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Carolina Panthers Draft Plan Revealed? | Dan Morgan, Pick 19 & Free Agency Strategy · C3 Panthers Podcast: Carolina Panthers

• 0:29
  [SPEAKER_05]: Tony Darn, and not to it, but to do it, brother.
• 0:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's row.
• 0:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's the same dream as his podcast.
• 1:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to be aggressive, beat, beat, beat, aggressive.
• 1:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what Dan Morgan said, aggressive and free agency, aggressive in the draft.
• 1:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: But what we're asking is aggressive where, at 19, trading up, is it in pursuing Cade Maze?
• 1:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is it protection?
• 1:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is it culture?
• 1:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is it the ceiling?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Is it speed?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: We're trying to do some research.
• 1:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're trying to get excited about underwear Olympics.
• 1:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we're trying to get excited about the potential of scouting bazillion players with a bazillion things to talk about that may or may not come true.
• 1:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: But instead of trying to speculate of what could come true, we're going to tonight delve into things that Dan Morgan said and try to reverse engineer anything that we can find in mind out of those comments that could help us
• 1:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: figure out not what will happen, but potentially insight into the draft process, the draft philosophy, and what will in the end make sense of what does happen.
• 2:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're listening to the C3 Panthers podcast.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: My name is Tony Dunn.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It's the longest running Panthers podcast, 14 years in the business and man.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not a spreadsheet guru when it comes to the 40s.
• 2:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I can tell you these guys are fast, CK.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: The NFL combine happened this past weekend.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And all I know is tons of records that we're broken.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: The only part of the combine that I had seen
• 3:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: was that dude with the mallet running and that just mallet just flow in in the wind dude.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Tonight's show we've got to talk about this is we're going to be.
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• 4:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: I had prepared a good a bit to talk about the, and it comes back to some comments that are looking that that when we try to look at we're not try, but as I look at Dan Morgan's comments, I went back and watched it closely.
• 5:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh, his initial press conference and the questions that were asked.
• 5:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: And, um, you know, it came out with this is what are you going to do in free agency?
• 5:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: What are you going to do in the draft?
• 5:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he said the plan.
• 5:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: We have this plan and we're going to be aggressive in enacting that plan.
• 5:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: She ain't a quick follow-up with a good question.
• 5:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Does that mean you'll be free aggressive and free agency?
• 5:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: He said, we're going to be aggressive in the draft, free agency and gave the most coach to be cancer.
• 5:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: But what does aggression mean?
• 5:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: He referenced, hey, we've traded up in the past.
• 5:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, we've gone out and we're going to get the best players, we possibly can't, I mean really these are nothing but what would be aggressive for Dan Morgan who faces some needs right as a Kim Aquana is going to be out for the entire season we can go ahead and pretty much bank on that.
• 6:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: 14 years in this biz of podcasting as a fan, and 10 years ago, I was probably grinding out mock drafts, trying to figure out these draft profiles, watching every little prospect, and now I'm less interested in who will be the pick at 19, but what pick 19 can do for the direction of the franchise?
• 6:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: So when we try to get aggressive here, CK, let's talk about that aggressive mentality.
• 6:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Dan Morgan also on the Pat McAfee show said, he's not interested.
• 6:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think they said this is they they threw out and we're going to circle back and talk about trying to get younger in the quarterback room.
• 7:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: But when he mentioned that,
• 7:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Pat McAfee, who was in Indianapolis, they were in Indianapolis at the time, and he played in Indianapolis.
• 7:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: He said, we've got some people to trade away.
• 7:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: We've got some things.
• 7:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: And Dan Morgan said he was trying to get draft picks, not give draft picks.
• 7:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: So as we look at Dan Morgan's aggressive mentality in the past, how about that?
• 7:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's just talk about what he's done in the past real quick.
• 7:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: been involved in a trade-up was not GM at that time for Bryce Young, but to last year involved in a trade-up for two years ago a trade-up for Excel, there were some more back-in trade-ups.
• 7:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I think we went after
• 7:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Who was it?
• 7:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Not right.
• 7:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: I always think his name is going to be Rambo.
• 7:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's the safety that we drafted.
• 7:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was an older safety a long time ago or corner.
• 7:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: The guy we're all excited about at fifth.
• 7:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think we might have moved up for him.
• 8:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Moerg.
• 8:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, he was a ransom ransom ransom.
• 8:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Late for ransom, I think maybe he was the trade up fourth round overall or it was via Denver Broncos, but he mentioned that he's been aggressive in the past and the draft, but he also mentioned that everything would be determined about the draft and the aggression there is by free agency.
• 8:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: So your thoughts on GM, damn worries of GM conservative, aggressive,
• 8:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right down the middle of the fairway, where do you think it?
• 8:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm the part of this that I think answers this question more so than anything else is that he said that he's not trading away draft picks and that makes to me means he's being much less risky.
• 8:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's not willing to, to me, it seems like he's more willing to build through
• 9:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Dan Morgan has done a pretty stand-up job picking in the draft, so I'm willing to give him his flowers and let him cook the way he feels like he needs to cook, whether that means sticking at 19 or moving back and just getting a plethora of draft picks to be able to fill some of these holes.
• 9:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't mind any of those scenarios, but what aggression I'm hearing is what I would gather
• 9:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go out on a limb and say that's going to be more around the preagency side of things.
• 9:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think the draft is going to be a shock to anybody when it comes around about who they pick.
• 9:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because I think free agency's going to give us a lot of answers as to what we're going to be looking to do in the draft.
• 9:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: He mentioned that, in fact, I think when you say aggression, he said, where you have a plan, we're going to implement implement it aggressively.
• 10:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then, like, is that ultimately we're parsing words here and trying to mind for anything.
• 10:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: He said, as what does that mean is the decisions they make, I believe, they're going to make with confidence, rather than being backed into a corner or feeling compelled to do so, or rushed or anything like that.
• 10:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: trying to move too quickly can move you too far back in that, you know, he mentioned the Williams guy, the defensive tackle that we missed on in free agent, see, no one else, Milton Williams, that went to the Patriots and he's, and he mentioned, look, as we put our offer out there.
• 10:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: We believed in it.
• 10:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: The Patriots beat it and we weren't going to budge beyond that.
• 10:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: So there's like, I think when he's been entered aggression, it means it really probably means conviction.
• 10:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: In a sense, that's fair.
• 10:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think if your determination or distinction there, I think a conviction and determination
• 11:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think he, they stood their ground and they, in my opinion, now granted the Patriots made it where they did.
• 11:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to put that all in milk Williams.
• 11:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that he was like a life altering difference to that team.
• 11:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think he was just a piece of the puzzle.
• 11:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think our pieces of the puzzle that we got in instead are probably more reasonable, right?
• 11:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that we have some positives for some of these defensive linemen that we have.
• 11:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I do think we need to start focusing on building the center of that defensive line to have a running buddy with Derek Brown.
• 11:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that is
• 11:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: a huge benefit to this team, and Milton Williams certainly could have been to fit that mold, but I have not mad about these guys holding their ground, because right now we have no money.
• 11:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: We barely have money right now as it is in a margin.
• 11:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: If we had signed him and beat what the Patriots offered him, I don't think we would have had.
• 12:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: We wouldn't be going into this offseason, filling very much optimism, I don't feel like.
• 12:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of talk about that and you brought up the defensive edge, you know, it's like a, some people have focused in on this is because the Panthers, we've talked about it, not adding, but throughout the season, the just lack of pressure, he said you can't get away with 30 sacks, you know, you're going to need guys on the edge, but he did invest heavily.
• 12:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, um, in last year's draft and the defense of imposition or outside linebacker, or whatever, they're going to use it, right?
• 12:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: As I think everybody, always outside linebacker, but you want Nick Scortner be a pass rusher.
• 12:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: You want Prince McKinsey, if Uman Millen, to be a pass rusher, you didn't bring them to be coverage all around guys in a sense.
• 12:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: those guys are guys that you if they were veteran successful players you would try you would go and court to be past wrestlers.
• 13:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we call them as we call them out as I allow them to edge whatever the terminology that makes you feel happy talking about.
• 13:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: But the Panthers lack pressure, you've got Derek Brown, you've got Morton, Tech Morton,
• 13:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: And you've got also Bobby Brownith there.
• 13:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: You've got some horses in the middle.
• 13:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: We've talked about restructuring a Sean Robinson cutting, a Sean Robinson likely a Sean Robinson cut.
• 13:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: That would be up the gut cut, though.
• 13:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: And a lot of people are zeroed in on the edge Russia at 19 as because this is such a need for the Carolina Panthers.
• 13:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is what we do.
• 13:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Need 19 meet it.
• 13:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: They've even brought up is he I think somebody asked him about Rubin Bain and he said forget about it Rubin Bain is going to be gone The first five picks so we're not out there and then he was asked I think by Joe person and his comments What would you get for Because if you look at the next need on the list you're talking Middle linebacker on that defense a lot of defense of talk Dan Morgan likes to talk about the defense
• 14:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: invested a lot in the draft in that offense and tell you go to middle line backer Joe person I guess as this he said when you're at 19 when you think you get more bang for your buck at or in first in the draft you get more bang for your buck and edge or middle linebacker.
• 14:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: And Dan Morgan basically said this is, this is most important to your point earlier is that free agency determines all of that is that free agency will determine what is more bang for your book at that moment at 19 if you're looking at those two positions.
• 14:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: But he also said this is there's going to be a guy as that we're going to like there's going to be a guy at middle linebacker we like at 19.
• 15:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: He leaves everything on the board.
• 15:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think Dan Morgan is pretty good about this is not getting too locked in on one thing, but we also have, I believe, a little limited.
• 15:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: We don't have a giant sample set of his work, just yet.
• 15:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, but I think this will be the third draft that he's done.
• 15:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that when you look at the past two drafts, I mean, we've got quite a few people
• 15:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like historically and through Panthers fashion, we haven't been able to say that most years.
• 15:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right?
• 15:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like we had, if you go look at our draft class from last year, they play every single one of our draft drafted players.
• 15:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: had significant snaps in our team.
• 15:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, they may not have started every game.
• 15:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Someone might not have even started any games, but they played and pretty much every game.
• 16:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I can't say that that's something that we've been able to accomplish as a team.
• 16:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, or as a front office to get the right guys in here, much of what we've done in the past has been we draft guys and released them before
• 16:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: But Dan Morgan has hit on many of these guys and when they had when it hasn't worked he's traded him away for my jack who turns out to be the best corner of the league.
• 16:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: What a move.
• 16:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's not afraid to make a move.
• 16:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Actually, I would say he's banned.
• 16:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's been pretty.
• 16:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: I want to conserve it.
• 16:45
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• 16:47
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• 16:49
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• 16:55
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• 16:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: One of my favorite people in the world, he says, Tepper seems to finally let people make football decisions.
• 17:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: I trust him, Morgan, to make the right moves, the organization is improving yearly.
• 17:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Less involved or is he just less visible later in the show?
• 17:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've got some thoughts on that as we find out that Dan Morgan may have been the reason that David Teper got a million dollar fine for throw or whatever it was for throwing ice on a fan.
• 17:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Look, if we're getting aggressive at this, I guess we got to look this is go back.
• 17:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's talk momentarily about free agency and we'll circle back to this.
• 17:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure at some point.
• 17:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Dan Morgan's specifically said is that as you're thinking about number 19 and you want to think about the value of a player position, that much of that value will be determined by free agency.
• 17:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is nothing new.
• 17:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think this is that Dan Morgan has said absolutely nothing in his press conferences and has said enough to make us feel like he's honest.
• 18:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's really what it is, is that nobody, he doesn't feel like he's just like saying no to a question, but he also is ultimately like anybody in this case would be giving the general answer the GM speak the coach speak, but to go back to a great former GM, which I think was a great GM.
• 18:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was really great at first and they turned out to be crappy in the end, I guess, or not worthy of staying with the Panthers.
• 18:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: But really great at witnesses was Dave Gaddleman, witnesses.
• 18:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
• 18:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: The description you have of that.
• 18:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Which is in and of itself is an interesting discussion to have.
• 18:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: We can, you know, many of the people in the chat may already know, but Steve Smith went scored stireth on Dave Gaddleman and
• 19:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: and Ron Rivera, but, you know, it's just, we knew he didn't like, they've got him and I am curious.
• 19:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm interested to hear it about how much you implied that he doesn't like, oh, it's proper fair.
• 19:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: It might be such a sad element.
• 19:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: It might be worse.
• 19:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
• 19:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 19:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's worth a watch if you haven't.
• 19:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's on his YouTube channel.
• 19:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's one of these ones that Steve Smith reveals all he basically tells about the entire process and how things happen the way they did and who was at the helm of some of these decisions that were made and things like that.
• 19:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it was incredibly enlightening enjoyable to hear kind of the situation and how
• 19:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, it really makes you, figure out that there's a reason that they got rid of, uh, of, uh, getlman, uh, because it's, it's, that type of stuff that you realize and they just weren't treating the, the legends of the Panthers correctly in a lot of ways.
• 20:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, Dave get them in famously or not famously.
• 20:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: It just meant a lot.
• 20:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: He said a lot of things that
• 20:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: The irony of this with a Dave Gettelism, Gettelism was that he did it in the beginning and then he didn't do it in the end and it all started the downfall when he got irritated with Josh Norman.
• 20:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: and the money, and maybe the agent, whoever, and he rescinded the franchise tag and then put himself in a hole with having no quarterbacks.
• 20:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: But Dave Getterman always said, you use free agency to set up the drafts.
• 20:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that is that ultimately the draft is likely, it's going to be influenced by free agency, but you use in position free agency in a way to do what Dan Morgan really says the way to go is.
• 21:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Does Dan Morgan's basically said the same thing in the past couple weeks?
• 21:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that is, look, you draft bullet best player available, but you have to,
• 21:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: a factor in team needs.
• 21:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that is, is that a lot of these guys when we say best player available is we're picking this.
• 21:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're ranking guys like this guy's 19 on my draft board.
• 21:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: This guy's 21, but really what is that other dead player profiling and some different things like this is just
• 21:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: really is like what's the difference between a hundred and forty first pick and a hundred and sixty first pick and then I fell draft not much but a lot is if you need that or you don't need that or something to that effect so Dan Morgan also knows that nineteen pre-agency can give him more latitude at nineteen
• 21:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: or it can potentially confine him in a way that that 19th pick needs to perform sooner than later.
• 22:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: So if he were to get aggressive in 19 in the trenches, here's some names for the listeners
• 22:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's the kind of a stability of flexibility pick.
• 22:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is 21 year old standout from Utah.
• 22:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's six foot five ways, three hundred eleven pounds.
• 22:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: This would add to your offensive line right here, is that he was remarkable in 2025 without allowing a single sack all season.
• 22:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Here's an offensive guy who is three hundred eleven pounds
• 22:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, he's a guy that's big enough to give you flexibility from guard to tackle to something like that.
• 22:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Or you could go somewhere else like a high ceiling pick like a 20 year old, Kaden Proctor out of Alabama.
• 22:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: six foot seven C.K.
• 23:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: 352 pounds.
• 23:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's the size and elite length that makes a massive frame.
• 23:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Look, I mean, it's talk about a guy like that.
• 23:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: I almost think though, is that when I think of a player with those stats, um, is and I think he might be a little bit, let me see what his age is.
• 23:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Offensive tackle, this is the size of an offensive tackle that people kind of dream about in length, right?
• 23:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I like, man, at some point you've come so damn big.
• 23:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: is it possible for you to be healthy?
• 23:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
• 23:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: It just feels like that's a person and no fence came proctor.
• 23:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Not wishing this.
• 23:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: But like when you're so big that you just don't have a life expectancy in real in the real world as some Italian lady whose foot five foot three that's going to live to 102.
• 24:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, there's, it certainly looks appealing on paper, but you're not right.
• 24:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think there are certain things you have to, you know, kind of take into consideration.
• 24:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'd like to see the, and I'm sure there's an analytics awardee.
• 24:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure there's analytics on it, but, you know, guys like that, it cannot be good on the knees, you know what I mean?
• 24:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, he ran the 40 there, he ran a five to one.
• 24:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's not fucking bad.
• 24:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, not for that weight and size.
• 24:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, he jumped and his broad jump was nine feet one inches.
• 24:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like I'm sorry, the guy, he had a 32 inch vertical jump.
• 24:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: I got to believe this is that that is some rare athleticism for a man that this is this big.
• 25:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Here's some just put up on NFL.com, strengths and weaknesses.
• 25:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Massive frame, good length.
• 25:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: big knockback pop when accelerating into content.
• 25:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: How could he not be three or 15 50 pounds?
• 25:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: How does he, how would he imagine if it said does it have knock down pop?
• 25:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let me see if I just might as well share this with the audience and we can read it together.
• 25:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's some just reading off the screen.
• 25:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Down blocks and double teams can empty the gap captures seals outside edge settles in the pass reps with adequate hand timing because he has seven foot of length on you.
• 25:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Weakness is indecisive and inefficient when defender isn't in front of them.
• 25:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Does that mean it's like a guessing the cross face slant short air.
• 25:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I guess you may be getting him on stunts does too much catching and not enough punching.
• 25:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: early gate opener, weight drifting, struggled, staying mirrored.
• 25:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Lemme to pass that, need stabilize.
• 26:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what any of that other is this is.
• 26:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: I hear, let's do this.
• 26:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe we'll, since it's, look at this guy.
• 26:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's see this dude.
• 26:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: 6 foot 6, 5 foot 8.
• 26:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: How do I get?
• 26:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Come on.
• 26:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Go away, cursor.
• 26:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Course.
• 26:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Can you see that, CK?
• 26:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
• 26:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a, I mean, maybe he don't look too long and big.
• 26:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is that, you know what, is I would say he looks more balanced in his frame and his disposition.
• 26:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Then I would have expected for my guy where I just heard six foot seven, three.
• 26:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they said he was six foot.
• 26:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: six three fifth is a big fucking man actually you know what i'm all right with that let's go keden proctor he did not look and he's 20 years old that's insane i don't know i just am when i heard six foot seven three hundred fifty two pounds i just thought man but he wears it well i guess you need to be that big now if we were thinking about aggression
• 27:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe in coverage.
• 27:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now here's what we're talking about.
• 27:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: This has been a draft stand out.
• 27:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we're talking 19th pick.
• 27:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: I doubt that any of these guys are going to probably be day two is I want to pull this up real quickly and I make sure I don't spell his name right.
• 27:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oregon Safety Thineman at a Thineman, Oregon.
• 27:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Dylan Thineman, dude.
• 27:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Dylan Diamond's 21 years old.
• 27:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's over six foot tall.
• 27:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's over 200 pounds.
• 28:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: He ran a four, three, five.
• 28:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I want to pull up and make sure this is right in NFL.com.
• 28:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: But this is what I have taken note of NFL dot com draft car, combine results.
• 28:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Diamond.
• 28:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
• 28:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: We are producing as we go, but I have some notes.
• 28:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just want to verify these because sometimes like when I pull some of this up, I've just found it in some different places.
• 28:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't want to over to my sub, you know, so you know, I'm not, I have a fact check maybe cat Craver somebody or whoever.
• 28:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: So this is right here.
• 28:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: He six foot tall over a 211 pounds.
• 28:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: He had, he ran a four, three, five, 40 artists.
• 28:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're talking about a safety dude, right?
• 28:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: That could play in that free safety that we have been yearning for.
• 29:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: He had a 41 inch vertical jump.
• 29:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: This isn't saying.
• 29:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: that is insane.
• 29:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's a savvy, this is what his overview on NFL.com was, savvy three-year starter NFL size speed, alignment, versatility, extension of defensive coordinator, um, and it's like it can be, it can be played, put in motion, he's instinctive, rangey safety.
• 29:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: If he runs a four, three, five, and isn't rangey,
• 29:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what the hell would be.
• 29:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's got a leap, speed and ball skills.
• 29:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: CK, one of the things, though, is you're talking about for how long have the Carolina Panthers kind of piecemeal that safety group, piecemeal that backfield.
• 29:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: But we've we've added more we've got ransom who we want to play more, but a lot of people have always have continued to come back are these safety's range enough.
• 30:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, and they'd be that outfielder that can play the whole field at any moment.
• 30:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if the Panthers could go this high on a guy at this point.
• 30:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: That might be too aggressive.
• 30:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, some other names we'll talk about maybe some tight impossibilities, but see, get you had safety's running four, fours and four threes that are, are typically, they're running like, pickled corner, like corner numbers.
• 30:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: You had tight ends.
• 30:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: You had a sub four four tight end in this group.
• 30:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: A 439 tight end doesn't have to get to 250 pounds 6 with 3 or 6 with 6 or whatever he is.
• 30:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: These guys are getting more and more athletic as we go.
• 30:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: So there's some opportunities for Dan Morgan to be aggressive.
• 31:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: in that 19th group pick and that 19th pick.
• 31:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: But much of that will come back to us trying to figure out what happens in free agency and listen, I gotta say this with full humility is that 95% of whatever everybody says that's going to happen in the draft is going to be wrong.
• 31:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the 5% that turns out to be right only 1% of that
• 31:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: we'll really make a difference in the long term for a lot of those teams.
• 31:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, take a let's continue with where we're going in the show and well maybe we should ask this is to the audiences as I'll try to get this up as I ask you and maybe you can kind of respond to this as a type out the whole question but
• 31:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: One of the things is that next in the gate outside the gate of these trenches, the need, whether it be offensive linemen because of Kim Aquano or a lack of pass rush coming back to the lack of pass rush, the need to potentially boost this quickly, which I still don't think edge is going to be the right way to make this team better faster at 19th.
• 32:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think you're going to get a guy.
• 32:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Who they might have a lot of upside, but like is that you're investing so much at 19, you know, I don't know if there could be a difference maker as much as, but maybe there could be.
• 32:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: But we'll continue need and we'll see how they will dress this in free agency comes at middle linebacker and right now is.
• 32:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: In some ways, when we drafted Trevin Wallace, I thought, this is Dan Morgan identifying a dog, which he did, but it really looks like in the long run that Trevin Wallace was meant to be that weekside linebacker and meant that was what they were drafted him to be an era parent to the kind of the shack, jocie jewel lineage of what we're trying to get figure out.
• 33:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a fair comparison for them, for Trevor, for Trevor and Wallace, but I almost wonder if it was just the depth piece.
• 33:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right, I agree.
• 33:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that they've been trying to force him into a role that was never really his intended position.
• 33:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: He wasn't meant to be drafted where he was, he wasn't drafted be placed where he was inevitably put this year before he got injured.
• 33:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, that doesn't mean he can't grow into a role like that, but I do agree.
• 33:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think Trevin Wallace has ultimately was not, I don't think he was drafted with the expectation that he was going to blow it up and then all of a sudden be the heir parent to a louker, you know, to be what Dan Morgan saw from a middle linebacker, from his time being in the league.
• 33:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: So.
• 33:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: I do think linebacker is a major need and I do think that that is going to be a priority for Dan Morgan.
• 34:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think we have been far too long without a linebacking core that we can be proud of.
• 34:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Historically with the Panthers to have that be the case.
• 34:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like a slap in the face because that is not panther football.
• 34:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm about to put up a poll, what we believe the best position or addition would be.
• 34:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: But here, as we talk about mental linebackers, I was thinking though, is like, when I saw a trev and Wallace day three pick, I was thinking, man, we're trying to figure out a
• 34:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: linebacker, we don't have anybody that we really believe in, I guess, or is that we're not a long-term fix.
• 34:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I just assume that some points that he would be middle linebacker eligible, right?
• 34:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: But what it feels like is this is that there are guys that they have
• 34:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: the ability to play a lot of physical ability.
• 34:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not saying, look, we did hear that when he was a rookie at that beginning of training camp or in a training camp in a NFL precies and got the green dot, he was talking about like geez, this is a lot.
• 35:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 35:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he was a young player, right?
• 35:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just did.
• 35:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: It just feels like as people continue to ask Dan Morgan, the Carolina Panthers, as people have prophesies about where they're going, the need for a middle linebacker.
• 35:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I really think they've shown a lot of faith in Tim Wallace while they have not, or at least in the past two years.
• 35:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: They've used him, whether that's out of necessity or belief he has played, right?
• 35:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he's had playing time to a lot of it.
• 35:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think has been forced or rushed or maybe by necessity, but it really does as they're asked as because Dan Morgan's asked about these things and the media is not when sitting here going as Tim Wallace going to be able to slide over.
• 35:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's no, but, you know, that has not entered any of the discussion.
• 35:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Even when they asked about little linebackers to Dan Morgan and their importance, he didn't ever mention Wallace's name.
• 36:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: So and I'm not saying is that to me, I mean, there's two ways to look at that is that they feel that his fit is in weak side linebacker or I don't think it says that they don't believe in them right necessarily is a player.
• 36:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just don't think that they write this point that they think that they could keep him on the team.
• 36:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: There is a world where they think he's a good player and we need a middle linebacker.
• 36:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think there's really another answer right now.
• 36:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: I have any, all right.
• 36:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: So what I want to ask though, or I'm going to ask you to think about this, and it's not talk about a specific player prospects, because I'll run through some player prospects that we can just give to the audience to think about some names, because so many styles is out, Robe.
• 36:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's guy.
• 36:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Those two Ohio State guys blew it out.
• 36:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: One of him, he ran in four, three, five.
• 36:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: He had a lineback around in them, four, three, three, two, three, four, three, four,
• 36:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Six or some crazy like that.
• 37:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're too fast.
• 37:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: That is you're talking about linebackers can run four, five, ones four, five and people like, oh, they can play.
• 37:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: This guy's running faster than them while receivers.
• 37:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: But here are some character risks.
• 37:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: They were asked, damn Morgan was asked about what are those middle line or the characteristics you look at, also very cult coach GM speak, said leadership, instinctualness, toughness, cultural fit, high IQ.
• 37:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: how much do the Panthers need a defensive quarterback back there?
• 37:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know there have been teams in the past that have done it with like an ed read at safety.
• 37:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's been times that we was that the free agent we brought from Minnesota, that they told us that was a safety and he was so good about it.
• 37:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Xavier.
• 37:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Xavier Woods.
• 38:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Good.
• 38:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 38:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Xavier Woods.
• 38:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: So how important do you think for the Panthers there are needing someone that it was that defensive quarterback never gonna be a loot keycly, but what do you think that those leadership qualities, leadership, and statefulness, toughness, cultural fit, high IQ, how much the Panthers need that on this defense?
• 38:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right now, I think we need it more than then we realize
• 38:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that having that that that guy in the middle who is able to, you know, be, I just, I sit here and think constantly about Thomas Davis was here.
• 38:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing, nothing in salute, but I just feel like Thomas Davis was this.
• 38:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: this motivational guy that was able to get everybody rolled up and get them into the game like he had a way of talking to the team that I feel like I was a player.
• 39:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'd be, you know, ready to run through that wall as we say, probably all too often.
• 39:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I think 100% we do need that.
• 39:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I see that out of a, out of a JC horn.
• 39:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I see that out of the, you know, Derek Brown.
• 39:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Not saying there, those guys can't be vocal.
• 39:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't see them as the raw raw being able to bring the team to, like, into that type of,
• 39:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: you know, an environment.
• 39:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: I could see a defense without that type of a leader falling apart and I can tell you Christian Rosen boom is not that dude either.
• 39:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, not to say not knocking the dude.
• 39:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think he played admirable admiral Lee if I could speak.
• 39:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Admirably for what he was signed for, but I do want to see somebody step up.
• 39:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think Brian Burns, maybe had that opportunity, had that characteristic.
• 39:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that's a bit of a blow to get rid of that for the draft picks that we did.
• 40:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm not opposed to,
• 40:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: to bringing in a dude who can be the, the, the, the,
• 40:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: the the glue that holds this team together, but when things aren't going our way or a dude who can come in here and yell at everybody and not you know everybody's listening out of respect you know what I mean.
• 40:27
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• 40:30
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• 40:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: 98, that's 2, 5, 2, 2, 2, 8, 50.
• 40:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: 90, you have some trouble making some polls at the moment on YouTube, kind of interesting curious in what position group people believe would make them greatest impact for the Carolina Panthers if they were to draft at number 19, not player, but just positional group.
• 41:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think I start out with, I'm just trying to make it, I'll type it as I do it.
• 41:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Edge is one.
• 41:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Middle linebacker is is another I'm just going to put offensive lineman That kid and that's up in the air.
• 41:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: We still got to talk about I may not talk about but Kate May center or is it something some sort of Back-up plan or addition for life after Moton and Aquana
• 41:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: or we got offensive linemen middle linebacker.
• 41:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: You can put safety.
• 41:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is there another position group?
• 41:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's all I get.
• 41:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Would you like me to change any of those CK edge middle linebacker offensive linemen?
• 41:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh no, I got to change this.
• 41:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: We need we need tight end up there.
• 41:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't disagree.
• 41:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think
• 41:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's see if it works.
• 42:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: See, again, not letting me do polls right now.
• 42:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: And, oh, you know why?
• 42:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because I'm trying to do it in last week's video.
• 42:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, very cool.
• 42:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 42:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you guys have about this.
• 42:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: As you guys just type in the chat right now.
• 42:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: which position group do you want?
• 42:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's look at some of these middle linebacker or discuss them real quick, right?
• 42:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right now, some names that are, the Sony styles, let me look up Sony styles.
• 42:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was, I heard his stats.
• 42:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: 40 times.
• 42:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: So this was a name that was, it's been thrown out by Panther fans who are in the early phases.
• 42:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: This always happens, okay, is that we throw out names in its based on position group and need and the guy that's kind of the best at the position.
• 42:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: And you don't know a linebacker where they're going to go.
• 42:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: What they're going to be sure.
• 42:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: So two months ago, Sony styles.
• 43:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: was a reasonable name, maybe for the Carolina Panthers.
• 43:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, maybe the guy's stock will be whatever is like nobody know, but it's at these times that you know that the top picks are going to be their pick.
• 43:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're there already top picks and they're just going to be higher top picks or maybe some of those guys, it's really time that those top picks really enter the top 10.
• 43:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: is like they're theoretically first round picks.
• 43:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: But then there are guys that you knew were top picks that become dudes that are exclusively like top 10 picks.
• 43:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: And let me tell you this, is Sony Styles is six foot five, ZK.
• 43:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's 244 pounds.
• 43:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he ran a 4446 40R dash.
• 43:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: He had a 43 inch vertical jump.
• 43:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Which isn't saying, this is like what wine receivers jump.
• 44:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you get somebody who has a 37 inch vertical jump.
• 44:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Have they this guy is is is probably what you need in the new league when we talk about what the tight ends are doing.
• 44:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is because when you have these tight ends that are so fast, you can't put regular linebackers on them.
• 44:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Dan Morgan would have gotten smoke by these dudes, you need you're talking about teams having to think about putting like nickel corners on them and by the way, oh, Panther Gal in the chat love bud Clark love bud Clark as a and I don't like, well, I just think this is a guy that the Panthers may actually be able to land.
• 44:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: We'll talk about him a little later on,
• 44:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he has this, this athletic, this, like, historically incredible insane athletic performance.
• 44:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: By the way, his brother is just as athletic, whatever that family did keep doing it.
• 45:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: That names out of the mix.
• 45:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you're looking at plays, players like CJ Allen, Jacob Rodriguez, day two guys like Anthony Hill, Jr. Kyle Lewis, Jake Galade,
• 45:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Jacob Rodriguez is the the name that most people like have you seen as much as you can no God, please, let me see it.
• 45:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll do it for you.
• 45:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Jacob Rodriguez, I should just type in mustache.
• 45:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's just see if it's the first thing that pops up.
• 45:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh.
• 45:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is, uh, see if this picture or here we go.
• 45:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: You've never seen it.
• 45:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, not that I'm similar.
• 45:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just saw it because somebody put it up somewhere.
• 45:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that thing's a real flavor saver right there, ZK.
• 46:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I got right there is Jacob Rodner regas the cultural enforcer pretty good he has very good really good tape This guy's six foot one he's 233 pounds.
• 46:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: He has a rascore of nine five two which is
• 46:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Very high, I think that's statistically.
• 46:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Remember, when we were with the Matt rule era and how important the rascore was, I don't know, I've moved that from my memory.
• 46:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: It felt like that was very important.
• 46:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's physical, he's had a good production.
• 46:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he has production in college, he has instincts.
• 46:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: This becomes a kind of culture guy right here.
• 46:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: right away.
• 46:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, but you might be looking at guys like Anthony Hill Jr. Kyle Lewis, Jake Golliday.
• 46:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: So if we just look at, now Rod Reak is 23 years only six foot one, 233 pounds.
• 47:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Pretty, those are great.
• 47:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: 128 tackles seven force fumbles for interceptions in 2025, bro.
• 47:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: 128, 7 force fumbles and four picks from a linebacker.
• 47:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's
• 47:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to say that's that's good college production now is that's okay.
• 47:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's okay.
• 47:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's okay.
• 47:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think you know what is that it looks like that that production what we want to see is that their their combine performances match what you see on tape not like reinforce it.
• 47:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
• 47:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think with that now correct me if I'm wrong wasn't the only thing I worry about with the pushing or pursuing the stats right even if the tape matches right didn't we have.
• 48:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Was it trevin Wallace that actually had a some stance like a really good Like set of stats for his senior year as well or was it yeah, I think it wasn't him And so I mean, I'm you know, I know that those can be somewhat misleading But at the same time, I mean, I'm you know, I think that if if everything lines up and he fits the culture I think that
• 48:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, a linebacker that has that type of pedigree could certainly change the, I mean, think about the mustache dude like in Carolina, yeah.
• 48:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you like a and a white boy linebacker, um, nobody's not going to like that.
• 48:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know what I mean by that is that we got, we're getting the old stop, I mean, literally, it's just like the loop geekly is that these guys, it's kind of like a searching for a white corner and come on folks, people can make those jokes.
• 49:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: We are,
• 49:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, but here, think about this is so many styles for the R dash at four, what to say, four, four, six.
• 49:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, something like that.
• 49:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're talking about Jacob Rodriguez, who had all of that production in, um, in college for Texas Tech.
• 49:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: He runs a full, the 40 R dash of full second later, four, five, seven, but that's like standard type in.
• 49:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Results.
• 49:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
• 49:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: He had a 38 to half brought here.
• 49:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was very athletic for for what his position group would be, right?
• 49:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: So this guy is I think and I don't know where they're going to find, but I think once so many styles has come out, this is a name that a lot of Panther fans were throwing out there as an alternate to that.
• 50:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Again, you could have a guy like CJ Allen comes out of Georgia.
• 50:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was six foot one ways to 30.
• 50:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's the many plays.
• 50:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: People think he's the green dot live back or right away.
• 50:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Where, you know, could be right away.
• 50:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Team captain served as the glue of the Georgia defense.
• 50:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is Rodriguez had 128 tackles in 2025.
• 50:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Georgia stand out CJ Allen 88.
• 50:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: But he's known as a gap discipline low mis tackle rate.
• 50:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: And a lot of people believe that this is a safe floor CJ Allen.
• 50:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Jake Rodriguez, a lot of people believe it could be one of those guys that's a star.
• 51:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: You guys got you get ID people like Anthony Hill Jr. 21 year old from Texas six foot three 245 pounds hard hit and sales at run defense.
• 51:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: He ran a four five one so a little faster 37 inch vertical.
• 51:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Really around the same type of player profile.
• 51:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is a day two type player Kyle Lewis out of pit six foot six foot two hundred and twenty four pounds if you're looking day two.
• 51:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: So those day one guys if they're going to make a be aggressive at lineback or CJ Allen Jacob Rodriguez looking like it could be that.
• 51:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: See, we're going to take a couple of calls in just a minute, but I want to finish move on next, move on to the idea of
• 51:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: drafting a quarterback at on day three does not mean a Bryce young doubt.
• 51:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Great.
• 52:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: It means cat math, age curve.
• 52:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: And Dalton Exodus potentially.
• 52:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Dan Morgan's comments on Pat McAfee.
• 52:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're ultimately this is they asked him about potential
• 52:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and what the Carolina Panthers want to do there really nothing burger here.
• 52:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: In fact, the rumor mill of trading ant and of any don't maybe be and started by the Carolina Panthers in the background.
• 52:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 52:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, it's a, you know, let's be real about it.
• 52:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing that he's really shown on film that, you know, maybe one or two games in the past three years.
• 52:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: that Warren's conversation about him being able to play the game last year when he stepped in, it was, or was it the year before?
• 52:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, it was last year.
• 52:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't last year that yeah, it was the Buffalo Bill's game.
• 53:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was.
• 53:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: bad bad like he looked cool he looked just he just looked old and I don't think at any point there's been much that is shown like you're saying that anybody could like it's looked flacco I feel like it's had like a fountain of youth moment and not that like he's young but somehow he looked worse when he was 36 then he does at 40
• 53:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Don't look like he aged five years between last year and this year and that's in his face, but in that play like you said
• 53:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's, yeah, I think, you know, I was, I was of the mind that we're going to hold on to am I my first instinct with the Andy Dalton conversation was there's no reason to, you know, let him walk it's having a steady, you know, veteran in the position just in case they have to step in, but the problem is just like it has been horrible and I listen, it's not even just horrible.
• 54:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: in that game like we were talking about how bad he looked when we were down there watching the practices you know when I went down to fan fest like it was it was he looked bad then he looked bad in preseason he did not look like a good quarterback even against backup quarterbacks
• 54:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it was, it was largely problematic to see how poor he performed.
• 54:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, I loved the way Pat McAfee was trying to frame the question, which is, there's this resurgence of the older quarterback from Phillip Rivers to, you know, Joe Flaccoat, many of these other guys who have, you know, who've been able to come back and make a, you know,
• 54:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: you know, competing or being a competent leader for a team who maybe has dealt with injury at the quarterback position or something along those lines.
• 55:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just don't see Andy Dalton in the same category of Joe Flacco.
• 55:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I've nothing against Joe, you know, Andy Dalton, I'm just
• 55:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Some feel the same like this feels off Morgan said that they have not been engaged in any talks.
• 55:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like the internet has created chatter of trading Dalton, like a team giving up assets for a player that will be cut by the Carolina Panthers.
• 55:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think
• 55:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: This kind of absurd thing, but let me ask you this is we'll go through I'm just just better that like he would you take Andy Dalton over Kyler Murray if you're the jets or somebody like that.
• 55:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, no, I'd take Kyler Murray over Andy Dalton.
• 55:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Would you take and he don't know for Malik Willis no for the milk Willis you know Malik Willis is getting a lot of pub out there they're saying he's the best quarterback on the like when you look at the top 100 free agents.
• 55:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's number one on a lot of people's list, which is crazy to me, given imagine, you know, if you're, if you're the jets, you feel pretty bad because now, you know, the the quarterback he let go and in Sam Darnl goes out and wins a super ball right and he looks good doing it like he's not.
• 56:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's not like seeing Ghost Andy Dalton or, you know, um, uh, Sam Darnall.
• 56:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: But he's young, but yeah, he's pretty, but they're like 30, but think about the Malibuillist thing, right?
• 56:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because if you're the Tennessee Titans, you let him walk
• 56:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: because you were going after Will Levis and Will Levis turns out to be probably a bigger bus.
• 56:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: He actually is a guy that's also potentially could be on the is available.
• 56:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if he's on the roster or not.
• 56:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, he's going to be available.
• 56:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's going to be able to trade or value CK is like if you what you had to give up to get Andy
• 57:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: is negligibly different.
• 57:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're talking Dave fifth round six round picks, I think.
• 57:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 57:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: How about this, Aaron Rogers or Andy Dalton, I think, I mean, the only thing about and Aaron Rogers is probably going to be a stealer again for another year.
• 57:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry,
• 57:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he don't would be cheaper.
• 57:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I still believe Aaron Rodgers gives you a better overall chance.
• 57:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: And Aaron Rodgers is not the player he used to be.
• 57:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's not, but I mean, I think that if I if I look at what he did, even in a bad year with the with the Steelers, you know, when I say by year, bad, you're I'm saying that relatively speaking.
• 57:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean,
• 58:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: it was it was an okay year for for you know him and I just I think he every single game he played he looked better than Andy Dalton did in that bill's game.
• 58:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you were a team not that had to that had a free agent option of to let's tag of a loa or trading for Andy Dalton which one would you do?
• 58:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: i don't think i'm out of all these names that i give you i don't believe there's one name i would pick over and he don't i'm that's the last time i'm going to be genuinely fair with all of my like my responses i just i don't see it any other person that i would put in
• 58:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: it above.
• 58:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: She knows Smith or Andy don't.
• 58:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: She knows Smith.
• 58:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Mack Jones or Andy don't.
• 58:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Mack Jones.
• 58:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Joe Flacco or Andy don't.
• 59:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Joe Flacco.
• 59:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that the Panthers are going to get anybody's trade for Andy Dalton is my point for this exercise.
• 59:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 59:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't that not believe that he doesn't have a role as a backup quarterback.
• 59:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I think that his backup quarterback status is negligible
• 59:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I, I don't know if I even really see a, and I'm upset.
• 59:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not like, maybe I'm under selling the guy, but I don't know if the Carolina Panthers or any team really has much room for Andy Dalton, I feel like you can get just get another guy.
• 59:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's just knows a lot of football.
• 59:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you just want a ultimately a guy who is a quarterback's coach that is that is a player on your team that could come in and take a couple of snaps.
• 59:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just don't know how much value he really has there.
• 1:00:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: So when we talk about this, Morgan has been explicit about making the quarterback competition, the backup competition younger, right?
• 1:00:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: And ultimately, this is age roster management and potentially a guy who.
• 1:00:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the event of a catastrophe becomes a bridge more than a game or so, like I think Andy Dalton is a snapper to or a quarter or two, I don't think he's like three, four, five games or two.
• 1:00:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: So a lot of talk has come back and Dan Morgan's been very open about this CK, what do you thought's on his talk about and of youth, the youth movement because he did explicitly say, Bryce Young is my guy.
• 1:00:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: He likes Bryce.
• 1:00:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's really it's Bryce Young.
• 1:00:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Anybody that's being brought out brought in is a third quarterback that you're getting for super cheap
• 1:01:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: or a guy who is not developmental, but developmental in case of emergency, I mean, again, I think that he, the only issue I have with what he said is he's telegraphed the answer already.
• 1:01:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right, and that's that they do want to get younger and more athletic at the position, what's indicates to me that that they are I don't think that they're going to be willing to part with draft picks for quarterback so trading for a guy is going to be.
• 1:01:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: on unexpected or borderline unreasonable to expect that, but, you know, because he, you know, Pat Mack, if he was bringing up the Anthony Richardson, like we have a guy, you know, Anthony Richardson, yeah.
• 1:01:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: And Dan Morgan said, we're not, we're, we're keeping our draft picks.
• 1:02:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I could see them going late in the draft and picking a guy who could fill in.
• 1:02:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's been people, you know, some of the some out the Seattle's back up, what was that Drew Locke.
• 1:02:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, who didn't look like a, I mean, he wasn't, he wasn't bad for Denver, you know, it's just, you know, they, they traded him for a bag of chips and never really gave him an offense to play with and, you know, he went up there and has just had sat behind Gino Smith and then, unfortunately, Sam Donald came and there was another starter there that he didn't really have a chance of unceding.
• 1:02:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, there's quite a few guys out there that I think are, you know, able to be quality backups and I do like the idea of going with an athletic guy, but I also like going with the guy who has some experience in the in starting in the NFL.
• 1:02:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't like.
• 1:02:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: the thought process of going with the guy who is, you know, I mean, if we go with Rookie, I'm fine with the development aspect of that, but I would prefer that we go with somebody who has experience in the, uh,
• 1:03:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: in the actual NFL, in a starting capacity, no matter how limited that capacity of starting was.
• 1:03:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think if you're trapped in a player, you're talking about fifth, sixth, seventh round.
• 1:03:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I hated when the Panthers drafted.
• 1:03:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's no need at any point.
• 1:03:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: to draft anything prior fifth or earlier maybe fifth if it's late fifth for a guy who is this is a guy who is you know what is nothing says he's going to play today nothing actually is going to say he's going to play tomorrow but almost like a jake deloam type asked player
• 1:03:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, which is a guy that has enough to potentially be good.
• 1:03:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not ready now, but could be something and three or four years to where you get them involved in the organization.
• 1:04:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: He makes it.
• 1:04:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: He starts to get his feet wet.
• 1:04:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: He has goes to training camp a couple of times.
• 1:04:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Nobody wants him because he hasn't had any playing tape or this in that.
• 1:04:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then at the moment, you don't know you need them.
• 1:04:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: that they're younger or that by this point, they're not young anymore.
• 1:04:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: At this point, they're 27, 28, 29 years old, potentially, and you're finding a guy that is the bridge then for a team.
• 1:04:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why the almost is a bizarre thing to me.
• 1:04:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: CK is like,
• 1:04:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: we want competition at the back-up spot.
• 1:04:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: And what that really means is, is in a vent of emergency, break glass in the event of emergency.
• 1:04:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm talking season ending injury at like the end of the season or something like that, right?
• 1:05:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: to where you might have someone who could compete with a draft pick, maybe, or another, where you don't have to go and immediately pay everything in free agency, almost a backup backup who could be capable of being a backup slash starter in three years.
• 1:05:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Instead of this cycle of no names, I don't know, it has to be one of the most odd things is how do we prepare for our backup.
• 1:05:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: But keeping a guy like Dalton is too old to be good and too old to be cheap.
• 1:05:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's it's there's I don't think that you could make a solid argument that justifies having him still be on the team next year.
• 1:05:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: I really don't.
• 1:05:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think if you even if you draft it again, you're talking about.
• 1:06:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: hindering that dude's development in the third string taking reps with the third string players as opposed to getting, you know, at least some actual real reps with the, you know, second string.
• 1:06:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that it only is going to limit and hurt our ability to grow as a
• 1:06:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: moving on with Andy Dalton at the back up position.
• 1:06:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think there's any value to us whatsoever.
• 1:06:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: If we keep him on the roster this year.
• 1:06:40
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• 1:06:43
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• 1:06:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Take care.
• 1:06:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: I got to make sure the blue to first step.
• 1:06:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to take some cat calls.
• 1:06:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: We want to hear your thoughts.
• 1:06:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: We don't have a lot.
• 1:06:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: parsing words on what the small things of GM speak is and isn't.
• 1:07:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: See, okay, I might have to turn it right now, it hooked up.
• 1:07:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, look, as we saw, be aggressive and free agency, be aggressive, and it's all just nothing.
• 1:07:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I guess it is something, uh, because it's something we have to work with.
• 1:07:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we're not trying to speculate who the Panthers will get.
• 1:07:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're trying to understand what the Panthers are thinking about their roster and how they're going to manage this.
• 1:07:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: And really this is the earliest moments of this because free agency hasn't happened.
• 1:07:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: When we get free agency, we will learn a lot about what this team is coach speaking or GM speaking about the situation, yeah, and what the reality of the situation is go ahead and call in at 2 5 2 2 2 8 50 98 we got to talk about or ask is Tepper out of the way or is he just less visible is Dan Morgan a bad boy who doesn't blink.
• 1:08:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: And what will they do if free agency is testing this Dan Morgan sounds cool, but also cold.
• 1:08:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: He says they earned the right to test free agency.
• 1:08:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think saying too much, though, he might say I, in his heart, he might be saying, we got a signed cavemeas.
• 1:08:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Who knows?
• 1:08:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:08:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's, I think he also is of the mind.
• 1:08:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: He wants to be able to reward the players that they, they drafted and put in the work and everything, but I also think he has to live in reality and knowing that that's not always going to work out.
• 1:08:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, there's no two ways about it.
• 1:08:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's he is going to draw interest from probably quite a few people in the league.
• 1:09:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, namely might even be the bears with their starting center retiring at 27 years old.
• 1:09:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, so there's there are going to be people who are willing to, you know, go after Kate Mays and free agency.
• 1:09:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I do think that I cave mazes my biggest worry if not being able to get him back in the end of a pantry uniform.
• 1:09:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh... the numbers two five two two two eight fifty ninety eight uh... we still got it to get to like i said is tipper uninvolved or less visible and what do you think about tight-end let's go to the hope dealer uh... my man my man my man squeeze a great friend and a needed color ck
• 1:09:58
  [SPEAKER_07]: What up, everybody out there?
• 1:09:59
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's the hope that the check and end real quick.
• 1:10:02
  [SPEAKER_07]: Can't be Tuesday.
• 1:10:04
  [SPEAKER_07]: Hey, so I had a chance to think about something post-combin, after listen to listen and to quite a few of the commentators.
• 1:10:12
  [SPEAKER_07]: And I started thinking, y'all, and comment conspiracy theorists, if you want.
• 1:10:17
  [SPEAKER_07]: But they'd call it a smart man.
• 1:10:21
  [SPEAKER_07]: In my opinion, he just successfully bought himself another year
• 1:10:29
  [SPEAKER_07]: think about it.
• 1:10:30
  [SPEAKER_07]: After a playoff year in 2025, now if the offense fails this year, no worries he'll just fire his seat.
• 1:10:39
  [SPEAKER_07]: If the defense fails this year, no worries he'll just fire ever row.
• 1:10:43
  [SPEAKER_07]: If both of them fail, fine he'll just fire them both, but keep himself another year.
• 1:10:49
  [SPEAKER_07]: Canalist boy, he's slick, he's slick, but I imagine I don't think there's a smart move.
• 1:10:55
  [SPEAKER_07]: But this is my words, y'all, if something fails, those coordinators are going to be state votes, you can believe that.
• 1:11:01
  [SPEAKER_07]: But hey, if they succeed, which we all really want to happen because we love our team, this campus fans, and they get promoted.
• 1:11:09
  [SPEAKER_07]: Like I said, lastly, can now this can still call plays because he helps construct the offense, anyone.
• 1:11:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 1:11:15
  [SPEAKER_07]: And he can always bring in another defensive coordinator to satisfy the narrative that the defense needs to change.
• 1:11:23
  [SPEAKER_07]: I just look at Canalist's playing chess man, you know, he's playing chess and damn Morgan got the chess board, but.
• 1:11:30
  [SPEAKER_07]: Anyway, these are my thoughts, man.
• 1:11:31
  [SPEAKER_07]: Let me know y'all thoughts on that.
• 1:11:33
  [SPEAKER_07]: Once again, it's the hope, Della.
• 1:11:35
  [SPEAKER_07]: Appreciate y'all.
• 1:11:35
  [SPEAKER_07]: Love y'all.
• 1:11:36
  [SPEAKER_07]: Keep pounding.
• 1:11:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: I love this call, Dan Morgan as we're talking about tonight.
• 1:11:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: What Dan Morgan's let us know about this team.
• 1:11:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was asked about what he thought, you know, how they were involved in these decisions and what he thought about Brad is it.
• 1:11:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: And again, these reporters,
• 1:11:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: If anything, I know everybody hates my man.
• 1:11:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Who's the guy that everybody hates for ESPN?
• 1:12:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, uh, not Steven A Smith, right?
• 1:12:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, the Panthers reporter.
• 1:12:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, um, oh, for, uh, Dave, Dave, Dave, Dave Newton, Dave Newton.
• 1:12:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: For all the people that hate Dave Newton.
• 1:12:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: while he may be a at times bumbling and stumbling, which I do, and probably you do in your life as well.
• 1:12:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: The one thing Dave does is ask the question that you like kind of like maybe it's not even it could be even better.
• 1:12:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: But he asked the question that might be so ridiculous or so front facing that other people don't have the guts to ask it.
• 1:12:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I do believe that like the media that is close to the team is so, there are so kind.
• 1:12:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, hey, I know you know Brad is it since he's a kid.
• 1:13:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Tells why you think this is a good move.
• 1:13:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, they're like really lob these soft balls up.
• 1:13:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I understand it too because by being a dick and asking the question that anybody and like the real, real, real, gritty question is gonna get a couple of things.
• 1:13:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's gonna get you on their bad side.
• 1:13:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're not gonna get an answer anyway.
• 1:13:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you gotta ask these softies to get anything out of these.
• 1:13:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: they asked Dan Morgan what they thought and like kind of who led this and what they thought about Brad is it but he started with his uh you've known Brad is it since he was the middle school uh because his dad was a coach at Seattle Dan was working in the front office you ought to be happy for him right yeah like they were like we're giving him words to start with you got to be happy for this guy and I get it I would do the same
• 1:13:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: But if we really want it's like what we really want, which we're not it's not going to really get us anything is like put damn we're going to fucking interrogation room and put the light over his head after we blasted death metal for two days and gave him deprivation and then say how this really go down.
• 1:14:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: did you tell them, but we don't get that.
• 1:14:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Brad is, he's happy, he's known him since he was a kid.
• 1:14:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Comes from a football family, excited to see this.
• 1:14:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: But what I do think is going to what Dan Morgan said was a positive is he said we talk about everything.
• 1:14:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: We don't tell anybody what to do.
• 1:14:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: We agree, disagree, sometimes on, but that's what you're supposed to do.
• 1:14:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: But what he did say was, um, or second, and in a very normalized way, was Dave Canales, when it focused more on being a head coach.
• 1:14:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: And to me, this is what I would, if when Cody returns, and I know he dies on this hill about everything.
• 1:15:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: is that he's like, well, this is what you have an offensive coach, this is what you have this.
• 1:15:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is where the hope dealer brings in some good things to me is that we still have an offensive coach.
• 1:15:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: We have a guy that understands offensive philosophy that looks at the game from that probably is leaning more towards offensive picks and the draft then towards defensive picks.
• 1:15:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if calling plays negates his value, he can enhance his value as an overall coach.
• 1:15:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: And this has been my argument CK as we've talked about this for the last couple of weeks, even when Sue and Cody were still on the show and he will be returning folks.
• 1:15:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: We don't know when, but it will happen.
• 1:15:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: But is that, yes, he's not calling plays, and y'all, what happens when your offensive coordinator come to leave?
• 1:15:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, because you have an offensive coach with a vision, with a philosophy that can speak in those terms that can help, that can be involved rather than just hope and pray that he's getting guys that work good as advisors for him, I think you can weather an offensive transition better with him.
• 1:16:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: whether that is him, maybe having to step in if this doesn't work.
• 1:16:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: If this doesn't work and he steps in, it sucks for everybody, it sucks for the team, it sucks for Isaac, it sucks for the confidence of everybody and you can go ahead and say that Isaac is going to be gone after that.
• 1:16:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're not going to be friends anymore.
• 1:16:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is really where the real risk of hiring your buddies comes in.
• 1:16:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: but I think we can weather it better and I do think what Dan Morgan highlighted CK was is that now he can give more attention to the overall team in a sense or the overall coaching philosophy if he's in training camp and or in a like a preseason game and he needs to go and sit with Bryce for a second.
• 1:17:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: He can do it.
• 1:17:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Or at least go over and say hello instead of head in the call sheet doing all of this, yeah, I think like it's that he wanted more of an overview, we talked about how this gives him a ability to step back, I don't think it means that he's uninvolved or incapable.
• 1:17:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think this is a positive move.
• 1:17:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think C.K., the big deal about this is that him being able to give it to his best bud who was labeled as the offensive coordinator and had he not been able to do that, it would have been more of an omission.
• 1:17:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: If he had a bringing an ounce, that's something wasn't working.
• 1:17:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think this was the smoothest transition of him moving to head coach role, giving more delegation of people.
• 1:17:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: And one of the hardest things to being a leader or a manager is learning to delegate rather than doing everything yourself.
• 1:18:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that it's 100% the hardest thing to do.
• 1:18:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: in any leadership position, and that is to give up any of that control.
• 1:18:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because the best way, the best way I can describe it is you are trying to explain to your kid how to sweep.
• 1:18:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: And they're doing it in such a horrible way like I'm just going to do it.
• 1:18:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to do it.
• 1:18:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just do it.
• 1:18:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 1:18:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 1:18:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so instead what you should do is let them learn even if it's not being done the way you like it and then be able to let them go and do it.
• 1:18:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 1:18:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think this is the same thing to do.
• 1:18:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, same thing for for Dave can now say, thank you.
• 1:18:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: I have to give them a lot of credit.
• 1:18:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because this isn't the same situation.
• 1:18:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: I can take the broomstick away from my son and sweep the living room and sleep at the kitchen or anything like that if I needed to right Dave can Alice is doing this and if he just took the reins back immediately it looks incredibly short sighted right.
• 1:19:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I do think that I think this takes a tremendous a lot it's going to it's a gamble.
• 1:19:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's be real.
• 1:19:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is a gamble.
• 1:19:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: I hate that the gamble is happening in the midst of us building our team back up, you know, but I don't think it's as much as a gamble as him taking on too much.
• 1:19:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I know what you mean by that, but I think that.
• 1:19:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: the the part is you know what it sounds like ck you are a person that recognizes that so many times this is a hard point for people to give up this and I'm a person that's very hard it's not about delegate is this is that it's faster and easier to do it then for me to teach you to do it and hope that it's right and that I can make everybody's life better but then
• 1:20:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: it's hard to teach and relinquish this.
• 1:20:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're right, CK though, is that if the real thing is he has to do this with honesty, conviction, and confidence, not reluctance because if this does become, think about this, is that this offense fucking sucked for a lot of weeks.
• 1:20:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: And imagine if you have been like, sorry, Dave can now take a play call and wait for me.
• 1:20:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: He has to have the confidence in this decision to weather success in adversity as well.
• 1:20:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's it's I'm glad I'm not in his shoes.
• 1:20:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'll say that much because, you know, this is, I mean, and I think most people are going to be able to if you're a reasonable person you're looking at this and you're like, I understand Cody's position, right, I understand the people who are not happy with the decision to give the play calling to a guy who isn't the offensive mind that was hired to.
• 1:21:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: I hope this this team, you know, move in the right direction offensively.
• 1:21:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I also do agree with you Tony and like even if Reddit did get promoted or he got a hit coach and job elsewhere.
• 1:21:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Dave can now, this is just going to take over play calling again.
• 1:21:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like it's not like he finds a guy.
• 1:21:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's confident.
• 1:21:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I mean is like that.
• 1:21:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he's going to get there.
• 1:21:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the structure is there.
• 1:21:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think he'll take overplay calling again, at least for another year to let that person acclimate to the system, who, ever, maybe in that offensive coordinator role at that point in time.
• 1:21:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't think it's as much of a loss as we, you know, that many of those people are going to be thinking if we did find ourselves in a situation where Brad Eddick has decided to move on with another organization and hopefully, you know, ideally it'd be in a head coaching position.
• 1:22:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I have to be because it's hard to move laterally in the role system for them to interview unless it is a vertical interview.
• 1:22:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: Let's go back to the calls of number two, five, two, two, eight, fifty, ninety eight, just four calls ahead of you guys right now.
• 1:22:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: the pants is to drive Jacob Rodriguez.
• 1:22:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: Man, I looked at these highlights that dude is the damn truth man.
• 1:22:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: And call me crazy.
• 1:22:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: I like him better than that dude from Ohio State to be honest man.
• 1:22:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: Jacob Rodriguez, I don't take this one away y'all, but he gives me Luke Keith Lee vibes.
• 1:22:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: No, he's not Luke Keith.
• 1:23:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: No, he is not, but he gives me the vibes of Luke Keith Lee.
• 1:23:04
  [SPEAKER_06]: Luke Kigley was a damn ball hockey time a ball was pitched out to a run-and-back or throne he was there or closed by it.
• 1:23:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I really really really hope that the Panthers draft Jacob Rodriguez, but no one of us, Dan Morgan's going to draft somebody else because last year, you know, I thought there was going to get that one dude in place with a frog because I forgot his damn name.
• 1:23:26
  [SPEAKER_06]: Not to do to get trouble because I was thinking with it.
• 1:23:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: They want to get an amtettin' in them and whatever, you know what I'm saying, but yeah, Jacob Rodriguez.
• 1:23:39
  [SPEAKER_06]: You put him with us, the only thing that's making me if he iffy about that pick y'all is to play a three four defense.
• 1:23:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: That's the only thing, if he played a four three, we're hain' with two other linebackers, he'll be fucking sick.
• 1:23:52
  [SPEAKER_06]: But, for three four.
• 1:23:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, they will plug them in some way somehow.
• 1:23:57
  [SPEAKER_06]: But I'll give you a thoughts on that.
• 1:23:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'll take Jacob Rodriguez to take somebody else with the first pick, what the 19th pick and the first round.
• 1:24:04
  [SPEAKER_06]: Give me a thoughts on that y'all.
• 1:24:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: Keep pounding.
• 1:24:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: My stash alone says, uh, pornographic quality immensely, uh, A plus.
• 1:24:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
• 1:24:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, but here's the thing is so many styles out of the question, the two, the outside linebacker and areas or wherever his guy's name was the two Ohio State guys, their numbers were just so insane.
• 1:24:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: They cemented top 10 picks and feels like they're not going to be there.
• 1:24:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: for the Carolina Panthers.
• 1:24:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: And from what Dan Morgan has said is that he's not really interested in giving up draft picks.
• 1:24:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't feel like he feels that need is going to be so much that he has to jump up and to jump into the top 10 costs so much.
• 1:24:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like in the range of talking about what it takes to drop into the top five.
• 1:25:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Carolina Panthers are picking at 19.
• 1:25:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's my instinct right now is that they need a player or they want to player that's going to be good enough to contribute, trading back helps in that long term.
• 1:25:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I might not.
• 1:25:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think they want to pick at that first round pick and get a higher end player and negotiate the draft in the second, third, fourth, fifth, right?
• 1:25:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe there's movement there.
• 1:25:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe if they drop from 19 to 21 or 19 to 17, I could see some movement like that.
• 1:25:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: The Jacob Rodriguez is that this is the type of player when you see the stats he put on the field.
• 1:25:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that his measurables in the combine are maybe a clips in overshadowed and since by the Sony style like wow effect.
• 1:26:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you think of the measurables required to be a bad ass linebacker in the NFL, he's got him.
• 1:26:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: And to me, it's like, is he available at 19 question, right?
• 1:26:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: That is some of the things that I'm starting to think of.
• 1:26:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: So put Sony styles out of your head.
• 1:26:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Look at Jacob Rodriguez as a blue chip if you get a linebacker and he's there at 19.
• 1:26:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: But there's a chance that guy goes 11, 12, 13.
• 1:26:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm just guessing.
• 1:26:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what people were saying.
• 1:26:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 1:26:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: But we've seen these guys when it comes back to the the NC State player that Luke Keeley, Luke Keeley, um, tutoring.
• 1:26:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, we were thinking he was in that top 15
• 1:26:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: there's a chance Rodriguez is out of our range and there's a chance he is in the range and it does look like a number of 19 fit there could be and a lot of things that are going for him.
• 1:27:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to take another call come back and talk quickly how to carry a lot of panthers.
• 1:27:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe interested in a number 19 pick could a kinyon sadik sadik sadik sadik be available
• 1:27:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, he's a clear top one top tier NFL tied and prospect and has run his athletic numbers are off the charts when it comes to what a tight end can be.
• 1:27:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: He'll be a mismatch weapon.
• 1:27:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Could he be an option for the pay.
• 1:27:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's at 19.
• 1:27:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Would he even be available and the Panthers may have to pull the trigger there.
• 1:27:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's take another call real quick and we'll get in to the final parts of the show still got to talk David Teper and the what if what happens flow chart if if free agency then draft.
• 1:28:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: Hey guys, John B. Jenkins here and happy Tuesday first of all, I just want to say just I love Tuesdays.
• 1:28:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: I love being a real sure these two days with you guys.
• 1:28:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's almost like going to church.
• 1:28:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, but here I am with your weekly alternative football league update and I've got a couple things to talk about.
• 1:28:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: We got the NAL and we've got the UFL and a little bit of the continental football league update.
• 1:28:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: But the NAL started their preseason this past weekend.
• 1:28:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: The playblood punishers beat their out of league opponent and the
• 1:28:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: I watch the highlights there, you know, not that exciting, but one thing that I thought was really exciting is that the Dallas Bulls who will do their preseason game this weekend will be playing against team Mexico.
• 1:29:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: And that's right.
• 1:29:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: You heard that correctly, teams Mexico.
• 1:29:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: This is another out of league opponent.
• 1:29:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: So what they do in the NAL is the first week, the week zero is all preseason matchups and they'll get anybody that can get to come in and play them.
• 1:29:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: So apparently, there is an arena league in Mexico that I just discovered this past week, it was like the most exciting thing that happened.
• 1:29:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think they have like 40 teams in this league.
• 1:29:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: So this team Mexico is going to face the Dallas Bulls is just the best of all of these 40 teams or whatever.
• 1:29:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: But there is a team called Ohio State.
• 1:29:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: There is a team called the University of Oklahoma.
• 1:29:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's a team called the Carolina Panthers.
• 1:30:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: You can look up this league.
• 1:30:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: It is L-E-X-F-A and it's been around apparently since 2009.
• 1:30:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, and it's an arena league slash outdoor 7 on 7 league.
• 1:30:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, anyway, this is just me geeking out and nerd it out, machine and you guys, with you guys, some sort of obscure football knowledge that I found this week.
• 1:30:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: But it is, it was ridiculously exciting for myself, uh, and all turn of football league fan.
• 1:30:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, so, uh, if you want to this weekend, you can check out on the NAL network.
• 1:30:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: the Dallas Bulls facing against Team Mexico.
• 1:30:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then last little bit of an update I had here is the USL started their training camps and they put out a video of Coach AJ McCaren of the Burning Him stallions talking about his team, but they also put out a video of Coach Ted Ginn Jr. former Carolina fan if they're talking about his team, the Columbus Aviators.
• 1:31:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: So it's pretty interesting to check out.
• 1:31:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: I suggest you guys go check.
• 1:31:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for the weekly alternative football updates.
• 1:31:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: In fact, right now, because you said we're going to church, I'm hosting the show as dashboard Jesus right now, Bobblehead Jesus, Nick, my
• 1:31:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Met, oh, here we go.
• 1:31:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: I see a bottom right, where did Nick send it to me?
• 1:31:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, sent me this a while back former NFL Carolina players playing in the UFL this season Matt Corral name that's that LaVisca Strenult the on tape brown
• 1:32:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Phil Hoskins is a name I recognize I recognize a lot of these are player a jack plumber recognize that head coach take in junior like defensive coordinator captain Monorlin see there's another it's more on the list right there thank you John B Jenkins for
• 1:32:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: We only have two calls left and not much much show left, even though we know how, just even talking about these players stats where they came from takes time up, but we thank you for your time and energy for listening to the C3 Panthers podcast.
• 1:32:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's go back to the hope dealer.
• 1:32:52
  [SPEAKER_07]: Hey, what up, y'all?
• 1:32:53
  [SPEAKER_07]: Hope that was second call, time and then we'll quick.
• 1:32:56
  [SPEAKER_07]: Hey, I got a name for y'all.
• 1:32:58
  [SPEAKER_07]: Featly Legion, I got a name for y'all.
• 1:33:01
  [SPEAKER_07]: Dead and Lloyd.
• 1:33:03
  [SPEAKER_07]: Devon Lloyd, how about bringing in Devon Lloyd as that middle linebacker?
• 1:33:11
  [SPEAKER_07]: Think about it.
• 1:33:12
  [SPEAKER_07]: If we get a free agent linebacker like Devon Lloyd to the Panthers, who is obviously performing at a high level, when he's only 27 years old, man, that affiliate stuff in the draft where
• 1:33:31
  [SPEAKER_07]: or just go best play available.
• 1:33:34
  [SPEAKER_07]: I know it seems like we may need an offensive tackle as well.
• 1:33:39
  [SPEAKER_07]: Not only with it, he did it out, but Taylor Moton, less space that he's getting towards in the back end of fiscal rear.
• 1:33:46
  [SPEAKER_07]: So I want to see which I'll think, see three legions, as far as Devon Lloyd, CK, Tony Dunn, a pre-shaped man, which you guys are doing, shout out to Cody Lack.
• 1:34:01
  [SPEAKER_07]: put them on with their showing off season and it's not always easy but I just want to try to know man how much you guys are appreciate it for doing this weekend and a week out giving us campus fans somewhere to time in but anyway y'all just the hope they're ready everybody out there stay hopeful keep pounding.
• 1:34:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: The theme of tonight's show was aggressiveness, right, or at least thinking about how Dan Morgan said he was going to be aggressive and free agency and the draft that was part of their philosophy confidence conviction.
• 1:34:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, actually, and here's the thing is, well, what kind of bounce ahead, and we're going to, um, well, maybe come back or just briefly just talk about a couple of tight-amp picks that could be, maybe we'll save it, but one of the things is when you talk about a Devon Lloyd, you're talking about, um, a premier off the ball linebacker, um, in this NFL free agency class, you're talking about a player that Jacksonville
• 1:35:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: or declined his fifth year option.
• 1:35:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Should we say any responded with a career best season, you know, in that final year.
• 1:35:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Lloyd is set to hit the open market CK and the jag wars have not been able to reach an extension with them.
• 1:35:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: So they could have had them.
• 1:35:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: They didn't know the success in the needs that they were going to have.
• 1:35:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: they banked on or sort of bet on let's learn more about this player.
• 1:35:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: In many ways you can think about how we talked about Bryce Young with this.
• 1:35:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: is do you make them play the final year of his contract and then he just hits free agency and it's good or bad and you could be put in a tough place there where you don't have enough information.
• 1:35:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: You want more information, but you need to pay because you don't know what to do.
• 1:35:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Little linebacker the stakes are a lot lower.
• 1:36:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Then a quarter back.
• 1:36:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: So Jacksonville wrote the dice.
• 1:36:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: They didn't pick up the fifth year option on a former first round pick.
• 1:36:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Anyone out there any bald.
• 1:36:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is a guy that, where you're going to be aggressive comes back to our initial question or you're aggressive in free agency or in the draft or what position group and how will you do it?
• 1:36:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: If the Panthers were to aggressively pursue a player like Devon Lloyd C. K., you're talking about an instant plug and play.
• 1:36:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: a lead player and his prime that's going to get really significant money like you are you're kind of it's the Milton Williams type move maybe not to that amount of money overall but you are saying this is this is our solution now in the years coming I
• 1:37:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: The linebacker franchise tag was supposed to be at 28.2 million, which is insane.
• 1:37:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: You could, they're right now, the projected market value for Lloyd is a deal between 16 and 20 million.
• 1:37:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's widely considered the top available player, his position, and often placed in the top
• 1:37:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: He earned his first pro bowl, was named second team all pro.
• 1:37:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: He had five interceptions, including a 99 yard pick six, seven passed off in the two 10 keep cubic hits.
• 1:37:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: He finished with an 89.1 overall grade among PFF, ranking third and all linebackers.
• 1:37:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: To me, as this is, if the Panthers were to do this,
• 1:38:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: They did it with conviction.
• 1:38:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: I told you that right is that and I think C. K is I don't know how quickly if you want that middle line back or that green dot and you draft him as a rookie.
• 1:38:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're not getting to where you want that person to be until you're two, you're three, that doesn't mean they won't play, that doesn't mean, but like their potential is not going to be reached.
• 1:38:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: When you sign a player like this, you're saying this is a guy that's going to be the position and we can look in the draft other ways.
• 1:38:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: The only thing that I come back to this is that right now, if the Carolina Panthers are going to pay him say, say, we just split the difference between 16 and 20 and say 18 million.
• 1:39:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: One of the subjects that we had run in and that's why we'll pair it will will pivot to this next was.
• 1:39:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Dan Morgan said free agency dictates everything.
• 1:39:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Rico doubt he's doubtless likely gone.
• 1:39:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that the Panthers and him have the right future and fit together, let alone the money.
• 1:39:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: But many people are arguing that Kate Mays is going to be a tough time at $10 million dollars a year.
• 1:39:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: If Kate Mays is a tough sign at $10 million.
• 1:39:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's impossible to get a player like Devon Lloyd, but I think that you would be staking your claim at that point and I also wouldn't be upset about it.
• 1:39:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think staking your claim at a player because that's a player I want to be more involved now than later.
• 1:40:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, when you get a free agency, okay, right is like it's about it's not about now only But I was thinking about players that were restructuring or potential Restructure people and there's a tweet floating around people have sent me about how good Damien Lewis was this year and we went out got Damien Lewis and Robert Hunt in the same year Payton both big money.
• 1:40:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: We paid Robert Hunt even more money
• 1:40:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Robert Hunt was a toasted town last year.
• 1:40:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Damian Lewis had a very good or a good year as first year.
• 1:40:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: I had a great year this year.
• 1:40:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: These guys are like culture centers now and in two or three years from now, I think the Panthers need a guy,
• 1:40:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: everybody can't be young and everybody can't be old and sometimes you got to get a premium and a premium player at middle linebacker is cheaper than a premium player at offensive tackle, a cheaper than a defensive end, cheaper than that quarterback.
• 1:41:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's got to be making less money than J.C. Horn.
• 1:41:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is a position where you could go get a top to your player overplay slightly,
• 1:41:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
• 1:41:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: I almost think that paying Kate May is 10 million dollars a year isn't too much.
• 1:41:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if you can get the eight, I'd go for the eight, sure.
• 1:41:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: But no, it's, uh, I think Kate Mays has got to be an honest candidate that we want to bring back.
• 1:41:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I just, it's, it's, and I know that seems like a dumb thought, but you know, our dumb, you know, statement to make because it's pretty clear that that's going to be what they intend as to have them come back.
• 1:41:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I just, if it's not a priority of theirs, I'm, I think that would be my biggest, I think that'd be an air on the part of Dan Morgan.
• 1:42:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, let's see if we got one more call to go.
• 1:42:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: We'll take this call and let's just quickly talk tight ends.
• 1:42:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: And when I say tight ends, there might be a tight end that some people say could be they're at 15 to the 20th pick range, which is in the range of Carolina.
• 1:42:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: But this tight end ran a four, three, nine.
• 1:42:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm starting to wonder, how do you make a guy?
• 1:42:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: like Kenyan Sadik out of Oregon, slipped to 19 or not being the top 15.
• 1:42:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: When you talk about some of these athletic stats and the way tight ends are changing the game, I feel like people have reached on less at this point.
• 1:42:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Final call that night will just quickly roll through that and then tell you about the temper incident and finish up the show.
• 1:42:59
  [SPEAKER_05]: What up y'all?
• 1:43:00
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's now an O'Cow from Wimison.
• 1:43:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: pleasure to see Tony Dunn and CK doing this thing on Tuesday night, make sure you're all hitting that like button.
• 1:43:11
  [SPEAKER_05]: This isn't very good.
• 1:43:12
  [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you, boys are putting now.
• 1:43:14
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's the dollar days.
• 1:43:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: We, we almost lost season, you know, we've got to support these guys doing good.
• 1:43:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you, bring us this information, this content, these opinions.
• 1:43:27
  [SPEAKER_05]: As far
• 1:43:33
  [SPEAKER_05]: to targeting a linebacker in the second round.
• 1:43:36
  [SPEAKER_05]: Although I would say Anthony Hill's junior is probably a better cross bet.
• 1:43:42
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think for what we need, I'm of the mindset that this year is either our trade bet to get extra picks or we take a tackle like Fano that can play left right now.
• 1:43:59
  [SPEAKER_05]: and then he's had meaningful snaps at all five positions in the line, so that he kind of fits what we need as far as you're taking a quarterback in the late 83, I really like that Cole Peyton kid, you know, one year starter and he's got wheels.
• 1:44:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: So I mean, he's more of an asset that we can use him in different ways as well as being a back of quarterback in case and field that God was always messing with us.
• 1:44:29
  [SPEAKER_05]: Just my opinion, y'all are killing it.
• 1:44:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: Keep on it.
• 1:44:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you very much.
• 1:44:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: We need your insight because I need you guys to help me.
• 1:44:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: But decipher, decipher through this data of possibilities and possibilities and probabilities.
• 1:44:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: When we come back to the tight end position group CK as we asked about the Carolina Panthers and we're just thinking about positions and we're just post combine.
• 1:44:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: We'll have a lot more to talk about.
• 1:44:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: As we get more information with the free agency and what but look is jatavian sanders Oh, gosh, why's the guy escaping me the Notre Dame dude right now Jatavian sanders.
• 1:45:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we got Mitchell we got Mitchell last year and he looked like he's like pretty productive who was the other one Tommy Trimble Tommy Trimble, but now those guys look like the guy
• 1:45:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 1:45:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Matt Mitchell might be to be honest.
• 1:45:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think he could stand out.
• 1:45:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Sanders, how much do the Carolina Panthers want to invest if you're looking in the first round and like a difference making wildly athletic tight ends?
• 1:45:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Kenyan City get of Oregon.
• 1:45:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's a top.
• 1:45:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's a first round pick.
• 1:45:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: It looks like he's a mismatch weapon.
• 1:45:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: He ran a 439 40 yard dash had a 43 and a half article inch and 11 and one inch project.
• 1:45:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: These numbers are like
• 1:46:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if the Carolina Panthers need to be doing this, but adding a player like that of that caliber, you can't argue against it.
• 1:46:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: He recorded eight touchdowns in 2025 and he's viewed as a premiere red zone threat.
• 1:46:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: But if the Carolina Panthers were looking to add through the draft, other names like Eli Stauers at a Vanderbilt, who had this guy might be a little secret.
• 1:46:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: secret just watch Jim of the draft.
• 1:46:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: This guy had a ran a 451, which is like respectable for tight ends.
• 1:46:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, not respectable.
• 1:46:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a good tight end.
• 1:46:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: This like that was a good tight end number until this dude said he ruined it for everybody.
• 1:46:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
• 1:46:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: He had a 45 and a half inch vertical jump.
• 1:46:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's an excellent pass catcher.
• 1:46:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: He had 111 receptions and 147 yards in the last two seasons.
• 1:47:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Other names like Max Clair, Joe Roy, Jack Andries, day three sleepers.
• 1:47:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think this is like for me, like if the Carolina Panthers are either going to take a tight in early or not.
• 1:47:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's how I feel about it is like either they're going to make a stand about like we want somebody that we think is the dude that among dudes that could be the next brought powers or somebody else or we'll want to work with the guys we got and maybe find avenues through free agency so I don't look for the care like is like I think they will be.
• 1:47:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: intentional when it comes to that.
• 1:47:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Final thoughts on tonight's show.
• 1:47:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: We got two topics less left, quick ones.
• 1:47:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Morgan talked about we've we've I've heard fans or I heard Dan Morgan go on Pat McAfee and he talked about the owner and stuff like this, a great relationship, but fans have been in our chat over the last weeks or months or year.
• 1:48:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Have talked about how the team has gotten better as they've and I even saw early on chat is like give the football guys their decision making.
• 1:48:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is David Teper less involved or less visible, C. K. I, you, you were asking this or at least started the thought of this earlier.
• 1:48:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I've been trying to figure out what I think my answer is, and I think that he's involved
• 1:48:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I also think he is not a towering presence.
• 1:48:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, in the Claire file in my position, I want to make it, you know, is straight forward as I possibly can.
• 1:49:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think Dan Morgan and Dave Tepper have a fantastic relationship.
• 1:49:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think they are Kendrick Spirits in some ways.
• 1:49:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that Dan Morgan absolutely is going to go to, you know, Dave Tepper with.
• 1:49:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, maybe some some ideas and see what Dave Tepper thinks or what have you, but I think ultimately the decision still lands on Dan Morgan about, you know, most of the football operations side of things.
• 1:49:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I think I think he is less visible, but I think he's more present.
• 1:49:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: or less present than most people would have believed him to be had this been two years ago last year I want to say less influential right all right comment from I was asked about David Tepper and Dan Morgan
• 1:50:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the idea was I was looking at this comment from the idea is that David Teper finally gave the David over to Dan Morgan, Brant Tillis, and his stepped out from the point guard discussions to forcing these things or being too orchestrated.
• 1:50:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: But Dan Morgan did say this is not only any, he said, look, they have a great work in relationship,
• 1:50:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, but he said he does take it all to him daily, maybe even more than once a day.
• 1:50:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it's not like he just like, hey, I'll check in when when train camps kicking off.
• 1:50:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: He is there in present, like you said, but how, um, orchestrate of he is.
• 1:50:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh we hope is like is more maybe uh like we were talking about the confidence to delegate right um and to relinquish that be involved be there like to know be in the know but not um move the needle as much could be there right so those are things to think about and this comes from a comment where they talked about the ice throwing incident
• 1:51:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: um... it was the jacks came in jacks and billion and they talked about damn organ said a guy had been a obnoxious talking junk the whole time they you know what you have to listen to that i would say to damn workers like sorry you have listened to obnoxious assholes near the super rich in the box but it's that it came down to them the guy was either celebrating cheering or talking junk about player injury damn organ had told him to shut the hell up it escalated
• 1:51:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Dan Morgan took a lot of heat.
• 1:51:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: He said, look, and this is a story that's what makes this endearing and probably authentic and real CK, is this story in the rear view?
• 1:52:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, it's not like you had to go back and release these.
• 1:52:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Dan Morgan and you could have just said, look, it could have diverted the question,
• 1:52:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think that somehow they have developed, not somehow, but there is a strong working relationship there.
• 1:52:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: And what you need with a billionaire like that and the tenuous situation like the Panthers have been is a guy who can be strong, but also navigate those relationship character
• 1:52:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: We've already talked about free agency.
• 1:52:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think is it coming back to that.
• 1:52:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's going to finish anything out.
• 1:52:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like Dan Morgan has said free agency would dictate the draft.
• 1:52:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: We'll figure that out.
• 1:52:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: I guess our final point about this is that free agency dictates a lot of this.
• 1:52:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Then we have to think about this.
• 1:52:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: You can't give you kind of if and then situations.
• 1:53:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: We don't have to talk about them, but just think about them.
• 1:53:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: If the Panthers were to sign a top tier edge, thanks of Bradley Chubb or some insane other name, then linebacker or offensive tackle could be more in play at 19, right, offensive line.
• 1:53:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: If they were to sign like a dev and Lloyd that top in middle linebacker edge safety or maybe even somewhere in the middle rounds or anywhere the offensive line could rise in priority.
• 1:53:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: If Kate Mays returns then offensive line is less urgent than you could think of maybe.
• 1:53:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, opening up again for like I think that edge is probably, um, not where the Carolina Panthers are going to be looking too much.
• 1:54:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they've invested kind of a lot and scorting an omen, me one, but if they did, I think that, um, if, if May's walks though, then you got to look towards the offensive line.
• 1:54:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: And last day we're able to replace that in free agents.
• 1:54:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, unless there was some move.
• 1:54:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think again, I think we we kind of touch based on a free agency is 100% going to tell us exactly what they're going to do with that first pick in the draft.
• 1:54:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just might be one of the only times in that I'm going to say this is a pan, you know, as a pan to shan.
• 1:54:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that is.
• 1:54:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: We are not going to be drafting best player available.
• 1:54:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be drafting the best player available for what we need, and that's going to be why I think we're going to have all the needs among at least three to four different position groups.
• 1:54:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I guess at the end, this draft isn't about the player they love or the position they need.
• 1:55:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's about what they have to solve.
• 1:55:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
• 1:55:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, and where they got to fix and how they can fix it the best and how that that fix doesn't create short and learned long term problems.
• 1:55:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: And guess what folks, that's the NFL draft every year for every team or at least for the Carolina Panthers.
• 1:55:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: We'll be monitoring their cuts, their additions for the agency's approaching franchise tags are being delegated right now.
• 1:55:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that was it, right?
• 1:55:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Was it, yeah, I think, um, was it brief all?
• 1:55:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Who's that running back for the jets?
• 1:55:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, brief all they did.
• 1:55:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: How pit.
• 1:55:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, not pit.
• 1:55:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, somebody else.
• 1:55:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, we're not in that group.
• 1:55:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: So soon, uh, not too long from now.
• 1:55:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to be talking about creating this.
• 1:55:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: We'll get these if thens can be,
• 1:55:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: more stronger ifthens.
• 1:55:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: We've got one final segment.
• 1:55:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you everybody for hanging out with us.
• 1:55:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for C.K.
• 1:56:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know my man's work all day been busy.
• 1:56:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Same for me.
• 1:56:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Same for all of y'all listening and as everybody's hectic and busy all day every day.
• 1:56:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so if you're listening, I'm thankful for your time and your energy and your attention.
• 1:56:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is valuable.
• 1:56:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: We got one final segment to hit them up with the longest run
• 1:56:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: On, the longest run in Panthers podcast, let's ice them full.
• 1:56:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's our homage to Steve Smith, let's tell him where we tell him to ice it up, tough ice it up, ice up, tough enough up to get it together.
• 1:56:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, next week on my, we might revisit the Steve Smith conversation.
• 1:56:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: We'll still be kind of in these dull drums.
• 1:56:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'll go back and watch it, I'd like to know, kind of we we're going to have weeks where we need to talk about history and and and similar to a degree.
• 1:57:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:57:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it is our homage to Steve Smith, who was icing up.
• 1:57:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: It sounds like everybody in his wake for a certain degree where we tell someone to ice up, tough enough to get it together.
• 1:57:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've gotten something short and sweet and easy tonight, C.K., I'm icing up.
• 1:57:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's not capitalism.
• 1:57:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: First of all, I love capitalism in this, but branding capitalism when it comes to nutritional packaging.
• 1:57:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: And really, I didn't buy anything.
• 1:57:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not like it worked.
• 1:57:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I was waiting, I had like five minutes.
• 1:57:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't hungry, I wasn't not hungry.
• 1:57:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I had my lunch box with me.
• 1:57:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: I had a pack of unopened David's sunflower seeds in there.
• 1:57:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, look, I'm not eating them for food like anything.
• 1:58:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Sustonants, like not even like a new, I mean, I had like four minutes.
• 1:58:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just was like, all right, well, I got nothing.
• 1:58:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm a little hungry.
• 1:58:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not hungry enough.
• 1:58:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not really that hungry.
• 1:58:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I was like, all right, I'll pop a handful of these seats.
• 1:58:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's a big bag.
• 1:58:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, not the biggest bag, but it is not one of their slender bags.
• 1:58:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's one of the square bags.
• 1:58:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, I was like, and I was just sitting there spitting these few seats two minutes of quiet by myself, probably the best part of my damn day.
• 1:58:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I was looking at the packaging and it was like 13 grams of protein.
• 1:58:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was like damn.
• 1:58:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, like, because they almost made it.
• 1:58:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I was like, I'll eat the, like, if it would have just been a candy bar, I wouldn't have eaten it because I wouldn't have wanted, wasn't hungry to do what shitty sustenance.
• 1:58:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, so I just flipped the package over, like I do a lot of times and just look at the nutritional facts.
• 1:59:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: There are 13 grams of protein.
• 1:59:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: in that bag of sunflower seeds.
• 1:59:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you eat every kernel in that entire bag, because usually I flip it over, I was actually just flipping and looking at the calories.
• 1:59:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was like, oh, because you know how they usually make it so they would they make a bunch of calorie, like a bunch of servings in the package.
• 1:59:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: They make the servings very small,
• 1:59:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: to then make the calorie content like they try to fool you with calorie content by making serving says like oh there's only a hundred ten calories in this pizza per serving and it's like a half a slice.
• 1:59:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: This was the opposite.
• 1:59:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was like they were not trying to hide the calorie content.
• 2:00:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: They were trying to inflate the protein content.
• 2:00:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I guess I could have.
• 2:00:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Imagine if you're just a consumer who is heard or trying to raise your mate decisions based on increased protein.
• 2:00:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: And you walk by this bag of sunflower seeds.
• 2:00:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: You see 13 grams of protein and you go, oh man, that must be a healthy or option.
• 2:00:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not unhealthy, but your mouth, you would have source.
• 2:00:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: But 13 grams of protein on that bag is misleading.
• 2:00:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Actually, it's not misleading.
• 2:00:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: They would say, not exactly says what how many grams of protein.
• 2:01:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I guess I've been so entrenched into thinking per serving in this.
• 2:01:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: My ice up goes to the way the industrial food complex.
• 2:01:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Navigates, negotiates, and extorts, and distorts, nutritional facts, and the serving to this, usually it's in the other way around where it's like, oh, this is only 80 calories.
• 2:01:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: But then you're like, oh, that's four goldfish.
• 2:01:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 2:01:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 2:01:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's, uh, yeah.
• 2:01:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, you're, uh, a, I
• 2:01:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, sitting down and looking at, you know, this, this, this, you know, what would I would call a document right, I don't know if you got a chance to watch the deposition of book Clinton.
• 2:01:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: But there was a moment when they were showing him pictures of himself in the Epstein files in the Hot Tubbs.
• 2:02:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Was that a swimming pool when they're showing it to him, dude?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Like he's in the Congress in that close door session.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And he's got the file in front of him.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And the dude is just creepily looking at these photos just with a grin on his face.
• 2:02:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like he has reminiscing the best moments of his life.
• 2:02:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then they try to take it away from me.
• 2:02:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, no, I'm not done looking at this.
• 2:02:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: He pulls it back.
• 2:02:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: I got old man just going back to his best days.
• 2:02:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: He is just staring at it.
• 2:02:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, he's just like.
• 2:02:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, just like just smiling as can be, it was hysterical and not, you know, to me, it was like, you know, somebody said that Bill Clinton is like, you know, don't give a, you know, moment of his life where he just says whatever he want, like he even came out and said, you know, which is wild for him to say this, but like he's like, yeah, Donald Trump never indicated to, you know, I have no indication that he's ever been involved in that stuff.
• 2:03:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he was like, he was, I had a conversation with him about this stuff and and none of us were, you know, indicating that we felt like the other was, you know, involved or anything along those lines.
• 2:03:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it was, you know, he's, he's in a moment in his life where I think he's like, he just doesn't care.
• 2:03:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: But he was, he was reliving every moment by what, looking at those, those pictures.
• 2:03:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's just like playing that movie in his head.
• 2:03:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: just by staring at that picture.
• 2:03:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not my son, I built Quentin just in that moment to be such a public, a public display of like pervenous.
• 2:03:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I said, well, I'm going to give Bill Clinton a shout out right now.
• 2:03:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: For teaching, inadvertently teaching me a lesson in life, and it, like, in retrospect, and that is when he got in the 1990s and it was
• 2:04:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh he had he imparted some real wisdom on people and that is if you're going to lie and you choose to lie.
• 2:04:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: The worst thing you can do is cave to early to a lie.
• 2:04:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: What Bill Clinton should have just done is said, hell, yeah, that's what I did.
• 2:04:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.
• 2:04:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: But instead, he tried to negotiate these words like crazy.
• 2:04:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: So what I would say is this is that if you do endeavor on the moral, prerogative, to lie, you got to stick with it until
• 2:04:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: you are at the executioner is there.
• 2:04:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: And don't get me to teach me that.
• 2:04:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: What's in there?
• 2:04:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, no, I don't even know what the word is means.
• 2:04:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like he was gaslighting the Congress and also was so stupid at that point.
• 2:04:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I sub to anything that comes back to all of this, oh my gosh.
• 2:05:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: The Epstein thing is just makes everybody cringe with power and PV and let's put together.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: You're listening to the C3 Panthers podcast.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: We're here every Tuesday night at 9 PM.
• 2:05:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for our time, our time, your time, your energy, your attentiveness.
• 2:05:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know the drill, smash up the thumbs button, do all the things.
• 2:05:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: We'll be back here, which you can do is this is just hang out with us, tell somebody about it.
• 2:05:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: And come back, come back, CK, we're out of here.
• 2:05:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's CK, I'm Tony.
• 2:05:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Cody Lack will be back in the future.
• 2:05:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it's good.
• 2:05:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: We don't know.
• 2:05:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: We don't know, but it will happen.
• 2:05:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's sitting there gaining strength.
• 2:05:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like he's, uh, he's getting, he's, he's saving up his energy for his ult.
• 2:05:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: But those are games where you understand.
• 2:05:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, so I shout out to everybody, um, love you Cody, love you C. K. Greg.
• 2:06:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Trying to get rid of a pig.
• 2:06:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: If anybody needs a seven year old giant, that pig is big as shit.
• 2:06:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I can't even even see his eyes, bro.
• 2:06:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's fucking huge.
• 2:06:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, what are you going to do?
• 2:06:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I would say this if I was Greg pick up only.
• 2:06:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're like a family market place.
• 2:06:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Pick up only.
• 2:06:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: No delivery.
• 2:06:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Lending large truck.
• 2:06:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Lending the pig.
• 2:06:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's the C3 Panthers five guests.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: We'll see you next week.