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Has Serial Killer Dennis Rader Struck Again? Part 2 · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, Welcome back Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: Here is Dennis Raider, known as BTK bind Torture Kill,
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  Speaker 1: a serial killer now responsible for two more murders. I say,
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  Speaker 1: HG L Y E S. But we got to speak
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  Speaker 1: even more and in more depth with the sheriff. The
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  Speaker 1: sheriff who is credited with keeping this case alive and
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  Speaker 1: finding answers.
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  Speaker 2: Take a listen, sheriff, how do you go to sleep
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  Speaker 2: at night with this dancing through your brain?
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  Speaker 3: Well, let me tell you. My wife came in one
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  Speaker 3: thirty and said, you've got to get to sleep. You're
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  Speaker 3: going to kill yourself. Uh, but you know it's it's Nancy.
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  Speaker 3: I'm telling you with your experience, if you've seen I mean,
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  Speaker 3: we haven't even we haven't even touched the tip of
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  Speaker 3: the iceberg. In what I've looked. I've been eight months
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  Speaker 3: going through collecting, following up on and and the the information.
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  Speaker 3: If you looked at it, you you would be absolutely
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  Speaker 3: shocked and you you would know. I mean I I
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  Speaker 3: had a meeting and put together a slide, and I
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  Speaker 3: had the OSBI from Oklahoma, I had KBI from Kansas.
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  Speaker 3: I had numerous sheriffs from Kansas. I had the US
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  Speaker 3: Attorney's Office here, and I had the Oklahoma State Attorney
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  Speaker 3: General's office here. We figured the presentation we put together
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  Speaker 3: would last about two hours. We felt like it was
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  Speaker 3: very compelling and would show everyone, you know, the need
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  Speaker 3: for us to form some type of a task force
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  Speaker 3: and really dedicate the time that needed to be done
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  Speaker 3: on this case. That meeting ended up going the majority
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  Speaker 3: of everyone stayed for at least eight hours, some up
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  Speaker 3: to ten hours because of the significance of just the
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  Speaker 3: tip of the iceberg. And if you look at the
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  Speaker 3: things I mean, we went through his maps. James is
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  Speaker 3: an incredible person with more dedication than I can say.
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  Speaker 3: And again I'm dealing with day to day and I've
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  Speaker 3: kept James focused on this and he's in there going
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  Speaker 3: through stuff. He's he's made maps where and you know,
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  Speaker 3: we we have no idea how much other law enforcement
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  Speaker 3: has done because you know, we've only been accessing what
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  Speaker 3: we can access when we can get it. And we
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  Speaker 3: made a map of missing people or unsolved cases just
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  Speaker 3: off of the map that Dennis provided and then as
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  Speaker 3: we did as we did that, then we looked at
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  Speaker 3: at you know what the victims were wearing their description
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  Speaker 3: and compared them. He has got a ton of the
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  Speaker 3: of drawings and notations and letters and poems and and
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  Speaker 3: just unbelievable things. But going through that, we found you know,
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  Speaker 3: not only cases that that that matched his map, but
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  Speaker 3: but but other items that particularly show the description of
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  Speaker 3: the victim down to colors of their shirts, matching hair color, hairstyles.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it is it's it's unbelievable and uh, you
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  Speaker 3: know this thing is uh is really really amaze me
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  Speaker 3: of and disappointed me. You know, I was hoping when
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  Speaker 3: we find an ADT schedule and be able to really
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  Speaker 3: in and out, but we got one letter that says
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  Speaker 3: we don't have any records. H I mean, it goes
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  Speaker 3: on and on and on, but but you know it's
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  Speaker 3: just you know, like like there's an Oklahoma. I was
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  Speaker 3: telling you that that he talked about his senses time
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  Speaker 3: and and in his timeline it's the busiest time to
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  Speaker 3: his life, which he told me in person. You know,
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  Speaker 3: he couldn't be his self at home because he had
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  Speaker 3: to be the the church deacon and the dad and
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  Speaker 3: the husband and keep his his his his role as that.
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  Speaker 3: But then when he was out on the road he
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  Speaker 3: got to be BTK and have his hotel parties. He
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  Speaker 3: described breaking and enterings, prowling, window peeping, all all all
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  Speaker 3: over the Oklahoma Canus border.
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  Speaker 2: What do you mean by hotel parties? What hotel parties?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So some of the pictures that he made, he
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  Speaker 3: would again dress up, you know, in women's clothing, wigs, masks,
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  Speaker 3: and bondage and take his own pictures inside those hotels,
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  Speaker 3: like the one you showed where he was hanging in
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  Speaker 3: the tree. Yes, okay, we have located the spot. We've
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  Speaker 3: we've been with that sheriff's department. We've located a document
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  Speaker 3: that he made describing that day, everything he took, what
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  Speaker 3: he did when he created that, and that's a special
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  Speaker 3: area of his and that's an area that will be searched,
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  Speaker 3: you know, in the near future. Uh. One example, craziest
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  Speaker 3: thing I ever heard. I I actually brought that up
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  Speaker 3: to him, and you know what his response was, what
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  Speaker 3: he actually said this. He said, he said, well, well,
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  Speaker 3: if you find something there that that won't mean anything,
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  Speaker 3: because every killer used that spot.
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  Speaker 2: Unbelievable, unbelievable.
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  Speaker 3: And me, me and me and one of the guys
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  Speaker 3: that was with me after that conversation. You know, we're
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  Speaker 3: going back and I mean, it's just unbelievables. Like you know,
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  Speaker 3: we're we're picturing the john Wick Assassin Hotel.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: He said you would go to that, you trip over
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  Speaker 3: other killers, you know where you were trying to get
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  Speaker 3: your time in there. I mean, it's just insane. And
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  Speaker 3: you know, at that location we haven't released it. But
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  Speaker 3: in a silo we found a button to a blouse
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  Speaker 3: and the middle part had been torn off, so a
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  Speaker 3: shirt had been ripped open or torn which would cause
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  Speaker 3: that to break off. And there's no reason that we
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  Speaker 3: can think of for it to be in that location.
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  Speaker 3: Why a female would be inside of a silo and
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  Speaker 3: have something occurred in a grain silo that would cause
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  Speaker 3: her button to be ripped off of her shirt. So,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we've got so many things that that. But
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  Speaker 3: you can imagine, nobody in law enforcement wants to touch BTK. Now,
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  Speaker 3: you know, when I go in to talk to a sheriff,
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  Speaker 3: they you know a lot of times run plumb backwards
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  Speaker 3: because they don't want anything to do with that because
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  Speaker 3: of the baggage that comes along with this type of investigation.
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  Speaker 3: But my victim needs justice, and her family needs answers.
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  Speaker 3: And I met with her parents years ago, and I
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  Speaker 3: had done other things on this case, and I promise
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  Speaker 3: them if I got anything, I would follow up to
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  Speaker 3: the end of the earth to get those answers. I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to work McDonald County things. I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to work other things. I just want to find my girl.
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  Speaker 3: But you know how these cases are. It's again a
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  Speaker 3: domino effect. If I can get anything that's going to
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  Speaker 3: cause a chain of events that will will possibly reveal
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  Speaker 3: the location of my victim and get my case posed
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  Speaker 3: and my answers.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Sheriff, I'm just so so inspired that you are.
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  Speaker 2: You call these people the same thing I called my
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  Speaker 2: people my victims, And you know, I've never heard anybody
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  Speaker 2: else say that in my life beside me. When you
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  Speaker 2: say my victim, I mean, that tells me how much
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  Speaker 2: this means to you.
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  Speaker 3: Oh it does. And believe me, I won't stop off
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  Speaker 3: push as long and far as I can. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm quite certain at this point I probably made a
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  Speaker 3: lot of other law enforcement upset, you know. But but again,
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  Speaker 3: you've got to him. That's that's why you know, we
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  Speaker 3: we didn't release anything to me. The first time I
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  Speaker 3: talked to him, he called the reporter out of New
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  Speaker 3: York and they called me and I tried to talk him.
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  Speaker 3: You know, hey, you know this is just routine. There
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  Speaker 3: might not be any here. You know, I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to open wounds. But of course, you know, the story
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  Speaker 3: ran and caught some some buzz off that, but then
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  Speaker 3: died down, and we of course had continued. You know,
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  Speaker 3: we had done two prior digs at two different locations,
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  Speaker 3: one in Kansas, and we're lucky to not catch any
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  Speaker 3: attention on those. And you know, because it makes it
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  Speaker 3: easy to move around a lot of people when they
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  Speaker 3: see the media buzz, they don't want to talk to
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  Speaker 3: you because they're afraid. You know, they're going to walk
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  Speaker 3: out to get their mail and there's going to be
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  Speaker 3: fifteen different media outlets chasing around. Ask some questions. You know,
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  Speaker 3: when you run up and you know this because you've
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  Speaker 3: been there. You know, you take a little couple that's
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  Speaker 3: been through forty some years of misery, not knowing where
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  Speaker 3: their baby is, details wondering, you know, and they go
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  Speaker 3: to get their mail and somebody comes running up and says,
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  Speaker 3: how do you feel Nancy? You know how they're terrible.
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  Speaker 2: It's terrible, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, you don't even I mean, that's that's of course,
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  Speaker 3: that's where we live in today, you know, And that's
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  Speaker 3: why I try to push people, you know, to respect
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  Speaker 3: those families. And Carrie, Carrie is a phenomenal, phenomenal person.
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  Speaker 3: And Carrie is a true victim, just as she's as
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  Speaker 3: much of a victim as as the family members of
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  Speaker 3: the murdered people, and not just her but her whole family.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I've been fortunate enough to to to visit
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  Speaker 3: with one other family member, and I can tell you
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  Speaker 3: the pain and the hurt and the things they lived with.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, can you imagine, you know, you you have
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  Speaker 3: nothing to do with, no knowledge't didn't didn't have anything.
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  Speaker 3: But anytime you go anywhere, you're not you your bt
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  Speaker 3: k's brother, or your bt k's daughter, your bt k's son,
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  Speaker 3: or your bt k's wife. You know, if if if
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  Speaker 3: b t k's grandkids, you know, are in school and
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  Speaker 3: people find out, what what what are those other kids do?
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  Speaker 3: And then if they if they have friends and they say, hey,
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  Speaker 3: can I go over and stay the night there? What?
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 3: What has had the world's parents going to say, you
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  Speaker 3: see what I'm saying. I mean, people need to realize
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  Speaker 3: that that that that the suspects families are are more
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  Speaker 3: often than not.
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  Speaker 2: Have been through hell and the embarrassment and the shame
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  Speaker 2: attached to it much less. We know the guy's a
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  Speaker 2: serial killer. How do you think he treated them growing up?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Carrie told me how awful he was to
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  Speaker 2: live with. Can you even imagine?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely? But but it's it's harder on on Carrie
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  Speaker 3: and the family than it is on the victims' families
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  Speaker 3: because you know, when the victim's family goes somewhere, people
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  Speaker 3: have compassion because of what they went through. But but
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  Speaker 3: when when the suspects family goes places, you know, it's
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  Speaker 3: a whole different deal. They're they're they're they're shunned, they're
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  Speaker 3: talked about, they're whispered about, and and they're carrying a
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  Speaker 3: harder burder and people just really need I think.
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  Speaker 2: The victims family might disagree with you, because at.
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  Speaker 1: Least they're all alive.
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  Speaker 2: So it's that's a toss up who was You know,
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  Speaker 2: everybody suffered, everybody has suffered.
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  Speaker 3: I agree, don't don't don't get me wrong, I'm not
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  Speaker 3: downplaying that, But I'm saying victims' family has got compassion,
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  Speaker 3: where where somebody like Carrie. You know, Carrie has told
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  Speaker 3: me she plans on advocating for victims as many years
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  Speaker 3: as Dennis tormented society, just trying to clear their name
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  Speaker 3: and do good. Where somebody did that, you know, and
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  Speaker 3: you've got to admire somebody that's done that. I can
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  Speaker 3: tell you she has been a tremendous asset to us.
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  Speaker 3: And if you go back and look at some of
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  Speaker 3: her early releases when this information broke, when Dennis put
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  Speaker 3: it out, you know, I mean, she was like, I
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  Speaker 3: don't believe he did any of this. And then you know,
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  Speaker 3: through through time we ended up with her actually getting
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  Speaker 3: to see some of the information we got, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: she left here, I believe in a better position personally.
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  Speaker 3: But not only that, she revealed a lot of really
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  Speaker 3: really good information, because some of the notations, when you're
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  Speaker 3: looking at him as a person not knowing everything, it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't really make a whole lot of sense exactly. But
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  Speaker 3: if you go those items with her, she can bring
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  Speaker 3: them to life and fill in the gaps and make
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  Speaker 3: it make perfect sense. She's the only outwitness, so you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's tremendous, and you know, I would love to bring
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  Speaker 3: some experts in because you know, the more recognition that
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  Speaker 3: they have, the more credibility they have, the more crackh
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  Speaker 3: this is going to get that is going to get
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  Speaker 3: the investigation done that needs to be done. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you're aware of this or not,
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  Speaker 3: but Dennis talked for thirty hours basically, and lawyered up
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  Speaker 3: and then never never talked again. So the items collected
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  Speaker 3: in these search warrants, he was never interviewed, item to items,
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  Speaker 3: and I've had an offe opportunity to go through some
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  Speaker 3: of these items with him that he hadn't seen since
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  Speaker 3: his arrest. And you can imagine how that was. But
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  Speaker 3: trying to get questions, you know, I mean, it's you know,
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  Speaker 3: there's things he can't explain off at all. You know,
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  Speaker 3: he's got kidnappings marked, not murders, but kidnapping marked in
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  Speaker 3: a certain time period. And I have found letters from
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  Speaker 3: people claiming to be victims that match his timeline and
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  Speaker 3: we're in the process of running them down.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Sheriff All eyes on this investigation.
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  Speaker 1: Good Ques