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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 2-9-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: He's the Shan O'Connell Show, brought to you by Big
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  Speaker 1: Willies on Utah's number one sports talk at home of
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  Speaker 1: b ESPN seven and ninety two one AM, a proud
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  Speaker 1: part of Utah's ESPN Radio Network. Happen Monday, Everybody, Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to the Shan O'Connell Show on ESPN seven ninety two
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  Speaker 1: one FM.
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  Speaker 2: Very happy to be here, very happy to be back
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  Speaker 2: on the Sean O'Connell Show. James Peterson was holding it
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  Speaker 2: down with Porter Larson on a Thursday. Bryson Biaucci filled
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  Speaker 2: in on a Friday, and now we're back. After some
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  Speaker 2: pfl action in Dubai. The Olympics have started. Super Bowl
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  Speaker 2: Sunday was yesterday. Obviously we'll be talking about.
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  Speaker 3: All of that.
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  Speaker 4: I mean curling, curling semi finals, that might as well
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  Speaker 4: be Super Bowl Monday.
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  Speaker 3: Over here in the prod room.
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  Speaker 2: For our for our curling insider, there's nothing bigger than this,
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  Speaker 2: and that of course is James Peterson. James, I mean
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  Speaker 2: Team USA mounting a comeback here.
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  Speaker 3: What's going on?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been an exciting one. The brooms are moving swiftly.
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  Speaker 4: Is that what they say? Is that the correct vernacular.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: Are you sure James are working overtime? Absolutely?
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  Speaker 4: It was four to two going into the fourth end,
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  Speaker 4: which you know, that's the that's a pretty good lead
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  Speaker 4: for the Italians. Also home nation, so they got the
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  Speaker 4: crowd behind him. That's obviously a big factor in curling.
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  Speaker 3: And then.
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  Speaker 4: Say this is mixed doubles, by the way, they haven't.
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  Speaker 4: That's still the uh the curling that the division of curling,
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  Speaker 4: if you will, that's going on. USA gets three points
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  Speaker 4: in that fourth end to take a five to four lead,
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  Speaker 4: and they're they're looking good so far in the fifth end.
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  Speaker 2: I've always said you need your fourth and your fifth
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  Speaker 2: end to be your strongest ends.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you know we we here in college
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  Speaker 4: football all the time. The middle eight, right, Yeah, that
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  Speaker 4: the fourth and fifth ends are the middle eight of
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  Speaker 4: mixed doubles Olympics curling. Okay, specifically mixed doubles Olympics curling.
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  Speaker 4: When do you get another competitions it's a little different,
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  Speaker 4: but mixed doubles Olympics curling, fourth and fifth are the
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  Speaker 4: big ones.
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  Speaker 3: That's I'm glad you're filling us in.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely. By the way, I have an exciting update. A
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  Speaker 4: couple of updates from the airing of grievances on Friday.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so our.
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  Speaker 4: Guy Alec, remember Alec, he called in about guys taking
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  Speaker 4: obnoxious business calls in the sauna. Yes, he reported back
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  Speaker 4: to A on Friday and he said, I'm so bummed
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  Speaker 4: that OC is not that I can't tell this doc,
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  Speaker 4: but I'm like, it's okay. Just Phil, Bryce and Jordan
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  Speaker 4: in on the situation and give us the update.
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  Speaker 5: He did what you asked.
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  Speaker 4: He confronted the guy, the same guy earbuds in taking
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  Speaker 4: an obnoxious business call. He said, Hey, this is not
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  Speaker 4: the place for that. Can you take that outside? And
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  Speaker 4: he said and he looked at him lots of anger
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  Speaker 4: in his face and said something like are you serious?
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  Speaker 4: And Alex said yeah, and the guy stared at him
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  Speaker 4: for a second no words.
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  Speaker 5: Got up and left.
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  Speaker 3: So yaw.
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  Speaker 4: Yaw, well done. So that's the first one. The second
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  Speaker 4: one is for me personally. Mister piggyback guy texted an
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  Speaker 4: apology back during a previous on Friday that he'd never
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  Speaker 4: used the term circle back or piggyback before because he works,
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  Speaker 4: he's he called himself a heart boot collar simpleton and
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  Speaker 4: he just wanted to try out one of those terms
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  Speaker 4: and he said I I used it completely incorrectly, so
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  Speaker 4: grievance against me, Jess.
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  Speaker 5: I feel I felt very vindicated.
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  Speaker 4: Now, of course I updated Spence during cross talk and
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  Speaker 4: he still kept the bit going, but that's okay. I
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  Speaker 4: still feel very vindicated. Incredible, incredible stuff. It was a
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  Speaker 4: banner airing of grievances, you miss man.
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  Speaker 2: So we might be finding out that the show's just
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  Speaker 2: better off when I've gone a bearing of grievances.
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  Speaker 3: I don't. I don't like that, okay.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, Alec would have called no matter what he so,
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  Speaker 4: and he wanted you there, so you should feel good
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  Speaker 4: about that least like I started this with Oc, I
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  Speaker 4: wanted to finish it with him.
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  Speaker 5: But it's still it's still landed greatly.
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  Speaker 3: I'm proud.
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  Speaker 2: I'm proud that we have influenced real life SnO for
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  Speaker 2: one of our listeners to the point where they now
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  Speaker 2: hopefully have business call free sauna sessions.
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  Speaker 6: I had.
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  Speaker 2: I had a situation like that on the airplane back
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  Speaker 2: from Dubai yesterday. The lady next to me was she
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  Speaker 2: was probably about my mom's age. I think didn't realize
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  Speaker 2: that her headphones were not connected to her phone. It
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  Speaker 2: was just doom scrolling, so you would get like some
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  Speaker 2: audio disjointed audio right, like piece of stand up comedy,
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  Speaker 2: I'm super loud for twelve seconds, and then obviously she
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  Speaker 2: scrolls again and somebody's home video for twelve seconds, scrolls again,
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  Speaker 2: animal attack for twelve seconds, whatever, And I had to
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  Speaker 2: be like, hey, I could hear that, I can hear that,
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  Speaker 2: I can hear that.
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  Speaker 3: We can all hear that, So all right, I'm glad.
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  Speaker 2: As long as you do it respectfully, firmly but respectfully.
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  Speaker 3: It is.
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  Speaker 2: Almost always, with very rare exception, almost always the right
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  Speaker 2: thing to do to confront someone who's committing a social faux.
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  Speaker 3: Pas in your situation.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that's a that's a lot less threatening for
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  Speaker 4: the one in your shoes because she just probably didn't
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  Speaker 4: didn't realize. It seemed like you just didn't know, and
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  Speaker 4: so she's she's gonna be like, oh my gosh, I'm
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  Speaker 4: so sorry. Let me turn that down. Well, Alex got
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  Speaker 4: the stink guy from from this guy, but it was
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  Speaker 4: almost like a biblical rebuke where the guy just walks away.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he knew he was in the wrong, so that's
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  Speaker 2: what he was That's why he gave That's why he
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  Speaker 2: gave you the death stare, because nobody likes being like
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  Speaker 2: having him pointed out that they're in the wrong. But
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  Speaker 2: if he felt that he wasn't, he would have just
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  Speaker 2: been like, sorry, dude, and stayed there and done his thing.
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  Speaker 5: He knew he was in the wrong, all right, What
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  Speaker 5: about to make a billion dollars? So in your face?
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  Speaker 3: What a great start to the show.
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  Speaker 2: Wasn't a great super Bowl eight seven seven three five
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  Speaker 2: three zero seven hundred twenty nine thirteen Seattle With an
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  Speaker 2: incredible defensive performance. Super Bowl MVP Award goes to Kenneth Walker,
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  Speaker 2: the third uh. He had the highest total since Terrell
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  Speaker 2: Davis in a Super Bowl game twenty seven carries one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and thirty five yards, which that's a nice round
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  Speaker 2: five yards per carry average.
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  Speaker 3: He did not score any touchdowns, although.
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  Speaker 4: He had one called back when he scored that touchdown.
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  Speaker 4: I was I was saying that watching the game. I
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  Speaker 4: was telling I was of My wife watched. It was
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  Speaker 4: just us watching the game. We didn't do that. I
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  Speaker 4: convinced her, Hey, like we put the bet, we put
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  Speaker 4: the boy to bed in the middle of the game.
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  Speaker 4: Let's just let's stay home. If people want to come over,
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  Speaker 4: they can. But it ended up just being us, which
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  Speaker 4: was great. And I was telling her, I think he's
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  Speaker 4: gonna be MVP. He's the only thing on their offense
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  Speaker 4: that's been working, but he hasn't scored yet. And then boom,
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  Speaker 4: he gets that that would be touchdown run but ends
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  Speaker 4: up getting called back. I'm like, Okay, well that clinch shit. Anyway,
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  Speaker 4: he got it anyway, he.
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  Speaker 2: Got it anyway, And honestly, that was a lack of
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  Speaker 2: imagination for me on the on the part of the
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  Speaker 2: determiners of Super Bowl MVP.
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  Speaker 5: The MVP.
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  Speaker 3: The voters messed this one up.
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  Speaker 2: The MVP of the Super Bowl was the Seahawks pass
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  Speaker 2: rush was the Seahawks defense was the Seahawks everything except offense.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it was a really incredible defensive performance, which
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  Speaker 2: is what you expected. And I think it was Jason
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  Speaker 2: Garrett in the pregame who said, look, you just got
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  Speaker 2: to keep it on the fairway. If you're Sam Darnold
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  Speaker 2: in this offense, you just keep it on the fairway
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  Speaker 2: and they're gonna win this game. And that's exactly what
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  Speaker 2: the Seattle offense did. And Kenneth Walker was a huge
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  Speaker 2: part of that, right, controlling the offense, controlling the clock,
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  Speaker 2: controlling the possession. Sam Darnold nineteen of thirty eight two
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  Speaker 2: hundred and two yards and one touchdown.
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  Speaker 3: He was sacked a single time.
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  Speaker 2: Drake May twenty seven to forty three for two hundred
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  Speaker 2: and ninety five yards, but he threw the two interceptions.
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  Speaker 2: He had a couple of touchdowns. He was sacked six
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  Speaker 2: times in.
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  Speaker 4: The game in that one of those interceptions might as
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  Speaker 4: well have been a sack fumble, so they really it
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  Speaker 4: looked like he really had like eight sacks. He got
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  Speaker 4: sacked eight times. It just the guy caught it out
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  Speaker 4: of the air. I've live. I thought it was scoop
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  Speaker 4: and score. And then they showed the replay this. I
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  Speaker 4: think the second angle they showed him like, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 4: that's pick six.
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  Speaker 3: That's a pick six. Here's the thing they need to start.
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  Speaker 2: If you're gonna do the Super Bowl MVP, they need
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  Speaker 2: to do a Super Bowl LVP least valuable pay.
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  Speaker 3: And that was the Patriots offensive line. I know.
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  Speaker 2: It was part of the reason why there was so
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  Speaker 2: much confidence that Seattle was going to win this game.
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  Speaker 2: It felt a little anti Clyde Mactick in the run up,
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  Speaker 2: because so many people were just like, yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 2: this is this is the Seahawks game to lose. There
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  Speaker 2: are people out there, and I'm willing to hear if
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  Speaker 2: you want to make the case Broncos fans, there are
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  Speaker 2: plenty of people out there saying that, like man, Broncos
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  Speaker 2: would have been a better Super Bowl matchup for the
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  Speaker 2: Seattle Seahawks. We decided, i think collectively, as a show
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  Speaker 2: that the NFC Championship Game was our de facto super Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: That was whoever won that was going to go on
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  Speaker 2: to win it. And when you localize it right, when
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  Speaker 2: you try to make this relevant to the life of
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  Speaker 2: a Utah sports fan, what Seattle just pulled off is
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  Speaker 2: something that Utah football fans have been hoping to see,
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  Speaker 2: wanting to see, waiting to see for a couple of decades.
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  Speaker 2: Now with a program is built on defensive excellence and
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  Speaker 2: offensive adequacy. Now, of course you're getting this regime change.
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  Speaker 2: Morgan scally wants to be more cutting edge, wants to
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  Speaker 2: be more explosive offensively. But if you continue to butter
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  Speaker 2: your bread on the defensive side of the ball, and
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  Speaker 2: you continue to bolster your front four, specifically in your
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  Speaker 2: front seven, the way that the dark side defense performed
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  Speaker 2: in this game, and the defense as a whole for
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  Speaker 2: Seattle performed in this game. Sam Donald one of these
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  Speaker 2: great redemption stories in the NFL. He's not really the
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  Speaker 2: story here. I mean, don't get me wrong. I'm happy
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  Speaker 2: for Sam Donald. I'm glad we have that talking point.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad that there are plenty of people out there
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  Speaker 2: who get to look at his career trajectory and say,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, don't give up, never give up, keep striving.
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  Speaker 2: The first team's not the right fit for you. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: the second team will. Okay, second team's not the right fit.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe it'll be the third team. Fourth teams or third
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  Speaker 2: team's not the right fit. Maybe it'll be the fourth team.
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  Speaker 2: And guess what, the fourth team was a great fit,
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  Speaker 2: but the fourth team didn't believe that, and the fourth
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  Speaker 2: team was like, all right, see you later, Okay, fine,
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  Speaker 2: the fifth team, maybe the fifth team. Like a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people lose confidence on attempt number two or three.
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  Speaker 2: There are very few people with the mental wherewithal, with
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  Speaker 2: the self belief, with the discipline in their preparation to
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  Speaker 2: continue on try number four, five, six, whatever. And let's
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  Speaker 2: be honest, the world doesn't often afford try number four,
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  Speaker 2: five or six before folks get written off. So everything
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  Speaker 2: sort of came together for Sam Donald. But and I
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  Speaker 2: have a lot of respect for what he's done. I
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  Speaker 2: have a lot of respect for the turnaround he's made
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  Speaker 2: in his career. But let's make no mistake, Sam Donald.
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  Speaker 2: If you put him on New England Patriots, Sam Darno
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  Speaker 2: might not even be in the Super Bowl and he's
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  Speaker 2: certainly not winning if he has to play against his
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  Speaker 2: own defense. This very much was Seattle's defense. And it
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  Speaker 2: pains me to say you have to now. I think
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  Speaker 2: I've been proposing that the San Francisco forty nine ers
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  Speaker 2: just go ahead and move that practice facility. Just move
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  Speaker 2: the practice field, no matter what, just to put everyone's
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  Speaker 2: mind at ease.
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  Speaker 3: You know what, I just want Levi Stadium to be imploded. Now.
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  Speaker 2: The Seattle Seahawks, your division rival, just won a Super
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  Speaker 2: Bowl championship in your home stadium before you have won
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  Speaker 2: a championship since moving into that stadium.
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  Speaker 3: You have to just get they.
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  Speaker 2: Were celebrating that was Seahawks champagne in your home locker room.
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  Speaker 4: Logusting blue and green confetti. You got imploding on your field,
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  Speaker 4: you gotta implode it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like you got the money. All right, it's fine.
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  Speaker 2: You can still call it Levi's Stadium. Just put it
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  Speaker 2: somewhere else, make it different.
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  Speaker 3: You can't.
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  Speaker 4: That's the Levi's Stadium in Oakland. They'll be the San
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  Speaker 4: Francisco forty nine.
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  Speaker 2: That would be the most backward poetic thing in the
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  Speaker 2: history of the NFL.
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  Speaker 4: Do they call them, they call citizens residents of Oakland
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  Speaker 4: and Oaklanders? Is that what they Yeah, Oaklanders would hate it.
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  Speaker 2: They'd probably they might be okay with it, just because
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  Speaker 2: they've got every every team back, every team has been
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  Speaker 2: stripped away from them.
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  Speaker 3: They'd probably be like, fine, will take them.
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  Speaker 4: You know what, you can be San Francisco still as
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  Speaker 4: long as they play here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just please please stop taking things away from us.
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  Speaker 3: So it was.
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  Speaker 2: It was not as entertaining of the game as we
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  Speaker 2: are accustomed to. The commercials were not as good as
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  Speaker 2: we are accustomed to. It was a very Super Bowl Sunday.
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  Speaker 4: There was that commercial about with the word meh all
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  Speaker 4: over it with your guy Christian meh caff reed, just
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  Speaker 4: got your belly Like that's what that encapsulated all of
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  Speaker 4: the commercials.
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  Speaker 2: There was the uh I think it was a Comcast commercial,
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  Speaker 2: the Jurassic Park one.
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  Speaker 3: I actually liked that. That was a great commercial.
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  Speaker 2: But they put that commercial out like a week before
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  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, even though it was their super Bowl commercial.
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  Speaker 3: They leaked it thinking that was No, that was a
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  Speaker 3: bad idea. Why did you do that.
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  Speaker 4: That was the first time I'd seen it, so I
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  Speaker 4: didn't know that. I the guy that they had is
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  Speaker 4: playing the Comcast guy was a little bit of a goober.
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  Speaker 6: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: But that's the point of the commercial, I guess, is
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  Speaker 4: to be like intense Samuel L. Jackson, hold on to
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  Speaker 4: your butts and and all the intensity of that moment
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  Speaker 4: in the original Jurassic Park and then have this like
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  Speaker 4: goober guy be like.
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  Speaker 3: Plug this in there.
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  Speaker 2: In that commercial and in the one, the Dunkin Donuts commercial.
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  Speaker 5: I enjoyed that one too.
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  Speaker 2: There's a disturbing element to the fact that you can
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  Speaker 2: now take your celebrities and youngify their faces. Yeah, you
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  Speaker 2: can use the AI or the whatever technology to scrub
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  Speaker 2: the age off people's faces, so it makes them look
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  Speaker 2: like at least a decent fact simile of their younger selves.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like it. It's very odd to me. I
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  Speaker 2: was not a big fan of that particular thing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't like. I didn't necessarily like the AI.
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  Speaker 4: Use of in both of those commercials, but those were
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  Speaker 4: probably the two best ones for me. Although Dan Patrick
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  Speaker 4: made a great point, why wasn't Matt Damon playing Matt
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  Speaker 4: Damon's character from Goodwill Hunting and Goodwill and Goodwill?
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  Speaker 5: Duncan you get idea?
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  Speaker 4: Like why did they have the others are of Goodwill
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  Speaker 4: Hunting play? Okay, Other than that, I thought it was
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  Speaker 4: and the AI disturbing AI thing, it was fine.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I They also had maybe the most The commercial that
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  Speaker 2: grabbed my attention the most, I'm ashamed to say, was
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  Speaker 2: the Coinbase commercial.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the wife and I sang along too, and I
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  Speaker 4: love we love the karaoke except we didn't. We didn't
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  Speaker 4: use the new words that they tried to put in
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  Speaker 4: for the marketing, saying the right words.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very odd. It was just a karaoke
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  Speaker 2: screen and then you're like, okay, what's this what's this
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  Speaker 2: gonna be?
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  Speaker 3: And it went on.
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  Speaker 2: I thought, you know, it went like ten fifteen seconds.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, now it's gonna drop. Right, that was weird,
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  Speaker 2: and then it goes like another ten to fifteen seconds. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: now it's gonna.
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  Speaker 4: Do and then they changed the words and you're like
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  Speaker 4: the way they say, we're so secure, yes, and like, okay,
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  Speaker 4: still don't know what it is, but okay, that's the
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  Speaker 4: first syndication that they're going to tell us soon.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
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  Speaker 2: It was a blase super Bowl day. And then of
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  Speaker 2: course the whole halftimes for some people fiasco was not
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  Speaker 2: a fiasco for me.
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  Speaker 3: I want to make it very very clear that.
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  Speaker 2: I could not care less about the super Bowl halftime show.
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  Speaker 2: I want the game, and I liked that the halftime
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  Speaker 2: show brings more people into it makes your non football
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  Speaker 2: fans a fan for a little while. And I will
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: fully acknowledge Bad Bunny lost on me.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: I've never listened to Bad Bunny songs.
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  Speaker 2: I mean accidentally, you're on purpose, not just because I
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  Speaker 2: don't speak Spanish.
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  Speaker 5: That's a big part of why you and I might
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: not listen.
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  Speaker 4: But but it's still yeah, not really, not really my
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: cup of tea either, even if it was in English.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: But like cool choreography, you know what I mean?
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Anytime you get people complaining about a concert at a
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: football game, you've lost the plot a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: It's a sideshow.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: And the fact that every single thing in our sports
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: world today has to be politicized aggressively made me that
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: was a repellent for me in terms of even my
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: interest in watching the halftime show. Not because I have
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: a problem with it being bad Bunny or I have
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: a problem with it being in Spanish. I have a
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: problem with it being a political pick a fight point
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: for everyone.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: That's not what this is supposed to be. It's not
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: what it's about.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I think that, you know, using using kid rock as
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: your counterpoint to the number one streaming artist in the
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: world is hilariously dumb.
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: But I couldn't use tay you Swift.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: So I I just I wanted it to be a
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: more interesting Super Bowl Sunday.
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  Speaker 3: I guess yeah, I did.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: I did enjoy the halftime show though, even even though
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: I don't speak Spanish, I thought it was I thought
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: he put on a good show.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: So and look, the whole point of it, Well that's
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: the point, right If there's if there's just anything such
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: thing as bad publicity, this ain't it. Yeah, because what
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: it is is it's a more than the game, more
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: than the fact that the Seattle Seahawks won again as
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: relatively unlikely heroes. If you go back to the expectations
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: in the start of this NFL football season, more than
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: all the stuff about the Patriots being back again, the
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Belichick and Craft omission from the Hall of Fame on
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: the first ball.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Their second ballot Hall of Fame dynasty.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Like, the conversation around this is now overshadowing that game,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: and I don't think that's ideal for the NFL. I
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: think I think if we got Roger Goodell and James
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: get him on the phone, I know you have his number.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: If we got Roger Goodell on the phone today, we're
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: just like, hey, was that super Bowl? And the reaction
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: to this super Bowl? Was it what the NFL needs, wants,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: et cetera. I think that he's probably like, well, no,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: because the game itself was far from the most compelling
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: thing on the day. And if the game is lackluster
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: and there's like some hilarious commercial that everyone now knows, oh,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: this is the super Bowl commercial.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: This is a super Bowl commercial.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: And by the way, the revenue for the Super Bowl
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: is still going to be massive, even though the game
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: was not great. It is a bulletproof league at this point,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: like nothing can take it down, nothing can hurt it.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Nothing, It's too big to fail.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: And that was just one of those days where you're like,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: as far as the holiday goes, that was the the
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: American sports holiday, that is the super Bowl. That was
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: the equivalent of getting out like a pair of socks
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: for Christmas kind of a deal. Yeah, or you just
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: you know, you wake up on Christmas morning, you're so excited, Oh,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: this is gonna be the greatest day of my life.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Wolf socks, will socks hag it? Well, they got the
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl logo on them, and for me ten times
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: worse because it's the Seahawks that won.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: At my Niners home stadium. Nightmare scenario.
• 22:35
  Speaker 7: For you.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I will say I will take some positives away from this.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Connor O'Toole super Bowl champion. He is one of the
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: great stories of persistence on a much, much, much less
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: famous scale than the Sam Darnold thing.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: Relevant to us here locally, not yet relevant, I'll say,
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: not yet relevant to anyone outside of Utah.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Quit yet well, and let's be honest, probably never going
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: to be hyper relevant. I'm holding out hope that that
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: he's gonna be like best pass rusher in the league someday.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Okay, the story's gonna be told.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: I will not hold my breath for that. Rashid Shaheed,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: we were stay, we were state. Great, great, great Glad
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: to see him get a ring. That's really really cool.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Incredible playoff run for him. Didn't have a huge impact,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: didn't really have an impact in the Super Bowl, but
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: he really gained a lot of fans and a lot
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: of national publicity for how he performed as a returner,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: especially in the playoffs. I mean, he won the game
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: against the Niners by himself then and then they just
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: and then they just threw a bunch of icing on
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: the cake after that. Actually Donald missed him long on
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: a pass that would have been That's true, would have
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: been like the biggest offensive player of the game if
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: you had not slightly overthrown one of the fastest guys
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: in the NFL. Come on, Darnold, I do it. Did
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: bake this question? When I saw you know, Rashid Shaheed
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: win one. I saw conra O'Toole, who now gets the
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: lord that overall of is Utah friends that maybe he
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: didn't have quite as illustrious a career because of all
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: the injuries in college as those guys had. He's now
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: the guy with the Super Bowl ring when he comes
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: back to the team reunions eight seven seven three five
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• 24:28
  Speaker 3: I put it out on Twitter yesterday.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna reiterate it on the show today eight seven
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: seven three five three zero seven hundred on the text
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  Speaker 2: line the Utah player that you most want to see
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: win a Super Bowl before it's all said and done.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: For a long time, everyone's answer to this one was
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Eric Weddle, and he got one. And before that, most
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: people's answer would have been Steve Smith probably, and you
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: could have picked it like any of the most popular guys,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: any of the most beloved guys. Jordan Gross's name might
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: have come out of certain people, right. The Utah football player,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: the former Utah football player that is now in the
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: NFL plying his trade that you most want to see
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: win a Super Bowl ring eight seven seven three five
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: three zero seven hundred are at REALOC Sports And the
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: responses that I got yesterday. Garrett Poles is way up there,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: and a reason I think a big reason why he's
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: up there for people right now is because it feels probable,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: it feels feasible, and of Broncos fans too, there's a
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: ton of Broncos fans, and also like he's really made
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: something of himself as a person, as a leader, as
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: an example in the NFL in a way that would
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: just it'd be nice to see him get that cherry
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: on top, that crowning achievement. Look, Garrett Poles is just
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: fine even if he never wins one. He has changed
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: his family's future. He has made it so his kids
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: are taken care of forever and ever. He has achieved
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: all those goals that every dad has and every athlete has.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: He's been a pro for a long time. He's played
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: himself out of the bust conversation a long time ago.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: He's pro Bowl or all pro type stuff. But once
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: you've checked those boxes we talked about this last week,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: the thing that you want is you want a Super Bowl.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Garrett Bowles is kind of the primary answer I've gotten
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: so far from a lot of people. Devin Lloyd is
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: up there for some Dalton Kincaid, Cole Bishop. That just
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: sounds like it comes from a Bills fan.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: Well, that's that's another one that has felt probable too,
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: like even more probable than than Garrett Bowles until this season.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: So that's you got to think that that's that's part
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: of that.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: By the way, I saw I need if you're listening
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: out there, sir or ma'am.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: I was dropping my daughter off at preschool this morning.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: She goes to preschool at the University of Utah, Okay,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: And I'm driving back, I'm on, you know, driving past
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: the Huntsman Cancer Institute, and there's a there's a FOD
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: truck in front of me that has a custom paint
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: job on the tailgate of the truck. All right, and
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: I just need to know what this is all about,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: It is a Bills. It is the back You're looking
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: at the back of Josh Allen. You think it's Josh Allen.
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: Right, it's it's like Josh Allen's jersey is seventeen on
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: a figure it says Alan, Okay, but then you're like,
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: what is That's not like hair and skin coming out
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: of what is that?
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: It's blue fur coming out of the jersey. So it's
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: like a it's like.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: A blue Sasquatch or a blue Wookie or something like that,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: wearing a Josh Allen jersey. And then there's off to
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: the right it says elusive. Elusive. I mean he can
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: be very elusive. Full custom paint job on the back
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: of your car, I mean extremely well executed, airbrush detailed.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's a decal, who knows, but very very high quality.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: Well done.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: I'm like, that is an oddly specific sort of deal.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: And if you're out there listening, I need to know.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Call in now eight seven seven three five three zero
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  Speaker 2: seven hundred. Explain for me. Did I miss something? Is
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen sometimes equated with being like a yetti of
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: some sort. I didn't get it at all, And this
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: person gets it so much that they're like, I'm putting
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: this on my car for people to see every single day.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: Josh edi odd very strange. I have not heard that either. Yeah,
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: call us, textus this story behind that. Please wow.
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  Speaker 2: We welcome Ari Tempk in to the show on a
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  Speaker 3: All Right, Tempkin, welcome, how are you?
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: I'm great, brother, How are.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: You doing okay?
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: How was your Super Bowl Sunday? Give me a breakdown
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: of how it went?
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: Pretty good? You know. So I'm I'm getting an opportunity
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: now to do some hosting on the Westwood one Sports Network,
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: which is a you know, partnership between Cumulus and Odyssey.
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: And so I was on Saturday Night, which was great,
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: and I mean I was really really laying into the
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: I think the Seahawks win big narrative and like you know,
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: normally i'd fade the public. Seventy percent of public money
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: came out on the Seahawks minus the points. So that
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: tells you go, you know, go to New England. You
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: know close, go New England plus the points. But it
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: just felt like the NFC this year was far ahead
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: of the AFC. Like I could probably give you two, three, four,
• 31:59
  Speaker 7: five teams in the NFC that I think would have
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: beaten the Patriots. And you know, they even looked worse
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: than I even expected them to look. Drake may looked
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: really bad. And look, a lot of that does have
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: to do with Seattle's defense. Seattle's defense just is that good.
• 32:15
  Speaker 7: And I don't know, it feels like in some ways
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: there's a takeaway here similar to college football in that like, no,
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: I know, Mendez is the Heisman Trophy wonner and he
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: was really good, So maybe it's not an apples to apples,
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: but like just one through fifty three, Seahawks were really
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: freaking good. They had no holes. And you know, you
• 32:32
  Speaker 7: don't have to have this elite quarterback. You don't have
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: to have you know, I mean even in this case
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: Jack Smith and Jig but who is an elite receiver?
• 32:39
  Speaker 7: Like he was basically a note didn't even matter. He
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: was a non factor in the game and it didn't
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: even matter because their defense was so dominant, and it
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: wasn't just one individual performance on defense. It was a
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: collective performance, you know, whether it's to Marcus Lawrence or
• 32:53
  Speaker 7: you know, in Janirie. So I just think, you know,
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: it was I expected to blow we got to blow out.
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: I didn't expect New England to look that bad, but yeah,
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: Drake may looked that bad.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Is this you know, we talk about it in college football,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: what Indiana did, like, oh, if Indiana can do it,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: why can't we do it in the NFL?
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: You know, the Seahawks have won.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: They haven't won I guess all that recently, but they
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: have won, and they've been a respectable franchise for a
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: long time, and so they don't have that same kind
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: of welf. They can do it, anyone can. But I
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: think the points you just made are well made. That
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: they didn't win because they had the best player on
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: the field, the best individual player on the field in
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: any given scenario or any given position. Necessarily, it was
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: not a star driven performance in the NFL very much.
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: Is the NBA is even more so?
• 33:51
  Speaker 7: So?
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Is there anything informative for gms and coaches and other
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: franchises in how they got this done that might be copycatted.
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: Well, yeah, And it's sort of funny because you know,
• 34:03
  Speaker 7: there was a point in time, O see where offensive
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: football was ahead of defensive football, and you know that
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: the elite offenses were going to be beating the elite defenses.
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: But somewhere along the way within this last decade, defenses
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: have caught up. And so while we still see programs
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: at the collegiate level and at the NFL level that
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: are still searching for like the most brilliant offensive minds
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: when it comes to hiring a coach, here's Mike McDonald like, Hello,
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: did you not see what I just did? Because I
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: put together an elite defense without any like again elite, Like,
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: there's elite players, Don't get me wrong. There's a bunch
• 34:44
  Speaker 7: of elite players, but there's nobody. There's no like Aaron Donald.
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: There's just no individual player where you're like, that's an
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: all time great player. And so I think you know,
• 34:53
  Speaker 7: a lot of times the trends, like you know, people
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: the reason they're they go under because it's like, right
• 35:01
  Speaker 7: now it's a market and efficiency, like going for offensive
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: minded coaches right now is a market efficiency going for
• 35:07
  Speaker 7: a defensive minded coach is more of a market inefficiency.
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: So in bringing it full circle here, you know, Michigan
• 35:13
  Speaker 7: did something and you rarely see, which is they're hiring
• 35:16
  Speaker 7: a new coach. They go and hire a defensive minded
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: coach with Kyle Whittingham. And of course we already knew
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: that Utah was hiring a defensive minded coach because they
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: had their defensive coordinator is the head coach and waiting. So,
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: you know, I think that we definitely hit a stretch
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: probably within the last decade where offenses were better than defenses,
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: and elite offense we're going to beat elite defense, and
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: I think it's gone the other way now. I think
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: it's one hundred and eighty degrees. I think that's a
• 35:37
  Speaker 7: good example of how elite defenses have caught up, you know,
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: and whether it was the three three five with John
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: Haycock and Iowa State, the rush three drop eight, or
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: just a combination of getting more versatile players. You know,
• 35:50
  Speaker 7: Imanuare for Seattle is a good example of that as
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: a rookie, probably should have been Rookie of the Year,
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: but he's kind of a non traditional safety who plays
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: you know, he's box safety, He's not a coverage safety.
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: He's more of a hybrid linebacker, you know, can also
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: play and cover. So I think, you know, it shows
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: that right now defenses are more multiple, they've got more
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: versatile players. It confuses what offense they're doing. And there's
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: a reason why right now we're seeing an elite defense
• 36:15
  Speaker 7: be at the top of the food chain of the
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: National Football League.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Ari tim Kin is our guest here on the Sean
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: O'Connell Show, talking all things in sports. Coming off the
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl obviously now means we turn the page. With
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: college football being done, NFL football being done, we turned
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: the page, I guess to draft preparation in that world.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: But college basketball gets this brief, you know, six eight
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: ten week period where they they're kind of the best
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: show in town until NHL and NBA playoffs start, and
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: college basketball in the Big twelve has been very fascinating
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: this year. We got a big matchup tonight Arizona Kansas
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: one versus nine.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Let's start there as we get into some hoops.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Arizona has been at the top of the rankings basically
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: all year long, and they're undefeated, so obviously it's for
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: good reason that they're number one in the country. Does
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Kansas have anything that can knock them off that pedestal?
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean, look, if Arizona doesn't
• 37:17
  Speaker 7: go down tonight, they're going to go down soon. I
• 37:20
  Speaker 7: just don't see a way in which Arizona hits this
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: stretch unscathed. And you know, this kind of worked out
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: perfectly for the Big Twelve. First of all, the Big
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: Mondays have just been phenomenal, and not just tonight, but
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: last last Monday night than a Monday night before that,
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: and then moving forward you see the matchups, it's like
• 37:37
  Speaker 7: really good for the Big Twelve, and just the timing
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: of it where you had such a clunker last night
• 37:43
  Speaker 7: with the game, and you know, do I think we're
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: going to see a Super Bowl time audience? Of course not.
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: But you know when when random Joe sports fan turns
• 37:50
  Speaker 7: on the TV and sees the like, oh, Arizona Kansas
• 37:52
  Speaker 7: are playing tonight, those are two obviously household names of
• 37:54
  Speaker 7: the sport, Like I think this will be a this
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: will do a really really big number tonight. There's crazy
• 38:01
  Speaker 7: statistical historical contexts involved in this game, like so Kansas
• 38:05
  Speaker 7: is OH to five all time at Allen Field House
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: against the ap number one overall team, but it hasn't
• 38:11
  Speaker 7: happened since two thousand and three, and the last time
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: it happened was Arizona in two thousand and three came
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: into Allen field House and beat the Jayhawks as the
• 38:20
  Speaker 7: number one team of the nation. Now Kansas and three
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: ended up getting them back in the Elite eight, I
• 38:25
  Speaker 7: believe of the INSTABA tournament and a tournament in which
• 38:27
  Speaker 7: Kansas loses eventually two Syracuse. But that's interesting. I mean,
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: it's they're row and five all time. Only once it's
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: happened since eighty nine, and that was in two thousand
• 38:36
  Speaker 7: and three, and it was Arizona. Kansas under Bill self
• 38:39
  Speaker 7: is thirty eight and oh all time at home on
• 38:42
  Speaker 7: Big Monday, So something's got to give there. And then
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: you know, look Kansas under bill self in top ten
• 38:51
  Speaker 7: matchups games featuring two top ten teams when Kansas is
• 38:55
  Speaker 7: the lower team in that top ten matchup, Bill self
• 38:59
  Speaker 7: is thirty and two all time at home in those games.
• 39:02
  Speaker 7: So just some really interesting mind boggling stats associated with it. Look,
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: Arizona and Kansas, I think do play similar styles. They're
• 39:10
  Speaker 7: both for top ten teams in the country, not high
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: volume three point shooting teams. They're both physical. I actually
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: thought I think Utah was, you know, probably the worst
• 39:19
  Speaker 7: team in the Big Twelve this year. They did a
• 39:21
  Speaker 7: really good job at outfield House on Saturday and in
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: matching the physicality of Kansas for about you know, three
• 39:27
  Speaker 7: quarters of that game up until the final stretch where
• 39:31
  Speaker 7: Kansas really exerted itself. But Kansas is a physical team.
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: I think the rebounding number in this game is crucial,
• 39:37
  Speaker 7: Like whoever look at the box square after the game,
• 39:39
  Speaker 7: whoever leads in rebounding. If there's an overwhelming, you know,
• 39:42
  Speaker 7: margin there, that team will definitely win. And even if
• 39:45
  Speaker 7: it's like two or three, I think, like, look at
• 39:47
  Speaker 7: the rebounding team, look at the better rebound team, that's
• 39:49
  Speaker 7: probably the team that's gonna win. But if even you know,
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: that's gonna come down to who executes better on offense.
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: And Arizona just has so much depth. I think that's
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: what people miss about them is like they've got two
• 39:59
  Speaker 7: really good pink guards and Bradley who's experienced in Berrie's
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: who's the true freshman, and they play inside out. They
• 40:07
  Speaker 7: just make you work every possession. So this is gonna
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: be a really good heavyweight fight today at Allenfield House.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: You mentioned at the very beginning of that, Well, yeah,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: if Arizona doesn't go down tonight, it's going to be
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: sometime soon. Is that just because something's got a break?
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Are you starting to see the wheels shake and rattle
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: a bit on that Arizona squad?
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: No, it's more to do with who they're playing, you know.
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: This is when you look ahead to what they have. Yeah,
• 40:33
  Speaker 7: I mean it's a really tough stretch and this is
• 40:36
  Speaker 7: the toughestrets, like when you look at what they've done
• 40:38
  Speaker 7: so far in conference to play and I think a
• 40:40
  Speaker 7: lot of this is by design to where the Big
• 40:42
  Speaker 7: Twelve really wanted to put the majority of its best
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: matchups sort of post super Bowl in order to try
• 40:49
  Speaker 7: to garner as much of an audience as they possibly can. So,
• 40:52
  Speaker 7: I mean it's not just Arizona, Iowa State, Kansas, All
• 40:56
  Speaker 7: the top teams of the Big Twelve right now are
• 40:57
  Speaker 7: about to hit stretches where they're going to play really
• 41:00
  Speaker 7: good teams. You know, And like Kansas plays Arizona still
• 41:04
  Speaker 7: has to play Houston twice, they still have to play
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: another They have another really tough matchup. Off the top
• 41:13
  Speaker 7: of my head, I can't remember, but in terms of
• 41:15
  Speaker 7: like the top Arizona, Kansas, Iowa State, Texas Tech, BYU
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: and Houston, all those teams are going to be playing
• 41:23
  Speaker 7: against each other a lot, and you know, and quite
• 41:26
  Speaker 7: frankly by us in the middle of it right now,
• 41:27
  Speaker 7: and they're they're feeling it.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: I wanted to get to that here in a second
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: before we do. Are you as high on Darren Peterson
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: as everyone else is?
• 41:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah? Yeah, see, I mean it's been a weird experience,
• 41:42
  Speaker 7: you know, as both an analyst and as a KU
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: alum to watch this happen because you know, I mean,
• 41:48
  Speaker 7: they they dressed this up under the guise of, you know,
• 41:53
  Speaker 7: as he's missing time and games and not playing maximum
• 41:56
  Speaker 7: number of minutes and sitting and forth, you know, and
• 41:59
  Speaker 7: at the end of games, the second half of games,
• 42:01
  Speaker 7: where these games are in doubt. As you're watching this,
• 42:03
  Speaker 7: you're like, man, he's sandbagging, like this is he's taken rest.
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: This is not you know, the cramping issue that they've
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: talked about all year or you know, it was this
• 42:13
  Speaker 7: quad or it was a hamstring, like it was just
• 42:15
  Speaker 7: this malady of things over the course of the season.
• 42:18
  Speaker 7: You're like, man Stull got paid three and a half
• 42:20
  Speaker 7: million dollars to come here and basically play as much
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: as he wants, which is not as much as he
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: needs to play for the team. And I mean he
• 42:27
  Speaker 7: played thirty four minutes on Saturday. He's become his story
• 42:31
  Speaker 7: of your rest has become more of a footnote. And
• 42:35
  Speaker 7: I think you know, you could look in hindsight and say, like, well,
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: we always expected it to be like this, Like he's
• 42:40
  Speaker 7: going to play more at the end of the season,
• 42:42
  Speaker 7: so it's to not take on so much wear and
• 42:44
  Speaker 7: tear over the course of the beginning of the season.
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: But we didn't know that that was truly going to
• 42:47
  Speaker 7: be the case, and it still remains to be seen
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: if it will, Like is he going to play thirty
• 42:51
  Speaker 7: four to thirty five thirty six minutes time or were
• 42:53
  Speaker 7: going to see him sitting at the end because you know,
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: of cramps or whatever else. So I mean, I think
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: if you sit back to the for a moment, I mean,
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: the dude is unbelievable. He's electric while he's on the floor.
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: There's a reason why there's so much emotion tied to
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: him playing because he makes Kansas say legitimate national championship contender,
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: and without him, they're not. And so, I mean, he's
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: so smooth on offense. He has a killer instinct that
• 43:18
  Speaker 7: you just love to see in the game. That reminds
• 43:20
  Speaker 7: and I think this is where the Kobe Bryant cops
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: come from, which is obviously unfair to the kid. But
• 43:24
  Speaker 7: like in Lubbock last Monday night, you know, they're they're
• 43:29
  Speaker 7: they're screaming exploit as him as as he's a Valla
• 43:31
  Speaker 7: line calling him, you know, calling him names, and he
• 43:34
  Speaker 7: goes and hits a three to tie the game and
• 43:35
  Speaker 7: a three to send the game, you know, the three
• 43:37
  Speaker 7: to win the game. So he just has that killer
• 43:39
  Speaker 7: instinct where like any slight motivational tact to kill us,
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: he's he's a silent killer. There just aren't many holes
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: in his game. And look, I think you Tu did
• 43:49
  Speaker 7: a good job defensively on him. He played thirty four
• 43:50
  Speaker 7: minutes and scored fourteen points. He's probably his worst offense
• 43:53
  Speaker 7: showing of the game of the season. He also seems
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: to play up and play down in a way, like
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: you know he in the biggest moments. He's at his
• 44:00
  Speaker 7: best against the best teams that he's had his best
• 44:02
  Speaker 7: you know when when they played BYU and it was
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: him Debatsa like he shows up in a big way
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: and in some ways he probably felt like the sleepwalk
• 44:09
  Speaker 7: that Kansas was doing with Utah.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: All right, Tampkin for a couple more minutes here on
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: the Sean O'Connell show talking to College Hoop. Now, you
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: mentioned BYU, and there's a couple of things to get
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: to with BYU. But the performance on the floor right now,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: this is maybe the most expensive roster west of the
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Mississippi or one of This is a very, very a
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: team with a ton of expectations because they got the
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: number one player at high school and aj Debonsa who's
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: obviously a projected lottery pick, and they have a massive
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: amount of talent in that starting lineup. It does not
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: appear to be the depth that they thought they would
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: get or hope they would get out of some of
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: the guys that are riding the bench right now. And
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: it's just it doesn't feel like this is a team
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: that's going to hit another gear once we get to
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: turn them in time. But I wanted your assessment on
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: what is going on with BYU.
• 45:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and kind of as a side note, it does
• 45:08
  Speaker 7: sort of feel like the Jazz early positioning themselves to
• 45:12
  Speaker 7: get Dabansa, and with kind of his history in the state,
• 45:15
  Speaker 7: wouldn't that be really interesting? So to your point, as
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: a lottery pick, I could see him being the second
• 45:20
  Speaker 7: overall pick to Utah, which is really weird because a
• 45:23
  Speaker 7: lot of things have to happen for that to happen.
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: And yet sometimes it feels like the NBA is that obvious?
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of like Cooper Flag to the MAVs, you
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: know what I mean?
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly like the dude who played prep ball at Utah,
• 45:36
  Speaker 7: college ball at Utah. The Jazz or sitting guys the
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: fourth quarter of games or to get there, Like there's
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: a little nudge nudge, wink wink thing going on there, which,
• 45:43
  Speaker 7: by the way, it would be amazing and I hope
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: for it because we need the Jazz be good again.
• 45:47
  Speaker 7: But I digress. So look a couple of things here.
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: Number one, like, is this a speed bump on an
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: otherwise you know, successful season, Yeah, to a degree, but
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: is this and I think the game against Houston tell
• 46:03
  Speaker 7: you kind of big picture what this team ceiling is. Yeah.
• 46:06
  Speaker 7: I also think that's true too, meaning like they're a
• 46:10
  Speaker 7: finesse offensive basketball team, like they get off the bus.
• 46:13
  Speaker 7: Kevin Young style is offense and finesse, and they get
• 46:17
  Speaker 7: really good players, and Kevin Young is brilliant and they're
• 46:21
  Speaker 7: great at devising the right sets and offensive game plans.
• 46:25
  Speaker 7: And but Houston's the opposite. Houston is a we're going
• 46:28
  Speaker 7: to defend you and play physically for forty minutes like
• 46:31
  Speaker 7: you they get off the bus and they're physical with you.
• 46:34
  Speaker 7: And this game was tied at fifty four with under
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: ten to play, and it was as if Houston was like, Okay,
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: it's time and they just out physical them. And like
• 46:43
  Speaker 7: we've seen this before. They don't have enough of Kaba
• 46:47
  Speaker 7: Kata's on their team. They need more of those guys.
• 46:50
  Speaker 7: They need more rim protectors, shop walkers, rebounders, guys that
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: are willing to mix it up a little bit. They
• 46:57
  Speaker 7: just Houston has a team of them, and even you know,
• 47:00
  Speaker 7: even has five star freshmen doing that, and and Byu
• 47:04
  Speaker 7: does not. And you know, they can win a game
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: or two in the tournament playing the style they play with,
• 47:09
  Speaker 7: I don't think they can win a national championship or
• 47:11
  Speaker 7: probably even get to a Final four unless they have
• 47:13
  Speaker 7: a little bit more of that Houston in them. And
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: that's again, I think it's just so obvious in watching
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: these games, you know that like they're going to be
• 47:21
  Speaker 7: out physical, Like they're gonna get out physical by the
• 47:23
  Speaker 7: physical teams in this conference. And this is a physical
• 47:26
  Speaker 7: conference that has physical teams, by the way, You're going
• 47:28
  Speaker 7: to see that in the tournament eventually, even if even
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: if it isn't right away. So I think after the season,
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: Kevin Young has to has to take a long, hard
• 47:36
  Speaker 7: look in the mirror and say, we need we need
• 47:38
  Speaker 7: more physical players, we need more Kiba Katas on this
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: team because we're going to keep losing these types of
• 47:43
  Speaker 7: games to these types of physical teams because we don't
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: have them physicality to match.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Another headline about BYU is of course related to offensive
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: chance coming from opposing fans and the Big Twelve is
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: gonna fine. I think the number was fifty thousand for
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma State. Now this is such a it's very much
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: a Utah thing. I don't know how much of the
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: nation cares, but it's a it's a big deal. Here
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: is the Big Twelve doing enough to deter fifty grand
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: doesn't feel like more than a slap on the wrist.
• 48:19
  Speaker 7: It's a great question, oh see. I mean it's it's
• 48:22
  Speaker 7: really disheartening, you know from my vantage point, you know,
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: because number one, like how is that acceptable? You know,
• 48:31
  Speaker 7: how could we allow any religion to be thrown at
• 48:34
  Speaker 7: the end of that expletive? But then, like, I mean,
• 48:38
  Speaker 7: we're getting like the obvious humanity piece for a second,
• 48:41
  Speaker 7: Like BYU is a fan base, Like they band together
• 48:45
  Speaker 7: and raised money for Big twelve schools for no reason
• 48:49
  Speaker 7: other than like just being good people doing good things.
• 48:52
  Speaker 7: I mean, there was a story during the season before
• 48:54
  Speaker 7: BYU and Texas Tech played football where the Texas Tech
• 48:59
  Speaker 7: team barber his wife got in a really bad car
• 49:01
  Speaker 7: accident and you know, was on life support basically, and
• 49:05
  Speaker 7: they needed money to help. And here come BYU fans,
• 49:09
  Speaker 7: like a group of them are raised hundreds of thousands
• 49:11
  Speaker 7: of dollars for Texas Tech employee basically, you know, so,
• 49:17
  Speaker 7: like they didn't have to do that just and by
• 49:19
  Speaker 7: the way, we know that that's not the first time
• 49:21
  Speaker 7: that something like that's been done before. So it's like, man, like,
• 49:25
  Speaker 7: we should not allow that to be said about anybody
• 49:28
  Speaker 7: in any capacity with that victriol in terms of you know,
• 49:32
  Speaker 7: a specific religion or a specific group of people. But
• 49:34
  Speaker 7: then also like, these are also great people who have
• 49:36
  Speaker 7: raised money for our universities and for our schools and
• 49:38
  Speaker 7: for our people at these schools for no reason other
• 49:40
  Speaker 7: than like to be good people. So I just wish
• 49:44
  Speaker 7: that would resonate more with fans, especially student sections as
• 49:47
  Speaker 7: you go to these games, you know, and yeah, you know,
• 49:50
  Speaker 7: it's a good question I see on whether or not
• 49:52
  Speaker 7: the league is doing enough. It feels like the league's
• 49:54
  Speaker 7: doing something, which like maybe we shouldn't award them for
• 49:58
  Speaker 7: doing some some action, but it feels like that's something's
• 50:01
  Speaker 7: better than nothing. And I feel like historically that's been
• 50:04
  Speaker 7: the case.
• 50:05
  Speaker 8: But we'll see.
• 50:06
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think, yeah, if if, if, it doesn't change.
• 50:09
  Speaker 7: And I know BYU fans hear this, they're like, yeah,
• 50:11
  Speaker 7: we've heard this for years, right, It's like the old
• 50:13
  Speaker 7: like there's a fine or a you know, a public
• 50:15
  Speaker 7: raprimand and then you know they apologize say the same thing.
• 50:18
  Speaker 7: It doesn't it doesn't reflect our values, YadA, YadA, YadA.
• 50:21
  Speaker 7: Like I know, I know BYU fans have heard this before,
• 50:23
  Speaker 7: so yous kind of feel like if this just keeps happening,
• 50:26
  Speaker 7: then you do probably have to go a little bit
• 50:28
  Speaker 7: deeper and figure out how to stop it from happening.
• 50:30
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think it's not their own possibility to say, like,
• 50:32
  Speaker 7: if you're in the student section, you've got to have
• 50:34
  Speaker 7: you know, extra security over there. And if something like
• 50:36
  Speaker 7: this does start of a chant like that does start,
• 50:39
  Speaker 7: you start kicking people out and take it away their
• 50:40
  Speaker 7: ability to come back to games, because you know, yeah,
• 50:44
  Speaker 7: it's really disheartening to continue to hear it in the
• 50:46
  Speaker 7: Big Twelve, but especially given you know, again all the
• 50:49
  Speaker 7: b YU and BYU fans have done for other teams
• 50:51
  Speaker 7: within the Big Twelve.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: Well said, we'll leave it at that.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Appreciate your time and your expertise as always, enjoy the week,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Enjoy tonight, I'll say, I'll say, go Jayhawks. There's no
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: reason not to on on this air, on these airwaves,
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: so on behalf of Ori.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: I'll say it.
• 51:11
  Speaker 7: Appreciate Josee take her brother. You will enjoy the game tonight.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Great stuff for Mario Timpkin. As always, Hot lunch is
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: coming next, a real hot lunch.
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• 51:53
  Speaker 2: brought to you by a friends over at Big Willies.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: Patrick and Michelle Aer here once again. They have brought
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: me what looks like a delicious lunch. Uh Patrick, tell
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: me what's in front of me right now.
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: So today we have bacon cheeseburger sliders on a delicious
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: buttery brioche bun and a side of jualapeno poppers made
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: in house, bacon, cream, cheese, cheddar, fresh alipanios. It's like
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: Russian roulette. Su are hot, summer mild. You just never
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: know what you're gonna get.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: It's they're awesome, which is kind of have the fun
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: with jalapenos. Are you gonna be sweating and coffin or
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: are you just gonna enjoy that well, you're gonna enjoy
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: it either way.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: Man, these things I gotta hold it up for the camera.
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: I mean you can even fat kit it out and
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: put them on your burger and eat it all at
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: one time.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: Sounds like something I do. Sometimes sounds like something too.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: No judge zone.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Speaking of fact, kid, Patrick Michelle knows me so well.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: There they are no fries in this meal, but they
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: brought me some fries sauce anyway, because they know that's
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: how I roll.
• 53:04
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 2: On a Monday eight seven seven three five three zero
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  Speaker 2: seven hundred.
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  Speaker 3: Give me your favorite Olympic moment so far.
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  Speaker 2: I could tell you my least favorite, and I think
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people are going to share this sentiment.
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  Speaker 2: Really really unfortunate, tragic. In fact, Lindsey Vaughn, who was
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: one of the inspirational stories of winter sports in these
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: last couple of years, battling her way back from multiple injuries,
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: multiple surgeries to be once again a world class, world
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: championship level competitor, ends up tearing her acl what ten
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  Speaker 2: days ago now right before the Games.
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  Speaker 3: Are gonna start, and.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of us, myself included, we're talking about like, oh, well,
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: that's really Unfortunate's that's too bad.
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  Speaker 3: That's a.
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  Speaker 2: It's a big bummer that she's not going to be
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: able to compete in what will surely be her final Olympics,
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  Speaker 2: because when you're in your early forties and you have
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: to wait another four years before you compete again, it
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: doesn't bode well for sustainability and all will get them
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  Speaker 2: next time sort of bit mentality. And so I was
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  Speaker 2: ready to say, oh, that's what a great career. She
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  Speaker 2: doesn't get to ride off into the sunset necessarily, but
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  Speaker 2: wish you're all the best.
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  Speaker 3: And then.
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  Speaker 2: We get the news that Lindsay Vaughn's going to give
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  Speaker 2: it a go, despite the torn acl on her left knee,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: She's going to give it a go. Unfortunately, that dream,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: that inspirational Disney movie story came to a literal crashing
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: halt thirteen seconds in to a run that.
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  Speaker 3: To a broken leg.
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  Speaker 2: And I've never been a huge fan of the fact
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  Speaker 2: that you get the delayed Olympic broadcast, the primetime kind
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  Speaker 2: of highlights. I'd never been a big fan of that
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: until this was the best version of that. This was
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: the best outcome possible with that, because she's screaming.
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  Speaker 3: In pain.
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  Speaker 2: And the cloud of powdery snow goes away. You can
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: see that she's laying there very awkwardly on the slope,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: waiting for people to come ten to her and suffering
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: and disappointed and all that stuff. And the primetime replay
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  Speaker 2: spared pretty much all of us that right. If you
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: were watching the stream, and if you were able to
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: catch the fullness of the replay, then you saw, like,
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  Speaker 2: that's the hard thing to watch in the sports world.
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  Speaker 2: And I've never I've told you this many times. I've
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: never been, never been squeamish about watching injuries happen. So
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  Speaker 2: it's not even the fact that like, oh dang, look
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: at that legs bent at an awkward angle, or oh man,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: the thing's flopping around hanging on by a thread.
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  Speaker 3: It's not that. It's the fact that you've got this.
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  Speaker 2: Person who have put all the eggs into this basket
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  Speaker 2: for probably most of their adult life, and has battled
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: back to a place where they're now, for one last time,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: on one leg, going to give it a go, and unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: thirteen seconds in it it ends in tragedy. And the pain,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: the physical pain and the emotional pain and the dejection
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: of it is a hard thing to watch. If you're
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: actually seeing it unedited, and maybe that's why some people
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: like sports, right, the unvarnished truth of sport. That was
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: a hard one. That was a rough one. So obviously
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: all the best to Lindsay Vaughn. And thankfully she's so marketable,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: she's going to be doing television. She's obviously got a
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: ton of like sponsorship deals and stuff. This is not
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: something that is going to make her insolvent in life necessarily,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: and like it's going to be hard for her to
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  Speaker 2: get by. It just means that we've probably seen the
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: end of her career and it came to an end
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  Speaker 2: that none of us wanted it to be. And here's
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: the other takeaway for me from this. The sacrifice made
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: in things like what we call non revenue sports and
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: in Olympic sports, the sacrifice made for a thankless profession. Ultimately,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: it is your profession, right And the idea that you
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: have to just prepare train push for three years in anonymity,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: three and a half years in anonymity, three years, three
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: point nine years in anonymity before everyone actually tunes in
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: and cares and jumps on your bandwagon requires a different
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: level of stick to itiveness and I think a different
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: level of passion for the sport. I mean, we could
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: talk to any athlete we wanted to professional, high level,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: and they're gonna tell you, I love my sport more
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  Speaker 2: than most people love their sport. I love my sports
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  Speaker 2: so much. I love my sport. It is my life.
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  Speaker 2: I make all these sacrifices. I'm away from my friends,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: I'm away from my family while other people are out
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: clubing and doing their thing when they were twenty one
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: years old.
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  Speaker 3: I was in the gym.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever, shooting baskets or lifting or running sprints or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: I could tell you this because I felt that way
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: when I was fighting, Like no, I'm I'm doing things
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  Speaker 2: that other people aren't willing to do.
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  Speaker 3: And to some extent that is true.
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  Speaker 2: But I was doing it in a sport that was
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, it's not the NBA, and it's not
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  Speaker 2: pro football.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: It's not the most popular thing.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: But as far as what my athletic abilities were going
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: to allow me to achieve, it was as notable of
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: a sport and as like front facing as somebody like
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: me was going to be able to get the idea
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: that you're going to commit. I don't know, four years
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: to Bob Sledding. So that you can have a two
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: week period where people might learn your name means that
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: you care about that sport, probably a lot more than
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: most than the average NFL player cares about his sport,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: because your trade off is a lot more significant with
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: less reward, maybe more significant, equally significant, but with less
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: obvious reward to it, certainly less financial reward. If the
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: currency of attention and notoriety and whatever else, even like
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: recognize success mean things to you, as I think they
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: do to every athlete.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: It's just wild.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: And we're gonna watch Olympic hockey, and we're gonna talk
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: Olympic hockey with Tom Callahan and we're gonna love it.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: And it's I don't want to take anything away from that.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: Olympic hockey players, most of them are professionals, either in
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: the NHL or around the world when they're not playing
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: for their Olympic teams. Right, so there is a reward
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: process for their efforts on a dang near daily basis.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: Will get I mean, Andy Phillips is gonna join us
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: probably sometime this week. We're gonna get some Olympians on
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: as they filter back from Milan.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: Courtina will do our.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: Best to grab some metalists, like we did with the
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: Summer Olympics. But I am blown away by the idea
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: that I'm watching ice dancing right now, that these people
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: put in hours upon hours upon hours upon hours upon
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: days of training, and there's a nutritional element to it.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: There's a fitness away from the ice element to it.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: Also that maybe for this two week period in a
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: random February every four years, you can achieve a little
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: bit of fame, maybe a medal on a podium, maybe
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: a thank you from the president of your country, an
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: invitation to your equivalent of the White House, whatever, Only
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: for then for most of them to get a check
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: that says thank you and we'll see you again in
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: four years. That is a passion that I think it's
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: hard for most of us to relate to, at least
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: from an athletics standpoint. If you're someone out there who's
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: just like no man, I played piano every day because
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: I love piano, maybe you understand this better than I do,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: or maybe you empathize with this in a way that
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: I can't. I guess I'm a little ashamed, only a little,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: but a little ashamed to say that, like if I
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: had to do it for four years without anyone caring
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: that I did it. I'm not sure I would have
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: been involved in sports and put as much time and
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: effort into sports. I mean, football became a thing for
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: me because my career didn't work out the way I
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: wanted it to, where it really only mattered to me.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: I was not going to be running, you know, scoring
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: touchdowns on TV like I thought I would be someday,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: and so it's just pointing and proving that point to myself.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: But that was like the culmination of.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: A normal career, a normal trajectory for a young person's career.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: These folks, there is no there's no normalcy to what
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: they do. Because of that, we might have to acknowledge
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: that Olympians Olympic athletes, and pick your sport. You don't
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: have to love all the sports, but Olympians might be
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: the most dedicated, passionate athletes on the planet. And the
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: famous people whose jerseys you wear and posters are on
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: your wall are probably not quite as dedicated to their
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: thing as these people are to theirs, Which is a
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: strange thing to say, because my whole show is talking
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: about those other people most of.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: The time, not this, it's wild. And when it comes to.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: When it comes to certain events, you're talking about a
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: couple of minutes at the most, well, you train, you
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: train all and you you perform and you compete in
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: other preliminary events leading in the lead up to the
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: Olympics to qualify for for the Olympics for a couple
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: of minutes of a performance and then judges, you know,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: if you do well, the judges reward you. If not,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: see in four years or maybe maybe you're old enough
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: where that's the only shot you get at it or
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: the last the last shot you get it doing that.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: It's uh, it's quite the difference between Olympic sports and
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: the sports, like you said, the football and basketball that
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: we we talk about all the time, hockey now that
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 4: you know, basketball and hockey are Olympic sports, but like
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: you said, particularly the ends hockey and basketball, they've got there,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: They've they've got the NBA Championship, they've got the Stanley Cup,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: which is bigger, which is a bigger deal than an
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: Olympic gold medal to chase every year. This ice dancing
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: we're watching right now on USA. This is this is it.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: This is the Stanley Cup. This is the NBA Championship.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: They only can do it every four years.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: And you bring up an important point, and part of
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: what brought me here is the fact that you know,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: for Lindsay Von, Lindsay Von had to be dialed in
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: for ninety seconds, right, thirteen seconds into that thing, hits
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: the gate too close. Looked like her arm went through
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: the gate, trained search trajectory. She lands awkwardly, and it
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: ends her career potentially a mistake. Thirteen seconds in to
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: a ninety second run. Is it easier to be doing
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: that than having to be dialed in and on for
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: an entire sixty minute football game or for an entire
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: ninety minute whatever like soccer game. I don't know, because
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: I've always thought that the less time you have to perform,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: your margin for air shrinks down so aggressively in that world,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: like I miss PBR because it was here this weekend.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: Bull Riders have eight seconds, right, I'll tell you something.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: You can have eight bad seconds in a football game
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: and the worst thing that happens is someone scores a
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: touchdown on you. All right now, you have another sixty
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: minutes still to make up for all that.
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  Speaker 3: You got.
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  Speaker 2: Teammates, even if you screw up in those eight seconds,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: maybe your teammate bails you out right that eight seconds
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: when you boil it down.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: That's insane to have.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: To be performing at that level, even if it's only
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: for eight seconds, but your margin for error gone in
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: the Olympics, even the bull riders, right, you screw up
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: for that eight seconds, Cad Mattson, Sorry you got bucked off.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: Hopefully you didn't get hurt. We'll see you next weekend
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: in Boise, Idaho. These people have to wait four years.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: They've got one minute. These ice dancing routines are probably
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: what two and a half minutes long. It's like the
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: length of a song. You have to be at or
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: near perfect during that time. In the Summer Olympics, your
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: floor routine, your gymnastics.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: Your vaults. A vault takes what four seconds?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, vault is like the quickest, maybe the quickest event
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 5: in all of the Olympics.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: And you get a couple of them.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: If you don't, if you if those eight seconds for
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: an Olympic gymnasts are not dang near perfect, that might
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: be it.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: I tried to make this point with people in the
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: MMA world, in the combat sports world, right like you
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: can have. NBA basketball is obviously incredibly challenging, and you
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: have to be a freak alien to even compete at
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: that level whatever, and you have to have put in
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: a massive amount of work to get to that level
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: in the first place.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: But you can have.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: If you're playing for the Utah Jazz right now, you
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: could have like a couple hours consecutively of bad basketball, and.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: Your career is not over.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: In the world of combat sports, if you have thirty
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: bad seconds, that might be enough to end your career.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, you have fifteen seconds in one fight that
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: goes terrible, you get knocked out, you lose that one.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: You get five seconds going terribly in the next fight,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: you lose that fight beca because of those bad five seconds.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: Then the next fight you have another bad ten seconds,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: and now you've lost three in a row, and now
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: your career could be over because you've lost three in
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: our At least your career at the highest level could
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: be over. Right, your margin for error is absent, is gone.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: But even in that world, all right, well, I'll go
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: back down the ladder. I'll fight next month, I'll fight
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: in six months, I fight in five months, four years.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: These people that we just finished watching ice dance.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: Right, If you fall twice in your routine, you're not
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: on the podium, and four years from now you can
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: hopefully make up for it. That is a dedication and
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: a focus and a passion for sport that even someone
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: is passionate about sport and passionate about their sports as
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: I feel like I am, I have a hard time
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: relating to it. If you told me, hey, I know
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: you just lost a fight. Four years from now, I'm
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: gonna give you a chance. You can even fight that
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: same person again. Four years from now, you can fight
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: that same person again and try to redeem yourself. Do
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: you want to stay training every day for the rest
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: of those four years? I think my answer probably would
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: be no. No, I need to move on with my life.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: I need to do something more productive. I need to
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: do something that makes sense for me.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 5: That was the French. The French pair that just went
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 5: in the ice stands.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: Lawren's fond and GigE almost cuz, of course, most people
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: know they've only been together for one year, so if
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: they can make anything happen.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 5: Now, I probably would be the same.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: Mostly, I'd probably be like, you know what, I gave
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 4: it a good shot that the idea of having to
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: do that all over again, I don't want to do that.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: Like if I go to Lowry Markenen today and I say, Lowry,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: if you lose this game, you're out. And four years
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: from now, I'm gonna give you an opportunity to do
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: it again at this level, at the NBA level. But
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: until then, you're gonna have to go play basketball in
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: Finland with like your church ball team.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: Now that's unfair because there's some's.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: Some leagues succussionably in fan you can go play professionally
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: in Finland, but you got it four years. You gotta
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: put four years in and then I'll let you come
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: back and you can play against the Dallas Mavericks again.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: All Right, you're gonna stay dialed in. He'll be like, wait,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: do I get my NBA salary? Absolutely not, of course not.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: You will get one one hundredth of that salary. So
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: it's just enough to make you feel like it might
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: be worth it, but definitely not enough to keep your
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: family ahead, to keep your spouse ahead, to keep your
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: parents like.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: It's not what it is right now.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: There are no there are no guaranteed salaries in this
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: in this universe. We just made up on the spot,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: all right, Like unless you stay in the NBA and
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 4: then then it's guaranteed. But but I'm not that's not
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: an option for you. I'm not litt to stay in
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: the NBA.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: Well guess what even if you win the championship, true,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: you just four more years. If you win the championship,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: all right, you take down the Larry O'Brian trophy. I'm
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: taking it away from you. I'm taking the opportunity away
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: from you for four more years, and you can come
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: back and try and win it.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: In four years. You can be the defending champion for
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: in four years.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: Wait, okay, so I got I got the trophy though,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: so that means I get to keep my salary.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: No, you don't.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: Now you have a bunch of endorsement deals, so things
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: are a little bit.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: Better for you. But sure they pay fine in Finland.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: But to compete at this precise level, this exact level,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: you have four years, like, hey, Drake May, I'm gonna
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: give you the runners up trophy. Here's your your silver medal.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: I'll see you in four years. Are these guys doing
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: it at the level? Are they going to continue to
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: do or do we get turnover in a way that
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: makes these leagues unrecognizable?
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: Probably, And you got to think about we see we
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: see players age out all the time, or competitors age
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: out all the time in the Olympics where it's like,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: oh my gosh, two straight Olympics they were the star guy,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: but it's four years in between, so they're like forty
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: five now, so you're not gonna get them.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 5: You're not gonna get them in another Olympics.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine if you're you Saint Bolton, you're the
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: fastest man on the planet for like twenty years, how
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: annoying it is that you'll only get four medals out
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: of it. They're just like, dude, sorry, we don't have
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: like we don't have the Olympics every year. You be,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: but I'm the fastest man on the planet every year,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: not every four years. Every year, every year I am
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: still as fast. Like, well, we'll see you in four
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: years and you can prove it again. It's wild man,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: and that's Wychael Phelps. He has an incredible amount of
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: medals already. And there's a lot of swimming events.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: Yes, so you get you get four or five, you
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: had eight in one year, right, But Michael Phelps is like,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 4: I can't win like five medals every year?
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 5: Are you kidding me? Like, I have to wait for
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 5: you wild wait for it.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: It's such an incredible sacrifice.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: And we're talking about, by the way, just for the
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: people that are at the top, the folks that aren't
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: winning medals at all, the folks that are.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: Just like you're there.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: You get your participation trophy, you get to represent your country.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: That makes sense to do one time for me, Like,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: I will put in one Olympic cycle worth it. If
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: I get to go represent team USA and I just
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: get to call myself an Olympian. I'll be on your
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: rugby team. I'll go box, I'll wrestle, do whatever. I'll
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: put in the three years of training necessary. But if
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: I'm not medaling, if there's no carrot, if there's no
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: pot of gold medals at the end of the tunnel.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: See my mixing and metaphors here, Yeah, I'm just like,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: all right, man, that was cool, see you later. What
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: if you get fourth by just like a fraction of
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: whatever the time or the points or whatever, and.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 5: You would definitely you'd definitely be like, I'm I have
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 5: to do it again.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: Let's go, dude, I would be like, Nope, that's all
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: I got. Really, there's no chance I'm training it for
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: another four years in this thankless tear like.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: Olympic wrestling, to me is the most.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: Insane thing in the world because the best ones, the
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: best dudes, they're like some of the baddest men on
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: the planet. Like they are savages, right, even in the
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: best case scenario. Name who name any gold medal winner
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: in wrestling? James is Dan Gable? Is that his name?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: Iowa?
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: No, no, not not not the old ones, not all
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: like the guys who won in the last Olympics.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and yeah, I can't tell you can you imagine
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 5: Ben care anyway?
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: It's wild, all right?
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  Speaker 2: the public practice February twenty first, so that's a Saturday.
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  Speaker 3: They're gonna host.
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  Speaker 2: A bunch of other community programs opportunities, opening celebration activities
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  Speaker 2: that weekend and on Friday, Saturday Sunday.
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  Speaker 4: There's the press release is pretty expansive on this. Oh see,
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  Speaker 4: they're they're going to have you're gonna have chances to
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  Speaker 4: play your like league hockey games there, so like recreational
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  Speaker 4: type league hockey games, club type things. It doesn't say youth,
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  Speaker 4: it says it says league league games practices, like if
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  Speaker 4: you're just a weekend it sounds like if you're a
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  Speaker 4: weekend warrior playing on one of these one of these
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  Speaker 3: That's dope, which is pretty cool.
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  Speaker 5: Obviously, there's gonna be some kind of app I'm sure
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  Speaker 5: there's gonna be some kind of sign up process to
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  Speaker 5: get that done. But there's things like that and this, uh,
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  Speaker 5: the kickoff party for that. It's going to go on
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  Speaker 5: and you know, in perpetuity after the weekend of the
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  Speaker 5: twenty second So that's pretty sweet.
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  Speaker 2: If you're the person who plays in that that Beer
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  Speaker 2: League pick up hockey type situation and you're you know,
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  Speaker 2: twenty three years old, twenty five years old, and you're
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  Speaker 2: just like, I swear I was good enough to play
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  Speaker 2: in the NHL. I just picked up the sport too
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  Speaker 2: late to you know what I believe in. You go
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: play in one of these games. Maybe coach bear Bill Armstrong.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe Cals is back from the Olympics. He's rubbing
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: some bleary eyed sleep out of his eyes.
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  Speaker 3: He said, huh, who is that? That could be you.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: Maybe there's a James Peterson out there who's just never
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: had his athletic potential all the way unlocked, and you're
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: gonna make a mammoth squad eventually. Absolutely, let's go man
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: and at first, all take so I'll take their they're
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: gonna have ice skating lessons, they have skating lessons. I'll
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: take one of those classes first, and then I will
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: dominate at the ice Center in front of all the
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: power brokers, and if Bill Armstrong and company at the
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: Utah Mammoth front office, and then I'm gonna get myself
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: an NHL contract. I love it all right, Team USA Switzerland.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: By the way, women's hockey being played right now. If
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: you're wanting to watch the Olympics, one shot on goal
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: already for Team USA. Twenty one seconds into this thing.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: Puck just dropped it already. Your US women are attacking.
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  Speaker 5: Shout out to Hillary Knight, the star of the of
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  Speaker 5: Team USA from not too far from here up in Idaho.
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  Speaker 3: Are we claiming Idaho? And why not? All right? Northern Utah.
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  Speaker 3: We're not down in Saint George right there.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if the Idaho people are going to
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  Speaker 4: allow that the region she's from the region, all right.
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  Speaker 3: Breezy Johnson.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, we saw Breezy Johnson in the same
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: race that Lindsay Vaughn broke her leg. Breezy Johnson won
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: gold and became the first American to win gold at
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: these Games. And she happens to be a Salt Lake
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: City resident. So maybe we'll get Breezy Johnson on the
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  Speaker 2: air when she comes back from uh Cortina dm peis
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  Speaker 2: all that's don't bet so, that's what That's what they.
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  Speaker 4: Keep calling it on TV. Yeah, I watched. I didn't
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  Speaker 4: see it. I didn't see it live early in the
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  Speaker 4: morning here, but I did. I did watch the prime
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  Speaker 4: time at in at Moan or whatever prime time in
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  Speaker 4: Milan NBC coverage and they started out with the announcer
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: was like, it's they call it the Queen of the
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  Speaker 4: Dolomites Courtina Italy Cortina. Don't bet so so I might
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  Speaker 4: Queen of the Dolomites is what I'm gonna call it
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  Speaker 4: right now on.
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  Speaker 2: I like that. Okay, now this begs the question for me.
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  Speaker 2: Mike Turrico is one of my favorite guys in all
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: of sports broadcasting. His versatility, his polish, his professionalism, just
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: something to aspire to.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely love the guy.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: But is NBC, I think we get a little bit
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: greedy that Mike Toco was not only calling the Super
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: Bowl but then hosted Olympic Primetime live from the field
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: at lev You can't have you can't give, like some
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: understudy broadcaster the opportunity to actually do it. You're gonna
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: make Mike to Rico after immediately after calling a Super
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: Bowl and wrapping up the closing set cemonies of the
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl, so to speak. He's standing on the grass
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: at Levi Stadium going through highlights from the day of
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: the Olympic ends.
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  Speaker 5: He ends a Super Bowl postgame with the beginning of
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  Speaker 5: primetime in Milan. He tossed to himself it was amazing,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 5: which we know that he's capable of this.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: My my thing is like, all right, we know Mike
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: can do this, we know he's the best in the business.
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  Speaker 2: He's flying to Italy today, so he's gonna be doing
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: Olympics primetime from Italy instead of from Levi Stadium in
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: Santa Clara, California.
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  Speaker 3: You're telling me that there's not like one person on
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: the crew.
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  Speaker 2: That's already in Italy that you could have just been like,
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: all right, on the first Sunday of the games, we're
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: gonna have you do it because Mike Tarico is going
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: to be calling the Super Bowl pretty busy.
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  Speaker 4: Here's my thought, is good. My first reaction is is, well,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 4: it's not. NBC Sports has become very powerful and in
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: recent in the last year, they've become even more powerful
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 4: because they've had the NBA they hadn't had that for
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 4: a long time, right, But they still don't have the
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 4: vast network of broadcasters that like ESPN always has, the
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: Sports sure has had. So that's a that's probably a
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 4: reason why there and because Mike wants to continue to
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: do that.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's that that might be why.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 4: But also as I as I was about to say that,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: well you were finishing your thought, I was about to
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: just be like, that's that's probably the reason why they've
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 4: got one Noah Eagle that they could have flown out
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: to Italy who has nothing to do with has nothing
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 4: to do with the Super Bowl coverage. That they could
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 4: have been like, hey, man, uh, you're awesome. We need
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 4: someone to we need someone at the caliber of Mike Tarico.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 4: We believe you are you are that you're rising star,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 4: but we believe you're there already to uh host our
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 4: Olympics coverage. Well until Mike can get out there, Like
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 4: that could have been something the.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but I just don't think that anybody needs
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: to do the Super Bowl the grand Dad like it is.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: The super Bowl is exactly that. It is the super
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: Bowl of broadcasting.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 5: If you are allowed to be on a Queen of
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 5: NBC sports coverage, if you will.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: It is the It is the crowning achievement of being
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: a sports broadcaster in America at least, and then the
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: Olympics are a very close second to be associated with
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: that at all.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: And they're just like, uh, you're gonna do both, Like what.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: No, Let let somebody else take one turn, not even
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: replace him for the games, just one turn at it.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, just just you take the opening weekend because
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 4: Mike's Mike's gonna be busy. He's busy in Santa Clara
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: getting ready for the big game. And then he calls
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 4: the big game.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: I get it.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: NBC wanted to bring out the big guns, and they
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: wanted it to be perfect, wild, wild programming decision to
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: be like Mike, Okay, here, you're gonna throw it to
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: yourself and then you're gonna be on the field where
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: they're gonna be tearing down the podium behind you.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: There's gonna be like a bunch of random.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: Workers just like disassembling the podium, and you're gonna be
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: going through Olympic highlights for Olympic primetime. Oh and by
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: the way, make sure you have the exact correct tone
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: and tenor to reporting on Lindsey vonn in a tragic
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: leg break that probably ends her career.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: Make sure you do that.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 4: It's wild man, minutes after you signed off so amped
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: and excited for for the football audience.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's wild. I I also.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 4: The other the other thought that was going through my
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: mind as I'm watching Olympics coverage Olympics replay, is really
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 4: what it was.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 5: After the game?
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: Is that?
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 5: Like Mike, that wasn't all Mike did?
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 4: He just I thought, Okay, well he's just introducing it
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: and then they're gonna they're gonna show us all the clips.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 4: Maybe they have someone else go through the rest of it,
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 4: someone who's who's in Italy.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 5: Now, he he had to have.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 4: Watched enough of the coverage or in the early morning
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: of the day he's calling the Super Bowl and then
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: record his narration that he has to do for the
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 4: rest of that broadcast too, Like what a day? What
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: time that took for Mike tar Rico on the same
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: day he was calling the Super Bowl.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: Good for you, Mike.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out to Mike, but also leave something for
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: the rest of us, you know what I mean, Like
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: it's okay, Lindsay's ARNIAX on the crew.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 4: Just let her do it, Uh, Terry Gannon someone who's
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 4: Who's someone who's out there?
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 4: By the way, do you want to know what my
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 4: favorite moment of the broad cast was, so CO broadcasts.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 4: Drake May throws that terrible interception just right to I
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 4: can't remember the defender off the top of my head,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 4: but right to the Seahawks defender right and he he was.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 4: The rush wasn't even to him yet. He just decides
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: to throw it right to him thirty yards down the field.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: And then the replay gets shown and Chris collins Worth goes,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 4: I got nothing for you. That's how bad it was.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 4: That's how bad that that throw was by Drake May.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 4: That's how that's how much the Seahawks pass rush was
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 4: in his head, by the way, because he had time
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: to make the throw he needs to make and instead
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: he rushed it. And Chris collins Worth goes, ah, don't
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: I don't have anything for you?
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 5: That was bad?
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: One zero.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: Team USA just scored thirteen fifty six left in the
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: opening period, putting a lot of pressure on early here Switzerland.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: You can't be neutral this time, all right?
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: Team USA is total hold neck, a lot of holes
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: in that defense. Switzerland Swiss back to something semi serious.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 4: I actually really like this story quite a bit, James.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 4: I'm so you shaw this developing over the weekend. North
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 4: Dakota State, longtime FCS power, North Dakota State climbing the
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 4: ladder and they are. They're paying twelve million dollars to
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 4: play in the Mountain West Conference. They are joining the
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: mount West Conference as a football only member this season,
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 4: the Bison.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: That's right now.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: I'm fascinated to see this because I think that much
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: less with the University of Utah moving up into the
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: Pac twelve and BYU getting the Big twelve invite, and
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: we have plenty of examples of this. Now there's this
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: upward mobility possible, rare but possible in college football. There's
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: usually growing pains associated with it. It usually takes a
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: little bit of time. I think North Dakota State might
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: be in a weird way, a little immune to that.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 5: They might be ready to compete and win, you think.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: And I'll tell you why, because the rest of the
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: Mountain West Conference is now losing its best players to
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: Division one schools, which has been happening to North Dakota
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: North Dakota State, so they've had a longer runway on
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: learning how to deal with it. And also because they
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: are the only show in town, the fans of for
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: North Dakota State is actually better than the fan support
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: for pretty much every other school in the Mount West Conference.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: Now, I mean, I guess you have to give Boise its.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: Proper due, and Utah State when they're good, fans obviously
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: show up at Maverick Stadium. But North Dakota State you've
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: seen this right because they've produced some NFL quarterbacks and
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: some big time NFL talents, Like they are the biggest
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: show in town in North Dakota.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: That is the team, and with that comes resources.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: With that comes a certain place in the recruiting landscape
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: of your own home state and of the Upper Midwest
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: that gives you an advantage that other teams don't have.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: If Weaber State was trying to join the Mount West Conference, right,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, oh man, it's gonna take them like
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: ten years before they can win games for real, five
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: years before they can win games for real unless there's
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: a strange infusion of cash from somewhere. But North Dakota
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: State is like not blinking at paying exit fees and
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: entrance fees twelve million dollars that other schools in their world, right,
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: which is bec there's no way, no, we get what, No,
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: we can't do that. North Dakota State is like a
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: weird outlier here and they're a powerhouse. This is one
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: of the best programs, most consistent programs in college football
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: on any level. Will they have the horses to compete,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: probably yes. Will they have the fan support to continue
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: to try and keep up well, not with Power four
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: teams but with Mount West Conference.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: Teams like Utah State.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: I was told was paying two players last year, two
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: and that might be a bit of an exaggeration, but
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: I think what it was a true statement about was
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: that they were paying meaningful money, like big time money,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: to two players.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: Bryson Barnes was getting money to be the.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: Starting quarterback, like every quarterback in college football does now.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: And I was told like Larson because they didn't want
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: him to go anywhere else, got a little bit of love,
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: and then the well runs dry because you're a Mount
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: West Conference team and you are in Logan instead of
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: being in LA or whatever. Right, North Dakota State can
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: compete on that level of nil, not with what Utah's
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: doing and things like that, but this is a fascinating
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: development in college football, and the idea that North Dakota
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: State even wants this right now is just as interesting
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: to me because you can be the biggest fish in
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: the small pond, or one of the biggest fish in
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: the small pond, or you can look at yourself and say,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: you know what, we can be a big fish in
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: an even bigger pond here, and our pond is drying
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: up so aggressively that we got to get out of
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: it now. At least for as far as football goes,
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: the Mountain West Conference is as respected as any non
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: powerful league is, so it's the right one to jump
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: on with, even if geographically there's you know, maybe ones
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: that could make more sense for you.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe the American would have been less travel for them,
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 4: but the Americans also way more all over the place
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 4: geographically the Mountain West is, so maybe that was attractive
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 4: to them. It's like, yeah, we're the farther, we have
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 4: to travel the most, but at least we're staying in
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 4: the similar area.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: If we join the.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: Mountain well, I don't know this is going to be
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: really interesting because I could see it.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 3: I really could see it.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: Most teams when they're moving up, they're climbing up the ladder.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, all right, give them five years before
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: you really start to judge. I'm not gonna give them
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: that much time, could we?
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the Mountain West, and if if they're able to
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 4: pull this off, if they're able to have you know,
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 4: huge success like they've had at the FCS level, I
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 4: don't obviously that's not they're not gonna win national championships
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: like they did at the FCS level. But where they're
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 4: winning conference championships, they as long as the as long
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 4: as a group of five has a has access to
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 4: the playoff, they're making the College Football Playoff that kind
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 4: of big time success. They Boise State might finally have
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 4: a long term, year in and year out rival in
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 4: the Mountain in the Mountain West. Which I say that
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 4: with all due respect to the Aggies in San Diego State,
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 4: and so they and un l V recently who have
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 4: who have shown themselves to be, you know, with certain years,
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 4: have shown themselves to be able to compete with the
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 4: likes of Boise State.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 5: But it's not.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 4: Year in and year out there are there are gaps
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 4: of time when it's Boise State still winning the Mountain
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 4: West and the and there's no these other teams are
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 4: not competing. North Dakota State could be that team that's like, hey,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 4: hey boys, we're here.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean every year we're here.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: And so here's here's where it could go really bad
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: for North Dakota State, right because they get a lot
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: of these like Minnesota kids, these Dakota State kids. They
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: get kids out of Montana and Wyoming that are just overlooked.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: They're not being recruited because they play small high school football.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: They they're not a lot of the times. They're from
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: families that aren't gonna pay for you to be part
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: of the recruiting services and things like that. You're not
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: gonna get a ton of notoriety. They have, like Utah
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: has done for years and years and years, North Dakota
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: State has developed and they found these diamonds in the
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: rough and they've turned them into really good football players.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: And they've done it.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: With mostly for power for football, undersized offensive lineman. But
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: they've done it with like these big corn fed dudes
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: that are still like two ninety five.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: They're not three thirty five, but they're these big guys, right.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: The only way that I could see this being bad
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: for North Dakota State is that that relative anonymity for
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: some of the players is harder to maintain. It's already
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: getting hard to maintain, but it's harder to maintain if
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: you're playing on televisions in California because you're a Mountain
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: West Conference school now, right, And even though that's like
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: the tenth of ten the games that are on that
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: day that people are actually paying attention to, there's gonna
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: be coaches, and there's gonna be boosters, and there's gonna
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: be people out there and just be like, Hey, this
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: kid with the weird polish last name that I can't
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: pronounce that plays left tackle for North Dakota State.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: Man, we need him.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're gonna lose a lot more play and they're
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 4: accustomed to and we death correct ourselves a little bit.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 4: PAC twelve, the new PAC twelve is coming into effect
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 4: next season, so they won't be a rival the Boise
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 4: State in the Mountain Oh that's right, but there'll be
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: a cross conference group of five rival.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: How abut my gosh, have we complete more on I
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: totally forgot about the so Utah State as well.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 5: So it's UNLV's remaining. All the schools that don't have
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 5: state in their name, yes, are remaining from the Mountain
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 5: from the current Mountain West and Gonzag Well GONZAG is
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 5: doing as basketball only, so that doesn't affect North Kocha
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 5: State's football only. But yeah, so it's un lv's probably
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 5: the biggest program, at least biggest brand left after the
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 5: state schools leave for the new PAC twelve.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: They just signed a new six year media deal with CBS,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: Fox and the CW.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: So how that works out, we'll figure it out. We'll
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: find a way.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: Air Force, Hawaii, Nevada, New Mexico, San Jose State, UNLB, Wyoming,
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: utep NIU, and North Dakota State. Okay, so what I also,
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: what I said about the geography being a lot more
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: close to each other, Yeah, that doesn't apply either.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: You got Illinois and Hawaii.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: In there. Well, Illinois close to North Illinois, close to
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: North Dakota, but a lot more spread out than it
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: was before the new PAC twelve went and took half
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: the schools. A my apologies to everyone we know still
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: that works in that PAC twelve office totally forgot you
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: guys exist.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: That's my bad.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean they didn't. They haven't had a real
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 4: conference they were, they've had to wait.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: Three or four years. It's been a two team conference last.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 4: They really will get back into being a proper conference
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 4: next season. I hope they produce a playoff team in
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 4: the PAC twelve, so maybe sooner than later. North Dakota
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 4: State envisions themselves as part of the PAC twelve.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be interesting.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 4: Boise State, Utah State, let's get get in the playoff.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 4: And then Gonzaga is gonna be basketball only for the
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 4: Pac twelve, so you know they're gonna have a national
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 4: championship contender every year in basketball.
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  Speaker 2: The men's ice hockey tournament preliminaries start on Wednesday. First
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  Speaker 2: game will be Slovakia versus Finland. Obviously, Utah Mammoth have
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  Speaker 2: some interest in that Finnish team, Sweden versus Italy, Switzerland
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  Speaker 2: versus France, Chechia versus Canada, Germany, Denmark, and Latvia United States.
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  Speaker 3: That will be on Thursday.
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  Speaker 2: That is the first game that's gonna be one ten
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  Speaker 2: pm Mountain time as Team USA takes on Latvia. And
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  Speaker 2: of course a lot of the interest here for fans
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  Speaker 2: locally is the fact that Clayton Keller is getting the
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  Speaker 2: Olympic nod. He gets to be on this men's Olympic
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  Speaker 2: hockey team competing internationally for Team USA for the first
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  Speaker 2: time since the World Championships where he captained, and he
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  Speaker 2: was not on Team USA for the Four Nations last year.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people talked about how that might be
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of an injustice. Well hopefully gets correct
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  Speaker 2: with this Olympic cycle. Latvia your first opponent for Team
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  Speaker 2: USA in the men's World As I said, the women
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  Speaker 2: are playing right now against Switzerland. We're lucky enough to
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  Speaker 2: welcome once again to the show. Tom Callahan. He's he's
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  Speaker 2: doffing his Utah Mammoth insider for now to make himself
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  Speaker 2: a Team USA Olympic Hockey insider instead.
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  Speaker 3: Tom, how are you?
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  Speaker 6: I'm great? OC, Thanks for having me back. Man, I
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  Speaker 6: love the Olympics, and not just hockey. I just love
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  Speaker 6: the Winter Olympics.
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  Speaker 2: Outside of hockey, what's the what's the sport that catches
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  Speaker 2: your interest most?
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  Speaker 6: It is, well, curling is my one a but man,
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 6: there's something crazy about rocketing down an icy track at
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 6: eighty miles an hour that I love about Bob sled
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  Speaker 6: and luge and skeleton.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's It's such a weirdly specific but awesome event.
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  Speaker 2: I when every Olympics side winter and Summer, I always
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: look like, man, all of these things should be more popular.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: And then, of course, like everyone else, you know, three
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: weeks after the games are over, I don't think about
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: them again until the next Olympics rolls around. But I've
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: always been a big fan of Bob Slid, maybe going
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: back to the Cool run Ins movie release days.
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  Speaker 3: Who knows, Hey, that was a great movie.
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  Speaker 6: I watched that when I was younger too, and I
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  Speaker 6: absolutely loved it, so one hundred percent I can get
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  Speaker 6: on board with that.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: So Tmusa opens this Olympic tournament with Latvia. What do
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  Speaker 2: you need to see in this matchup?
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  Speaker 6: Well, for Team USA, I think they actually have a
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  Speaker 6: really nice group that should give them the opportunity to
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  Speaker 6: tune themselves up, get through and get sharp and get
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  Speaker 6: ready for the metal round. And really, for me, for
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 6: Team USA, it is about the metal rounds, and that's
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  Speaker 6: why the cool thing is here. You're going to see
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  Speaker 6: them play probably everybody at some point in the preliminaries,
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 6: and it is getting guys ready to go. And unfortunately
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 6: for Mammoth fans, it looks like Clayton Keller might be
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 6: a scratch for the first game depending on how lines
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  Speaker 6: were at practice today according to what I saw posted online.
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  Speaker 6: But I imagine he is going to work himself in
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  Speaker 6: and this team really it is about getting sharp. I
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  Speaker 6: don't think there's anybody in that group that challenges them.
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  Speaker 6: I think they do come out on top without much
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  Speaker 6: of a problem and they just have to make sure
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  Speaker 6: that it's not too easy and that they are firing
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  Speaker 6: on all cylinders for the metal round.
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  Speaker 2: So no surprise there that Latvia is not exactly a favorite.
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  Speaker 2: But when we talk about the real contenders, right, I've
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  Speaker 2: asked you this question about the NHL itself in this
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  Speaker 2: Olympic cycle, which countries are going to be contending for
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  Speaker 2: at least a place on the podium.
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  Speaker 6: So I look at it as USA, Canada, Sweden when
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  Speaker 6: they're kind of the Big four heading in with abilities
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  Speaker 6: for other countries to make surprise runs, but that wouldn't
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  Speaker 6: be shocking. For instance, I like Germany and they are
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  Speaker 6: in the US group. I think the Germans, while not deep,
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  Speaker 6: have pretty good star power led by Leon Drysidel and
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  Speaker 6: of course J J. Paturka on Team Germany. They have scoring,
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  Speaker 6: they have decent goaltending. The Germans could surprise a couple
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  Speaker 6: of teams and catch them napping. Chechia is another one,
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  Speaker 6: and you know it's great. All this ties in right
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 6: for me to talk about mammoth guys. But you know,
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  Speaker 6: Corel Benjamalka is on Chechia and I think they have
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  Speaker 6: better goaltending there than Canada. And those two teams are
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  Speaker 6: in the same group together, so Canada really better watch itself.
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  Speaker 6: I think they're deeper, CHECKI is older, more veteran. They
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  Speaker 6: have a lot of former NHL players on that team
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  Speaker 6: in a day to their current NHL ers, so that's
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 6: a talented team as well. Now at the end of
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  Speaker 6: the day, yeah, I go back to the Big Four.
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  Speaker 6: I think for the metal round, and really, I mean,
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  Speaker 6: Canada feels like the team to beat if the goaltending
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  Speaker 6: is on. I like Team USA's goaltending the best of
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  Speaker 6: anyone in the tournament, so I really like where they're at.
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  Speaker 6: And then Sweden and Finland are always crazy competitive, and
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  Speaker 6: Sweden especially I think is going to be tough to beat.
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  Speaker 6: So maybe those are my three medalists. I just don't
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  Speaker 6: know where they're coming out.
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  Speaker 2: Hella Books, Swaymen Ottinger are the are the gold minders
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: for the netminders for Team USA?
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  Speaker 3: How different will they?
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: Will the management process be for the Olympics versus you know,
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: if this if you put those three guys on an
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: NHL roster, obviously you know we see how that rotation
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: usually goes in the NHL, but it's effectively in all
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: star lineup. So will you see more of the for
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: lack of a better term, backups in the Olympics.
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  Speaker 6: Ye, I don't think so, because it is such a
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  Speaker 6: short tournament. I think you have an established starter who
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 6: will probably get two of your three pool games, and
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 6: in the round robin you probably want to get your
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 6: whoever you consider your number two some work, but no,
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 6: you want your starter, going to make sure.
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  Speaker 7: That they are solid.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 6: Now, if something happens and they have a bad couple
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  Speaker 6: of games, you might, you know, change your schedule around
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 6: or put somebody else. And then we've seen that happen.
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  Speaker 3: But that is the.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 6: Mystery, the secret sauce. Right in an Olympic tournament, it
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 6: is short, it is intense. You better have your guy
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 6: in net, absolutely going, and if he's not you you've
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 6: got to have a short leash. And I hate that
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 6: as a goaltender, I hate that, but you know, you
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 6: really do have to put a guy and it gives
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  Speaker 6: you the best chance to win, because once you get
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 6: to the medal round, it's one and done. There is
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 6: no tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: So who do you think the one, two three is?
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  Speaker 6: I would, and so I think it'll be Hellibuck and
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 6: then on your swing. For me personally, like if I
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 6: was going to pick, believe it or not, Jake Odenere
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  Speaker 6: would be my starter. I like him the best out
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 6: of all of them. Part of it is Hellibuck's having
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 6: a bit of a down year, but so is Winnipe
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 6: and that's tough. But I think based on the seniority
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 6: of everything, Hellabuck is your starter. And it would be
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 6: it would be a flight to him to not be
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  Speaker 6: the starter if politics weren't a part of the messaging,
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 6: and probably Swayman ends up getting a game here in
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 6: the round robin. I would really like to see it
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  Speaker 6: be Ottinger, but I think Hellabuck is that number one guy.
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  Speaker 6: But look, if Connor Hellibuck is on and he's playing
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 6: well and he's locked in, lookout because he is one
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  Speaker 6: of the best goaltenders of this generation.
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  Speaker 2: Does does how these guys have performed in the past
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: in Stanley Cup playoffs factor into the decision making when
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: we're talking about this Olympic cycle, I think it does.
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  Speaker 6: I think you have to take a player's body of work,
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 6: which is why so many interesting choices had to be
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 6: made by Billy Garren and his staff and putting this
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 6: team together. One of the big stats that keeps going
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  Speaker 6: around that people continue to talk about is five of
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  Speaker 6: the top ten American born scorers current leading scorers in
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  Speaker 6: the NHL are not on this team. So the US
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  Speaker 6: made a conscious decision that they weren't just going to
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  Speaker 6: put together the most offensively dangerous team and the most
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  Speaker 6: all star productive team. I think they made a conscious
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  Speaker 6: decision to put together a team that was a little tougher,
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 6: a little more physical, and quite honestly, at the end
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  Speaker 6: of the day, oh see, I think it is yeared
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  Speaker 6: to beat Canada, specifically beat Canada, because that is like
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 6: they're the top drawer team coming into this and they're
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 6: the target and they are tough, they are physical, but
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  Speaker 6: they also have a ton of scoring. They have great defense.
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  Speaker 6: Could be the goaltendingest weak point. I don't think it'll
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 6: be bad, but it could be their weakest link in
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 6: the chain. So there were a lot of interesting choices
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 6: made that way in putting this team together. And I
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 6: think even for a short tournament, they want grit, they
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 6: want to be able to play physical, they want to
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  Speaker 6: take it to those other teams, and so yeah, they
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  Speaker 6: made some interesting choices along the way here, you know,
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 6: but they still have Austin Matthews, right, I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 6: they're still taking a bunch of guys that can put
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 6: the puck in the net. They're still a pretty deep team,
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  Speaker 6: and it's nice to have the luxury of making those
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 6: hard decisions.
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  Speaker 2: Do you like that strategy if that's the one to like, Hey, guys,
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  Speaker 2: we got we gotta beat Canada.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, is is that a smart plan?
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  Speaker 2: Because, like you mentioned, it's obviously Canada is probably the
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: lead horse in that race. But if you specifically prepare
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: yourself to take on one opponent or to be able
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: to beat one particular nation and it doesn't end up
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: being them in a gold medal match, are you going
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: to regret that?
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  Speaker 6: And that is that is the risk, isn't it. There's
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 6: probably a couple of personnel differences that I would have thought, oh,
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 6: maybe you go this way instead of that, But I
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  Speaker 6: don't mind it because a couple of things. Number One,
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 6: the rink is not as big as a typical Olympic rink. Normally,
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 6: an Olympic size ice sheet is one hundred feet wide.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 6: And I believe me, we've all heard ad nauseum about
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 6: the problems just getting this building open, let alone get
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 6: you know, getting hockey played on it. But it's not
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  Speaker 6: as big as a traditional international size rink. It is
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 6: much more of an NHL size rink. So I think
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 6: styling your team for an NHL type of game, and
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 6: I believe in the NHL that yes, a physical roster
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 6: that also has skill wins in the playoffs. I think Ultimately,
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 6: that is my dream build for a Stanley Cup run.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 6: I think in this particular case, given the circumstances, this
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  Speaker 6: is a good direction to build this team in and
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 6: I think it will show some pretty good results. Now,
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 6: will they beat Canada? I don't one hundred percent know
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  Speaker 6: the answer to that, but I can tell you no
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 6: matter who they play, and Canada included, it is going
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 6: to be a hard game to win physically as well
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 6: as mentally.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: Tom Callahan, our guest here on the Sean o'connorshow, talking
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: a little Olympic hockey previewing. At least no men's hockey
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: does not start for a couple more days of women
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  Speaker 2: in action right now, right now, leading Switzerland after the
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  Speaker 2: end of the first period.
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  Speaker 3: One nothing you mentioned.
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  Speaker 2: Keller could potentially be a healthy scratch, and obviously Mammoth
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: fans are hoping that he gets a lot of run
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 2: in this Olympic tournament and that we can see him
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  Speaker 2: score some goals and whatnot. We're gonna have to let
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  Speaker 2: it play out, see how it goes. If I guess
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: what is the best version of this tournament for Clayton
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: Keller's He's unlikely to be the primary go to the
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: big star, the top line guy on this particular lineup.
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  Speaker 2: But I also don't want to see him, you know,
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  Speaker 2: be a healthy scratch multiple times, or or be you know,
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  Speaker 2: a token ad to this particular roster. What's an ideal
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: outcome for Keller specifically in this tournament.
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  Speaker 6: For Clayton Keller, what I want to see is him
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  Speaker 6: kind of regain his scoring, touching and his confidence out there.
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  Speaker 6: I think, let's let's be honest. He's had a rough
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 6: year and it's been a difficult season for him. He
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 6: dealt with a lot personally, and I know that that's
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  Speaker 6: I wouldn't wish that stuff on anybody. I would like
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  Speaker 6: for him to just regain his focus and his sharpness
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 6: and his maybe his love and his joy of coming
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 6: to the rinks every day. And I'm not saying he
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 6: doesn't have that now, but just there's there's something to
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 6: it when you when you have all those outside factors.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 6: Everybody says, well, i'll leave it at the door. You
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 6: know you're the rank now, blah blah blah. And some
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 6: guys can do that. Some guys that's difficult. I really
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  Speaker 6: would love to see him rediscover that in his game
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  Speaker 6: and we'll see it on the ice. I think he
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 6: started to break through a little bit here towards the
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 6: Olympic break. I would like to see him get some
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 6: good solid ice time. I'd like to see him get
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 6: some special teams time out there as well, and you
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 6: know what, maybe he does develop some more leadership qualities
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 6: being around again the best players in the world foreign
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 6: against you. I mean, this is a best on best tournament,
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 6: and it's it's awesome. It's a lot of fun to watch,
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  Speaker 6: but the level will not be higher anywhere else, and
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 6: that includes the Stanley Cup playoffs. In my opinion, I
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 6: think there is a lot that you can learn and
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 6: a lot that you can grow from. And I hope
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 6: he is playing those games. I hope he makes it
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 6: a hard decision for them, especially after his World Championship
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 6: run last year captaining that team. I think that that's
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 6: you know, important for his game, his confidence, and then
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 6: bring that energy and enthusiasm back to the Utah Mammoth
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 6: here in their stretch run through March and April.
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  Speaker 2: You mentioned Austin Matthews as a guy you can rely
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 2: on for some scoring aside from your captain, and I
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 2: guess I'll take away, your associate, your ultimate captain as well,
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  Speaker 2: the most important player not in the net for this
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  Speaker 2: utah or not UTAH for this team USA.
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  Speaker 5: Who do you think that is?
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 6: You know, this is this is something I think a
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 6: lot of people focus on the forwards, which I understand.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 6: I totally get that, But I think that we've got
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 6: to look at the defense here because I think there's
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 6: going to need to be scoring from the blue line
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 6: for this team USA.
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  Speaker 7: And that's why. You know, when you get.
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 6: Injuries and you guys knocked out, that's what hurts. Charlie
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 6: McAvoy thankfully looks like he's going to be okay. He
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 6: actually got injured in that game right before the break
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 6: and then came back in that game and so it
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 6: was all right, thankfully. But Zach Warensky is an older
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 6: guy who's having a good season for Columbus. He's putting
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 6: pucks in the net, he's adding scoring from the back end.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 6: You know, I look to see what he's going to bring.
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 6: Noah Hannifin's another older guy that are a veteran guy.
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 6: I should say, I don't want to make him sell
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 6: you one hundred years old, But to me, they're all kids.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 6: Oh see, they're all kids. But you know, I think
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 6: that's going to be the important part for this team
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 6: is that they really do have to find some goals
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 6: from the back end, because upfront, Tage Thompson can take
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 6: over and just absolutely dominate. I mean, that's the guy
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 6: that Holy cow, he can put the puck on the
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 6: net when he's on a tear, he can shoot from anywhere.
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 6: He's just absolutely deadly. The Kachuck brothers can just change
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 6: an entire game all by themselves and absolutely dominate. But
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 6: one other guy, I'll give you one other other forward
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 6: and it's not Jack Eichel, but believe it or not,
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 6: because of the way he's been playing coming into the break,
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 6: Jake Genzil. I think Jake Nseil from Ten Bay can
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 6: be an absolute game breaker in the Olympics.
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 2: Which NHL team was happiest to have this Olympic break in,
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 2: which is like, oh no, we're on a roll here,
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 2: don't make the break now.
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 6: I think Utah wishes there was no break. Quite honestly,
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 6: that's a tough one for them. Probably the Buffalo Sabers
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 6: because of the way they had started to play heading
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 6: into the break as well. There are the teams that
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 6: are hurt and banged up. The Florida Panthers loved this
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 6: break because hopefully, and you never know when you know,
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 6: guys are going to be able to come back, but
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 6: they want to get healthy. Tampa Bay was playing lights
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 6: out heading into the break. They probably didn't want to Carolina.
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 6: You know who else the Pittsburgh Penguins. This is a
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 6: Penguins team that for years we've been saying they're too old.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 6: They need to get rid of Balkin and let Tang
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 6: and Crosby and just started over. They won seven of
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 6: ten and points of nine of ten going into the break,
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 6: So yeah, they absolutely did not want the break. You
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 6: know who loves the break. Colorado they had been sliding
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 6: lately and coming back down to earth a little bit.
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 6: They had not had the best stretch here right before
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 6: the Olympic break, So unfortunately, I think the Avalanche are
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 6: very excited to have some time off.
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 3: Is there a game after this break?
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 2: We're going to talk before we get here, but is
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 2: there a game that right now is on your radar
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 2: for the Utah Mammoth to when you say, all right,
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: that's the one where we're going to figure out whether
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 2: this break was.
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 3: Good or bad for the team.
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 6: I think you're going to find out fairly quickly because
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 6: they go on, they come home, they play Chicago March first, and.
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 5: You know, they've got a.
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 6: Little mini three game homestand it's the Avalanche, the Wild
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 6: and then Chicago. That is a real tough way to
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 6: restart things. But the blessing and the curses that both
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 6: teams are restarting things. They played the Avalanche well all season.
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 6: I think they're going to play the Avalanche well again.
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 6: Minnesota is a game that if you want to buy
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 6: tickets for one of those three games, I would tell
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 6: you to buy tickets for the game on the twenty
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 6: seventh against Minnesota because I think that is your biggest
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 6: litmus test in there. Now here's a secondary answer to
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 6: that is that Sunday, March first game against Chicago, they
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 6: better win. That is a must win game for me
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 6: because of where Chicago is in the standings, because of
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 6: where Utah is. And they then go on a five
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 6: game Eastern road swing that ends by looping back through
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 6: Chicago and again Minnesota. That's a really, really tough stretch.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 6: I want to see him come out of that little
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 6: homestand with two out of three. But the most important
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 6: game in there to me is Minnesota.
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: Were there any guys on this mammoth roster that you're like,
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 2: he's going to really benefit from the rest, Maybe somebody
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 2: who's a little banged up or been playing through some stuff.
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 2: And obviously he is not part of his Olympic team.
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 6: Well, hopefully Logan cool.
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 6: We are all rooting for COOLi to get well soon.
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 6: I hope he is. Is you know, going to find
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 6: the fountain of youth or some healing springs somewhere and
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 6: hang out in there. You know who always plays so
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 6: hard and is always getting banged up and probably really
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 6: does need the rest is Sean Dursey. Jersey plays so hard.
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 6: He plays a very physical brand, He blocks shots, and
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 6: he plays in all situations. I'm pretty sure he will
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 6: benefit greatly from the rest. And he's a very important
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 6: part of this defensive cores, So I think that'll be
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 6: a big thing for him, and you know, just some
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 6: of the other guys. I would really like to see
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 6: Alex Kerfoot get healthy again. He hasn't been for the
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 6: most part of this year. I hope that's not you know,
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 6: his body starting to break down on him, but I
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 6: really think Kerfoot can benefit because if they get Kerfoot
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 6: and Coolly back and Jersey is back as close to
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 6: one hundred percent as he can get, that makes I'M
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 6: a much better team. That's like making a couple of
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 6: trades at the deadline and acquiring some really key pieces.
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 6: So my fingers are crossed for those three guys that
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 6: this is a very healing couple of weeks.
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 2: Tom, enjoy the women's hockey that's on today, and we
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 2: will probably chat with you after the men have already
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 2: played a time or two, so appreciate your expertise and
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 2: your time.
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  Speaker 3: As always, Thank you, thanks for having me on and
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 3: go Team USA.
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 2: Tom Callahan, Utah Mammoth insider, who for now is going
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 2: to be our hockey insider, one of our hockey insiders
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 2: and specialists for Team USA Hockey. Latvia is the first
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 2: opponent for Team USA in this Olympic tournament. That game
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 2: will be played in a couple of days at one
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 2: ten pm Mountain time. That's when your puck is gonna
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: drop lots left to get to the super Bowl on
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 2: the weekend. The lackluster or was it exactly what you did.
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  Speaker 1: You're tuned to the Sean O'Connell Show for the Murdoch
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  Speaker 3: Af am, I'm totally remiss. I forgot.
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  Speaker 2: We have to do an Olympic curling report with our
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 2: curling expert James Peterson. A spoiler alert for those of
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: you who don't want to know about Olympic results when
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 2: they're on live because you only want to watch the
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 2: primetime after work.
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  Speaker 4: Fine, fine, you know, with the games happening in Europe,
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 4: Italy I believe is eight six to eight hours ahead
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 4: of us, which means that all the the it's prime
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 4: time over there when we're on the show here. So
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 4: I mean that's your warning that we have that we're
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 4: going to we might spoil some things before you're able
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 4: to watch at home when you watch primetime in Milan.
• 2:10:18
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• 2:10:37
  Speaker 4: update mixed doubles.
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  Speaker 5: We had both the final round robin games and the
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 5: semi final games today and Team USA face the same
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 5: team both times.
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  Speaker 3: Oh see.
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  Speaker 4: They faced the home nation Italy, who also happened to
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 4: be the defending gold medalists.
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  Speaker 5: So too tough matt which is to end the round
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 5: robin round, which is the preliminary round. They fall to
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 5: Italy in the round robin seven to six, heartbreaking loss.
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  Speaker 1: There.
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  Speaker 4: To round out those those matches are those games Norway
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 4: beat Korea eight to five and Chechia beat Estonia eight
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 4: to four. I just have to mention, well, disappointed Estonia
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 4: is not better at curling considering that you play curling
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 4: with stones.
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  Speaker 3: Oh see, oh, James, come on that.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 4: Moving on to the semi final matches, Sweden blew out
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 4: Great Britain nine to three, and then and then the
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 4: one we were all waiting for the rematch from earlier
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 4: in the day, USA Italy. The crowds against overwhelmingly against
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 4: Team USA in Cortina Dumpetzo.
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  Speaker 5: They're down four to two.
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  Speaker 4: About midway through, they take a two, they take a
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 4: two point, leads seven to five, relinquish the lead. They're
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 4: down eight to seven going into the final end. One
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 4: stone left.
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 5: The cardiac kids here, the one one stone left. They
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 5: they get into this, they get into the house.
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 4: That's the that's the scoring zone there, the circles there,
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 4: you get it that you're aiming for, and they knock
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 4: one of the they knock one of the Italian stones
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 4: out of it. So that's worth that's a two point
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 4: swing right there. Oh see, that's how much they needed.
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  Speaker 3: To win the game.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 5: They win nine to eight on.
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  Speaker 4: That last uh, on that last end, the last stone
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 4: of the of the game of the match. I keep
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 4: saying match, but apparently game is the term, but matchup
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 4: probably also works too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're probably hurt.
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 4: The first ever gold medal game for Team USA and
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 4: mixed doubles curling coming up tomorrow ten am on Peacock,
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 4: right before we go on the air. We're gonna have
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 4: and I'm sure at the start of the maybe at
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 4: the start of the show, we're gonna have the the
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 4: end of the gold medal game. So shout out to
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 4: Team USA and there's your curling update. Again, it's just
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 4: on Peacock today, it was on USA.
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 3: That's a little.
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  Speaker 5: Disappointing, Like, give us the give us a bigger bigger
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 5: like traditional TV platform for the gold medal game first
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  Speaker 5: ever one. Maybe they'll change that. I also, I have
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 5: to say the Twitter account that I was, I was
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 5: scrolling through some stuff looking for updates. They they did
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 5: the do you Believe in Miracles and all caps homage
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 5: to homage to the miracle on ice. I'm not sure
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 5: this is quite that level.
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 3: It might be, I mean maybe, okay, if you're in
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 3: curling then yeah, okay.
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 4: It's just I mean the cold war between between mixed
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 4: levels curling, between the USA and the Italian team, there's
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 4: a lot of really fierce, right fierce. It's arguably as
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 4: fierce as ASOSA men's hockey versus the Soviets in nineteen
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 4: eighty Lake Placid.
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  Speaker 3: Arguably.
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: So we started the show today kind of complaining about
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. I complaining is the wrong way to
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: do it and the wrong way to put it.
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 3: But to me, it was an.
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 2: Interesting game for how dispassionate it was. You got a
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 2: bunch of field goals, defensive battle there were not, in
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 2: my opinion, there were not moments in this game where
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 2: you're just like, oh, this is it all comes down
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 2: to this moment necessarily, not until you got late, and
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 2: you saw that the Patriots were entering their desperation situations,
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 2: and you knew they had to convert on some things,
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 2: and ultimately we're not able to almost got a turnover
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 2: that would have made it. It would have kept them
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 2: within striking distance. But unfortunately, for any New England fan
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 2: out there, you're a New England fan, and more unfortunately
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 2: you lost the Super Bowl.
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we get.
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 4: As I'm watching the game, I was I wanted a
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 4: good game, so I was oddly kind of pulling for
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 4: New England for most of that game to try to
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 4: make it competitive. Right, But every time, every time the
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 4: you know, Mike Tarico or Chris Collinsworth would would bring
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 4: up just how bad they've been. I mean, I had
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 4: to say out loud, yeah, I don't hate hearing that.
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 4: Though like I as much as I I also don't
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 4: like the Seahawks, it's nice to hear that. It's nice
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 4: to hear the Patriots are sucking right now.
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 2: The question I have for a lot of people is
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 2: do you think that the Patriots will be back there
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 2: invariably inevitably? Are you confident in the dynastic abilities of
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 2: a Patriots team that's still relatively young, obviously has who
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 2: they think is their franchise quarterback they need to build
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 2: along the offensive line. Nobody has ever been sad as
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 2: much in the playoffs as Drake May was sacked over
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 2: the course of their four games on the way to
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl.
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 3: Now, they had to play four instead of three like
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 3: the Seattle Seahawks did.
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 2: But when you're giving up five sacks a game through
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 2: the playoffs, it's a minor miracle that you actually made
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 2: it to the Super Bowl. And obviously Drake May getting
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 2: hit as often as he did. They hit him eleven times.
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 2: Apparently seven different Seahawks players hit Drake May, and obviously
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 2: some of the biggest plays of the game were him
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 2: going down getting sacked. Now he's got a head start
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 2: on everyone else in this question because he's already appeared
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: in one Super Bowl. But these are his like same
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 2: age contemporaries effectively in the NFL. Who will play the
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 2: greatest number of Super Bowls before their career is over
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: Caleb Williams, Drake May, Bow Knicks, or Jaden Daniels. Right now,
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 2: Drake May is holding a slight edge on bon Nicks.
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 2: Forty two percent of you think that he will play
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 2: in the greatest number of Super Bowls next up, no surprises.
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: Bon Nicks thirty six percent of people think it'll be him,
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 2: Caleb Williams at eighteen percent, and Jayden Daniels boy that
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 2: they have a sophomore slump of a year. Not a
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 2: lot of trust in that organization either. But the question remains,
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 2: who of those four players do you think gets to
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 2: be in the most Super Bowls? And honestly, it might
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 2: be one, right, I think most of us thought with
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 2: how Joe Burrow got to the super Bowl in his
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 2: second year, a lot of us were like, oh, yeah,
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 2: Joe Burrow is going to be in that conversation all
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 2: the time.
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 3: Not the case right in the Chiefs dynasty. Yeah, that
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 3: didn't right.
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, assuming multiple super Bowls for any of these
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 2: guys is maybe the wrong thing to do, probably the
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 2: wrong thing to do.
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 3: But the question is there, and I want you to
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 3: answer it.
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  Speaker 2: Of that class of quarterback, those young guys, those you know,
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 2: twenty four and younger type quarterbacks, with Drake may already
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 2: having the head start because he's played in one, do
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 2: you think bo Nicks, Caleb Williams or Jayden Daniels ends
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 2: up playing in more than Drake.
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 4: May Well all from the same draft class. By the way,
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 4: when you put on for everyone you put on that poll, Yeah,
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 4: I it's hard not to say Drake may for a
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 4: couple of reasons. One, it's recency bias. We just saw
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 4: it happen and they're a young team and we I
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 4: think I think there's a lot of respect for Mike
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 4: Vrabel out there as well, his ability to get this team,
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 4: coach this team up, get them back to the super
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 4: Bowl soon. But the other reason is he finished second
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 4: in MVP voting by like the closest margin, one of
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 4: the closest margins ever, the closest margin since we last
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 4: had a co MVP Peyton Manning Steve McNair right like
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 4: twenty something years ago. So as bad as he looked someday,
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 4: and you got to give the Seahawks defense a ton
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 4: of credit for that, you gotta put a lot of
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 4: blame on the on the offensive line for that. It's
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 4: not all on Drake maybe and bad, but he also
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 4: wasn't good. He played He was a lot of people
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 4: thought he was the best quarterback in the league this year.
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 4: That's how he played, right, So there's a couple of
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 4: reasons why it's hard not to say Drake May. But I,
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 4: as I think hard on this, I think that I
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 4: we've seen enough from Caleb Williams, particularly this year, that
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 4: I if you believed in his potential at USC like
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 4: I did, I feel like there's still every reason to
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 4: believe that he's going to be that guy that gets
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 4: to that gets the Bears, or maybe he changes teams and.
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 3: Gets to a super Well.
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 2: It's a flawed question in a lot of ways because
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 2: it individualizes what is massively team oriented. When I say,
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 2: will it be Caleb Williams, Drake May, jayde and Daniel
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 2: like Jaane Daniels might be the best of all of them,
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 2: but you don't trust his organization. You don't believe that ownership, management,
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 2: coaching there is going to get him back. I think
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 2: that with Drake May, he's got a really solid coach,
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 2: he's got an organization that has a history of Super
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 2: Bowl caliber success, and maybe he doesn't go on a
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 2: run and win a bunch of them.
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 3: But just being in the conversation, that's what the question
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 3: is about. How many is he going to play in? Right?
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 2: If I would have asked you at the beginning of
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 2: the year, whether Sam Darnold was going to be the
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl winning quarterback, You'd have been like, know, you, moron,
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 2: because when you put the quarterback's name on it, it
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 2: becomes a question about the individual.
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 3: It becomes a question about the quarterback.
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 2: But if I had said, are the Seahawks capable of
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 2: winning a Super Bowl this year?
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 3: Your reaction would not have been quite so negative.
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 2: You probably still wouldn't have been like, yeah, of course
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 2: they can, but it would have been you would have
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 2: been thinking about well, coaching, defense, franchise level stuff. And
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 2: that's why this quarterback conversation and the quarterback super Bowl
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 2: wins as a quarterback stat thing can get really dicey
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 2: and can be flawed because Sam Donald, right or wrong,
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 2: is now going to go down in the annals of
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 2: NFL history as a Super Bowl winning quarterback when Dan
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 2: Marino doesn't, like you're gonna have and it doesn't. No
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 2: one's gonna say Sam Donald is better than Dan Marino
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 2: because of it. But you can't be so reductive that
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 2: you just say, well, super Bowl wins are a quarterback
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 2: stat and I'm impressed with Sam Donald's resilience. His resilience
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 2: is the story. His freak talent is not, his ability
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 2: is not. His elevation of his team on a consistent
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 2: week to week basis is not Sam Donald. Maybe the
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 2: best thing that Sam Donald has is his full understanding
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 2: of himself. It was great to hear a lot of
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  Speaker 2: his interviews leading up to the Super Bowl. Do you
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 2: play with a chip on your shoulder? Are you mad
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 2: about all these teams that turned you away? And He's like, no,
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 2: that does not serve me. Now there are some players
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 2: who do need that, and they do like that. They
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 2: want to feel like an injustice has been done. They
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 2: want to feel wronged by the system.
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  Speaker 3: You didn't believe in me.
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  Speaker 7: This is on you.
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 3: Screw you.
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna prove you wrong. That's not him and he
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 2: knows that about himself. And I think that if we
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 2: got him with the truth serum and you put him
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 2: in front of the you know, the detective lights, he'd
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 2: be like, yeah, dude, I just knew that. To win
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 2: this game, I had to not screw it up for
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 2: my team. So I threw a bunch of check down passes.
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 2: I threw the ball away instead of trying to force
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 2: it into windows. When I believed I could make the throw.
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 2: I made the throw, which he deserves credit for. He
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 2: gets credit for those things. But I was not gonna
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 2: do what Drake May had to do in this game.
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 2: If the Patriots were gonna win, Drake May had to
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 2: will them to a win. He had to play them
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 2: to a win. He had to use his legs against
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 2: that pass rush, and he had to use his arm,
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 2: and he had to have an outstanding day for the
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 2: Patriots to win. The only way that Seattle was gonna
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 2: lose this Super Bowl was for Sam Donald to have
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 2: a bad day. So Sam Donald, because he's an intelligent guy,
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  Speaker 2: I think, made a decision over the last two weeks
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 2: and said I'm just gonna not have a bad day.
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 2: And I think his coaching staff with the play calling,
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 2: was just like, we're just gonna make sure Sam does
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 2: not have a bad day. And if we get into
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  Speaker 2: a situation where Sam's gotta make the plays, he's got
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 2: to use his arm and his athleticism because he has some,
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 2: and he's got to be the difference between us and
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 2: a Super Bowl victory. Well, the way he played in
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 2: the NFC Championship game makes me feel like maybe he
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 2: can do that. But the highest percentage move here is
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 2: to just make sure he doesn't have a bad day.
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 2: And that's why, Sam Donald. You look at his stats
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 2: and they're totally pedestrian. They're totally unimpressive. But the stat
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  Speaker 2: that matters to him and to the city of Seattle
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 2: and to the organization is he is one to zero
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 2: in Super Bowl appearances, Sam bleeping' Donald, Drake may might
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 2: be that guy who gets there can't win. It might
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 2: be that guy who plays incredibly well but doesn't have
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  Speaker 2: the offensive line to support his success. If you're New England,
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  Speaker 2: I think that that is a that is an organization
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 2: with enough history and Mike Rabel played with enough uh
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 2: really good offensive lineman to know that, like, that's what
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  Speaker 2: we need to build next we have our franchise quarterback
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  Speaker 2: protect him. That could be a really, really big problem
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 2: for the rest of the league. If Sam Darnold, excuse me,
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 2: if Drake may gets a great offensive line, but right
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 2: now he's got a bad one.
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 3: The Patriots offensive line is like.
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 2: Three pressures better than the Chargers offensive line, and they
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 2: are embarrassing. Both of those teams need to put all
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 2: their draft capital into offensive line. I've got everyone else
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 2: does this thing where they play this sweepstakes game. Man,
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 2: we got to get the right quarterback. We got to
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 2: get the right quarterback. We got to get the right quarterback.
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 2: You have the right quarterback. Now support the right quarterback.
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 2: The Bears have the right quarterback. Support the right quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: And they they did improve their their line drastically, and
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 4: the Bears had an incredible season drastically. Right Cayle Williams
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 4: still had some iffy moments. And you hope you bank
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 4: on that potential, like I was saying before, and you
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 4: bank on the potential of the offensive mind of Ben Johnson,
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 4: and you can correct that kind of stuff.
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 2: Bow Knicks bow Knicks was right there. The Broncos were
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 2: right there. Bow Knicks needs weapons. You need one other
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 2: than Courtland Sudden. You have to find offensive weapons to
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 2: fill in around. You've got the right quarterback, you got
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 2: a pretty decent offensive line, You've got an unbelievable defensive line. Right,
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 2: you've got to give some offensive weapons. Like I know
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 2: that I'm boiling it down to this elementary level, but
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 2: sometimes teams overthink themselves. And if you've got the thing
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 2: that everyone else in the NFL is chasing, a franchise, quarterback.
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 2: It should be relatively easy to figure out the rest.
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 2: That is the hardest thing.
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  Speaker 4: You You mentioned Joe Burrow earlier and how how early
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 4: in his career he led the Bengals, of all franchises
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 4: to the Super Bowl, and that Super Bowl season, it
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 4: seemed like it what they did in the draft that year,
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 4: it seemed like they proved that was the right move,
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 4: drafting Jamar Chase instead of drafting Pine Seul when your
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 4: your number one overall pick the year before blew out
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 4: his knee because he got sacked too much, right, because
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 4: because the line couldn't protect him, he then got just
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 4: the snot knocked out of him all postseason. You saw
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 4: the stat everyone watching yesterday saw the stat that kept
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 4: coming on the screen, the record for most times being sacked.
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 4: Joe Burrow that that Super Bowl run was the guy
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 4: who held who held that record. Drake may tied it, right,
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 4: I don't think he ended up surpassing it last night.
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 4: It worked out that season, but we've seen and it
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 4: worked out well this season after that too, when they
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 4: got back to the AFC Championship game. But we've seen
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 4: since then they probably should have just went ahead and
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 4: drafted pane Sewel as great as a combination. Joe Burrow
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 4: and Jamar Chase were in college and have shown to
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 4: be in their early years in the NFL. Joe Burrow
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 4: can't stay on the field, so you're absolutely right on
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 4: once you have the quarterback, and the Bengals should have
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 4: felt really good even though they lost him for the
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 4: season early on in the season his rookie year. We
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 4: feel really good about Joe Burrow. You have a chance
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 4: to draft a guy like pene Sewell at the top
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 4: of the draft. Take the old lineman, protect that quarterback
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 4: that you think is awesome. Patriots should do the same
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 4: thing this year. All right, we're actually gonna he did
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 4: break the record this year. I'm not gonna tell you
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 4: the number because that's gonna be our trivia question next.
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 4: But great may got sacked more than anyone in an
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 4: NFL postseason ever has. I know that great offensive linemen
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 4: don't grow on trees. But you, if you're New England,
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 4: you should at least have a good idea of the
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 4: first thing you need to fix.
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 5: Caleb Lomu into the draft.
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 4: Maybe I want him to go to the Niners. Yeah,
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 4: I prefer that too, But good one to pick if
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 4: he's there, New England.
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 3: All right, we'll do a little cross talk and some trivia. Next.
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  Speaker 2: Drake May got sacked more in the postseason than any
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 2: quarterback ever has. How many times was he sacked in
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  Speaker 2: another three minutes or so. Hey Spence, welcome home, Sean.
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 2: Good Thank to you, buddy, Thank you. Did you enjoy
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl.
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 3: Uh at all. It was underwhelming.
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 2: It was and I didn't want to see the Seattle
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 2: Seahawks win as a Niners fan, especially at my home stadium.
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 2: But you know it was the commercials were blah, The
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 2: game itself was blah. And as far as I made
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 2: the analogy, you know, for me, the Super Bowl is
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 2: it's a holiday, It's an American sports holiday, yep. And
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 2: this was the Christmas that you got a pair of
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 2: wool socks. Yeah, where you're just like, well, it's still Christmas.
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 3: But dang, yeah that kind of sucked. Yeah, it was.
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 9: I mean I think in ten years, when we're doing, like, hey,
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 9: worst super Bowl of recent memory, this will be on
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 9: the list. Like even in the second half when they
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 9: open it up a little bit, it was more or less.
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 9: Over I don't feel like Seattle even broke a sweat.
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 9: Disappointing game overall. It right now, Like if I asked you,
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 9: the Patriots weren't even I don't know. I don't think
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 9: they're the third or fourth best team in their own conference.
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 9: I think they absolutely benefited with some advantageous situations with injuries,
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 9: with conditions. You know, the Bills certainly had their awards.
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 9: I think Denver with Bownix probably goes, but all the
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 9: questions about whether or not, and look, they just played
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 9: five of the six best defenses in the NFL.
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 3: That has something to do with it.
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 9: But there are a lot of very smart football people
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 9: that are like, no, they've got a lot of issues
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 9: on offense, and you're reporting out their on line. When
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 9: I was driving in I just felt like it was
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 9: pretty apparent early on that Seattle was like a much better,
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 9: much better football team.
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 2: Well, and Seattle gets credit because they are. They are
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 2: a complete team rather than being a star driven team. Right,
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 2: JSN is a star. Sam Darnold is not Kenneth Walker,
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl MVP. He's not really a star running back.
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 2: You don't have a star tight end, you don't have
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 2: even like you don't even have like big star offensive
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 2: linemen if they can be stars, you know what I mean. Defensively,
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 2: you have a bunch of really well respected dudes, but
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 2: nobody that any other team's trying to build a franchise around.
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 2: And instead of being you know, fifty million dollars deep
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 2: into one particular player they've got, they spread it across
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 2: the board and it's it's a really nice product that's
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 2: won them a super Bowl.
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 9: So they've got Darnold for two more years on a
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 9: pretty team friendly deal. I read today they have the
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 9: fifth or sixth most cap space this offseason. Their head
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 9: coach is thirty eight. Like they might be good for
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 9: a long long time. And look, we always do this,
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 9: the prisoner of the moment thing. The team just won.
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 9: It's like, all right, how long can they pull this off?
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 9: Such a hard thing to do year in and year out.
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 9: But yeah, there was not a whole lot of intrigue.
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 9: I mean, here's how exciting the game was. I had
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 9: like five or six friends over the house to watch,
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 9: and we just started bating, like is there ever a
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 9: time where you give the kicker the Super Bowl MVP?
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 9: And I ultimately just came to the answer like no,
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 9: because at one point Myers had all the points.
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 3: It was like Harrison Bucker a couple of years ago.
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 3: But I is there ever?
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 9: Is there ever a scenario that would unfold where a
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 9: kicker would win MVP of the Super.
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 2: Bowl if it's a three zero game in a snowstorm
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 2: and they hit the game winning kick like.
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 3: To beat the buzzer?
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 9: Yes, but I still think you would like, is there
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 9: a DN that had two and a half sacks?
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 2: That's honestly, Like all respect I've I liked Kenneth Walker
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 2: since college.
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 3: Like he's a good player. Yes, he's very good. One
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 3: year he gave me a lot of fantasy points.
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 2: But in any case, the defense and the pass rush
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 2: in particular for the Seahawks was the MVP of this game.
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 3: And I get it.
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 2: You want to give it to a player and you
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 2: don't want to do this like generality. So well, the
• 2:34:33
  Speaker 2: whole defense is the MVP. But that was the real
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 2: answer to that question. Yeah, your front four was the MVP.
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 2: They couldn't do anything and they didn't have to do
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 2: anything fancy. Seattle didn't have to do anything fancy defensively
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 2: because the front four was winning on every down, ye
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 2: passing downs, they were getting pressure or sacks. When Drake
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 2: may try to use his athleticism and run, it was like, nope,
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 2: there's three of us here, dude, and we're all big
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 2: and fast. Yeah, so you got to give it to
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 2: one player, I guess, or at least two. You couldn't
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 2: give it to four plus, but I guess. Congrats to
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker. One hundred and thirty five yards is a
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 2: big deal on a Super Bowl.
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I thought, maybe you look at the Witherspoon kid
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 9: who had a couple of sacks in that strip, sack
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 9: that led to the scooping score. But it was a
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 9: very underwhelming end to an otherwise phenomenal NFL season. And
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 9: now we say goodbye to football for seven months. But
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 9: we got springball coming up a little bit, so we'll
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 9: be able to at least dig into that.
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, college hoops firing up. We got
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 2: a big, big twelve matchup tonight Arizona, Kansas.
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 9: Your boy was in Provo on Saturday night for a
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 9: little BYU Houston.
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 3: They let you in. Don't look at me like that.
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 3: My old man came to you. Hold on, you don't
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 3: even like going south of thirty third.
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 9: Yes, well documented Olympus Cove all the way down to
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 9: pro Olympus Cove is oorum to me. You're right, old
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 9: man rolled into town. You know how it is, Sean,
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 9: we're getting older. We need to spend time with our
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 9: parents when we can. My dad played basketball at b YU.
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 9: He's in Alum and he said, hey, I got four
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 9: tickets to the game. Tonight, I'm in town. Shout out,
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 9: Brian Santiago. A d hooked us up. Okay, your boy
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 9: was on the second row, little VIP dinner, and hold
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 9: on a second. It's got to be some sort of
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 9: conflict of interest here. Oh I'm not even close to done. Okay,
• 2:36:20
  Speaker 9: hold on a second. VIP pregame meal. My guy, Danny Ainge,
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 9: my guy Gifford Nielsen, what's up? Ribs, chicken creamery, e
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 9: venilla ice cream lovely and to top it off, flavored fresca.
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 9: That's what your boy did on Saturday night. It was
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 9: a fresco with some sort of cherry. It's a very
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 9: interesting sex.
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 9: So the BYU Athletic Department has built the brand new
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 9: annex next to the Marriott Center.
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's where you go for the pregame meal.
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 9: They've got buffet and then they've got creamery, and then
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 9: they've got swig and then they've got a candy bar, dude,
• 2:36:56
  Speaker 9: where you can get like skittles and eminem's my little
• 2:36:59
  Speaker 9: like ten year old. We lost him, Like, where's Teddy?
• 2:37:01
  Speaker 9: We look over he's got like five bags of candy.
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 3: Of course that is it. Look everything, it is so
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 3: on brand. All the Utah vices that you're allowed.
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 9: Oh yeah, and look when in Rome sean little vanilla,
• 2:37:14
  Speaker 9: little chocolate syrup, little skittles, little reeses on top.
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 3: Okay, a little flavored fresca.
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 9: And then I watched Kelvin Samson run circles around Kevin Yall,
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 9: we're gonna talk about it. I don't think they're very
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 9: good now, Utah rebuild struggling. Yeah, but b yu man,
• 2:37:33
  Speaker 9: I'm telling you the team last year, I think it's
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 9: better than the team this year. They played a much
• 2:37:38
  Speaker 9: more complete team.
• 2:37:38
  Speaker 2: Soop, we'll get into March and there's gonna be a
• 2:37:41
  Speaker 2: very serious ROI discussion.
• 2:37:45
  Speaker 9: I'm sorry for not bringing you back a flavored soda though,
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 9: next time, when I'm in Provo, I'm in a texture.
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 3: Which one you wants on me? I'm sorry for not
• 2:37:51
  Speaker 3: bringing you back a camel. Wait? Did you have a
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 3: bakla a shake?
• 2:37:55
  Speaker 7: No?
• 2:37:57
  Speaker 3: Just feel like every time you leave you have a shake.
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 2: Although the Emirates lounge at the Dubai Airport has a
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 2: baclava section, like a whole little baklava dessert table.
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 3: Did you partake? Yeah? Not a guy? Yeah, boy puts
• 2:38:12
  Speaker 3: in some calorie work there.
• 2:38:13
  Speaker 7: Guy.
• 2:38:14
  Speaker 2: Love hearing that, all right, stay tuned for the drive.
• 2:38:17
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