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Mega Edition: Chad Daybell Trial (Part 31) (10/25/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. Day
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  Speaker 1: number 31 of the Chad Daybell trial saw the jury
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  Speaker 1: get their instructions from the court, and now all that's
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  Speaker 1: left to do is wait on a verdict. So let's
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  Speaker 1: dive into day number 31, and let's recap what went down.
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  Speaker 1: This article was published by eastidahonews.com, and the author of
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  Speaker 1: this article is Nate Eaton. 9.49 a.m., in line outside
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  Speaker 1: the courtroom, Inside the Ada County Courthouse, people without tickets
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  Speaker 1: started lining up at 5 a.m. to try to get
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  Speaker 1: into closing arguments. Proceedings begin at 10 a.m. Larry and
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  Speaker 1: Kay Woodcock just walked by and entered the courtroom. Law
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  Speaker 1: enforcement officers from multiple agencies just walked into the courtroom. 9.52 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Spectators are now seated in the gallery. Idaho Attorney General
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  Speaker 1: Raul Labrador is in the courtroom. Many of the officers
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  Speaker 1: and deputies who testified are here. Chad Daybell is sitting
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  Speaker 1: next to John Pryor at the defense table. Prosecutors are
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  Speaker 1: at their table. Madison County Prosecuting Attorney Rob Wood did
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  Speaker 1: opening statements. My guest is Fremont County Prosecuting Attorney Lindsay
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  Speaker 1: Blake does closing arguments. 9.53 a.m. I'm sitting next to
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  Speaker 1: three jurors from the Lori Vallow trial, Tom Evans, Laura,
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  Speaker 1: who I interviewed a few weeks ago, and another lady
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  Speaker 1: who served on the jury. They have regularly attended Chad
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  Speaker 1: Daybell's trial since it started on April 10th. Jury selection
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  Speaker 1: for this trial began April 1st, over eight weeks ago.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what, just like with the Lori
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  Speaker 1: Vallow trial, not exactly my idea of fun. So I'll
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  Speaker 1: be very happy when this is over and done with,
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  Speaker 1: and we don't have to talk about Chad Daybell or
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  Speaker 1: Lori Vallow again for quite some time. 9.58 a.m. Over
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  Speaker 1: the past two months, prosecutors called 67 Witnesses six of
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  Speaker 1: whom were recalled to testify again. Defense called 11 witnesses.
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  Speaker 1: Six rebuttal witnesses were called. 10 a.m. Judge Boyce will
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  Speaker 1: read the jury 41 instructions before closing arguments. Last year,
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  Speaker 1: that took around an hour. Prosecution took an hour and
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  Speaker 1: 15 minutes last year for closing. Defense took about an hour.
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  Speaker 1: And then prosecution did a final closing that was around
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  Speaker 1: 20 minutes. 10.02 a.m. Boyce is on the bench. Jurors
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  Speaker 1: are being brought in. 10.05 a.m. Jurors are in their seats.
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  Speaker 1: Boyce says he will read the jury the instructions, and
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  Speaker 1: then parties will make closing arguments. Each of the jurors
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  Speaker 1: will have a copy of the instructions. They can follow
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  Speaker 1: along and make notes if they wish while Boyce reads,
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  Speaker 1: but there will be one set of original instructions that
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  Speaker 1: cannot be written on. 10.06 a.m. Instructions 1 through 12
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  Speaker 1: were previously read to jurors. Boyce won't read them all,
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  Speaker 1: but will read a few today. There are 41 total instructions.
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  Speaker 1: Boyce reads instruction number 3. It talks about the crime
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  Speaker 1: of conspiracy and jurors should only consider the evidence against
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  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell, not the co-conspirators. 10.07 a.m. Boyce reads instruction
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  Speaker 1: number five. The state must prove the crimes beyond a
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  Speaker 1: reasonable doubt. Boyce reads instruction number six. Defendant has a
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  Speaker 1: constitutional right not to be compelled to testify. 10.09 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Boyce reads instruction number 13. Jurors must follow all the
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  Speaker 1: rules and cannot ignore one or another. Voice reads instruction
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  Speaker 1: number 14. Jury is to decide facts from all the
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  Speaker 1: evidence presented in the case, including sworn testimony, exhibits and
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  Speaker 1: facts the party stipulated. Arguments and statements by lawyers are
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  Speaker 1: not evidence. 10.11 a.m. Instruction number 15. Defendant may be
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  Speaker 1: found guilty or not guilty of any of the charges.
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  Speaker 1: Instruction number 16. Evidence should not be used to prove
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  Speaker 1: defendant character. but should be considered for the limited purpose
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  Speaker 1: of proving defendant committed the crime. 10.12 a.m. Instruction number 17.
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  Speaker 1: Some exhibits were admitted in the trial as demonstrative exhibits.
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  Speaker 1: Jurors can review them on request. 10.13 a.m. Instruction number 18.
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  Speaker 1: This instruction deals with accomplices in a crime. Instruction number 19.
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  Speaker 1: This talks about willfully or not willfully committing a crime.
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  Speaker 1: Instruction number 20. Crime of conspiracy. involves an agreement involving
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  Speaker 1: two or more persons. 10.15 a.m. Instruction number 21. All
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  Speaker 1: parties of conspiracy need not enter into an agreement at
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  Speaker 1: the same time. Instruction number 22. Murder is killing of
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  Speaker 1: human beings with malice or forethought. Instruction number 23. Malice
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  Speaker 1: may be expressed or implied. 10.16 a.m. Instruction number 24.
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  Speaker 1: To obtain property means to bring about a transfer of
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  Speaker 1: a possession of the property. Instruction number twenty-five, an owner
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  Speaker 1: of property is any person who has a right to
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  Speaker 1: possession of the property superior to that defendant. Instruction number twenty-six,
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  Speaker 1: definition of what a person is. Twenty-seven, property is anything
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  Speaker 1: of value, including labor or services. Instruction number twenty-eight, defines
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  Speaker 1: when a person steals property or commits theft. Ten eighteen a.m.,
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  Speaker 1: instruction number twenty-nine, what is needed to prove the crimes
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  Speaker 1: involving Tylee Ryan. 10.22 a.m. Instruction number 30. Description of
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  Speaker 1: aiding and abetting participation in the crime must be proved
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  Speaker 1: beyond a reasonable doubt. 10.23 a.m. Instruction number 31. What
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  Speaker 1: the state must prove in order for the defendant to
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  Speaker 1: be found guilty of conspiracy to commit first-degree murder. 10.25 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Instruction number 32. Count four of the amended indictment contains
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  Speaker 1: a clerical error concerning the date of J.J. Vallow's death. 10.27 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Instruction number 33. What state must prove in order for
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  Speaker 1: a defendant to be found guilty of first-degree murder of J.J. Vallow? 10.28 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Instruction number 34. What the state must prove in order
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  Speaker 1: for a defendant to be found guilty of conspiracy to
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  Speaker 1: commit first-degree murder of Tammy Daybell? 10.32 a.m. Instruction number 35.
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  Speaker 1: What the state must prove in order for Chad Daybell
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  Speaker 1: to be found guilty of insurance fraud? 10.33 a.m. Instruction
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  Speaker 1: number 36. More about the insurance fraud charge and what
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  Speaker 1: must be proven. 10.34 a.m. Instruction number 37. In this case,
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  Speaker 1: you will return a verdict consisting of a series of questions.
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  Speaker 1: Although the questions on the verdict form are self-explanatory, I'm
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  Speaker 1: required to read them to you. Question number 1. Is
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  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell not guilty or guilty of conspiracy to commit
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  Speaker 1: first-degree murder of Tylee Ryan and Grand Theft by deception?
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  Speaker 1: Question number 2. Is Chad Daybell guilty? Not guilty or
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  Speaker 1: guilty of first-degree murder of Tylee Ryan. Question number three.
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  Speaker 1: Is Chad Daybell not guilty or guilty of conspiracy to
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  Speaker 1: commit first-degree murder of J.J. Vallow and grand theft by deception?
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  Speaker 1: Question number four. Is Chad Daybell not guilty or guilty
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  Speaker 1: of first-degree murder of J.J. Vallow? Question number five. Is
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  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell not guilty or guilty of conspiracy to commit
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  Speaker 1: first-degree murder of Tammy Daybell? Question number six. Is Chad
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  Speaker 1: Daybell not Not guilty or guilty of first-degree murder of
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  Speaker 1: Tammy Daybell. Question seven. Is Chad Daybell not guilty or
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  Speaker 1: guilty of insurance fraud? Question number eight. Is Chad Daybell
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  Speaker 1: not guilty or guilty of grand theft? 10.37 a.m. Instruction
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  Speaker 1: number 38. Court is not expressing any opinions on the facts. 10.38 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Instruction number 39. Exhibits will be in jury room except
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  Speaker 1: the pickaxe, shovel, and tools. They're being kept elsewhere for safety.
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  Speaker 1: Exhibits can be looked at and reviewed. 1039 a.m. Instruction
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  Speaker 1: number 40. One of the jurors will be presiding officer.
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  Speaker 1: That person is to make sure discussion is orderly and
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  Speaker 1: every juror has a chance to express himself or herself.
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  Speaker 1: Verdict must be unanimous. 1040 a.m. Arguments and statements of
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  Speaker 1: attorneys are not evidence. If you remember facts differently than
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  Speaker 1: what attorneys say, go with what you remember. Attitude and
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  Speaker 1: conduct at the beginning of deliberations are very important for jurors. 10.42 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: That concludes reading of jury instructions. Lindsey Blake will present
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  Speaker 1: closing arguments. Blake asked to approach. 10.44 a.m. Boyce calls
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  Speaker 1: for a quick recess while the state sets something up
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  Speaker 1: for a closing argument. We'll be right back in 15 minutes.
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  Speaker 1: 11 a.m. Boyce is on the bench and jurors are
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  Speaker 1: in their seats. An easel has been set up in
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  Speaker 1: front of the jury box. 11.02 a.m. Lindsey Blake begins
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  Speaker 1: closing arguments. By playing jail phone calls between Chad and
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  Speaker 1: Lori on June 9th, 2020, the day JJ and Tylee
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  Speaker 1: were found. We see an overhead image of Chad Daybell's property.
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  Speaker 1: Chad says on the call, they are searching the property.
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  Speaker 1: Lori says, the house right now? Chad says, yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 1: at Emma's. 11.04 a.m. We now see photos of JJ, Tylee,
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  Speaker 1: and Tammy on the screen. Blake says this case was
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  Speaker 1: about money, power, and sex. Blake describes how Chad and
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  Speaker 1: Lori met at a conference. Lori was flirting. She came
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  Speaker 1: on to Chad, and Chad was receptive. 11.05 a.m. Blake
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  Speaker 1: says Lori and Chad were both married, and their spouses
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  Speaker 1: were alive and well. But Chad was Googling Lori. Blake
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  Speaker 1: says the jury heard about multiple probations, creations. It was
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  Speaker 1: a way to justify the affair to people around them,
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  Speaker 1: and maybe justify the affair to themselves. And I think
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of truth in that. Sometimes when you
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  Speaker 1: want to fool yourself, fake yourself out, cognitive dissonance is
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  Speaker 1: certainly the way to go. 11.06 a.m. Because they were
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  Speaker 1: married in previous lives, they said it was okay. Blake says,
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  Speaker 1: Chad was the one teaching. He was the one teaching
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  Speaker 1: these ideas and these concepts. He was sharing them with Lori. 11.07 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Blake reminds the jury that Chad and Lori went by
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  Speaker 1: different names. James. Elena, Raphael, and Lily. Or Scafusa and Stunad.
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  Speaker 1: Blake shows part of the James and Elena on the screen.
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  Speaker 1: A long-awaited make-out session took place in the lobby. He
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  Speaker 1: resisted an impulse to kiss her, but his entire body
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  Speaker 1: was on fire. Loin fire is used. Really? Loin fire?
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine these two disgustoids copulating? This was about
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  Speaker 1: the first meeting with Lori. 11.09 a.m. What is this about?
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  Speaker 1: He wants to have sex with her? He had to
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  Speaker 1: wait an entire month to see her? Blake talks about
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  Speaker 1: two positions Chad and Lori liked. This was about sex. 11.10 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Chad is still married as he's writing the story for Lori.
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  Speaker 1: Blake now shows a slide showing Chad's writing that James
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  Speaker 1: had served in an important position in the Lord's church.
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  Speaker 1: and Elena had been his beloved spouse and best friend.
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  Speaker 1: Chad's the one with information. He's the one with knowledge,
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  Speaker 1: and he's the one who shared it with others. 11.12 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Blake says, through all the communication and evidence, there was
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  Speaker 1: no indication ever that Chad ever intended to divorce or
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  Speaker 1: separate from Tammy, but he wants to be married to Lori.
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  Speaker 1: They would advance together as translated beings. 11.13 a.m. Blake
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  Speaker 1: shows the drawings Zulima Pastanis made, detailing multiple probations. Zulema
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  Speaker 1: made journal entries about Chad's teachings. The jurors seemed engaged
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  Speaker 1: with Blake, and a couple are writing notes. 11.14 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Common theme. Chad has the answers. Chad has the knowledge.
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  Speaker 1: Chad has the special ability. Blake says, In early 2019,
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  Speaker 1: Charles is deemed dark. Chad Daybell deemed Charles Vallow dark.
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  Speaker 1: He actually said he was possessed by an entity named
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  Speaker 1: Ned Schneider. Chad was Googling Ned Schneider in early 2019.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we're going to wrap up this first episode
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  Speaker 1: right here. And in the next episode, we're going to
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  Speaker 1: pick up where we left off. All of the information
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  Speaker 1: that goes with this episode can be found in the
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  Speaker 1: description box. What's up, everyone? And welcome back to the program.
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  Speaker 1: This episode, we're getting right back to it with day
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  Speaker 1: number 31 of the Chad Daybell trial. Once again, this
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  Speaker 1: article was published by EastIdahoNews.com. And the author of this
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  Speaker 1: article is Nate Eaton. 1113 a.m. Blake shows the drawings
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  Speaker 1: Zulema Pastanis made detailing multiple probations. Zulema made journal entries
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  Speaker 1: about Chad's teachings. The jurors seem engaged with Blake in
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  Speaker 1: a couple of writing notes. 11.14 a.m. Common theme. Chad
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  Speaker 1: had the answers. Chad had the knowledge. Chad has that
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  Speaker 1: special ability, Blake says. In early 2019, Charles is deemed dark.
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  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell deemed Charles Vallow dark. He actually said he
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  Speaker 1: was possessed by an entity named Ned Schneider. Chad was
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  Speaker 1: Googling Ned Schneider in early 2019. 11.15 a.m. Chad was
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  Speaker 1: sometimes at castings and prayer circles. To find out if
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  Speaker 1: a casting was successful, Laurie would call Chad. Ned was
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  Speaker 1: gone out of Charles after a casting. Chad taught that
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  Speaker 1: if a person was possessed, the body had to die.
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  Speaker 1: In order to set that person free, the body had
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  Speaker 1: to die. 11.16 a.m. Charles confronted Laurie about her affair
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  Speaker 1: with Chad. Around June 29th, 2019, Charles says he's going
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  Speaker 1: to email Tammy, and he does. Charles also emails Chad
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  Speaker 1: about the affair. On July 1st, Charles tells Lori he's
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  Speaker 1: going to meet with Tammy in person. Lori says, she
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  Speaker 1: won't talk to you, she's my friend. Lori and Chad
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  Speaker 1: were in constant communication with burner phones. 11.18am. Ten days
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  Speaker 1: after Charles threatens to go tell Tammy about the affair,
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  Speaker 1: Charles is shot and killed. Charles showed up to take
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  Speaker 1: JJ to school. Instead of taking his son to school,
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  Speaker 1: he wound up dead. Why? Charles was dark. Charles was
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  Speaker 1: a zombie. And if someone is a zombie, if someone
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  Speaker 1: is dark, the body has to die. 11.19 a.m. Zulema
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  Speaker 1: and Alex believe Chad 100%. No signs of grief or
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  Speaker 1: remorse from Lori after Charles died. Chad and Lori were
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  Speaker 1: in constant contact with each other. 11.21 a.m. Blake reminds
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  Speaker 1: the jury that Chad designated Alex as Lori's protector. Alex
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  Speaker 1: relished that role. He relished anything... having a purpose. He
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  Speaker 1: relished being part of it. Zulema asked Lori if Charles
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  Speaker 1: is a zombie, why are you back with him? Lori responded,
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  Speaker 1: I need to get my finances in order. 11.22 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: No remorse or grief after Charles died. Blake shows a
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  Speaker 1: text from Lori to Chad saying it was probably Ned
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  Speaker 1: before we got rid of him, referring to Charles changing
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  Speaker 1: the life insurance policy. Blake emphasizes the we. 11.23 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Seven days after Charles died, Chad texted Lori saying he
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  Speaker 1: feels extreme changes are coming for me, and I welcome them.
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  Speaker 1: Blake shows more texts between Chad and Lori in July. 11.24 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Blake references the pain tolerance text Chad sent to Lori
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  Speaker 1: about the children. Do you want me to cause pain
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  Speaker 1: yet to these two threes you're riding with? We'll at
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  Speaker 1: least give them a reason to scream. So all of
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  Speaker 1: this is just bad news for Chad Daybell, right? You're
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  Speaker 1: talking about causing these kids pain? And then they end
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  Speaker 1: up dying? And not only do they end up dying,
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  Speaker 1: they end up being buried in your backyard? Helicopters? Volcanoes?
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  Speaker 1: 1126 AM Blake refers to the text Chad sent Lori
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  Speaker 1: about being Harry Potter under the stairs and feeling trapped
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  Speaker 1: but permanent freedom is coming. Blake talks about Chad and
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  Speaker 1: Lori manipulating each other. 1126 AM Chad manipulated Lori with power.
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  Speaker 1: Lori was frustrated. Her husband's gone. Chad's wife is still alive.
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  Speaker 1: Chad and Tammy have five children. They have a grandchild.
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  Speaker 1: Chad's life is undisturbed, Blake says. 11.28 a.m. Lori manipulates
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  Speaker 1: Chad with sex. From the minute he met her, he
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  Speaker 1: wanted to be with her, and she knew it. A
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  Speaker 1: month after Charles died, Lori texted Chad about a perfectly
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  Speaker 1: orchestrated plan to take the children. Chad responds, there is
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  Speaker 1: a plan being orchestrated for the children. 11.29 a.m. Blake
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  Speaker 1: plays a clip of Lori talking to Chad from jail
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  Speaker 1: on June 8, 2020. The day before the kids were found.
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  Speaker 1: Lori wants reassurance from Chad that things will work out.
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  Speaker 1: Chad responds by saying, there's a marvelous plan and things
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  Speaker 1: will work out. Lori asks Chad how he knows. Chad responds,
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  Speaker 1: it's been shown to me. I've seen beautiful eyes. I've
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  Speaker 1: seen that wonderful body dance to heavenly songs. Your purpose
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  Speaker 1: is only beginning. It's hardly begun. Now, mind you, Lori
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  Speaker 1: Vallow's behind bars at this time. And this clown sitting
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  Speaker 1: here still pumping her tires full of air. 11.31 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Chad tells Lori some things won't be altered. Lori reaches
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  Speaker 1: out to Chad. She needs affirmations from him, Blake says. 11.32 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Chad tells Lori on August 10th, 2019, we're so close
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  Speaker 1: to the finish line. Lori texts Alex that they are
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  Speaker 1: close to getting to the bottom of what they need
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  Speaker 1: to do to eliminate zombies. Chad gave the information. 11.34 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Chad tells Lori he wants to be with her. This
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  Speaker 1: is the greatest hope and dream. Blake shows a timeline
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  Speaker 1: of Tylee Ryan's social security benefits deposit history. 11.35 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Blake references the blessings Chad gave to Alex and the
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  Speaker 1: fact Alex moved to Rexburg to be with Chad. Blake
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  Speaker 1: says Alex was taught that what he did in this
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  Speaker 1: life didn't matter because he had been exalted in another life. 11.37 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Lori's connection to Rexburg was Chad Daybell. Before she moved,
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  Speaker 1: Lori switched Tylee's Social Security money to go into an
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  Speaker 1: account only associated with Lori Vallow. This change was made
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  Speaker 1: on August 16, 2019. Lori and the kids moved to
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  Speaker 1: Idaho in early September. Before they moved to Rexburg, Chad
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  Speaker 1: told Lori that JJ and Tylee were both dark. 11.38 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Blake reminds jurors about Chad texting Lori concerning turning the
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  Speaker 1: pain up to 10 on Tylee. Later, Lori texts Chad,
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  Speaker 1: and asked him to check Tylee because she was being
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  Speaker 1: super sweet. 11.40 a.m. Blake tells the jurors about the
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  Speaker 1: trip Lori, Alex, and the kids took to Yellowstone. That
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  Speaker 1: same day, Chad was looking up south, southwest winds. It
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  Speaker 1: was the last time Tylee was seen alive. 11.42 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Blake shows Google location history for Alex and tells them
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  Speaker 1: the only time his device was at Lori's apartment in
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  Speaker 1: the early morning hours was on September 9th. Hours later,
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  Speaker 1: Alex went to Chad's property. 11.43 a.m. Blake reminds the
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  Speaker 1: jurors about the raccoon and limb debris burning message sent
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  Speaker 1: to Tammy on Monday, September 9th. Where was Tylee Ryan's
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  Speaker 1: body found? Chad Daybell's Pet Cemetery. Some of the remains
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  Speaker 1: in the fire pit. 11.44 a.m. Blake shows the last
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  Speaker 1: known picture of Tylee on the screen. There is little
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  Speaker 1: movement on the pic. Where was the young lady found?
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  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell's property. Next to the photo is the site
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  Speaker 1: on Chad Daybell's property where Tylee was found. 11.45 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Blake reminds the jurors about the condition of Tylee's remains
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  Speaker 1: and her DNA being found on a pickaxe and shovel
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  Speaker 1: in Chad's garage. 11.46 a.m. Tylee was now gone, but
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: JJ was still alive. Zulema visited Lori and asked Lori
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: where Tylee was. Don't ask, Lori responds. Lori continued to
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: receive social security payments following Tylee's death. 11.48 a.m. Blake
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: shows the text message Chad sent to Lori about J.J.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: getting close, and more text messages where Chad said J.J.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: was at zero. Chad determines the death percentages. When the
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: death percentage hits zero, that person has been marked for death,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Blake says. 11.49 a.m. Blake talks about the last time J.J.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: was seen alive, the night before he died. She recalls
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: David Warwick's nightmare and how Melanie Gibb tried to get
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: a hold of Chad or Lori for help, but they
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: did not respond. Blake shows a picture of JJ in
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: his red pajamas on the screen next to his burial site.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: JJ had been buried with his arms duct taped together,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: the duct tape running around from elbow to elbow. He
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: had duct tape over his mouth, A plastic bag over
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: his head and taped, wrapped around, Blake says. Chad labeled
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: them dark. Chad said his death percentage was at zero.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Chad said his plan was for him and Lori to
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: be together, unencumbered by earthly obstacles. 11.53 a.m. Chad labeled
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Lori's children dark. Their bodies were buried on his property,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: hidden from those looking for them. With them gone, he
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: could be with Lori, and knowing if the bodies weren't discovered,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Lori could continue to receive that money, Blake says. 11.55 a.m.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Melanie Pawlowski turned to Chad for guidance and direction. She
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: turned to him to find out if people were darker light,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Blake says. She reminds the jury about Brandon Boudreau and
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: him being shot at in Arizona. 11.56 a.m. Blake reminds
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: the jury about Tammy Daybell traveling to Utah by herself
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: on October 14th, 2019. She didn't like to drive alone.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Chad was supposed to go with her, but he backed out.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: When Tammy went to Utah, Lori told Alex that she
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: and Chad were finally going to be able to go
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: on a real date. 11.58 a.m. Samantha Gwilliam, Tammy's sister,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: reported Tammy looked just fine when she arrived in Utah.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Tammy put on a clogging routine and visited with her family.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Samantha and her husband Jason had noticed changes with Chad
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: before this visit. He was distant and Chad was awkward.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: 12 p.m. Later, Tammy and Chad visited Samantha's house with
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: a birthday gift late at night. Chad didn't get out
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: of the car, which was unusual. Blake shows text messages
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: from Chad to Lori about death percentages and Tammy being
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: very close. 12.01 p.m. Blake shows text messages to the
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: jury from Chad to Lori saying there is big news
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: about Tammy and Tammy has been switched. 12.02 p.m. Blake
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: reminds jurors about Alex Cox visiting Sportsman's Warehouse. and the
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: movements of his device on the night Tammy was shot
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: at in the driveway. Blake tells jurors multiple searches were
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: done on the Homer J. Maximus account concerning AR, shooting
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: through Dodge Dakota, shooting through the windshield, etc. 12.05 p.m.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Blake talks about the casting ceremony on October 9, 2019
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: at 9.15 p.m. When the group of ladies gathered with
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Lori to cast the evil spirit out of Tammy, that
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: night Lori got a call and was furious. That idiot
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: can't do anything right. This was the same night Tammy
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: was shot at in her driveway. 12.08 p.m. Blake goes
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: through the timeline of the night of the shooting and
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Fremont County Deputy Coulter Cannon's report. Cannon wrote that Joseph
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Murray heard his mother-in-law scream. Joe then called 911. Tammy
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: sent an email to Mark on his mission about the incident. 12.09 p.m.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Blake reminds the jury that earlier that day, Alex had
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: purchased items at the store, including a ski mask, pants, etc.,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: The gun misfired and Alex searched online about how to
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: shoot an AR in the cold. 12.10pm. Tammy was scared.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Tammy sent a Facebook message warning people. In her email
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: to Mark, Tammy said, The scared part came later when
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I realized what could have happened. I didn't want to
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: go outside again the next night after dark. Tammy had
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: no idea someone wanted her dead, Blake says. And why
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: would she know that, right? Regular old lady librarian doing
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: clogging classes? Who's looking to clip her? Well, Chad Daybell
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: and Lori Vallow, that's who. 12.12 p.m. Blake shows the
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: text Chad sent to Lori the day after Tammy died.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I'm feeling sad, but it isn't for the reason everyone thinks.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: A photo on the screen showing the bedroom where Tammy
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: was found dead. 12.13 p.m. Blake plays the 911 call
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: to Chad crying and saying, oh, oh, she's frozen. The
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: message to Lori was sent 24 hours later. 12.14pm. Blake
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: reminds jurors of when Lori was in Hawaii. Alex drove
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: her to Las Vegas to take her to the airport.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Alex was supposed to go with him, but Alex didn't
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: go because Chad needed help with something. Tammy was possessed
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: and her death percentage was low. Alex believed Chad 100%,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Blake says. 12.16pm. Blake walks through the timeline of events
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: the night Tammy died. She shows a map of the
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Google location history of the Homer J. Maximus account. Blake
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: reminds jurors that Garth Daybell told his friend at work
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: a conflicting story about finding his mom dead and his
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: dad was nowhere to be found. 12.18 p.m. Nothing in
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Tammy's medical records support low blood pressure, seizures, negative reactions
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: with homeopathic medicines. Those were statements provided by Chad Daybell,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Blake says. 12.20 p.m. Tammy died on Saturday in Rexburg.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: The funeral was held in Springville, Utah on Tuesday. Chad
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: just wanted to get it over with. Blake says Chad
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: didn't want his name on the headstone. Chad's talk was
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: disturbing at the funeral. He spoke about Tammy's depression and
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: how she's hard to work with. 12.21 p.m. Blake shows
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: the timeline of text messages between October 18th and 19th, 2019.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: We now see an image of Tammy, and next to
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: her is her casket in the ground. Blake reminds the
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: jurors about the life insurance policy that was changed before
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Tammy died. 12.23 p.m. Days after Tammy's death, Chad went
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: to visit with Alice and Todd Gilbert. Chad later brought
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Lori over to meet his friends. They spoke about their future.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Chad and Lori were asked about kids. Chad responded that
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Lori had a daughter who died. Tylee had not been
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: found yet. 12.25 p.m. Blake's been talking for an hour
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: and 22 minutes. She shows the wedding photo of Chad
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: and Lori's wedding rings. One juror appears to be fighting
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: to stay awake. 12.27 p.m. Blake talks about Rexburg police
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: responding to Lori's apartment in November of 2019 to do
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: a welfare check on JJ. Blake shows a clip of
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Lori telling the officers that JJ was with Melanie Gibb
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: in Arizona and they were going to Frozen 2. 12.28 p.m.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: The police body camera footage is being shown of Lori
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: telling police that Alex is her protector and everyone is
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: causing her trouble. Lori says her daughter is going to BYU, I,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: and Chad is her brother's friend. 12.30 p.m. Blake plays
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: the phone call Melanie Gibb made to Chad and Lori
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: where she confronted them about the whereabouts of JJ. Lori
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: told Melanie she didn't want anyone to know so JJ
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: can be safe. 12.32 p.m. Blake reminds the jury how
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: JJ was found, discarded, in Chad's backyard. Blake plays the
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: call from Jason William about the kids. Lori tells Jason
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: a bunch of people are starting trouble for no reason. 12.33 p.m.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Blake tells jurors that Chad determined death percentages, who was possessed,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: and when people were possessed, they had to die. She
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: plays a clip of Jason talking to Chad and Lori. 12.36 p.m.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Blake reminds the jurors about calls that Ian recorded. Chad
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: and Lori told Ian and Melanie that some disciples were dark.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Blake shows more text messages between Lori to Chad. 12.37 p.m.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: We see the photos of Chad and Alex standing next
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: to pictures of Jesus Christ. Blake plays part of the
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: patriarchal blessing Chad gave to Alex, with Chad telling Alex
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: that he is his sister's protector. 12.39 p.m. Blake tells
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: the jury that Chad was a self-appointed leader of the
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Church of the Firstborn. She plays the clip of the
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: blessings where Chad tells Alex he could never be repaid
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: for all he has done for them. Chad tells Alex
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: he will begin his terrestrial phase of his existence and
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: will move forward as a true warrior. 12.42 p.m. Blake
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: explains how the experts reach their conclusions on determining Tammy's
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: cause of death and manner of death. Chad told people
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: different things regarding Tammy's death. Blake shows Chad inconsistent statements
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: regarding the death on the screen. 12.45 p.m. Blake says
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: once the kids and Tammy were gone, Chad and Lori
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: could have power, money, and sex. Chad and Lori never
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: came forward with information on the whereabouts of the kids.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: 1247 p.m. Blake shows the last photo, Tylee and JJ.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: It's next to another photo showing the burial site of Tylee.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Tylee had a whole life ahead of herself, Blake says.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: She shows a picture of JJ, and next to the
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: picture is his burial site. 1249 p.m. Blake reminds the
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: jurors what a conspiracy is, an agreement between two or
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: more persons to commit a crime. Only one of those
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: persons has to commit an overt act. 12.51 p.m. Blake
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: lists several of the overt acts committed by Lori. Blake
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: says Lori and Chad used religious beliefs to justify their actions.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Blake reminds jurors about burner phones, text messages, Chad increasing
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: life insurance, firearms, and more. 12.55 p.m. Blake tells the
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: jury all Chad had to do was advise, encourage, plan
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: the murder to be found guilty of the murder charge.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Blake shows photos of Tylee, JJ, and Tammy on the screen.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: She says they all became dark. And we know what happened. 12.57 p.m.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: All three victims gone too soon. Blake's final words. Total time,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: one hour, 54 minutes. Boyce says we are recessing for lunch.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Be back with the defense closings at 2 p.m. All right,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: so we're going to wrap up here. And in the
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: next episode, we're going to finish off day number 31
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: of the Chad Daybell trial. All the information that goes
• 29:26
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• 29:30
  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. This
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: episode we're going to finish off day number 31 of
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: the Chad Daybell trial. And to do that, once again,
• 29:40
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• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Nate Eaton. 1.56 p.m. Back in the courtroom after lunch,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell just walked in. He has an ankle monitor
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: on his leg. He is sitting next to John Pryor.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Prosecutors are at their table. There is nobody in the
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: gallery in support of Chad. Larry and Kay Woodcock are
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: in the courtroom. 2.01 p.m. Voices on the bench. Jurors
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: are being brought into the courtroom. 2.02 p.m. Jurors have
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: been seated. Defense attorney John Pryor will begin his closing argument. 2.04 p.m.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Pryor says he has 15 slides and won't be too long.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: I promise you this isn't going to take two hours,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: he says. The first slide says a criminal case is
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: like a chain. Each link represents an aspect of the case. 2.05 p.m.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Pryor reminds the jury the entire burden is on the state,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: and the state must prove every element beyond a reasonable doubt.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: He says the state must prove that there was an
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: agreement between the co-conspirators. The state has to prove that
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell was with Lori Vallow, Alex Cox, or other co-conspirators,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: and they entered into some sort of an agreement to
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: kill the children and to kill Tammy Daybell. Well, yeah,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: that's the exact argument that's been made, and that's the
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: evidence that's been shown. And I don't think anyone who's
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: even halfway reasonable could look at the evidence, hear the evidence,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: and not realize that Chad Daybell is guilty of conspiracy.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Because that's exactly what the evidence has shown us. 2.07 p.m.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Pryor talks about the crime of conspiracy. It can't be
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: an agreement that we have consistent religious beliefs, Pryor says.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: The extra step in the agreement has to be we're
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: going to kill these children. We're going to agree to
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: kill Tammy Daybell, Pryor explains. You can hear all the
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: testimony in the world about dark spirits, light and dark,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: death percentages. And then Pryor reminds the jury about text
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: messages between Chad and Tammy about death percentages. 2.09 p.m.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Pryor says there was an enormous amount of evidence here.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: He references his expert and the six terabytes of information
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: he references. Pryor says you've been shown a handful of
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: messages and there were thousands and thousands of other messages
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: that talked about religious beliefs and other topics. 2.10pm. Pryor
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: says text messages are often misconstrued. At no time did
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: the prosecutor show you a text message that said, let's
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: kill the kids. Let's kill Tammy. Pryor calls Chad a
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: gatherer of the 144,000, and he wanted to gather people.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: The sick, the elderly, the children, the impoverished, those that
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: can't handle for themselves. Oh yeah, a modern day Jesus
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: fucking Christ. Is that really what you're trying to pitch us, Mr. Pryor?
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Because I'm not buying it, nobody who's listening is buying it,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: and the jury is not buying it. 2.12pm. Pryor says
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if you agree with Chad. Death percentages,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: light and dark, it doesn't matter. Chad's entitled to his beliefs.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Pryor says everybody has beliefs and they aren't all rational. Yeah, well,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: we all don't kill kids. We all don't kill our wives.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: And we all don't run away to Hawaii to be
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: with our skafooza. 2.13pm Pryor says for years Chad was
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: writing books about things he was passionate about. He became
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a celebrity. Pryor says he doesn't
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: want to become a celebrity. He's had enough at this point.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Chad went to the conferences and talked about his premonitions
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: and things that he could predict. 2.15pm You don't get
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: to the overt acts. You don't get to all of
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: the things the prosecutor has said about all the things
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: these people have done. until you establish that Chad Daybell,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: by evidence and testimony, has shown there has been an
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: agreement between him, Lori, him and Alex, or anyone else,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Pryor says. Well, that's what the evidence has shown us.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Is this guy for real right now? And then he's
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: going to try and frame it like Chad's being targeted
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: because of his goofy beliefs. Yeah, okay, sure. That's exactly
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: what's going on here. 2.16 p.m. Pryor says Chad had
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: traditional Mormon beliefs, and it's not a crime if you
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: have beliefs. Sure, you can believe whatever you want, but
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: if you act out on those beliefs, there's repercussions. 2.17 p.m.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Pryor points to the prosecution and says they have not
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: established an agreement. Pryor says Chad espoused religious beliefs, but
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: there was no argument between Chad and the co-conspirators. Unless
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: there's an agreement to commit a crime, you can talk
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: all day long about your religious beliefs. 2.19 p.m. Pryor
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: talks about the Googling of the South Southwest winds the
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: day before Tylee was buried And says Emma Murray testified
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: she Googled it, not Chad. Well, we don't believe Emma.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: How about that? I said before I think she impeached herself.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: So what do you even mean right now? Talk about
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: an unreliable narrator. Pryor reminds the jury that he called
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Officer Duncan from Arizona to the stand. Duncan said the
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: prosecutor in Arizona says there was no reasonable likelihood of
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: conviction for Chad Daybell and Charles Vallow's homicide. Oh, well,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: isn't that nice? 221 p.m. Pryor says all Chad did
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: before the attempted shooting of Brandon Boudreau was Chad carrying
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: a Jeep tire and that he isn't connected to the shooting. Fact,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell was not invited with Charles Vallow. Fact, Chad
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Daybell was not implicated with Brandon Boudreau. Fact, Chad Daybell
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: espoused religious beliefs. Where is the agreement? Where is the agreement?
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: It's not there. 2.23 p.m. Pryor, we don't speculate. We
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: do not engage in conjecture. We do not guess facts
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: and evidence. Facts and evidence. 2.24 p.m. Pryor tells the
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: jury to remember the judge's instructions, rely on their memory,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: not on what the lawyers say. If they say something
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: different than what you remember, you rely on your notes.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: You rely on your memory, Pryor says, pointing to the prosecutors. 2.25 p.m.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Pryor reminds the jury the defendant never has to prove
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: his innocence and he does not have to speak. They
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: have the burden to prove there was an agreement. They
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: have the duty to prove Chad in some way was
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: involved in the murder, Pryor says, referring to the prosecutors. 2.26 p.m.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Pryor explains juror instruction number five, reasonable doubt. He tells
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: the jurors if they don't know which way this is
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: supposed to go, the verdict is not guilty. And under
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: our system of justice, it has to be not guilty.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Pryor references the teachers and principal and everyone else who
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: was dragged in to testify about Tammy's health. He tells
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: the jury to use common sense. 2.29 p.m. If you
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: have doubt about what happened here, the verdict has to
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: be not guilty. That's what the law says, Pryor says. 2.30 p.m.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: There has not been any evidence saying we're going to
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: kill the kids. We're going to kill Tammy, Pryor says.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: There was talk about a plan, 144,000 building a village
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: for the sick, etc. It wasn't a plan to kill folks.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: It was a plan to gather by a traditional Mormon. 2.32 p.m.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Pryor talks about jury instruction number 8 and 18. He
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: points to the last sentence of number 18. Mere presence at,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: acquiescence in, or silent consent to the planning and commission
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: of a crime is not sufficient to make one an accomplice.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Pryor reminds the jury there has to be an agreement. 2.35 p.m.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Pryor tells jurors to listen to the testimony of Jason
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: William and the call he recorded between him, Chad, and Lori.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Lori told Jason to refer... Law enforcement to their family attorney. 2.36 p.m.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Chad didn't know where the kids were. Chad didn't know
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: where the kids were until that faithful day on June
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: 9th when the kids were found on his property, Pryor says.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Pryor says Lori Vallow was selling the plan that the
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: kids were fine and nobody else knew where they were.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: That was the dupe on Chad Daybell. The kids were fine.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: It's all going to be cleared up. So they did
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: throw Lori under the bus here at the end. I
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: was waiting for that to happen. and they were doing
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: it a little bit throughout the trial, but here, they're
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: throwing her directly under the bus and saying it was
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: all Lori Vallow. Guess what? Not gonna work. 2.37 p.m.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Pryor apologizes that he's running long. I didn't mean to
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: go on this long, he says. Pryor references the police
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  Speaker 1: body camera footage with Detective Ron Ball in November of 2019,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: where Lori says she's planning to move in with her
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: friend Melanie Gibb. 2.40 p.m. Pryor, again, says there was
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: no agreement between Chad and the co-conspirators. 2.42 p.m. Pryor
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: shows a slide displaying jury instruction number 20. It talks
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: about the crime of conspiracy and there needing to be
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: an agreement. Pryor wants to talk about two exhibits. The
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: first picture is of the tools in the garage. Pryor
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: says the first picture of the shovel shows there aren't
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: any scuff marks. He says the second picture, taken later
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: in the day, shows scuff marks. 2.45 p.m. Pryor refers
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: to Officer Schmidt's testimony. Grab some shovels and start digging.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: How do we know he's telling the truth? Pryor tells
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: jurors to review the pictures of the shovels and says
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: the police used Chad Daybell's shovels while they were looking
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: for Tylee and JJ. Magically, we get a pickaxe and
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: another shovel, and guess what? Surprisingly, of the 18 tools,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: not a drop of DNA of Chad Daybell is on
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  Speaker 1: any of the tools. Well, that's because he coerced Alex
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Cox into doing his killing. It's no different than if
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: a mafia boss sends a hitman to go kill someone, right?
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: They conspired to murder insert person here. And if you're
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: involved in that and you're the one giving the orders,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: my friend, you're just as guilty. 2.46 p.m. Pryor talks
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: about motive and says Alex Cox shot Charles Vallow. He
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: says there were two expendable people who witnessed the murder
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: of Charles Vallow, Tylee Ryan and J.J. Vallow. They became
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: expendable because the one thing they could cause Alex Cox
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: to spend the rest of his life or far worse
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: in Arizona is a 16-year-old girl and an autistic 7-year-old
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: little boy. Chad Daybell was not charged in that crime. 2.48 p.m.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Pryor says Lori Vallow cared about money, Lori Vallow and
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Alex Cox. He talks about Lori trying to get her
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: greedy hands on money. And the next victim, husband number five,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: referring to Chad Daybell. Just get insurance. Just say it's
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: me and you. Pryor says Chad usually drove the Dodge
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Dakota and the target of the gunman was not Tammy Daybell.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: He was the target, pointing at Chad. Wow, that is something, huh?
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Pryor really going for the gusto here and going for broke.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: So Chad Daybell's the victim in this whole story? Okay,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: I'm sure the jury's gonna love that. 2.51 p.m. Alex
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Cox had motive. Alex Cox would be either spending the
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: rest of his life in prison or far worse, fade
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: if JJ or Tylee opened their mouth and said anything,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Pryor says. 2.53 p.m. Pryor says Dr. Christensen, the man
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: who did the autopsy on Tammy in Utah, never called
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Chad and Tammy's kids. Pryor talks about confirmation bias and
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: all in the audience with the suits referring to the police.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what they did. Pryor says Melanie Gibb and
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: David Warwick were ignored. They did nothing. Referring to the
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: police not investigating Gibb and Warwick. 2.55 p.m. Pryor says
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Melanie Gibb was trying to cover her tracks and all
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: these religious teachings came from Melanie Gibb. He references how
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Chad's phone had zero location data. 2.58 p.m. Pryor talks
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: about September 9th. The same cast of characters, same people.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Alex Cox, Lori Vallow, Tylee Ryan. Pryor references the raccoon text.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: and how there was no location to show where Chad was.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Earlier in the day, yeah, he shot a raccoon. Then
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: he started a small fire and burned some limbs. We
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: know he shot a raccoon, Pryor says. Referring to Reagan
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Price's testimony, a neighbor, the earlier that morning, she heard
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: a gunshot. 3 p.m. Pryor mentions Dr. Bartolink's testimony, the
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: guy who researched how much it takes to burn a body.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Where was the bonfire on September 9th? There was no bonfire.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: It wasn't there. I can't prove to you where Alex
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Cox burned the body, but the body was burned as
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: a whole, Pryor says. 3.02 p.m. You can't say the
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: police didn't try. They brought out a bulldozer. They made
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: an effort to find whatever they could find, but they
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: couldn't find all the pieces. The question remains is this.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: If Alex Cox put the body in the ground and
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: put Quikrete to cover up the burial, when did the
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: carnivore bite take place? When did we get the carnivore
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: bite if Alex Cox took the body directly from his apartment?
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: brought it to Chad's like they're suggesting, threw it in
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: the ground. When did the carnivore bite take place? Pryor
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: says Alex Cox murdered Tylee Ryan and Lori Vallow knew
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: what was going on. Yeah, so did Chad Daybell. He
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: was in on it, stupid. 3.04 p.m. Pryor says Alex
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: burned Tylee's body somewhere in Fremont or Madison County and
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: then put it in the ground. He says Lori's intent
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: was to finish off husband number five. Pryor says, pointing
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: to Chad, and then says Lori tried to set Chad up.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Alex Cox is a murderer, and he is not shy
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: about shooting people. He shot at Brandon Boudreau, he murdered
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Charles Vallow, and Chad Daybell was next. 3.07 p.m. Pryor
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: says Alex was going to kill Chad next. He refers
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: to text messages between Melanie Gibb and Rod Wood, including
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: one exchange Melanie Gibb had with Keith Morrison about Melanie's
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: intent to protect the church. Why is Melanie Gibb telling
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: a prosecutor in a criminal case that we need to
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: protect the church, Pryor says? 3.09 p.m. Pryor lists people
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: who Chad said were dark. Heather Daybell, Detective Hermosillo, Samantha Gwilliam.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: They were all dark, but they're not dead. Chad was
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: the target. This author writes and talks about uncomfortable things.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: But he has every right to talk about it, and
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: you cannot hold it against him because you don't like
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: the topic. So much for not going long, huh? So,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: stupid-ass Pryor here tries to, you know, get a shot
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: in at the prosecution in the beginning. Oh, well, I'm
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: not going to take this long time that the prosecution took, blah, blah, blah. Meanwhile,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: here he is rambling on about a bunch of bullshit. 3.11 p.m.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Pryor lists his experts on the screen. Dr. Raven, Dr. Bartolink,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Patrick Eller, and Dr. Hampikian. 3.13 p.m. Pryor talks with
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: the jury about Dark and Light, cashing, and Chad being
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: a traditional Mormon. Pryor says Chad can go off into
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: a 35 or 40 minute patriarchal prayer and still don't
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: even know what he's talking about. Chad smiles and shakes
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: his head. 3.15pm. Pryor tells the jury that silence cannot
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: be used against Chad. You can't do that. If he
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: chooses not to talk, you can't even consider that, Pryor says. 3.17pm.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Pryor wants to talk about Tammy and the Fitbit. You
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: heard from Emma and Garth that their mother wasn't doing
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: that great. Pryor tells the jury they can't speculate about
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Tammy's health. 3.19pm, Pryor says Melanie Gibb waited 10 days
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: to tell the police that she knew where JJ was.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: He calls Zulema Pastanis another complainer, married to the murderer
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: of JJ Vallow, married to the murderer of Tylee Ryan,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: married to the murderer of Charles Vallow, and married to
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: the attempted murderer of Brandon Boudreau. Well, all that's true,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: because Alex Cox is a dirtbag scumbag son of a bitch.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: And I've told you since the very beginning that he's
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: the one that actually did the wet work. 3.22 p.m.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Pryor says, Tammy got the bruises on her arms and
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: chest from carrying books at the book fair. There was
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: no asphyxiation here. This was not a homicide. 3.23 p.m.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: These officers failed this investigation. They absolutely failed in their
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: investigation looking up the facts of this case. If there
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: is reasonable doubt, and there is reasonable doubt, you must
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: return a verdict of not guilty. I'm respectfully asking all
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: of you to return a verdict of not guilty. Prior
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: as done, his total time was an hour and 19 minutes. 3.25 p.m.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: We're taking a 15-minute recess before Lindsay Blake does rebuttal,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: closing arguments. 3.49 p.m. Back in the courtroom. Boyce is
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: on the bench and the jurors are being brought in. 3.50 p.m.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Lindsay Blake will offer a rebuttal. She begins by talking
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: about jury instructions. Instruction number 18, aiding and abetting is defined.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: as before or during the commission, intentionally aiding, assisting, encouraging, counseling, inviting, helping,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: or hiring another to commit a crime. If you find
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: any of those acts occurred, when we are talking about
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: first degree and conspiracy, you don't have to find the
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: defendant actually committed the physical act to end someone's life.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: You have to find that the defendant did one of
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: those things. 3.53 p.m. The state absolutely recognizes we have
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: the burden of proof in this case. We told you
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: that in the beginning. We're not shying away from that.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: It's our burden, Blake says. 3.55 p.m. Blake says a
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: conspiracy requires a plan to commit a crime, and one
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: of the actors commits one overt act. Not every actor
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: needs to commit the act, and not every act has
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: to be committed. 3.54 p.m. Conspirators need not agree on
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: every detail. The agreement may be established in any manner
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: sufficient to show an understanding with the parties, Blake says,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: reading from the rules. 3.55 p.m. Blake says there doesn't
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: have to be a written agreement. It can be implied. 3.57 p.m.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Blake mentions Detective Mattingly trying to show autopsy results to
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Emma Daybell Murray. He told her she didn't have to
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: do an interview. They could just show him to her. 3.58 p.m.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Blake reminds the jury of Jason William testifying that Chad
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: told him, my kids know how to keep a secret. 3.59 p.m.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Blake talks about Chad not facing charges. In relation to
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Brandon Boudreau and Charles Vallow, Blake says he's not on
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: trial for those crimes, but Brandon and Charles were both
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: labeled dark by Chad. 4 p.m. Lori and Alex weren't
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: the ones labeling people dark in the messages. Lori and
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Alex weren't the ones assigning death percentages, Blake says. Chad was. 4.04 p.m.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Blake reminds jurors about Chad Daybell's house having an upstairs
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: and the recording of Chad and Emma chatting with each
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: other when he was in the backseat of a police
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: car on June 9th. Blake says Alex isn't just on
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: the property the day JJ was buried. He was in
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: the actual spot where JJ was buried. 4.07 p.m. Blake
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: reminds the jury of the recordings Ian Polowski made with
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: his new wife, Lori and Chad. On one of the recordings,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: they're upset that Melanie Gibb is going to police. 4.09 p.m.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Blake reminds JJ and Tylee were both last seen after
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: it was confirmed that Lori was receiving their Social Security payments.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Chad's the one who determined someone was dark. Chad's the
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: one who determined death percentages. The kids were buried on
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Chad's property. 4.10 p.m. Blake says there were never any
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: reports made to the sheriff's office that Chad was afraid
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: of Alex Cox. After Alex Cox shot Chad, Chad was
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: back in Arizona visiting with Alex and Lori. Chad gave
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Alex a blessing. 4.13 p.m. Blake reminds the jury that
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Emma testified. Her dad told her the kids were safe.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: He tells the jury that Dr. Raven, the defense expert,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: didn't review medical records or other records while the state's
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: witnesses reviewed records. 4.15 p.m. Blake reminds jurors that for conspiracy,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: there is no requirement that the defendant committed a physical
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: act to end the life. 4.18 p.m. Blake tells the
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: jurors law enforcement did not have on blinders. They went
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: where the evidence led and followed up on lots of tips.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: The kids were found dead in his yard and Tammy
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: was found dead in the house. You go where the
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: evidence leads. 4.18 p.m. People that Chad labeled zombies were obstacles,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Blake says. The people he could get financial gain from
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: would die. Zombies is designated by Chad. Blake references the
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: messages Pryor referred to and says they're messages that resulted
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: in three people dying. 4.20 p.m. Blake shows a text
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: message between Chad and Lori on the screen where Chad
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: said relatives were obstacles. 4.23 p.m. Blake plays part of
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: the patriarchal blessing Chad gave to Alex. Alex had already
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: helped him in ways they could never repay. Blake emphasizes
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: after she stops playing. 4.24 p.m. Chad says who's dark.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Chad says whose death percentages are what and three bodies
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: are located on his property. Three obstacles that were in
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: their way, Blake says. She then plays a clip of
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: Chad in the backseat of the police car where he says,
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: I'm not coming back. 4.25 p.m. The recording was made
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: on the same day Tylee and JJ were found on
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: the property. I ask you to hold the state to
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: our burden. Review the jury instructions. Apply common sense. Review
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: the testimony and evidence. Thank you. Total time of rebuttal
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: was 35 minutes. 4.26 p.m. Boyce will now draw numbers
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: of the alternate jurors. It will be random. Their service
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: isn't over in case a juror becomes sick or cannot serve.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: The alternates will also be sequestered. 4.28 p.m. Clerk draws
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: the five numbers of the alternates. Six men. Sixteen women.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: 18 woman, 17 man, 13 woman. 4.30 p.m. All jurors
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: will be sequestered, including the alternates. Three bailiffs were sworn
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: in yesterday to serve the juror, and three additional bailiffs
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: will be sworn in now. Clerks, where's the men? 4.31 p.m.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: Jurors have left the courtroom. Boyce tells attorneys they need
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: to stay close in case there's a verdict or a
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: question from the juror. We are now in recess. All right, folks,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: so we're there, right? We're at the point where... we're
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: about to get a verdict. And my guess is we're
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: going to have that verdict either today or tomorrow. So
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: we'll be here waiting for that verdict to drop. And
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: when it does, we'll get it added to the catalog.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: But until then, that's going to do it for this one.
• 51:20
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