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Rob Campbell: Former Health New Zealand Chair on new health infrastructure plan · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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  Speaker 1: So we've got a long term plan for building more
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  Speaker 1: hospital beds, twenty billion dollars worth of upgrades over an
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  Speaker 1: unspecified period of time and no funding confirmed yet. But
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  Speaker 1: there's a plane at least. Then there's the issue of
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  Speaker 1: who's going to work in them. The minister and senior
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  Speaker 1: doctors still fighting. Here's Samin Brown.
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  Speaker 2: You can't complain about waiting lists whilst you're going to
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  Speaker 2: make waiting lists longer. At the same time, these are
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  Speaker 2: some of the most well paid public servants and what
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  Speaker 2: they should be doing is going back to the negotiating table.
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  Speaker 1: And here is a doctor from northvid on urn zed
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  Speaker 1: last night.
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  Speaker 3: He's attacking medical specialists as highly paid public servants. I
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  Speaker 3: had an unsuccessful resuscitation on a trauma patient last night.
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  Speaker 3: You know what has he done in the past twenty
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  Speaker 3: four hours?
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  Speaker 1: Rob Campbell form its yeer health endzed with us. Hey, Rob,
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  Speaker 1: good morning, Yeah, good thank you. Two quick things on
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  Speaker 1: the strikes before we get to the hospital beds. You've
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  Speaker 1: been privy to these before. How do they end this quickly?
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  Speaker 4: Well, if you've got one that is completely intransigent and
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  Speaker 4: holds a lot of power to say no, and you've
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  Speaker 4: got others who are trying to look after a profession.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's pretty inevitable. Really, there has to be
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  Speaker 4: a compromise here. I think there hopefully will be. But
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  Speaker 4: these doctors don't work walkout unstruct very easily, so you
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  Speaker 4: have to take it much more seriously than the minister
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  Speaker 4: seems to me to be thin. Of course, these are
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  Speaker 4: relatively high public, highly paid public servants. Wouldn't you expect
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  Speaker 4: our salaried medicals, businesst to be that?
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you would. Actually, the Minister says there are
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  Speaker 1: more of them now than when National took office, more
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  Speaker 1: senior doctors and a lower tune. So how do I like?
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  Speaker 1: These two things don't make sense. You've got the minister
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  Speaker 1: saying there's more of you, but then you've got the
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  Speaker 1: doctors saying it's worse.
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  Speaker 4: What gives Well, I'd be inclined to believe the doctors myself.
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  Speaker 4: I mean the question of churn as a statistical measure.
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  Speaker 4: He's only been in power for a relatively short period
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  Speaker 4: of time. I would think that whatever Gisha lying on
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  Speaker 4: is pretty meaningless.
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  Speaker 1: Frankly, now, the build, the twenty billion dollars and the
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  Speaker 1: pipeline of work sound good.
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  Speaker 4: Well, there's no news in it. I mean, it seems
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  Speaker 4: to me that Simeon's a bit like Captain Cook on
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  Speaker 4: his own little voyage of discovery, announcing he's discovered things
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  Speaker 4: that everyone else who lived in all along. And that's
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  Speaker 4: exactly what's happened here. There's no new news in this.
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  Speaker 4: That list has been known for a very long time.
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  Speaker 4: The issue is that successive governments haven't done much about it.
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  Speaker 4: So what we have there's a list, there's no times
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  Speaker 4: on it, there's no proper costing on it, there's no
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  Speaker 4: evidence of why certain things have been prioritized. Are there others?
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  Speaker 4: So yes, it's a list, It's a piece of paper.
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  Speaker 4: Health Health New Zealand and the Ministry of Health have
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  Speaker 4: been good at producing lists of paper over the years.
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  Speaker 4: What they're not quite so good at is producing outcomes.
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  Speaker 4: And there's just no example of it as far as
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  Speaker 4: I can see.
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  Speaker 1: Are we yeah at fair point because as you say,
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  Speaker 1: there's no specified period, there's no funding confirmed, but they
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  Speaker 1: are going to go to the private sected get some money.
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  Speaker 1: Will that speed things up?
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  Speaker 4: Well? It may or may not. I mean, if you
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  Speaker 4: take a guarantee return to the private sector, no doubt
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  Speaker 4: The private sector will pop up for it. But the
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  Speaker 4: issue is designing, prioritizing, and managing these processes. There's always
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  Speaker 4: money for these things from the private sector. If you
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  Speaker 4: pay them enough, you know that they will pop up.
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  Speaker 4: Are they the right things to do? Is it the
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  Speaker 4: most efficient way? Isn't They've got no idea, they're just
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  Speaker 4: kissing it.
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  Speaker 1: But Rob, isn't it better that we had something pop
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  Speaker 1: up rather than nothing?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, we looked. There's no question we need hospital builds.
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  Speaker 4: There is at least twenty billion dollars worth of work
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  Speaker 4: that needs to be done, and getting on with it
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  Speaker 4: is really their priority and everyone I think in the
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  Speaker 4: sector will be fully supportive of that. And indeed, the
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  Speaker 4: under the right basis, it's inevitable there will be private
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  Speaker 4: involvement in that. After all, there there's no one in
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  Speaker 4: the state sector who's available to build these things, so
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  Speaker 4: of course the private sector will be involved. There's no
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  Speaker 4: point in making sort of new virtues out of things
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  Speaker 4: that are just necessities. But yes, get on and do it,
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  Speaker 4: as what I would.
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  Speaker 1: Say here, Rob, Good to have you on the program.
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  Speaker 1: As always. Rob Campbell former share at health end.
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