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Shocking Bombshell Dropped in Christa Pike Execution Case · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: So I want you to just imagine for a second
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  Speaker 1: that you are strapped down to a gurney. The state
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  Speaker 1: has decided officially that today is the day you die. Right.
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  Speaker 2: It's that ultimate absolute finality. Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: You're in this incredibly sterile room surrounded by all these
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  Speaker 1: state officials. And you're just waiting for this process that is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, engineered to be this swift clinical end.
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  Speaker 2: A medical procedure, essentially.
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  Speaker 1: Or that's the perception anyway. Right. But instead of just
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  Speaker 1: fading into unconsciousness like you're supposed to, the executioners completely
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  Speaker 1: miss your vein.
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  Speaker 2: Which is just, I mean, a catastrophic failure at step one.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. And they end up pumping these lethal,
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  Speaker 1: literally tissue-destroying chemicals directly into your muscle. So you don't die.
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  Speaker 1: You actually wake up in a hospital hooked up to
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  Speaker 1: life support.
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  Speaker 2: Being saved by doctors, ironically. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Being saved by doctors for the sole purpose of allowing
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  Speaker 1: the state to try and kill you all over again.
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  Speaker 1: And that is exactly what happened in Tennessee just last month.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds completely like a dystopian fiction, right? But it
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  Speaker 2: is the terrifying actual reality of a system that is
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  Speaker 2: basically operating at the very limits of its own competency.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's exactly what we are getting into today.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And for you, the listener, understanding how we even
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  Speaker 2: got to that hospital room, it requires us to look
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  Speaker 2: way past just the medical failure of the execution itself.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely. The medical failure is just the tip of
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  Speaker 1: the iceberg.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. we are really pulling apart this 30-year-long saga today.
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  Speaker 2: It exposes a multi-layered collapse of all these institutions we
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  Speaker 2: supposedly trust. So this deep dive is a look at
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  Speaker 2: systemic negligence, the really chilling psychology of a killer with
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  Speaker 2: zero moral compass, the whole myth of closure for victims' families, and,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the very raw debate around capital punishment.
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  Speaker 1: And we are anchoring this deep dive with an incredible source.
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  Speaker 1: We're looking at this whole timeline through a recent Law
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  Speaker 1: and Crime Network interview with retired Knoxville Police Chief Phil Keith.
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  Speaker 2: Who has literally lived with this case since the morning
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  Speaker 2: it began.
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  Speaker 1: He has. So let's just start with the immediate crisis, right?
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  Speaker 1: On September 30th, the state of Tennessee set out to
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  Speaker 1: execute Krista Pike. And historically speaking, this was supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be a monumental date on the calendar.
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  Speaker 2: It really was. I mean, had the protocol actually gone
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  Speaker 2: as planned... Krista Pike would have been the first woman
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  Speaker 2: put to death in Tennessee in over 200 years.
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  Speaker 1: Over 200 years. That's insane.
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  Speaker 2: So you are looking at a highly scrutinized, heavily documented event.
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  Speaker 2: The pressure on the Department of Corrections was just immense.
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  Speaker 2: Not just legally, but culturally, too.
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  Speaker 1: And then it just fails spectacularly. Yeah. Pike is now
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  Speaker 1: sitting at Vanderbilt University Medical Center. And the sheer mechanics
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  Speaker 1: of this failure are just baffling to me.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to wrap your head around.
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  Speaker 1: It is.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 1: We are talking about executioners missing a vein and injecting
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  Speaker 1: two massive doses of a lethal drug, pentobarbital, directly into
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  Speaker 1: her body tissue.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And I keep thinking, you know, finding a vein sounds
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  Speaker 1: so easy when you're just getting routine blood work done,
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  Speaker 1: a nice, well-lit clinic. But how does a state-sanctioned, highly-rehearsed
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  Speaker 1: procedure fail at the very first step?
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  Speaker 2: Well, to understand the how of that, you really have
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  Speaker 2: to look at the environment and the chemistry involved.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, lay it out for us.
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  Speaker 2: So pentobarbital is a very powerful barbiturate. It's a central
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  Speaker 2: nervous system depressant. Now, in a properly executed lethal injection,
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  Speaker 2: it's introduced directly into the bloodstream where it rapidly crosses
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  Speaker 2: the blood-brain barrier.
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  Speaker 1: Right, which shuts everything down.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. It depresses the respiratory system and causes cardiac arrest
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  Speaker 2: almost instantly. It is supposedly painless. But when you inject
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  Speaker 2: it into muscle or fatty tissue instead, the absorption rate
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  Speaker 2: drops drastically. So instead of a swift shutdown of the brain,
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  Speaker 2: this highly alkaline drug causes severe tissue necrosis.
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  Speaker 1: Necrosis. So it's essentially killing the flesh?
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  Speaker 2: It essentially burns the tissue from the inside out. It
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  Speaker 2: causes excruciating pain without actually inducing immediate death.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. So she is actively being poisoned, but at a
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  Speaker 1: rate that just tortures her rather than killing her. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Which is exactly why the doctors of Vanderbilt are now
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  Speaker 2: having to aggressively flush her system.
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  Speaker 1: It's just, it's wild. But going back to the personnel
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  Speaker 1: who are actually doing this, I keep coming back to
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  Speaker 1: this analogy in my head. It's like hiring a master
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  Speaker 1: chef who doesn't even know how to turn on a stove.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good way to put it.
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  Speaker 1: Because the people administering these drugs, they aren't doctors, right?
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  Speaker 2: No, they aren't. And that is really the crux of
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  Speaker 2: the institutional failure here. The ethical guidelines of the medical
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  Speaker 2: community explicitly prohibit doctors from participating in lethal injections.
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  Speaker 1: Because of the Hippocratic Oath.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Do no harm.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Therefore, the people who are tasked with this ultimate responsibility,
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  Speaker 2: they're typically just prison staff or maybe contracted technicians.
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  Speaker 1: Who don't have that top-tier medical training. Right.
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  Speaker 2: And you have to remember, when a human body is
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  Speaker 2: strapped to a gurney facing death, the physiological stress response
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  Speaker 2: is just massive. Veins constrict, they roll, they completely collapse.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a biologically hostile environment to begin with.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. The system is asking individuals who lack advanced medical
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  Speaker 2: training to perform a high-stakes, incredibly delicate IV procedure on
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  Speaker 2: a completely uncooperative biological subject.
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  Speaker 1: And they tried multiple times, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Executioners reportedly tried numerous times using different needles. They
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  Speaker 2: essentially turned the whole procedure into this prolonged, chaotic medical trauma.
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  Speaker 1: That's a profound competency gap.
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  Speaker 2: And the cascading effect of this failure was just immediate.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Frank Strada, the head of the Department of Corrections,
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  Speaker 2: the guy who was literally tasked with overseeing the overhaul
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  Speaker 2: of Tennessee's execution protocol, he's stepping down.
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  Speaker 1: Governor Bill Lee made that announcement over the weekend right
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  Speaker 1: after the botched execution. Yeah. And the administrative history here,
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  Speaker 1: this is the part that really got me.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's vital context. Frank Strada previously worked as a
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  Speaker 2: deputy director in Arizona. And during his tenure out there,
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  Speaker 2: The state of Arizona experienced three separate botched executions.
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  Speaker 1: Three of them.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. So this recent incident with Krista Pike brings his
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  Speaker 2: total involvement in failed execution procedures to five.
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  Speaker 1: Five botched executions under one administrator. I mean, how does
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  Speaker 1: an administrator with that kind of track record continue to
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  Speaker 1: be placed in charge of the most irreversible action a
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  Speaker 1: state can possibly take?
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  Speaker 2: It brings up incredibly difficult questions about oversight. And naturally...
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  Speaker 2: That kind of high profile failure completely ignites the political landscape.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, instantly. We see how quickly an administrative failure morphs
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  Speaker 1: into a cultural wedge issue. Like Senator Marsha Blackburn, who
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  Speaker 1: is currently running for governor. She immediately jumped onto social media. Right.
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  Speaker 2: On X, formerly Twitter.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And she totally bypassed any conversation about procedural reform
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  Speaker 1: or medical training. She just stated simply that the state
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  Speaker 1: needs to look at other methods, explicitly saying the answer
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  Speaker 1: is simple. Bring back the electric chair.
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  Speaker 2: Which is a really striking comment. And just to be
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  Speaker 2: clear for you listening, we're simply reporting on the rhetoric
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  Speaker 2: from the source here, not endorsing a political stance. But
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  Speaker 2: that reaction really highlights the intense volatility of capital punishment
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  Speaker 2: in the public sphere.
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  Speaker 1: It totally strips away the polite veneer, doesn't it?
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  Speaker 2: It does. When the sanitized, medicalized version of an execution fails,
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  Speaker 2: the discourse doesn't always pivot to abolition. it often pivots
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  Speaker 2: straight back to historically brutal, visibly violent methods.
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  Speaker 1: It reveals the raw, punitive desire beneath the whole system.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Which really forces us to ask, why is that punitive
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  Speaker 1: desire so incredibly strong in this specific case? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: to understand why Krista Pike was on that gurney to
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  Speaker 1: begin with, and why seasoned law enforcement figures like Chief
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  Speaker 1: Keith insist that the state must try again if she recovers,
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  Speaker 1: we have to leave the hospital room.
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  Speaker 2: We have to rewind. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We have to go back to the night of January 12th, 1995.
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  Speaker 2: This is really where the narrative shifts from a modern
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  Speaker 2: bureaucratic breakdown to a profound, visceral human tragedy. The victim
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  Speaker 2: in this case was a young woman named Colleen Slemmer.
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  Speaker 1: She was just 19 years old. And honestly, everything about
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  Speaker 1: her stands in such stark contrast to the violence she endured.
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  Speaker 2: She was, by all accounts, very gentle.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. According to the source, Colleen was shy. She was timid.
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  Speaker 1: She wasn't aggressive or confrontational at all. She was deeply
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  Speaker 1: interested in computers and had moved up to Knoxville to
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  Speaker 1: get ahead, to learn a trade.
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  Speaker 2: She just wanted to build a life.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. And more than anything, she wanted to help people.
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  Speaker 1: She actually found her greatest joy in life working with
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  Speaker 1: the disabled individuals.
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  Speaker 2: She really represented innocence and aspiration. She was actively trying
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  Speaker 2: to build a foundation for her future. And on the
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  Speaker 2: morning of January 13, 1995, that life was just violently extinguished.
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  Speaker 1: A university maintenance worker made the discovery, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. In a wooded area near the University of Tennessee campus.
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  Speaker 1: And Chief Keith arrived on the scene about 20, maybe
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  Speaker 1: 25 minutes later. And I really want to prepare you,
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  Speaker 1: the listener, because the details of this crime scene are
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  Speaker 1: just difficult to process.
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  Speaker 2: They are deeply disturbing.
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  Speaker 1: When first responders arrived, the volume of blood was so
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  Speaker 1: massive that seasoned officers initially assumed someone had slaughtered an
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  Speaker 1: animal in the woods.
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  Speaker 2: The sheer brutality of it really forces us to examine
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  Speaker 2: the timeline of the attack. According to the medical examiner
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  Speaker 2: and the physical evidence, Colleen was subjected to torture that
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  Speaker 2: lasted anywhere from 30 minutes to over an hour.
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  Speaker 1: Over an hour of torture. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: She was severely beaten. And the physical evidence of the
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  Speaker 2: scene showed the knees of her denim jeans were completely
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  Speaker 2: worn through to her raw skin. Oh, my God. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Investigators found these deep impressions in the muddy earth where
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  Speaker 2: she had been physically dragged from one location to another.
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  Speaker 1: And it didn't stop there. She was slashed across the
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  Speaker 1: throat at least seven times with a box cutter. She
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  Speaker 1: was stabbed in the back. And then her attackers actually
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  Speaker 1: carved a pentagram into her chest.
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  Speaker 2: It's just horrific.
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  Speaker 1: It is. Ultimately, this hour of horror ended when her
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  Speaker 1: skull was crushed with a large piece of asphalt. And
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  Speaker 1: the impact was so devastating that a piece of her
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  Speaker 1: skull was pushed deep into her brain.
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  Speaker 2: And the most agonizing part of all of this. Amidst
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  Speaker 2: this sustained violence, Colleen was conscious. She was acutely aware
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  Speaker 2: of what was happening to her.
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  Speaker 1: She was pleading with them.
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  Speaker 2: She was. She begged her attackers. She promised them that
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  Speaker 2: if they would just stop, if they would just let
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  Speaker 2: her go, she would walk all the way back to
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  Speaker 2: her home state of Florida and never tell a single
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  Speaker 2: soul what they had done.
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  Speaker 1: I have to pause on that detail for a second.
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  Speaker 1: I will walk back to Florida. That isn't just a
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  Speaker 1: plea for life. That is a frantic, desperate negotiation from
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  Speaker 1: someone who realizes they are utterly trapped.
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  Speaker 2: It's heartbreaking.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. And I want to focus on the
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  Speaker 1: duration of this attack, too, because when we see murders
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  Speaker 1: on the evening news, there is often this underlying narrative
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  Speaker 1: of a crime of passion, right?
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  Speaker 2: Right, like a sudden snap.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Someone loses their temper, a gun is drawn, a
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  Speaker 1: single fatal blow is struck in the heat of a
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  Speaker 1: 10-second altercation. But a 30- to 60-minute attack, every single
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  Speaker 1: minute that passes is a choice. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Every swing, every cut is a conscious decision to keep going.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, looking at the evidence, how does that speak
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  Speaker 1: to the mindset of the killers?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the duration completely eliminates any psychological defense of a
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  Speaker 2: momentary lapse in judgment. An hour-long assault requires a profound
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  Speaker 2: level of sustained intent.
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  Speaker 1: You have to want to do it the whole time.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. It requires the perpetrators to actively listen to a
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  Speaker 2: human being beg for her life, to watch her bleed
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  Speaker 2: and and to consciously override every natural human instinct of
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  Speaker 2: empathy or horror.
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  Speaker 1: And she was fighting back, right?
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  Speaker 2: She was. The dragging impressions you mentioned indicate a real
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  Speaker 2: physical struggle. Colleen fought to survive. Yet the killers just
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  Speaker 2: methodically continued. Furthermore, the physical evidence showed that immediately after
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  Speaker 2: the murder, the perpetrators walked over to a nearby mud
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  Speaker 2: puddle and actually attempted to wash the blood off their
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  Speaker 2: hands and shoes.
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  Speaker 1: That pivot... It's just chilling to me. You go from
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  Speaker 1: absolute unhinged savagery to cool, calculated self-preservation and evidence tampering
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  Speaker 1: in a matter of seconds.
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  Speaker 2: It speaks to a very specific, very dangerous kind of
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  Speaker 2: psychological makeup.
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  Speaker 1: It really forces us to analyze the perpetrators because this
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  Speaker 1: kind of violence, it does not exist in a vacuum.
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  Speaker 1: So Crystal Pike was 18 years old at the time,
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  Speaker 1: but she didn't act alone, did she?
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  Speaker 2: No, she didn't. She was accompanied by her 17-year-old boyfriend,
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  Speaker 2: Tadaryl Shipp, and another student, Shadala Peterson. And Peterson's primary
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  Speaker 2: role was actually to help lure Colleen into those woods
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  Speaker 2: under the false pretense of making peace. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And when you look for a motive for something this gruesome,
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  Speaker 1: you expect to find some massive, deep-seated grievance. Pike initially
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  Speaker 1: claimed that Colleen had a crush on her boyfriend, Tadaryl Shipp.
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  Speaker 2: She also floated a story that she had woken up
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  Speaker 2: one night to find Colleen standing over her bed holding
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  Speaker 2: a box cutter.
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  Speaker 1: But Chief Keith saw right through that, didn't he?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, completely. Both of those claims were thoroughly investigated and
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  Speaker 2: entirely dismantled. Chief Keith recognized those stories immediately for what
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  Speaker 2: they were. Fabricated narratives designed to establish a foundation for
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  Speaker 2: self-defense or maybe a reduced charge.
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  Speaker 1: Just laying the groundwork for a legal defense.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Even to Daryl Shipp denied any romantic involvement with Colleen.
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  Speaker 2: There was zero corroborating evidence for the box cutter threat.
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  Speaker 2: It was all a lie.
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  Speaker 1: So if jealousy or self-defense were lies... What was the
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  Speaker 1: actual truth? Why did an 18-year-old girl orchestrate the hour-long
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  Speaker 1: torture of her classmate?
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  Speaker 2: The truth is almost harder to hear than the lies.
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  Speaker 2: The day before the murder, Pike confided in a friend.
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  Speaker 2: Her stated reason for wanting to kill Colleen Slemmer was
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  Speaker 2: simply that she, quote, just felt like being mean.
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  Speaker 1: I just felt like being mean. It is a statement
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  Speaker 1: that completely defies rational comprehension.
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  Speaker 2: It really does. It strips away all the complex sociological
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  Speaker 2: or emotional motives we normally assign to murder. And it
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  Speaker 2: just leaves this dark, empty core.
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  Speaker 1: It suggests a desire for violence as the primary objective
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  Speaker 1: rather than violence as a means to an end.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely. And if you think that was just tough talk
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  Speaker 2: before the fact, her behavior afterward completely solidifies the horror
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  Speaker 2: of it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, tell us about that night.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Pike and her accomplices returned to their peers around
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  Speaker 2: 10 p.m. that night. She wasn't in shock. She wasn't
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  Speaker 2: panicked or hiding in her room.
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  Speaker 1: She was giddy, right?
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  Speaker 2: She was giddy. She was laughing and openly bragging to
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  Speaker 2: people about what she had just done in the woods.
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  Speaker 1: That's sickening. And it escalated beyond just verbal bragging, too.
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  Speaker 1: The very next day, sitting in a classroom, Pike wanted
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  Speaker 1: to prove to a skeptical peer that she had actually
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  Speaker 1: killed Colleen. Right. So she reached into her pocket, pulled
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  Speaker 1: out a fragment of Colleen's slimmer skull, and just showed
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  Speaker 1: it off. She kept a piece of a human being's
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  Speaker 1: skull in her pocket like a seashell.
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  Speaker 2: The macabre reality of that detail is just staggering. During
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  Speaker 2: the subsequent investigation and trial prep, the forensic anthropologists actually
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  Speaker 2: had to take that specific fragment of bone retrieved from
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  Speaker 2: Pike and physically fit it back into Colleen's reconstructed skull. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Taking a biological trophy and displaying it in an educational setting,
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  Speaker 2: it demonstrates a complete and utter detachment from societal norms,
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  Speaker 2: from morality, and really from reality itself.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I've listened to confessions from hardened cartel hitmen,
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  Speaker 1: men who have lived their entire lives steeped in extreme violence.
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  Speaker 1: And even they will sometimes break down or show the
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  Speaker 1: heavy toll of what they've done.
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  Speaker 2: The psychological weight usually catches up with people.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. But Krista Pike was an 18-year-old girl. And when
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  Speaker 1: investigators brought her in and read her her Miranda rights,
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  Speaker 1: making it abundantly clear that anything she said would be
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  Speaker 1: used to put her on death row, she just casually
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  Speaker 1: started talking.
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  Speaker 2: Providing a Mirandai's confession with full cognitive awareness of the
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  Speaker 2: consequences is a very crucial detail. It means she understood
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  Speaker 2: her legal peril perfectly. She wasn't confused. She wasn't coerced
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  Speaker 2: into talking.
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  Speaker 1: Chief Keith actually observed this confession from an adjoining room.
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  Speaker 1: He watched her detail every single moment of that hour
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  Speaker 1: in the woods.
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  Speaker 2: She didn't hold anything back? Nothing.
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  Speaker 1: She described the torture as if she were recounting a
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  Speaker 1: trip to the grocery store. There were no tears. There
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  Speaker 1: was no shaking. In fact, she smiled. She smiled multiple
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  Speaker 1: times while explaining how she ended a 19-year-old's life.
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  Speaker 2: It's like reading a script for a horror movie, but
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  Speaker 2: realizing the monster is just sitting right in front of you.
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  Speaker 1: That is the perfect way to describe it. So when
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  Speaker 1: defense attorneys look at a case like this, they obviously
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  Speaker 1: look for an origin story for the violence.
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  Speaker 2: They have to. They brought up that Pike had an
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: abusive background. In the criminal justice system, childhood trauma is
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: frequently introduced to explain, or at least mitigate, horrific actions.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Right. It is a plea for the jury to understand
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: the killer as a victim of their environment.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: But Chief Keith vehemently rejects that framework for Krista Pike.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: He pointed out that she had an above average IQ.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: She knew exactly the difference between right and wrong.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: But he was very clear on that point.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: He said, and this really stuck with me, if every
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: person that was abused as a child murdered somebody, we'd
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: have a real problem on our hands. He completely refuses
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: to dress it up in psychological jargon. He just calls
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: it Pure evil.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Which is a heavy term for a law enforcement officer
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: to use.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: It is. So how do we unpack that label, pure evil,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: from a behavioral science perspective? What does that actually look like?
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Well, when an experienced investigator like Keith uses the term
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: like pure evil, he's essentially describing the manifestation of what
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: psychologists call the dark triad traits.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Which are what?
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy. Machiavellianism is the strategic manipulative element.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: We see that here in the calculated luring of Colleen
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: into the woods by the friend.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Right, setting the trap.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Exactly. And psychopathy involves a profound deficit in affective empathy.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: A normal human brain registers distress in another person, like
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Colleen begging to walk back to Florida. And it naturally
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: mirrors that distress, causing hesitation or revulsion.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: You feel bad because they feel bad. Right.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: But a psychopathic brain observes that pleading and registers it
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: merely as information. Or worse, as a rewarding reinforcement of
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: their own power over the victim.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Hence the smiling during the confession.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Precisely. The smiles indicate a sadistic pleasure. The abuse she
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: may have endured in her past simply cannot account for
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: the act of joy she found in another person's suffering.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: It's chilling to think about an 18-year-old harboring that kind
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: of darkness. But, you know, here is the piece of
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: the puzzle that makes me furious.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: The setting.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Yes. It's terrifying to think Colleen could have been targeted
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: by a stranger. But what makes this infinitely darker is
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: that they weren't strangers. They were classmates.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: They were brought together by a system.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Exactly. They were placed under the exact same roof by
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: a federal government program that was designed to lift them up.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: This wasn't just a failure of human morality. It was
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: a catastrophic failure of a massive institution.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: The Job Corps program in Knoxville is the environment that
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: literally incubated this tragedy.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Give us the background on that, because I think a
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: lot of people don't know what it was.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: So the Job Corps was established as a federal vocational
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: training program for youth between the ages of 16 and 23.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: It offered free room, board, and education. It was primarily
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: targeting young people from disadvantaged backgrounds to teach them traits.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Like the computer skills Colleen was so eager to learn. Right.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: It was supposed to be a stepping stone.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Colleen's grandfather had actually found the program for her, but
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: her mother had a terrible feeling about it. She fought
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: against Colleen, moving from Jacksonville, Florida, all the way up
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: to Knoxville, Tennessee.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Mothers always seem to know.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: They do. But Colleen was determined to get her life going.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: She wanted independence. So she went. She went to a
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: facility that Chief Keith later described as a complete and
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: utter wrecking ball of an institution.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: The concept of a federal vocational program sounds incredibly noble.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: But the actual execution of it in Knoxville was a disaster.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Where was it even located?
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: The center was housed in an old Holiday Inn right
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: adjacent to the Fort Sanders neighborhood. And Fort Sanders is
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: a densely populated residential area, heavily utilized by university students.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: So you essentially transplanted a highly volatile, completely unsupervised population
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: right into the middle of a vulnerable college community.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Exactly. And Chief Keith and his police department were essentially
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: fighting a shadow war with the administrators of this center
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: for years.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Keith actually had to launch a dedicated covert investigation into
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: the facility just to figure out what was happening behind
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: those doors, didn't he?
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: He did. And what he found was institutional rot at
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: the very top. Security staff and administrators weren't just turning
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: a blind eye to bad behavior. They were actively covering
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: up felonies to protect their funding and reputation.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: The severity of the environment cannot be overstated. I mean,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: investigators uncovered rampant drug and alcohol abuse. Staff members were
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: engaging in sexual relationships with the students they were supposed
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: to be mentoring and protecting.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: It was a free-for-all. And prior to Colleen's murder, the
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: center had already been the site of a brutal, unprovoked attack.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: A young man was viciously beaten and a young woman
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: was raped.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: And yet it stayed open.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: It stayed open. The tension between the Job Corps students
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: and the local police reached such a boiling point that
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: groups of students would physically surround and rock police cruisers
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: as they patrolled the perimeter of the building.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Just brazen hostility. You are housing vulnerable sheep, kids like
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Colleen who just want to learn how to use a computer,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: in the exact same unmonitored hallways as predatory wolves like
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Krista Pike.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: It is the absolute definition of institutional decay.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Keith was practically begging officials to shut the place down
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: or move it out of the city limits.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: He was. And he was eventually successful in getting the
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: program removed from that location, but the bureaucratic wheels turned
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: way too slowly.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Tragically, the action was taken only after Colleen Slemmer was
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: tortured to death in the woods.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: It took a murder to move the needle.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: It did. And, you know, if you draw a line
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: from 1995 to 2024, the symmetry of systemic failure is
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: just blinding.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: No, the through line is undeniable.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: In 1995, you have a federal housing and education program
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: utterly failing to provide basic physical safety. resulting in the
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: brutal murder of a 19-year-old girl. And then decades later,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: you have the state's Department of Corrections failing at the
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: most basic mechanical level to execute the legal sentence handed
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: down for that exact crime.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: We rely on these massive, supposedly rigid systems. The Job Corps,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: the justice system, the prison administration. And in this story,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: every single one of them collapses under the weight of
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: human incompetence.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: And the collateral damage of those collapsing systems is immense.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Because when institutions fail, the burden of cleaning up the
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: wreckage falls entirely on individuals.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: It falls on the families, and it falls on the
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: law enforcement officers who have to immerse themselves in the
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: darkness the system failed to prevent.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about those officers. Chief Keith noted that over
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: 18 members of his staff had to actively work this case.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: That's a massive footprint for one department.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: We are talking about forensics teams, detectives, supervisors. Everyone touched it.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: He specifically talked about his lead investigator, a detective named
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Randy York.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Randy York's dedication to this case was legendary.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: It really was. Randy York worked for 39 hours straight
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: on the initial investigation. He didn't sleep. He didn't stop
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: until Chief Keith literally ordered him to go home.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: But that kind of dedication, it comes with a severe
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: psychological price. We often talk about secondary trauma in law
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: enforcement today, but back then it was different.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Right. Detective York was tasked with reconstructing the entire hour
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: of the murder so the prosecution could present a flawless case.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: And to do that, he had to listen to Krista
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Pike's audio confession.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: He had to sit in a room and listen to
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: an 18-year-old girl cheerfully describe the sounds of a skull crushing.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Over and over again. The physical sensation of carving a pentagram.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Chief Keith estimates York listened to that tape 50 to
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: 60 times. 50 to 60 times.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, you cannot subject a human brain to that
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: much concentrated audio of pure malevolence without it leaving a
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: permanent scar.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: It's just not possible. And like you said, back in 1995,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: the culture of policing was so different. Keith pointed out
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: that they did not have the trauma counseling, the psychological debriefs,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: or the mental health services that departments deploy today.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Officers were just expected to absorb the darkest elements of humanity,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: close the file, and show up for work the next
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: day like nothing happened.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Keith himself admitted the enduring nature of that trauma. He
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: said the mental image of Colleen Slemmer's injuries, the raw
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: brutality of that crime scene, and that carved pentagram, those
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: are images he will carry with him until the day
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: he dies. He cannot unsee it.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Which naturally brings us to the families. If the hardened
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: detectives carry this weight forever, what does it do to
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: a mother?
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I can't even fathom it. Colleen's mother has been trapped
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: in the bureaucratic machinery of the criminal justice system for
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: 31 years.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Think about that timeline.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Decades.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Decades of hearings, appeals, stays of execution, and now a
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: completely botched lethal injection. Chief Keith is incredibly passionate about
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: this specific aspect. Having spent his career interacting with victims'
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: families and participating in roundtables for the Department of Justice,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: he takes direct aim at a concept that our culture
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: deeply romanticizes.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: The idea of closure.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, the myth of closure.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Because closure really is a Hollywood invention, isn't it? We
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: love the idea of a neatly wrapped narrative. The gavel bangs,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: the killer is sentenced, the dramatic music swells, and we
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: assume the victim's family can finally close the book and heal.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: But Chief Keith says closure is an absolute myth. It
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: does not exist.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Why is that? Why does the system fail at providing that?
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: It is a myth because the legal system's mechanical nature
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: actively prevents psychological healing. Grief for a murdered child is permanent.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: It does not dissipate just because you get a guilty verdict.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: But what the capital punishment appeals process does is force
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: the trauma to operate on a bureaucratic loop. Every new
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: legal filing, every anniversary, every parole hearing for an accomplice,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: and certainly every botched execution attempt. It just drags the
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: family right back to January 13th, 1995.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: They are forced to publicly relive the worst agony of
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: their lives over and over because the system demands their participation.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Exactly. The book never closes.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Society thinks that conviction is the final chapter, but for
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: the family, the book just keeps getting rewritten every time
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: there's an appeal. And now they are in this bizarre
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: holding pattern. Krista Pike is alive. The execution failed. So
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: what actually happens next?
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Well, Chief Keith's perspective on the path forward is rooted
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: firmly in his lifelong adherence to the legal code. He
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: argues that he believes implicitly in the rule of law.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: And what does the law dictate here?
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: The rule of law. which was determined by a jury
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: of peers and upheld through decades of appeals, dictates that
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: the state of Tennessee is to put Krista Pike to death. Therefore,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: his stance is unequivocal. If she recovers from the physical
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: damage of the botched injection, the state is legally obligated
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: to try again.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: He made it clear that if society is uncomfortable with that,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: then society needs to change the laws regarding capital punishment.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: But as long as the law is on the books,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: the mandate remains. Right.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: And for those wondering about a last minute reprieve, Keith
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: does not believe Governor Bill Lee will step into commuter
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: sentence to life in prison.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Which leaves the entire situation in this precarious, highly charged limbo.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: We have medical professionals at Vanderbilt trying to save a
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: life so that legal professionals can eventually end it.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: All while a grieving family watches the machinery of justice
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: break down in real time.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: We have covered an immense amount of ground today. I mean,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: we've looked at the horrific reality of Colleen Slemmer's final hours.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: We've explored the dark empathy void psychology of Krista Pike.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: We've dissected the catastrophic negligence of the Job Corps program
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: that put them in the same room.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: And we've tracked it all the way to a modern-day
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: prison administration that couldn't even perform a basic IV procedure.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: It is a staggering timeline of human and systemic failure.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: But if there is one central takeaway for you, the listener,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: it is Chief Keith's final plea from the interview. In
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: our modern, true crime-obsessed culture, it is incredibly easy for
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: the perpetrator to become the main character.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: The horrific nature of the crime turns the killer into
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: this dark celebrity. Everyone in Tennessee knows the name Krista Pike.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: But we need to consciously shift that focus. We need
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: to remember the victim. Her name was Colleen Slemmer. She
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: was 19 years old.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: She was an innocent young woman who loved computers, who
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: had a real passion for helping the disabled, and who
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: took a brave risk to move to a new state
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: just to build a better life for herself.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Her light was extinguished by an act of inconsistency. senseless brutality.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Honoring her memory, focusing on who she was rather than
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: just how she died, is the only way to restore
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: a fraction of humanity to a story that is otherwise
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: defined by the absolute absence of it.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: I completely agree. And as we leave you today... I
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: want you to carry this final provocative thought with you.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: We open this deep dive talking about the expectation of
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: precision in our legal systems. We want justice to operate
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: like a flawless machine.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: We rely on it to be flawless.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: But if the entire apparatus of justice relies on fundamentally
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: flawed institutions at every single level, from the 1995 vocational
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: program that housed wolves with sheep to the 2024 prison
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: administration that couldn't find a vein under pressure. Can we
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: ever truly say that justice is served?
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Or are we, as a society, merely relying on a
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: system of broken parts desperately trying to fix broken people?
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Think about that the next time you hear a gavel drop.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Thanks for diving deep with us today.