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Sharri | 4 December · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the show.
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Speaker 3: I'm Danikiti Giorgio filling in tonight for Sharry Markson coming
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Speaker 3: up on the show. Liberal Party moderates spooked by the
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Speaker 3: term mass migration as Susan Lee prepares to unveil her
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Speaker 3: immigration policy. Are we ever going to be able to
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Speaker 3: have an adult debate in this country? Labor has no
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Speaker 3: idea again how much its net zero fantasy will cost
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Speaker 3: will show you the moment Treasury fumbles in.
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Speaker 2: Set at estimates.
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Speaker 3: Matt Canavan will rip in soon and just sin to
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Speaker 3: Allen's new apartment Levy, which has developers furious. Shadow Minister
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Speaker 3: for Housing in David Southwick will be on to explain
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Speaker 3: just how bad it is later on, but first tonight,
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Speaker 3: immigration is a hot button topic in this country and
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Speaker 3: it's about to really take off. Liberal leader Susan Lee
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Speaker 3: has again today promised to announce an immigration policy before Christmas.
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Speaker 4: But more importantly, we're just seeing pressure on infrastructure, on
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Speaker 4: the commute to work, on houses, on hospitals, on schools,
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Speaker 4: on our cities, and we need to address that and
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Speaker 4: bring that back into balance in a way that reassures
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Speaker 4: Australians as this government has not done that. There actually
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Speaker 4: is a plan.
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Speaker 2: Look fantastic.
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Speaker 3: It is great to hear that the coalition is finally
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Speaker 3: willing to have a discussion about this. You recall Peter
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Speaker 3: Dutton took a migration policy to the last election, but
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Speaker 3: it seemed to disappear into the never never, just like
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Speaker 3: the nuclear policy. But it can't just be about infrastructure
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Speaker 3: and the commute, even though these are of course related.
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Speaker 3: Values play a big and important part in the discussion.
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Speaker 3: Now there has already been talk about a values test
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Speaker 3: as part of the coalition policy, but it seems the
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Speaker 3: Liberal Party is already tearing itself.
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Speaker 2: Apart over what it would look like.
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Speaker 3: And Susan Lee has certainly been very careful to frame
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Speaker 3: immigration cuts in such a way that the left isn't
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Speaker 3: able to frame her as a racist.
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Speaker 4: That we will announce our migration principles before the end
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Speaker 4: of the year. It's not a criticism of any migrant
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Speaker 4: or migrant community. Is as a massive failing of governments
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Speaker 4: to build the infrastructure that our communities need, and they're
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Speaker 4: rightly concerned about that.
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Speaker 3: Now, look already that's a problem that is a precursor
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Speaker 3: of I'm not racist. Yes, we're going to come up
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Speaker 3: with a policy, but and it's that but that dogs
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Speaker 3: this conversation. We know it is not racist to have
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Speaker 3: an adult debate about migration.
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Speaker 2: But it isn't just the left. Susan Lee has to
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Speaker 2: look out for.
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Speaker 3: Moderates in her own party are warning that they won't
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Speaker 3: tolerate what they're calling a Hanson light policy that puts
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Speaker 3: the blame on migrants for the housing crisis. Now, an
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Speaker 3: unnamed coalition MP has already told nine newspapers that the
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Speaker 3: Nationals are obsessed with adopting the same intellectually corrupt views
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Speaker 3: on migration as Pauline Hanson, and at the moment the
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Speaker 3: Liberals are too obsessed with keeping the coalition together at
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Speaker 3: the cost of our integrity and in turn social cohesion.
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Speaker 3: But meanwhile, Liberal Senator Andrew McLaughlin has condemned the quote
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Speaker 3: inflammatory and irresponsible language being deployed. He says the repeated
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Speaker 3: use of the phrase mass migration to describe the rate
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Speaker 3: of immigration was not only technically inaccurate, but extremely unhelpful.
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Speaker 2: Well, what is unhelpful.
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Speaker 3: Is to actually dodge the topic of mass migration altogether.
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Speaker 3: Migration is not the issue. We are a nation of migrants.
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Speaker 3: Mass migration is the issue. The record number of people
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Speaker 3: labor has brought into this country and continues to do
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Speaker 3: so is the issue. The types of people labor has
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Speaker 3: brought in from countries whose values do not.
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Speaker 2: Align with ours is the issue.
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Speaker 3: The impact that mass migration has had on the cost
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Speaker 3: of living crisis, the housing crisis, the same issues. And
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Speaker 3: I think National Senator Bridget mackenzie summed it up very
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Speaker 3: well today.
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Speaker 5: It is time for us to have an respectful and
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Speaker 5: honest debate about what that looks like as a country
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Speaker 5: without calling each other racist. I think it's time we
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Speaker 5: need to discriminate on values. If you don't think that
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Speaker 5: a woman should be the prime minister in this country,
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Speaker 5: if you want to criminalize homosexuality, if you want to
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Speaker 5: burn our flag, if you don't subscribe to Judo Christian
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Speaker 5: values that underpin our institutions, like equality, freedom under equality
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Speaker 5: under law, freedom and compassion, then you should stay.
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Speaker 3: Where you are and look, she's right, I mean we
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Speaker 3: don't want you here if you don't respect our values yet.
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Speaker 3: Andrew McLaughlin, who's a South Australian backbencher, told The Guardian
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Speaker 3: quote the term mass migration can be used to disguise
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Speaker 3: more dangerous sentiments. Its use in this debate is irresponsible
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Speaker 3: and inflammatory. Every member and senator has a duty to
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Speaker 3: lean public opinion, not to merely reflect the divisive sentiments
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Speaker 3: of the very few. Well, if the term mass migration
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Speaker 3: is the biggest concern face in some moderates, what sort
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Speaker 3: of a debate is there going to be? There may
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Speaker 3: as well be no debate. Acknowledging that there is a
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Speaker 3: mass migration problem is not inflammatory. It doesn't discriminate against migrants.
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Speaker 3: It's a fact and the facts speak for themselves. More
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Speaker 3: than one point two million migrants have come into this
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Speaker 3: country since Labor was elected. Australia's population will likely reach
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Speaker 3: twenty eight million by twenty twenty seven. And at the
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Speaker 3: same time, Labour has failed to deliver on any of
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Speaker 3: its housing targets. Dwelling approvals fell by six point four
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Speaker 3: percent in October. So it's all right for the Albanese
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Speaker 3: government to say, oh, don't worry, we're going to fix.
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Speaker 2: The housing shortage.
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Speaker 3: We're going to build one point two million homes by
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty nine. But Labour's more than seventy thousand homes short.
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Speaker 3: Treasury Secretary Jenny Wilkinson today revealed only two of Australia's
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Speaker 3: state and territories would actually reach their housing commitments, saying,
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Speaker 3: I think there are two of the states that we
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Speaker 3: feel more confident, or two of the states and territories
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Speaker 3: that we feel more confident will meet their housing commitments
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Speaker 3: based on current projections. But twenty twenty nine is still
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Speaker 3: a number of years away. And what's a big driver
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Speaker 3: of this mass migration? Commonwealth Bank boss Matt Common last
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Speaker 3: month even called on labor to reduce migration by tens
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Speaker 3: of thousands of people a year to help the nation
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Speaker 3: combat the housing crisis.
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Speaker 2: So spare me.
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Speaker 3: This mass migration is means sentiment, It is nonsense. Now,
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Speaker 3: Susan Lee will release immigration policy principles and directions, she says,
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Speaker 3: rather than a fixed net migration number before Christmas, possibly
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Speaker 3: to appease the moderates after they struck out during the
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Speaker 3: net zero debate. But I fear that the Liberal Party
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Speaker 3: is destined to do the migration hokey pokey, now half in.
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Speaker 2: Half out.
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Speaker 3: How can you have an immigration policy without a serious
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Speaker 3: fixed target. It needs a figure have the courage to
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Speaker 3: do so. Otherwise why have a policy at all. Immigration
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Speaker 3: is a vote driving issue. Australians are now more worried
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Speaker 3: about that than climate change, and it's not just a
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Speaker 3: targeted migration program. We deserve to protect our values and
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Speaker 3: that means we must look at the types of people
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Speaker 3: we're bringing in.
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Speaker 2: And where they have come from.
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Speaker 3: But if the term mass migration is the biggest concern,
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Speaker 3: then we have big problems.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 3: Speaking of our values being at rees, quin need to
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Speaker 3: talk about the isis brides who were handed the ultimate
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Speaker 3: honeymoon by Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke. Forget Europe or
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Speaker 3: an island get away. Why would you when Labor is
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Speaker 3: handing you a deal to come back to the country
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Speaker 3: you betrayed when you went overseas to join a death
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Speaker 3: cult as part of a g hardy romance. And it
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Speaker 3: seems like Labor misled us on this. My colleague Charry
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Speaker 3: Markson revealed last night that the Minister mesh with the
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Speaker 3: Save the Charity, its children's charity which successfully advocated for
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Speaker 3: the return of Isis brides to Australia. Now meeting minutes
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Speaker 3: raised in set at estimates revealed that the Home Affairs
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Speaker 3: Minister held these covert talks within the charity in Jue
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Speaker 3: in his punch bowl electorate office, with notes for the
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Speaker 3: meeting recorded by hand before a senior public servant from
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Speaker 3: Home Affairs was asked to leave the room. What did
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Speaker 3: Tony Burke say in front of Save the Children that
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Speaker 3: he could not say in front of departmental officials.
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Speaker 2: Well, the Minister was.
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Speaker 3: Nowhere to be seen today, meaning his colleagues were trotted
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Speaker 3: out to do the groveling for him.
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Speaker 6: There wasn't a government repatriation here. There was a request,
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Speaker 6: but we did not engage in a repatriation beyond doing
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Speaker 6: what was legally required. The government did not assist any
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Speaker 6: of the repatriations that occurred here. And that's the consistent
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Speaker 6: point that Tony Burke has been making.
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Speaker 7: We are not supporting the repatriation of these individuals of
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Speaker 7: this cohort, and I would reflect that that position is
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Speaker 7: confirmed by what Save the Children has said.
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Speaker 3: Now, Labour conduck and weave as much as it wants,
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Speaker 3: but Tony Burn can't run from this. His timeline of
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Speaker 3: events are looking sketchy. Three months after the June meeting,
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Speaker 3: a spokesperson for the minister denied reports in the Australian
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Speaker 3: that ISIS brides were being brought back to Australia before Christmas,
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Speaker 3: saying the Federal Government was not directly involved in the
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Speaker 3: mission to bring the cohort home. The Prime Minister even
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Speaker 3: denied any such report of ISIS brides during question time
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Speaker 3: that week.
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Speaker 4: What actions has your government taken to guarantee the safety
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Speaker 4: of Australians if these people return?
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Speaker 1: Those reports are not accurate.
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Speaker 3: And yet surprise, isis brides managed to smuggle themselves out
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Speaker 3: of Syria and return to Australia. And critically Labor was
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Speaker 3: aware of the group. Yet the denials came thick and
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Speaker 3: fast in Senate estimates.
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Speaker 8: How many of the isis brides are now in Australia.
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Speaker 1: We would not provide commentary on individual cases.
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Speaker 8: Senator w Is the Prime Minister aware of how many
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Speaker 8: isis brides are now in Australia.
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Speaker 1: I will take that on leaders.
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Speaker 3: As if Labor, as if the Foreign Minister and the
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister would be unaware of a security risk coming
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Speaker 3: into this country. And Penny One continued to tie herself
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Speaker 3: in knots over this that the.
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Speaker 9: Government has said that they have not provided assistance to
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Speaker 9: returning ISIS brides. How does the government define.
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Speaker 1: Assistance repatriational assistance?
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Speaker 9: Does the Prime Minister consider providing the citizenship by descent
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Speaker 9: to be assistance the government?
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Speaker 7: The Government has been clear that we are not providing assistance.
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Speaker 1: To repatriate and there is no plan to repatriate these individuals.
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Speaker 9: So it is not assisting someone to return to Australia
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Speaker 9: to provide them with the documents they need to enter Australia.
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Speaker 3: Yes, so look, labor has ducked and weed for months
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Speaker 3: and nowur Minister Burke mysteriously told department.
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Speaker 2: Officials to leave the room.
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Speaker 3: During a meeting with a charity which advocated to bring
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Speaker 3: back the ISIS brides. The Opposition was rightly asking questions.
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Speaker 4: Today we have a Prime Minister and a Home Affairs
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Speaker 4: Minister who denied that this government was providing assistance to
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Speaker 4: members of ISIS to return to Australia. So we urgently
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Speaker 4: need answers to this question. What helped provided, because clearly
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Speaker 4: help was provided, and why has the Australian people been misled.
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Speaker 9: It's already bad enough that we know that happened while
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Speaker 9: the public servant was in the room, but we can
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Speaker 9: only imagine what happened after the public servant left the room.
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Speaker 9: And that's the question that Tony Burke must front up
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Speaker 9: and answer today.
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Speaker 3: Look, let's not forget these women left Australia. They chose
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Speaker 3: to leave this democratic, freedom loving country in the name
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Speaker 3: of isis of terror, of everything that goes against our
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Speaker 3: Australian values. They sided with our enemy. And what this
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Speaker 3: really reveals is that Labour has no interest in border security,
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Speaker 3: no interest in protecting our values, and no interest in
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Speaker 3: keeping us safe from those whose values are a threat
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Speaker 3: to social cohesion and Western democracies. I mean, when you
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Speaker 3: think about it, the whole Home Affairs portfolio has been
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Speaker 3: a disaster from the very beginning for Labor.
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Speaker 2: The ministers who.
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Speaker 3: Have held this portfolio, they seem highly sympathetic to the
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Speaker 3: wrong causes. He remember Andrew Giles, that strange expt putting
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Speaker 3: a man who represented asylum seekers on the Tampa as
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Speaker 3: minister in charge of a portfolio that covers border security.
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Speaker 3: Yet under his reign, one hundred and fifty criminals, including murderers,
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Speaker 3: rapists and pedophiles freed from immigration detention. After that High
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Speaker 3: Court decision, and of course his disastrous Direction ninety nine,
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Speaker 3: which allowed convicted criminals to escape deportation, and now there's
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Speaker 3: Tony Burke. Does he want to be the Minister for
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Speaker 3: cann Units or the Minister for Home Affairs because the
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Speaker 3: latter comes with a serious responsibility to look after our
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Speaker 3: national security. Yet under his reign, more than nineteen hundred
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Speaker 3: Garzens have come to this country with little to no
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Speaker 3: security checks, and up to seven hundred more could come.
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Speaker 3: He had a private meet and greet with at least
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Speaker 3: one Garzen refugee family at Sydney Airport and now a
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Speaker 3: secret meeting in June on Isis Bride's followed by months
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Speaker 3: of denial. Now, in a statement, the Minister said, quote
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Speaker 3: the notes and the letter which were discussed in Estimates
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Speaker 3: on Tuesday, confirm what the government had as always said.
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Speaker 3: There was a request from Save the Children to conduct
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Speaker 3: a repatriation operation.
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Speaker 2: It was refused.
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Speaker 3: But these women are not innocent victims of a caliphate.
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Speaker 3: I knew exactly what they were doing when they left here,
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Speaker 3: but it seems as though that's.
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Speaker 2: Not how later sees it. Jody Now is former Liberal senator.
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Speaker 3: Holly Hughes and Sky News host Caleb Bond. He both
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Speaker 3: of you, thanks so much for joining me on the
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Speaker 3: show this evening. Let's start with immigration, Caleb, as you
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Speaker 3: would have heard there, the term mass migration is now
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Speaker 3: worrying some moderates within the Liberal Party. Is that term
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Speaker 3: indeed inflammatory, as it's been suggested?
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Speaker 10: Good luck to you if you think there's a problem
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Speaker 10: with saying mass migration. I would have thought it was
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Speaker 10: preferable to talk about mass migration versus just a nebulous
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Speaker 10: version of migration, because it is making the difference clear
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Speaker 10: between we have a lot of people coming in at once,
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Speaker 10: which is what we're talking about with mass migration, not
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Speaker 10: at once. I mean, it's not like a million people
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Speaker 10: rocked up on the same plane. But you know what,
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Speaker 10: I'm sorry, right, they've come in a short period of time,
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Speaker 10: versus oh, we just don't like any margrants in the
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Speaker 10: country whatsoever. I would have thought if you're a moderate
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Speaker 10: in the Liberal Party or you're on the left, you
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Speaker 10: would appreciate that discrepancy being made. But it would seem
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Speaker 10: that is not the case. And if we can't have
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Speaker 10: an honest discussion about mass migration, let alone migration as
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Speaker 10: a whole, you know, you may as well drop the
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Speaker 10: toaster in the bath and give up, because what is
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Speaker 10: the point as a country of existing if you can't
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Speaker 10: have an honest discussion about the face of that country.
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Speaker 10: And sometimes those discussions are difficult, and sometimes those discussions
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Speaker 10: are testy, but that's what a grown up, mature country
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Speaker 10: ought to be able to do. And Senator McLaughlin says,
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Speaker 10: you know it's a concern of a few. Well, all
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Speaker 10: the available polling would show that about half the country
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Speaker 10: or a little bit more, many of whom are migrants,
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Speaker 10: by the way, think that migration is too high. This
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Speaker 10: isn't just a fringe issue. It is a major issue,
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Speaker 10: middle of the road issue for middle Australia.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is not a fringe issue anymore. You're absolutely right.
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Speaker 2: This is a mainstream problem.
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Speaker 3: And I think it is an acute vote driving issue
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Speaker 3: because the cost of living crisis and the housing crisis. Holly,
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Speaker 3: you know, as a former Liberal yourself, how can this
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Speaker 3: debate happen when already some you know, within the Liberal
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Speaker 3: Party are really too scared to discuss it at all.
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Speaker 11: It's extraordinary, isn't it.
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Speaker 12: I mean, this is a mainstream issue and every day
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Speaker 12: Australians expressing their concern about it. Whether it's you know,
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Speaker 12: their kids at university having their degrees dumbed down because
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Speaker 12: of the number of international students who don't have English
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Speaker 12: as as a first or second language in some instances.
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Speaker 12: And then you mentioned the cost of living and also
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Speaker 12: the housing crisis. These are real issues facing Australian families
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Speaker 12: and it is the type of migration that we're getting
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Speaker 12: and the allocation of migration where that migration is going
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Speaker 12: to that is having some of these really dire impacts
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Speaker 12: on Australian families. And you know, Caleb's right, we do
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Speaker 12: need to have a grown up discussion about it. And
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Speaker 12: I think that's what John o'dunham and Paul Scarr are
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Speaker 12: trying to do under the leadership of Susan LAG to
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Speaker 12: actually do some analysis, to have a look at where
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Speaker 12: can schools sustain this kind of growth, Where can hospitals
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Speaker 12: sustain this kind of growth, What are the skills that
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Speaker 12: we actually need to be bringing into this country. Because
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Speaker 12: you know, there is a little bit of chicken and
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Speaker 12: egg when it comes to the housing crisis. You know,
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Speaker 12: we need more builders at the end of the day,
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Speaker 12: and we need people that can build more housing and
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Speaker 12: we just don't simply have enough of them here, so
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Speaker 12: we need to make sure that the midrigration is targeted.
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Speaker 12: But I think this nickpicking over just you know, a word,
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Speaker 12: is absolutely missing the point. This is a conversation Australias
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Speaker 12: want to have and they are very concerned when it
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Speaker 12: comes to the people that are coming into this country
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Speaker 12: whether or not they actually reflect our values and way
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Speaker 12: of life exactly.
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Speaker 3: It's not only about the quantity the amount of people
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Speaker 3: were bringing in, but the quality as well. And let's
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Speaker 3: just hope that we get to a point where we
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Speaker 3: can indeed have a proper adult debate about this. Let's
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Speaker 3: talk isis Brides. As I mentioned, of course, Sharry Markson
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Speaker 3: revealed last night that the Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke
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Speaker 3: refused to block the return and even offered to help them.
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Speaker 3: He also held that private meeting with Save the Children,
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Speaker 3: the charity organizing the Isis Bride's repatriation. Caleb the minister
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Speaker 3: was completely mia today it had to get Richard Miles
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Speaker 3: trotted out in front of the media to answer questions.
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Speaker 3: But the question remains, what did Tony Burke say in
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Speaker 3: front of Save the Children that he couldn't say in
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Speaker 3: front of his own departmental officials.
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Speaker 2: They were asked to leave the room. Is that strange
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Speaker 2: to you.
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Speaker 10: Well, there's a bit of silly buggers going on here,
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Speaker 10: because of course the government is correct in saying that
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Speaker 10: it didn't provide a serious assistance in repatriating ISIS brides.
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Speaker 13: That is true.
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Speaker 10: I said a planer over and allowed them to come back.
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Speaker 10: They are Australian citizens and so unfortunately we're somewhat hamstrung
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Speaker 10: in whether or not they can come back. They're allowed
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Speaker 10: to them, and I wish we had a mechanism available
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Speaker 10: to say, I'm sorry, you're just a traitor. You're never
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Speaker 10: coming back. You don't deserve to be in this country
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Speaker 10: if you go over and join with Isis as a
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Speaker 10: bride or as a fighter. But be that as it may.
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Speaker 10: To exclude the staff from the meeting and reading the
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Speaker 10: story in the Australian Today, and obviously the details of
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Speaker 10: what was written in those notes, and then the subsequent
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Speaker 10: letter that was sent by Save the Children to Tony
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Speaker 10: Burke which said, you know, we note your decision not
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Speaker 10: to assist us in dah Da dah Lah. So my
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Speaker 10: question is, was the discussion that was had without staff
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Speaker 10: in the room a robust one where Tony said, look,
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Speaker 10: pull your head in, we're not going to do this,
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Speaker 10: or was it one where mister Burke said, look, you
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Speaker 10: write a letter to us that says that I told
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Speaker 10: you that we're not going to do anything, and then
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Speaker 10: we'll just sort of do the stuff in the background
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Speaker 10: that needs to happen. Any trouble is as you know,
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Speaker 10: is we'll never know the answer to that.
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Speaker 2: No, we're never going to know the answer.
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Speaker 3: But we need the transparency because again, when we're talking
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Speaker 3: about values, isis brides certainly don't reflect our values. Holy
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Speaker 3: what's your take on what has actually occurred here?
20:21
Speaker 12: Well, why these women if they're coming back not being
20:24
Speaker 12: charged with crimes when they returned to Australia. They seem
20:27
Speaker 12: to be coming back with zero consequences for their behavior.
20:31
Speaker 12: And I think the word that Caleb used, trader is
20:34
Speaker 12: completely right. They are traded to our values, They are
20:37
Speaker 12: traded to our nation. They went over to a death
20:40
Speaker 12: cult that absolutely had the demise of the West on
20:43
Speaker 12: its objectives that includes Australia. I don't care who these
20:48
Speaker 12: women are, but they should be charged for the crimes
20:52
Speaker 12: that they participated in when they left the country, despite
20:55
Speaker 12: being told not to and headed to that war zone
20:58
Speaker 12: where they were told not to travel to A well.
21:01
Speaker 12: I know, say the children have been working on this
21:04
Speaker 12: for years. They do some fantastic work. I think they
21:07
Speaker 12: are misguided in their passion for this one. I have
21:12
Speaker 12: grave concerns how indoctrinated a hatred of Western values that
21:16
Speaker 12: the children that they're purporting to say need to come
21:20
Speaker 12: home to Australia.
21:21
Speaker 11: Some of them were not born here.
21:23
Speaker 12: That they may have an Australian mother, but they weren't
21:26
Speaker 12: born in Australia.
21:27
Speaker 11: They certainly have not had exposure to Australian values.
21:30
Speaker 12: And you know, the priority of the federal government first
21:33
Speaker 12: and format for foremost.
21:35
Speaker 11: Is the safety of its citizens.
21:38
Speaker 12: Until we can get clarification that there are protocols, that
21:42
Speaker 12: there are procedures being put in place to ensure the
21:45
Speaker 12: safety of Australian citizens, I just think this is such
21:50
Speaker 12: a bad mode by this government. But it's just completely
21:54
Speaker 12: in line with the way that they behave with the
21:56
Speaker 12: lack of transparency. And I did note today the Sydney
22:00
Speaker 12: Morning editorial talked about their hubris and were confidence and
22:06
Speaker 12: you know, when you're a labor government and you're losing
22:08
Speaker 12: the Sydney Morning Herald.
22:09
Speaker 11: That should be bringing some serious alarm bells.
22:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, you're not wrong. It should absolutely be, but
22:15
Speaker 3: we don't have any answers. As we've all said, that's
22:17
Speaker 3: the problem. Now, this is a real shocker. A primary
22:20
Speaker 3: school in Melbourne is only installing gender neutral bathrooms in
22:23
Speaker 3: a block for young children. My colleague Caroline Marcus has
22:26
Speaker 3: revealed the block will have eight gender neutral toilet stalls
22:30
Speaker 3: and there won't be separate boys and girls toilets. You know,
22:33
Speaker 3: I mean, what do we expect from Victoria?
22:36
Speaker 2: Parents have complained Holly.
22:38
Speaker 3: You know it's no surprise though that they've been brushed
22:40
Speaker 3: off by the state's education department.
22:42
Speaker 2: As a mother yourself, how do you feel about this?
22:45
Speaker 12: Look, it's ridiculous and I mean I can understand the
22:49
Speaker 12: parents saying that they don't want their little girls going
22:52
Speaker 12: into a bathroom with the boys. That is absolutely fair
22:56
Speaker 12: enough for those parents to say. I think it works
22:58
Speaker 12: in both directions that parents want their children to be
23:03
Speaker 12: able to access single sex bathrooms. What's extraordinary about this
23:06
Speaker 12: story is that the letters that have been written to
23:10
Speaker 12: parents explaining why they're making the decision are based on
23:13
Speaker 12: false claims they're saying that it's part of some legislative goal,
23:17
Speaker 12: which it absolutely isn't. This is just Melbourne, Melbourne, Melbourne.
23:21
Speaker 12: And I've said it before and I'll say it again
23:23
Speaker 12: to those people hanging in in Victoria and particularly Melbourne,
23:29
Speaker 12: hats off to you, because I don't know how.
23:32
Speaker 2: I'm with you all the way.
23:33
Speaker 3: I mean, another woke example from Victoria, and it's coming
23:36
Speaker 3: from a state government grant as well.
23:38
Speaker 1: That was just bizarre.
23:39
Speaker 10: I mean, look, every school's got male and female. What's
23:42
Speaker 10: wrong with the toilets work? Fine, don't they And of course,
23:46
Speaker 10: beyond the ridiculousness of forcing girls to share toilets with boys,
23:51
Speaker 10: one of the great privileges of being male is that
23:54
Speaker 10: you can do your number one standing up and of
23:56
Speaker 10: course you know, you just walk in and there's urinal there.
23:59
Speaker 10: Of course you won't have a urinal in a gender
24:02
Speaker 10: neutral toilet, So the mind of being disadvantaged as well.
24:05
Speaker 1: I don't think we.
24:06
Speaker 2: Should lose side.
24:08
Speaker 14: We should.
24:10
Speaker 2: We shouldn't lose sight of that tour all right.
24:13
Speaker 13: Wow.
24:14
Speaker 2: I mean I wonder how the parents of Victoria would
24:15
Speaker 2: feel about that.
24:16
Speaker 10: Look, I think they think, little Johnny, you should be
24:19
Speaker 10: able to go into the little Johnny toilet. Little gene
24:21
Speaker 10: should be going to the little gene.
24:23
Speaker 2: It should be that simple.
24:24
Speaker 3: Really, It's like A and B, very easy, but apparently
24:26
Speaker 3: not if you're a Victoria Holy Hughes cayleb Bond.
24:29
Speaker 2: Good to have you both on. Thank you so much
24:30
Speaker 2: for joining me on the show this evening.
24:32
Speaker 3: Well, social media giant Meta has begun blocking under sixteen
24:36
Speaker 3: year old's accounts on Instagram and Facebook.
24:38
Speaker 15: Now.
24:38
Speaker 3: This of course comes as the first wave of the
24:40
Speaker 3: under sixteen social media ban comes into effect next week.
24:44
Speaker 3: National Senator Matt Canavan asked two very important questions in
24:48
Speaker 3: Senate Estimates this week, and the response from the Safety
24:51
Speaker 3: Commissioner Julie Imman Grant and officials was quite baffling.
24:54
Speaker 2: Have a look, I've.
24:55
Speaker 16: Had some great family experiences on YouTube. I don't understand.
24:59
Speaker 16: I mean, I guess there's some may be some harm,
25:01
Speaker 16: but I feel like you haven't fully captured the positive benefits.
25:07
Speaker 15: Some of our research did show that ninety six percent
25:12
Speaker 15: of ten to fifteen year olds had one social media account.
25:16
Speaker 15: At seventy percent of them experienced home on social media,
25:19
Speaker 15: and forty percent of those experience.
25:22
Speaker 16: Maybe just to talk about YouTuber. Just so, just to
25:24
Speaker 16: go back to what we said earlier, children can continue
25:28
Speaker 16: to do all of that on their parents account.
25:31
Speaker 13: I think if they were doing that on a parent's account,
25:35
Speaker 13: we would expect that Google would assess that.
25:37
Speaker 16: So they blocked my account. So if I was allowing
25:39
Speaker 16: my child as a parent to use my account to
25:43
Speaker 16: look at content, they block my account.
25:45
Speaker 17: They may are going to restrict the rights of their parents.
25:47
Speaker 2: The user of the account.
25:48
Speaker 16: I mean, it's just what at night mean.
25:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, very strange, isn't it. National Senator Matt Canavan
25:56
Speaker 3: joins me. Now, good to have you on the show.
25:59
Speaker 3: As always, so the commissioner would not say what the
26:01
Speaker 3: benefits of YouTube are for kids, and now we have
26:04
Speaker 3: confirmation that if a child does use their parents' account,
26:06
Speaker 3: there's an expectation that the account would be blocked.
26:09
Speaker 2: What does that tell.
26:10
Speaker 16: Us, Well, look, Danika, the Safety Commissioner did highlight some
26:16
Speaker 16: of the harms that can come from social media, and
26:18
Speaker 16: I absolutely accept that. I accept that perhaps there's something
26:21
Speaker 16: governments could do to help parents. But the problem with
26:24
Speaker 16: this whole approach is this bill, this act, these measures
26:28
Speaker 16: completely override the will of parents and effectively seek to
26:31
Speaker 16: replace parents with state officials like the e Safety Commissioner.
26:35
Speaker 16: And however smart the Safety commissioner thinks she is, I
26:38
Speaker 16: don't really want her in the role of parents to
26:41
Speaker 16: my parent to my children. That is my job and
26:43
Speaker 16: my wife's job. And yes there are a lot of
26:46
Speaker 16: issues to manage, but we should be the ones principally
26:50
Speaker 16: in charge of that. What was even more unusual from
26:53
Speaker 16: that exchange that you couldn't play all of the exchange.
26:55
Speaker 16: But what is even more unusual is I asked the
26:58
Speaker 16: officials about the situation where a old may seek to
27:01
Speaker 16: post videos. There's lots of examples of young children setting
27:03
Speaker 16: up their own social media accounts, as a great journalist
27:06
Speaker 16: leopol Yezi, who started as eleven year old. There's an
27:10
Speaker 16: olympian that this week had to shut down her social
27:13
Speaker 16: media accounts and she'd categoroged her sporting career on there.
27:18
Speaker 16: If they post videos, apparently on your account, on your
27:21
Speaker 16: parents account, that's okay. So a child apparently this is
27:24
Speaker 16: what the official said, could post a video on their parents' account.
27:28
Speaker 16: But if they watch videos on the parents account, as
27:30
Speaker 16: you just heard, you could have your whole account locked out.
27:33
Speaker 16: I mean this doesn't seem to make any kind of sense,
27:36
Speaker 16: and I think more than anything, when this comes into effect,
27:39
Speaker 16: it will just be a whole lot of confusion and mess.
27:42
Speaker 16: I doubt it's going to keep the kids off social media.
27:44
Speaker 16: It's probably going to kick a lot of grandma's off
27:46
Speaker 16: social media who don't know how to get back into
27:47
Speaker 16: their account when they've been accused of being a six
27:51
Speaker 16: year old.
27:51
Speaker 2: Well, this is a thing, you know.
27:52
Speaker 3: I mean, the Communications Minister Annaka Wells said this week
27:55
Speaker 3: that her Liberal counterpart was done with whistling over this issue. Well,
28:00
Speaker 3: you know, we are going to have to cough up
28:01
Speaker 3: our idea that there's so many holes, so much, there's
28:05
Speaker 3: so many black holes in this legislation.
28:06
Speaker 2: So let's see what happens now.
28:08
Speaker 3: Another interesting exchange in the Senate estimates this week, Matt,
28:11
Speaker 3: when you tried to get an answer on the cost
28:13
Speaker 3: of net zero, have a look, how much do.
28:16
Speaker 16: We need to invest to get to net zero?
28:18
Speaker 12: So I'm not sure exactly what question you're asking over
28:22
Speaker 12: what time frame?
28:23
Speaker 1: May the goal is net zero by twenty fifty, so
28:25
Speaker 1: that's the time.
28:26
Speaker 11: Frame that's right in between now and then.
28:28
Speaker 1: There's a lot of private investment that will take place.
28:32
Speaker 1: Didn't you just do a modeling exercise? Yeah, yes, we
28:35
Speaker 1: did too. How much? What's the figure?
28:37
Speaker 3: So I'm not sure whether we have a figure out, Matt,
28:41
Speaker 3: A lot of confusion from treasury.
28:43
Speaker 2: No figure on the cost, but how bills keep going up?
28:48
Speaker 16: You do wonder what we pay these people for. The
28:50
Speaker 16: government spent millions of your dollars doing this so called
28:53
Speaker 16: modeling on net zero, and I can't even tell us
28:57
Speaker 16: how much getting to net zero is going to cost.
28:59
Speaker 16: Wouldn't that be the central question you'd want answered when
29:03
Speaker 16: doing a modeling exercise on net zero? But the reason,
29:07
Speaker 16: I think, and I suspect I fear the reason is
29:10
Speaker 16: Daneka that they don't want to tell us. They don't
29:12
Speaker 16: even pop sword to calculate the figure because that would
29:15
Speaker 16: be way too embarrassing for them. There are some other
29:18
Speaker 16: people that have done this work. Researchers at the University
29:21
Speaker 16: of Melbourne, the University of Queensland and Princeton University. They
29:24
Speaker 16: formed a body called net zero Australia and they found
29:27
Speaker 16: that getting to net zero would cost seven to nine
29:30
Speaker 16: trillion dollars. That's more than two hundred and fifty thousand
29:34
Speaker 16: dollars per Australian massive cost, and they found that that cost,
29:39
Speaker 16: at seven to nine trillion dollar cost, was six times
29:42
Speaker 16: more expensive than not doing net zero. I think that finding,
29:46
Speaker 16: to me is why your government, the Labor Party, won't
29:49
Speaker 16: investigate how much it cost to net zero, cost to
29:51
Speaker 16: gets to net zero, because if they did tell you, you
29:54
Speaker 16: wouldn't support it.
29:55
Speaker 3: No, exactly, that I think a spot on. That is
29:58
Speaker 3: why they're so secretive about this. Before I let you go,
30:01
Speaker 3: an Australian Energy Market Commission report today has worn that
30:04
Speaker 3: electricity prices are projected to jump thirteen percent by early
30:08
Speaker 3: next decade unless the rollout of Labour's net zero policies
30:12
Speaker 3: are accelerated. Already, our bills, Matt, obviously they've gone up
30:16
Speaker 3: by fort about twenty six percent alone this year.
30:20
Speaker 2: But now more we look into the future, the bleaker
30:23
Speaker 2: it gets.
30:26
Speaker 16: Well, it's a real problem here, Danneka. It's very sad
30:30
Speaker 16: to see manufacturing go at the back door, to see
30:32
Speaker 16: small businesses go at the back door, to see families
30:35
Speaker 16: being crushed under the ever escalating energy price situation this country,
30:39
Speaker 16: and time and time again we get just excuses from
30:42
Speaker 16: this government, not solutions. I mean today We've had the
30:45
Speaker 16: treasure out there saying that, look, it's all okay because
30:49
Speaker 16: Sarah Ferguson at the ABC has put out a fact
30:51
Speaker 16: check saying that the collision's wrong on why electricity prices
30:56
Speaker 16: is so high. I mean, can this guy he's in charge,
30:58
Speaker 16: he's the treasurer. If he believes that we've got it
31:02
Speaker 16: wrong on power prices, why does he just take action
31:05
Speaker 16: to bring the price down. If it's that simple, Jim,
31:07
Speaker 16: just do it. Stop complaining about it, stop tweeting about it.
31:11
Speaker 16: Just get the power prices down. And they haven't done that.
31:13
Speaker 16: They're effectively now saying they want you. The government wants
31:17
Speaker 16: you to not believe your lying eyes. You can see,
31:20
Speaker 16: we can all see the power price have gone up
31:22
Speaker 16: thirty seven percent in the past year. I think that's
31:25
Speaker 16: the truth, not the government spin yep.
31:27
Speaker 3: Every time we get our power bills, we see it
31:29
Speaker 3: with our own eyes. So you know, labor can hide
31:32
Speaker 3: their own eyes, but we're certainly not. Matt Canavan, good
31:35
Speaker 3: to speak with you, as always, Thanks very much for
31:36
Speaker 3: your time this evening.
31:38
Speaker 2: We're still to come.
31:38
Speaker 3: Escalating tensions in the Pacific puts Australia on alert.
31:41
Speaker 2: Major General MC Ryan on that soon. Plus there are
31:44
Speaker 2: calls for every.
31:45
Speaker 3: Wind farm in New South Wales to be examined because
31:48
Speaker 3: of asbestospears. Zowey Hilton will join me next Welcome back. Well,
31:55
Speaker 3: after four years of demonizing gas and dismissing the need
31:58
Speaker 3: for the energy resource in favor of the renewables only fantasy,
32:02
Speaker 3: it seems Chris Bowen has had epiphany of sort a
32:05
Speaker 3: bit of a light bulb moment. Labor is preparing a
32:07
Speaker 3: major intervention to keep more Australian produced gas on shore
32:11
Speaker 3: and is set to announce an East Coast gas reservation
32:14
Speaker 3: scheme as early as next week. Joining me to discuss
32:17
Speaker 3: this and more is senior policy analyst at the Center
32:19
Speaker 3: for Independent Studies, Zoe Hilton.
32:21
Speaker 2: Zoe, great to have you on the show. Thank you
32:23
Speaker 2: so much for joining me.
32:25
Speaker 3: We'll recall that this was actually a policy put forward
32:27
Speaker 3: by the opposition at the last election, and to quote
32:30
Speaker 3: Chris Bowen at the time, he called it a reheated
32:32
Speaker 3: microwave Morrison policy. Well, when we're running out of gas,
32:36
Speaker 3: it's actually serious issue and he treated it as a joke.
32:40
Speaker 2: What are the consequences of not intervening?
32:43
Speaker 13: So I think this is a crisis that has been
32:45
Speaker 13: many years in the making. We should have had an
32:48
Speaker 13: East Coast gas reservation scheme many years ago before all
32:52
Speaker 13: of these export contracts were signed for these very big projects,
32:55
Speaker 13: so for example Santos, because it's very hard for the
32:58
Speaker 13: government to then come in now and say or we
33:00
Speaker 13: would like some of that after these other countries have
33:03
Speaker 13: essentially footed the bill for those projects. And so it's
33:06
Speaker 13: good that at least Labor has realized the mistake and
33:09
Speaker 13: is starting to move in the right direction. But the
33:11
Speaker 13: question now is will there actually be enough extra export
33:16
Speaker 13: gas capacity to be able to redirect to the domestic
33:19
Speaker 13: market because we can't break those contracts. They've make clear
33:22
Speaker 13: that they don't want to do that, and I'm not
33:25
Speaker 13: quite sure that there's actually going to be enough extra
33:27
Speaker 13: that we can rediverse, and so now it becomes critical
33:31
Speaker 13: that we actually get enough supply, that we get more
33:33
Speaker 13: projects going like Narrabrie, so that we can actually have
33:37
Speaker 13: enough going into the domestic reserve into the gestic market
33:41
Speaker 13: without having to break contracts with our allies in some
33:44
Speaker 13: cases including Japan and South Korea, but also China is
33:49
Speaker 13: probably the biggest buyer of our East Coast gas.
33:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, but so then this in like, if there was
33:55
Speaker 3: this reservation scheme that is going to be announced, it
33:58
Speaker 3: would indeed have an impact on gas prices.
34:01
Speaker 13: So I imagine yes, over time, especially with new projects,
34:05
Speaker 13: that should help to stop our domestic market being exposed
34:09
Speaker 13: to the export market. But I think it has to
34:12
Speaker 13: be done in a way that it doesn't make investors
34:15
Speaker 13: very concerned that their existing investments are going to be
34:20
Speaker 13: taken over by the government and they'll have to break
34:22
Speaker 13: contracts and then lose trust. What we don't want is
34:24
Speaker 13: Australia becoming a place that people don't trust, that they
34:27
Speaker 13: don't want to build things here because they're not sure
34:29
Speaker 13: what the government's going to do and regulations are going
34:31
Speaker 13: to change, and so we really need to be very
34:33
Speaker 13: careful not to break trust them.
34:35
Speaker 3: Well, we'll see what gets announced then next week. But extraordinary,
34:38
Speaker 3: as I said, Bowen spent the past four years demonizing
34:41
Speaker 3: gas and surprise, surprise, he's had come to Jesus moment.
34:44
Speaker 3: Now let's talk about the growing concerns about asbestos contamination. This,
34:48
Speaker 3: of course is happening in New South Wales and it's
34:51
Speaker 3: prompted calls for an urgent audit of every wind farm,
34:54
Speaker 3: several green energy companies discover the deadly material inside their turbines,
34:59
Speaker 3: or more than ten other side across the country remain
35:01
Speaker 3: on alert for possible contamination. The newly elected New South
35:04
Speaker 3: Wales Nationals leader Germesh Singh told the Daily Telegraph access operation,
35:08
Speaker 3: maintenance and servicing of all wind turbines should be suspended
35:11
Speaker 3: until they have been inspected for and cleared of containing asbestos.
35:16
Speaker 3: And of course, so I mean this is happening on farmlands,
35:19
Speaker 3: so that the farmers would be very concerned about contamination
35:21
Speaker 3: on their properties.
35:22
Speaker 2: But is he right? Should an audit be conducted?
35:25
Speaker 13: Yes, I think it definitely should be doable to switch
35:28
Speaker 13: off every single wind turbine and check it for asbestos,
35:32
Speaker 13: because really, at the end of the day, the grid
35:34
Speaker 13: doesn't rely on a wind, so the grid should be
35:37
Speaker 13: fine if we actually take these turbines out of the
35:39
Speaker 13: market for a little bit and make sure that we're
35:41
Speaker 13: not putting particularly employees who then have to maintain the turbines,
35:45
Speaker 13: putting them at risk because they're the ones most exposed
35:47
Speaker 13: to the asbestos. And honestly, I think that this just
35:50
Speaker 13: it shows it's a really good example of how there
35:53
Speaker 13: is one set of rules for renewables and another set
35:56
Speaker 13: of rules for everyone else. We have laws on the
35:58
Speaker 13: books that should have stopped happening, but it hasn't stopped it.
36:02
Speaker 13: We have gotten these asbestos filled wind turbines into our country.
36:06
Speaker 13: The regulations are there and they're not being enforced. So
36:10
Speaker 13: why is that? And we've also seen that the similar
36:12
Speaker 13: thing with land clearing. We saw for the Central wester
36:14
Speaker 13: Rhina Renewable Energy Zone.
36:16
Speaker 2: These roads cleared.
36:17
Speaker 13: Of these really old trees with all these baby birds
36:20
Speaker 13: in them, and you have baby birds having their pelvises
36:23
Speaker 13: broken for land clearing for a renewable energy zone. It's
36:27
Speaker 13: meant to save the environment, and we're just destroying the
36:29
Speaker 13: environment in order to save it. And it doesn't make sense.
36:31
Speaker 13: And why are there some rules for renewables and other
36:34
Speaker 13: rules for everyone else.
36:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, and labor won't tell you about the environmental consequences.
36:38
Speaker 3: And all I can put this down to you know,
36:40
Speaker 3: we're importing, as you said, these wind farm parts.
36:43
Speaker 2: It's the rush to get it up and so there's
36:45
Speaker 2: no thought.
36:46
Speaker 3: And so now what We're going to have to close
36:48
Speaker 3: down all of the new South Wales wind farms just
36:50
Speaker 3: to check for asbestos. It's absolutely just extraordinary. Let's talk
36:55
Speaker 3: about power prices now. I mentioned this just before to
36:57
Speaker 3: the National Senator Matt Canavan. The ae MC has projected
37:02
Speaker 3: prices are about to blow out and that they're going
37:05
Speaker 3: to get higher because of a quote slower renewable build
37:08
Speaker 3: out and slower electrification than was pre was first expected.
37:13
Speaker 2: So electricity prices zoe.
37:15
Speaker 3: A third more than official estimates were made a year ago.
37:19
Speaker 2: As I said to Matt Canavan, it just gets bleaker
37:22
Speaker 2: and bleaker.
37:23
Speaker 3: That it's like the renewables only experiment. It's not working
37:27
Speaker 3: no matter which turn you go.
37:29
Speaker 2: Yeap.
37:29
Speaker 13: The definition of insanity is doing the same thing again
37:32
Speaker 13: and again and again and again expecting a different result exactly,
37:35
Speaker 13: and it's just, yeah, it's ludicrous. And I think the
37:38
Speaker 13: key thing with that report because they do promise, oh,
37:41
Speaker 13: over the next five years prices will go down, and
37:43
Speaker 13: they might go up a little bit over the subsequent
37:45
Speaker 13: five years, but overall that's just a zero point eight
37:48
Speaker 13: percent per anim increase, So it doesn't look like that
37:50
Speaker 13: much on the face of it. And their solution is then, well,
37:53
Speaker 13: let's just build more renewables faster and at the end
37:57
Speaker 13: of the day. It's the report itself doesn't reflect reality.
38:00
Speaker 13: Really what it is, it's a piece of fan fiction
38:03
Speaker 13: for the Integrated System Plan, which is the government's plan
38:07
Speaker 13: that the Energy Market Operator has created, and that all
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Speaker 13: is underpinned by this eighty two percent renewables buy twenty
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Speaker 13: thirty target. And you ask any energy expert, including Professor
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Speaker 13: ros Gano, no one thinks that is achievable. We are
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Speaker 13: not going to get to eighty two percent by twenty thirty.
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Speaker 13: And if that is not true, then you can imagine
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Speaker 13: that there's probably a lot of other things in this
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Speaker 13: report that are not true. For example, they say, oh, well,
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Speaker 13: if households can electrify fully, then they can reduce their
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Speaker 13: whole sort of energy wallet, including petrol and gas and
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Speaker 13: all of that. It can reduce all of that by
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Speaker 13: ninety percent. But they don't look at the cost of
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Speaker 13: buying an EV, so they.
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Speaker 2: Assume, well, yes, if you buy an EV.
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Speaker 13: Oh and also we would like you to charge it
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Speaker 13: not when you want to charge it, but when it's
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Speaker 13: for the grid, so that you can charge a discharge
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Speaker 13: to support the grid. If you buy an EV, then yay, wonderful,
38:58
Speaker 13: your energy costs will go down look at how much
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Speaker 13: that book us.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't make sense. No, none of it makes sense.
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Speaker 2: And you're right.
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Speaker 3: Well you've got people like Ross Gano, a big backer
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Speaker 3: of Reviewable, saying we're in big trouble here. Well, maybe
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Speaker 3: labor might want to actually listen. See Hilton, nice to
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Speaker 3: meet you. Thank you very much for coming in tonight.
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Speaker 3: Really appreciate your time. We'll stay with us. Victoria's Premier
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Speaker 3: just into Allen slashing the public service by one thousand.
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Speaker 3: Shadow Minister for Housing David Southwick would.
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Speaker 2: Join me soon.
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Speaker 3: Plus, a Chinese flotilla is being watched by the ADF
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Speaker 3: in the Philippine Sea. What is going on? Major General
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Speaker 3: Mick Ryan is next, welcome back. Well, Australia is monitoring
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Speaker 3: a Chinese naval flotilla in the Philippine Sea that could
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Speaker 3: be heading our way.
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Speaker 2: He is Defense Minister Richard Miles.
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Speaker 6: Defense is monitoring a Chinese PLA N task group which
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Speaker 6: is currently in the Philippine Sea, and we do not
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Speaker 6: have a sense of where it is going, but we
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Speaker 6: continue to monitor it as we monitor all movements, until
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Speaker 6: we know that task groups are not coming to Australia.
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Speaker 3: Now, this flotilla is likely to include a large amphibious
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Speaker 3: assault ship that can host up to thirty helicopters, a destroyer,
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Speaker 3: a frigate and a refueling vessel. Joining me now to
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Speaker 3: discuss this and more is retired Major General Mick Ryan.
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Speaker 2: Great to have you on the show. Thanks for joining me.
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Speaker 2: How concerned should we be about this?
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Speaker 14: Well? I think this is just a continuation, indeed stepping
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Speaker 14: up of Chinese aggression against not just Australia, but New
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Speaker 14: Zealand and regional countries. They've been expanding their navy, expanding
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Speaker 14: its bluewater capacity, and they want to show off that
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Speaker 14: they can reach out and touch other nations if they
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Speaker 14: choose to do so.
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Speaker 3: So this is nothing more than a sheer tactic to
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Speaker 3: show us their personnel that what their military might is.
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Speaker 3: I was going to ask, actually, then, is it another
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Speaker 3: intimidation tactic by Beijing?
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Speaker 2: What are they trying to prove to us?
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Speaker 14: Oh, it's certainly intimidation against Australia and New Zealand and
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Speaker 14: other countries to say to all of us that China
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Speaker 14: sits at the top of the pile and we don't.
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Speaker 14: But they'll also be measuring the response of the Australian
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Speaker 14: Defense Force as well as the Australian government seeing if
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Speaker 14: there's differences and how the politicians and the military respond.
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Speaker 14: They'll also be measuring how the US and other countries
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Speaker 14: might support Australia in its statements about this new Chinese
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Speaker 14: Naval Task Force doing circle work around Australia.
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Speaker 3: Well, yep, another tactic by China. You know, here we
41:27
Speaker 3: go again.
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Speaker 2: Now look.
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Speaker 3: The former Japanese ambassador has issued a fresh rebuke of
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Speaker 3: Labor for its silence in the face of China's bullying.
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Speaker 3: He said, quote when Australia came under tremendous pressure from
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Speaker 3: China and was subject to similar economic coercion, Japan stated
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Speaker 3: out loud that Australia was not walking alone. Is it
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Speaker 3: too much to expect the same from our Aussie mates
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Speaker 3: in times of need? The Shadow Defense Minister Angus Taylor
41:51
Speaker 3: called out Anthony Arberesi. He said, Japan has been one
41:54
Speaker 3: of our closest partners for decades and is now building
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Speaker 3: our new Magami class frigates, which shows how closely our
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Speaker 3: security and economic interests are tied. When Japan has targeted
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Speaker 3: Australia can't sit on the sidelines, does.
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Speaker 2: The former ambassador have a point here.
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Speaker 3: Has labor been too slow to act what it comes
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Speaker 3: to supporting our allies like Japan and sort of curtailing
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Speaker 3: to China at the same time.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, I think the ambassador is right here. Unfortunately, stabilization
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Speaker 14: for the Australian government often means silence when China abuses
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Speaker 14: our neighbors. I mean, we don't have a more important
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Speaker 14: partner in the Pacific after the United States than Japan.
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Speaker 14: They're an important security, economic and diplomatic partner and we
42:38
Speaker 14: should be standing with them. They've been our friends for
42:41
Speaker 14: a very long time. We should return the favor.
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Speaker 13: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Look absolutely, I mean it's not the only rebic that
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Speaker 3: Labour's had from an ally this year.
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Speaker 2: It's set certainly on a roll.
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Speaker 3: And now look earlier this week, Richard Miles announced what
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Speaker 3: he is saying is the biggest reform in fifty years
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Speaker 3: for the Department of Defense.
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Speaker 6: This is what he said, pablishment of the Defense Delivery Agency.
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Speaker 6: We'll see a much bigger bang for buck for the
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Speaker 6: defense spend and that is at the heart of the
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Speaker 6: decision that we have made.
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Speaker 3: Mick, what do we know about these proposed changes? And
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Speaker 3: in your view, you know you know this subject so well,
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Speaker 3: does it go far enough?
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Speaker 14: Well, it's a minor step. There's an old saying, if
43:24
Speaker 14: you don't know what to do, reorganize, and that's very
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Speaker 14: much I think the theme of this. It's not the
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Speaker 14: biggest change in fifty years. And what it does is
43:32
Speaker 14: combines three procurement agencies into one, but really brings them
43:36
Speaker 14: closer under the control of the minister, which means every
43:40
Speaker 14: time they mess up the minister can't blame anyone except
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Speaker 14: himself anymore. But there are changes required in a whole
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Speaker 14: range of areas in the ADF, including the number of
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Speaker 14: senior officers and senior public servants. This doesn't address any
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Speaker 14: of that.
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Speaker 3: Well, it's such a shame because something has to happen soon.
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Speaker 3: Retired Major General Mcryan, good to speak to you as always,
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Speaker 3: Thanks for very much for joining us on the show
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Speaker 3: this evening.
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Speaker 2: Well don't go anywhere.
44:03
Speaker 3: Coming up after the break, Victorian Labor lifts taxes again,
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Speaker 3: this time hitting every new home with an eleven thousand
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Speaker 3: dollar bill.
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Speaker 2: David Southwick will join me next Welcome back.
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Speaker 3: Well in Victoria, the Allen government is putting even more
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Speaker 3: pressure on the housing crisis, forcing developers this time to
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Speaker 3: pay more than eleven thousand dollars in tax on every
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Speaker 3: new apartment under new planning laws.
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Speaker 2: Make that make sense.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now is the newly appointed Victorian Shadow Minister
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Speaker 3: for Planning and Housing and Building, David Southwick. David Good
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Speaker 3: to catch up. Look, can you try and explain this
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Speaker 3: scheme to us? Does this not just make housing more unaffordable?
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Speaker 14: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Bang on Thursday. Great to be with you, an Anka.
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Speaker 17: This government thinks the only way to fix the housing
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Speaker 17: crisis is to tax people into a new home.
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Speaker 11: It just doesn't make any sense.
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Speaker 17: We know in Melbourne CBD we've got closes to eighteen
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Speaker 17: thousand homes that are permitted and not being built because
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Speaker 17: they just don't stack up. People can't afford to build them.
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Speaker 17: And so what the government's now doing is saying we
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Speaker 17: want everybody to live in high rise forget about choice.
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Speaker 17: So we're going to build skytowers and hope that people
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Speaker 17: live in them. And for every apartment that's built, there'll
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Speaker 17: be another eleven thousand dollar tax to help value capture
45:17
Speaker 17: so they can add more amenity into the area. So
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Speaker 17: of course the developer is going to pass that on
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Speaker 17: to the person buying their first home and it just
45:25
Speaker 17: makes it more affordable, and the numbers simply not stacking up.
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Speaker 17: But it's just a crazy idea. But on top of that,
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Speaker 17: they're saying that not only we expecting everyone to live
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Speaker 17: in a high rise, but also don't want anyone to
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Speaker 17: drive a car, So all of these apartments that are
45:39
Speaker 17: being built will have dispensation not to have any car
45:42
Speaker 17: parking in them. So again, all that's going to lead
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Speaker 17: to more congestion and people parking on the street if
45:47
Speaker 17: they can get a car park at all.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, does the Allen government just think commuters are going
45:51
Speaker 3: to magically appear at the train station? I mean, I
45:55
Speaker 3: just it's so ill fought out. Another ill fought out
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Speaker 3: steam David. We haven't spoken to you in a few weeks.
46:01
Speaker 3: Of Victorian Liberals of course, recently appointed Jess Wilson as
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Speaker 3: leader of the party. What do you think of her
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Speaker 3: first few weeks at the helm? Is she the right
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Speaker 3: person to take you to the election?
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Speaker 14: Yeah?
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Speaker 17: Look, she's really hit the ground running. It's great to
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Speaker 17: have a young mum with an economics background that really
46:18
Speaker 17: gets it and we need to as Liberals, we need
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Speaker 17: to start to be identifying with younger voters, with women
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Speaker 17: that understand the difficulties of everyday life. And Jess has
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Speaker 17: appointed a really good team.
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Speaker 1: She does get it.
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Speaker 17: The Premier at the moment, he is spending all of
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Speaker 17: her time on us and attacking us, which just shows
46:38
Speaker 17: that we've got the government rattled at the moment, and
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Speaker 17: so they should be. I mean, this is the worst
46:42
Speaker 17: government that we've ever seen. But I'm really excited in
46:46
Speaker 17: terms of what she's done. I was in police, as
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Speaker 17: you know, Brad Batten, the former police a police officer
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Speaker 17: that really does get policing. He's going to take that.
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Speaker 17: What Jess has done is she's assembled the team with
46:58
Speaker 17: real experience to ensure that we can compliment one another
47:03
Speaker 17: and really deliver a government that's going to have a
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Speaker 17: future for Victoria and restore confidence we desperately need. We've
47:09
Speaker 17: got to get Victoria back and we can't wait to
47:12
Speaker 17: do that.
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Speaker 14: Well.
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Speaker 2: Earlier this week the cabinet was reshuffled.
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Speaker 3: You're now the new shadow minister there for Housing as
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Speaker 3: we said, and development. Look, this is a big the
47:23
Speaker 3: housing is so important, not just you know, immigrations putting
47:26
Speaker 3: pressure on housing. Obviously, there's a cost of living crisis,
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Speaker 3: what will you do as part of this role.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, look, that's a really good question. So we've got
47:34
Speaker 17: to ensure that we provide the ability to build more homes.
47:39
Speaker 17: And when close to over forty percent of building a
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Speaker 17: home is in taxing, then we need to unlock those
47:48
Speaker 17: leads to ensure we get more homes built and projects
47:53
Speaker 17: do stack up, not more taxation. We've got to also
47:56
Speaker 17: provide choice for people because not everybody wants to live.
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Speaker 9: In a high rise.
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Speaker 17: Some of the growth codors great opportunities to be able to
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Speaker 17: get people into a house and land and raise a family.
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Speaker 17: So we'll be doing all of that and I'm working
48:09
Speaker 17: and I'll work with everybody right across the board to
48:11
Speaker 17: ensure we can attract developers, attract investors, and get some
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Speaker 17: of these projects that won't stack up at the moment,
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Speaker 17: get them, get them across the line so we can
48:21
Speaker 17: build the important stock that we need. We know that
48:24
Speaker 17: even there's the huge waiting lists in affordable housing, we
48:28
Speaker 17: have a huge crisis at the moment and that's playing
48:30
Speaker 17: out on the streets. Homelessness is a record high in
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Speaker 17: Victoria and that leads to all kinds of social problems
48:37
Speaker 17: which we're experiencing because people just can't afford a home.
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Speaker 17: We can't get them into one.
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Speaker 3: No, it's a big worry when you can't get every
48:43
Speaker 3: day I was into homes and now this was interesting.
48:46
Speaker 3: The Allen government will cut Victoria's public service by more
48:49
Speaker 3: than one thousand positions and deliver more than four billion
48:51
Speaker 3: dollars in savings as part of a plan to get
48:53
Speaker 3: its blows of bureaucracy and soaring debt under control. But
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Speaker 3: the Premier has rejected long awaited recommendations to cut two
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Speaker 3: thousand positions and instead save five billion. David, you know
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Speaker 3: she's rejected seven recommendations outright, accepting twenty seven and four
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Speaker 3: three and Part fifteen in principle.
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Speaker 2: Why not just agree to all of them?
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Speaker 17: Yeah, Look, I mean the fact that the Premier is
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Speaker 17: admitted to cut four billion shows that there's been fat
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Speaker 17: sitting there in the budget that's been wasted, tax paid
49:23
Speaker 17: money that's been wasted. If you take that money, four
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Speaker 17: to five billion dollars that would deliver up twelve thousand
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Speaker 17: affordable homes. Are ten hospitals, the equivalent of the Royal
49:32
Speaker 17: Children's Hospital. This is money that this government is wasting,
49:36
Speaker 17: is tossing down the drain because they can't manage a thing.
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Speaker 17: And I wanted to just show you something, Denika, A
49:41
Speaker 17: little gift for you. This plant. Right, So the government
49:46
Speaker 17: has been two hundred thousand dollars on plans for the
49:50
Speaker 17: suburban rail loop. Offices haven't even built the suburban rail loop,
49:56
Speaker 17: but they're renting plans for two hundred thousand dollars. Shows
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Speaker 17: you how incompetent this government is wasting taxpayers money. And
50:04
Speaker 17: you know what they should be adopting all of these policies.
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Speaker 17: We've got to ensure we get the budget back in control.
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Speaker 17: We're approaching two hundred billion dollars worth of debt every
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Speaker 17: single hour, two million dollars just to pay the interest
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Speaker 17: on the debt that this government's created.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just extraordinary when pop plants are now
50:22
Speaker 3: being used. I mean, where does it even begin? That
50:26
Speaker 3: we're almost out of time here. But I just want
50:28
Speaker 3: to ask you, is this just another election stunt by
50:30
Speaker 3: the premiere?
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Speaker 2: Realistically?
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Speaker 17: Look, let's see the proof is in the putting in
50:36
Speaker 17: terms of what the Premier is actually going to cut,
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Speaker 17: if at all. We've got to ensure that we live
50:43
Speaker 17: within our means. We don't do that in Victoria and
50:46
Speaker 17: we're all paying for it, So that goverment couldn't manage
50:49
Speaker 17: a chill gravel.
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Speaker 2: Clearly, definitely not.
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Speaker 3: David Southwick, nice to catch up, as always, appreciate your time,
50:55
Speaker 3: thanks for your company, stay with us. Paul Murray is next.
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Speaker 2: Good night,