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Episode 256: The Game (SG-A 3.15) · Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast

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Get into Gate episode two hundred and fifty six, talking some Stargates at Atlantis.
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Mitch here throwing it over to Maddy, Hello, what's up? Hello?
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And Brendan Hello, mate, yaya buddy? Back to it now,
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this is the Atlantis we're talking about, the game, which I was actually
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watching on my way to a football game. Hardly enough because I just can't
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even help myself. That was great the game and uh driving while driving?
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Now I was actually was I was in a playing guys in a traveler,
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you know what. Actually a basketball man Sidney a little just a little quick
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one could barely get in a forty two minute episode of Stargate. Obviously I
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could because I don't listen to to airline rules not put my laptop away?
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What are you joking? What's this going to bring the plane down? Is
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it watching a season three episode of Stargate? Not one, not one?
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This but concious? Sorry? Just how what points stripped away from me?
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Great? Fantastic. Here's a list of all the planes that have cracked.
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Yeah, sorry, guys, I've been canceled now. Didn't do my research.
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All right, let's just crack into the synopsis. See what this bad
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boy is all about Lawn. He's certainly never been mentioned first up, and
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the discovers a planet with dozens of satellites in orbits. However, inhabitants on
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this planet and no further advanced than the Renaissance and have a flag with McKay's
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face. The team realize again they had found earlier might be more than a
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game. Indeed, it is ship. Shepherd's people, McCay's people say this
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that you can tell that like Lawn isn't a main character, because it's like
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if that was like a main character to discovering that they would go and investigate.
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Yeah, yeah, what is Laundry's like, I'm reporting this straight away.
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I'm not even getting involved with this ship. Yeah, mom, it
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was Friday. Do they operate in different weeks, you know, like someone's
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Monday to Friday, someone else's like Wednesday to Sunday. So maybe he's getting
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end he's working with me, and he's just like, guys, I'm not
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Yeah, I get to all for this year. I'm going to go golf
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balls into the ocean this Yeah, yeah, I've got a thing on So
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I well, this is my first time watching this, and I I yeah,
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I actually really dug the idea of this. I mean, obviously,
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this whole series franchise is all about the idea of false gods and people's like,
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you know, influence on others and things, and usually that's been in
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the form of bad guys like the Gould and all that sort of stuff,
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obviously, but I like the idea that these guys just sitting down playing the
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sims essentially a little bit of Age of Empires or something, and then all
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of a sudden it's like, oh, no, no, no, you're
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you're you're quite the influence of these other people and just how far. And
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it was. It was a bit of a frustrating episode because when you get
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like two thirds the way through it and how McKay and Shephard, knowing that
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its real life, was still like they couldn't help but like keep that banter
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going. It's like, you know, you're right, you're swearing in front
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of the Children's like you're trying to get the children to stop swearing, but
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you can't help but sit there and swear about the fact that you're swearing in
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front of the kids, and they just keep putting I'm like, what this
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is? It was, and then obviously the other mob took it away and
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took it further and stuff. But I like the idea of this episode,
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like it was a different way of like someone playing god to others and the
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bad stuff that can come from that in a different way. And the fact
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that it was Atlanta's galaxy so we could play with really high tech technology and
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how that might have been possible. So yeah, And they kind of set
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it up in that opening scene where like they essentially are talking directly down the
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lens to us when they're describing the trolley problem. Yeah. Yeah, and
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then kind of this is an extension of that. It's like, you know,
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well, at what point, you know, do you choose to interfere
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and what choice do you make? And there's no right or wrong answer.
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It's just well there is if you ronin just the people like easy, It's
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like no, but they have to be there. Roan's like, I don't
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know how I can done this down anymore than these people have to be at
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risk of dying. There is a baby on the tracksit why would you put
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it there? It's not Roaned. It's not the point mate, Like pretend
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like you've just woken up and that's there. What do you do. Yeah,
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yeah, yeah, pretend you're in a Saw trap and then you've got
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to explain the Saw movies to Ronan and he's like, what are you talking
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about? Yeah, maybe asking you about the sword. Don't ask me,
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because I would have to give him like ten movies, a franchise and mythology
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and well, if you watch number five then actually takes place before number one.
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Yeah. Yeah, he'd just be like, why don't you just punch
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the doll? Like, and this is from someone who's never seen a Saw
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film, So that's all I know, basically explained by Yeah, it's it's
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a it's a retelling of the Simpson's Treehouse of Horror where a Krusty the Clown
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doll. Yeah, it's just terrorizing people. That's what I assume. The
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Saw franchise is that. And it's got you know, the male lead from
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The Gilmore Girls of course, yes, as An. Well he's not an
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appt cop, but he is there. Yeah, it's good. That's sore
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explained. Check out our extended version that's definitely not going up where you can
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listen to the rest of that chat. Yeah. I just like that they're
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acting like children just to really enjoy it. And then they double down with
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it with the lawn Zelenka doing the exact same thing. Yeah, which apparently
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was added later, like that was added for time this episode came up short.
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So the whole thing with Zelenka and and Lawn basically getting to do the
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same thing was just like, yeah, we'll just add that in. That'll
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be fine. I do have I do have a note here. Look,
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you guys know, like I'm pretty you know, I'm pretty methodical with my
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notes, with my notebook and all stuff. It's you know, it's all
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generally the same vibe. Every time. I did write myself a little post
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it just to prepare myself for this episode. Mitch, can you just read
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what that post it says? Almost yeah that I've just put on this episode.
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I mean, could we say do it now or save it for later?
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No? No, do it now? Okay, this is a the
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box of shame for me. No no, no, no no, And
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it is going to go hard in on weir and here we that. I
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just I just you was going to go in. Look before before you go
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in, before you go in. I want to jesus, I just want
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to. I just want to put put my shields up. Put my barriers
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up and just preface everything you're about to say for the rest of the podcast
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with this one little snippet from the audio commentary, which will basically retroactively help
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any episode ever not for me think Tori should be supposed to be better negotiated
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than to let these two run on like this necessary though it's necessary, Though
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it is necessary. Is that good at her job? Then there'd be no
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conflict in the episode. So you've got to let it not be good.
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Not really, hey, let women be not good at their jobs. They
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have a right, they have a right. It's just as lazy as we
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are. And that is we stand by that. Here it again. I
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bet you we doesn't google shit. No she didn't. Really, I don't
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have it wasn't that huge. Then. I wish I had an example.
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I wish my brain worked this quickly when I need it to. And I'm
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sure I'll get back to you in you know, ten to twelve business days.
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But like I, there will come a time, Maddie where you will
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be coming at me about a character's decisions in a show that you don't like,
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and I'll and like that. I think that's just not well. We
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need she we we've written her the character is the world's greatest negotiator. We
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send her into conflict zones. But we now that's her backstory now that we've
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brought her in, we need her to be terrible at her job, otherwise
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she would fix all the problems. Yeah, it's the same reason. It's
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like, well, like a puddle jumper can have weapons or a cloak,
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you can't have them both at the same time or to be too powerful.
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Wea is, but we went into this show a puddle jumper with a cloak
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and weapons, and they're like, well, we can't want to have both
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at the same time. So I feel like the puddle jumper we can get
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away with because like that's alien technology we don't understand, like we're as a
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human person with a human sort of doesn't understand. They're both fictional things made
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up for the show, you know. And they said, well, we're
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going to create this puddle jump and there's amazing ship that can do everything we
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need it to, but we don't want to be too powerful, so it
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won't be able to fire weapons and be cloaked at the same time, or
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it's invincible, yeah, or give it hyperspace, so it's like, well,
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were is invincible, but she can't use all her powers at once,
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just the main power, Yeah, just being a leader, just being you
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know, So could they could they have had her? Like I don't know
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why she would have to leave, but like would that have been better for
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this story than to take if she could have been the person, like by
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what we know about her to fix this. This is what she's there for,
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Like why we brought her into the SGC in the first place and given
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her the Hey, we'll give you the Atlantis thing, because we want you
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to be this great negotiate, a communicator. Finally, here we have conflicts
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going on, conflict either that we've created or not with two other people.
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It's not us in the Wraith or us in the Jani, it's two other
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people. We're going to do what we've done with you, and we've sent
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you into the Middle East, we've sent you into Europe somewhere to come with
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two conflicting nations. If we were would have removed her, like she's had
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to go back on the deadalust to Earth or she's jumped into the gate because
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she's had to go back to the SGC for whatever reason. Do we like,
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oh, if only Elizabeth was is that better? Said? For?
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This should have not been there, so we missed her instead of her being
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there. That would have been a great test because then we get to this
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episode where where Brendan comes in and going, you know what, I never
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thought I'd say this, but damito, which where was there? Like,
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imagine, she's the Earth's best Republican I guess come on which side? Democrat?
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Yeah, you're right thinking about Australian Kim Yah Kinsey is the Republican,
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the greatest Democrat diplomat that we have, and all she has to do is
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just get too less advanced people to agree to a piece, and that in
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itself, I think her getting to that position was actually the reason why she's
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stuffed up. I think she could have handled it differently, saying go there,
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get some intel on the planet, Like we know we've stuffed around with
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them. Go there, get the intel. Come back, we'll send them.
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We'll decide, you know, to actually send it through the computer because
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they're not kind of listening to you used to do it on the ground.
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I said that through the whole episode, it's like, yeah, why are
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they doing this? Is that if that computer can influence their hairstyles. Yeah,
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you know, it can influence them enough to be like, I'm going
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to cut my hair like this. Surely, yeah they could just yeah,
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like whle McKay and Shepherd are like dealing with them face to face, you
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know, we're and lawn and Zelenka can be over there, just like with
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the computer program. Yeah, and like subtly influencing them that way to make
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it seem like it's their own decision. I don't have my dad all the
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time. Like I will have an idea at work and he'll go, nah,
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we're not going to do that, And then about three weeks later,
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he'll bring that same idea to me as if it was his idea. And
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that's really cool. It's not what you ask weeks later, it's their idea.
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You can do that to your boss everyone. Actually. Yeah, but
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I just felt like they should have just gathered the intel and then just entered
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in how to fix it or go back to where they were. Yeah,
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I think it. I think on a larger scale, this is a good
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representation of I think why Atlantis only ran half as long as SG one.
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I think, you know, because it's bad. Yeah, I think till
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next week the mate mate, what s g one? Okay, I mean
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next Atlantis Atlanta. It's like, like, please, I think We're Weir's
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character almost would have been better as a member of the team as a man.
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No, God, no. Like the show's obviously changed a lot since
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season one, like we've we've we got rid of Ford and brought in Ronan.
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So I think if there was a way, like if they'd have thought
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of that to begin with. Obviously they didn't want to you know, copy
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the Teal character too much, but if you think about imagine if Taylor's character
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and Weir's character were kind of combined or you just gave that negotiating kind of
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ability to Taylor, and then the quote unquote based commander was was less involved.
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Like I feel like We're is much more involved and has a lot more
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screen time than Hammond ever did. Yeah, So like if the you know,
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base commander only had just like that scene at the at the top of
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the episode and the scene in the bottom of the episode, and that negotiating
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power was something that you know, Taylor had, which I think she really
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technically kind of does because she's a leader of her people and she's very level
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headed and every character that they come across who's angry, she's always there to
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try and calm down, or yeah, yeah, I can feel a peace
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like Michael, And Yeah, then I think it could be a little more
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SG early SG one ish, where it's like, yeah, the whole episode
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could have just taken place on the planet. We didn't have to go back
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to Atlantis and sort of have all the negotiations and stuff going on there.
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So I think it's yeah, it's just I mean I've said it from the
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start of the show, like they just took all the same elements from like
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the main five characters from SG one and just you know, put him into
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a into a into a hat and just pulled out different things. All this
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character is going to be three parts of this person, two parts that person.
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But I think, yeah, the the mix was a little bit off
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compared to SG one, a little one sided. Yeah, Rodney Rodney basically
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is all of SG one combined by the end. Yeah yeah, yeah,
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yeah, he's I mean, he's still not the best army guy, but
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yeah, he knows ancient better than Daniel Jackson. He's smarter than Samantha Carter
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in this universe. But you know, yeah, by the end of it,
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it's like, dude, he can just they just write him to do
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anything. Yeah, I feel like I feel like them going in and telling
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the people that they were the gods was a big mistake because we we've seen
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that in SG one where we're going, your gods aren't real. They don't
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believe you. Yeah, I mean granted that he gave them their image,
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but it's like, yeah, but then they don't listen to him anyways.
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Yeah, why did you tell them? Yeah, like they literally had pictures
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of like Rodney up on the walls, like you know, so we were
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stuff. Yeah, It's like, I wonder what this episode could have been,
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Like I still enjoy this episode, but I wonder maybe if it was
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like an Atlanta's version of the other guys and we didn't actually get the mate.
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Atlanta's team for most of the episode was like Lawn and it was Lawn's
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team, and it was Lawne's team trying to you know, because they're like,
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oh, we can't actually like walk Rudden into the room so they can
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see them, they're gonna freak the out. So it's like, let's let's
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do it this way, and yes, see, like what the b team
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would do in this situation where they're trying to clean up a mess made by
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the A team could be an interesting story to tell. Yeah. Yeah,
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Like like Brendan said, especially they walk in and they they bring him back
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right then, they probably old love with the carter hair. They bring her
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back to Atlantis righting. Hey, look see this is like you guys at
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this computer, like you're essentially a simulation, but you're not. But so
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anyway, you're on your own. So I think that's where it probably freaked
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them out because they're like, we've been getting orders from this thing. It's
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been awesome, and now you're saying none of that's real. Yeah, you're
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on your own, and you like and they're probably just shit scared so they
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just going to go to war with each other. But also didn't like the
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whole ruse with the with the earth ship coming and bombing their village. I
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didn't understand that, Yeah you got to be I'm just like, how far
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down the line of you where you're bombing a village? Yeah, like we'd
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what it was basically her decision right to send these. I thought it was
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like John's idea and she just kind of rubber standing it and went Okay,
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it was his idea to do this whole bluff. But yeah, it's like,
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if you're going to launch, just just have them detonating the atmosphere rather
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than there's like that's that's a lot when you've when you've got this magical book
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like book desk that can influence them. It's because I think she put a
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solid band on it from touching it again, which is fine until you gather
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that intel from the planet and you're like, they're not listening to us.
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Let's just start feeding them information to try and get them back to that peaceful
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yeah. Yeah, or combine them as one nation. Yeah, but you're
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right, like even bringing Rodney in because I guess he was the only one
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that knew the face of wouldn't isn't necessarily the worst of you. Definitely don't
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do it straight up, like go in there as the other three. Yeah,
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that's right, and be like yeah exactly, instead of try and convince
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them, hey, this isn't real. You know, we we we speak
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to this god so and he's told us to come in and tell you.
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And then when they don't believe him, then make Rodney go and make all
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the changes on the computer and you know, and and take steps because yeah,
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by the end of it, they're just chasing their tail. And you
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know when yeah, it's out of the Pandora's out of the box and speak
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Yeah, because I mean that that, I mean they didn't lean too heavily
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into it, which I liked, like it wasn't too sort of on the
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nose. But it's like that computer device is allegorically the Bible. Yeah,
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you know, and it's like, imagine, imagine if you know, suddenly
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our Bible could we like the Christian Bible could suddenly there were edits because you
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know, this omnip was just like, oh, I've fed up. Okay,
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let me just let me just control based and I'll just edit a few
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things in here to influence then everyone's decisions. But then yeah, you're right
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me just like, well, then you if you have a guy that is
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Jesus, you don't bring him in in the first meeting. You hold him
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back. You're like, we can just edit this through the book if we
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can just you know, make some change and you guys can sort of decide
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to think for yourselves. That would be great, but we'll save that as
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as the aceps sleep and then they didn't. Well yeah, and you talk
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it like well once they came in and they go, hey, stop,
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so you know now that you know this is fake sort of okay, just
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stop what we're doing, you know, just just go back to peace times,
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just like well, all the conflicts that have arisen in our real world.
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Yeah, like imagine all of a sudden, we some some person comes
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along a bit of the Bible of like I don't know how to break this
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down for you, like your Bible, the Qur'an whatever, like all one
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hundred different, thousand, different varieties all this. I'm sorry, guys,
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all this is wrong. You've been fighting over the wrong things. None of
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this is real. So anyway, if you could just all stop like judging
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and hating each other over this, that'd be great. Okay, bye,
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what are we gonna do? We are those children, we would only be
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able to It wouldn't work. It's all we've ever been doing. Like yeah,
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because you have to factor in the history onics of it. It's like,
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yeah, on a on a philosophical level and just like an what it
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would you call it, like a educational level. So so yeah, that's
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that's fine. But when you factor in the fact that like, yeah,
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like the two leaders of these nations had a history where, like you know,
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they'd done some shitty shety stuff to each other in the past, and
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it's like, well you okay, Like even if you say we should just
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be getting along, I can't forget the way this person betrayed me or you
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know, or lied to me or did something dishonest, and then that that
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skews the way they that interpret these new instructions. Yeah. So it was
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funny how the Carter woman had the very similar ideals to McKay for obvious reasons,
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but it was just nice. It was funny to see that for me,
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for her to be like and even mcau come on, you can't be
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a big dose of your medicine there, McKay. Yeah, exactly. She's
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just so stubborn. Did you recognize her Mitchell? I did. I'm just
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I'm on her IMDb at the moment, and she did a bunch of episodes
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of twenty four that's where I know her from. Yeah, she was set.
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I want to say the second season, and I want to say the
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love interest of Jack Bower keep for Sutherland and Warner. She was the youngest
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sister and she was kind of like on the outskirts of being involved in this
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sort of terrorist conspiracy, and she was kind of the same sort of character
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in the sense that she believed a certain thing. She'd sort of been corrupted,
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obviously a little bit more evil from the get go in something like twenty
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four, but then she was you know, shown the way and and and
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trying to be influenced by her nicer older sister in that show, like hey,
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no, you're wrong, this is what you should be doing, and
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she's too far gone. But even though she like she was so strong in
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her beliefs, and then it was very clearly shown that she was wrong and
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the people that had promised her things were lying to her and they were going
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to kill her at the end of what she was too far gone on her
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beliefs, and it was just annoying as a viewer, going, it's right
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there. You think it's nighttime, but they've opened the door and you can
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see the suns out. She's like, I believe, I still believe it's
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night and it's so annoying as a viewer. And it was kind of the
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same as this, like she was so far gone, too far gone on
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her beliefs and what Rodney had been teaching them for the last what was it
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two years or whatever, and was just like, now this this is I
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don't know what to tell you. Like we were one way, we were
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kind of rudderless, but we had a bit of a like you said,
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a bit of a thing against them, and now they've shown us that no,
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we could win, we could be better if we did these other things.
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And even if you're coming down me tell you're a false god. Well,
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I loved what you said before you said that, so I'm just going
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to forget that you ever said the second thing. And it was just frustrating
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as a as a viewer. But then so was old mate that come in
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from the other tribe with you know, that was a bit more gung ho
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about it, and you know they'd been he was very war based, but
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then she'd been created bombs and it was you know, I got when I
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got out of the control of the of the of the SG team and it
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was finally in my viewing because I was watching on plane. I had to
22:08
actually turn it off, you know, with about fifteen to go or ten
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minutes to go or something in the episode when it was very much the okay,
22:15
the bombs, Okay, well then we'll go send out our planes,
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you know, the puddle jumper to kill those you know, to stop those
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bombs of the balloons. Whatever was going on, and it was sort of
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back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. And then when
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I went to resume I watched the next day, I forgot exactly where I
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was, like, you know, it was the twenty eight minute mark,
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was that thirty two minute mark or something, And I went back and I'm
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like, this is exactly where I was watching from. And it wasn't until
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three or four minutes later that I realized I'd already watched that three or four
22:41
minutes. But it still felt like, Okay, well, Maddi's Seem did
22:42
something, then Brendan Seem did something, Then Maddi's Seemed did something, then
22:45
Brendan Seemed did something, and I'm like it just felt like that was just
22:48
it just kept going like it was kind of repetitive anyway. But then rewatching
22:52
it, I was so lost in the in the repetition that was already existed
22:56
in the episode. I'd made my own extra repetition and I'm like, well
22:59
that kind of still made sense, like it was just as frustrating watching these
23:02
people make dumb decisions that were going to kill their own people, absolutely no
23:07
way achieve any kind of piece that they both thought, which I guess is
23:10
a good look at any war that is, what's going on in any argument
23:12
and disagreement that's going on, God, American politics, what's going to go
23:15
on for the next couple of months over there. So like a frustrating episode
23:21
because I think of how much I enjoyed the concept of this, and yeah,
23:25
the concept was really cool. A lot of the early execution I really
23:27
enjoyed, but yeah, there was a lot of repetition of yeah, those
23:32
two leaders just being really belligerent and not willing to listen. And then I
23:34
think the most egregious thing for me is was the ending, Like there was
23:40
kind of a light kind of ending to it, and then it appeared as
23:44
though Shepherd and Mackay hadn't actually learned anything from this this experience, Like they're
23:48
like, oh, we're just going to go and play chess, but we're
23:52
still going to be bickering and fighting in the exact same way. And it's
23:56
just like, oh, but when you were doing it with the game you
23:59
didn't know real people were involved far as you know that chess is there's sension
24:03
people living on living in those chess as far as you know, mate,
24:06
Like, so yeah, I just didn't. I mean you could kind of
24:08
say, okay, well that's that was it, throwing back to the trolley
24:11
problem, where you know, there is no quote unquote right answer to the
24:15
trolley problem. But I wish maybe there would have been some kind of double
24:21
down on that or at least yeah, like McKay and Shepherd at least acknowledged
24:26
or maybe they maybe they flipped, they went, they went so far in
24:29
that they they were trying to accommodate for the other person, they like became
24:33
the other person and suddenly, you know, Shepherd was full McKay and McKay
24:37
was full Shepherd while they were playing chess or something like that. Yeah,
24:41
but they were. Yeah, there was just sort of nothing in the end
24:42
to just sort of make it a really good, sort of complete allegorical story.
24:48
That's why I think I'm surprised when you said the Zelenka part of it
24:52
was not an afterthought but like something they had to throw in for timing.
24:56
Because I liked seeing what was the I guess the genesis of the Mackay Shepherd
25:02
one. Like seeing these two go in there, I mean, I guess
25:03
they knew what they were doing, but they it's still come from such an
25:07
innocent place where they were like, hey, look, these guys are really
25:10
struggling with their crops and whatever else was going on. You know, if
25:14
we just did this, it'll help them. And then old, you know,
25:17
it was Lorna right rich vein of whatever, maybe we'll do Maybe I'll
25:22
do this then and I'll help these Yeah yeah, yeah, well, like
25:25
we know we're not allowed to do this, but we're not allowed to do
25:27
it in the negative way that Shepherd and Mackay did it. So if we
25:30
go in there with the right intentions will be great. So I actually really
25:33
like seeing the beginning of Shepherd and Mackay, but with the added knowledge of
25:38
that they were dealing with real people and it's still becoming corrupted like that.
25:42
So yeah, funny that we don't get to see them develop a little bit
25:48
more by the end of the episode, but I did like that at least
25:49
we got to see, you know, how it can be twisted from from
25:52
such humble beginnings, and also that when you start involving yourself. Yeah,
26:00
it's hard to then have perspective of the trolley problem. It's like, well,
26:03
do you get involved or do you not get involved? Someone's going to
26:07
die either way whether you get involved or not. But it's how do you
26:11
justify your interference making it quote unquote better or worse? So, yeah,
26:17
I just wish they've been a little more, a little more of that trolley
26:19
problem. Yeah, what's that the opening scene where they're talking about the trolley
26:23
problem. So there's you know, the train on the track. Oh yeah,
26:27
trolley it's weird like it used to be, you know, train trolleys,
26:32
Like yeah, yeah. And it's a very very old and philosophical idea
26:38
and it's been bastardized so many times. There's so many different versions of it,
26:41
and most like I guess it's probably in a couple that really makes sense
26:45
that are really a conundrum because then sometimes they get like, okay, so
26:48
your baby is on a track and on the other side of it are ten
26:52
strangers that are also criminals. They've murdered people. Which one do you go
26:56
for them? Obviously I'm saving my baby, yeah, oh but no,
26:59
but it's a but you're killing ten people. Yeah, I'm killing murderers and
27:03
rapists, or I'm saving my beautiful three month old baby. What do you
27:06
mean that's not a problem. Yeah, that's not it is not a problem.
27:07
That's a solution. You know. It's like, here's ten members of
27:14
your very close family and a stranger's baby. It's like, oh, that
27:17
that's not because it's an innocent child, it's someone they're That's interesting when you
27:22
when you take the emotion out of it and you're yeah, pres exactly a
27:26
purely you know, scientific, you know, hypothesis, and you're just going,
27:30
okay, we'll take any of your own personal feelings out of it,
27:33
and just okay, there's a one stranger here, ten strangers here. What
27:36
do you do? Yeah, you know, and what is what is the
27:38
tipping point? What is what is? And then yeah, that's when you
27:41
start elaborating, and of course, like, yeah, the example you just
27:44
gave, there's there's no there's no debate. You know, I don't even
27:47
know what it exists, but that that is one that I have read something
27:49
as very similar. But it's like if you start with you know, ten
27:52
strange or five strangers and one stranger, Okay, what is it? But
27:56
then it's like, okay, well yeah, the baby's yours, but the
27:59
other five people are like, you know, your your brother's but you say
28:03
they're deaf. I think I've seen that. Was it? Not this episode?
28:07
It must have been this or some other show where they were talking about
28:11
the same problem, and he's like, I just yell out to the people
28:15
they're deaf. Why would you bring a bunch of deaf people to would you
28:19
bring to deaf people? I think that might have been ricking your base.
28:22
I got a mixed up between that could even be the Good Place. The
28:26
Good Place does a lot of the trolley problem as well. The trolley problem
28:30
for me, trolley in Australia is like a shopping basket. Yeah exactly.
28:33
So my trolley problem is like when somebody who's shopping has a trolley on one
28:40
side and then and then they leave it sideways and then they walk off and
28:45
go and look for something. You're like, what are you doing blocking the
28:48
whole thing. The trolley problem for me is when you get to your car,
28:52
the people that don't go and put it in the trolley back, like
28:55
in the return, they've got people who do that for jobs. Are you
29:00
saying this is the perfect trolley problem, right because you say you don't return
29:03
your trolley to the to the trolley trolley pusher, that was my job,
29:08
that's true. Yeah, you know what I mean. At the end of
29:12
every like strip of car parks, there's a return slot where you can put
29:17
them, and there's the trolley person's job to just simply go and take that
29:21
stack and bring that inside. Mate, you got to go around the car
29:23
park crack them up. The thing is I bet you you push are you?
29:27
Are you the one that pushes the trolley, cut all the way in,
29:32
all the way to the end and stack them all. Yes, don't
29:34
do that. We'll see why. Why not because it has to get them
29:42
out, but they're all together. My thing is all those things are ten
29:48
meters long. Yeah, it's an exaggeration. Five meters long. I'd rather
29:52
ad here at the end where I can just go. That was easy.
29:53
Now have to rock go all the way in there, pull all these trolleys
29:57
out that aren't the right size, and that you can no, I'm different.
30:02
So yeah, my local calls it. You have people jamming, you
30:04
have have the four trolleys and the half trolleys. You know, and some
30:07
people are idiots, and like we'll mix and match them. If there's two
30:11
small trolleys that aren't connected together, and then one big trolley and then two
30:15
small troys, I will pull the two small trolleys out, pull the big
30:18
one out, so move the four little ones together and then put the big
30:22
one in. I am that sad. I will do that to There'll be
30:26
four of each, and I'll be like, well, i'll do my bit
30:29
here, and I'll rearrange and I'll put the big ones connect four. All
30:32
that racking, and you see when I used to have dreams about that.
30:38
It's so fucking yeah. What do they what do the kids call it?
30:42
When they enjoy something? No? Fuck, no cap when you see those
30:49
scratching things, so when they just makes you feel good to watch it?
30:55
Yeah, yeah, I can't the words escaping me. Yeah, it's very
31:00
enjoyable. Yeah, okay, right, so we're taking that sort of fun
31:04
away. Okay, but no, no, no, but were you were
31:07
you were you in the beers when there was two kinds of trolleys going going
31:10
around just in a single trolley story. Yeah, the sheep dip k trolleys,
31:15
the heavy ones, the paint on them, they're annoying. And then
31:19
you got the we used to have the double stack ones. Yeah, yeah,
31:23
the double stack ones. Now they've got the half ones. Yeah,
31:26
the half in the fall. Yeah, I don't remember the last one.
31:29
I used to fall trolley. Yeah. We do talk about the trolley problem
31:33
a lot. You said, it's it's like a psychological thing, and that's
31:37
what I've loved. And that graphic goes around every couple of months. I'll
31:38
see it, you know, fly around on Twitter or something, and it'll
31:41
be that it's a great barometer for where you are, what kind of person
31:45
you are with the trolley, because there is no reward if the right thing
31:51
is taking it back and not just leaving it by your car. There is
31:56
no reward for doing the right thing, and there is no punished for doing
32:00
the wrong thing. So it's just showing you what kind of person you And
32:04
this is taking out those pieces of shit that take it a kilometer down the
32:07
road and you know you see one like half in a ditch somewhere, and
32:08
you like, I hate that because my local holes to combat that. One
32:14
wheel on the trolley is different because it's got the sensor thing lock, so
32:17
that if you take it out of a certain distance, it locks up.
32:20
And I'm just like, my OCD can't handle the fact that one wheel is
32:22
different on my cart to the rest of them. I just have to block
32:25
it out and I see it. And Brennan, because you worked in the
32:28
biers, you might know better than me. But I'm almost convinced, just
32:31
as I am that when you know bakers and supermarkets make up their bread,
32:37
that they intentionally poke holes in those bastards to let air, and like,
32:40
you know, just I'm like, why is that there? Why is that
32:43
giant gap there at the end. It's not on every bag. Some of
32:45
them are small holes, other ones a giant holes and s up. Whatever.
32:47
The trolleys, when they're built, they take out a hammer and they
32:51
just whack the shit out of one wheel because what nine out of ten times,
32:54
ninety nine out of one hundred times you will get a trolley and one
32:58
wheels its front. You're like, can I just get a trolley that drives
33:01
straight when I push it straight and goes left when I push it left.
33:05
So although Americans get this, our trolleys, our currents, all four wheels
33:12
move in the States, It's like the costco ones the back to a station
33:15
area and yeah, and it's only the front ones that can steer, whereas
33:21
like here in Australia, guys, it's like you can just you can just
33:23
move on any accident. Yeah, you can just if you want to stop.
33:25
And just so they can't do like the proper spin when they're driving.
33:29
That's one of the great that's why they always crash. Yeah, yeah,
33:31
that's that's why they go straight down the hill in the American ones. Yes,
33:37
the Australian ones, you will start spinning if you get Yeah. The
33:40
other thing is too if you if you're shopping mall has a travelator, those
33:46
trolleys will have different wheels than if the shopping center doesn't. Oh yes,
33:52
I've seen that they have like the little yeah, the brakes and the fit
33:55
between almost like yeah, train wheels. Yeah, it's some friction. Yeah,
34:00
I can't. I'm freaking my kids out, Like put them on a
34:02
travel and I'm gonna let go. I'm going to let go, let go,
34:07
and they screamed like I have moved, you idiot. It's magic.
34:09
I've seen am using the force. Mitch. You and I probably don't have
34:13
the guts to do this, but I've seen some great tiktoks where it's going
34:15
on in the state slot. It's if someone leaves their their trolley, like
34:17
buy their car or whatever is they got to get it. You walk past
34:21
me, Oh you're done with this, and they go yeah, and you
34:22
act as if you're going to take it back for them, and you just
34:24
push it in behind their car so they can't and then walk away so they
34:28
can't reverse out with that getting out and then moving the trolley. Yeah,
34:30
yeah, I reckon. I reckon personally when I used to have to go
34:35
and rack. I hated it when people would leave the trolley's in between the
34:37
cars, when like in the middle of the car park. Yeah, parking
34:43
garage you call it. And then but if you have it on the side
34:47
or even in the garden, that's fine. If I can just reach and
34:52
grab it, Yeah that's on the way when I've already got stack. But
34:54
if I have to go between cars, that's really annoying. That's professional,
34:58
guys, that's from something the bizz mate, you know, not that we
35:01
want to just talking about like that sort of stuff. But I'm just the
35:06
trolleys. I'll absolutely take it back. I do all of these things.
35:08
But I feel like the people around me. If I say, like my
35:10
wife or like growing up my mum, the trolley's one that go put that
35:15
back. That's the right thing to do. But if I'm eating in a
35:17
food court in a shopping center, people look at me funny. If I
35:22
pick up that tray and take the rubbish away for the train, they go,
35:24
no, no, there are cleaners that do that. That's your if
35:27
you If you do that, you're taking the work away from them. If
35:30
there's not as much work for them to do, then more of the staff
35:32
will lose because they don't require five cleaners to do that on view right too.
35:37
So because I'm always doing that, or go to the movies, and
35:39
this might be because I was in the biz. I work cinema. I
35:43
will absolutely pick up my popcorn at the end, pick up every bit of
35:46
rubbish and take it because I know that's aw dust, your own vomit that
35:51
obviously i'm your own. And I don't go to the cinemas that I used
35:57
to work at where they're like, it's not stadium seating, so it's like
36:00
every row of seats has its own little step. It was just one like
36:04
sloping floor so if someone in Row X dropped a large pepsi, that ship
36:08
just roll down like a varnished floor and it with some kind of pace,
36:15
and then when it dried after like a three hour Lord of the Rings film,
36:17
that ship was sticky and that was not my problem. I would leave
36:20
that for the cleaners. I'm not I'm not mopping twenty six rows. We've
36:22
got two hundred people wait outside again, I mean, yeah, if you
36:24
told me there was sticky floors after three hour Lord of the Ring screen,
36:28
well that's just you that wow. Still, as we're recording this, there
36:34
is currently a Lord of the Rings extended marathon happening at a cinema for two
36:37
hours. We can be out of hat. No one knows that, no
36:40
one can. You guys can make me. I won't. I'm busy.
36:44
You should, though, I just want to watch. That's not say we
36:46
did that opening of the Fellowship again. Oh yeah, so good. You've
36:52
got Kate Blanchard kind of whispering, swiping. Then you get the full staff
36:58
swords from from the Elves. Man. Hey, look, I had Fellowship
37:00
on DVD. Fellowship had me in two towers is what lost me? I
37:06
could I could almost understand the return of the King leaving me because its so
37:12
by the time we got to the fifth ending, I was like, get
37:14
me out of this cinema, and there was still three endings to go,
37:17
Like, I was like, what like the fourth fade of black from Black?
37:22
It is funny at that point that it should have ended with them jumping
37:25
on the bed in the in the gay nightgowns. That that's where it would
37:30
have ended. That would have been fine. But didn't recognize Leglis Yeah,
37:34
yeah, yeah, and they still and they still didn't dialogue a woman on
37:40
the fellowship. Yeah, she's hot, so pretty damn god, will she
37:45
let me comb her hair? Maybe it's just the high difference. But he
37:49
just couldn't see it there. He couldn't tell Yea literally said everyone's name except
37:54
Oh, there's that guy. I want to give him a smile. Yeah,
38:00
Hi again, crazy, Hey, I've got some look. I don't
38:06
know if it's a spoiler, but it is weird, so I feel like
38:10
we need to bring it up. This is the last time we're going to
38:15
see the Daedalus until the season four mid season finale. But season finale,
38:22
wow, that's a bit of time. Mitch Peleggi became unavailable. He was
38:25
doing like a movie or a TV show or something like that. So yeah,
38:30
for like over half, it's like the rest of this season and the
38:35
next half of next season. No Deaedalus. I find that really weird.
38:40
I feel like another season to talk about it. No, because I've never
38:45
noticed before. But you'd think they would even do like, you know,
38:49
like in the last couple of SG one episodes where it's like, I don't
38:51
think we have a new commander yet after the last one was killed by the
38:54
Lucian Alliance, So like SG one just kind of we're going to give you
38:59
the audio see to play with this week, but there's not even any so
39:01
there's theoretically then there's no actual scenes on the Odyssey for the next like,
39:07
so what are they fifteen? As theists are just in the milky way.
39:12
I just don't think it's written into a story. They just don't do any
39:14
stories that require the Dadalusts interesting, which is odd. So yeah, just
39:19
so that's why kind would have read out because it is kind of a swell,
39:21
but also I kind of just yeah, like wanted to just have it
39:22
in mind for us as we're watching the next few episodes, like the next
39:25
fifteen episodes, to see whether they are whether there is a line saying,
39:30
you know, oh, the deadesses the Dadalist is still two weeks away or
39:35
or something like that. So it like whether they're right into the coming episodes.
39:38
The reason why it can't help, I mean you'd think, I mean,
39:44
Colonels have annual leave, don't they. Yeah, like he can't take
39:46
a break. Yeah yeah, yeah, you know they could just you know,
39:51
do an episode where where they have the daedalusts or you know, they're
39:54
just he's just he's just not on screen, like because there was what was
40:00
uh Pegasus project, where like the Odyssey was really important in that, but
40:05
we actually don't see it on screen at all at any Like it's the one
40:07
that detonates the warhead or whatever to actually create them home. Yeah, so
40:14
yeah, there's ways around it, but yeah, it'll be interesting to see
40:15
going forward how they how they work around it. If they work around it.
40:20
I feel like if it was another two or three seasons in and it
40:22
would have been at like the equivalent stage of s G one, it could
40:25
have become a real in joke of the show, like from the filmmakers trying
40:29
to like get the the the audience in on, like the sense that they
40:31
could just use the same like stock shot of Mitch Pelaggy, like some swooping
40:37
shot through the bridge, you know, like communicating to Shepherd down a planet,
40:42
like look like we're out here, just in time, colonel or something
40:44
like that. Just like but use it every four episodes and the same shot,
40:46
and by that stage is like have we seen that before? It's like,
40:49
yeah, that's the we like, we've got one to them, don't
40:52
Yeah, probably, Yeah, every single we just comes in with a gun.
40:58
It's like we're in a cave. What door did you bust out?
41:01
Nothing weird today? And there was a weird thing at the start of the
41:07
episode two, during the trolley problem scene. You've got Shepherd and Mackay sitting
41:10
there have a conversation. Did anyone notice what Shepherd was eating while they were
41:15
chatting? An orange? Huh? Citrus? Guys. Okay is definitely allergic.
41:23
I feel like at this point they've just kind of retconned where it's like
41:25
he's only it's only lemons or something like that. Maybe that's just something John
41:31
does. Yeah, yeah, I know, it's it's like it's deadly with
41:36
lemons, but orange is like it's really just gonna like it's gonna ech him.
41:38
And he's just like, look, just in case I'm gonna throw a
41:42
peel at you. He's definitely allergic to citrus. Yeah, yeah, definitely
41:45
definitely allergic to citrus. Because yeah, when Mitchell rocked up in Pegas Approach,
41:54
he had the specifically a lemon that he pulled out of his out of
41:58
his coat to sort of get get mc cane lines. So and was and
42:00
obviously the first time we mentioned was it was lemon chicken. Is is there
42:04
is this lemon chicken? So yeah, maybe it's you realize I'm deadly.
42:08
Yeah, maybe maybe just throws deadly allergic? Yeah shut up. Yeah,
42:15
It's like it's like even worse than someone who's a celiac, you know what
42:20
I mean, like way worse. What's what's the what's the I feel like
42:24
I feel like lactose intolerant people like they don't get that much ship. Not
42:29
only well they do if they drink milk, but it's like someone who can't
42:35
do with gluten. We're just like tough, not princess, come on,
42:38
come on. Whereas it if someone was just like, oh no, peanut
42:42
peanut allergies. People just like, yeah, that's fine, you'll die whatever.
42:45
But yeah, I feel like someone was like, yeah, I'm definitely
42:47
desidrous. People just laugh which was like sealing, which which if you drank
42:52
beer, like like a like a full carb sort of lager beer, which
42:57
one is that because gluten? Yeah right yeah, and in front of it
43:00
like so, she said at the time, she would get to the Kathleen
43:05
a friend of ours went to school with, and she would just get like
43:07
horribly sick. She got there and drink beers in a night out and just
43:09
like feel like shit for three days. And I'm like why. She's like,
43:13
because I'm sea and why do you do it? She's listen, I
43:15
love beer so much, though, Like I don't want to go and find
43:17
another drink. I just love being I'm like, well, yeah, I
43:20
guess so like that just truck. Sometimes milk is just too good. I
43:27
know, I know, I know, even the work fridge. You're not
43:30
too far from when we recorded, Like they used to get so much skim
43:34
and no fat. Now it's just like, look, guys, we're buying
43:37
the milk, we're getting full cream. If you don't like it, and
43:42
great people for doing it. Add extra water. Great people, get a
43:45
half a glass of full cream, pour some water in it. Yeah,
43:47
if you if you get half a glass of full cream filled the rest of
43:51
the glass up with water, you've got skim milk. Prove us wrong.
43:53
Yeah, great people at dairy Farmers. I would love that. Dairy Farmer's
44:00
for cream milk is LEGiT's sponsor football stadium. They could probably throw some money
44:06
behind us. Now yeah, no, that is top tier milk right there,
44:08
Yes it is. That's my go to. Dad used to buy the
44:12
Jesus milk and can make fun of him. What's the Jesus milking? There's
44:15
a Mulaney milk. Well, Millennie is great too. If you look none
44:20
I milk, I refuse because Jesus milk. If you look on their label,
44:25
because they're so anti helal, they're like, well, if Vegemit can
44:30
say that they're halal friendly, they're promoting religion, so we can put the
44:35
Jesus fish on it. So they literally in the corner of every label of
44:37
milk it has the little Jesus fish. What's the Jesus fish? The little
44:43
the little Jesus fish that represents right. Maybe if I see it, I'd
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recognize it. Yeah, I'm getting it with the sort of fingers people infuriated
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with you, Mitch. Yeah right, the Jesus fish. Ask your wife?
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Yeah, I know right. I mean you go to church? Yeah,
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absolutely not. And you're a god fearing man if you're a wife,
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god fearing man, A wife fearing my mother in law fearing man, I
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mean, obviously not enough to get my wife pregnant before we are married.
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I don't fear mother in law that much, obviously, But I mean,
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look, hey, fish aside, mine's great mate. No, Now,
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I I do love. I shame my dad into it that he doesn't bite
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anymore. Wow. I've driven to Mulaney to buy their cream and while they're
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I bought the milk while looking at the cow that came from. You're part
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of the problem, mate, just this Christian ship? Were you just like
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Jesus Christ? That's good. You really taste the Jesus in this They milked
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Jesus turn his water into full cream milk. There's a story, it's the
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story pop that in the Bible. Hey, before we go, I just
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want to I mentioned a couple of things. The set, the Gelder village
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set. That's actually just the normal set, like the village set we've that
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we've seen to. But they just they shipped in like two truckloads full of
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palm trees. I think this is the first time I've ever not recognized it
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as the standard village set. But it's just the standard one from squ one
46:22
yeaheah, it's that set. They just they just you know, unlike Cooper
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who's like, well, we'll just shoot it from far away, we'll close
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up and you won't be able to tell them. Just put some flags,
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we'll shoot it at nighttime, and it looked totally different. No, this
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time they actually changed the lighting and then yeah, they shipped in like two
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truckloads of palm trees, and so yeah, to me, it looks unrecognizable
46:39
as the normal I guess the Rodney pictures of Rodney as well kind of take
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the focus off it. Yeah, And it seems to be shot like we
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almost like we're seeing like different different little angles and pathways and stuff like that.
46:53
Like when they were like walking through and they you know, the guys
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on the penny farthing and that kind of stuff. It doesn't look like the
46:59
normal the normal things. Ridiculous. You couldn't just give them a normal bike?
47:02
Yeah, skip a few steps. Yeah, I'm gonna screw with these
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people, and then I just want to play this audio without comment. I
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would have liked to see a motorbike Penny farthing. I guess they're just showing
47:20
here how easy it would be to get pulled into We think you're helping,
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but it would escalate from there. Yeah, it's kind of nice. Uh,
47:25
you know, original sin or biblical or Promethean kind of thing. You
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know what happens if we interfere with man, we bring him fire or introduce
47:36
original sin. Yeah. I think other shows used to call that the prime
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directive, didn't they? Oh shit, you're very lucky that you strategically place
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that at the end of the episode. No, that's not fair. That's
47:53
not fair because I didn't say anything, and neither did he. You played
47:58
it prime direct pro direct you guys, you can choose your own adventure on
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what that means. Star Trek. You said it, you said it not.
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I mean the listeners are stupid, Come on that, some of them.
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No, I'm kidding. They don't know who they are. Yeah,
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I don't know who they are. They're too dumb. Obviously not you.
48:17
Who's listening man? The other people? You're the best, Well you think
48:22
if you think that's bad, Way till next week. Man, can't wait,
48:27
Stop the tape. It's operight. Get into geek, get into Gate,
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