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Suzanne Morphew Hubby Charges Dismissed · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A beautiful young mom goes
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Speaker 1: missing on Mother's Day. Coincidentally, on Sunday that Mother's Day,
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Speaker 1: her husband Barry Morphey, claims he's got to be out
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Speaker 1: of town on a work trip, that nobody seemingly knew
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Speaker 1: about it at the time, and then wouldn't you know
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Speaker 1: that one day of all days that she goes by king,
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Speaker 1: she also goes missing. In the last hours, homicide charges
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Speaker 1: against her husband, Barry Morphew have been dropped. Repeat charges
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Speaker 1: against Susanne Morphew's husband, Barry Morphew have been dropped. I'm
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation and Serious x M
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Speaker 1: one eleven before I introduced to you an all star
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Speaker 1: panel to make sense of what we know. Right now,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our France at KUSA nine. The
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Speaker 1: charges against Barrymorephe were dismissed this morning without prejudice. That
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Speaker 1: means that new charges could be brought in the coming
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Speaker 1: future if new evidence is found. Now. Prosecutors revealed this
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Speaker 1: morning that they believe that they say they are close
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Speaker 1: to finding Susanne Morphew's missing body after two years of searching.
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Speaker 1: The district attorney on the case said that they believe
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Speaker 1: that her body is buried somewhere underneath five feet of
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Speaker 1: snow in the mountains above the Morphew home, though she
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Speaker 1: provided no evidence as to why that might be true. Now,
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Speaker 1: Barrymorephe walked out of court about an hour ago. The
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Speaker 1: GPS tracker is gone and he has his passport back.
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Speaker 1: He was surrounded by his two daughters, who have been
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Speaker 1: with him at every court date he's had. Did you
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Speaker 1: hear what they just said? Akusa? Before I get to
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Speaker 1: the whole panel, let me first go to Lauren Sharks
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Speaker 1: joining me, fuck twenty one news reporter on this case
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Speaker 1: from the beginning. Lauren, let me digress. You and I
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Speaker 1: were right there where prosecutors are now saying they think
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Speaker 1: they know where Susanne Morphew's body is hidden. We were
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Speaker 1: right there, and remember you and I we had this
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Speaker 1: eerie feeling because you showed me where the Morphew home was.
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Speaker 1: This a mansion is huge. We were looking down at
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Speaker 1: it and I said, now, wait, where is he living
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Speaker 1: right now? And he pointed right at the street and
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Speaker 1: he said, I think he's right there. It's right up
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Speaker 1: the street, if you can call it a street. It's
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Speaker 1: kind of like a dirt road. It's in the mountains
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Speaker 1: there and Salida and everything has gates. You can't get
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Speaker 1: into the home. And then you told me that he
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Speaker 1: you think we had been living in an airbnb belonging
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Speaker 1: to a friend of his, And I thought, that's really
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Speaker 1: odd that he wants to live at the see where
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Speaker 1: we think his wife was killed, because it's within sight
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Speaker 1: really where her bike was found down the ravine. And
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Speaker 1: this is the other thing, remember, Lauren Sharf, not one,
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Speaker 1: not two, but I think three separate women came up
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Speaker 1: and said they were out citizens searching for Suzanne's body,
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Speaker 1: and they were all run away by somebody on a
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Speaker 1: motorcycle or an ATV that had their face covered with
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Speaker 1: a helmet. Somebody is protecting that area. Why would Barry
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Speaker 1: Morphew move to that area and refuse to leave? I mean,
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Speaker 1: am I remembering it right, Lauren? Yeah? I mean even
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Speaker 1: Barry Morphew had told me the reason why they sold
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Speaker 1: the house, the Morphew House off of whom A Path
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Speaker 1: was because his daughters were scared to live there because
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Speaker 1: that was the last place that they um saw their
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Speaker 1: mother and she possibly could have been abducted around there,
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Speaker 1: and so that's why they sold the property. And then
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Speaker 1: for him to live nearby, and you know an airbnb
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Speaker 1: that's rented out by a friend is interesting. Um. And
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Speaker 1: then now you know, investigators believe that Suzanne's body is
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Speaker 1: located just very close by to where the Morpheus used
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Speaker 1: to live, you know, in a specific location in the mountains,
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Speaker 1: and they just need time because of the weather to
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Speaker 1: excavate that area. Because of snow packed area, they haven't
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Speaker 1: been able to do so, and they wanted to do
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Speaker 1: that prior to the trial, but because of the weather,
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Speaker 1: they say that the area has five feet of snow
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Speaker 1: that's covered it. I was in amating at lunchtime. I
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Speaker 1: ran straight out of the studio went in the meeting.
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Speaker 1: When I walked out of the meeting, I glanced down
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Speaker 1: at my phone, Lawrence Sharf, and I saw where Jackie
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Speaker 1: had texted me. Texted me charge us against Barry Morphew dropped. Well,
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Speaker 1: you know, I thought I was gonna have a heart attack,
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Speaker 1: almost in a backflip right there. Guys, Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our cut one fifty seven our friends at Fox
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Speaker 1: thirty one, moments after the judge dismissed the murder case
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Speaker 1: against Barry Morphew. He walked out of the courthouse, daughters
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Speaker 1: by his side. Ferry, is there anything you want to say,
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Speaker 1: his attorney, saying Morphew should have never been charged with
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Speaker 1: the murder of his wife, Susanne Morphew. Instead, what's her
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Speaker 1: a consist is dad. She could have left and or
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Speaker 1: she could have been abducted. Any evidence is way stronger
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Speaker 1: for both of those possibilities than anything. Far from mister
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Speaker 1: Morphew having the ability to murd his assistant's loving wife,
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Speaker 1: Miss Morphew disappeared on Mother's Day two years ago from
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Speaker 1: her home near Salida and Chaffey County. Her husband arrested
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Speaker 1: a year later. In the motion to dismiss the case
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Speaker 1: without prejudice, the district attorney rope the ongoing investigation into
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Speaker 1: the location of the body must be resolved. The public
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Speaker 1: seeks an indisputable answer to whether or not Miss Morphew
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Speaker 1: is dead. Let me insuce you our AUSTAR panel. First
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Speaker 1: of all, Matthew Mangino, lawyer, former elected District attorney in
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Speaker 1: Lawrence County, Parole Board member, author of the Executioner's Toll,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Jory Crass and psychologist, Faculty Saint Leo University, Research
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Speaker 1: consultant and author of Operation s S. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville
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Speaker 1: State University, author of Blood Beneath My Fate on Amazon
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Speaker 1: and Starva New Hit series on iHeart Body Bags with
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, and of course you Know with us
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Speaker 1: Ash reporter with Fox twenty one Laurence Sharff on this
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Speaker 1: from the very beginning, Matthew Mangino, does it never end
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Speaker 1: when a woman goes missing, leaving her children, which to
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Speaker 1: me would be the ultimate torture to be away from
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Speaker 1: my children. Someone actually fixes their mouth to say, there's
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Speaker 1: so much evidence she just left. Really, her ATM hasn't
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Speaker 1: been used, no credit card, she hasn't been cited, her
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Speaker 1: car has been found. All of her belongings they're there,
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Speaker 1: her jewelry is there. There's not one shred, not a
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Speaker 1: scintilla of evidence to suggest that Susanne Morphew went away
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Speaker 1: with another guy. Who where that is b s Why
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Speaker 1: do they always say that, Matthew, well, Nancy in this case,
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Speaker 1: it's actually the prostitution that's saying it in their motion.
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Speaker 1: We just heard it in the clip they're seeking indisputable
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Speaker 1: answer as to whether or not Miss Morphew is dead.
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Speaker 1: It's not what the defense said. The defense said, what
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Speaker 1: there the state's evidence is is that she could have left.
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Speaker 1: That's the defense lawyer, Matthew Mangino. That's not the prosecution.
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Speaker 1: The prosecution says, we want to find her body, and
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Speaker 1: we think we know where it is. They never said
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Speaker 1: she left, Matthy, I'm reading right from the motion. This
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Speaker 1: is the motion to dismiss without prejudice filed by the
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Speaker 1: district attorney. That's their motion, which is so surprising to me,
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Speaker 1: because you know, this is extraordinary. We're on the eve
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Speaker 1: of trial. The trialsmen moved to another county. You have
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Speaker 1: a thousand jurors waiting to be a part of this
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Speaker 1: jury pool, and the prosecution is withdrawing the charges. You know,
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Speaker 1: the kind to the prosecution taking their ball and going home.
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Speaker 1: The case is unraveling, and now you want to withdraw
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Speaker 1: the charges and say that you're looking for the body.
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Speaker 1: I mean, for two years they couldn't find the body.
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Speaker 1: To Laurens Sharf joining us with Fox twenty one, let
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Speaker 1: me clarify something and please Lauren, as you always do,
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Speaker 1: feel free to create me if I'm wrong. Isn't it
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Speaker 1: true that the state is stating in black and white
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Speaker 1: and in open court they believe they know where Susanne
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Speaker 1: Morphy's body is. Yeah. In the motion they said that
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Speaker 1: they were hopeful that they could get the search and
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Speaker 1: the discovery of Susanne's body before the trial was finished,
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Speaker 1: but because of whether it complicated their efforts, and so
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Speaker 1: that's why they want to put this case on pause
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Speaker 1: or a halt to get to hopefully find Susanne's body
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Speaker 1: and bring it back to her family at any time.
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Speaker 1: Lauren Sharf has the state said they believe Susanne Morphy
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Speaker 1: just left with another guy as a matter of fact.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it true the state says that finding her body
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Speaker 1: will disprove such a cockamamee theory. Isn't that what the
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Speaker 1: prosecution is saying now? The prosecution says that you know,
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Speaker 1: Susanne would have never left her daughters and would have
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Speaker 1: never just not told anyone where she was going or
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Speaker 1: if she had blest on her own, that's just not
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Speaker 1: in her character. I mean to you, Doctor Jorry Crows
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Speaker 1: and joining us a psychologist and faculty Saint Leo University
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Speaker 1: and author. I could go on, but instead of talking
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Speaker 1: about you, let's talk about Susanne Morphew, Doctor Jory. This
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Speaker 1: woman had devoted her life to her family, her children.
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Speaker 1: I think you would be through hell and high water
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Speaker 1: that she would have just left our children. And there
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Speaker 1: is not a shred of evidence to suggest such a thing.
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Speaker 1: The only one suggesting that is a defense. Yeah. You know,
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Speaker 1: to predict future behavior, you always have to look at
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Speaker 1: past behavior, and she's got a record of being a
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Speaker 1: devoted mother and wife. I mean there was that you know, affair,
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Speaker 1: But even with her behavior, if she were going to leave,
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Speaker 1: she would do it openly. She would go through the
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Speaker 1: court system, divorce her husband. I would even say her
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Speaker 1: getting a fair settlement worked out and everything. I don't
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Speaker 1: think she would just disappear. That is not advantageous to
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Speaker 1: her or anyone, except it does a matter of fact,
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Speaker 1: isn't isn't it? She Laurence Sharp she had told her
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Speaker 1: husband she wanted a divorce. Yeah, and a deleted text
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Speaker 1: message she said that she was done and that she
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Speaker 1: just wanted to do it civilly. There you go, Time
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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. It's a tough thing to try
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Speaker 1: a case without a body. But it's been done sense
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Speaker 1: of times. It's not the easiest thing in the world,
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Speaker 1: but it can be done. You don't give a killer
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Speaker 1: a gold star and a free pass just because he
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Speaker 1: managed to hide the body. Now, let me understand something.
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Speaker 1: Lauren sharfs joining me Fox twenty one and you can
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Speaker 1: find her at Lauren sharf dot com. That's sca r F. Lauren.
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Speaker 1: Cops are actually saying they believe they've located the spot
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Speaker 1: where Suzanne's body is, and it is in the mountains.
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Speaker 1: And I mean, I just hoped you goodbye there a
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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. There is still a lot of
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Speaker 1: snow on the ground. This is a very remote area.
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Speaker 1: When I was flying in, I looked down, I saw
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Speaker 1: nothing but mountains and treetops. There was no cell phone
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Speaker 1: connectivity where we were. It's very remote and the snow
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Speaker 1: banks are very deep. Yeah, I mean where the moreph
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Speaker 1: you live. They, I mean they live in the mountains.
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Speaker 1: They're surrounded by mountains, very tough terrain. You saw how
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Speaker 1: deep it is, and you know that area. Even though
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Speaker 1: we're you know, approaching May and the end of April,
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Speaker 1: it's still covered with snow up there. And people can
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Speaker 1: still go skiing and and and everything. Even though it
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Speaker 1: is getting in the higher temperatures of seventy degrees, there's
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Speaker 1: still snow up there. Yeah, that's the thing. That snow
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Speaker 1: is solid. That's like looking up at a glacier and
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Speaker 1: the middle of the summer. It's maybe warmer you are,
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Speaker 1: but it's going to take a long time for that
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Speaker 1: snow to melt there. They're gonna have to bring into you,
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Speaker 1: Jesseic Scott Morgan, professor forensic, some type of a specialty
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Speaker 1: crew to get through the snow. And I'm curious, how
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Speaker 1: do they know that's where her body is under all
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Speaker 1: that snow. I'm just very curious about it. Oh, Jessica,
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Speaker 1: let me tell you a weird fight that I learned
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Speaker 1: when I went out to Salida to see this scene.
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Speaker 1: You know, Joe Scott, I never tried a single case,
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Speaker 1: not one, not ever that I had not been to
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Speaker 1: the scene, and this reminded me why it's so different
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Speaker 1: than what you imagine it to be. For instance, where
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Speaker 1: her bite went down went down the ravine. You can
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Speaker 1: look off and see their home, but it's a long, winding,
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Speaker 1: gravel dirt road that goes all the way from the
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Speaker 1: house out. It's very hilly. You go down and whoop
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Speaker 1: and then boom, there it is. It's not that far
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Speaker 1: away where her bite was thrown down the ravine. But
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Speaker 1: I'm very curious and I want you to hear this,
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Speaker 1: and Lauren Sharf correct me if I'm wrong. But didn't
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Speaker 1: people say that One of the reasons they filled to
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Speaker 1: tro is because Barry Morphy kept coming back back to
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Speaker 1: his old house and digging up bones. He said he
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Speaker 1: was looking for some kind of animal skulls in the backyard.
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Speaker 1: I haven't heard that. Yeah, sorry, the family that he
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Speaker 1: would be digging for bones in the area after he moved.
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Speaker 1: I think that's very bizarre. J Scott, let me get
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Speaker 1: back to you about getting through that snow bay and
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Speaker 1: somehow finding her remains and what would her remains even
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Speaker 1: be now. Yeah, you know, I had a couple of
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Speaker 1: questions about this because I'm thinking they're talking about the snowpack.
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Speaker 1: You know, the fall in Colorado generally begins roughly the
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Speaker 1: first part of April, so you've already got some of
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Speaker 1: this melting that's taking place. What what kind of gigantic
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Speaker 1: piece of information suddenly appeared on the radar after two
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Speaker 1: years relative to her remains. That has them go into
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Speaker 1: a full stop. I mean they completely reverse engines here.
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Speaker 1: As Matt was talking about just a few moments ago.
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Speaker 1: You know, they're right on the threshold of going to trial,
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Speaker 1: and then suddenly they have this epithanal moment where they
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Speaker 1: say they think they know where her body is buried.
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Speaker 1: They said buried beneath snow. But I'm wondering if they
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Speaker 1: have further detail. Is it buried in the dirt underneath
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Speaker 1: the snow. And then you talk about these two desperate
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Speaker 1: areas where you have the bike that's down in the ravine,
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Speaker 1: and then as you mentioned, you've been there, they're saying,
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Speaker 1: up up, up is where the body is, so up
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Speaker 1: above this particular area. Who has access to this, who
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Speaker 1: had the opportunity, who had the means in order to
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Speaker 1: facilitate this? If it's so isolated, how would you get
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Speaker 1: the remains up there and then bury them? They're going
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Speaker 1: to have to go out there, I think obviously with
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Speaker 1: a team of searchers there will probably again involve cadaver dogs.
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Speaker 1: Remember they got a false a false hit at the
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Speaker 1: house where they thought that they came across the scent
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Speaker 1: of a body that turned out not to be reality.
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Speaker 1: But now they're going to have to go back into
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Speaker 1: this area after the snow has thawed. And again, this
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Speaker 1: for me is poses a huge problem from a forensic standpoint,
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Speaker 1: because I honestly, after two years, I don't know what
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Speaker 1: type of evidence they're going to be able to find
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Speaker 1: that's going to demonstrate a specific manner because of death bounce.
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Speaker 1: You gotta remember that there's also a lot of minds
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Speaker 1: in the area, So I'm curious as to you know,
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Speaker 1: maybe that's where they're looking or something like, Yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: Lauren Sharf jumping in from a fox twenty. Hey, cattle,
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Speaker 1: we're not having high tea at winsor Palace, Okay, so
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Speaker 1: jump in if you have a thought. So Lauren Sharff,
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Speaker 1: let me bounce off what Jesscott mortgage you said. Jesscott,
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Speaker 1: just stop everything could ever dogs can pick up a
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Speaker 1: scent of a dead body, even if it's underwater. This
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Speaker 1: is a lightning round. So you can just answer yes
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Speaker 1: or no. Isn't that true? Joe Scott, Yes, that is true?
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Speaker 1: Yes or no. You don't need to expound, Joe Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: isn't it true that could ever dogs can pick up
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Speaker 1: the scent of human remains under snow. Isn't that true? Yes,
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Speaker 1: it is true, Joe Scott. Isn't it true that could
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Speaker 1: ever dogs did hit in multiple places around the time
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Speaker 1: misusam Marphew's disappearance? Yes? And isn't it also true that
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Speaker 1: if they hit on human remain scent at the time
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Speaker 1: of her disappearance, it could also indicate her body had
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Speaker 1: been there and was moved, does it not? Yes, that
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Speaker 1: is true. So isn't it within the realm of possibility
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Speaker 1: that her body had been her dead body had been
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Speaker 1: at those okay where cadaver dogs hit and then was
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Speaker 1: moved to our more remote location. Isn't that possible? It's
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Speaker 1: within the realm of possibility, Laurence Sharp. That is a
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Speaker 1: theory on which I'm hanging my hat. I think that's
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Speaker 1: what happened. Her body was well. Even in the rest
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Speaker 1: after David, one of the investigators said that they saw
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Speaker 1: like a footprint on the Bobcat bucket, but they didn't
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Speaker 1: take a photograph or or a cast of the bucket,
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Speaker 1: but the investment they did note it in their rest
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Speaker 1: after David that there was a bare footprint like someone there,
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Speaker 1: you know, footprint in the bucket of the bobcat. I
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Speaker 1: think there was, Matthew Mangina jumping and go ahead, Matthew, Yes, so, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I guess my question is why, now, on the eve
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Speaker 1: of trial, is the body so important in this case?
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Speaker 1: Obviously the prosecution thought that they could prove guilt beyond
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Speaker 1: the reason used to be the district attorney, right, Matthew
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Speaker 1: means you, you know, the elected DA, and you of
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Speaker 1: all people, are asking why is it somebody important that
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Speaker 1: you have the dead body? Really, you would have thought
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Speaker 1: I would have thought before I filed the charges in
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Speaker 1: this case that the body was important. But if I
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Speaker 1: thought I thought the body was important, man Gino, but
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Speaker 1: they didn't know where it was. And now apparently they
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Speaker 1: think they've got an idea. Why should they go forward
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Speaker 1: the trial if they could have the body? But Nancy,
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Speaker 1: if I thought I could prove my case beyond a
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Speaker 1: reasonable doubt, and therefore I filed charges without a body,
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Speaker 1: so I would be confident to go forward without a
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Speaker 1: body in this case. To me, the body now seems
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Speaker 1: like a ruse because the case is falling apart that
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Speaker 1: they've been precluded from using witnesses because of uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: not complying with Brady rules. They have other issues in
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Speaker 1: this case that are making their case unravel. So now
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Speaker 1: they're looking for a reason to withdraw these charges because
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Speaker 1: they don't want to face a jury in a week
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Speaker 1: from now with the case that they have. And that's
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Speaker 1: that's problematic from the prosecutors standpoint. And to say, well, now,
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Speaker 1: to say, and you're pleading now, we think the public
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Speaker 1: wants to know if Susanne Morphew is dead, if there
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Speaker 1: is a body, I mean, that's that's crazy. But that's
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Speaker 1: where we are in this case. If they have an idea,
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Speaker 1: a good idea where the body is you, John right,
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Speaker 1: I would postpone the case. And I'm very curious as
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Speaker 1: to why they aren't simply postponing instead of dropping unless
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Speaker 1: the defense risk fused to postpone. To Lawrence Sharpe joining
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Speaker 1: us Fox twenty one, was the defense pushing the case forward? Now, yeah,
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Speaker 1: Iris Econ you know Barry Morphew's leave it attorney said
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Speaker 1: that they were prepared for trial and they wanted to
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Speaker 1: get more few acquitted. But previously they had filed for
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Speaker 1: motion to get the case dismissed. And you know what
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Speaker 1: one of your experts just said. You know, the court
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Speaker 1: had gotten twelve out of the fourteen of their of
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Speaker 1: the prosecutions, you know, expert witnesses to not be able
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Speaker 1: to testify as experts, and they that said that that
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Speaker 1: really hurt their evidence, their best evidence to move the
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Speaker 1: case forward as well. In the motion to dismiss go ahead,
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Speaker 1: Jes Scott. Yeah, I gotta tell you the prosecution has
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Speaker 1: really stuck their neck out here, I mean, big tim
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Speaker 1: and this is why from a forensic standpoint, what they
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Speaker 1: are saying in the affirmative is that they there's a
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Speaker 1: high likelihood that they know where her body is. This
23:01
Speaker 1: thing is going to really stink badly if they get
23:06
Speaker 1: up there. And if you don't. I if there's nobody
23:08
Speaker 1: watching this case prior to this, and we know that
23:11
Speaker 1: there has been tremendous national attention, I guarantee you all
23:15
Speaker 1: eyes are going to be on this now because they're
23:18
Speaker 1: going to be having their their feet held through the
23:20
Speaker 1: fire and people are gonna say, well, when are you
23:22
Speaker 1: going out there? When are you going out there? There's
23:24
Speaker 1: gonna be news trucks showing up everywhere. They're gonna follow
23:26
Speaker 1: these people everywhere, And what is going to happen when
23:30
Speaker 1: they show up and they go to this this area
23:32
Speaker 1: that they're talking about and they come back with a
23:35
Speaker 1: big fat goosec You know, they've really stuck their neck
23:38
Speaker 1: out here. And I think that it is curious that
23:41
Speaker 1: timing is very, very curious that they throw the brakes
23:43
Speaker 1: on here right at the last minute. They have already
23:46
Speaker 1: like shown their cards, I mean, the very more few,
23:50
Speaker 1: and its defensive seeing all the discovery, and now they
23:52
Speaker 1: file this motion with pretty much the location of where
23:57
Speaker 1: they think Suzanne is, but they're showing their cards. Let
24:00
Speaker 1: me add a psychological factor in here. What if Barry
24:05
Speaker 1: gets paranoid and now that he doesn't have any tracking
24:10
Speaker 1: to find the body, and yeah, he might decide to
24:12
Speaker 1: move the body if he thinks they know where it's
24:15
Speaker 1: at and it may not be at the where they think,
24:17
Speaker 1: but he knows where it is. If he does, you know,
24:21
Speaker 1: if he's involved in it, he knows where he goes
24:23
Speaker 1: to the body and if they track him. I mean,
24:26
Speaker 1: you know, I look at his past behavior. He's been
24:29
Speaker 1: very I guess indecisive and paranoid, and rightfully so. But
24:36
Speaker 1: now he doesn't have any tracking devices. If he doesn't
24:39
Speaker 1: take his cell phone or stuff like that, he's free
24:42
Speaker 1: to move about unless you know they track him somehow.
24:45
Speaker 1: Drones or survey would absolutely think that announcing that they
24:50
Speaker 1: constably they know where the body is would trigger the
24:53
Speaker 1: killer to go try to move the body. I would hope,
24:56
Speaker 1: against hope that Morphew is being watched or try right now,
25:01
Speaker 1: like I think also might just have surveillance video where
25:04
Speaker 1: they think the body is. That's a good idea because
25:08
Speaker 1: they can never get the picture of Scott Peterson returning
25:13
Speaker 1: over and over and over to gaze out at San
25:15
Speaker 1: Francisco Bay where he dumped his wife Lacy and their
25:18
Speaker 1: unborn child, Connor. It's almost instinctive to go back and
25:23
Speaker 1: back and back to the scene of a crime. Let
25:27
Speaker 1: me go back to you, Joe, Scott Morgan. I'm very
25:30
Speaker 1: curious about what you said because you're worried about the
25:37
Speaker 1: state quote sticking its neck out. I'm sorry. Did you
25:41
Speaker 1: get your law degree when I wasn't looking? Oh no, no,
25:45
Speaker 1: But I've seen I've seen. I've seen enough lawyers train
25:48
Speaker 1: wreck cases, and it's just a curious thing. Okay, because
25:52
Speaker 1: don't you agree that it's the state's duty to seek
25:56
Speaker 1: the truth above all else. If they think they know
26:00
Speaker 1: where the body is, isn't it their obligation, their duty
26:05
Speaker 1: to try to find the body? And if they're wrong,
26:08
Speaker 1: they're wrong. I don't know that I would call that
26:10
Speaker 1: a goose egg as you described it. I've thought a
26:13
Speaker 1: lot of things during trials and have been proven wrong
26:16
Speaker 1: by the evidence, thank goodness, before I gave my opening statement.
26:21
Speaker 1: But it's their duty to look where they believe her
26:25
Speaker 1: body is. And why in the world, counselor Joe Scott Morgan,
26:31
Speaker 1: would you go to trial without a body if you
26:34
Speaker 1: could get the body with the snow melts, But why
26:36
Speaker 1: in the world would you have this epithanal moment. I
26:39
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe it's a question and that it is
26:43
Speaker 1: not within your realm. You don't need to understand it,
26:46
Speaker 1: and I don't need to understand it. But unless the
26:50
Speaker 1: district attorney is lying through their teeth, then I believe them.
26:56
Speaker 1: I mean, do you have a reason to disbelieve the
26:58
Speaker 1: elected district attorney just got Do you know something we
27:01
Speaker 1: don't know? No? I don't, but I think that I
27:06
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to ask that question. I think any
27:08
Speaker 1: right person, thinking person would ask that question, why, at
27:12
Speaker 1: this last moment are you going to do this? Why?
27:15
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, let's go to the source. Laurence Sharf.
27:18
Speaker 1: What could possibly be the reason for them now stating
27:23
Speaker 1: they think they know where the body is unless they've
27:25
Speaker 1: gotten some types of evidence regarding that, we don't know
27:29
Speaker 1: when they got this evidence that to lead them to
27:32
Speaker 1: this specific location. And they could have gotten that after
27:37
Speaker 1: they had pressed the charges, after the preliminary hearing, which
27:40
Speaker 1: would have like led them during the winter time that
27:44
Speaker 1: they couldn't have searched, and they're just now waiting for
27:48
Speaker 1: the weather to get better for to excavate that area. Okay,
27:52
Speaker 1: Jesscott Morgan, let me entertain your theory. How about this
27:57
Speaker 1: about they got an idea before the body was but
28:02
Speaker 1: they thought they could excavate before trial. Now they see
28:07
Speaker 1: they can't, So they've got to lay all their cards
28:09
Speaker 1: on the table and say, hey, we think we know
28:11
Speaker 1: where the body is. Okay, you're just not happy with
28:14
Speaker 1: an innocent explanation. You want something more nefarious. No, no,
28:19
Speaker 1: you know, but we're talking about we're talking about snow
28:22
Speaker 1: melts and all these sorts of things. I'm not a
28:24
Speaker 1: weatherman either, just like I'm not. I'm sure that won't
28:27
Speaker 1: stop you from giving your Kenyon No, but it you know,
28:31
Speaker 1: I have to ask this question, Nancy, why why at
28:34
Speaker 1: this moment, Tom and I think that it's something that
28:36
Speaker 1: needs to be understood. And I gotta tell you. You know,
28:40
Speaker 1: back at you, you mentioned the term you throughout the
28:43
Speaker 1: term elected DA. Okay, well, their neck is on the
28:48
Speaker 1: line here, aren't they gonna look silly if this turns
28:51
Speaker 1: out its big who looks silly? If you can motivation?
28:58
Speaker 1: Oh you know what, you want there to be an
29:01
Speaker 1: affairious explanation for what they've done. I'm not buying into
29:05
Speaker 1: that time stories with Nancy Grace. For those that you
29:26
Speaker 1: just joining us, take a listen to our friends at
29:29
Speaker 1: Fox thirty one. The move to dismiss an extremely rare
29:33
Speaker 1: move by a DA, but may have been necessary. When
29:37
Speaker 1: you have the judge strike twelve of your expert witnesses
29:41
Speaker 1: on things that are critical of proving your case, you
29:44
Speaker 1: really don't have a reasonable likelihood of success a trial anymore.
29:47
Speaker 1: Some attorneys described the move as a do over due
29:50
Speaker 1: to lack of evidence and witnesses. As a defense, I'm
29:53
Speaker 1: very frustrated that this appears to be an effort by
29:57
Speaker 1: the district attorney to retool you start and get away
30:01
Speaker 1: from significant pre trial rules. A case full of twists
30:06
Speaker 1: and turns took another today that no one expected, and
30:11
Speaker 1: that twist and turn regarding the judge dropping the case
30:15
Speaker 1: against Barrymorephew, includes police claiming they believe they have located
30:21
Speaker 1: missing wife Susan Morphew's body. So, now, Joe Scott Morgan,
30:25
Speaker 1: I guess your conspiracy theory that there is a nefarious
30:29
Speaker 1: or evil, surreptitious, sneaky reason for dismissing the charges, I
30:35
Speaker 1: guess you'd have to accept that the cops are in
30:37
Speaker 1: on it too. Wow, maybe oj didn't do it. Maybe
30:40
Speaker 1: the cops did it. Were you one of those people,
30:43
Speaker 1: because it sounds like you may be. Is that man
30:46
Speaker 1: Gino jumping in go ahead? Yeah, this is this is
30:48
Speaker 1: Matt Gino. And I think that Joseph raise's a legitimate issue.
30:56
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know that he's saying that there's
30:58
Speaker 1: a nefarious reason for it, but we have to look
31:00
Speaker 1: at the track record of the prosecutor in this case.
31:03
Speaker 1: I mean, the court you know, dismissed twelve or fourteen
31:06
Speaker 1: expert witnesses and said that their behavior during this, you know,
31:13
Speaker 1: found a pattern of recklessness. You know what's interesting about
31:17
Speaker 1: you and Joe Scott. You know what's interesting about the
31:20
Speaker 1: two of you. Both of you seem to be focusing
31:23
Speaker 1: on a witch hunt of the prosecution. Both of you.
31:26
Speaker 1: All you can say is the prosecution did this wrong,
31:28
Speaker 1: the prosecution did that wrong? What the hell about the
31:32
Speaker 1: dead body? Can we focus on that for a minute.
31:36
Speaker 1: That's why I'm here. I'm here right now because I
31:40
Speaker 1: want justice for Susanne Morphy wherever that may lead me.
31:43
Speaker 1: Does it lead me to be more few? Maybe? Maybe not,
31:47
Speaker 1: But I can tell you this much, I'm more worried
31:49
Speaker 1: about her body being under six feet of snow right
31:52
Speaker 1: now than I am about you and Joe Scott Morgan
31:55
Speaker 1: doing the tango over what the prosecution may have done wrong?
32:00
Speaker 1: All right, So can't we focus on finding her body
32:02
Speaker 1: instead of you guys throwing stones at the prosecution If
32:06
Speaker 1: they've done something wrong, okay they did, I'm not here
32:09
Speaker 1: to exonerate them. I'm here to find justice for Susanne
32:14
Speaker 1: more for you. So, if anybody on this pamily it
32:16
Speaker 1: has anything to add about that feel free to jump
32:20
Speaker 1: in in the meantime, Nancy, Yes, okay. I spook with
32:25
Speaker 1: a couple members of Suzanne's family and they told me
32:28
Speaker 1: that they are hopeful that investigators will find Susanne Susanne's
32:33
Speaker 1: Susanne's remains and that they want to bring her back
32:36
Speaker 1: to Indianna and give her a paper burial next to
32:38
Speaker 1: her dad. Susanne's sister Melinda told me that she's trusting
32:43
Speaker 1: in God's perfect timing that all will be revealed. She says,
32:47
Speaker 1: for the past two years she hasn't been bitter or
32:50
Speaker 1: resentful because of God, and the family is putting their
32:54
Speaker 1: trust in the work, in the investigator's work to you know,
32:58
Speaker 1: find Susanne. And Melinda also said that she has compassion
33:03
Speaker 1: for the for the daughters of Susanne too. I want
33:07
Speaker 1: to go back to doctor Jerry Cross and joining us
33:10
Speaker 1: psychologists and faculty Saint Leo. Little lies bother me, especially
33:19
Speaker 1: when they are in conjunction or contemporaneous with a disappearance.
33:23
Speaker 1: And I believe murder of mom Susanne Moorephew. The fact
33:30
Speaker 1: that barrymore few of all days went away on Mother's
33:36
Speaker 1: Day when he knew his grown girls who were out
33:39
Speaker 1: on a camping trip, and then lied about what time
33:45
Speaker 1: he left the home, what time he last saw Susanne moorephew,
33:52
Speaker 1: claiming he had a work job, but then hastily trying
33:55
Speaker 1: to put together a work crew as he was driving
33:59
Speaker 1: going within a stone's throat that early early morning, around
34:04
Speaker 1: three or four o'clock in the morning to where Susanne
34:07
Speaker 1: Helmet was found out in a field. I mean, just
34:14
Speaker 1: the lies, they really stick in my craws. Lies by
34:19
Speaker 1: the husband contemporaneous with the wife's murdyr No, I reject
34:25
Speaker 1: that wasn't he actually seen on some video cameras visiting
34:29
Speaker 1: different dumpsters. Let's ask Lauren Sharp. Lauren helped me. Yeah,
34:34
Speaker 1: he said that true. What our friend Jerry Crossen just said. Yeah,
34:39
Speaker 1: the prosecution had surveillance video and you know, photos of
34:45
Speaker 1: him going to at least I think five different dumpsters
34:49
Speaker 1: when he was going to Broomfield or around the time
34:52
Speaker 1: he was in Broomfield on Mother's Day, you know, throwing
34:58
Speaker 1: away things that some one dumpster. I think they see
35:02
Speaker 1: him on surveillance video, like pushing the trash that he
35:05
Speaker 1: had put in, like all the way down past his
35:08
Speaker 1: elbows into the trash. How many dumpsters did he visit?
35:12
Speaker 1: Five at least that's what the record, And when were
35:17
Speaker 1: they done? Was the dumpster visit? When were the dumpster visits?
35:20
Speaker 1: As realized to the Times, Suzanne went missing Lawrence Shar
35:24
Speaker 1: the same day she went was reported missing. You know,
35:28
Speaker 1: if my husband God plays forbid ever guy's missing, I
35:34
Speaker 1: would do everything in my power to find him. Take
35:38
Speaker 1: a listen to our cut twenty Our friends at Fox
35:42
Speaker 1: twenty one curious they want to stay anonymous, but say
35:48
Speaker 1: they're worried Suzanne's husband, Barry is tampering with the investigation.
35:52
Speaker 1: This family member says Barry refused to polygraph tests and
35:56
Speaker 1: a critical analysis test. The family member also says data
36:00
Speaker 1: collected from Barry's truck doesn't match up with the information
36:03
Speaker 1: he gave investigators. As of Monday night, no clarification was
36:08
Speaker 1: offered on any of that information by the Chiefee County
36:11
Speaker 1: Sheriff's office. Let me understand, then, Laurence Sharf, when they
36:16
Speaker 1: say the navigation system on his car's GPS did not
36:22
Speaker 1: match up with his story, what exactly does that mean?
36:25
Speaker 1: Like his truck telematics, So you know, when you do things,
36:31
Speaker 1: you even if you like, break or open the door,
36:34
Speaker 1: close the door. There's data that's you know, reported and
36:40
Speaker 1: what that data so did not line up with what
36:43
Speaker 1: he had told investigators to me, that is damning. Also,
36:50
Speaker 1: we were speaking of this earlier. Take a listen to
36:52
Speaker 1: our cut thirty one on our friend Doctor Phils. We
36:58
Speaker 1: were forts that are enough to have searched all its
37:00
Speaker 1: in from Missouri and another set from New Mexico yesterday
37:04
Speaker 1: and we made a little discovery. The dogs hit in
37:08
Speaker 1: a particular area, which we turned over to the FBI.
37:11
Speaker 1: Now there's two areas of interest, and I've got a
37:14
Speaker 1: third one on the way tomorrow. So they actually hit
37:17
Speaker 1: on something. So tell me about these dogs. Two of
37:21
Speaker 1: them were small Australian shepherds. I believe they were black
37:24
Speaker 1: and white. And when they go in and they see
37:28
Speaker 1: something suspect or smell something suspect, they'll taste the grass
37:33
Speaker 1: and they'll circle the item many times and then they'll
37:36
Speaker 1: finally set down on it. And the German shepherds behave
37:40
Speaker 1: almost the same way, only they get extremely excited. Their
37:44
Speaker 1: faces will wrinkle up, their ears will come forward to
37:47
Speaker 1: catch sent. They'll also kind of scratch on the site.
37:51
Speaker 1: They'll dig I hate to ask this, but are these
37:55
Speaker 1: sent and hunting dogs? Are these cadaver dogs? What type
37:58
Speaker 1: of training to these dogs have? A couldaver? I believe
38:02
Speaker 1: a dog of a barrymore few any day of the week.
38:05
Speaker 1: But that's not all. Take a listen to our cut
38:07
Speaker 1: thirty seven. Our friend doctor Phil the EEDI information would
38:11
Speaker 1: instructed in the lineup. So he said he's all or
38:14
Speaker 1: if five am, and he did not. And how do
38:17
Speaker 1: you know that testimony from an employee that he was
38:20
Speaker 1: rambling down the road texting people at four in the morning,
38:22
Speaker 1: trying to get them together to Broomfield and so can
38:26
Speaker 1: be at home at five and talking to somebody on
38:29
Speaker 1: the road at four, right, That is so that the
38:33
Speaker 1: timeline doesn't add up at all, not at all. You've
38:36
Speaker 1: got two nieces, Mallory who's now twenty two and Macy
38:40
Speaker 1: who's sixteen. Would she go off writing by herself or
38:43
Speaker 1: would she be in contact with them? Would she go
38:46
Speaker 1: off the radar for seven days and have no social
38:52
Speaker 1: media presence, no presence electronically for that period of time
38:56
Speaker 1: with her daughters now? Absolutely not? And more from Suzanne
39:01
Speaker 1: morpheused own blood brother Andy Mormon on KTVR tv R
39:07
Speaker 1: cut forty two. I think she was abducted Saturday, not Sunday.
39:11
Speaker 1: I don't think she ever got on her bicycle. If
39:13
Speaker 1: you want the truth of the matter, I expect that
39:17
Speaker 1: she was killed and hidden somewhere in the mountains. And
39:23
Speaker 1: her husband's not involved in this search. Have you talked
39:26
Speaker 1: to him? What's the relationship there? I have not talked
39:29
Speaker 1: to him. He was invited into the search by Profiling
39:32
Speaker 1: Evil and he did not respond. We ran into him
39:36
Speaker 1: yesterday and he was out hanging trail cams with a
39:39
Speaker 1: shotgun on his shoulder and just kind of told us,
39:42
Speaker 1: you know, hey, you're about to step on private property.
39:46
Speaker 1: So we turned around and went back. We did uncover
39:50
Speaker 1: some things on that mountaintop close to the home yesterday
39:53
Speaker 1: that are being processed by CBI and the Sheriff's department,
39:58
Speaker 1: and we hope to find more today. Do you think
40:00
Speaker 1: anyone would want to hurt Suzanne? No, I really don't.
40:05
Speaker 1: I'm afraid this is domestic abuse. To be honest with you,
40:09
Speaker 1: the road to the truth is very rarely easy. We wait,
40:17
Speaker 1: it's just as sun falls. Nancy Grace Crumb story signing
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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend