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The Neighbors Are Hiding Something...The Murder of Philip _Buckie_ Barlow _ True Crime Documentary · The Mind of a Man

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  Speaker 1: In the spring of 2019, a well-liked and respected trucker
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  Speaker 1: in a small town in West Virginia went missing. In
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  Speaker 1: the days that followed, it seemed that everyone in the
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  Speaker 1: community had a theory. Rumors, speculation, and accusations were rampant.
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  Speaker 1: The investigation navigated a maze of strange clues, finger-pointing, and
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  Speaker 1: colorful characters.
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  Speaker 2: Man, I don't know a freaking thing about this missing guy, dude.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know. My mom asked me today, well,
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  Speaker 2: how come they're saying?
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  Speaker 1: Until one small and seemingly innocuous lie unraveled the mystery
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  Speaker 1: of this small town murder. Hi there, I'm Kevin and
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  Speaker 1: welcome to Just Thought Lounge. Today's case takes us to
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  Speaker 1: a town of just over 200 people. That setting goes
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  Speaker 1: a long way to explaining how this investigation unfolds. With
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  Speaker 1: no murder scene or weapon, limited physical evidence, and dodgy witnesses,
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  Speaker 1: there were only a few ways this case could have
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  Speaker 1: been solved. When it finally was, the truth was truly horrific.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take a look. Kingwood, West Virginia is a small
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  Speaker 1: community situated within the Allegheny Mountains above the Cheat River Valley.
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  Speaker 1: The town is spread across a large rural area with
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  Speaker 1: less than a thousand families calling the region home. Just
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  Speaker 1: south of Kingwood is the even smaller community of Tunnelton,
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  Speaker 1: which is home to a population of just over 200 people.
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  Speaker 1: Perhaps not surprisingly, Kingwood is a place where many residents
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  Speaker 1: have family connections carried over generations. where neighbors know each other,
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  Speaker 1: and where gossip and rumors travel quickly. At about a
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  Speaker 1: quarter past seven in the morning on Wednesday, May 29th, 2019,
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  Speaker 1: one local resident placed a call to the Preston County
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  Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office about suspected drug activity on Shower Bath Road.
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  Speaker 1: There was a maroon pickup truck parked where the road
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  Speaker 1: first widened past Route 26. The road runs next to
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  Speaker 1: the Cheat River. Later that morning, Deputy Childers pulled up
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  Speaker 1: behind the truck and began to inspect it. The deputy
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  Speaker 1: found the vehicle empty. Dark gray smoke building up in
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  Speaker 1: the interior of the cab made it nearly impossible to
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  Speaker 1: see in. Some of the smoke billowed out from the
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  Speaker 1: passenger side window. no doubt the reason that the caller
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  Speaker 1: had suspected drug use. There was clearly oil or a
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  Speaker 1: similar type of liquid accelerant spilling out from the doors.
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  Speaker 1: In the truck bed were two containers of motor oil,
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  Speaker 1: one of them empty. On the passenger side, there were
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  Speaker 1: notable smudges visible. but there were no hand or finger imprints.
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  Speaker 1: Despite the arsonist's efforts, much of the interior remained intact.
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  Speaker 2: There's a pretty good indication. Gloves, they were wearing gloves
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  Speaker 2: for the palm print here. Keys are out of the ignition.
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  Speaker 2: There's a bear there. The center console's been opened. As
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  Speaker 2: you can see, it smells like an oil. There's a
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  Speaker 2: little all over in the dash, a couple places here.
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  Speaker 1: The deputy was joined by a sergeant and then by
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  Speaker 1: the fire department. Tire tracks emerging from the roadside near
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  Speaker 1: to the pickup suggested another vehicle could have been involved,
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  Speaker 1: perhaps driven away by the arsonist.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, this looks like a.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if it's fresh, but it comes from
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  Speaker 4: right here on the side of this truck.
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  Speaker 3: There's a.
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  Speaker 2: like a tire tread going out that way.
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  Speaker 1: The pickup was registered to Philip Barlow, a local truck
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  Speaker 1: driver known affectionately as Bucky. Before long, this was further
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  Speaker 1: confirmed when Bucky's nephew, Perry, arrived on scene and told
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  Speaker 1: them that that was his uncle's truck. He placed a
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  Speaker 1: call to Bucky's employer, Hillside Trucking, to check in on him.
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  Speaker 1: Perry learned that Bucky had not arrived for work that
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  Speaker 1: morning and no one had heard from him a highly
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  Speaker 1: unusual circumstance for a trucker who was known for his reliability.
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  Speaker 3: You didn't have any kind of issues?
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  Speaker 2: Not that I'm aware of. Last time I talked to him,
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  Speaker 2: that was his breakfast, which would have been Mother's Day.
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  Speaker 2: He was bitching about his neighbor being an outlaw.
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  Speaker 5: Other than.
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  Speaker 4: That, everything was good.
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  Speaker 3: He married?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Called, but he never called or showed up. He said
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  Speaker 2: that's highly unusual.
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  Speaker 3: Anybody he lives with?
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  Speaker 2: Kids? Nobody? His fiancée, girlfriend, whatever you want to call her,
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  Speaker 2: lives in Indiana.
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  Speaker 7: In where?
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  Speaker 2: Indiana.
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  Speaker 6: See, his plan is to retire in September and move
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  Speaker 6: to Indiana.
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  Speaker 1: Philip Bucky Barlow was in fact only weeks away from
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  Speaker 1: a well-deserved retirement. He and Mary Butler, his partner of
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  Speaker 1: over 17 years, had been making preparations for their pending
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  Speaker 1: move out of state. She had moved to Indiana ahead
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  Speaker 1: of him to set up their new home. The circumstances
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  Speaker 1: surrounding the abandoned truck were suspicious. Foul play was certainly
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  Speaker 1: being considered, though Bucky was not known as the type
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  Speaker 1: to make enemies. He was described as a big-hearted man
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  Speaker 1: who loved children and was reportedly shockingly competent on a
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  Speaker 1: pair of roller skates. Indeed, Bucky dedicated many Sundays to
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  Speaker 1: teaching local kids how to skate. He also loved riding
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  Speaker 1: his four-wheeler, camping, and playing with his remote-control cars. Though
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  Speaker 1: he had no children of his own, the 61-year-old was
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  Speaker 1: close with his extended family, including nieces and nephews. He
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  Speaker 1: was one of nine children, though had already suffered the
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  Speaker 1: loss of two siblings. In the local area were two
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  Speaker 1: of his brothers, four sisters, their spouses, and children. None
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  Speaker 1: of his family members had heard from him since he
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  Speaker 1: left his home for work the night before. Mary had
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  Speaker 1: spoken with Bucky while he was preparing to leave at
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  Speaker 1: just before midnight. He was often one of the first
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  Speaker 1: to report in at around 12.15 a.m. That night, Bucky
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  Speaker 1: did not arrive. A missing persons investigation was launched by
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  Speaker 1: the county sheriff's office under the lead of Captain Travis Tichnell.
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  Speaker 1: Officers began by speaking with co-workers at Hillside Trucking.
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  Speaker 4: What's your thoughts about all this? What's your thoughts about
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  Speaker 4: all this?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 8: It was, normally, Bucky's the type of person, and you
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  Speaker 8: have to forgive me, but if a man's going to
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  Speaker 8: make a bad move, he tells everybody. I mean, everybody
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  Speaker 8: knows anything and everything about him. And normally, you can
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  Speaker 8: say in clockwork, he normally shows up between.
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  Speaker 2: 12.15 to around 12.45, he's here.
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  Speaker 8: I noticed he wasn't here last night, and I went
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  Speaker 8: over and asked him if he was coming out later
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  Speaker 8: with the rest of the drivers.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't know.
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  Speaker 4: He wasn't scheduled off or anything.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't know either. Why he didn't show up at all.
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  Speaker 4: Any enemies that he had that you know of? Somebody
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  Speaker 4: he didn't like?
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  Speaker 9: The only person that we knew is his neighbors. You
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  Speaker 9: always heard him talk about fighting with his neighbors.
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  Speaker 4: Who's that? I don't know what his name was. You
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  Speaker 4: don't know his name?
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  Speaker 9: It's our daytime mechanic. It's his nephew. I don't know
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  Speaker 9: what his name is.
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  Speaker 1: As the search commenced, Mary traveled from Illinois to the
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  Speaker 1: home she shared with Bucky on No. 4 Road, south
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  Speaker 1: of Kingwood in the even smaller town of Tunnelton. Deputies
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  Speaker 1: with the assistance of the community searched the area where
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  Speaker 1: the truck had been found for any indication of a
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  Speaker 1: pathway towards the river or any additional evidence that might
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  Speaker 1: indicate where they could find Bucky. Family members and friends
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  Speaker 1: walked the length of the river where the train allowed,
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  Speaker 1: hoping to spot something.
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  Speaker 2: My brother said he'd seen something floating in the river
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  Speaker 2: this morning, and he's got a bunch of the rafters
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  Speaker 2: out looking to shoot the.
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  Speaker 3: River right now.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: But we're just thinking the same thing you're thinking. If
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  Speaker 2: the truck burned up on this road, if anybody went
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  Speaker 2: in this water, I mean, they would still up at
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  Speaker 2: the bottom.
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  Speaker 1: As the only source of controversy in the trucker's life
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  Speaker 1: appeared to be an ambiguous dispute with one of his neighbors,
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  Speaker 1: deputies were keen to conduct a canvas of the area.
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  Speaker 1: Directly next to his house was the home of Laura
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  Speaker 1: Martin and Robert Bobby Quinn.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the reason I'm stopping is your neighbor there. I
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  Speaker 2: wonder if you happen to know when he left or
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  Speaker 2: did you see him leave?
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  Speaker 7: No, they were stopped down along the road.
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  Speaker 3: I was with my granddad.
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  Speaker 7: Well, it's my grandma's husband and my bodyguard's little granddad,
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  Speaker 7: but I can't remember. Anyway, on my way back, my
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  Speaker 7: neighbor over here, Greg, And he was asking if our
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  Speaker 7: cameras would stop running, which we have to have internet
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  Speaker 7: and we don't. And I told him no. What was
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  Speaker 7: going on? And he said he couldn't find Bucky. Well,
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  Speaker 7: I mean, you can ask these guys. It's high and
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  Speaker 7: by and I don't know anybody's name.
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  Speaker 2: It's really English.
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  Speaker 7: And I was like, who's Bucky?
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  Speaker 3: And he said, your neighbor lives in the trailer.
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  Speaker 2: I said, what do you mean? You can't find him.
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  Speaker 2: You don't hear when he leaves or anything. I know
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  Speaker 2: it's early.
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  Speaker 3: In the morning.
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  Speaker 1: Laura explained that they were in bed early the night before.
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  Speaker 1: With appliances running inside the house, like their washer-dryer, they
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  Speaker 1: could not hear anything that might have taken place outside. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: the couple were of no help to investigators. Laura and
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  Speaker 1: Quinn were not the only neighbors in the immediate vicinity.
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  Speaker 1: Bucky's property also connected with land occupied by a man
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  Speaker 1: named Craig McLeod. The more neighbors the police spoke with,
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  Speaker 1: the more they heard the same rumors and allegations. That
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  Speaker 1: Craig McLeod and his friend, a man named Chris Thorne,
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  Speaker 1: must be responsible for Bucky's disappearance.
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  Speaker 8: Craig McLeod's wife said he'd had a phone out with
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  Speaker 8: Chris Thorne the night before.
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  Speaker 2: Last night, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And, uh, I'm reaching out.
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  Speaker 2: To you.
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  Speaker 4: I'm reaching out to you.
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  Speaker 10: Like I said, you've always given me good information whether
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  Speaker 10: you were in the right or whether you were in
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  Speaker 10: the wrong. I don't think that you have any involvement
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  Speaker 10: with it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't.
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  Speaker 10: But I figured of all people to talk to, you'd
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  Speaker 10: be a good one to reach out to.
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  Speaker 2: What's your guts telling you?
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  Speaker 11: Why?
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  Speaker 4: Because they're always together.
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  Speaker 2: They're always running together. And I think.
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  Speaker 4: McLeod's the fall guy for Chris. You think what? He's
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  Speaker 4: the fall guy. What do you mean the fall guy?
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  Speaker 12: For Chris.
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  Speaker 2: Whenever shit hits the fan for him, you know, he's
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  Speaker 2: going to use McLeod.
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  Speaker 4: As the fall guy. So you think, who do you
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  Speaker 4: think had the problem with the man?
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  Speaker 2: Who? McLeod.
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  Speaker 4: You think McLeod had the problem? And what do you
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  Speaker 4: think would happen from there?
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  Speaker 2: I know he was going to take a golf club
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  Speaker 2: to me.
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  Speaker 1: Local gossip led police to a woman named Rebecca, who
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  Speaker 1: was Craig's ex-girlfriend. Their breakup may have been the source
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  Speaker 1: of the conflict between Craig and Bucky.
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  Speaker 4: You said you got a message from your sister?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Who's your sister?
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  Speaker 3: Elizabeth McLeod.
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  Speaker 4: How is she and McLeod?
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  Speaker 3: She's married to Craig's nephew, Keith. Well, the message she
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  Speaker 3: sent me was one she forwarded that Craig had sent her.
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  Speaker 3: I used to date Craig, and I guess where Bucky
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  Speaker 3: lives is like a neighbor to where me and Craig
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  Speaker 3: used to stay. Craig was setting my stuff up in
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  Speaker 3: Bucky's property.
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  Speaker 4: Say what?
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  Speaker 3: He was setting my stuff up on Bucky's property.
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  Speaker 4: What do you mean?
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  Speaker 3: When we broke up and he.
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  Speaker 4: He put your stuff on Bucky's property?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Bucky thought it was trash he was setting up there.
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  Speaker 3: So Bucky came out and was asking him to move
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  Speaker 3: his stuff. And Craig apparently messaged my sister forward to me.
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  Speaker 3: Craig was saying that he was going to go beat
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  Speaker 3: Bucky with the golf club for touching my stuff. And
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  Speaker 3: I didn't, I didn't know.
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  Speaker 2: When was this?
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  Speaker 3: My sister just forwarded the message to me today, but
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  Speaker 3: it would have been the day before Bucky went missing
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  Speaker 3: that Craig and him got into an argument and he
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  Speaker 3: was supposed to beat him with the golf club or
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  Speaker 3: whatever he, chase him with the golf club or however
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  Speaker 3: it was.
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  Speaker 4: I told her that you met.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I never even met Bucky before. Like, and then
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  Speaker 3: I heard where he was missing and And then my
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  Speaker 3: sister told me that, and I'm like, it kind of
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  Speaker 3: seemed weird that Craig said he was going to chase
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  Speaker 3: him to the golf club or hit him at the
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  Speaker 3: golf club, and then he's missing.
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  Speaker 1: As the rumors made their rounds, additional details made their
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  Speaker 1: way into the narrative. Some people had heard that Bucky
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  Speaker 1: had been killed somewhere near a place known as The
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  Speaker 1: Caves across from River Road. His killers were described as
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  Speaker 1: methed out. They had likely dumped him in the river,
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  Speaker 1: some said. Still, others had heard an even more gruesome tale.
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  Speaker 1: Someone known as Turtle was allegedly contacted by Chris the
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  Speaker 1: day after Bucky went missing. He allegedly wanted to know
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  Speaker 1: about borrowing his grinder. Those who caught wind of that
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  Speaker 1: story surmised that Bucky was now in pieces, buried in
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  Speaker 1: different locations across the county.
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  Speaker 13: What I was told was that somebody came here and
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  Speaker 13: told me that a storm got a hold of them
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  Speaker 13: and wanted them to help him.
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  Speaker 4: Who are they? He took a.
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  Speaker 12: Golf club and hit the guy in the head. He
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  Speaker 12: didn't intend to kill the guy. And he chopped him
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  Speaker 12: up and put him in different places. Who told you that?
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  Speaker 4: Somebody out of Tennessee.
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  Speaker 11: One of those rumors, except for, okay, well, Turtle, he
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  Speaker 11: told me that the day that he.
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  Speaker 14: Supposedly murdered Chris Thorne, they called him and asked him
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  Speaker 14: to use his grinder. I didn't think not always, I
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  Speaker 14: told him no, because, you know, I'm trusting he uses
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  Speaker 14: his teeth and everything else.
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  Speaker 11: But now he thinks he knows why, because he needed
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  Speaker 11: help with that.
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  Speaker 15: And then he's telling me, Then later on, he told
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  Speaker 15: him that he hit him with a golf club in
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  Speaker 15: the back of the head, or in the head, somewhere
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  Speaker 15: in the head, and that she didn't mean to kill him,
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  Speaker 15: that he hit him.
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  Speaker 11: To knock him out, and it killed him. I mean,
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  Speaker 11: I heard stuff, you know, rumors, but I don't know
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  Speaker 11: nothing for a fact.
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  Speaker 15: All I know is that Turtle said, hey, he called
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  Speaker 15: me one of those bars, grinder, or something.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Called you on your cell phone, and how did the
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  Speaker 3: conversation start?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know you did it, right?
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  Speaker 3: That's what she said. And did you know who she
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  Speaker 3: was talking about?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: How do you know who she's talking about?
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  Speaker 4: Because Chris is dirty.
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  Speaker 11: Okay.
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  Speaker 16: Well, when I first heard or seen her, you know,
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  Speaker 16: read about her or whatever, the first person I thought
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  Speaker 16: of was Craig McLeod.
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  Speaker 4: Because he never bought a lot.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 4: Nobody else, though? No. Well, Chris and Debbie.
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  Speaker 12: As the rumors continued, other names were thrown.
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  Speaker 2: Into the.
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  Speaker 11: Mix. Chris's wife, Debbie, was amongst those implicated.
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  Speaker 1: Almost every witness approached by police prefaced their information by
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  Speaker 1: stating they had heard only rumors, not facts. Nonetheless, as
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  Speaker 1: more and more individuals reached the same conclusion, a confidence
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  Speaker 1: developed around these allegations, an unsupported yet unflinching certainty that
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  Speaker 1: many in the community knew what must have happened to
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  Speaker 1: Bucky Barlow.
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  Speaker 3: Like five guys jumped Chris yesterday trying to blame him
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  Speaker 3: for shit I.
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  Speaker 2: Never get to hear.
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  Speaker 4: Like what?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know something about some guy missing in a truck.
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  Speaker 2: Hold on.
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  Speaker 5: The guy's name is Bob Barlow. And I guess he's
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  Speaker 5: an older man and he's missing.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. So after this.
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  Speaker 5: Guy picked up a tire, he picked up a, what's
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  Speaker 5: it called? A floor jack and hit my husband across
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  Speaker 5: the face with it.
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  Speaker 4: That was today?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: So why do you think that Robbie Wiles hit Chris
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  Speaker 4: with a floor jack?
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  Speaker 2: I have no clue. Oh, no, I do have a point.
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  Speaker 5: Chris was at one of our friends, and they were
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  Speaker 5: working on their truck, and some boy named Hunter said
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  Speaker 5: that my husband killed somebody.
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  Speaker 3: My husband did not kill anybody.
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  Speaker 2: That's funny.
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  Speaker 1: Independent efforts were made to obtain confessions from the community's
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  Speaker 1: prime suspects.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I don't like this. I mean, nobody here does,
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  Speaker 2: to be honest with you.
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  Speaker 16: He's the culprit. I'm going to make sure we just stop.
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  Speaker 16: By the way he's acting, he's guilty. So, we're about
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  Speaker 16: to go find out here in a little bit. If
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  Speaker 16: I can send you a mail, I will.
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  Speaker 2: I'll call you. Is there any way you can record it?
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  Speaker 17: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Do you have a recorder?
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  Speaker 2: I got a cell phone. Does it record? Like an
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: audio recorder? Why don't you do that? All right. The
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: whole conversation? I'll just see it recording when I get there.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:57
  Speaker 10: Would it not let God if you get your phone
• 18:58
  Speaker 10: out and then hit record, put your pocket in there?
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: So tell me about killing Bucky here. If you kill Bucky,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: you might be thinking he's a badass. You know what
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: I mean? I'm not worried.
• 19:10
  Speaker 16: I think he's guilty, honest to God. I don't know
• 19:13
  Speaker 16: how or why, but... No, I see him as a stupid,
• 19:17
  Speaker 16: punk-ass killer.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Ronnie Rager had offered to split the reward money for
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: locating Bucky with Chris Thorne if Chris would just admit
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: to what he did and where Bucky was. But Chris
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: denied any knowledge of or any involvement in the disappearance.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: He told Ronnie that he had no idea where Bucky
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Barlow was. At just past 9am on June 8th, just
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: over a week after Bucky disappeared, the County Sheriff's Office
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: received a phone call from a small group of hunters
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: who had spotted what they believed was a body floating
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: face down in the river. Pat Zukowski stated that he
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: and his grandson, Braden, spotted a body lying in the
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: creek bed. It was roughly 80 yards downstream from the bridge.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: They went to the nearest home in the area and
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: alerted the homeowner.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: He's the one that's missing. So that's kind of where
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: we were heading.
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: That's why everybody's just all going to converge at one
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: time and we'll look at it one time.
• 20:24
  Speaker 10: If you guys don't mind, you guys have IDs handy
• 20:26
  Speaker 10: so I can get, make sure everybody that's.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: Witness can, I can.
• 20:29
  Speaker 10: Well, I pretty well.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Know who you are.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Deputies made their way down the river. The body was shirtless.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Jeans were around the ankles. Boots were on. The body
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: was unfortunately too decomposed to formally make an identification on site,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: though Pat reported that he had known Bucky Barlow for ages,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: and the man they found matched his build. Then, a
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: shirt lodged underneath a fallen log near to the recovery
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: site in the river was pulled from the water. The
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: blue and white striped shirt had two chest patches, one read,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Hillside Trucking, the other, Phillip. They had found Philip Bucky Barlow.
• 21:23
  Speaker 11: That's his name.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: Call Travis and let him know his name's on it.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: The cause of death was a deep laceration to the neck.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: A knife or another blade had been the murder weapon.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: it had not been recovered. Captain Titchenell concluded that wherever
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Bucky had been murdered, there would have been a substantial
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: amount of blood. Police searching the river near to where
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: he was found did not identify a likely murder scene nearby.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: The same was true for the first location where Bucky's
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: truck had been recovered by the side of the road.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: In the truck itself, there was blood in the middle
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: to the right of the back seat. On the exterior
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: door handles, front driver and passenger seats, center console, steering wheel,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: and the gear shift. However, the analysis concluded that with
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: the amount of blood loss apparently suffered by Bucky, it
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: was extremely unlikely that he had been killed inside the truck.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Zip ties located on the ground outside near to his
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: house suggested he could have been bound and transported elsewhere
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: in his own pickup before he was placed in the
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: river and the truck set on fire. Investigators spoke with
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: both Craig McLeod and Chris Thorne, as well as others
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: who had been implicated in the rumor mill by association.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: They executed search warrants, pulled phone data, and verified alibis.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: To the extent that they uncovered any verifiable evidence, it
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: supported their claim of innocence. It was also now clear
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: that Bucky had not been killed by a golf club,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: nor had the killer utilized a grinder. Months passed with
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: little progress made in the investigation. Then, in January 2020,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Captain Titchenell went back through the files compiled in the
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: initial days of the investigation. He reviewed everything, including witness
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: statements and body cam footage. That is when he began
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: to closely scrutinize the recorded statements of Bucky's immediate next-door neighbors,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Laura Martin, and Bobby Quinn. The couple first spoke with
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: a deputy on May 29th. They did so again in mid-July.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: What Tichnell noted was that they both, to some degree,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: spontaneously claimed that they didn't hear anything that night because
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: of their air conditioner unit running. They always had it
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: on full blast, they said. Except the day the truck
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: was found, they did not mention an AC unit at all.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: That day, they stated it was the noise from their
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: washing machine that had blocked all sound from outside. So,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: the captain spoke with Mary Butler, who had arrived back
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: at the house next to Laura and Quinn's just after
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Bucky went missing. Mary was positive that no air conditioner
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: unit was installed in their south-facing window when she returned
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: from Indiana. She knew it was about late June or
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: early July before the AC was put in the window.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: This small inconsistency was not much to go on. That is,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: until the captain also learned that the couple did not
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: own a washing machine either.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: Well, thank you very much. I'll get out of your
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: way in just a second, guys.
• 24:56
  Speaker 11: Thanks.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Laura and Quinn's alibi was chased down. Family members who
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: were meant to have been working on a truck with
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Quinn could not recall if they had been doing so
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: on the day and night in question, as he asserted.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Laura's grandmother could not confirm their presence at her home either,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: though these were the locations the couple claimed to have
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: been on the night Bucky disappeared. While interviewing their family members,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: police were told one more story about what had allegedly
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: happened to Bucky Barlow, and this one rang true. They
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: were told that Laura had confessed to the murder. She
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: told a family member that she and Quinn heard that
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: their neighbor had money. They staged a robbery with BB
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: guns outside his house, only to learn that Bucky only
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: had $ 50 in cash on him. So, they killed him.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: In the spring of 2020, Laura Martin and Robert Quinn
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: were in custody in a Maryland jail following their arrest
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: for a series of storage building break-ins. From Preston County,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: their communication was monitored. Would one of them slip up
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: and speak about the murder on a recorded line? While
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Laura was never caught making any incriminating statements, she was
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: recorded having extensive, at times explicit, conversations with a man
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: that was not Bobby Quinn. To that point, Quinn had
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: denied any involvement in Bucky's murder. After he was played
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: some of Laura's recorded phone calls, however, proving her unfaithfulness
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: to him, Quinn began to talk. And he placed the
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: blame for the murder on Laura. Quinn offered to take
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: investigators to the locations where the robbery, kidnapping, and murder
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: took place.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: It was Quinn, right?
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: Okay, thank you.
• 27:04
  Speaker 11: I'm terrible with names. I'll remember your face forever.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:07
  Speaker 11: Terrible with names. Step to your left just a little bit.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Quinn told investigators that it was Laura's idea to rob Bucky.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: She waited outside his door for him to exit for work.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: When he came out, she attacked him, and a struggle ensued.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Only then did Quinn step in. The two of them
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: then forced Bucky into his own truck. They traveled to
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: an area known as Fortney Mills where there was a
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: swimming hole. The water falls below a bridge over the
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Three Fork Creek. Laura forced Bucky to walk down under
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: the bridge.
• 27:43
  Speaker 11: She told him to give him your wallet. She said
• 27:51
  Speaker 11: give him the wallet?
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:52
  Speaker 11: And what else?
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: His money.
• 27:54
  Speaker 12: Okay.
• 27:55
  Speaker 11: Where was Laura standing at this time?
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 27:57
  Speaker 11: Right where I'm standing?
• 27:59
  Speaker 12: Okay.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Where were you standing?
• 28:01
  Speaker 16: I was standing pretty much where he's at.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: According to Quinn, Laura threw Bucky's wallet into the river
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: and told him to get on his knees after she
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: put him in the water.
• 28:15
  Speaker 11: He was on his knees at this time?
• 28:17
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 28:17
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 28:18
  Speaker 11: Did he resist going down on his knees?
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: No.
• 28:21
  Speaker 12: Okay.
• 28:22
  Speaker 17: Then.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: The specifics in Quinn's version of events changed several times.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: The one constant was his attempt to put the majority
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: of the blame on his former partner, Laura Martin.
• 28:41
  Speaker 11: Now, did you see her shoving him into the water? No.
• 28:44
  Speaker 12: Okay.
• 28:44
  Speaker 11: You just assumed that she did?
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:46
  Speaker 15: Did you ever ask her what she did with him?
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: She said, well, he's in the water now, we'll get
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: back on. Okay.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Quinn explained that after dumping the truck and setting it
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: on fire, they walked to the home of one of
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Laura's family members where they took his keys. They drove
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: the vehicle back to their home, changed into fresh clothes,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: and then drove down River Road near the caves. There,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: they burned any evidence that remained, including their dirty clothing.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Quinn said that he did not have any blood on
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: him at all, but burned his clothing as well because
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: he was scared.
• 29:24
  Speaker 13: Laura.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: The last stop on Bobby Quinn's confession tour was the
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: location where it all began, on number four road where
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: they had lived. Quinn reiterated that he watched from the
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: window as Laura attempted to rob Bucky. Quinn explained that
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Laura took his wallet at that point, apparently forgetting that
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: he had already included this detail in his account of
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: what had occurred at Fortney Mills by the water.
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: Now, earlier down at the stream, you told us that
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: he reached behind him when he was sitting on that
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: ledge to give.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Her his wallet.
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 30:02
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Hey, Bobby, come on. You just told us you gave
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: the wallet to her twice. Well, your version of.
• 30:07
  Speaker 11: This story has changed six times just since we've been here.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: They told her, she told him to give me my wallet.
• 30:20
  Speaker 11: You were here when this.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Started, right?
• 30:21
  Speaker 11: Yeah, you were.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: You were.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was there, right?
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: You were down here.
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 30:28
  Speaker 11: There's just no doubt about that.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I come down after I seen her hitting. Yeah,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: I was here.
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: You would not send your woman out to fight with
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: a full-blown man by herself to try and rob her.
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: I don't think that anybody would stand in the window
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: and watch from 100-ish yards away while their woman went
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: out to.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Laura Martin also agreed to share her version of events
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: with Captain Titchenell. She was not aware that Bobby Quinn
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: had decided to talk. By extension, she did not know
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: that he had implicated her almost exclusively in the murder. However,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: she was still under pressure to come clean. Not only
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: had a family member recounted her alleged confession... but an
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: ex-cellmate had similarly told law enforcement that she had confessed
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: to her as well. That cellmate recounted disturbing details of
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: how Bucky's throat was cut. She quoted Laura describing him
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: trying to speak afterwards. He made a gurgling sound that
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: she said she would like to hear again. Laura apparently
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: said it was the coolest thing he had ever heard.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: After she killed him, still with Bucky's blood on her hands,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: They took out his lunch and ate the sandwiches that
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: he had packed for work that night. Tichnell determined that
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: the cellmate's account was credible. She included details such as
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: the nature of the injuries Bucky incurred to be facts
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: that only a person involved would have known.
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: Does Bobby even cooperate with you guys?
• 32:05
  Speaker 9: I don't know, ma'am.
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: I was asked to kind of stay out late after
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: my shift to ride around with you guys, and that's
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: about it.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: You know, he's taking me down there. Down? To the bridge.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Laura said that the two of them jumped out at
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Bucky in the dark with BB guns that they hoped
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: would pass for real firearms. Bucky immediately put up a fight,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: she said, and he kept getting his licks in even
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: after they forced him into the truck. They attempted to
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: bind his hands with zip ties, but he broke free.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: They wore masks that covered most of their faces and
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: gloves they purchased from Walmart. Despite their disguise once in
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: the truck, Bucky declared that he knew exactly who they were.
• 32:50
  Speaker 17: So that's kind of one of the parts that I'm
• 32:53
  Speaker 17: a little bit trying to get my head wrapped around.
• 32:57
  Speaker 17: Guy's walking out, gets a gun shoved in his face,
• 33:01
  Speaker 17: gets attacked, tries to be bound with zip ties, and
• 33:07
  Speaker 17: then he's just kind of, fine, I'll.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Go with you.
• 33:09
  Speaker 17: It seems like we're At Fortney Mills, Laura said Bucky
• 33:12
  Speaker 17: fought with Quinn before he was killed.
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: Her former partner had used a box cutter, which they
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: subsequently lost. It had likely fallen into the river during
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: the course of the murder, or in.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Rolling Bucky into the water.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: She claimed to have fought to save him in the
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: final moments, but she had not been successful.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: Do you think Bucky was dead at that point already?
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Was he still moving at all?
• 34:11
  Speaker 13: No, okay.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: He was really white.
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 34:14
  Speaker 17: I'm kind of having trouble getting my mind wrapped around
• 34:16
  Speaker 17: something that you said a few times that Bucky put up.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: A hell of a fight. Yeah.
• 34:21
  Speaker 11: I think it was where he got his licks in.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:23
  Speaker 17: But then he gets down here with a gun to
• 34:27
  Speaker 17: his head of the vehicle, comes down here, and then
• 34:30
  Speaker 17: just submits to get on his knees.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: You've got to know that he's going to be murdered.
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: They scoffed.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: They fought back and forth. Mommy's son got knocked away
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: by them.
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: Um, and then Bobby pulled out the box cutter and said,
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: you know, if I'm going.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: To fight, you're going to die. And I just aspirated.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: I was like, what the fuck.
• 34:51
  Speaker 8: Do you mean?
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: And Bobby started freaking out. He was like, he knows
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: who we are. He knows who we are.
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: He was like, I want to say nothing.
• 34:58
  Speaker 8: I want to say nothing.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: I want to hear the words.
• 35:01
  Speaker 8: And I was just like, let him do the work.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: If he says something, if it's a burglary or a robbery,
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: it's not a death.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Despite their claims of regret and blaming one another, Laura
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Martin and Robert Quinn were each sentenced to life plus
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: 180 years in prison for robbery, kidnapping, and murder. They
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: each entered into plea agreements for first-degree murder and first-degree robbery.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: The agreement was that they would receive life with a
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: recommendation of mercy, meaning they could apply for parole after
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: just 15 years on the murder charge. But the judge
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: sentenced each to 180 years for the robbery to run
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: consecutive with the life sentence, rendering the agreement completely moot.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: The couple said the robbery was motivated by necessity. They
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: needed cash because their electricity was going to be turned
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: off for lack of payment. Upon sentencing, Bucky's siblings told
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: the court that his last dream had been to retire,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: a goal he had spent his entire life working towards.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: His killers had taken that from him. And that was
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: the tragic case of Philip Bucky Barlow. Thank you for
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: joining me, and a special thank you this week to
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: our newest Sherlock Holmes members. Thank you all for being
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: here with us. I'm Kevin, this is Just Thought Lounge,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: and I'll see you in the next one.
• 36:53
  Speaker 11: You see how Newton got his back. Yeah, the content
• 36:56
  Speaker 11: that you need. This could be a new sign.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: We talk in the comments.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: They jot in a few lines. Tune in the headlight.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: Love that.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: It's too kind.
• 37:02
  Speaker 11: Feels like the whole world is online for true crime.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: Watch them on the run, but it's not a race.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: Really hard to disappear.
• 37:08
  Speaker 11: Proof without a trace.
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: Sherlock Holmes with it. I put you in your place.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Got my smoking pipe.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Only right.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: I crack another case like.
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: I need that feeling that you brought.
• 37:20
  Speaker 11: Who learned the lesson that you taught?