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JFK ASSASSINATION - Ep. 299 - Meet The Jacobs · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  je Joe and you week and here we go. What's up everybody? First
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  off, apologies to everyone. Rob's an idiot. I had technical difficulties.
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  I left my phone across town and had to go back and get it.
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  But here we are half an hour late, but better late than never.
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  And uh so, my apologies to all of you in the chat trying to
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  watch live. We are here, we are queer, we are three strong.
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  Tonight this is episode number two hundred and ninety nine, Meet to Jacobs
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  with our special guest, my friend and yours, mister Carmine Savastano. How
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  you doing, buddy, I'm doing good. Good evening, gentlemen. Good
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  to be here. Yes, it's always a pleasure to have Carmine on.
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  And his link is in the is in the description below for all things Carmine.
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  That's TPAC dot com tp A a k dot com and you can find
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  his blog there. He does amazing research and he's here tonight to talk about
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  uh a little piece he did on Meet the Jacobs, which we're gonna get
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  into tonight, along with a week later almost here, we're gonna we're gonna
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  dive back into this Trump attempted assassination attempt and get some insight from the mind
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  of Carmine. So stay tuned for that. But we are going to be
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  talking about Meet the Jacobs first. Joe, how are you doing, my
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  friend? I am doing well. Hello Rob, Hello, Carmine, Nice
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  Henley? Nice? What nice Henley? Don Henley, And uh, yeah,
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  we're gonna get into some cool stuff tonight. I had something really cool
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  to say and you completely distracted. Sorry, but Henley distracted me. I
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  mean, damn yes, Oh this is gonna say so I we had obviously
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  last week, it is on record we teased that Carmine who was going to
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  be on this week. Carmine is a political assassination research sale and uh,
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  this was not planned and it's very fitting. But we're going to get into
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  a lot of what's going on in the Trump assassination story after we we do
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  some JFK stuff and uh, we didn't plan this, but the matrix and
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  the simulation works in a weird way, ladies, And thank you, thank
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  you everyone for joining us. And I'll stop yapping, like yeah, where's
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  that sound bite? As most of you know, have been following along for
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  a while. You know, we we did a lot of work into James
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  Herbert Martin many months back, which kind of LEDs us down this path of
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  looking at Marina post assassination and what she was doing, where she was going,
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  who she was with all the time, and there was lots of people
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  vying for her attention and her drawers, among other things. But tonight we're
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  gonna start off looking at someone named was it John and Catherine? Yeah?
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  John and Jacobs? Yeah, John and Catherine Jacobs her original who were they
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  Carmine So John Ketzy Jacobs was in the military and he served after Pearl Harbor.
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  He was eventually, i believe during the nineteen fifties, transferred into the
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  United States Information Agency, which was an arm of an arm of the intelligence
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  community that did opinion research and more gather intelligence gathering and processing. You know,
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  it's not the These weren't the James Bond spies. These weren't the people
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  conducting clandestine activities. These were people in offices who were doing an analysis.
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  Was this an agency, like a formal real agency. Yeah, at the
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  United States Information Agency was created I believe during the nineteen the nineteen fifties and
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  he gained work there, later meeting his wife. His wife was actually Bulgarian
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  and her original name was Katia, and she came from a communist black country
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  at the time and married him and they moved over, changed her name to
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  Catherine, and they basically settled into you know, the Washington, DC area,
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  and you know, made a good life for themselves, had some children
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  and with the average America, you know, the run of the mill,
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  nice, uh, middle class, upper class American family. And I had
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  never heard of them until an American or he was an American. Okay,
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  Okay, I had never heard of them. Neither have I either. Going
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  through the like I told you, slowly but surely. It was funny maybe
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  ten years ago now I see people would ask me, how far are you
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  into the documents? Well now I'm hundreds of thousands of files? Slowly true.
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  How do you eat a whale one piece of the time? Yeah,
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  Because you know, when we looked into this thing, Carlmine, you know,
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  we were we were really looking at at what she was doing and who
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  she was with. And James Martin and I don't even think we came across
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  this. It was buried. Yeah, it was buried in and the us
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  i A is so innocuous. Not many people even know the United States Information
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  Agency existed, so it is you know, it would have just been missed
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  or would have been going. It would have been you know, people are
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  going to look for c i A, for FBI, for Secret Service,
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  most of this these you know, other other secondary agencies that really never gained
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  much renown. People don't know to look for. I didn't know look for
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  until I looked into the background. I found out more about them. And
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  anyway, so I got into a document where I found out that Catherine,
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  shortly after the assassination of President Kennedy, invited, according to the warrant Commission,
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  invited Marina Oswald to dinner, and that you know, there were other
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  people that did that, as you know, you know the Martins, declined
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  Ford, Yeah, the Ford there there there are multiple people, and I'm
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  sure there are others that you know, we don't know about. Our warrant
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  publicized where she got a free meal and the gift, and you know they
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  expressed how bad they fell for and you know things. Yeah, she did
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  her, she did, she did, she did her grieving widow tour.
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  And when you know. So I looked at that and I was like,
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  well, that's strange. Why would an intelligence information US intelligence information agency be
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  inviting Marina Oswald to come to dinner with them? I'm like that that.
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  You know, it reminded me of the context you talked about with the Martins,
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  the Fords. It reminded me of uh, you know, the Sylvia
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  Hyde Hoki who is pumping Ruth paying for information her sister while Marina lived with
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  them. It reminded me of Priscilla Johnson who moved in with her later to
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  write a book and try to retell the story in a more commissioned friendly way.
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  So all these people seem to be and they're either intelligence connected directly or
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  there via the press intelligence connected, or one step away, right yeah,
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  in the case of Pain or some of the other people. Yeah, So
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  well, you know, and just with Martin, you know that that was
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  allowed, that the Secret Service failed so utterly and allowed him to capitalize on
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  the situation. You know, It's just there were a lot of people who
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  want, you know, some for money, like Martin, but these people
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  didn't have a financial interest. They would have an intelligence interest because he worked
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  for an intelligence agency and then I found out that he actually went to his
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  bosses and briefed them before the meeting occurred, so lots of Yeah, he
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  went and briefed his bosses in the office of Security at the USIA to get
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  the okay, so they knew this isn't just some offhanded invitation. He got
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  security clearance to have the widow there, and I'm sure to try to get
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  information out of her. I mean, that is his job. Well,
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  it's interesting too, you know, if if like what we were looking into
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  the Martins is, if they were working for the CIA, which I think
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  we did a good job of laying it out, it's pretty there's you know,
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  a ninety nine percent chance that they were. Well, we proved the
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  wife, we've proved Wanda was based on the documents. Well, and if
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  one of them is, then both of them effectively are right because the other
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  is serving as cover or is serving together information for the other. Like Sylvia
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  Hyde Hoki. Yeah, you know, you can't say that her husband was
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  just some guy if she's working for the CIA. It's just interesting to me
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  that, you know, if you have the CIA, you know, basically
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  babysitting her immediately after the assassination that you have other intelligence agencies trying to do
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  the same thing, you would think that either they would know, or they
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  would be told to back off, or you know something. But yeah,
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  this is this is interesting, so something. Of course. I was just
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  gonna say. You know, we've talked a lot on the show about inter
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  agency conflict and when you think about the Jacobs's reach out to Marina, right,
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  Uh, there could have been a few hands that were extended to Marina
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  and maybe if all of them or most of them were intelligence related, I'm
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  going with all So no matter who she choosed, right, because I didn't
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  all paths lead back to the government, right, Yeah, she didn't trust
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  she didn't trust the FBI, so she didn't she didn't want them around at
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  all. Well, based on Hoover's feelings about communists and Peo communist countries,
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  she had a reason not to watch. I think she had a better opinion
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  of the Secret Service, but I don't think I don't think they wanted anything
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  to do with her, ye you know, well at that point, yeah,
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  yeah, Rob, I mean they they The Secret Service had a couple
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  hour taped interview for the Documents with Marina at the Six Flags Motel obviously James
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  Hargaran was the manager. This was we didn't want to long term babysit her
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  for months. Well, who wants to I mean sorry to sound callous,
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  but who wants to take a bullet for the assassin's wife? Right? I
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  mean that's effectively the assignment you're you know, that is perhaps one of the
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  worst assignment Jago. Well, not just the protector like that, but to
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  get out of her what she knows, because at this point in the in
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  the investigation, you know, you got to think that she may be an
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  accomplice. I mean she is his wife, yeah, or knew something or
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  did she really know something that she's not saying that maybe you know, you
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  get her all liquored up, what that could be one of the you know,
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  his lips. Yeah, well maybe that maybe might have been the intent
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  of some of the attempts, right, trying to get the information out of
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  her and especially Rob after the Walker letter was found. And I don't want
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  to get into whether I think uh Lee wrote that, but the after the
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  Walker letter was found, the FBI interviews ramped up hugely. I believe that
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  was December second. I could be wrong. I'm doing off a memory but
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  it's very fascinating and who I just want to add. I don't want to
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  divert from the main topic, but on my website, I have a search
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  feature you can just type in Walker letter. I actually found years ago a
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  second Walker letter that the Commission ignored, that was sent after Oswald was in
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  custody. So not to say that that proves anything, but it shows you
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  that Walker had other people threatening him still, and it could have been that
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  person that sent the original note rather than Oswald, but there was at least
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  someone while Oswald was in custody threatening Walker's life, and it can't be Oswald,
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  right, So I mean, and we were discussing earlier just the there's
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  an alignment occurring right now. And I don't want to jump ahead to trump
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  about but if you look when a major historical event happens, which is what
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  occurred last Saturday, sir, and by the next day, things have just
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  shot into a thousand directions, new myths, new conspiracies, new facts,
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  new misinformation just swirling about. You know, people trying to capitalize financially off
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  of it, people trying to capitalize politically off of it. And it's kind
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  of like the Joseph Miltier situation when he said they were they would pick up
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  someone to throw off the public back then, Right these days, it's let's
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  throw out a million different things on social media and have it pretty much impossible
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  for the public to figure out. I think it's similar. Yeah, yeah,
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  and it's it's unfortunately bad actors on a lot of sides, you know,
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  political bad actors, just people in the public who enjoy misinforming people who
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  I mean, no matter how you feel about him, I'm sorry to say,
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  but Alex Jones was a misinformation agent ultimately, Lee, if you look
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  at the entire body of everything you put out there, he didn't really add
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  to what we know about the facts. Hey, if you throw a thousand
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  darts into darboard, some of them were gonna hit. Yeah, and you
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  can be right about a couple of things and still be wrong about most things
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  exactly. And he's and not just to say just him, there's you know,
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  unfortunately, I wouldn say Rachel Maddow is too far off if you've tuned
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  into her show recently talking about the Lord of the Rings of the far right.
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  Yeah, so so you know, I mean, that's unfortunately the climate
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  we're In, and I think that at you know, I'll get into that
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  lit anyway. The Jacob Yeah. So, so essentially the most important thing,
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  in my opinion about the Jacobs is the Commission reported that Katy has sent
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  her the invite to dinner, which she attended with Martin interestingly, and and
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  I, uh, we talked a little bit earlier about that, and I
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  agree with Joe that, And I think GRAB agrees that Martin was likely there
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  to protect his investment. Yeah, he didn't go on goose. Yeah,
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  he did not want her making friends with people and possible other arrangements because this
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  was, if we can put it, this is the night that they slept
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  together for the first time, if I'm correct, Is that right? Did
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  this happen February seventh? Let me see, it would be within I'm not
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  sure if that's the exact night, but it would be within a day or
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  two. I remember. I remember that because that's my birthday. Oh and
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  so you know that that fact stuck with me because I know that, Yeah,
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  February. It was February nineteen sixty, February sixth, the day before
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  well it bled over into the seventh. Oh there you got good night,
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  true. Well, I guess. Yeah, so today either going out on
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  them and getting her all liquored up and getting back to the hotel, it
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  would have been the seventh you know what I'm saying. Oh, yeah,
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  one, Well, it doesn't make much different twenty four hours, within twenty
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  four hours. Yeah, And of course you have the Marina statements that say
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  she was taking a nap and she woke up and John Martin Thorne had placed
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  a back and bottle on the glass next to her bedside table at the hotel
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  and start taking pictures and she woke up drank up sweetie. That's in the
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  documents. So you really, it's it's fascinating to figure out what they were
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  trying to do. I know what they were trying to do. Well,
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  you know what they did. But oh if only that movie existed somewhere,
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  Joe, no photos and movies. I mean, that's that's classic blackmail material.
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  And it's also an intelligence Uh exactly, it's that that's that's an intelligence
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  trick of the trade. Yeah. Yeah, that's why they call the leverage
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  up. People think Epstein. If she for some reason didn't go along with
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  us with what she needed to say at the warrant commission that could have been
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  used to discredit her. Right, Oh, she was drunk when it actually
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  would have mattered. Now, it might actually get her a claim, but
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  then yeah, it would have destroyed her her republic reputation. So we agree
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  that. So James Sherber Martin or let me back up. Marina responded to
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  right, and and I think it's important to note that she was from the
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  Russian block at the time. So, and I think that's another that is
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  another you know, I'm from where I'm from a Russian block country, you
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  lived in the Soviet Union. It's just another way to garner her attention,
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  exactly. I couldn't agree more. And you know, I don't think they
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  knew at that point when she sent that letter to Marina that Marina would have
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  moved in with James Martin. But obviously she had a lot of friends in
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  the white Russian community in Dallas Morales the forwards exactly like you had mentioned earlier.
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  So she felt very similar are safe there, And I don't think she
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  would have felt safe bringing her kids to d C at that point. But
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  why would I mean James Martin, She would have replied at his house in
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  December, right, She would have sent the mail out at the house,
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  and you would think as her kind of unofficial babysitter. James, James and
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  Wanda, they would have known about this, And yeah, I think it
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  was protecting his investment or a possible backup plan. It's fascinating to consider it.
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  And it can also be what you suggested earlier, that this could have
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  been interdepartmental rivalry. Maybe they were competing to control her, because I mean,
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  it's funny that people think that the government is some sort of universally cooperative
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  group. It's not. Every department has its own desires, Every department has
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  its own budget to look after, every department has its own interest to look
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  after. And no one wants to see power anywhere, just for instance.
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  And this goes way back, but during the forties and the fifties it took
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  nearly forever to create the CIA, but it had to go from OSS to
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  this, to this Special Services Unit to the Central Intelligence Group too. Finally,
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  Yeah, and it was just arguments. It was you know, I've
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  read some of the accounts of the Joint chiefs arguing with the various CIA directors,
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  arguing with the various Department of State leaders arguing with the areas other governmental
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  entities, so they all wanted control of her at this point. At this
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  point, she is a historical figure, because that does point Carmin. So
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  you have this, you have the CIA, you have whatever the hell this
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  thing was called again, the United States Informations Agency, you had the the
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  d i A, you had the NSA, and god knows how many other
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  intelligence apparatus, whether officially governmental or not, you know, trying to reach
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  out or protect their interests per se. So what exactly was the offer from
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  the Jacobs so to Marina. Yeah, like I was saying, the biggest
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  point and the thing that made me write the article was the Commission published that
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  she was invited to dinner and that was the end of it. Now,
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  whether it was the true information was deprived from the Commission, which is a
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  possibility, or that the Commission didn't like the implications of what the full offer
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  entailed, that's another possibility. But the Jacobs Catherine didn't just invited dinner.
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  She invited Marina to move in, and that would have been a direct challenge
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  to Martin and to all the other groups that might have been trying to monitor
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  her. Or it could have just been another attempt, you know, another
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  way to secure her, to put her in a place where she could be
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  observed by an actual agent who lived there aside from Wanda. Yeah, another
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  agent. Yeah. And did they have You said they had children too as
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  well? Correct, Yeah, yeah, they had three kids. And how
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  old would their kids have been at this time? They were younger? I
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  don't, Eddie, I don't have their exact age, but I believe around
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  ten unless so they were younger kids, like I said, kind of like
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  the Martins, you know, Yeah, they were. They're all run of
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  the mill, you know, suburban families, it seems, or at least
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  they wanted to appear. Yeah, and they all wanted her to move in,
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  which to me, just it blows my mind that it happened once,
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  but then it happened multiple times with multiple families and multiple intelligence groups shows us
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  that this is not just a random occurrence. It could be that the surveillance
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  operation that had been launched against THEE Harvey Oswald did not end when he died
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  because they thought there might be more to it and they needed information from her.
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  So it was just transferred to Marina, right, just re you know,
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  reassess the information, move the if Oswald had been in contact with any
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  intelligence agencies, this is a possibility. And maybe Marina knew it that,
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  you know, to make sure that she didn't let that cat out of it
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  a bag. You know. Yeah, there's a number of possibilities, but
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  certainly it's not a coincidence. And how many people have to surround someone from
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  intelligence groups until you have an intelligence in that where you're trying to do something,
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  whether it's gathered intelligence, motivate them to do certain things, keep them
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  in line. Very very interesting. I love the Kennedy assassination. I mean
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  there's always something you new that you can learn, and a new rabbit hole
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  had jumped down. Well, and imagine now, I mean we're sixty years
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  out. Think of all the releases and all the evidence and all the information.
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  There isn't a piece And you know me, I scoured hard. There
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  isn't a piece of primary evidence yet released by officials. We don't have a
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  police report. We don't have They are keeping this because they understand this is
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  JFK. But he lived. Essentially, Donald Trump lived. But the circumstances
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  are almost exactly the security I will go into it, the security failures.
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  The shooter is in my opinion, totally different. This guy. Actually,
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  well, I'll get into it, but I do you want to say anything
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  more about the Jacobs or you want to move on to Yeah, I think
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  we covered him pretty good. We can get into I just want to stay
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  around. That must have ended, Carmien. That must have been a hella
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  awkward dinner. If you think Marina James Martin, maybe a couple of the
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  Jesus. It's hanging under the table on her legs, squeezing and yeah,
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  after they just had sex. Maybe he's you know, James or Martin was
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  was really into Marina for sure, based on based on a good good Joey.
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  Yeah, she said I came over a document where she was dreaming of
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  him. I think she told Catherine fort that. So he must have done
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  a good job at the Willard. But uh, it's just fascinating to think,
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  like like Thomas Kruk, So I think I thought it was a great
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  article. I didn't know about the Jacobses either. It's it's just fascinating to
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  think of the elements. Yeah, and I think it is. It is
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  the interagency rivalry each some agencies would put their people out try to get it
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  and Rob and I argued a long time off the record here between I'm trying
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  to figure out who James Herbert Barton was working for, and we still don't
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  know. We have a really good idea based on his wife and the document
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  be found, but it's it's not conclusive, and and we argued it back
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  and forth very objectively, and this information, uh makes us gives an extra
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  added aspect to it. So I thought it was a great article and definitely,
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  if you haven't ready yet, check that out people in the audience.
• 28:15
  So all right, so let's get into a little bit about Donald Trump.
• 28:21
  Now. Apparently, when when Trump was president and it came time for him
• 28:26
  to be in charge of you know, the JFK ACT releases, and I
• 28:33
  don't know the exact quote, maybe one of y'all do, but there was
• 28:37
  a reason that he said he could not or he did not okay the release
• 28:42
  of the rest of the files, basically that he saw them and and basically
• 28:48
  said that the general public is not ready for this kind of truth yet,
• 28:52
  or something along those lines. I belief he told Andrew Neapolitano that judge,
• 29:03
  he said, if you saw what I saw in the JFK files, you
• 29:07
  wouldn't release them either type of thing, right, And the assumption is Pompeo
• 29:12
  was obviously a former CIA director h helped convince Trump not to release them,
• 29:19
  is what I understand, is it? But I'm sorry to pull you also,
• 29:22
  Oh no, no, no, So it's it's it's interesting, you
• 29:26
  know that if that's a true statement by Trump and I don't see him,
• 29:32
  you know, besing about something like that, then hopefully if he becomes president
• 29:40
  again, he'll release everything, which will be that'd be nice, nice to
• 29:48
  finally fulfill the requirements from twenty years ago. Yeah, or somebody just shove
• 29:53
  the paper in front of Joe and say, here signed this, dude.
• 29:56
  Yeah, you know, yeah, I have feeling Biden might not have read
• 30:00
  them quite as closely. Yeah, but of course it's pretty pretty easy to
• 30:06
  control that, dude. And and it would be the perfect time, Rob
• 30:11
  to release these documents that you have, k documents everyone changed a little bit.
• 30:17
  Yeah, release them. Only nerds like us are going to go through
• 30:21
  it, and you know who cares well. And honestly, I mean as
• 30:27
  as I'll get into when I have a little bit of you know me,
• 30:32
  I like to try to set up a little bit so I have a little
• 30:33
  bit of background about the rising tide of violence that you know what I mean.
• 30:37
  People seem to think that this happened in some sort of bubble that oh,
• 30:44
  well, you know, just this guy and it just know this assassins
• 30:48
  are built. Yeah. Well, like I said in the last show,
• 30:52
  you know, it's I wish I could say that I'm surprised about what happened,
• 30:56
  but honestly, the way things were going when he was president and and
• 31:03
  when he's when he's you know, running again, I'm not surprised. They've
• 31:07
  tried everything to expose Donald Trump, do away with Donald Trump, other than
• 31:15
  actually pointing a bullet at him. You know what I'm saying. So well,
• 31:19
  and I think that the problem is one of them. You know,
• 31:22
  there's so many problems, but I think one of the problems is is that
• 31:26
  See, I am one of the people who never watched The Apprentice, so
• 31:32
  I have no real feelings on him. I don't besides Home Alone too,
• 31:37
  where he made a cameo, besides that and me and see, I'm one
• 31:41
  of the people that still remembers when he would glad hand with Joe Scarborough,
• 31:45
  who now decries him, when he would glad hand with the Clintons now to
• 31:51
  cry him. And you know that, you know that all these people ran
• 31:55
  in the same circles for decades before they suddenly became enemy. So I have
• 31:59
  some doubts about their real motivations and that they really believe what they're saying about
• 32:04
  each other. Yeah, I just like the fact that he's in the WWE
• 32:07
  Hall of Fame. Well, yeah, you know what I'm saying is that,
• 32:10
  so I never had I never had strong feelings and I still don't have
• 32:15
  strong feelings one way or the other about him. So I have never suffered
• 32:20
  this problem that some people seem to have and the media certainly, like I
• 32:23
  told my friends, and unfortunately, you know, of course, it couldn't
• 32:27
  stay that way. But three days before the assassination attempt was the first time
• 32:31
  in maybe three or four years, I had gone to Google News and his
• 32:36
  name wasn't in the top five headlines. There was finally a day where I
• 32:40
  wanted to mention something like that because I saw I was watching something this morning
• 32:47
  and it was interesting because somebody was showing these headlines from the from the left
• 32:52
  leaning media after the assassination attempt that says Trump Trump fell to his knees or
• 33:01
  he fell down hard. But they refused to say that it was an assassination
• 33:08
  attempt. It was oh yeah, yeah. I actually mentioned to my wife,
• 33:14
  I said, what did they think? It was a volunteer sniper and
• 33:16
  he dropped his rifle and an accidental shot. It's interesting that they wouldn't even
• 33:22
  say that, because you know, it would go Trump. Yeah, the
• 33:27
  political implications that they are suffering because for so long. I mean, that's
• 33:31
  that's the cost if you if you preach violence and you preach political hatred,
• 33:37
  what do you think is going to happen if you raise a generation on that
• 33:42
  people like this. A lot of a lot more examples have come out,
• 33:45
  you know, this week from gosh, I mean, especially like CNN and
• 33:51
  things like that, and I guess they have one there that's saying Trump needs
• 33:53
  to be eliminated. Trump is a threat, existential threat, terrorist threat and
• 33:59
  using words like trees, Yeah, like no terrorism, all this stuff.
• 34:07
  Yeah, okay, you're ready, and then they're surprised when something happens.
• 34:13
  Yes, I'll try to try to get the background. Let's do it,
• 34:15
  and hopefully that's very interested into your insights on this car mine. So yeah,
• 34:22
  crazy, continue, sir. Okay. So you know, as Rob
• 34:25
  said, I'm not surprised such an event happened. It was a matter of
• 34:30
  time. But you know, we've seen a rise in public shootings and demonization
• 34:34
  in US politics and certain elements in our society. Having concert brought us to
• 34:39
  this point in history, a rise. So you know, we have the
• 34:45
  rise in violence, we have isolation, we have increased mental illness and hyperpartisanship,
• 34:51
  and it all feeds into cycles of violence. A twenty twenty three Pew
• 34:55
  Research poll noted that significant increases in gun death percentages within the last five years.
• 35:02
  As I prior discussed was rob and off the air and featured in my
• 35:06
  book Human time Bomb, most data in twenty nineteen indicated we were about to
• 35:10
  see a giant increase in hyperpartisan political unrest, technological isolation, and rising public
• 35:19
  violence. The unexpected factor in the equation was the coronavirus, and that just
• 35:23
  enhanced all the worst elements of the social equation. The Center states by twenty
• 35:29
  twenty one, a record twenty three percent national increase in gun deaths that occurred
• 35:32
  in twenty nineteen. This increase consisted of a forty five percent rise in murders
• 35:37
  and a ten percent rise in suicide rates, accompanied by additional reports of rampant
• 35:42
  mental illness due to extended periods of isolation, fear, and other contributing factors.
• 35:47
  Perhaps the worst effect was on the youngest people, with citizens under the
• 35:52
  age of eighteen having a fifty percent increase in gun deaths them at the same
• 35:54
  period. We've all observed the marked rise in public shootings, namely school shooting,
• 36:00
  and these numbers are not decreasing but have consistently risen. The Federal Bureau
• 36:04
  of Investigation noted three active public shooter incidents during the year two thousand and by
• 36:08
  twenty twenty one, the figure had increased to sixty one incidents. That's a
• 36:13
  ninety five percent increase in public shootings within the past two decades. That's a
• 36:19
  lot. Yeah they're grim facts. Yeah they're grim facts, but I think
• 36:24
  they offer us a view into the mindset of the shooter, those praising him,
• 36:29
  and what hyperbolic political climate is currently surrounding us. And I fear unless
• 36:35
  significant changes are made, we haven't seen the last, but merely the first
• 36:38
  major event. I don't think you can make a case Carmine too, that
• 36:42
  a lot of these school shooters, these these lone wolf shooters, or you
• 36:47
  know, there's maybe a little more to the story. Oh yeah, you
• 36:52
  know, like for Columbine for instance, there's a lot of there's a lot
• 36:57
  of things out there that go against the official story. You know. I
• 37:02
  think there's common elements shooting. Yeah, yeah, I'm talking about as far
• 37:07
  as the modern schools, the modern school shooters. I think there's common elements
• 37:10
  that are consistently overlooked, you know what I mean, Like like when we
• 37:15
  all display warning signs years before they actually go to do it. Yeah,
• 37:20
  you wouldn't even have thought about this, like you know when we're going up
• 37:22
  and going to going to yeah, like even late eighties, early nineties,
• 37:27
  Yeah, like hitting the teacher or hitting the principal, are cussing them out,
• 37:30
  you knows. Craziness well, and and that's another part of it.
• 37:36
  And unfortunately can raise their children however they want. But if you raise them
• 37:42
  without consequence or the understanding of consequence, then they're going to go into the
• 37:45
  world and learn consequences. Yeah, we call that f a f O fuck
• 37:52
  around and find out. Yeah, you know, and it's it's common sense,
• 37:58
  isn't quite so? Common anymore. Yeah, you know, people,
• 38:01
  you know, even the young kids now, they do not have to mess
• 38:04
  with Generation X because well we don't play well and and to go into the
• 38:10
  uh another Yeah, like I said, you know then I think this is
• 38:14
  just the unfortunately, the beginning, which is why we need to try to
• 38:16
  head off a continuation. But the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security two
• 38:22
  days after Trump was shot, issued warnings about quote retaliatory acts of violence to
• 38:28
  this assassination of right. I mean what I'm worried about. I think if
• 38:34
  it would have been a successful attempt, it could have definitely would have happen.
• 38:39
  I would like, at personally to see that whatever studio put out that
• 38:44
  movie Civil War bankrupt because they are horrible, perfect example. But it's a
• 38:51
  perfect example of scum trying to make money on the back of political unrest,
• 38:57
  just fueling the flames so they can make a couple of bucks in the box
• 39:00
  office. I'm glad hopefully it tanked. It did. It sucked. It
• 39:04
  was a horrible movie. I wasted my money, and yeah, it's thank
• 39:09
  god it wasn't a great movie that attracted a lot more eyeballs on it.
• 39:13
  But yeah, you know something like that, and you know, you can
• 39:16
  you can translate this into you know, like the Walking Dead, any of
• 39:20
  these you know, greatly apocalyptic futures. You know, yeah, yeah,
• 39:28
  so you can't be early Walking Dead. So if you'd like now, I'd
• 39:36
  like to I'm going to try. Like I told Joan Robb, I spend
• 39:39
  some time trying to acquire sources from across the spectrum, finding the points of
• 39:45
  agreement with facts we can actually put together, and actually try to put a
• 39:49
  picture that I don't understand why the mainstream media hasn't been able to put together
• 39:52
  yet, but try to put a picture together of the shooter, the security
• 39:57
  failures, even the aftermath, so we know what probably happened and why he
• 40:04
  did the things he did and what he did because most of the major media
• 40:07
  sources even don't have a working timeline going. So a couple do, but
• 40:12
  most of them don't have key events anyway. So Thomas Matthew Crooks was born
• 40:19
  and raised in Bethel Park, Pennsylvania, dur in the fall of two thousand
• 40:22
  and three. He grew up in the age of political hyperbole and rapidly increasing
• 40:25
  public incidents of gun violence. The modern twenty four hour press cycle provided him
• 40:30
  a constant diet of violence, fear mongering, and politically divisive content. He
• 40:37
  graduated from a local high school, where he excelled in math amidst. Twenty
• 40:39
  twenty two. Yet Crooks while in high school, was banned from the Bethel
• 40:45
  Park High School's rifle team because of his poor aim and was considered a danger
• 40:50
  to others. His classmates had starkly different memories of him. Some described him
• 40:54
  as intelligent, quiet, and adored by his teachers. Others say that he
• 40:59
  was bullied nearly every day and ridiculed for wearing hunting clothes as he sat alone
• 41:02
  at lunch. Well, on that note, car Mine, I did see
• 41:06
  an interview with his guidance counselor, and his guidance counselor is a guy named
• 41:14
  nap K n A p P. And he basically said that it's not true
• 41:22
  that this kid was bullied on a daily basis. You know. He said
• 41:27
  at one point that he had a group of boys of friends of his,
• 41:31
  maybe five or six, like in the tenth grade. He was he saw
• 41:37
  this kid eating by himself in the lunch room, and he you know,
• 41:40
  went over and offered he, you know, do you do you want me
• 41:45
  to sit with you? Do you need somebody to talk to you? And
• 41:46
  he's like, no, I'm good, I'm just playing on my phone,
• 41:50
  you know. And his junior and senior year, he was actually able to
• 41:54
  eat lunch with his group of friends. And he said, there's no way
• 41:59
  that this he was being bullied, because if he was, I would have
• 42:01
  known about him put a stop to it. You know. The school wasn't
• 42:05
  like that big where this kid is getting lost, you know, because he
• 42:08
  was and I think potentially, you know, he was a smart kid,
• 42:13
  ap kid. But yeah, go ahead, Well I'm gonna say, and
• 42:19
  maybe that's that's guy's view of this guy, but that's not the definitive view
• 42:23
  of him, because if you look at the dozen I think the guy's interviewed
• 42:27
  a hundred so far, But if you look at the dozen or more witnesses
• 42:29
  you can get from various news outlets, it's conflicting. Yeah, there is
• 42:32
  no there is no one story about this guy. He might have known him
• 42:37
  to have friends, and that's fine. He had friends, but apparently sometimes
• 42:39
  he said alone, and he was the worst shot anyone had ever seen,
• 42:44
  according to at least a dozen people, and he were hunting clothes target,
• 42:51
  which could only increase someone. If if you're the worst shot in the world
• 42:55
  and you were hunting clothes to school, you're gonna get teased. It's gonna
• 43:00
  happen. That's great that the guidance consonan didn't see it happened. But I'm
• 43:05
  sorry. I remember for Carmen and you have a ten inch you gotta hide
• 43:12
  that silhouette down there somehow. You know, you need to wear camouflage pants.
• 43:19
  My thing is it can all be true, though, you know what
• 43:22
  I mean, he doesn't. He might have been teased at some points,
• 43:24
  and maybe he had friends at some points. We all had, you know,
• 43:28
  Yeah, but it wasn't like this kid was getting his ass beat every
• 43:30
  day. Oh no, no, no, I just think that I think
• 43:32
  that it makes total sense that you would be teased over being a horrible shot
• 43:40
  and you were hunting clothes. Yeah, yeah, it makes total sense.
• 43:45
  Do we know that his family, like his dad. Was his dad a
• 43:49
  hunter because I know the rifle was supposed to he had a gun collection,
• 43:52
  He had a gun collection. Was he a hunter like an avid hunter?
• 43:54
  I don't that. We don't know that. Yeah, I think the family
• 43:59
  is being very quiet because later on I'll go into it the exact time it
• 44:04
  happened, but a couple hours before the shooting occurred, they called the police
• 44:07
  with a welfare report about him. Oh really, so I think they knew
• 44:13
  he was armed, They knew Trump was in the area and were coming to
• 44:16
  understand what was about to happen. And I heard Trump supporters, but we
• 44:22
  don't know what they said. Agibly, they said they were concerned. I'm
• 44:27
  not I heard that report too, carm Rain, and I saw a couple
• 44:30
  major media outlets reported that, but I'm not sure if they stated what exactly
• 44:36
  they were concerned about. Of course you could make oh yeah, yeah,
• 44:38
  no, I just could have been a general welfare But even that they did,
• 44:42
  that should have alerted the security or should have alerted someone at the police
• 44:47
  that perhaps you might want to check the local event where a major was showing
• 44:53
  up at least to check out to make sure, because if he's danger to
• 44:57
  himself, even make sure he's okay, just find that where he is.
• 45:00
  And had that happenst and had local police called about that welfare check to the
• 45:08
  police that were at the event, it might have registered that the guy who
• 45:14
  just walked in and started walking around was the person that they had called about.
• 45:19
  But anyway, okay, so yeah, I want to address something really
• 45:22
  quickly from a commentary, and that says it's about the blackrock video that the
• 45:30
  guy was in, right you obviously, Carmen, I'm sure you've seen it,
• 45:36
  and very quickly he's he appears in the black rock whatever video and propaganda
• 45:45
  video. Yeah. But I mean, and people are gonna call me like
• 45:51
  a woke something for this, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. He was
• 45:54
  in AP classes. You think Blackrock would probably record those classes over other classes,
• 46:04
  and well that's what the teacher taught. He taught eight, you know,
• 46:07
  AP math or Yeah, I don't think that that necessarily just yeah,
• 46:13
  that's my point. That's my point. It doesn't necessarily prove anything at all,
• 46:17
  because even if you think it's it's a deep state black rock conspiracy,
• 46:22
  why would you put him in the video? It doesn't at all, Right,
• 46:27
  No, Like, I think it's interesting somebody found him in that video,
• 46:30
  you know. Well, and that's crazy. Another thing too that I
• 46:34
  think supports that he did endure some sort of torment at high school was he
• 46:38
  had no social media, so either somebody purge his social media it was suppressed
• 46:45
  by officials, or he was experiencing some bullying and decided he didn't want more
• 46:51
  online and just didn't make a count, yeah, or he just thought it
• 46:55
  was stupid. And some of these hyper intelligent people like that even to this
• 47:01
  day, Like people I went to school with, they are very very smart.
• 47:06
  They do not have any social media to look for friends that I went
• 47:12
  to high school with. Yeah, they were very very smart. Not even
• 47:15
  a Facebook page. You know, it's like that's weird. I mean,
• 47:19
  I know this guy was successful, I know he's super smart, he's got
• 47:22
  a family, but well, online it's yeah, it's a way to maintain
• 47:28
  your privacy. Yeah. People just some people just aren't. They just don't
• 47:31
  give a shit about social media. You know. I just think that that,
• 47:36
  Yeah, you know, whether we I don't think it has to be
• 47:38
  one or the other. I think that he could have eventually had friends and
• 47:42
  eventually been more popular, and maybe he went through a period where he wasn't
• 47:45
  so popular. But you certainly don't want to be known as the worst shot
• 47:50
  in town. Nobody wants to be the worst than anything. Well, I'm
• 47:54
  just didn't I'm just wondering why this kid didn't go off to college somewhere.
• 47:58
  Well, me, he did. He took the words right out of my
• 48:00
  mouth. I was about to say, this kid is in ap classes,
• 48:05
  very smart whatever. The community college, right, but he could have gone
• 48:12
  to a real college. Yeah yeah, yeah, Well he turned it down.
• 48:15
  So I think exactly that's the reason, Like, why would why would
• 48:19
  he do that? When you can go to a different school and have a
• 48:22
  new life where nobody knows you. Well, I think by that point he
• 48:24
  already had his plan in his head. I think this plan was months in
• 48:27
  advance because from more of the later reports they looked into his the FBI searched
• 48:32
  his Internet searches and he was following Trump events since early spring. Yeah,
• 48:38
  but he was twenty. I mean he could have he could have went to
• 48:40
  college like a year and a half ago or two years ago. Oh no,
• 48:43
  no, no, I you know what I'm saying. Oh oh yeah,
• 48:45
  yeah, no, he could have right after. I honestly, maybe
• 48:47
  he just went to stay local. I mean, you know, he went
• 48:50
  to the local community college instead. And I think there's something to say for
• 48:54
  and I at that age, I have lived with my parents before you get
• 49:00
  you can get isolated, right, you can drift apart from your friends and
• 49:05
  what it wasn't really the social media agent is now, but if you can
• 49:10
  kind of isolate yourself with your whatever views you want. Really, and he
• 49:20
  seemed I don't know if you're if you know he there were reports he starts
• 49:23
  Biden and other people and he just did McConnell. But Trump was the one
• 49:31
  he decided to really devote a dungeon. It's just odd. That's some some
• 49:36
  kid at his age. This is what he's interested in, you know what
• 49:37
  I mean? Well, like you said, the hyper intelligent and obsessive.
• 49:43
  I really think I'll get into it more. But I think I think that
• 49:47
  that that rifle club incident was the beginning of a path that he went on.
• 49:53
  I think that he got it into his mind that he was not going
• 49:58
  to be remembered as the worst shot ever, and I think that affected his
• 50:02
  actions. And I think this was a methodical. He got an engineering degree
• 50:07
  from a local community college, so he wasn't foolish. She was all about
• 50:09
  planning, that's engineering. He was taking every step he could to make sure
• 50:15
  that the perfect shot could be delivered range with a range finder, a golf
• 50:22
  range sound. Yeah, which entertain this scenario real quick? Okay, say
• 50:28
  this event had legitimate security perimeters. Yeah, he would have never he would
• 50:34
  never get into that. Yeah, he would have never had as soon as
• 50:37
  he range finder, he should have been taken into custody right as soon as
• 50:43
  you walk in. And then then his name would have been flagged by the
• 50:46
  local authorities because his parents had reported him missing end of this and would have
• 50:52
  been banned. Wow. Okay, so okay, let me i'llknock out the
• 50:55
  rest of this and I'll get into the timeline because we're getting in to the
• 50:59
  event. So yes, sorry. So he worked in a nursing home kitchen
• 51:01
  and graduated earlier in the year with a degree in engineering from the Community College
• 51:05
  of Alleghany. Interestingly, he had no disiplentary record, prior rests, no
• 51:08
  sign of obvious into illness or propensity for violence. He worked in a nursing
• 51:13
  home. Yep, he worked in a nursing home kitchen. Do you want
• 51:16
  to know something really funny in the JFK community. That's a horrible job,
• 51:22
  by the way, Yeah, Vince Palmera's mother who has since passed away.
• 51:28
  I heard this in the past week. Was at that nursing home. Oh,
• 51:32
  of course, Palmara is a secret service expert in he lives in the
• 51:38
  same town as that's exactly exactly in Bethel Park. Yeah yeah, so sorry,
• 51:45
  oh tie so so. Crooks was a member of the local Clerton Sportsman's
• 51:50
  Club, where he practiced shooting for at least one year prior to the events
• 51:53
  of last weekend. The club had targets extending to one hundred and seventy one
• 51:58
  yards over thirty yards farther than the distance from which he fired to Donald Trump.
• 52:01
  According to one media report, and official told them, Crooks apparently tracked
• 52:06
  Trump's movements from as far back as Spring using the Internet. This would certainly
• 52:09
  support premeditation, and that he waited until Trump made a visit to a more
• 52:13
  accessible location before he could set his plan into motion. At some point before
• 52:17
  Trump campaign events were announced, he crafted two improvised explosive devices that could be
• 52:23
  detonated using a radio transmitter. Wednesday, July third, twenty twenty four,
• 52:30
  local media reports Trump will be holding a rally at the Butler Farm Showgrounds.
• 52:34
  This provides over a week for the shooter to survey the area, acquire necessary
• 52:37
  equipment, and this suspect is already well practiced. A year or more of
• 52:43
  solid practice, including just before the event itself, would suggest that Crook's aim
• 52:47
  had improved since high school. He at least had a quality weapon and citing
• 52:52
  equipment that would make it more difficult to miss. Crooks later requests that his
• 52:55
  employer give him the day off the day of the campaign event, and was
• 53:00
  obliged. Friday, July twelfth, twenty twenty four, Thomas practiced one final
• 53:06
  time at his gun club. The next morning, he borrowed an AR fifteen
• 53:09
  style rifle from his father's weapon collection and left the Crooks family home. He
• 53:15
  drove first to home depot in about a five foot ladder. Thus he may
• 53:19
  have already known the height of the buildings at the crime scene, and using
• 53:22
  a small ladder was more portable and likely to be noticed. The attempted assassin
• 53:27
  went to alleganty arms and gun works and purchased fifty rounds of ammunition for the
• 53:30
  rifle he already had fifty rounds. Just as a side note, optimistic,
• 53:37
  so I think that that Trump wasn't he was planning a massacre. You don't
• 53:42
  bring one hundred rounds to kill one person. Right. So what you said,
• 53:50
  Carmine there was interesting because apparently this is not the rifle that he practiced
• 53:54
  with. He had just borrowed this rifle from his parents house that morning.
• 53:59
  While I think it knew if he shot with that rifle. Yeah, he
• 54:02
  practiced with that rifle before he did. Yeah. Yea, his father had
• 54:06
  lent it to him. That's why it wasn't a question because right now the
• 54:08
  parents and the media are kind of going back and forth on whether or not
• 54:12
  they knew. They knew because it was the first reports the father let him
• 54:15
  borrow his R fifteen style rifle. It was the first time that he had
• 54:19
  shot this rifle. That's oh, because we don't know. Yeah, if
• 54:22
  it was sighted in and all of this sudden, yeah it was. This
• 54:27
  was a rifle that he had practiced with prior. So I assume he's an
• 54:30
  engineer. I'm gonna guess he didn't decide to switch rifles on the day of
• 54:37
  that. He probably used a rifle he had already cited it in was if
• 54:40
  he had gone through the trouble. Another thing is the explosives that he created.
• 54:45
  He ordered the material through a fake name because the company that made the
• 54:50
  fireworks company that was responsible for the detonators and some of the other components checked
• 54:54
  all of their sales records and none of none could be found in his name.
• 55:00
  So Pennsylvania is a state where you can buy like fireworks were most of
• 55:07
  the time, that stuff is illegal, Yeah, in a lot of other
• 55:10
  states to own. And because it's so easy to make bombs, legit stuff,
• 55:15
  you know, like stuff that goes boom big, you know, giant
• 55:17
  fireworks like you know, professional style of course, dynamite stuff like that.
• 55:23
  So I and I assume the Yeah, if the weapon he used the day
• 55:28
  of was the weapon he used the day before, Yeah, he didn't decide
• 55:31
  to just switch up. This was the one he used for a year.
• 55:35
  This was the one he was Yeah, and so one thing I had I
• 55:40
  just want to interrupt. So the five foot ladder that he allegedly bought at
• 55:45
  home depot, we have a question on this and then chat. The five
• 55:49
  foot ladder wasn't tall enough. So if you realize it was too small,
• 55:54
  did he use another ladder that was there? Well, let me bust Let
• 55:59
  me bust a myth really quick, if I may about this goddamn five foot
• 56:02
  ladder. Okay, so even even last week, you know, we got
• 56:07
  derailed on this ladder because it definitely didn't look like a five foot ladder,
• 56:13
  okay ladder. But I found a picture where there is a five foot ladder,
• 56:19
  and it was explained that the ten foot ladder or whatever it was,
• 56:23
  was placed there by the cop that was trying to get up to the roof.
• 56:28
  Here's a picture of where he placed the five foot ladder, folks.
• 56:34
  Let's see if you can see it here okay, where it's his shooter ladder.
• 56:37
  Okay. Down here there is like a little outbuilding okay, where he
• 56:43
  could have climbed up on top. Then the five foot ladder is placed from
• 56:45
  the top of this little shed building up to the roof, so he would
• 56:51
  likely assessed the area before this. Yeah, if you see where it's his
• 56:54
  swat light swat ladder, that is where the ladder was placed, the real
• 57:00
  tall one, So there is there is a smaller ladder. I don't know
• 57:05
  why, I says Saddam Hussein is hiding in this little ship and I did
• 57:08
  not make this. I did not make this graphic, folks, But yeah,
• 57:15
  it explains how he was able to find how he got up on the
• 57:19
  roof. So right, there was the little five foot ladder on top of
• 57:22
  this ship. You know, he probably climbed up on top of that little
• 57:24
  overhang and then up to the roof. But it makes sense to do that
• 57:30
  because, like I said, portability and concealability. If you're carrying a little
• 57:34
  five foot ladder, the average person is not going to bother you. There's
• 57:37
  lots of construction going on for the event. A five foot ladder is not
• 57:39
  going to draw a lot of attention. Well, if you've got our big
• 57:42
  twenty ft extension painting ladder, you're going to draw some attention, dude.
• 57:47
  Yeah, But a random dude just carrying a ladder at an event like that
• 57:52
  is it is strange, but not as strange as you know, like a
• 57:58
  huge one, right, like if he had on like a high viz vest
• 58:01
  or a hard hat or something, but you know, a little little disguise.
• 58:05
  I mean, he could he could have gone a little bit further to
• 58:07
  it, yeah, other than just toting a rifle. And but honestly,
• 58:10
  I went looking at looking at what occurred. He actually did way more than
• 58:15
  he needed right to get through the security, because the security, as we
• 58:19
  shall see, was rather porous and they called it like the pac Man security
• 58:22
  perimeter because it was it was instead of being a full circle, it was
• 58:28
  like a pac Man's mouth. Was this cutout piece that went around this building.
• 58:32
  Yeah, into the event and it makes no sense whatsoever. So the
• 58:40
  ladder, yeah we got I'm glad you explained the ladder so people don't focus
• 58:44
  on that. Yes, I just wanted to bust that myth about the ladder
• 58:47
  and all that. So he did have a five foot ladder. He did
• 58:51
  use it. The big ladder is is something else? That's you know what?
• 58:54
  The yeah what the SCHWAT team tried to climb up in the when he
• 59:00
  aimed at them exactly. So uh. By that afternoon, Crooks had,
• 59:06
  as I said, installed the two homemade bombs in his vehicle, which would
• 59:08
  be done by a transmitter. He later parked, this is something I don't
• 59:13
  see. I haven't seen covered a lot of places. He parked his car
• 59:15
  at a local gas station a third of a mile away from the event site
• 59:20
  and walked to the location. While officials had doubts about the viability of the
• 59:23
  devices being used with success, the intent is clear and lethal. If the
• 59:28
  devices were successful, they might have ignited the pump's fumes or ruptured the gas
• 59:32
  station's tanks and triggered a huge blast. What was the chatter about him having
• 59:39
  a van? Then? Yeah, no, he had a little ki,
• 59:43
  He had a Sonati. It was a little car because this this vehicle,
• 59:51
  yeah, was seen being towed away from the event, and everybody just thought
• 59:57
  it was his. No, yeah, like a Hyundai or like a little
• 1:00:01
  little compact car. Okay, all right, and that's we're gonna and real
• 1:00:08
  quick. While we're on this whole van kick, I saw this conspiracy theory
• 1:00:15
  that I wanted to bust real quick because somebody said, you know, they
• 1:00:22
  saw this van being being pulled away. Whose van is this? Right?
• 1:00:25
  And then they pulled this up, you know, the whole Remember this guy
• 1:00:30
  Joe was Vince Fusca. They show him holding up pictures of a white van
• 1:00:38
  Okay, behind Trump speaking. Now that's right, Yeah, that's ridiculous.
• 1:00:45
  So what that I mean? We're getting into Roger Craig, you know,
• 1:00:49
  green car areas, right, you know, say that this guy or Q
• 1:00:55
  or stuff like that. But now remember Q and I went away. That
• 1:01:00
  was so nice. Let's just do this. Let's go away again, Go
• 1:01:02
  away, well, thank you. It was the picture I just showed you
• 1:01:06
  from this one right, yeah, is not from the assassination attempt. It
• 1:01:10
  is actually from uh I think it was nineteen no, nineteen twenty jesus,
• 1:01:21
  it was when he was running for president the first time with Pence. Okay,
• 1:01:24
  because you can see this dude right here behind Milani his head right and
• 1:01:29
  he's holding up the pictures of this van. Well, it turns out Vince
• 1:01:32
  Fusca has a van that is decked out for Trump. I mean, it's
• 1:01:37
  got Trump painted all over, it's got these all these times he was promoting
• 1:01:42
  these pictures of trying to show Trump pictures of his van, Like, I
• 1:01:45
  support you, dude, you know. Like, so wait that that's one
• 1:01:51
  conspiracy theory that we can put the rest. I'm glad. Yeah, we'll
• 1:01:54
  debuilt that the letter, So pray continue. We're gonna have to do Trump
• 1:02:02
  myth shows. Well, actually I'm trying to some of them here, bro
• 1:02:08
  man, Okay, so yeah, let me go, car continue. I
• 1:02:12
  have a question, and I talked to Rob about this off here. So
• 1:02:16
  say the win was different or the tutor had more skills. I don't think
• 1:02:24
  it was that. I really do think it was Trump didn't turn his head.
• 1:02:28
  Yeah, No, it was chance. It was total chance. No,
• 1:02:31
  I agree, You've taken so many steps and preparations to make that perfect
• 1:02:36
  shot. It was total chance that Trump turned his head and then totally screwed
• 1:02:40
  the trajectory. Oh, I agree. And what I'm saying, would you,
• 1:02:47
  being as experienced you are in political assassinations, would you? I mean,
• 1:02:53
  and this is not like a pro Trump negative Trump, but would you
• 1:02:57
  be a Trump assassination research? Sure? And I thought of this myself and
• 1:03:00
  I was like, would I And the answer is probably, yeah, I
• 1:03:06
  would, But I wouldn't. See here's the problem. This is what I
• 1:03:08
  like to tell the people who like to research A nine eleven. You're never
• 1:03:13
  going to live to see the documents unless Trump himself forces the release. They're
• 1:03:20
  never going to let those documents out until they required fifty to seventy five year
• 1:03:22
  period for historical documents under the law. So you're just gonna be guessing.
• 1:03:28
  Most of the time. You'll have media reports, and like tonight, I'm
• 1:03:31
  using media reports because that's all we have. I would use primary sources if
• 1:03:36
  we had the files, but we don't, so we have to go off
• 1:03:38
  of what the most amount of witnesses say. We have to go off with
• 1:03:42
  the points of agreement between the stories. You know, that stuff. But
• 1:03:46
  yeah, that's I would try to investigate it. But who knows. I
• 1:03:51
  mean, as you know, I've sent letters to various intelligence agencies and made
• 1:03:57
  requests scenario, so there was a full year request for Yeah, but you
• 1:04:01
  know, who's I would love to think, you know, no matter who
• 1:04:04
  wins, and I'm an independent, I really don't care for either candidate,
• 1:04:10
  but if Trump wins, he would I would think and gender a lot of
• 1:04:15
  support by releasing all the information about his attempt and DRAFK because that's all the
• 1:04:21
  information that the American people need to know. We need to know the truth
• 1:04:25
  about. Okay, so let me jump back into this. Let's try to
• 1:04:27
  get some more facts out there. Yes, yes, yes, so he
• 1:04:31
  practices his gun. Okay. At some point, hours prior to the shooting,
• 1:04:35
  his parents contact local police and state that he was missing. They were
• 1:04:39
  concerned about his welfare, yet they reportedly knew he was armed, and that
• 1:04:44
  suggests it might not have just been about his welfare. At three pm,
• 1:04:47
  Crooks went to the Trump event at Butler Farm and was stopped when a metal
• 1:04:50
  detector located a rangefinder, a piece of hunting and golfing equipment used for setting
• 1:04:56
  up trajectory, the trajectory of long distance shots. He was openly carrying in
• 1:05:00
  his hand. Well, here's your flag. Yeah, that's the first that's
• 1:05:05
  the first time. Yeah, he's allowed to enter. It's my monocular.
• 1:05:11
  Yeah, I want to see Trump with it. Exactly Wait did he enter?
• 1:05:15
  Yeah, he entered carrying it in his hand, according to reports with
• 1:05:18
  the ladder, and some of the people, you know, try to make
• 1:05:21
  excuses because there's well they're like, well, you know there's people that you
• 1:05:25
  outside the events with guns and they have like gun equipment stuff. So it's
• 1:05:29
  so, so what it's It's okay, Now it's not then you stay outside
• 1:05:35
  the perimeter. Pal, if you're going to carry that around, what do
• 1:05:40
  you need to trajectory finder? Institutional right to carry my firearm on my hip?
• 1:05:45
  And and you know people say, well I actually saw some people also
• 1:05:48
  trying to make excuses. They said, well, you know, for the
• 1:05:50
  insurance that's carried by the venue and the legal liability, we don't want to
• 1:05:54
  get sued for violating. The police can hold you for forty eight hours.
• 1:05:58
  Just if they suspect that thing. Just probable cause is all they need,
• 1:06:02
  and they can hold your forty eight hours, So none of that apply.
• 1:06:06
  Yeah, this should have. This was the first warning that they ignored.
• 1:06:12
  So he's allowed to enter. Ah, he's feasibly staking out the crime scene,
• 1:06:17
  locating security positions and the grounds to prepare a shot. These are not
• 1:06:23
  the acts of an erratic mind. Crooks has been methodical, performing basic counter
• 1:06:27
  surveillance to assure the position he selected as the best one possible, and has
• 1:06:31
  a rangefinder to aid in his attack. One security official, one of the
• 1:06:35
  snipers actually noticed him observing security positions until he departed the perimeter, but never
• 1:06:44
  stopped him for questioning. One of the snipers actually reported to another officer,
• 1:06:47
  this guy's looking at us, watching. This guy is going to climb up,
• 1:06:53
  climb up on the building that they're inside of. Okay, so so
• 1:06:59
  he got through with the rangefinder. You don't do anything. One of the
• 1:07:02
  snipers sees him looking at the security positions through the rangefinder, like he was
• 1:07:08
  looking at the rangefinder and the guy was looking through the scope looking at him
• 1:07:11
  through the rangefinder. Number two, No problem. They let him leave unhampered.
• 1:07:18
  So yeah, this was the first area of notable official mistakes by local
• 1:07:25
  police, and you could serve as agents. Further, it was a clue
• 1:07:28
  that his intentions were not just to attend the event. He does not require
• 1:07:31
  a rangefinder to attend a political rally. Since he was not at a hunting
• 1:07:34
  or golfing convention, it should have been held until he departed or confiscated.
• 1:07:43
  Authorities can hold anyone. Yeah, like I said, you know, they
• 1:07:45
  could hold anyone for arrest, you know. Anyway, So then he leaves
• 1:07:50
  for a time. This was another indicator that his interests were not in the
• 1:07:54
  event itself. If he wanted to attend, he would have stayed to watch
• 1:07:57
  Trump. Instead, he just walked up round and left hours before the speech
• 1:08:01
  had begun. You know, they didn't follow. Why follow him? He's
• 1:08:06
  just got a rage finder. He's just looking at all the security positions.
• 1:08:13
  Okay, So just after five pm, Crooks appears on video footage walking either
• 1:08:17
  AGR building, which he selected to use as his firing point. At five
• 1:08:24
  forty five pm, a local Beaver County EMS unit observes Crooks surveying the roof
• 1:08:28
  of the ADR building. Ten minutes later, police assigned to the inside of
• 1:08:31
  the AhR Building warned the Secret Service about quote, a suspicious person with a
• 1:08:36
  rangefinder and backpack. One might think it would ring a bell since perimeter security
• 1:08:45
  had watched a man less than two hours prior with a range finder walking around
• 1:08:49
  the event, this unknown individual is deemed a security threat. Then at five
• 1:08:57
  forty five, Trump takes the stage. At six oh five, police radioated
• 1:09:02
  in and sent a picture of crooks to federal officials. He, according to
• 1:09:06
  reports, made three trips back and forth, but was never stopped by anyone.
• 1:09:12
  Those potentially were to make sure the area was clear, move the latter
• 1:09:15
  into position, and bring his weapon to the AhR Building. Officials, despite
• 1:09:19
  their repeated mentions and notifications of security threats, decide to move forward and former
• 1:09:26
  President Trump would take the stage at six oh five pm. Subsequently, members
• 1:09:32
  of the crowd, and this is so Kennedy esque, begin to report to
• 1:09:38
  authorities that they observe a man climbing a building with a rifle nearby. So
• 1:09:45
  this is before anything's happened. They're getting reports from the crowd. Now in
• 1:09:49
  position with a weapon, bulletproof vest, one hundred rounds of ammunition, and
• 1:09:55
  his radio transmitter, Crooks begins to set his plan into motion. Local police
• 1:10:00
  attempt to climb the ladder just before he fired. In response, Crooks brandishes
• 1:10:03
  his weapon and they take cover. Four minutes after Donald Trump began his speech,
• 1:10:09
  gunfire rings out from the ADR building. Crooks had fired multiple shots at
• 1:10:14
  the former president and hit once. He additionally killed one attendee and injured multiple
• 1:10:18
  others. Donald Trump sat cover, and seconds became like hours until he arose,
• 1:10:23
  pumping his fists, and now other well known events unfolded yet simultaneously above
• 1:10:28
  them. When the first burst of shots ended, a second commenced thirty three
• 1:10:33
  seconds later by a counter sniper team that spotted Thomas Crooks and killed him.
• 1:10:40
  The gunman was committed to undertaking his criminal deed by extensive planning and preparing for
• 1:10:45
  months to maximize his chances of success. He is nearly the opposite of le
• 1:10:49
  Harvey Oswald. He is younger, notably quiet, unmarried, highly intelligent,
• 1:10:56
  and was largely regarded as unpopular but not a loner. Practiced with his rifle.
• 1:11:00
  I'mike Oswald. He waited for the best circumstances to attack, and made
• 1:11:05
  rudimentary explosive devices to potentially distract law enforcement or destroy evidence. Yet none of
• 1:11:13
  this was possible if the area had been properly secured, and clearly it was
• 1:11:17
  not, so security failures like to discuss the what do you think so far?
• 1:11:28
  Hopefully I've given a decent timeline of event. Yes, yes, there
• 1:11:31
  was a ton. I mean, look, like I said, this guy
• 1:11:36
  was smart. He planned a lot of stuff, but you had tons of
• 1:11:41
  clues. If you're going into this thing, at least attempt a disguise,
• 1:11:45
  like somebody said, wear a Mega hat or a Trump shirt so you don't
• 1:11:50
  stick out like a sore thumb. I think I think he realized after he
• 1:11:56
  strolled in with the rangefinder he was gonna have any problems. Security was so
• 1:12:00
  lax that he was just going You saw so many eyewitnesses pointing this guy out
• 1:12:04
  as an outsider. Yeah, you know he did. He didn't even attempt
• 1:12:08
  to be a Trump supporter or to look like one. Yeah, you know,
• 1:12:12
  blend in with all these other don'ts. And like I said, the
• 1:12:15
  rangefinder is the first mistake. That he didn't stay is the second. Why
• 1:12:19
  did he even come? What's the purpose to even show up with a rangefinder
• 1:12:23
  and not stay for the event. So you're not there for the event,
• 1:12:27
  You're there for another reason, right, you know. And then he's seen
• 1:12:31
  looking at security positions. That's another factor. Why is that not considered.
• 1:12:38
  You're not gonna You're not gonna at least go up and go, hey,
• 1:12:40
  what are you doing here? Let me understand this correctly, Carmine. So
• 1:12:45
  he tried to get in. They wouldn't let him into the event with the
• 1:12:49
  no, they let him in. They let him in with it with the
• 1:12:54
  rangefinder. Oh, I thought, you said they Oh, well, the
• 1:12:59
  metal detector went all off, okay, and he showed that he had the
• 1:13:02
  rangefinder in his hand. They saw him with it, and then they waved
• 1:13:06
  him in. They said, that's that's what must have said, it's my
• 1:13:10
  camera. Now. If it had and like, that would have been fine.
• 1:13:15
  If he would have been a little bit smarter, maybe he would have
• 1:13:18
  found a camera that could have acted like a rangefinder or you know, something
• 1:13:21
  similar to help with the trajectory. That might have been an even more devious
• 1:13:25
  way. But you say that he left for a little while, and well,
• 1:13:28
  yeah, yeah, he went there. He staked out the area,
• 1:13:30
  and then he returned at five and then he started to put everything into position,
• 1:13:34
  made sure the air was clear, sets up the ladder, and then
• 1:13:39
  he waited. You know, he was also you could see the plan and
• 1:13:42
  that he waited till the very last minute, so that there was a very
• 1:13:45
  minimal chance, like those cops climbing up the ladder was the only chance of
• 1:13:48
  it not happening, right, and he just scared them off. So that
• 1:13:56
  was really the only opposition he faced whatsoever. Thank you, Colleen, Yes,
• 1:14:01
  thank you Rocken. So uh Carmine so allegedly what I've heard from the
• 1:14:10
  I guess it was the sheriff of Butler County. So you know, we'
• 1:14:15
  there's been a couple of videos of cops kind of running around a cop car
• 1:14:20
  kind of making U turns a few seconds before the assassination. And you alluded
• 1:14:27
  to the cop that kind of pulled himself up almost like a pull up,
• 1:14:31
  right, So he has, you know, his hands on the fence up
• 1:14:35
  here, and he pulls himself up. He looks over the roof, the
• 1:14:41
  shooter points a gun at him. He then drops his hands. Well,
• 1:14:45
  he should have his side arm in his hand, yea from what I should
• 1:14:50
  have been, yeah, grabbing the side They should have brought a ladder.
• 1:14:54
  There should have been somebody else with I mean, I'll get into exactly what
• 1:14:57
  I think, but yeah, yeah, the lapses are yeah right, but
• 1:15:00
  I mean allegedly the Crooks pointed he's gone at the officer. The officer kind
• 1:15:10
  of duck back down and then fell and then he Crooks allegedly injured himself as
• 1:15:15
  well. And then Crooks then pointed back at the President and fired kind of
• 1:15:20
  in a rushed way. Well he did. He had to because he knew
• 1:15:26
  that they were right almost on top of people of the day. Boys right
• 1:15:29
  here did he have chicken bones and a coke? Now, Unfortunately, he,
• 1:15:39
  like I said, he's the opposite of Oswald. He is the Warren
• 1:15:42
  Commission's dream, is what he Thomas Crooks is the Warren commissions dream because he's
• 1:15:46
  how they supposed to work with. Yeah, this is yeah, this is
• 1:15:49
  how an actual attempted assassin goes about if they plan and succeeding, this is
• 1:15:56
  how they go about it. So responses to eliminate them twenty six seconds after,
• 1:16:03
  Yeah, you have a dead subspector a party's over. Make the same
• 1:16:06
  mistake, right, Yeah, keep him alive for forty eight hours, like
• 1:16:11
  no, we're not doing them this time. Yeah yeah, no, no,
• 1:16:14
  no, no no, yeah. Yeah. Well, and you know
• 1:16:16
  what, I'm glad because, like I said, he had one hundred rounds.
• 1:16:20
  That could have been a blood bath if you would have got more shots
• 1:16:24
  off and just started fighting into the crowd. Yeah, so we're lucky that
• 1:16:29
  that counter sniper. Like I said, it might have seemed like it might
• 1:16:31
  have seemed like a long time, but it was only thirty three seconds until
• 1:16:34
  they took him out. Yeah. Yeah, And I got actually got some
• 1:16:40
  crap because I gave credit to the Secret Service team, like right around Trump
• 1:16:45
  and how they covered him within three seconds, as when I was comparing to
• 1:16:48
  the JFK, where yeah, how long Colorman and no one else did anything?
• 1:16:55
  Yeah, and it it it's very different. And the counter sniper team,
• 1:17:02
  as Rob and I discussed on our show forty eight hours after on Monday
• 1:17:06
  night, which is equivalent to the doing a podcast on the night Ruby shud
• 1:17:12
  Oswald, right, and being like it was this, it was that.
• 1:17:15
  And of course we got some things wrong, like the counter sniper team I
• 1:17:19
  posited was State Police and not the Secret Service, but apparently it was Secret
• 1:17:24
  Service counter Sniper Team, right, so they at least did one thing right.
• 1:17:29
  Yeah, but there were two counter snipper teams on both the roofs,
• 1:17:31
  and we were right that one of the CS teams their view was obstructed not
• 1:17:39
  only by the tilted roof, but by the tree in the way. And
• 1:17:43
  it was allegedly the other counter sniper team that had to take him out.
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  And we were right that when we talked about how the guy pulled back and
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  had to readjust they were probably looking five six hundred yards out like they were
• 1:17:56
  looking underd fifty meters out. They assumed that was of the local police.
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  And now you have a situation where a secret service is blaming the local police.
• 1:18:04
  And actually, I'll get it. Yeah, I can go out.
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  Yeah, So after the I'll give a little background because people don't really I
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  don't think, you know, besides us people who are into investigating these agencies
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  the Secret Service. After Abraham Lincoln's death in the eighteen sixty five, multiple
• 1:18:24
  American leaders entrusted the Treasury Department to create a productive detail for the president and
• 1:18:27
  other high ranking officials. The Secret Service became the central role in American democracy,
• 1:18:31
  which, if operated effectively, safeguard's lawful elections. If assassins cannot remove
• 1:18:36
  officials via illegal means, they cannot affect the democratic will of the US public.
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  I respect the idea of the Secret Service as an institution because in many
• 1:18:45
  instances it's comprised of people who dedicate their lives to potentially sacrificing themselves for America's
• 1:18:50
  defense. However, they are just human beings, and everyone can make errors,
• 1:18:57
  and some can be incompetent in the execution their duties. While the secrets,
• 1:19:01
  I'm sure, especially why you got the B team on it. Yep,
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  this McCarthy. Yeah, yeah. So while the Secret Service regarding the
• 1:19:13
  Trump assassination attempt was proactive at least once by prior warning the campaign's officials that
• 1:19:17
  outdoor events were not recommended due to increased security risks, that is about all
• 1:19:24
  they did beforehand that seems for active. Beyond that warning, it appears their
• 1:19:28
  conduct on the day in question was severely lacking. Their failures are obviously a
• 1:19:31
  factor in the shooting, and it's not quite glaring that officials did not have
• 1:19:35
  control of the event's location or had even secured all the buildings within one hundred
• 1:19:40
  and sixty yards. The Secret Service leadership deserved significant blame for some of the
• 1:19:45
  events of the day. Reportedly, local police had already told the Secret Service
• 1:19:48
  before they quote lacked the resources to station a patrol car outside a key building
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  which just happened to be the shooter's firing position. The event should have been
• 1:20:00
  canceled if security could not be assured, and it seemingly could not. Despite
• 1:20:04
  the problems officials were aware of, it appears they remained confident in their ability
• 1:20:09
  to deal with any situation, but the facts reveal that also is not true.
• 1:20:15
  Officials especially, are enabled to grant reasonable protection if they do not are
• 1:20:18
  understaffed or don't coordinate effectively with local law enforcement by using all of its resources
• 1:20:24
  to maximum effect. Former New York Police detective Patrick Brosnan operates a security firm
• 1:20:30
  that protects heads of state and trained with the US Secret Service. He suggested,
• 1:20:34
  quote a building that close to the stage should have been secured and under
• 1:20:39
  surveillance from the start. After these events, I would hope the requisite distance
• 1:20:44
  of security control for outdoor events is at least five hundred yards or greater,
• 1:20:48
  and it might be safer to keep most gathering indoors. Every president that has
• 1:20:53
  been assassinated in US history was in a public setting without enough security controls.
• 1:20:58
  From Abraham Lincoln to John F. Kennedy, We've lost four American presidents to
• 1:21:02
  assassination, and each generation that endured it was gripped for a time by the
• 1:21:06
  resulting chaos and despair. It's not just the loss of a popular high official,
• 1:21:11
  but the undoing of our democratic process by violence that renders the greatest damage.
• 1:21:15
  When security officials failed to protect our leaders, they must be held to
• 1:21:19
  account. Additionally, those familiar with the service and its history should not be
• 1:21:25
  surprised their performance was lackluster. Who might consider the Kennedy case, and that
• 1:21:30
  mattered the Secret Services not drinking in strip clubs until just hours before they were
• 1:21:33
  supposed to protect America's president. Decades of supposed reform have a little effect,
• 1:21:39
  and the Secret Service has been caught up in other embarrassing circumstances, such as
• 1:21:42
  when the Obama administration Secret Service agents partied with prostitutes amid a Colombian diplomatic visit.
• 1:21:47
  Needless to say, the Secret Services had a mixed history regarding performance issues.
• 1:21:55
  The Reagan assassination Carmine Ford, Oh yeah, I think you know.
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  They did a pretty good job there with Reagan. You know this again,
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  I kind of equated to you know, not not only was Reagan a politician,
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  but he was a beloved uh you know, actor, known you know,
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  governor of California before that. I mean, this is a well known,
• 1:22:19
  well liked guy who who came back from his injury, you know,
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  and I think was able to you know, he re elected for a second
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  term because of it. You know, I think that you know, the
• 1:22:32
  country kind of rallied behind this guy. And because I mean I grew up
• 1:22:36
  in the Reagan era and I remember when this happened, and you know,
• 1:22:41
  he was viewed as like, you know, this this tough, superman type
• 1:22:44
  guy. I still remember the joke he made a joke to his doctors before
• 1:22:49
  they were about to operate on to take out the bullet. He said,
• 1:22:51
  you're all Republican, right right, you know, you can't beat this guy.
• 1:22:57
  I mean, I mean, yeah, he was. He was definitely
• 1:23:00
  a talker, yea. And yeah, it's like when when that balloon popped
• 1:23:08
  and he goes miss me. I think there was six months after. Yeah,
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  it's just that type of mentality, and I don't fearlessness like it's just
• 1:23:21
  oh, miss me, like didn't even flinch and having been shot not long
• 1:23:29
  before. Yeah, it is very similar, I have to say. And
• 1:23:32
  whether you like Trump or not, And this is not a political podcast.
• 1:23:36
  We said that when Robert and I did our show earlier in the week.
• 1:23:41
  Uh, you can't deny that that photo is going down in political history,
• 1:23:47
  like whatever side you let your you fall on, Like, that's just what
• 1:23:53
  it is. And it's like trying to deny that it was an assassination attempt,
• 1:23:58
  trying to deny that future. Yeah, you know, and I hope
• 1:24:02
  they Yeah. So, according to multiple news sources, the Secret Service was
• 1:24:08
  aware of crooks in the grounds at least twenty six minutes to an hour before
• 1:24:11
  the shot was fired. Because he was seen with a backpack and rangefinder roughly
• 1:24:15
  ten minutes before the shooting commenced, the Secret Service began finally to view the
• 1:24:18
  suspect as a threat. The sloping AGR building roof, which the suspect would
• 1:24:24
  eventually use to undertake his attack, was considered unsafe by officials, and this
• 1:24:28
  was among the excuses why no person was positioned on it. Sloping roof I've
• 1:24:33
  ever seen in my life. Yeah, Pennsylvania State Police and local Butler Township
• 1:24:40
  law enforcement noted they provided dozens of police officers, but they also state not
• 1:24:45
  being responsible for areas outside the security perimeter set by Secret Service. The director
• 1:24:49
  of the Secret Service, Kimberly Cheatle, however, countered that local police were
• 1:24:54
  in the building on which crooks positioned themselves in the ladder, yet at least
• 1:24:58
  they attempted to apprehend the on men after copious reasons would indicate he was an
• 1:25:03
  eminent threat. Following the repeated series of Otter failures, multiple Biden administration leaders,
• 1:25:10
  including the Director of Homeland Security, express total support for the Secret Service
• 1:25:15
  and its director. Similar to the Kennedy case, the Secret Service and administration
• 1:25:18
  are conducting damage control to limit the political fallout during an election cycle. My
• 1:25:25
  question is, how can you express full confidence in a group whose leader that
• 1:25:29
  just allowed the first president in decades to be hit by gunfire. It would
• 1:25:32
  seem the message is they fully support incompetence. Yeah, she should have been
• 1:25:41
  immediately fired, just like just like Rowley back in the day should have gotten
• 1:25:45
  it too. The Secret Service under Kennedy should have gotten it just just as
• 1:25:48
  quickly. Exactly I mean of course the circumstances are totally different. Yeah,
• 1:25:54
  but somebody's gotta somebody help. Somebody screwed up, so it's up to and
• 1:26:01
  someone was in charge. So uh, I'm sorry, lady, but yeah,
• 1:26:09
  you know, trumping a bag of Cheetos or whatever she was doing before.
• 1:26:15
  There's even though people say it looks like a cheeto. Well, and
• 1:26:17
  it's just so mindless to say, we fully support they screwed up. So
• 1:26:21
  you support them screwing up? Great, you know, that's that's a great
• 1:26:25
  message to delivery. We support everybody. Yeah, official, you know,
• 1:26:29
  they utterly failed and they don't deserve confidence in their abilities to perform basic security
• 1:26:34
  until Jurassic changes are made, you know. Otherwise the same people are gonna
• 1:26:40
  make the same mistakes, and next time we might not be so lucky.
• 1:26:42
  You know, it could have easily been him at some point, and I
• 1:26:46
  you know, if I if I saw that happen and I'm the president,
• 1:26:50
  she's fired. Well, she's fired, and whoever her direct underlings, the
• 1:26:55
  ones who are supposed to set up the security, get it as well.
• 1:26:59
  Yeah, all three of them get fired, you know, And like what
• 1:27:03
  we did with all his agents right after the assassination if people got reassigned,
• 1:27:09
  punished, and fired. Yeah, like twenty people. Yeah, because they
• 1:27:13
  couldn't do what they're supposed to and it went from the top to the bottom.
• 1:27:16
  So and I'm sure it happened in other agents, is yeah exactly.
• 1:27:23
  He's like, I'm not getting plain for this. Yeah. So one of
• 1:27:30
  the things that the press seemingly like an amnesia victim is having a problem with,
• 1:27:36
  is developing a motive. They keep acting like the motive of this shooter
• 1:27:41
  is just unthinkable and unknowable, and somehow we have to, you know,
• 1:27:45
  really keep looking for a long time until we can come to some sort of
• 1:27:47
  possible motive. Well, I have a possible and I think it's based on
• 1:27:53
  the facts and what we know so far. That so, the quite embarrassing
• 1:27:59
  ban of Thomas So that was something I forgot to mention. So not only
• 1:28:02
  was he not allowed on the school team, he was told not to come
• 1:28:05
  back for preseason the next year. Two. That's how bad a shot he
• 1:28:11
  was. That's pretty that's pretty cruel considering that you could practice, but they
• 1:28:17
  didn't think he could practice to be good. That's pretty damn bad man.
• 1:28:23
  Yeah, So I think that that that embarrassing band from the high school rifle
• 1:28:30
  team and whatever. You know, whether it was as bad as someone is
• 1:28:35
  to say he was bullied or whether it was just a minor amount of bullying
• 1:28:39
  that occurred people mentioning it. Let's just say even if they joked about it,
• 1:28:44
  if they were his friends, they're like, hey, you're still suck
• 1:28:45
  at shooting. Like, I mean, no matter where you're getting it from,
• 1:28:51
  it's going to bother you. It's going to bother you that you are
• 1:28:55
  known as the worst shot in tom That's that's almost like a song, like
• 1:29:00
  someone could write a song about someone who was the word shutting. Well that
• 1:29:04
  viewpoint. Yeah, I saw a clip out there at some point this week,
• 1:29:09
  and I forget I didn't save it when I saw it, but apparently
• 1:29:13
  there was a clip of this guy like losing his mind at it looked like
• 1:29:18
  a political rally on a campus somewhere. I saw that rob and he was
• 1:29:23
  like screaming at the top of his lungs and shaking and ship you know,
• 1:29:27
  like, yeah, I'm not sure if that was him, it was someone
• 1:29:30
  that it could have been him. I don't know. I don't know either.
• 1:29:34
  I don't know, but that that dude, whoever that was, is
• 1:29:38
  unhinged. Well, I think I think this was an internal mental thing.
• 1:29:44
  I think that this was he obsessed on you know, like I said,
• 1:29:46
  he's an engineer, and if you look at engineers, they might like to
• 1:29:49
  admit this. But being a bit obsessed with myself, I understand if you
• 1:29:55
  look at engineers are usually very the very detail oriented. They like the intricacies
• 1:30:00
  of everything that he didn't know every little detail, every little measurement. And
• 1:30:04
  he had an engineering degree from the community college, so he at least had
• 1:30:09
  a basic engineering understanding. So over and over in his mind, this failure
• 1:30:15
  is just hanging there for years, and what does he do. As soon
• 1:30:17
  as he graduates, He begins to practice with a rifle. He spends a
• 1:30:21
  year at the gun club, regularly practicing what he is not going to be
• 1:30:26
  the worst shot anymore. So I think that that began. You're right,
• 1:30:31
  lots of people don't have friends, and lots of people do get bullied.
• 1:30:34
  It's not an excuse, You're absolutely one hundred percent right. It's not no,
• 1:30:41
  but it is how people. It's how monsters are made. Monsters don't
• 1:30:45
  just come out of the woodwork, right, there's a lot of other factors
• 1:30:47
  involved, but yeah, him, the friends he had, the enemies he
• 1:30:53
  had. Yeah, it was it was a perfect storm, so to speak.
• 1:30:56
  But it's a lot of easier to make one of these in modern times
• 1:31:01
  than it was in the sixties. Oswald and people like considered an assassin core
• 1:31:06
  aberrations. We're seeing school shootings almost weekly. Yeah, we don't need to
• 1:31:12
  see political shootings almost weekly. So we certainly need to do something. We
• 1:31:15
  can't just sit back and watch it continue. Yeah. Absolutely, And there
• 1:31:20
  are a lot of similarities between the alleged bullying, whether he was bullied or
• 1:31:27
  not. Yeah, and uh, and just when you look at school shooters
• 1:31:31
  in general, I mean all of them from Columbi none, Yeah, all
• 1:31:39
  of them are nonconformists. Well, here you go, right, here you
• 1:31:44
  go. I saw this too, and it's a good it's a good time
• 1:31:46
  to bring it up. Yeah the caption. Does anyone know why they aren't
• 1:31:54
  showing this on the mainstream media because it could be a It's probably a fake
• 1:32:00
  because of the next thing. That's how you can tell a fake photo is
• 1:32:02
  there's usually a collar or something to separate the neck from the face so that
• 1:32:06
  they can just post it onto something else. That's probably why it's not next
• 1:32:13
  to long. It looks like a giraffe. Look look at the size of
• 1:32:16
  the well, I know, but look at the sides of the but look
• 1:32:19
  at the neck like it's like the head was shoved. It's not even the
• 1:32:23
  right angle of the face. Yeah, I see what I'm saying. It's
• 1:32:27
  almost like they took and they just put it on. And Guys, I
• 1:32:31
  think that's a really good point because you like, just the deep fake community
• 1:32:41
  is going to have, you know, loads of things to do with this.
• 1:32:44
  They're going to create so many different fakes, oh for sure. And
• 1:32:46
  the the uh you know today and I've been following following this on x for
• 1:32:58
  since it happened. The alleged FBI assistant director that was allegedly in the crowd
• 1:33:10
  and taking pictures kind of like the Babushka lady. Right, they're already trying
• 1:33:15
  to find mysterious figures that nobody about yet. And uh, it's and they
• 1:33:21
  tried to say that it was like an assistant director of the FBI. I
• 1:33:26
  guess like a couple under ray, like George H. W. Bush being
• 1:33:30
  in Daily Plaza. That's it's exactly like that, and all you know,
• 1:33:36
  a lot of the Republican accounts like pick it up and be like, oh,
• 1:33:41
  it could be it could be her, blah blah blah. Well,
• 1:33:43
  I've got something real quick on that note as well, And maybe it's a
• 1:33:46
  myth that we can try to bust here, but I don't know. It's
• 1:33:48
  pretty good, okay, So let me show you guys something real quick.
• 1:33:54
  And I don't know if there's any sound associated with this or not. There
• 1:34:00
  there was originally, so let me let's try to play it here and uh,
• 1:34:08
  I'll get your guys thoughts. She's not even freaking the funk out.
• 1:34:14
  What the fuck this ship? Dude? Watch Watch she sits down. Watch
• 1:34:19
  if you want to put the sign up, take a look at what happened.
• 1:34:26
  She's completely normal. And then watch and then what the fuck? What
• 1:34:31
  the fuck? People are freaking out and she's just like right there, she's
• 1:34:40
  not even Now what's interesting about this clip? Okay, this this person sitting
• 1:34:46
  back there, the lady with the hat and the glasses. Uh huh.
• 1:34:49
  They're trying to say that it's this woman associated Assistant director of the FBI,
• 1:34:55
  Janine di Giuseppe Joe there's your Italian. Hey, hey, you're Carmine too,
• 1:35:01
  you were Tis. Yeah, so you know this is the I gotta
• 1:35:05
  I gotta set up a little more so you can see the whole shirt now
• 1:35:09
  you know I'm an Italian. Is she trying to take it as a prouder
• 1:35:13
  film of this thing? Oh? Yeah, Oh I think lady type thing
• 1:35:17
  because it's the film. Yeah. Oh wow, that was nice. That's
• 1:35:25
  very nice, Rob. Yeah. I mean the question is, is this
• 1:35:28
  woman the assistant director of the FBI? People in disguise? I don't think
• 1:35:34
  who knows. I mean it's possible people aren't aren't participating in ops themselves,
• 1:35:42
  and if they are, exactly it's just smart intelligent. As we've just it
• 1:35:47
  doesn't vibe with any intelligent but many intelligence figures like were legs to be in
• 1:35:53
  deal Plaid watch the show and none of them were, not a single one
• 1:36:00
  the famous ones that have collected. But that's just something that we can compare
• 1:36:03
  to the assassination. Is these theories that come out like this, Now,
• 1:36:09
  is this woman suspect? Yeah? Yeah, I mean because it looked like
• 1:36:14
  when she put she put that card up and she put it over her mouth
• 1:36:16
  like and could have possibly said something and then then the next instant Trump shot.
• 1:36:23
  So I can see where people, you know, put a conspiracy theory
• 1:36:26
  together behind this little piece of film. But you can never I would Yeah,
• 1:36:32
  you can never prove it unless you figure out who this woman is.
• 1:36:34
  I mean exactly saw. You can never prove it. So it's just I
• 1:36:40
  would also say, just on the on the side of reason, that every
• 1:36:45
  person now takes pictures of everything from food to people going past them on the
• 1:36:50
  street. So this is one of the most important historical moments. Yeah,
• 1:36:57
  I have a feeling during people's cameras that didn't care about it shot. They
• 1:37:00
  wanted to get They wanted to capture what was going on. They were more
• 1:37:02
  interested than selling the Do you know how many people have dunked themselves off in
• 1:37:06
  the in the in the vein of getting you know, a selfie somewhere,
• 1:37:13
  or you know, falling off. I've heard about the Rocky Mountains, multiple
• 1:37:16
  people. Yeah, just falling off, ye, trying to get the perfect
• 1:37:20
  shout yeah, exactly exactly and ended up killing themselves in the process. So
• 1:37:26
  yeah, it's not out of the remo possibility. There's just a random person
• 1:37:29
  Trump supporter who you know, wasn't phased by all the commotion and pulled their
• 1:37:32
  phone out because that's what you do well. And if you notice, that
• 1:37:35
  was one of the things Trump and others complimented the crowd on was not freaking
• 1:37:39
  out because there were gun people. Yeah, because it was a heavy hunting
• 1:37:43
  area. They were used to the sound of firearms. They didn't have happened
• 1:37:46
  at a Biden event. You might have seen some real kaos. I mean
• 1:37:50
  it's in you know, something like this, You know, just about everybody's
• 1:37:54
  going to have their phone out. Yeah, I just why I'm surprised we
• 1:37:58
  don't have a thousand video this. Well, they could have been confiscated and
• 1:38:04
  uh Carmine, Rob and I and when we did our kind of initial thoughts
• 1:38:11
  show earlier in the week, we were like, does I heard a lot
• 1:38:18
  of I wouldn't testimony, being like, oh, I thought it was fireworks
• 1:38:25
  at first, right, and you know where that computes, right, exactly?
• 1:38:30
  Everyone deal. So Rob and I were like, what's up with this?
• 1:38:34
  This is just like a like a psychological I can't put into my mind
• 1:38:41
  what is happening. So I'm gonna say it's fireworks instead of well, I
• 1:38:46
  mean, if you want to look at it from that, and we're totally
• 1:38:49
  theorizing, but I think that I think that it's a psychological Maybe it's a
• 1:38:55
  psychological defense mechanism denial. Maybe, Yeah, they don't want to accept that
• 1:39:00
  new gunshot. Maybe someone's like, now and it's a rally, So fireworks
• 1:39:04
  were possible, you know, it's not like it's not out of the realm
• 1:39:08
  of possibility. So but you know, once they yeah, I and that
• 1:39:13
  is Yeah, that seems to happen. Yeah, yeah, the uh,
• 1:39:16
  I have two more things than whatever the uh. I was just gonna say,
• 1:39:24
  so, I given possible motive. Now, let me knock down the
• 1:39:29
  political motives that people keep trying to offer us, because there is no clear
• 1:39:32
  evidence for him. So he's a registered Republican in his state, but he
• 1:39:38
  also donated to a liberal political group in the course of twenty twenty one.
• 1:39:41
  From this, we cannot reasonably deduce it was political motivation that guided him or
• 1:39:45
  even played a major role no manifesto as well. He could have been a
• 1:39:49
  throwback Republican old guard that deemed Trump must be stopped, or a leftist that
• 1:39:54
  had planned to eliminate a person. Many in that wing of politics. Call
• 1:39:57
  an existential threat. Yet he was not really involved in political events or promoting
• 1:40:01
  a party, and no, you know, details of a man he hadn't
• 1:40:06
  even voted yet. He's twenty years old, folks. Yeah, he hadn't
• 1:40:10
  been able to vote any presidential election yet. So with he, you know,
• 1:40:14
  he didn't claim to strike a blow for any party or any group.
• 1:40:16
  So you know, this is a This is a personal motive. So that's
• 1:40:21
  why I think that that was the motive I've offered, is a possibility,
• 1:40:27
  because I think he looked personally induced. So the explosives in his car feasibly
• 1:40:30
  were to either provide him a distraction of escape, or he was committed to
• 1:40:33
  dining at the scene and would destroy his car, the gas station, those
• 1:40:38
  around it. And when evidence remained his premeditation of targeting Trump supports. He
• 1:40:42
  was certainly against anti Trump, and the prominence of Trump as a figure would
• 1:40:48
  garner anyone who shot him endless historical infamy. This person was best known in
• 1:40:54
  high school for being the worst shot most had ever witnessed, and perhaps he
• 1:40:57
  desired to fire a shot that would forever change the world. He failed.
• 1:41:00
  We're all better off for it. I don't think any reasonable person wants to
• 1:41:03
  live in a country where assassins determine the future. And one last note I'd
• 1:41:10
  like to make that I'm finally, much like the lapses of security, Roughly
• 1:41:15
  two days following the attack on Trump, the Biden administration finally granted Robert F.
• 1:41:19
  Kennedy Junior Secret Service protection that he had been requesting for months. It
• 1:41:27
  is not surprising it took a complete failure of security to finally push officials to
• 1:41:32
  do the proper thing, considering RFK Junior's family history with the political assassinations.
• 1:41:39
  Yeah, let's just hope they don't give him the G team. Yeah,
• 1:41:42
  good lord, But at least he's got at least there'll be one person trying
• 1:41:46
  to no one because but I mean, he can afford his own, you
• 1:41:50
  know, arm And I'm sure he does, I'm sure, but they can
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  only do so much. Why would you want protection? Oh at this point,
• 1:41:59
  yeah, you might want to, just like you might not want it
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  until they replaced a few people. Oh my gosh. Yeah, that's just
• 1:42:11
  what struck me. I mean, there were certainly tons of security mistakes on
• 1:42:16
  you know, the day of the ken of the assassination. But let me
• 1:42:19
  show you guys, something else that was a motor cade. It's not like
• 1:42:21
  he was going to be there for a long amount of time, right,
• 1:42:25
  And it was a perimeter. Trump wasn't pacing back and forth on the stage
• 1:42:31
  a moving target. But let me show you, guys something else interesting.
• 1:42:34
  I came across this week, and I don't know what to make of it
• 1:42:38
  exactly, so I don't see what you guys think. So apparently update Trump
• 1:42:47
  assassination attempt. Here we go. Audio forensics confirm at least three separate weapons
• 1:42:53
  were fired in the assassination attempt. The first three shots are consistent in sound
• 1:42:58
  and distance bullet echo. The next group of five shots are clearly from different
• 1:43:02
  weapons. The six shot even sounds different from than the shots. The last
• 1:43:08
  shot is reportedly the sniper who took crooks out, and apparently CNN oddly confirms
• 1:43:14
  this through their own forensic analysis. What do you guys think about that?
• 1:43:21
  The problem is is they tried to do this back with the hostile I committing
• 1:43:25
  and assassinations and it fell apart. But this place is no echo chamber like
• 1:43:30
  Dearly Plaza. No. I just means why the problem with sound forensic analysis
• 1:43:36
  is every person can hear something different. True, So there's no definitive way
• 1:43:43
  to say that this proves that there were multiple shooters. It's kind of like
• 1:43:46
  what like what they tried the past, You know, I can't believe how
• 1:43:49
  similar some of the stuff that is not here. Here's how this happens,
• 1:43:55
  Carl Man. Here's how this happens. So this is a picture of someone
• 1:43:59
  else else being arrested right after the assassination attempt. This guy's on his knees.
• 1:44:08
  He is being handcuffed behind his back by a Secret Service police officer as
• 1:44:13
  bystanders stand by and watch. This is not crooks. The question is why
• 1:44:19
  why is this guy being arrested? And then I also saw something about this
• 1:44:26
  the water tower that I pointed out in the last show that was behind the
• 1:44:31
  buildings, that would have provided you know, a much better vantage point.
• 1:44:36
  Yeah, that when you zoom in on certain shots of this that you could
• 1:44:42
  see something up on the water tower that and then after the Trump shooting,
• 1:44:45
  you could not possibly implying like the black little I don't want to say blob,
• 1:44:51
  but once we can get some evidence, it's possible all of this.
• 1:44:57
  See, the problem is all this, like we've dealt with before and all,
• 1:45:01
  this is possible, but until we have some part evidence, this is
• 1:45:04
  how the conspiracy theories start. You see somebody else getting arrested. People think
• 1:45:09
  this guy had to have help, He couldn't have done this alone alone.
• 1:45:12
  Yeah, well somebody else actually doing the shooting. Yeah, or were there
• 1:45:16
  two shooters? And and and with Oswald there was actually a reason because there
• 1:45:20
  were so many problems with their story and because they changed it so often now
• 1:45:26
  they've held it so close to the because they don't want this to turn into
• 1:45:29
  JFK. They don't they don't want this to be another historical conspiracy mongering,
• 1:45:33
  you know what I mean, like where people will try to and it's as
• 1:45:36
  we saw the next day. I remember I told you earlier, Like the
• 1:45:40
  next day I started to see the first myths of you know came out.
• 1:45:45
  Well, people are going to try to monetize, They're going to try to
• 1:45:47
  get attention, They're going to try to use this to maximize their fameer in
• 1:45:51
  for me in some cases. But now everybody's an expert on Twitter and YouTube,
• 1:45:56
  everybody show show you know, like like you said about FFing around and
• 1:46:01
  finding out until they're an expert, until they meet one. But unfortunately some
• 1:46:09
  of these people now they have hundreds of thousands of flowers. Yeah, we're
• 1:46:14
  sitting here preaching facts to thirty two people live. You know, if we
• 1:46:18
  had a giant, I'll take those reasonable people over a thousand crazy Amen.
• 1:46:29
  Fucking Yeah. We love our We love our loyal listeners. You know they
• 1:46:35
  We have a great time every time we go live with these guys and interacting
• 1:46:40
  with them. And uh, I can tell that you know that they come
• 1:46:43
  back every week, scot you know the single ladder theory. You know,
• 1:46:48
  you can't these guys away. These got got great you know, we love
• 1:46:56
  them. I'd rather have this tight knit community than like you said, you
• 1:47:00
  know, I'm preaching it three thousand people. And then you turn into the
• 1:47:03
  detached people that you like to joke about in your intro. You turn into
• 1:47:10
  those people because you become so detached and away from the actual facts that you
• 1:47:15
  just say whatever the hell you want, thinking that it's the truth when we
• 1:47:17
  can obviously prove that it's not. Yes, yeah, all right, Joe,
• 1:47:25
  do you have anything you want to get into there? Bud Well,
• 1:47:28
  I just want to like talk about the disinformation, like the uh, the
• 1:47:33
  FBI agent was the Bushka lady type of thing. I mean, they're like
• 1:47:39
  Carmran said, there are so many. Uh he's fa I was gonna say,
• 1:47:44
  quick famous one that you guys can look up. That's funny. John
• 1:47:46
  Liguizamo, speaking of people who think they're experts, decided to jump into the
• 1:47:50
  Trump assassination attempt to arena and he put up a picture of Trump and said,
• 1:47:56
  look, not a scratch. And then, of course people on x
• 1:48:02
  doug and found out that the picture was from twenty twenty two and Genius had
• 1:48:08
  apparently not done much research put it or was he just trolling people just you
• 1:48:13
  know, well he got it for it. Either way, they ratioed him
• 1:48:16
  rather well, I wonder how many people I can piss off by posting this,
• 1:48:20
  Oh just looking like a moron. Yeah, and there he's got.
• 1:48:26
  He's got. I don't care money, so you know you better. I
• 1:48:30
  don't think he's going to be gett any casting jobs. After that, he
• 1:48:33
  said for life, bro, Yeah, And uh so I have a friend
• 1:48:38
  who is like, not big in the JFK assassination, but one of my
• 1:48:43
  best friends in life. And he asked the question, do you Animata,
• 1:48:47
  do you think the director of the Secret Service will keep her job. Not
• 1:48:51
  sure if you toucked on this yet tuning them late Beni Matta the fourth Yeah,
• 1:48:58
  she shouldn't. She should be fired. She should whoever set up that
• 1:49:01
  security perimeter should be Yeah, and that's what we said in our first in
• 1:49:09
  our life about this, and hopefully there will be a congressional investigation into this.
• 1:49:17
  Already called her. Not all Biden to fire her because he won't.
• 1:49:21
  Oh yeah, the Republican senators actually chasing her asking questions because allegedly on the
• 1:49:30
  call with the senators, they were only answering democratic questions. They weren't talking
• 1:49:38
  or letting the Republicans speak. So that that's why that crazy scene happened when
• 1:49:45
  she kind of walked out, the Republicans didn't get a chance to ask a
• 1:49:50
  question. Again, not a political thing, that's what I heard. Oh
• 1:49:55
  no, I read a report that that describes similar circumstances. What both of
• 1:50:00
  the parties need to realize that if you do this, the pendulum swings.
• 1:50:05
  For the last eight years, the pendulum swing left. Guess what it swings
• 1:50:12
  back now, and events like this make it swing harder. So you know,
• 1:50:19
  people can keep obstructing reasonable questions, and people can keep for you know,
• 1:50:25
  using political motivations to make excuses like I said about mayork Is saying that
• 1:50:29
  he had total confidence in them after they utterly failed. You know, you
• 1:50:32
  can only lie to the You can't lie to all the people all the time.
• 1:50:38
  You can lie to some of the people, but you can't lie to
• 1:50:41
  all of them because some of us, I'm sorry, are just a little
• 1:50:44
  too smart. We're just a bit too smart to take your word because you've
• 1:50:48
  screwed up and lied so many times. Yes, we have dealt with a
• 1:50:53
  lot of Secret Service shenanigans. I mean, you can go back to JFK,
• 1:50:57
  you can even go up to J six. They deleted a ton of
• 1:51:00
  records. And again this is not like I told you. As you know,
• 1:51:05
  recent is Obama. They're getting busted. They're supposed to be protecting the
• 1:51:10
  president, and they're out hanging out drinking with prostitutes. Okay, this is
• 1:51:14
  in the two thousand, This is like twenty thirteen. This isn't that long
• 1:51:16
  ago. We're not We're talking about just JFK that was when. Yeah,
• 1:51:21
  exactly. It appears that the training is still the training. So what I'd
• 1:51:29
  love to know is what did she and all of her secret service agency the
• 1:51:31
  night before? Did they go out drinking? Did they go did some of
• 1:51:36
  the guys go hang out at strip clubs? And staff too late? Just
• 1:51:39
  like in JFK. You know why was every was everyone a little roggy the
• 1:51:43
  next day? Because that affects your performance? You know, they can say
• 1:51:47
  whatever they want. Well, we're professionals, you know we well apparently not
• 1:51:51
  very If one year old kid cannot smart all of you, it's crazy,
• 1:52:00
  it's insane. Yeah, I mean that's how insane. It's insane that Lee
• 1:52:06
  Harvey Oswald was twenty four, This kid was twenty How young do they have
• 1:52:12
  to be until you can outsmart them? And Lee Hervey ossl was you know,
• 1:52:17
  married winningly. Part of the false effector program obviously went through the the
• 1:52:27
  Finland went through the most advantageous point on the way in right that was opened
• 1:52:32
  a few days before. I mean, this guy is nowhere, never close.
• 1:52:38
  He had no traveled. I mean no, he is a perfect and
• 1:52:42
  that that's why I think he s he was because he was totally focused.
• 1:52:45
  He was totally obsessed hit one goal and that goal was going to be He
• 1:52:50
  was gonna be remembered forever, and it wasn't going to be as the worship,
• 1:52:56
  and this provided him with a perfect opportunity. And like I said,
• 1:52:59
  we're lucky. I don't want either. I said that. I think as
• 1:53:02
  far as back as Obama, I might have said this to Rob. I'm
• 1:53:04
  like, I don't want a president to die in my lifetime because I don't
• 1:53:08
  want them on stamps and coins and memorial days. And then I have to
• 1:53:13
  act like I because the probably what kills me is that people get so personally
• 1:53:18
  infested in Trump or Biden. You're never going to meet him. They don't
• 1:53:24
  care about they don't know you exist, So there's no reason to personally care
• 1:53:30
  about the people around you. You know, care about your family. Take
• 1:53:34
  everything in context, right yea, the politicians, and you know what,
• 1:53:41
  He showed strength and Biden, unfortunately as of late, has shown weakness.
• 1:53:45
  That's how politics works. And people that are complaining about it, sorry,
• 1:53:48
  but if you you don't win the game by trying to cheat, you don't
• 1:53:54
  win the game by killing your opponent. This isn't a war. This is
• 1:53:57
  politics. And when the game out of the coin car mine is okay,
• 1:54:02
  you know this kid was focused and all that, and he did it for
• 1:54:05
  this reason and that reason, or when you look at the entirety of this
• 1:54:13
  cluster f of everything that happened, is this some kind of deep state thing
• 1:54:18
  where this kid was the m k altred into doing this or it's by like
• 1:54:26
  a handler somehow. YEA, all that, all that is a possibility.
• 1:54:32
  But like I said, until we get in some of these files, all
• 1:54:38
  from what we know, from what we know now, like I said,
• 1:54:41
  he's the Warren Commission to dream, because this guy is so trackable his entire
• 1:54:49
  I mean, because he's so young, his whole history, and it's all
• 1:54:53
  occurred during the digital age, so you can find out nearly every detail you
• 1:54:56
  want to about him, except for like I said, the so social media,
• 1:55:00
  I think is another factor. He was avoiding social media, whether it
• 1:55:02
  was for privacy, whether it was to harassment, for whatever reason, he
• 1:55:06
  stayed off of social media. He kept a very low profile. That's what
• 1:55:10
  That's what an attempt to assess a smart one does. They keep a very
• 1:55:14
  low profile. People that use like the guy I work with, he created
• 1:55:21
  a fake Facebook account it's not him, with a fake picture of fake name
• 1:55:27
  that he uses to just yeah, you know, perused Facebook or you know,
• 1:55:31
  troll people online or whatever he does with it. I don't know exactly.
• 1:55:35
  And that's just a common person, just the average person doing that.
• 1:55:39
  So what the hell, you know what I mean? I mean, this
• 1:55:42
  guy could have added some kind of fake online presence. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:55:46
  you know, via whatever. I'm sure that he skulped about and looked.
• 1:55:50
  But I have a reason. There's got to be a reason he didn't interact.
• 1:55:55
  I mean, he was certainly cut off. He was he had come
• 1:55:59
  to the point to where he isolated himself. Ye had. They probably experienced
• 1:56:01
  isolation. And like I said, he grew up in the age of where
• 1:56:05
  one of the big problems and I think we're eventually as a society going to
• 1:56:10
  have to figure out a solution for it is. And they have a law
• 1:56:14
  called the Right to Forget, but it doesn't do anything. But people can't
• 1:56:16
  forget anymore. The Internet remembers everything. Every mistake, every misstep is remembered
• 1:56:26
  forever, and children are having to deal with it. You know, you
• 1:56:30
  hear about these cases of kids committing suicide because it's relentless, because you can't
• 1:56:34
  escape from the internet. Because one horrible thing caught on video that go for
• 1:56:40
  the rest of you. Think of the things we've done that we might have
• 1:56:43
  done perhaps in the past, thank god there were And you know what,
• 1:56:48
  I would have never taken a picture. I don't understand the need of people
• 1:56:53
  to document their crimes. It's not like we took a disposable camera with us
• 1:56:59
  everywhere. Hey, watch the team exactly, you know, right, So
• 1:57:03
  guys, before we close out, it's like you're making evidence for authorities.
• 1:57:09
  It's like here here for your case against there's pictures. So I want to
• 1:57:15
  ask one question. If social media and the kind of cell phone instant upload
• 1:57:25
  to the internet was available in nineteen sixty three in November, and we're going
• 1:57:30
  to end on this, would it be possible or more likely to figure out
• 1:57:36
  the JFKA if we were in the type of environment we were for this Trump
• 1:57:44
  assassination attempt as we were in November twenty second sixty three, I think the
• 1:57:50
  environments are almost it's sad to say this, but the environments were almost perfectly
• 1:57:56
  aligned. Look at nineteenth very similar. The country was torn very harshly.
• 1:58:03
  There were the politics started to get out of hand. People were getting violent.
• 1:58:08
  There were riots, you know, whether it was the far left or
• 1:58:11
  the far right, or it certainly increased where at least Evenson got spit on,
• 1:58:17
  where John Evan Johnson and his wife Lady Bird got hit by signs and
• 1:58:21
  stuff when they were going through Dallas. So I mean that, yeah,
• 1:58:26
  it's we're in an accelerating political and that's that's what, in a way frightens
• 1:58:30
  me, and I want us to be able to hopefully prevent there's going to
• 1:58:33
  be two more, probably because JFK, MLK, RFK within five years a
• 1:58:42
  cycle of political violence. Three major leaders removed. Trump's won, and the
• 1:58:47
  FBI has already warned about retaliatory. So it might be someone on the left,
• 1:58:51
  but it could be another person on the right. It could be Trump
• 1:58:54
  again, you don't know. But they need to increase security protocols. Certainly,
• 1:58:58
  they need to fire some people, and they need to get on the
• 1:59:00
  ball because this isn't going to be the last one, and they need to
• 1:59:02
  stop someone before they get one hundred rounds of ammunition an automatic rifle, a
• 1:59:10
  bulletproof vest an explosives detonator onto a building less than one hundred and sixty yards
• 1:59:15
  from a former president that there was a long path. He went on that
• 1:59:21
  he should have been stopped at multiple points and even the day off all the
• 1:59:26
  way to the day of absolutely one hundred, Sir and Joseph, is there
• 1:59:33
  anything else you want to answer? I am good, sir, Carmine.
• 1:59:38
  Well, I appreciate you guys having me back. I look forward to come
• 1:59:42
  to another show with you, and I hope people gotten some value from what
• 1:59:45
  we discussed, hopefully like Rob's knocked out some myths I've offered. Well,
• 1:59:49
  dude, it's always a pleasure to have you on. And if you enjoyed
• 1:59:53
  Carmine, check out the link below for all things Carmine. He's got books,
• 1:59:59
  he's got blog post, he's got research materials, and again we'll get
• 2:00:02
  all these sources posted up over on locals at some point for you to check
• 2:00:08
  out as well. And Carmine, thanks so much for joining us here on
• 2:00:11
  episode two and ninety nine, Holy crap of the Ligoing podcast. You know
• 2:00:16
  we'll coming next week, right yep? The Big Three to hh Yeah,
• 2:00:20
  Carmine, I'll have to talk to you off set because it's redacted. Row.
• 2:00:27
  Yes, he's not available for this conversation. That's right. Well,
• 2:00:33
  man, we had a fun, fun doing it. Sorry folks that we
• 2:00:38
  went a little long tonight, but hopefully enjoyed it. There's still a lot
• 2:00:42
  of people that's sticking around, so we appreciate you hanging out with us tonight.
• 2:00:45
  Thank you so much for the super chats. I think we missed one
• 2:00:48
  from John from the very beginning, So thank you John, thank you Colleen,
• 2:00:56
  thank you Scott. You know we appreciate it very much. Couldn't do
• 2:01:00
  this without you, guys, and join us next week for episode three hundred.
• 2:01:08
  Apparently Joe said it's gonna be special, so Rob is getting stripped of
• 2:01:13
  his audio possibilities. He's gonna be a skafuza just giving there listening to my
• 2:01:21
  outline and uh, it will be fun and I can't wait. I have
• 2:01:29
  to check it out again. Yeah, literally, a huge pleasure. Every
• 2:01:34
  time you come on, it's always a banger with Karma. Always you were
• 2:01:40
  You're one of the most just great and honest like logical researchers, and I
• 2:01:47
  respect you so much and thank you. I'll talk to you guys all right,
• 2:01:54
  folks. That's it first for this week for Carma and Sabastano, Joey
• 2:01:59
  Scars, Borrell, Don Henley, and your boy. The trip will be
• 2:02:03
  big, bad vibe. That's it for us, folks. Peace. This
• 2:02:16
  is where we danced Caromeo. This is the time of sprockets, when we
• 2:02:23
  did give you a little less grossman. Yes, let's say the lone gunman.
• 2:02:40
  What h is that one of your