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The Political Issue Everyone’s Talking About | Episode 246 · V

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  Speaker 1: Hey everybody, welcome to Vance on Monday. Good to have
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  Speaker 1: you with us as always. Really the best audience anywhere.
• 0:04
  Speaker 1: Holy cow, we got a big show for you today.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna talk to you about what is going on
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  Speaker 1: with the Save America Act. This is the week, this
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  Speaker 1: is the week where John Thune is finally gonna take
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  Speaker 1: this thing for a throwdown session on the floor of
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  Speaker 1: the United States Senate.
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  Speaker 2: How does it end? We'll see.
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  Speaker 1: But in the meantime, a lot of meaningful progress has
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  Speaker 1: been made thanks to you and your efforts.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get into that.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, we have to, we always have to gavel
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  Speaker 1: in for our Save America Act conversation. Also, the latest
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  Speaker 1: on what's going on in Iran as President Trump bombs
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  Speaker 1: an island.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on in Karg Island?
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  Speaker 1: We'll tell you about that and the President's efforts to
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  Speaker 1: stabilize fuel prices in the country. And we're joined today
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  Speaker 1: by Buck Sexton. Buck Sexton is stopping by the program.
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  Speaker 3: Buck's great.
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  Speaker 1: Chad Prather has raided the stream. Thank you for that.
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  Speaker 1: Sean Farish, that's right. Sean Farish is filling in for
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  Speaker 1: the great Dan Bongino this morning. I just had the
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  Speaker 1: pleasure of speaking to him from a distance over the
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  Speaker 1: control room audio. I was like, I hear a voice
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  Speaker 1: that sounds an awful lot like the president of the
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  Speaker 1: United States. And it wasn't President Trump. It was Sean Farish,
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  Speaker 1: and I wasn't even disappointed.
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  Speaker 2: It was Sean. I was excited about that.
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  Speaker 4: It was great.
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  Speaker 2: So Sean coming up this morning on Dan's great program.
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  Speaker 2: We are hunkering down here in the Washington, D.C.
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  Speaker 5: Area.
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  Speaker 1: Any of you in chat in like the nation's capital
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  Speaker 1: region right now? The claim all through the weekend is
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  Speaker 1: that we're going to be slammed with tornadoes today? That
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  Speaker 1: there's these converging fronts that are going to create tornadoes? Now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just hoping this is just dramatic overstatement that it's
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  Speaker 1: not going to, we're not going to, but if this happens,
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  Speaker 1: it might happen in the middle of the big national
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  Speaker 1: radio show today. We're on guard for it. I called
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  Speaker 1: Jim last night, producer Jim, and I said, hey, I
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  Speaker 1: hope you had a nice weekend. He's like, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was great. He sounded very excited. And I said,
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  Speaker 1: not to stress you out or anything, but you might
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  Speaker 1: be randomly hosting the show at some point tomorrow if
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  Speaker 1: a tornado takes out my power.
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  Speaker 2: So I just want you to know that. And he
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  Speaker 2: took it in stride. So we'll see. Anything can happen.
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  Speaker 2: Tune into the big national radio show today to see
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  Speaker 2: if a tornado carries me away. Could be kind of exciting.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: But for those of you who live in like Tornado Alley,
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  Speaker 1: you're like, okay, Vince, it's not that big of a deal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe not. I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I just, I'm just telling you. The way it works
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  Speaker 1: in DC, by the way, is that they get these
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  Speaker 1: really tight bands of storms. Remember the DeRay show?
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  Speaker 2: Remember hearing that phrase? Now, what was that? Like 15
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  Speaker 2: years ago?
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  Speaker 1: This really narrow band of storms where you have these
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  Speaker 1: fronts converging And then they just rip from west to east,
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  Speaker 1: straight across the nation's capital. And as they do, it's
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  Speaker 1: just devastation left behind it. It's like everything falls down,
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  Speaker 1: just truly aggressive, just quick, like almost like hurricane winds
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  Speaker 1: blast through the region.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll see. We'll see what happens. Feeling good, though.
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  Speaker 2: Feeling good, though.
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  Speaker 1: We need to get to, I'm going to get to
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  Speaker 1: the Save America Act. Also some hilarious news that I
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  Speaker 1: just saw this morning that I need to share with
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  Speaker 1: you coming up. But I will say I brood a
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  Speaker 1: lot on all of the stuff that you see going
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  Speaker 1: on on the right.
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  Speaker 2: You guys follow any of this?
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  Speaker 1: It's like there's like podcasters and stuff and just people
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  Speaker 1: like kind of going at each other. President Trump last
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  Speaker 1: night posted on Truth Social words of support for Mark
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  Speaker 1: Levin and There's just constant battling going on. And if
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  Speaker 1: you've paid, if you, if you've been with me for
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  Speaker 1: a while, you know, this is not the world that
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  Speaker 1: I dive into. I don't mind diving into fights between,
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  Speaker 1: you know, everybody. Because the reality is like, I know everybody.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm friends with all of them. I, I know
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  Speaker 2: them all. I know them all.
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  Speaker 1: And it's one of the blessings of my life that
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  Speaker 1: I've been able to get to know so many great patriots.
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  Speaker 1: And it, and it breaks my heart to see them
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  Speaker 1: at war with one another. I hate seeing it so much,
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  Speaker 1: but I've been thinking about this a lot, of course,
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  Speaker 1: because I just want, Fundamentally, what I want this show
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  Speaker 1: to be, and I saw Matt Van Swall write about it,
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  Speaker 1: a smart piece this weekend. What I want this show
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  Speaker 1: to be is a place where we can get together
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  Speaker 1: and focus on the clear threats to our country, what
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  Speaker 1: we can do as activists to fight for a better future,
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  Speaker 1: where we can apply pressure, especially to people who are
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  Speaker 1: in power, to achieve great things for us, and to
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  Speaker 1: do that as routinely as I possibly can. That's really
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  Speaker 1: all I'm interested in. And I know this audience is
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  Speaker 1: interested in that as well, which is why we've made
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  Speaker 1: so much progress on the Save America Act. It's because
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  Speaker 1: you have just stayed in the fight with me and
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  Speaker 1: Scott Pressler and Mike Lee and Anna Paulina Luna and
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  Speaker 1: Chip Roy. The list has actually grown so much that
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  Speaker 1: I can't even mention all of the names who are
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  Speaker 1: in on this fight. But this is what I want
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  Speaker 1: to do. This is what I want to do. I
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  Speaker 1: want to focus this show on what it is we
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  Speaker 1: can do to get the country back on track.
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  Speaker 2: And I love Trump. I think President Trump has been
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  Speaker 2: a great president.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I keep voting for him now three times
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  Speaker 1: in a row to be president of the United States.
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  Speaker 2: And the guy has, you know, checked the boxes.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he keeps fulfilling all of these promises. I
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  Speaker 1: think it gets lost sometimes the extent to which he
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  Speaker 1: really has hammered through the list of promises that he's
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  Speaker 1: made to the country.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Like, for instance, I just was talking with a friend recently.
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  Speaker 1: about border wall funding, just to give you an example.
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  Speaker 1: So border wall funding in the big, beautiful bill, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just looking it up just to remind myself now. There
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  Speaker 1: was $ 47 billion, just to remind people, because there's a
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  Speaker 1: theory online that's like, well, where's the border wall? I
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  Speaker 1: thought we were getting border wall. Yeah, he's getting it
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  Speaker 1: for you right now. Do people miss this stuff? Don't
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  Speaker 1: fall for the bumper stickers. Always go into the details. Like,
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  Speaker 1: what are the details? Well, the details are that the big,
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  Speaker 1: beautiful bill.
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  Speaker 2: Had $ 47 billion in border wall funding. How did we
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  Speaker 2: get that?
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  Speaker 1: Well, President Trump got it for us. He got it
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  Speaker 1: through Congress. We can barely get a photo ID.
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  Speaker 2: Bill through Congress right now. But like he got $ 47.
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  Speaker 1: Billion in border wall funding through. Now, when do we
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  Speaker 1: get the full construction of the border wall? I'm glad
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  Speaker 1: you asked. DHS just announced the final contract on that
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  Speaker 1: in February of this year. and it will be built
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  Speaker 1: and completed by the beginning of 2028. That's in the
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  Speaker 1: midst of and before the next presidential election. So they
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  Speaker 1: secure the money, they've secured the contract, and now they're
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  Speaker 1: doing the construction. And not only is it border wall,
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  Speaker 1: they have water barriers and all sorts of things that
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  Speaker 1: they're putting up to complete what the president ran on
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  Speaker 1: from the very beginning, which is a secure border for
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  Speaker 1: the United States of America. So that's just like one
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  Speaker 1: of those stories where it's like, What's happening with this
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  Speaker 1: thing that I'm not seeing?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's getting done. It's why there's not a big
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  Speaker 2: scandal around it, actually.
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  Speaker 1: It's because President Trump is achieving it. He stopped all
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  Speaker 1: the illegal aliens crossing the border. We've now collapsed to
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  Speaker 1: zero every month. As a result, there's also a massive
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  Speaker 1: drop in the amount of drugs that are coming across
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  Speaker 1: the border. Drug deaths are plummeting. Lots of bad guys
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  Speaker 1: are being picked up off the streets. We're deporting millions
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  Speaker 1: of people from the United States, either forcibly or through self-deportations.
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  Speaker 2: The guys work in it. He's doing a good job.
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  Speaker 2: He's doing a good job. So, you know, I know
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  Speaker 2: there's an expression, Dan likes to use it.
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  Speaker 1: He talks about the doomers and people that are out
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  Speaker 1: there who are just kind of black pilling on things.
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  Speaker 1: I just, I'm here to encourage you. The guy's doing
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  Speaker 1: a good job. Does that mean that every single thing
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  Speaker 1: President Trump does will be perfect forever?
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  Speaker 2: No, it doesn't. We're all human. We make mistakes.
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  Speaker 1: We're prone to sin. We can't see everything about the future.
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  Speaker 1: The future is unknowable. We have to just kind of
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  Speaker 1: forge our way ahead as best we can. But I
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  Speaker 1: would say, again, as a guy who's friends with everybody
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  Speaker 1: on the right, I say everybody, I don't know everybody,
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  Speaker 1: but I know a lot of these guys. And I
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  Speaker 1: will say, the one thing that I consistently pray for
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  Speaker 1: is that they can detect the humanity in one another.
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  Speaker 1: Stop ascribing motives. Just listen to each other. Try and
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  Speaker 1: navigate towards something better.
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  Speaker 2: That's it.
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  Speaker 1: And basically, let's cool down the temperature on the personal attacks,
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  Speaker 1: because What's happening ultimately is if we are beset by
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  Speaker 1: infighting that creates a situation where so many people are
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  Speaker 1: completely dejected, you're going to have massive numbers of people
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  Speaker 1: on the right or at least meaningful numbers of people.
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  Speaker 2: Check out of politics entirely. Like, whatever, it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter who I vote for and screw these
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  Speaker 1: guys and they don't do anything for me. The end
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  Speaker 1: result is that the absolute worst people take the levers
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  Speaker 1: of power and then they just hit the explosion button.
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  Speaker 1: So let's not do that. Let's not do that at all.
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  Speaker 1: Let's keep making this party better. Let's fight for it.
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  Speaker 2: Think about this.
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  Speaker 1: Now, by the way, I did not intend to dive
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  Speaker 1: into this, but because I'm brooding on it, I figured,
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  Speaker 1: you know, let's just talk about it now because that's
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  Speaker 1: the way I always end with this show. You know,
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  Speaker 1: The only way we get a better Republican party is
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  Speaker 1: if we fix it, is if we improve it. And
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  Speaker 1: if we impose consequences on Republicans who fail us. And
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean waiting until the general election to withhold
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  Speaker 1: our vote.
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  Speaker 2: For the Republican candidate.
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  Speaker 1: It means going at them, especially in the primary phase,
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  Speaker 1: picking better candidates to move forward and encouraging crappy Republicans.
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  Speaker 2: To retire, getting them out of office.
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  Speaker 1: Like, for instance, it's a great thing that Thamalina, Tham Tillis,
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  Speaker 1: is leaving the United States Senate.
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  Speaker 2: He's frustrated by MAGA, obviously. He doesn't like you.
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  Speaker 1: He hates that you have so much influence in American politics,
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  Speaker 1: and he doesn't get to continue his feckless nonsense, his
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  Speaker 1: establishment garbage rhino nonsense in perpetuity.
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  Speaker 2: And so he's out. He's like, this is too hard. Okay, go.
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  Speaker 6: Go.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad you're retiring. I'm glad you're retiring.
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  Speaker 1: President Trump has successfully convinced all sorts of establishment members
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  Speaker 1: of Congress to hanging up and to move on to
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  Speaker 1: something else. Retirement after retirement after retirement. Now, has that
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  Speaker 1: had an effect on our margins?
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  Speaker 7: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Things are tight, no question. And we need to have
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  Speaker 1: majorities in both houses to win. But we do need
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  Speaker 1: to have a controlled burn of the Republican Party.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. This is, again, advocating for all this all the time.
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  Speaker 1: And also, when Republicans fail us, they do need consequences
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  Speaker 1: imposed on them wherever we can do it. And we
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  Speaker 1: need to make examples out of Republicans who fail us. So,
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  Speaker 1: for instance, what just happened in Indiana? Indiana, Republican lawmakers
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  Speaker 1: in the state of Indiana were asked to do the
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  Speaker 1: simple thing of answering the left's election rigging operations all
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  Speaker 1: across the country.
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  Speaker 2: You remember this? Of course you do. We talked about
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  Speaker 2: it at the time. And what happened?
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  Speaker 1: Well, Indiana Republicans, not all of them, but meaningful numbers
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  Speaker 1: of them, failed us. They just said, no, we're not
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  Speaker 1: doing it. We're not going to take back territory that
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  Speaker 1: was stolen by the American left. We're not going to
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  Speaker 1: do it. OK, well, then we're not going to we
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  Speaker 1: have no use for you then. And so right now,
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  Speaker 1: I just had Scott Pressler on my radio program the
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  Speaker 1: other day. Right now, there is all sorts of actual
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  Speaker 1: MAGA money going into the state of Indiana to primary
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  Speaker 1: these Republicans out of office, the Republicans who failed us,
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  Speaker 1: to get them out of office.
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  Speaker 2: Now, will that effort succeed?
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  Speaker 6: Maybe.
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  Speaker 2: The answer is maybe. They're incumbents. They have the strength
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  Speaker 2: of their incumbency. They may hold on. But here's the
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  Speaker 2: big thing.
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  Speaker 1: If you've got all that money flowing in and now
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  Speaker 1: war chests are being spent just to stay alive in Indiana,
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  Speaker 1: going through that pain is a useful warning sign to
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  Speaker 1: every other Republican across the country who would fail this base.
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  Speaker 1: So whether or not they survive this fight, suddenly they're
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  Speaker 1: in a fight they never expected and they're sweating bullets
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  Speaker 1: about it.
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  Speaker 2: That's what we need.
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  Speaker 1: We need never-ending relentless pressure to improve the quality of
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  Speaker 1: Republicans across the country.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'm for. That's what I'm for.
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  Speaker 1: And so as we go through everything, whatever we're going through, one,
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  Speaker 1: I just, I want people to remember that, like, what's
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  Speaker 1: all of this about in the end?
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  Speaker 2: Ultimately, it's about getting to heaven. Ultimately, it's about eternity.
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  Speaker 1: You know, what kind of life are you leading now
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  Speaker 1: and whether or not it's with a sense of your
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  Speaker 1: eternal purpose and find out what that is. And if
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  Speaker 1: you do that, you're going to be on a great track.
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  Speaker 4: Wonderful.
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  Speaker 1: And the other piece is knowing that it helps calm
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  Speaker 1: you down and go, okay, all of this stuff is
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  Speaker 1: not the most important stuff, but it's important enough.
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  Speaker 2: I need to take care of my family.
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  Speaker 1: I need my kid to grow up in a thriving world.
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  Speaker 1: I need my grandchildren to grow up in a thriving world.
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  Speaker 1: How do I achieve that?
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  Speaker 2: And who's the impediment to making that happen? And now
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  Speaker 2: let's get rid of them.
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  Speaker 1: Stay in the fight, stay positive, and just pray for
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  Speaker 1: your country, pray for your country and pray for the
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  Speaker 1: people you love to have their eyes opened and to
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  Speaker 1: realize that we're all on the same team and we're
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  Speaker 1: fighting for something very big right now.
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  Speaker 2: Does that make sense? I hope it does.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, just stay in this fight. You know, we've got
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  Speaker 1: the Save America Act fight going on right now. Should
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  Speaker 1: I gavel into it? I should gavel in.
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  Speaker 3: Here we go.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gaveled in. The Save America fight is going
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  Speaker 1: on right now. And I want to once again accentuate
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  Speaker 1: something that you have achieved here.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not, this is not, false praise.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not just sucking up to you because you're the audience,
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  Speaker 1: although I'll admit that's part of it. We have been
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  Speaker 1: on this issue for as long as any show that
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  Speaker 1: I'm aware of. Just on the Save America Act and
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  Speaker 1: getting the United States Senate to do its job, telling
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  Speaker 1: people what's possible, that a simple majority vote is achievable
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  Speaker 1: if you can get all these Republicans on board. We've
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  Speaker 1: just been relentlessly pounding this story. And we've had on
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: as many of the guests as we possibly can to
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: help accentuate this, including Rachel Bovard over at the Conservative
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: Partnership Institute.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: She was just on with me Friday on the radio show.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: And the thing that we're doing is we have forced
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: the United States Senate to do something that they didn't
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: want to do. Now, no Democrat wants to do this
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: at all. And a lot of the establishment Republicans just
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: didn't want to do this at all. They think it's
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: a big waste of time. They think That stolen elections
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: is a hoax. I'm giving you the range of reasons
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: why they're against this. They're also against the idea that
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: voters get to dictate their schedule. And maybe the worst
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: kept secret is they don't like working. They don't actually
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: want to take the floor of the Senate and mount
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: a valiant effort that takes a lot of endurance and
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: standing and sitting and bathroom breaks and on and on.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: It's just a lot.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: It's a marathon work session that they're not interested in.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: The Senate is very happy with this three-day work week
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: and then not really doing much the rest of the time.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: So like, and being called the United States Senator, it's
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: a big deal.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: I'm a Senator.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, why don't you earn the title? Why don't
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: you actually do the job? So thank you for every
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: one of you. I'm still getting messages this morning. There
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: are people who are sending in messages copies of responses
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: that they're getting from Senate offices, letters, emails, with sometimes
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: squirrely language from senators. I have one listener this morning
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: send me a screen grab of a letter that she
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: got back from Senator John Curtis.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: In Utah, a guy who's not for using the speaking filibuster.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: He's been resistant to it.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: And it was like, you know, the typical head pat
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: language from a Republican senator, which is like, oh, yeah,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: I really care about the Save America Act. It's really important,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: but it was meant to kind of placate her and
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: just make her go away. But without a full commitment to,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: I'm fighting for the speaking filibuster. I'm going to get
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: this all the way across the finish line. I'm doing
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: everything I can to get it passed. Nothing like that
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: kind of resolve is built into the letter, and that's
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: deeply frustrating. But the cool thing is that she was
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: attuned to it.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: She sees it. She shared it with me, and she goes,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: look at this language. It's like squirrelly. The guy's running
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: away from his obligations. And this.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: This pressure that you've been placing, this attention to detail
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: that you've been wielding has generated so much more forward
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: momentum than anybody expected, including, I would.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Say, including the people who've been pushing for it. Just like, wow,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: we got this a little bit further than we thought.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Sure enough, starting tomorrow, John Thune is expected to begin
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: a floor debate that some outlets are now claiming could
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: last at least a week and maybe two weeks. Now,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Mike Lee is speaking out about this. And he goes, hey, look,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: I'm guardedly optimistic. Mike Lee, take a look. Here's Mike Lee,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: cut one, at what he's saying lately.
• 18:34
  Speaker 7: Okay, important update on the Save America Act and the
• 18:37
  Speaker 7: effort to get it passed. Look, I am guardedly optimistic.
• 18:40
  Speaker 7: We've turned kind of a corner.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Over the last.
• 18:43
  Speaker 7: Few days, there's been some uncertainty about exactly what procedure
• 18:46
  Speaker 7: we will be and will not be using. In the end,
• 18:50
  Speaker 7: we've been working closely with Leader Thune and his staff,
• 18:53
  Speaker 7: and they've been great to work with. What we're coming
• 18:56
  Speaker 7: up with is something that I think is best described
• 18:58
  Speaker 7: as a hybrid version of the talking filibuster. But look,
• 19:02
  Speaker 7: let's not get mired down in nomenclature. What matters far
• 19:05
  Speaker 7: more than what we call it is what we do
• 19:07
  Speaker 7: with it.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: We're going to bring it to the floor.
• 19:09
  Speaker 7: We're going to debate it for an extended period of
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: time before filing cloture.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: And in my view, at.
• 19:15
  Speaker 7: Least, I don't want to speak for anyone else, this
• 19:17
  Speaker 7: bill needs to remain on the Senate floor before we
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: file cloture on the bill for as long as it
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: takes to get it done. Now, the fact that Leader
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: Thune and his office have been willing to work with
• 19:28
  Speaker 7: us on this, and they appear open to a variation
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: of that, is a good thing. So let's keep up
• 19:34
  Speaker 7: the momentum. Let's encourage them to continue to do this.
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: Let's put the bill on the floor. Let's make those
• 19:39
  Speaker 7: who want a filibuster speak and keep it on there
• 19:42
  Speaker 7: as long as possible.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Thanks so much.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Basically, let's go the distance with this thing. Let's take
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: this as far as we possibly can. No rapid conclusion
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: to this. We need massive debate. And what does debate create?
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Not only does it create a moment where people are
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: exposed for what they truly believe, like, you know, and
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: this is why I've been saying, well, we don't need
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: show votes for Democrats.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: We know they want an open border. That's not a surprise.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: But just remember, The fact that we get these guys
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: debating and talking and making their case for and against
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: the Save America Act will have political consequences for the country.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: It will expose the failures among the Republicans. It'll expose
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: the callousness of these Democrats. It'll show who the actual
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: MAGA champions truly are. A lot will be exposed by
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: this process. And when things are exposed, it creates political pressures.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: whether that means ejecting people who suck or actually changing
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: votes among people who realize that the position they currently
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: have is completely untenable. This debate needs to be as
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: long as possible, stretched out as long as possible.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: And here's one more big reason for that. And we'll
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: get into some more on the Save America Act in
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: a moment. But one more big reason for this. What
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: you are doing right now is you are structuring this
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: into the DNA of the Republican Party.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: And I don't just mean leadership. I don't just mean
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: elected officials.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, right now, you, the active, thinking, engaged American,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: somebody who's following politics closely enough to know what the
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Save America Act even is, what you've done is you've
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: now made this conversation completely national. That Republicans all across
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: the country, regardless of how attentive they are to the
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: day-to-day machinations of Washington, are now making this a part
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: of their political cause. This is now hardwired into everybody.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: What do you want out of a legislator? What do
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: you want out of an elected official? I want my
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: elections safeguarded. This is priority one. Now, for voters across
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: the country, people who hadn't maybe spent a great deal
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: of time thinking about it, all of a sudden thinking
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: about it very sincerely, Wait a second, photo ID? Yeah,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: that's what I want. But American citizens should only be
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: the ones registered to vote. They should prove it when
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: they register. Yeah, that's what I want. Voting rolls should
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: be clean. Yeah, that's what I want. Non-citizens shouldn't be
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: on them. Dead people shouldn't be on them. The same
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: people shouldn't be on duplicate voter rolls all across the country. Yeah,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: that's what I want. This is hardwired into the right now.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: And with each passing day of debate in the United
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: States Senate, we are creating a stronger, I don't want
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: to say Republican party, just a stronger population that has
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: common sense. The only way we can improve our country
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: fundamentally is if the voters who ultimately control its destiny
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: for now know exactly what they want and pursue it
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: with ferocity. And what we want right now is credible elections,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: which is why we have to stay in this fight.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: So whatever the result of the Save America Act debate
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: on the Senate floor over the next few weeks, whatever
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: the result of that, and I'm not even beginning to
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: promise that this thing is going to pass. I'm interested
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: to see what happens next, because as I said earlier,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: nobody can tell the future. But whatever the result here,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: we have trained an entire generation of activists to make
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: this priority one. And if we stay in this fight,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: we can actually accomplish it.
• 23:24
  Speaker 8: We can.
• 23:25
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  Speaker 3: All right.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Let's continue on the Save America Act. Mike Lee says
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: he's guardedly optimistic.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: I'll take it. J.D.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Vance is making the case for the Save America Act.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: He was just out in North Carolina on Friday. And
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: here's what he had to say. The vice president of
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: the United States.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Cut to.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: If you know anything about this legislation, what the Save
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: America Act does is that it makes it impossible for
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: illegal aliens to vote in our elections. Pretty common sense. Now,
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: I think that's pretty easy, right?
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: We don't want illegal aliens voting in our elections.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: My favorite thing is whenever I bring this up, you'll
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: have some Democrat on TV who will say, well, we
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: don't have to worry about that because illegal immigrants voting
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: in our elections is very rare. Well, number one, how
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: about we put it to zero? OK, even if you're right.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: Number two, you're not right. It happens way more often
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: than a lot.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Of people appreciate.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: In fact, just this week, ICE arrested an illegal immigrant.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: I'm going to read this because I want to make
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: sure I get it right. An illegal immigrant from Mauritania
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: who's voted in seven federal elections since 2008. And I
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: haven't got good authority that at every single election he
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: voted for Don Davis.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know about that.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know where he voted, but I guarantee it
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: wasn't for us.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: OK, it wasn't for America first policies. Now, here's the thing, though.
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: Even if you take the Democrats at their word, even
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: if illegal aliens voting is very rare. Then why don't
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: we ban it anyway?
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: It's not that complicated.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: It is one thing to say, I don't get it.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: The Democrats say this never happens or it happens only
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: very rarely on the one hand. And on the other hand,
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: we must not stop it. It doesn't make a damn
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: bit of sense. We need to get all illegal aliens
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: stopping from voting in our elections. It's very common sense stuff.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's right about that.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: And the hysterics by the left is all the proof
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: in the world that they're very aware that they're the beneficiaries.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Of illegal votes.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: And in no doubt, many of them encourage that very thing.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: And the reason they don't want election integrity is to
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: protect that scheme.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Duh. This is why they're fighting. If this was nothing, if.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: This was just a random thing, if this would be
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: like naming a post office, they could pass it with
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: unanimous consent in the Senate. Everyone yawns and moves on
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: with their work. Yet here we are fighting for the basics. Yeah,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: that's because they're cheating.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: That's why.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: It's as simple as that.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: And J.D.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Vance indicating that smartly. By the way, I hear that J.D.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Vance and President Trump are set to do some media
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: today together, an event together. So I'm looking forward to
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: the two of them together. They have a lot to
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: talk about.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: My guess is the Save America Act is one of
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: the things that will come up and certainly the war
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: in Iran. A lot to discuss. on that subject.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: In fact, we'll be talking a little bit more about
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: the war and what's going on with Buck Sexton here
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: in just a moment. But finally, before we move on,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: one more on the Save America Act for you. Two, well,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: let's make it two.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: I say one more. Let's do two.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Mike Lee is also addressing the myths that Democrats are
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: spreading about it. The left keeps saying that Americans are
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: going to be denied the ability to register to vote
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: if You know, if they get like married and they
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: change their last name or.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: If they don't have the right documents, they don't have
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: their documents.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, they won't be able to vote just because, you know,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: a fire burned up their document and now they can't vote.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Mike Lee says, no, we've we've thought of everything, actually.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: We've we've fixed all of this. Watch a little bit
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: of Mike.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Mike Lee here. Cut three.
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: We took great pains to go out of our way
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: to make sure that no American, no American would be
• 28:28
  Speaker 7: left in the dark. Well, this will not cost them
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: a dime. And no one will be excluded if they
• 28:34
  Speaker 7: can't find their documentation.
• 28:35
  Speaker 8: All of us should be aware of the fact of
• 28:37
  Speaker 8: what is required by this act when it comes to
• 28:40
  Speaker 8: registering to vote. You have to present identification, correct? But
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: your driver's license, which most people use in the course
• 28:48
  Speaker 8: of business every single day, is not acceptable. What is
• 28:52
  Speaker 8: acceptable is a passport. 50% of Americans do not have
• 28:56
  Speaker 8: a passport. Those who want to obtain it so they
• 28:59
  Speaker 8: can vote will pay $ 186 and wait three or four
• 29:02
  Speaker 8: weeks for that to happen. Secondly, you can use a
• 29:05
  Speaker 8: birth certificate. But any person who has changed their name
• 29:10
  Speaker 8: as a result of a marriage or a hyphenated relationship
• 29:15
  Speaker 8: has to find not only their birth certificate but some
• 29:17
  Speaker 8: correction of it to prove that they're eligible or registered
• 29:20
  Speaker 8: to vote.
• 29:21
  Speaker 7: I'm happy to report to my dear friend and colleague,
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: Senator Durbin from Illinois.
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: You're in luck.
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: We've taken care of that. When you read the bill,
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: what you'll discover is that we've made special accommodation for
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: those who don't have documentation, for those who can't find
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: their birth certificate, maybe their house burned down. maybe their
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: dog ate it, whatever it is. When all else fails,
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: if you don't have documentation establishing the information on your
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: birth certificate or what would be in a passport or otherwise,
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: The bill contains a provision requiring each state to allow
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: an alternative mechanism by which someone can, by attestation, issue
• 30:02
  Speaker 7: a sworn statement establishing the critical facts underlying their citizenship.
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: It then puts the onus on the state to follow
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: up on that and to determine the authenticity of it.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: States have access.
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: To their own records, states have reciprocity with other states
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: and are able to achieve verification of that. So we've
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: taken care of that problem. And so I'm sure you'll
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: be elated to hear that. And we look forward to having.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Your affirmative vote.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: That's perfect.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: So there's Mike Lee explaining really clearly, look, we've created
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: all sorts of mechanisms here to make sure that no
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: American citizen is left out to dry, that they will
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: be able to vote. They will be able to register.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: We've got it all locked up. I don't know what
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: your objections are. You are, once again, ridiculous.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Ridiculous, Durbin.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Finally, on the Save America Act, and then we'll get
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: to the great Buck Sexton, we've got 40 or 50
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: House Republicans right now. 40 or 50 House Republicans who
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: are refusing to take up any Senate legislation until the
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Save America Act is passed. Here's Brandon Gill this weekend
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: revealing this fascinating piece of information.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Watch.
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: You know, I would guess that right now there are
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: probably 40 or 50 Republicans that are not going to
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: vote for any piece of legislation from the Senate. That's
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: a large chunk of the Republican conference. And again, I
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: think it's because we realize, we recognize that this is
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: the political issue of the day right now.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: The 40 or 50 Republicans. So this is not typical. Normally,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: House Republicans, House members stay out of the Senate's business.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Here they are going, no, no, no, we're all up
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: in your business now. We're not passing anything until you
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: send us the Save America Act. The exception, I think,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: is DHS funding. That's the only thing that they'll pass through.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Other than that, nothing. Save America Act or nothing. That's
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: a lot of people. The margins are not that big.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: 40 or 50? That's a big deal.
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Let me thank our great sponsors, and we'll get to
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Buck here in just a moment. Everybody's talking about what
• 32:02
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  Speaker 1: No more wasting time. Buck Sexton joins us now. You,
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  Speaker 2: He does it all. Got a lot of great experience
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  Speaker 2: in the world.
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  Speaker 1: He's also got a great new book, Manufacturing Delusion, How
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  Speaker 1: the Left Uses Brainwashing indoctrination and propaganda against you.
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  Speaker 2: Buck, it's nice to see and talk to you again, sir.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 35:00
  Speaker 9: Thank you, Vince, for letting me come on and tell
• 35:03
  Speaker 9: everybody about this fabulous New York Times bestseller, which I
• 35:06
  Speaker 9: hope that they will all get. It's actually a really
• 35:08
  Speaker 9: good book. And unlike a lot of people in media,
• 35:11
  Speaker 9: I wrote it. Like I sat at a computer for
• 35:14
  Speaker 9: countless hours after doing lots of research. I didn't pay
• 35:18
  Speaker 9: some person to pretend to be me to write the book.
• 35:21
  Speaker 9: And I think that this is something we should normalize
• 35:24
  Speaker 9: the writing of books when we actually say we've written them.
• 35:28
  Speaker 9: And in this case, look, this comes out of a
• 35:30
  Speaker 9: very straightforward question. Why are so many people going nuts?
• 35:37
  Speaker 9: How are people believing all this crazy stuff? And I
• 35:41
  Speaker 9: looked at the psychological, psychiatric, and even neurological roots of
• 35:47
  Speaker 9: how you can abuse people's sense of reality to get
• 35:51
  Speaker 9: them to believe what you want for the purposes of control,
• 35:55
  Speaker 9: for the purposes of politics. I mean, so we're talking BLM, COVID,
• 35:59
  Speaker 9: climate change, men can be women, women can have penises,
• 36:04
  Speaker 9: you name it, all this stuff.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:06
  Speaker 9: I get into in the book, well, how does this happen? Like, no,
• 36:09
  Speaker 9: but really how does it happen? Where does it come from?
• 36:11
  Speaker 9: Where does it start in the mind? What are the
• 36:13
  Speaker 9: tactics they use? And I went to totalitarian societies which
• 36:18
  Speaker 9: have done this for more extreme ways and over a
• 36:22
  Speaker 9: longer period of time than anywhere else in history and
• 36:25
  Speaker 9: looked at what they do. So this is basically a
• 36:28
  Speaker 9: play-by-play of how to make people nuts so you can
• 36:31
  Speaker 9: control them.
• 36:32
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: People are saying, wow, it's good to know this stuff.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Why are people so resistant to breaking free? That's the
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: big thing. We always are talking about like, well, how
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: can we convince the whole? That's the people who are
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: still believing that men can become women and vice versa
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: and who are, convinced that they're guilty of something by
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: virtue of their own skin color. Why is it that people,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: it's so difficult to break people free of these delusions?
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Well, for one thing, I think a lot of people
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: prefer to be controlled.
• 37:00
  Speaker 9: I think that that's something that we see, and this
• 37:02
  Speaker 9: really even goes beyond the scope, I think, in some
• 37:05
  Speaker 9: ways of my book, but there's people who think that
• 37:09
  Speaker 9: human freedom is a fundamental desire I have a very
• 37:14
  Speaker 9: hard time understanding, well, hold on a second.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: What do you mean you want to be told what
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: to do? Why do you want to submit?
• 37:22
  Speaker 9: But there is also, I don't know if it's an
• 37:25
  Speaker 9: obedience gene. And like I said, this actually goes outside
• 37:28
  Speaker 9: the scope of my book. But there are people, quite clearly,
• 37:31
  Speaker 9: who don't want the responsibility of making decisions. They want
• 37:35
  Speaker 9: to be told what to do. They want to be
• 37:36
  Speaker 9: told what to do is too much even. They want
• 37:38
  Speaker 9: to be told what to think. But in manufacturing delusion,
• 37:41
  Speaker 9: I get into, well, how do you make someone so
• 37:45
  Speaker 9: obedient that they won't really have to think very much
• 37:48
  Speaker 9: for themselves? And it's not in vague, like general terms.
• 37:52
  Speaker 9: I mean, I get into conditioning, Pavlovian conditioning. I get
• 37:55
  Speaker 9: into something called menticide, which I explain in a whole
• 37:59
  Speaker 9: chapter in the book, which is kind of destruction of
• 38:01
  Speaker 9: the mind. And then thought reform, the rebuilding of the
• 38:04
  Speaker 9: mind as the Maoist Chinese did in a certain model.
• 38:08
  Speaker 9: And then forced phobia, something used in cults and then
• 38:11
  Speaker 9: identity construction used in radicalization processes. Isolation, the role of isolation,
• 38:17
  Speaker 9: the role of false confession. I mean, all of these
• 38:20
  Speaker 9: things I explain with a lot of history, by the way.
• 38:23
  Speaker 9: So for your audience who just like to learn cool history,
• 38:25
  Speaker 9: I mean, do you know where the idea for Stalin
• 38:29
  Speaker 9: and Hitler's secret.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Police came from?
• 38:31
  Speaker 9: You got to go back hundreds of years and you
• 38:34
  Speaker 9: will learn that it actually comes from Ivan the Terrible.
• 38:37
  Speaker 9: I mean, so there's a lot of really interesting stuff
• 38:40
  Speaker 9: that I came across because I read about 20 books
• 38:43
  Speaker 9: before I wrote the book, just pure research. And I
• 38:47
  Speaker 9: think that people will find that they'll learn a lot.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: And they'll also be able to answer this question, Vince.
• 38:52
  Speaker 9: If they buy Manufacturing Delusion, which I've been coached, I
• 38:55
  Speaker 9: might add, because this is my first actual book that
• 38:58
  Speaker 9: I've written because I wrote it, as I said. Did
• 39:00
  Speaker 9: you have to say the name of the book like
• 39:01
  Speaker 9: every five seconds? I'm trying not to do it every
• 39:03
  Speaker 9: five seconds. But in Manufacturing Delusion, people will pick up
• 39:07
  Speaker 9: a lot of history and a lot of the sort
• 39:09
  Speaker 9: of basic science of this stuff. But also, how is
• 39:13
  Speaker 9: it possible that everyone during COVID, not everyone, but most people,
• 39:17
  Speaker 9: a lot of people, thought that masking up between bites
• 39:21
  Speaker 9: on an airplane wasn't the craziest.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: Thing they had ever heard?
• 39:24
  Speaker 9: How did you get airline attendants and airline executives to
• 39:27
  Speaker 9: go along with, if you mask up in between the
• 39:30
  Speaker 9: bites on the plane, you're protecting people around you. Pure
• 39:35
  Speaker 9: obedience training, pure Pavlovian conditioning, pure mind control.
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: And getting everyone to ignore science in the pursuit of
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: that ridiculousness. I mean, even Even when that first developed,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: when they first started forcing everybody to mask up on airplanes,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I remember the early research on that buck instantly told
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: us that that was horseshit because they were like, You
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: know that airplanes have the best filtration systems imaginable. There's
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: no way anybody's getting sick even sitting next to somebody
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: with COVID.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: And it didn't matter.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Everybody was forced into this bizarro struggle session anyway, to
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: the point that people were being arrested and dragged off
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: of airplanes for not wearing masks.
• 40:12
  Speaker 9: Did you ever see that, by the way? I was
• 40:13
  Speaker 9: on a plane where that happened, where people didn't mask.
• 40:16
  Speaker 9: It wasn't they were refusing to mask, but that they
• 40:20
  Speaker 9: had pulled them down too often for the the Stalinist
• 40:24
  Speaker 9: prison guard airline attendants liking. And she was like, that's it,
• 40:28
  Speaker 9: you're done. And they pulled them off and they dragged
• 40:31
  Speaker 9: them off the plane too.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: It was two young women. They dragged them off the plane,
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: the whole thing.
• 40:36
  Speaker 9: So yeah, I mean, and this is the stuff that
• 40:38
  Speaker 9: was going on. And people, I just want to be
• 40:40
  Speaker 9: so clear because I know some people, I actually think
• 40:42
  Speaker 9: that COVID is almost too uncomfortable for people to go
• 40:46
  Speaker 9: back and look. I think it's like a trauma that
• 40:48
  Speaker 9: people don't want to revisit. you know, COVID books on
• 40:51
  Speaker 9: COVID or what happened, by the way, generally do very poorly.
• 40:54
  Speaker 9: I know this because initially I wanted to focus even
• 40:56
  Speaker 9: more on just the psychology of what happened in COVID.
• 40:59
  Speaker 9: My publisher to their credit, they were like, no, like
• 41:02
  Speaker 9: you got to make this broader, bigger. You got to
• 41:04
  Speaker 9: make this about politics today. So manufacturing delusion COVID is like,
• 41:08
  Speaker 9: is like less than 5% of the book. It was
• 41:10
  Speaker 9: a tiny little, little part of the book where I
• 41:12
  Speaker 9: get into this stuff. But I also started to see
• 41:15
  Speaker 9: it more and more in other.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Things as well.
• 41:18
  Speaker 9: I mean, The whole notion, for example, of land acknowledgements,
• 41:23
  Speaker 9: one of the ways that they break you down is
• 41:25
  Speaker 9: to get you to confess, but not just to confess,
• 41:26
  Speaker 9: but false confession. As in, you have to admit to
• 41:29
  Speaker 9: doing something wrong that you didn't do and you did nothing,
• 41:33
  Speaker 9: but this is important because it undermines your sense of self.
• 41:36
  Speaker 9: There's actually a reason why false confession existed in in
• 41:41
  Speaker 9: the most prominent ways, the Soviet Union, Maoist China, and
• 41:45
  Speaker 9: now college campuses, and now land acknowledgements at city council meetings.
• 41:49
  Speaker 9: They make you do this for reasons. They make you
• 41:52
  Speaker 9: do this because it is a mechanism of control.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, it conditions you to surrender.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: So did you find, I think a lot of people
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: first became familiar with you, now you have a wildly
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: successful career in media, but people first became familiar with
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: you oftentimes because you were called upon on cable television
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: to comment on things that you had experienced in your
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: own life or some expertise you had accrued as a
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: CIA analyst. And did you find, as you wrote this
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: book and you were thinking through these issues, that you
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: identified things in manufacturing delusion that you knew from the
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: world of the CIA, like in terms of the way
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: people think and how they operate?
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely.
• 42:32
  Speaker 9: First of all, thank you for knowing about the rise
• 42:35
  Speaker 9: of the Buxter and how that all happened. I used
• 42:37
  Speaker 9: to go on Fox News. I'll tell you a quick story.
• 42:41
  Speaker 9: They had someone on, I won't say what show and
• 42:43
  Speaker 9: I won't say, but it was one of the primetime
• 42:46
  Speaker 9: shows a long time ago.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: And they had invited me on because I am young looking.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Like you, by the way, you are ageless. What is
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: your regimen?
• 42:53
  Speaker 9: How does your, does your audience, are you selling skincare products?
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: No, I'm holding out on the audience. I have an
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: amazing skincare regimen. Yeah, that's the key.
• 43:01
  Speaker 9: There's something going on here, buddy. You have not aged
• 43:03
  Speaker 9: a day. I've known you over a decade. Okay, back to,
• 43:06
  Speaker 9: but so they had me and I was, I swear
• 43:08
  Speaker 9: I was going to be on a youth panel. That's
• 43:11
  Speaker 9: what they did. It was like at the end of
• 43:12
  Speaker 9: the show. And it was like, Justin Bieber shirtless has
• 43:14
  Speaker 9: been arrested.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: Like, what do you think? And I'd be like, hey,
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: I'm like hip and young. And I was sitting there
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: and I was.
• 43:20
  Speaker 9: Like, hey, the top of the show, you guys were
• 43:22
  Speaker 9: just talking about a counterterrorism, a specific counterterrorism unit that
• 43:27
  Speaker 9: operates with the NYPD, but also the FBI and even
• 43:30
  Speaker 9: has contact with the CIA.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: I was like, I was in that unit. Like I
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: was in the unit.
• 43:36
  Speaker 9: Do you want me to talk about it at some point? Like,
• 43:39
  Speaker 9: I mean, you can have the lawyer from, you know,
• 43:43
  Speaker 9: the foundation for, you know, rights of the constitution or whatever.
• 43:48
  Speaker 9: You can have this guy talk about it. But I
• 43:49
  Speaker 9: was actually in the unit doing this stuff.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: And they were like, really? And I was like, really?
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: Sure enough, they had me back to their credit. And
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: that was sort of the beginning of me doing more.
• 43:59
  Speaker 9: Of that stuff.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I was in the CIA 2005, 2011
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: or 2000. Yeah, 2005, 2011 or yes, sorry.
• 44:07
  Speaker 9: I'm trying to make sure I don't get my resume wrong.
• 44:09
  Speaker 9: And the years that I was there, mostly it was
• 44:12
  Speaker 9: counterterrorism center. I spent a year at the NYPD intelligence
• 44:15
  Speaker 9: division doing a rotation. The CIA basically set it up
• 44:17
  Speaker 9: so I could go and help out there while still
• 44:20
  Speaker 9: keeping my clearances active and everything else back at Langley.
• 44:23
  Speaker 9: So one thing that I do get into in the book,
• 44:26
  Speaker 9: but first of all, I had to clear it. I
• 44:28
  Speaker 9: had to really clear the book because I talk about
• 44:30
  Speaker 9: some CIA stuff. And I was surprised, like they let me,
• 44:32
  Speaker 9: I can say it now, they let me, my first
• 44:34
  Speaker 9: CIA mission, which is like the opening of the book,
• 44:37
  Speaker 9: was to Nigeria. And you're like, Buck, why would you
• 44:40
  Speaker 9: be going to Nigeria 20, this is 20 years ago.
• 44:44
  Speaker 9: And it was because I had in my deep reading
• 44:47
  Speaker 9: in my cubicle come across some early reporting that there's
• 44:53
  Speaker 9: some really bad stuff happening in Nigeria and that there
• 44:56
  Speaker 9: was some very ominous efforts, including from like Al Qaeda
• 45:04
  Speaker 9: to start to set up the beginnings of radicalization centers,
• 45:11
  Speaker 9: identity construction, as I call it in the book, but
• 45:13
  Speaker 9: basically radicalization, you know, using external money and external resources.
• 45:20
  Speaker 9: And there was huge fighting over this because there always
• 45:22
  Speaker 9: is in the government. And so they're like, you know what,
• 45:24
  Speaker 9: send the kid, which is me, like send the kid.
• 45:27
  Speaker 9: He'll like, he'll bounce around. There was like a training mission.
• 45:30
  Speaker 9: They were like, yeah, you know, it was very back.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: Of hand, like nonchalant, no one knew it.
• 45:35
  Speaker 9: And I got there and I actually linked up with
• 45:37
  Speaker 9: a very seasoned team of people, I can say about it,
• 45:41
  Speaker 9: who ended up taking me all over the country and
• 45:47
  Speaker 9: figuring out the origins of Boko Haram. Like, I was there,
• 45:50
  Speaker 9: I came back, and I'm like, yeah, I think we
• 45:51
  Speaker 9: got a real problem here, guys. By the way, of course,
• 45:53
  Speaker 9: the government was like, eh, shut up. We're trying to
• 45:55
  Speaker 9: find bin Laden. Like, go back to West Africa, kid.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: No one cares, you know?
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: By the way, when you arrive in Nigeria, everybody instantly
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: knew you were CIA.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: I just want to be clear. There's no.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: There was no....
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Like, that guy's not blending in.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: I'm there. I mean, in the book, it makes it
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: very clear. Like, I'm not.
• 46:12
  Speaker 9: I'm obviously not, like... undercover in the sense of like,
• 46:15
  Speaker 9: you know, people, you know, people are like, they're like,
• 46:18
  Speaker 9: who is this guy? Like what government, all it is,
• 46:20
  Speaker 9: is what government agency does this kid who's like 24
• 46:23
  Speaker 9: work for?
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: Like, you know, that's not obvious.
• 46:25
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: So, and I wasn't, I wasn't trying to blend it.
• 46:28
  Speaker 9: It was actually trying the government there actually to the
• 46:31
  Speaker 9: government's credit was like, Hey, I think we might have
• 46:33
  Speaker 9: a problem here.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: Like, can you come take a look at it?
• 46:36
  Speaker 9: It wasn't, You know, it wasn't in this context of like,
• 46:39
  Speaker 9: I'm sneaking in with like a mustache and whatever. And
• 46:43
  Speaker 9: so my point, though, is that in the in the
• 46:45
  Speaker 9: earliest days and in Manufacturing Delusion, which I'm telling, you know,
• 46:49
  Speaker 9: the number one thing I get about the book is Vince.
• 46:51
  Speaker 9: People go, it's actually it's actually really good. And I mean,
• 46:54
  Speaker 9: on the one hand, I'm really happy to hear that.
• 46:58
  Speaker 9: On the other hand, I'm like, you know, because I'm
• 47:00
  Speaker 9: like a radio guy. I can't get it's actually a
• 47:02
  Speaker 9: really good book. It's really interesting. There's real research. There's
• 47:05
  Speaker 9: real stories.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: But yeah, so the CIA cleared the book.
• 47:08
  Speaker 9: And so I can talk about Nigeria, talk about Iraq,
• 47:10
  Speaker 9: I talk about Afghanistan too. Some of my work in
• 47:12
  Speaker 9: Iraq was, again, on the, you know, analytics side, but
• 47:15
  Speaker 9: I got out and did, you know, I went outside
• 47:18
  Speaker 9: the wire and did meetings and things like that too.
• 47:20
  Speaker 9: Because people forget, like when you're in a war zone
• 47:22
  Speaker 9: and you're not at Langley, you're not like under the
• 47:24
  Speaker 9: thumb of all of the managerial class, you show up
• 47:28
  Speaker 9: in a war zone and you're like in some house
• 47:30
  Speaker 9: and there's sandbags around it. And there are some, you know,
• 47:33
  Speaker 9: Kurdish guys with PKMs who are like, all that's separating
• 47:36
  Speaker 9: you from the next suicide bomber.
• 47:38
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: If you say like, Hey, I'll go do this. Let's go.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: That's what happens.
• 47:44
  Speaker 9: It's a very different, it's not like, Oh, are you,
• 47:47
  Speaker 9: you know, it's like, you have a gun, you've been trained,
• 47:49
  Speaker 9: let's go. So there was opportunity to do things like that.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: Anyway, back to what I saw.
• 47:54
  Speaker 9: So the suicide bomber pipeline in, and this is part
• 47:57
  Speaker 9: of one of the chapters as well, bringing people usually
• 47:59
  Speaker 9: that enter Syria and then come into Iraq from the Syria,
• 48:02
  Speaker 9: Iraq border. But I mean, how do you convince people
• 48:06
  Speaker 9: from some country, I mean, whether it's Chechnya or it's
• 48:11
  Speaker 9: Birmingham in the UK, I mean, you know, or the
• 48:14
  Speaker 9: US or wherever, how do you convince people to show
• 48:16
  Speaker 9: up in a foreign country, strap a suicide vest on
• 48:18
  Speaker 9: and blow up random people they've never met before, they
• 48:21
  Speaker 9: know nothing about?
• 48:22
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: Tactics of mind control I get into in the book.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: It's amazing. But the difference, it seems.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: is with radical Islam, at least there's some sort of
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: like distorted picture of eternity that's built into it. Like
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: this is like to serve some higher power or whatever.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: But what is this on, in like the American left? Like,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: what are they working for? Like this radicalization pipeline, how
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: is it that they become, like we have, Buck, you
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: know this, we have an assassination culture on the American left.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: We've talked about it pretty extensively that remember Rutgers University
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: did this survey, up to 50% of the left thinks
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: it would be totally legitimate for Donald Trump to be assassinated.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Nearly as many nearly as many think that Elon Musk
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: deserves to be assassinated, or at least did when he
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: was working closely with President Trump. There's something deeply wrong here.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Those that those are crazy levels of radicalization and they
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: have nothing to do with I'm doing this for God.
• 49:15
  Speaker 10: Well, there's an excellent series of observations and a tee
• 49:22
  Speaker 10: up for what I wanted to say, which is that
• 49:24
  Speaker 10: in Manufacturing Delusion, as you know, Vince, when you go
• 49:28
  Speaker 10: to publish a book, it's about a.
• 49:30
  Speaker 9: Year turnaround from submission of the manuscript to hard copy
• 49:35
  Speaker 9: in airports.
• 49:36
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 49:36
  Speaker 9: And my only regret with this book, really, is that
• 49:41
  Speaker 9: just based on the.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: World around us, I went to press. I mean, I
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: would have had to add chapters if I could have.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: I couldn't, obviously. But I went to press.
• 49:50
  Speaker 9: This happened, or rather, I handed it in before all
• 49:54
  Speaker 9: the trends started.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: You know, mass shootings that we've seen.
• 49:57
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 49:57
  Speaker 9: You know, before the, a lot of the sort of
• 50:04
  Speaker 9: hardcore ideological violence of the left, the assassination attempts on Trump.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, really like these, I had already.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: The assassination of Charlie.
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: All of you, Charlie.
• 50:15
  Speaker 9: Yeah. All of these things occurred after I had handed
• 50:20
  Speaker 9: in the manuscript because that's just the timing of books.
• 50:23
  Speaker 9: So now one, on the one hand, like I kind
• 50:25
  Speaker 9: of want to revisit this already, which is insane for
• 50:27
  Speaker 9: somebody who just went through the whole book process and whatever.
• 50:30
  Speaker 9: Like I want to add to it because I feel
• 50:31
  Speaker 9: like one of the primary theses of the book is
• 50:34
  Speaker 9: that this completely degrades a society and that in manufacturing delusion,
• 50:39
  Speaker 9: these delusions allow very bad people to achieve power. And
• 50:43
  Speaker 9: it is intentional. And there are steps, there are things
• 50:45
  Speaker 9: that they are doing. I mean, I get into weaponized law.
• 50:50
  Speaker 9: And I mean, a form of weaponized law is lawlessness
• 50:53
  Speaker 9: from the people who are supposed to enforce the law,
• 50:55
  Speaker 9: like prosecutors, right? I mean, these are things that destroy
• 50:59
  Speaker 9: the society all around you. But we've started to see
• 51:02
  Speaker 9: just how far, for example, the radicalization from the trans
• 51:08
  Speaker 9: ideology can go, where we have trans multiple cases of
• 51:13
  Speaker 9: mass murdering, trans terrorists or trans motivated, you know, trans
• 51:19
  Speaker 9: ideology motivated terrorists. And I mean, that just shows you
• 51:23
  Speaker 9: that people are willing to murder for these delusions, which
• 51:26
  Speaker 9: of course is also the case in the worst totalitarian dictatorships,
• 51:29
  Speaker 9: but people within a free Western society like America, right.
• 51:33
  Speaker 9: Willing to murder for these delusions, which is why I
• 51:36
  Speaker 9: think the book is so important.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: For people to see.
• 51:38
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: And, and, I think the big theological point is that
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: they make themselves God, that they can control everything, and
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: anybody who gets in.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: Their way deserves to die.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: So because you're so talented at promoting the book, you
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: followed the advice very well. We started on that topic,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: but I do want to ask you a little bit
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: about Iran, given just the very short time we have left.
• 51:59
  Speaker 9: Yeah, of course.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: So this weekend, we saw that we bombed Karg Island.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: This is a key oil island for the Iranians. But wisely,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: I would say, and I'll get to get your assessment
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: of this. President Trump went out of his way to say,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: we didn't bomb the oil infrastructure. All we're blowing up
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: is the military. We're blowing up every military target we can,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: but we're taking pains not to destroy the oil infrastructure
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: because we want the Iranian people to thrive. We want
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: the oil operations to work there. What do you make
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: of this strategy that the administration's using right now?
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: Look, it's the right move.
• 52:38
  Speaker 9: For them to make it clear that they're not trying
• 52:42
  Speaker 9: to destroy the oil infrastructure. Because if you do that,
• 52:45
  Speaker 9: you are massively punishing the civilian population. Because, I don't know, 60,
• 52:51
  Speaker 9: 70% of the Iranian economy, effectively, something like that, is
• 52:55
  Speaker 9: just the oil.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: And if you're talking about.
• 52:58
  Speaker 9: Hard currency denominated in dollars, et cetera, Iran is an
• 53:05
  Speaker 9: oil economy, as everybody knows. And you can't destroy that
• 53:08
  Speaker 9: infrastructure and not create mass shortages, much worse. Basically, no
• 53:15
  Speaker 9: bread on the shelves, no olive oil in the store.
• 53:18
  Speaker 9: So they recognize that. So that's good. But here's where
• 53:21
  Speaker 9: I am on this whole campaign so far. And I'm
• 53:26
  Speaker 9: very sympathetic to the initial impulse of we can't allow
• 53:30
  Speaker 9: the Iranians to continue to just play.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: The Iranians are never going to negotiate away their nuclear program.
• 53:35
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 53:35
  Speaker 9: Obvious, I think, to anybody who's being serious about this.
• 53:38
  Speaker 9: So given that reality, what can you do? Well, you
• 53:41
  Speaker 9: can try to get more leverage. And destroying their entire
• 53:44
  Speaker 9: military infrastructure gives you more leverage. The other piece of this, though,
• 53:47
  Speaker 9: which is the regime change aspect, which I know for
• 53:50
  Speaker 9: a lot of people is like a dirty phrase or
• 53:52
  Speaker 9: dirty words, there is no opposition there.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: And we would know.
• 53:58
  Speaker 9: So this is where the Trump administration is in a
• 53:59
  Speaker 9: tough spot. Because we're not going to do boots on
• 54:01
  Speaker 9: the ground. That is a red line. Trump will not
• 54:03
  Speaker 9: cross it, in my opinion. None of his advisors will
• 54:06
  Speaker 9: cross it. Pete Hegseth, who is a GWAT guy himself,
• 54:10
  Speaker 9: is in Baghdad. He's not going to do that. So
• 54:13
  Speaker 9: you have that. I think there are limitations that everyone
• 54:17
  Speaker 9: should just expect to self-created, in the moment, Arab Spring-style,
• 54:25
  Speaker 9: in this case.
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: Persian Spring-style opposition. It's just not there.
• 54:28
  Speaker 9: We would see it. The Kurds are not an option.
• 54:30
  Speaker 9: I saw that reporting about it. We went through this
• 54:32
  Speaker 9: in Iraq. The Kurds are great at controlling Kurdish areas.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: The Kurds are very valuable allies and fighters.
• 54:39
  Speaker 9: And I have a tremendous amount of respect for the
• 54:40
  Speaker 9: Kurdish people. Yes.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: But they're not going to be administering Tehran.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: So what do you predict?
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: That we'll see Tehran be run by kind of a
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: crippled Mullah force going forward?
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:50
  Speaker 9: Trump's going to declare victory within the next couple of
• 54:52
  Speaker 9: weeks and say, we destroyed their whole military. There'll be some,
• 54:55
  Speaker 9: we'll offer to them to have some continuation of negotiation
• 54:58
  Speaker 9: in the future. But there is no, and I'm sad
• 55:02
  Speaker 9: about this. I'm sad for the Iranian people, but there's no,
• 55:05
  Speaker 9: you know, lighting the mullahs posters on fire in Tehran
• 55:10
  Speaker 9: and saying we're going to have elections in six months
• 55:12
  Speaker 9: or a year or something.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: That's not happening.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: I saw the reports that the, we're sending the 31st
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: MEU to the area. So the MEU is a Marine
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Expeditionary Unit, big ship that amphibious. It carries about 2,000 Marines.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: And I called my dad yesterday. My dad's a retired
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Marine general. He was one of the top logistics officers
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: for a MEU. And I said, you know, the media
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: are just reporting this like we're going to have some
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: big Marine invasion. Like we're sending 2,000 Marines in.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: They're just going to invade the island, boots on the ground.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I assume there's a lot of other things
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: a MEU would do, right? And he goes, yeah.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: No, there's a lot of missions. In fact, if I'm CENTCOM,
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: I want a MEU in the area. I want the
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Marines involved. And there could be a million reasons. Like,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: for instance, if things go south and you need a
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: quick reaction force to rescue people who are in a
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: desperate situation.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: You want Marines on standby.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: If you need to interdict a ship or something, you
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: want Marines who can fast rope onto it. I mean,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: there are going to be scenarios where you want Marines
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: in the area. And so I'm asking about this, and
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: I think it goes back to the point you just made, Buck,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: which is like, I'm not anticipating some sort of ground
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: invasion there.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: And in fact, anytime anybody.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: At the White House is asked about this, they like
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: instantly try and get you off of that.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: They're like, no, that is not what's going on here.
• 56:26
  Speaker 9: Then it would fracture the MAGA coalition, honestly. It really,
• 56:31
  Speaker 9: a ground invasion would. This will not, in my opinion.
• 56:33
  Speaker 9: People that are freaking out about this, I think they're
• 56:36
  Speaker 9: going too far. I think that Iran is a problem
• 56:39
  Speaker 9: state that we needed to do something to change the
• 56:42
  Speaker 9: game with.
• 56:43
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 56:43
  Speaker 9: But- We're not going to land, we're not landing a
• 56:46
  Speaker 9: Mew to try to take the streets of Isfahan.
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: That's not happening.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: Let me get your reaction to one more piece of
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: breaking news and then I'll let you go here, Buck.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: This came out this morning and I love it. And
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: I love that you probably haven't seen it yet, although
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: you probably have, but we'll see. Guys, can you take
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: me full screen? This is the New York Post this morning.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: You ready for this? This is a hilarious piece on
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: a run. Trump briefed.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: That Iran's new Supreme Leader, Mashtaba Khamenei, is probably gay,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: and the president has a priceless reaction. This is Steven
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Nelson at the New York Post this morning. President Trump
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: was stunned to learn last week that US intelligence indicates
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: that new Iranian Supreme Leader, Mashtaba Khamenei, may be gay,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: and that his father, the late Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, feared
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: his suitability to rule the Islamic Republic for that reason.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: The Trump couldn't contain his surprise and laughed out loud
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: when he was briefed on the intel, according to sources.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Others in the room also found it hilarious and joined
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: the president's reaction, while one senior intelligence official has, quote,
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: not stopped laughing about it for days, said one person
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: familiar with the briefing. The shocking claim described in the
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: New York Post by two intelligence community officials and a
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: third person close to the White House. All three sources
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: saying the implausible allegation is viewed as.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Credible by U.S.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Spy agencies rather than false information intended to undermine comedy.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: So so here's the I guess the big takeaway this morning,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: Bucks X, and I need you to react to this
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: in as a in a very sensitive to LGBTQ issues
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: as possible way. Apparently, Trump has been laughing his ass
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: off for a week that a gay guy may.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: Have just taken over as the Supreme Leader in Iran.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Your thoughts?
• 58:37
  Speaker 8: Wow.
• 58:38
  Speaker 9: No, I actually hadn't seen. I feel like Trump, but
• 58:41
  Speaker 9: he's like, no.
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: No, I hadn't seen.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: You're telling me for the first time.
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: You're telling me for the first time.
• 58:45
  Speaker 9: That's, you know, the crazy world we live in, you
• 58:51
  Speaker 9: don't know what to expect. And I am not surprised
• 58:55
  Speaker 9: at all that Trump finds that very amusing.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: And I would just say that.
• 59:00
  Speaker 9: Anything that can undermine the Iranian leadership in the eyes
• 59:05
  Speaker 9: of their own people is probably very useful. And so true, untrue,
• 59:09
  Speaker 9: who knows? If this story gets out there and catches on,
• 59:12
  Speaker 9: it's going to be a problem for the Muslim clerics
• 59:15
  Speaker 9: that want to continue to be running that country. But
• 59:18
  Speaker 9: more of that kind of analysis, Manufacturing Delusion, my fine
• 59:21
  Speaker 9: book that I highly recommend. You like that pivot to
• 59:24
  Speaker 9: get me off the hot seat?
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: Incredible.
• 59:27
  Speaker 9: Incredible.
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: You naughty man.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I couldn't help it.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: They said, by the way, that one of the reasons
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: they know he's gay is because while he's recovering from
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: his devastating injuries, he's apparently completely disfigured.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: He's been hitting on all of the male nurses.
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: Is that really in there, or are you just making
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: this up?
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: I'm not making that up.
• 59:44
  Speaker 9: Are you just telling me that Mojtaba likes scented candles?
• 59:47
  Speaker 9: I mean, like, what's going on here?
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: It's dude. It's... This is real stuff, man. The New
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: York Post reported it. It's got to be real.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: Actually, Stephen's a great reporter. Stephen Nelson's a legitimately great reporter.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: So this is probably all totally authentic. Anyway, you're a
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: great guy. You've got a great book. The book is
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Manufacturing Delusion. Thank you, Buck, for doing this today.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 9: I'll come hang on the Vince podcast anytime.
• 1:00:05
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• 1:00:06
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• 1:00:11
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• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: Look, I'm just telling you what the news tells me.
• 1:00:19
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• 1:00:28
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