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Speaker 1: It's the good report.
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Speaker 2: Tonight, something you might not expect. Why this Murdoch's son
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Speaker 2: has just shown as a treacherous and entitled backstabber, and
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Speaker 2: why you should worry if he gets his hands on us.
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Speaker 1: This might be the last.
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Speaker 2: Editorial I ever do, but debate in Australian. In the
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Speaker 2: US is in real danger. I'll tell you about that.
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Speaker 2: Also tonight, Donald Trump makes the one of Europe's security
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Speaker 2: officials cry, would you believe? A symbol of Europe's terrible weakness?
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Speaker 2: And our top Trump official warns us our climate crusade
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Speaker 2: will destroy us a Lolso talk to a man found
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Speaker 2: guilty and find for bothering the rainbow serpent the first
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Speaker 2: time before I get to what I need to say
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Speaker 2: about James Murdock on the true crashing of his father
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Speaker 2: and his brother. What a low act I think they
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Speaker 2: have an easy Finally got the good news, well goodish
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Speaker 2: news that he desperately needed before calling election, almost certainly
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Speaker 2: for April. Finally today a cut in interest rates, the
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Speaker 2: first such cut in four years, the first after thirteen
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Speaker 2: rate rises. Just a little cut, just a quarter of
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Speaker 2: one percent for somemmer with half a million dollar mortgage
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Speaker 2: that will save them about two dollars sixty a day,
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Speaker 2: do not spend it all at once. So obviously it's
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Speaker 2: too little, too late. And with the Reserve Bank governor
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Speaker 2: actually warning don't expect another for a long time yet.
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Speaker 3: One of the chances that is the Reserve Bank is
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Speaker 3: one and done when it comes to interest rate cuts,
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Speaker 3: and today's cut could be the only one that we see.
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Speaker 4: I couldn't say. What I would say is that the
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Speaker 4: market is expecting quite a few more interest rate cuts
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Speaker 4: to it till the be middle of next year, about
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Speaker 4: three more on top of this. Whether or not that
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Speaker 4: eventuates is going to tend very much on the data.
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Speaker 4: Our feeling at the moment is that that is far
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Speaker 4: too confident that that suspending rate cuts as we'll be having.
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Speaker 2: That another clues. Sounded to me like the Reserve Bank
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Speaker 2: government was bullied into this decision by government nagging and
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Speaker 2: whatever whatever. The Treasurer though, rushed out to claim credit.
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Speaker 5: Under this labor government, inflation is down, wages are up,
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Speaker 5: unemployment is low, and now our interest rates are falling
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Speaker 5: as well. This is the soft landing that we have
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Speaker 5: been planning for and preparing for. But we can't be
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Speaker 5: complacent about the months and years ahead.
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Speaker 1: They planned all this.
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Speaker 2: But the opposition pointed out this was a little cut
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Speaker 2: after a lot of pain.
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Speaker 3: In the course of the last two and a half years.
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Speaker 3: As so, since interst rates have been rising, a typical
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Speaker 3: Australian householder has paid an extra fifty thousand dollars, an
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Speaker 3: extra fifty thousand dollars in interest rates than they had
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Speaker 3: expected to pay. And that has been a huge impost,
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Speaker 3: of course on Australian families who have been doing it very,
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Speaker 3: very tough. Now, despite the welcome cut today, it's a
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Speaker 3: long journey back to the standard of living Australians had
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Speaker 3: when these interstrate increases began. We've seen twelve interest rate
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Speaker 3: increases under Labor and one down now.
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Speaker 2: Well, that seems to be the view of voters in Dunkley,
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Speaker 2: Melbourne's mortgage belt, who were of one voice today when
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Speaker 2: scar News asked them. Everyone that was asked mail the
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Speaker 2: rate cut was going to make them vote Labor.
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Speaker 1: Labi's at their turn.
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Speaker 2: They've stuffed the economy up sufficiently, such time for change.
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Speaker 6: Will Anthony Abernezer get your support?
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Speaker 7: No?
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Speaker 8: But no, not this time he did last time.
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Speaker 9: Not this time.
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Speaker 2: Still for ALBINIZI this was the good news, the glimmer
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Speaker 2: of it that he needed to call an election to say,
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Speaker 2: you know, look, I'm the guy that brings inflation down.
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Speaker 2: So expected to wait only a couple more weeks, I'd say,
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Speaker 2: before calling an election for April, after the West Australian
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Speaker 2: election is out of the way.
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Speaker 1: Join me, is Mark Burres.
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Speaker 2: He's the founder of Wizard Home Loans, Australia's second largest
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Speaker 2: non bank mortgage lender, which he sold at quite a
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Speaker 2: good price in two thousand and four. Mark is now
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Speaker 2: executive chairman of Yellow Brick Road. Mark Buris, thank you
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Speaker 2: so much for joining me. Treasurer at Jim Charmers was
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Speaker 2: this afternoon congratulating himself.
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Speaker 1: He said this little cut was all part of his plan.
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Speaker 1: Is it a good plan?
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Speaker 6: It was a good plan for get a cut because
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Speaker 6: of him. But it's not the reason why we've got
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Speaker 6: a cut. He hasn't had anything to do with a cut.
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Speaker 6: The cut has come about as a result of Australians
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Speaker 6: restraining their spending habits as a result of higher regist rates,
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Speaker 6: and that's pretty much a.
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Speaker 9: Reflection of a response to with the reserve banks move.
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Speaker 6: So I don't see which government, whether a state or
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Speaker 6: federal government, has done anything to control in inflation in
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Speaker 6: this country. The flaces been control of this country by
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Speaker 6: virtue of consumers changing their spending behavior, and.
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Speaker 2: Certainly not governments controlling their spending behavior. Mark this did
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Speaker 2: feel to me a little bit like the rate cut
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Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank wasn't that sure about or felt compelled
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Speaker 2: to give, not necessarily because of the evidence in front
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Speaker 2: of it.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe I'm.
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Speaker 2: Reading too much into it, but Michelle Bullock, the bank governor,
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Speaker 2: did say the board had debated it and it wasn't sure.
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Speaker 2: There'd been more cuts for a while. Yet what do
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Speaker 2: you make of all that?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it seems to make sense because the trimmean rate,
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Speaker 6: which is currently a three point two percent that's the
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Speaker 6: sort of underlying inflation rate, still isn't in the two
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Speaker 6: to three zone where she'd like to see it. It's
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Speaker 6: traveling that direction. If you look at the December quarter
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Speaker 6: trimmed mean or core inflation number, it was point five percent.
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Speaker 6: If you extrapolate that out for two months, in other words,
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Speaker 6: multiply it by four, you'll take the view that core
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Speaker 6: inflation is currently running at two percent. That's great, but
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Speaker 6: if you go if you don't do that, you just
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Speaker 6: look at corre inflation for the December quarter, look at
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Speaker 6: correflation for the September, June and March quarter twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 6: Corre inflation is still three two point two percent, So
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Speaker 6: it depends on which way you go.
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Speaker 9: The debate I reckon that they've had.
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Speaker 6: Is should we look at the current data based on
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Speaker 6: a forward looking position, which gives us a two percent
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Speaker 6: cor inflation, or should we look at inflation based on
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Speaker 6: the way we normally look at it, That is historical
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Speaker 6: inflation for the past four quarters, including the December quarter,
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Speaker 6: which shows you a correflation of three point.
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Speaker 9: Two I reckon. That's the debate they've had.
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Speaker 6: But Australians have suffered for a long time with really
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Speaker 6: high cost of living Andrew and they have, on top
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Speaker 6: of that, suffered for a long time, or at.
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Speaker 9: Least three million Australians have suffered for a long.
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Speaker 6: Time with a really high morg rate like twelve rate
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Speaker 6: rises come off the back of a very low rate
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Speaker 6: and they probably thought, well, let's give them the benefit
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Speaker 6: of doubt and.
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Speaker 9: See what response we're going to get from the consumers.
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Speaker 1: Mag You know, it just so frustrates me.
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Speaker 2: You know, this country is sitting on so much wealth,
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Speaker 2: you know, oil and gas and uranium and coal and
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Speaker 2: all that, and we've got massive electricity prices.
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Speaker 1: How did that go? But also the basic thing of
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Speaker 1: this country.
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Speaker 2: We've got growth weak according to this Reserve Bank report today,
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Speaker 2: we've got productivity terribly low. We've got inflation still a problem.
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Speaker 2: We've got a decade of government deficits predicted this country.
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Speaker 1: Should be so rich. What do you think's gone wrong?
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Speaker 6: I think governments have to be frank with all governments,
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Speaker 6: particularly at state and federal level, I have been a
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Speaker 6: bit misdirected in how where they're concentrating their efforts. I
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Speaker 6: see the way it's going as the governments have actually
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Speaker 6: tried to be popular and satisfy everybody's requests, that is,
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Speaker 6: from every.
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Speaker 9: Walk of life.
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Speaker 6: Those people who particularly in relation to the Labor party,
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Speaker 6: because the labor parties made up of lots of different groups,
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Speaker 6: and you can't, at the end of the day, satisfy
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Speaker 6: everybody's requirements.
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Speaker 9: It's impossible.
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Speaker 6: I just think that we should have concentrated on a
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Speaker 6: few things like getting our power bills, gas electricity, et cetera.
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Speaker 6: Getting that secure firmed up, and we should be the
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Speaker 6: cheapest electricity and power bill in the definitely in our region,
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Speaker 6: but we're not. We're nowhere near it. In terms of
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Speaker 6: our resources. We are so resource rich when it comes
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Speaker 6: to those types of items like I know we've got coal,
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Speaker 6: and I know we've got gas, and we sort of
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Speaker 6: not making use to those. We're not optimizing those because
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Speaker 6: of some sort of other view on the world in relation.
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Speaker 9: To who we should be complying with and.
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Speaker 6: Conforming to, as opposed to looking at what's the best
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Speaker 6: for Australia. What's best for Australia should always be at
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Speaker 6: the forefront of our minds as a government, I think,
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Speaker 6: but I.
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Speaker 9: Don't believe that has happened for the past ten years.
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Speaker 6: I do not, particularly in the last few years, we
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Speaker 6: are not looking at what's best for Australia as opposed
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Speaker 6: to how do we fit into the rest of the world,
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Speaker 6: what's best for Australia in terms of how we look
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Speaker 6: relatively the best rest of the world, first and foremost
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Speaker 6: should be what's best for Australia. And power bills is
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Speaker 6: number one right now, It's.
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Speaker 2: Sure, is I just can't believe it's like a religious cult.
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Speaker 2: Don't use your natural advantages. I mean it is extraordinary.
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Speaker 2: Mark Burris, great to talk to you. Thank you for your.
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Speaker 1: Time, most walk Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Now I've got to get something off my chest about
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Speaker 2: one of the most ungrateful, entitled, and treacherous hypocrits have
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Speaker 2: ever come across. His name is James Murdoch, and the
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Speaker 2: evidence that he is indeed and ungrateful, entitled, the treacherous
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Speaker 2: hypocrite is all over the news at the moment, to
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Speaker 2: the delight of journals of the left who dress up
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Speaker 2: his abuse of his father and his brother is somehow
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Speaker 2: principled and brave. I mean, seriously publicly calling your father
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Speaker 2: a misogynist is brave. I mean dishing the dirt on
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Speaker 2: your own family often invented dirt, it seems to me,
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Speaker 2: in a legal court case, and especially now on a
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Speaker 2: long profile piece in the Atlantic magazine, all in the
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Speaker 2: apparent hope of getting yourself even more money than you have,
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Speaker 2: money that you've never earned yourself.
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Speaker 1: All that is principled.
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Speaker 2: I mean, really trashing your father as a bad dad,
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Speaker 2: whining about your brother, revealing private conversations or inventing them.
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Speaker 1: Since James's accouncilor disputed.
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Speaker 2: All that is principled, give me a break. I haven't
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Speaker 2: seen such treachery since Prince Harry and Mega Markell invented
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Speaker 2: claims of their family or his. At least they were
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Speaker 2: raised a mean and in this case, I've got to
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Speaker 2: say that James and his wife now finding court battle
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Speaker 2: with his father of the future of this company. They
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Speaker 2: strike me exactly as a Harry and Meghan, but with
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Speaker 2: even more money and more power to do harm to you.
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Speaker 2: Let me explain, But first I should say that what
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Speaker 2: I'm about to tell her, what I've told you so
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Speaker 2: far has not been cleared by Lochland Murdock or is
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Speaker 2: right Edwoman Vaughn McKenna. They'll probably be horrified I might
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Speaker 2: have upset a deal that was just in the making,
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Speaker 2: just in the balance. I had not warn them of
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Speaker 2: this or been asked to do this. I speak as
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Speaker 2: I find. James Murdoch is the second son of Rupert.
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Speaker 1: Murdochho built this media company and.
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Speaker 2: Built the fortune that James enjoys billions has been given.
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Speaker 2: Much of the secret of Rupert's success is to offer
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Speaker 2: a platform for conservatives in the media, the Son and
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Speaker 2: the Times in London for instance, Fox News and the
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Speaker 2: New Your Post in the US, Sky News, and the
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Speaker 2: newspapers in Australia, the Australian for instance. You think, if
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Speaker 2: the murder media impact did not exist, where would you
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Speaker 2: hear a counter argument to the left, to the ennuyng
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Speaker 2: yin yin ye I mean here? For instance, you look
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Speaker 2: at our competition the ABC, Not one conservative host of
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Speaker 2: a current affair show, the nine newspapers or the guard
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Speaker 2: in Australia or Craikee. Not a single conservative commentator on stuff,
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Speaker 2: not one. The university fortresses of the left, arts world,
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Speaker 2: the arts bureaucracy, same story. No wonder Murdoch media outlets
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Speaker 2: tend to be so popular with the public. Finally the
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Speaker 2: world as it is, finally the world as they know it.
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Speaker 2: But soon you might not have to imagine a world
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Speaker 2: without that choice, without the conservative alternative that apparently a
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Speaker 2: lot of people are wanting, and that would be thanks
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Speaker 2: to James.
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Speaker 1: Murdoch help both sisters. A lot of the control of this.
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Speaker 2: Murdoch media is in fact held by a family trust.
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Speaker 2: Rupert gets four votes and the four eldest children, Lachlan
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Speaker 2: our boss, James, Elizabeth and Patricia they get one inch.
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Speaker 2: You do the math, I mean it means that Rupert
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Speaker 2: and Lochland, the two conservatives, are there.
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Speaker 1: They rule, but Rupert is ninety three.
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Speaker 2: What happens after his death to be very blood Then
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Speaker 2: it's down to just the four children, and three of
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Speaker 2: them could fire Lachland overnight, which I would think would
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Speaker 2: be a disaster and you wouldn't notice it if James
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Speaker 2: got control instead, I think this place will goes splat.
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Speaker 2: And that's because we already know that James is very
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Speaker 2: far to the left and he doesn't like a lot
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Speaker 2: of what he sees from us.
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Speaker 1: This is a fact.
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Speaker 2: Fox News attacked Fox News, which is a massive money earner, saying, well,
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Speaker 2: there are of views I really disagree with on Fox News,
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Speaker 2: no kidding. In fact, he resigned from the board, saying
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Speaker 2: it was due to disagreements over a certain editorial content
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Speaker 2: published by the company's news outlets and certain other strategic decisions.
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Speaker 1: Well they made that damn clear.
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Speaker 2: He attacked us as Sky News in the papers here
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Speaker 2: as well for what he calls climate denial, which is
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Speaker 2: in fact a healthy skepticism which is proving correct about
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Speaker 2: climate alarmism and climate policies. He also had a spokesman
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Speaker 2: say James's wife Catherine are particularly disappointed. But the ongoing
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Speaker 2: denial among the news outlets in Australia given the obvious
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Speaker 2: evidence to the contrary.
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Speaker 1: This is about the fires, global warming the fires.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I've been drawing a connection there, really, and
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Speaker 2: that's why Rupert and Lachlan, who's really been the boss
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Speaker 2: for years now Foxcore and Newscore, thought, look, we better
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Speaker 2: make sure this company stays healthy by staying conservative. And
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Speaker 2: to do that they're trying to change the terms of
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Speaker 2: this Murdoch family trust so that in the day that
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Speaker 2: God forbid, then Lachlan couldn't be outvoted by the other children. Now,
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Speaker 2: so far round one, this attempt to change what was
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Speaker 2: supposedly an irrevocable trust has failed in court, and Rupert
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Speaker 2: of Lachlan of course have had to prove it was
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Speaker 2: in the interest of each Chilther at Locklin stay in charge,
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Speaker 2: no doubt to the first that now come the appeals,
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Speaker 2: but also now here comes.
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Speaker 1: James going why why why why? In the media, Oh,
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Speaker 1: his father has broken the family. His father is so
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Speaker 1: bad that James's children didn't want to see him.
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Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, I'm shocked a grown man would shock
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Speaker 2: his resentments and the family business like that, all for
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Speaker 2: the control of a media empire that he hasn't created,
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Speaker 2: or for a bigger payout.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: The thing is in talking in talking to The Atlantic's reporter,
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Speaker 2: apparently over a whole year, James and his wife Catherine
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Speaker 2: just added to Rupert and Lachlan's argument that the value
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Speaker 2: of the Murdock media would indeed crash if James back
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Speaker 2: by sisters dub Lachlan and took over, for instance, the
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Speaker 2: Atlantic reports of James's wife where he left herself apparently
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Speaker 2: speaking for both of them, so she wasn't sure if
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Speaker 2: Fox News could still be reformed as if it needed
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Speaker 2: adding it doesn't have a clear purpose in the ecosystem anymore.
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Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, I don't know when exactly in the
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Speaker 2: last year this business giant said that, you know, but really,
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Speaker 2: Fox News has just posted its highest ever ratings, the
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Speaker 2: highest ratings ever seen in American cable news history. Got
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Speaker 2: to say this year, I've been having my highest ratings
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Speaker 2: ever too. Would that have happened if James and Catherine
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Speaker 2: had turned Fox News into another CNN. We're just going
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Speaker 2: broke fast doing that, or turning Sky News into an
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Speaker 2: ABC eve another one or the Australian too, a Guardian,
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Speaker 2: that would destroy their point of difference. It would destroy
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Speaker 2: the business. But for you it'd be even worse. It
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Speaker 2: would destroy debate. Now, Like I said, imagine no murderch
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Speaker 2: media as it now is. Imagine it muted without conservative voices,
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Speaker 2: sounding like another ABC, and run by a man so
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Speaker 2: undisciplined that has shouted out to the media his resentments
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Speaker 2: of his father and his brother that I find dangerous.
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Speaker 2: But to the kind of story that indeed a left
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Speaker 2: wing Sky News might not cover, not with sympathy. Tony Maddox,
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Speaker 2: He's just been found guilty offending the Rainbow Serpent, or,
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Speaker 2: to be precise, to be found guilty of breaching Western
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Speaker 2: Australia's Aboriginal heritage ack by building a crossing over a
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Speaker 2: Tony Creek on the property, which has since learned is
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Speaker 2: associated with the local tribe's Rainbow Serpent. This is our
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Speaker 2: version of blasphemy laws. Madis is a real estlate agent
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Speaker 2: in Two Jays, northeast of Perth, and decided to build
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Speaker 2: a bridge over the creek at the front of his
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Speaker 2: property that kept washing away the path most big uses
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Speaker 2: and while he was added, he added a nice pond.
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Speaker 2: Little did he know that he.
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Speaker 1: Was angering the rainbow serpent that nobody's ever seen. Bang.
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Speaker 2: Two thousand dollar fine this week five thousand dollars in costs.
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Speaker 1: Could have been worse.
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Speaker 2: It could have been jailed. Joining me now is Tony Maddox. Tony,
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Speaker 2: great to see you again. Look, did you know you
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Speaker 2: were breaking a law by building this little bridge?
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Speaker 7: Never in more wildness dreams did I think I was
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Speaker 7: braakmil or by putting it crossing across a creek on
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Speaker 7: my own.
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Speaker 1: Unbuelievable, unbelievable, unbelievable.
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Speaker 2: So you've done this, you know the road keep washing away,
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Speaker 2: You were using it daily instead of weekly. Whatever, Who
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Speaker 2: wouldn't who complained? Are they even Aboriginal?
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Speaker 7: They're not Aboriginal. They don't even live on the creek.
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Speaker 7: They're actually they're up on the hill behind me in
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Speaker 7: actual fact, so if you look at those hills behind
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Speaker 7: you can see, Yeah, they live up there on the hills,
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Speaker 7: so they know we need it my creek. Interesting enough,
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Speaker 7: they didn't like what I'd done and decided to complain,
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Speaker 7: and the complaints went on from one department to another department,
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Speaker 7: and to another department, and finally to the Aboriginal Heritage
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Speaker 7: which I didn't know existed. And finally they came out
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Speaker 7: and interviewed me and said, did you realize that you've
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Speaker 7: broke can an Aboriginal heritage Ack? No, I didn't because
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Speaker 7: I didn't know the Aboriginal Heritage Act existed, let alone
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Speaker 7: on my creek, which were about four k's from the river.
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Speaker 7: And so they decided that we're going to prosecute me
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Speaker 7: for doing that.
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Speaker 2: Just quite amazing, now, Tony, I've got to get to
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Speaker 2: the nub of all this, of course, the rainbow serpent. Now,
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Speaker 2: apparently this is your grave sin. You could have really
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Speaker 2: offended that rainbow serpent. Have you or anyone in your
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Speaker 2: acquaintance ever seen the rainbow serpent out there somewhere in
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Speaker 2: the water, maybe behind a tree.
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Speaker 7: We do have some turtles in the water, Andrew, there
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Speaker 7: is some nice turtles that have grown in the woods.
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Speaker 7: Three of them mat So if there is a rainbow serpent,
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Speaker 7: you must be hiding underneath it was seen him. The
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Speaker 7: turtles will pop their head up and we can talk
20:53
Speaker 7: to the turtles quite happily. Now the bird life's returned.
20:57
Speaker 7: All the birdlfe reality creek.
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Speaker 9: Is quite amazing.
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Speaker 7: There's about one hundred and twenty ducks on the creek
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Speaker 7: every morning now. They're enjoying living there. So I guess
21:06
Speaker 7: if there are'tgo serpents there, he will love what I've built,
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Speaker 7: and all our local elders reckon, what I've built is
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Speaker 7: a wonderful thing for the creek. In fact, they are
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Speaker 7: a local wildlife.
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Speaker 1: Go on, let me get this right.
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Speaker 2: You've pleased the turtles and the ducks that you can see,
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Speaker 2: but apparently you've offended the rainbow serpent that no one
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Speaker 2: can see.
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Speaker 1: Well. Look, honestly, Tony, I don't know what's.
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Speaker 2: Gone wrong with this country, but my commiserations to you
21:35
Speaker 2: and thanks for silk can't turning up with a spark
21:37
Speaker 2: in your face. Tony Maddix, thank you so much for
21:39
Speaker 2: your time Austraight after the break. The leader of the
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Speaker 2: pro Palestinian movement, it seems in Australia now demands even more.
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Speaker 1: After this.
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Speaker 2: I want to repeat something I said last night, because
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Speaker 2: already I see people trying to rationalize or dodge the
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Speaker 2: very hard truth.
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Speaker 1: That was exposed.
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Speaker 2: Yesterday, we have reached a moment of clarity where fifty
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Speaker 2: Muslim organizations, moths, federations, leaders political candidates signed a declaration
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Speaker 2: saying the condemnation of two Muslim nurses in Sydney Field,
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Speaker 2: saying that kill their Jewish patients.
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Speaker 1: That is a plot.
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Speaker 2: Against Muslims provoked by the Jews, now exploited by politicians
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Speaker 2: in the media. In fact, this line was repeated in
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Speaker 2: a clip I saw today from the head of the
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Speaker 2: Muslim Vote, which is a new organization backing Muslim and
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Speaker 2: propalace in In candidates in the coming election. He was
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Speaker 2: claiming this reaction against these nurses was orchestrated.
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Speaker 10: Social media post involving two nurses making comments about Israeli
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Speaker 10: patients was never meant to be literal or intended to
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Speaker 10: be a threat to patient care in current times. In
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Speaker 10: these times in which a genocide is unfolding live on
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Speaker 10: our screens, emotions can sometimes get the better of anybody.
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Speaker 10: That the most revealing aspect of the political outrage is
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Speaker 10: the speed, intensity, and coordination of the response from figures
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Speaker 10: who have been otherwise largely in different weak or outright
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Speaker 10: complicit and enabling in the face of mass atrocities.
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Speaker 1: Their response was coordinated.
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Speaker 2: I say this as a moment of clarity because there
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Speaker 2: you see an unbridgable clash of values. There's no mistaking news.
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Speaker 2: You've got most Austraians saying it's shocking and inexcusable. The
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Speaker 2: Muslim nurses say that kill Jewish patients, but then you
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Speaker 2: have fifty Muslim bodies defending them by blaming Jews and
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Speaker 2: accusing the medium of Islamophobia, by reacting with horror orchestrating
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Speaker 2: the reaction. And by the way, look which political party
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Speaker 2: is actually promoting nurses in their new South Wales health
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Speaker 2: uniforms and kefiyas going against Israel, fighting for pro Palestine stuff.
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Speaker 2: That's Screen's deputy leader Mayor in Ferruki. What a party
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Speaker 2: joining me is the panel Will Kingston host at Will
24:18
Speaker 2: podcast from The Spectator and Politics and Culture Ascaria's host
24:22
Speaker 2: The Nikka to Georgia Now with their own show here
24:24
Speaker 2: every Friday at five pm.
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Speaker 1: Will.
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Speaker 2: I've never seen Muslim organizations so united in defending the defensible,
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Speaker 2: and that is why I call this a moment of clarity.
24:37
Speaker 2: But do politicians and journalists understand that as well?
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Speaker 11: I think the tragedy of this situation Andrews. Most of
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Speaker 11: them do understand, they just don't want to do anything
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Speaker 11: about it. This is the same old story as you've
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Speaker 11: alluded to. When it happens time and time again, after
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Speaker 11: a tragedy, after a terrorist incident, after vile comments such
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Speaker 11: as these, you'll hear the same thing. You will hear
25:03
Speaker 11: that this isn't a problem with his alarm, it's a
25:05
Speaker 11: problem with a few bad apples. And if you are
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Speaker 11: to say anything different, you are a racist. We need
25:12
Speaker 11: to have the reckoning that you're talking about. But the
25:14
Speaker 11: real problem here is that soon show us like this,
25:18
Speaker 11: you will be unable to have these types of conversations
25:20
Speaker 11: because of strict hate speech laws which are coming into
25:23
Speaker 11: effect in Australia. You'll have islam onphobia laws which you
25:26
Speaker 11: are going to come into effect in the UK, and
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Speaker 11: these conversations will be snuffed out to tragedy. So whilst
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Speaker 11: I still have my free speech, I can actually say
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Speaker 11: that there is a problem at the heart of Islam.
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Speaker 11: I don't think it is compatible with Western liberal democracy.
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Speaker 11: That doesn't mean that everyone who is Lambing is necessarily
25:41
Speaker 11: going to be a problem in a Western liberal democracy,
25:43
Speaker 11: but the culture and is entire in its entirety, is
25:46
Speaker 11: not compatible. And until we have this difficult conversation, you're
25:51
Speaker 11: going to see more and more problems, and you're going
25:53
Speaker 11: to see the cultural fabric of countries such as ours
25:56
Speaker 11: frey beyond repair.
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Speaker 2: To believe it'll be that long before we have blasphemy laws,
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Speaker 2: which would mean what you just said is ruled out
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Speaker 2: of order. But Danika, then there was this from Nasa Mashni,
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Speaker 2: head of the Australian palastin in Avercacy network has run
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Speaker 2: so many of the anti Israel protests. He just said
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Speaker 2: this about Melbourne, about Australia, about the world.
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Speaker 1: Have listen now.
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Speaker 2: I think we've got a challenge in front of us,
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Speaker 2: don't we, Denika. What do we do to challenge to
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Speaker 2: combat it?
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Speaker 12: We've got a huge challenge in front of us, Andra,
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Speaker 12: and in fact I think Australia is it's gone too
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Speaker 12: far now. We are now heading in the way of
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Speaker 12: the United Kingdom, especially when you hear comments like that,
26:48
Speaker 12: And what do we do to combat it? In answer
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Speaker 12: to your question, well, it takes strong leadership and strong policy.
26:54
Speaker 12: The problem we've got into this in this country right
26:56
Speaker 12: now and it's been evidence since October seven, twenty twenty three,
26:59
Speaker 12: is that people who've been welcomed here with open arms
27:02
Speaker 12: hate our country, hate our values, hate Australians, and have
27:05
Speaker 12: zero interest in assimilating in this country. Therefore, they don't
27:09
Speaker 12: deserve to be here. Now, if you're out, we've seen
27:12
Speaker 12: examples of it, spewing hat speech on the streets or
27:16
Speaker 12: at conducting anti Semitism. You don't deserve to be here.
27:19
Speaker 12: You deserve to be deported. Leave because we don't want
27:23
Speaker 12: you in this country. And I'll show you a really
27:26
Speaker 12: good example Andrew of actual leaders in the world who
27:29
Speaker 12: are taking charge on this. In Italy Georgia, Maloney, there
27:33
Speaker 12: there was a Pakistani immam who's been in the country
27:36
Speaker 12: since nineteen ninety five and was accused of spewing Islamic
27:42
Speaker 12: terrorism on the streets of Bologna. And she got rid
27:46
Speaker 12: of him a couple of months ago. See you later,
27:48
Speaker 12: pack your bags, off you go. So that's what we
27:50
Speaker 12: need here in Australia right now. It's gone too far.
27:53
Speaker 12: We need strong leadership, a review about immigration policies and
27:57
Speaker 12: a review of people in this country right now.
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Speaker 2: Let me just underline, but I believe you to believe
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Speaker 2: as well, you're talking about hating Australia.
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Speaker 1: That would only be some extremists.
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Speaker 12: It wouldn't be absolutely not everybody.
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Speaker 2: The majority correct and of course one of the two
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Speaker 2: people unfortunately that those nurses were actually born here.
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Speaker 1: What do we do about that? Will to America is.
28:24
Speaker 2: Something that stunned me. The arrogance and the ignorance. Tom Hanks,
28:29
Speaker 2: I like him as an actor, joined a tribute for
28:31
Speaker 2: the fiftieth anniversary of Saturday Night Live, mock supporters of
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, who actually won the election with the majority
28:37
Speaker 2: of the votes, as a racist or they're all racists
28:40
Speaker 2: and stupid god bother as of listen now, speaking of church,
28:45
Speaker 2: can I say something? If more folks weren't to church.
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Speaker 1: We wouldn't be in this mess we're in now.
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Speaker 3: You know what?
28:52
Speaker 1: I agree with what you do. I'd like to shake
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Speaker 1: your hand, sir. Here we go. No, No, you welcome
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Speaker 1: to black anytime. Will What did you make of that?
29:08
Speaker 11: Bet the House on an eight year JD. Van's presidency
29:12
Speaker 11: Andrew because the left simply refuses to learn. This is
29:16
Speaker 11: what's been going on since twenty sixteen when Trump came
29:19
Speaker 11: down the escalator where they think the best way to
29:22
Speaker 11: combat views within the Marga movement, which is now, by
29:26
Speaker 11: the way, you know pretty much half of America they
29:28
Speaker 11: won the popular vote, is just to slander them as ignorance, bigoted, racist.
29:34
Speaker 11: They just refuse to learn. And that's not the way
29:36
Speaker 11: that you went over people as they're learning to their
29:38
Speaker 11: electoral detriment. Bet the house on Javans for eight years
29:41
Speaker 11: because they just are not willing to change, Dnika.
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Speaker 2: I think it's not just a contempt for the other side.
29:50
Speaker 2: What it is, I think is a vanity because if
29:54
Speaker 2: you say, oh, look, the others are just dumb, it
29:56
Speaker 2: makes you seem good, you know, intelligent and not stupid
30:00
Speaker 2: as a bag of dumbbells for having lost the last election,
30:03
Speaker 2: both flogging an absolute more of a candidate.
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Speaker 12: Oh oh, absolutely, Andrew, it's the woke elites at it again.
30:11
Speaker 12: You asked us a couple of weeks on this program,
30:13
Speaker 12: is Hollywood going woke? Well, here's another example for you.
30:16
Speaker 12: It certainly is, and it's been peddled by elitists who
30:20
Speaker 12: still cannot accept the vote.
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Speaker 10: We remember how.
30:22
Speaker 12: Well it went down when Joe Biden said that Trump
30:25
Speaker 12: supporters are garbage. It went down like a lead balloon.
30:28
Speaker 12: And now you've got an example where they're basically calling
30:31
Speaker 12: Trump supporters uneducated, racist, and divisive. I just think it's appalling.
30:37
Speaker 12: I don't even think that skit was funny, to be
30:39
Speaker 12: quite frank, the majority of Americans.
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Speaker 1: No, didn't get any laughs.
30:42
Speaker 12: No, it wasn't a laugh. I mean, the majority of
30:45
Speaker 12: Americans voted for Donald Trump. It's time to start accepting it.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we've run out of time.
30:53
Speaker 2: I indulge himself with a little of rent against James Murdock,
30:56
Speaker 2: so I apologize for that. We'll be back on normal
30:58
Speaker 2: schedule next week, Thank you very much, Wildern Will and
31:01
Speaker 2: Deneker appreciated. But you both after the break? How weak
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Speaker 2: are europe security officials? But one breaks down and cries
31:09
Speaker 2: when Trump says something mean. China will be laughing and
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Speaker 2: plotting because Donald Trump has just proved how dangerously weak
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Speaker 2: we are, so weak that, I kid you not. The
31:25
Speaker 2: top European defense official started to cry. I'll get to
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Speaker 2: him in a second. The West, I mean such weekly,
31:34
Speaker 2: but we got that message here too, didn't last week?
31:36
Speaker 2: I mean the Chinese warplane drops flares in front of
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Speaker 2: one of our Ada left planes over international waters second
31:44
Speaker 2: time in the year the Abdezy government since China our protest,
31:48
Speaker 2: but China says stuff you. The strong do what they
31:52
Speaker 2: will and the week suffer what they must. Trumps now
31:56
Speaker 2: reminded Europe of this ancient rule one way too long ignored.
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Speaker 2: The US is going to cut a deal with Russia
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Speaker 2: to stop the war in Ukraine, and Europe will not
32:05
Speaker 2: have a seat at the table, nor Ukraine. Indeed, in
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Speaker 2: these talks in Arabia, Saudi Arabia, where US Secretary of
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Speaker 2: State Marco Rubio is right now, the US is sick
32:16
Speaker 2: of doing most of the work in arming Ukraine and
32:19
Speaker 2: wants out. In fact, it's shameful. But Trump has even
32:25
Speaker 2: sent Ukraine a bill for its defense, as if stopping
32:28
Speaker 2: Russia and warning Russia's allied China not to try his
32:31
Speaker 2: own war isn't in the US's interests too. Now that
32:35
Speaker 2: bill is reported demand today half the revenue of Ukraine's oil,
32:38
Speaker 2: mineral and gas resources. Celenski has of course refused. Still
32:44
Speaker 2: with Trump, we never know how the game is meant
32:48
Speaker 2: to end. You know, he's also threatened Russia. Yet all
32:51
Speaker 2: this was enough to make the chairman of the Munich
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Speaker 2: Security Conference christof Houskeen burst into tears on Sunday when
32:58
Speaker 2: he close the Munich Security Conference of European leaders, and
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Speaker 2: the US Vice President as well, called to discuss Ukraine
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Speaker 2: in particular, tears that weak Europe wasn't being consulted.
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Speaker 9: So let us stick to these values.
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Speaker 8: Let us not reinvent them, but focus on strengthening their
33:18
Speaker 8: consistent application. Let me conclude, and this becomes difficult.
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Speaker 1: Applause for tears, Cheers for tears.
33:48
Speaker 2: I mean, Ukraine is above all the European problem. But
33:53
Speaker 2: European countries spent on averages two point two percent of
33:55
Speaker 2: their GDP on defense. The US spends three point four
33:59
Speaker 2: and even that's right down normal, but it's still much
34:01
Speaker 2: more than Europe. So the US has got to defend
34:04
Speaker 2: them and Ukraine as well when they don't do enough
34:06
Speaker 2: to defend themselves.
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Speaker 1: Ukraine, Yes, for the rest of that. Let me be
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Speaker 1: brutal the week.
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Speaker 2: Don't make the rules, however much many people would wish it. Still,
34:18
Speaker 2: Trump should also watch out. Selling out Ukraine is going
34:21
Speaker 2: to make him look weak as well, and China might
34:24
Speaker 2: then seem to make some rules of its own. Joining
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Speaker 2: me is Sean Spicer Donald Trump's first White House spokesman
34:30
Speaker 2: as President, Sean Spicicer, Great to see you again. Look,
34:35
Speaker 2: I don't understand what Donald Trump is up to in Ukraine.
34:39
Speaker 2: Is he going to cut Ukraine off at the knees?
34:43
Speaker 2: Is he getting tough on Putin as well? That we
34:47
Speaker 2: don't know about what's going on.
34:50
Speaker 13: So here's my take on this, and it was interesting Zelenski.
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Speaker 13: The other day, the Ukrainian president said in an interview
34:56
Speaker 13: with at the I think it was in that Dubai
34:58
Speaker 13: forum that he told President Trump, who respects you, He's
35:02
Speaker 13: the only person he fears. And at the end of
35:05
Speaker 13: the day, if we really truly want as an ultimate
35:09
Speaker 13: goal this war to end, the killing, to end, the bloodshed,
35:13
Speaker 13: to end, then I think Donald Trump as always sees
35:17
Speaker 13: himself as the ultimate deal maker. And so I think,
35:20
Speaker 13: if you're Trump, you say great, then I will call him.
35:23
Speaker 13: Let's find some terms that are acceptable and cut this
35:27
Speaker 13: thing off. And I mean, look, I think that of
35:30
Speaker 13: course Ukraine has to be involved in the ultimate solution.
35:34
Speaker 13: But right now, this is the two people who can
35:36
Speaker 13: actually make a deal that matters. So team Trump and
35:40
Speaker 13: team Putin need to get in a room, figure it
35:42
Speaker 13: out and then get everyone else on board. The ultimate
35:44
Speaker 13: goal is to end the bloodshed.
35:47
Speaker 2: Well, yes, but also on what terms you see and.
35:52
Speaker 1: I agree with that going.
35:54
Speaker 2: To be like a chick is selling out checks as
35:56
Speaker 2: have actor before World War Two. I mean that doesn't appease,
36:00
Speaker 2: but at.
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Speaker 1: The end of the day does sure.
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Speaker 13: And if it's a bad deal, both Europe and I'm
36:07
Speaker 13: sure Ukraine, which is the biggest player in an ultimate solution,
36:13
Speaker 13: have to say yes. If Ukraine doesn't like the deal,
36:15
Speaker 13: they're going to say no and reject it out of hand.
36:19
Speaker 13: But at the end of the day, especially from where
36:21
Speaker 13: the US taxpayer sits, if we're going to continue to
36:24
Speaker 13: fund this, then we have a say and ultimately ending it.
36:28
Speaker 9: Not just the.
36:28
Speaker 13: Dollars to go over there, but the number of people
36:31
Speaker 13: whose lives are at risk, the Ukrainians, especially the number
36:34
Speaker 13: of innocent Ukrainians that have died. That if we can
36:37
Speaker 13: have a hand in creating a solution that ends that,
36:41
Speaker 13: then I'm all for it. Now, as you said, the
36:43
Speaker 13: terms matter, and Ukraine ultimately will have to abide by
36:47
Speaker 13: them and agree to them if we're going to have
36:49
Speaker 13: a true solution.
36:51
Speaker 2: Look, I think you made the big point there that
36:54
Speaker 2: here's American tax payers doing the bulk of the heavy lifting,
37:00
Speaker 2: or at least the disproportionately heavy lifting in a European war,
37:06
Speaker 2: while you've got Europe so weak. I don't know whether
37:09
Speaker 2: you saw it, Sean, but the chairman of that Munich
37:12
Speaker 2: Security conference talking about this bursting into tears on Sunday night.
37:18
Speaker 2: I mean, what an example, What a symbol of Europe's
37:22
Speaker 2: weakness that he cries because they're not part of the
37:26
Speaker 2: deal making.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 13: I mean, look, you wonder why Putin doesn't fear them
37:32
Speaker 13: or take them seriously. These are their borders, These are
37:35
Speaker 13: their This is their continent that needs to be concerned
37:38
Speaker 13: most about this. And it's the US once again to
37:41
Speaker 13: the rescue on this. If Europe really wanted to have
37:44
Speaker 13: a say in it, they have been step up. It's
37:47
Speaker 13: plain and simple. It's just they want they want to
37:50
Speaker 13: lecture everybody else. And I think that's why jd. Vance
37:53
Speaker 13: was so right in that speech he gave on Friday.
37:55
Speaker 13: This isn't you know people keep talking about the friendship.
37:58
Speaker 13: Friends don't do that to each other. They don't say, hey,
38:01
Speaker 13: we'll all go out to dinner and you'll pick up
38:03
Speaker 13: the tab every night. That's not a friend.
38:06
Speaker 1: Sean.
38:07
Speaker 2: You've seen Donald Trump up close, obviously you would know
38:10
Speaker 2: him far better than well anyone of us, any people
38:15
Speaker 2: watching or whatever. The knock on him from the media
38:20
Speaker 2: left is that he is He has got this warm,
38:24
Speaker 2: fuzzy feeling for dictators, love letting me putin, strong people
38:29
Speaker 2: impress him. And I wonder whether you think that is
38:34
Speaker 2: the Trump. You know, what do you think he how
38:37
Speaker 2: do you think he sees a war criminal like Putin?
38:42
Speaker 13: Yeah, this is where the American media largely gets it wrong.
38:44
Speaker 13: What Trump sees is a challenge more than anything else.
38:48
Speaker 13: Tell him that he can't do something, that a deal
38:50
Speaker 13: can't be struck, that a person can't be overcome, and
38:54
Speaker 13: to him, he says, bring it on all of these people.
38:57
Speaker 13: Look at where you know. Hillary Clinton SAIDs she had
38:59
Speaker 13: a button, a reset button, and she presented it with
39:03
Speaker 13: him Vladimir Putin, I mean Obama said that, you know,
39:07
Speaker 13: told him that to go back and tell him that
39:10
Speaker 13: I'll have more flexibility when my election has come. They
39:13
Speaker 13: all bend a knee at Putin for goodness sake, and
39:15
Speaker 13: Donald Trump comes along, by Zelenski's own, you know, admission
39:19
Speaker 13: to Trump. He fears him, maybe he finds him erratic,
39:23
Speaker 13: maybe he doesn't know, you know, unpredictable. But the bottom
39:25
Speaker 13: line is that Donald Trump invokes a sense of strength
39:29
Speaker 13: that putin fears. And that's what I want as an American.
39:32
Speaker 13: I want people to fear us, to fear our president.
39:35
Speaker 13: And Donald Trump brings that back, brings back a level
39:38
Speaker 13: of respect that we've been, you know, failing to show
39:41
Speaker 13: for the last four years. In particular very.
39:43
Speaker 2: Right to remind us of Hillary Clinton's reset button and
39:47
Speaker 2: Obama on a hot Mike saying, you know, till putin,
39:51
Speaker 2: I've got more flexibility later.
39:54
Speaker 1: But you've also forgot George W.
39:56
Speaker 2: Bush right when he first met saying I've looked into
39:59
Speaker 2: a his allies, I've seen his soul and being completely.
40:04
Speaker 1: Absolutely fool Think about that. Think about that.
40:07
Speaker 13: Right these the last three presidents of both parties have
40:11
Speaker 13: tried to basically say I, you know, I like him,
40:13
Speaker 13: I can deal with him. No one said that they
40:16
Speaker 13: were Patsy's for dictators. And yet Donald Trump gets up
40:19
Speaker 13: there and he says I can get a deal with him,
40:21
Speaker 13: I can stand up to him, and they say, oh,
40:22
Speaker 13: what's his Wait a second, When Hillary Clinton bought a
40:25
Speaker 13: reset button over to him and tried to make a
40:27
Speaker 13: joke of their aggression. You think that that how did
40:30
Speaker 13: that go over? Where was the concern then of our
40:33
Speaker 13: media and our left none.
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Speaker 2: Very good points? But I think in the end, you know,
40:38
Speaker 2: the proof will be in the eating. We shall see
40:40
Speaker 2: what the deal is and then we can I guess
40:42
Speaker 2: a few you know, full minight or or in fact
40:45
Speaker 2: praise him. We shall say Sean Spiceer, always great to
40:48
Speaker 2: talk to you.
40:49
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time, Absolutely Andrew.
40:54
Speaker 2: After the great Trump's top energy official warns our emissions
40:58
Speaker 2: target will destroy US. Donald Trump's new Energy secretary, Chris Wright,
41:08
Speaker 2: yesterday sent Australia another warning. Our government's target of slashing
41:13
Speaker 2: our emissions to zero net by twenty fifty is destroying
41:18
Speaker 2: our economy. Now, just last night I showed you the
41:20
Speaker 2: head of Blue Scope saying he'll move investments to the
41:23
Speaker 2: US with power prices for a steelmaker in particular are
41:27
Speaker 2: half hours or even less.
41:30
Speaker 7: Now.
41:30
Speaker 2: One reason for that is this very same Chris Wright.
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Speaker 2: He headed a hugely successful gas company that used fracking,
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Speaker 2: a technology stupidly banned in Victoria, for instance, by which
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Speaker 2: right proves was safe by drinking the fracking fluid used
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Speaker 2: to fracture rocks and unlock gas deposits. Now is Trump's
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Speaker 2: energy is a chief right? Last night gave this message
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Speaker 2: to a London conference of the Alliance of Responsible Citizenship,
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Speaker 2: where he was interviewed by Skars Chris Hulman.
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Speaker 9: Fifty is a sinister goal.
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Speaker 1: It's a terrible war.
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Speaker 9: It's called unachievable.
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Speaker 14: By impractical means, but the aggressive pursuit of it. And
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Speaker 14: you're sitting in a country that has aggressively pursued this
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Speaker 14: goal has not delivered any benefits, but it's delivered tremendous costs.
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Speaker 14: If you make energy more expensive and less reliable, as
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Speaker 14: the United Kingdom has done over the last couple of decades,
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Speaker 14: you lower the standard of living of your population, shrink
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Speaker 14: their opportunity set, and you simply export your industry.
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Speaker 2: Join me from that conference, is National Senator Met Kennavan,
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Speaker 2: the former Resources Minster Mat Kennavan.
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Speaker 1: Good to see you. Is Chris right? Correct?
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Speaker 15: He's absolutely right. Andrew, obviously, I've been posed in its
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Speaker 15: zero from the get go, And the point Chris was
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Speaker 15: making is it is a sinister goal because it hurts
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Speaker 15: the poorest among us, while giving benefit to the virtue
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Speaker 15: signaling demands of the richest among us. So to my mind,
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Speaker 15: that is sinister. We should have public policies that seek
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Speaker 15: to lift the poorest among our society up and help
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Speaker 15: make their lives easier. But what we've seen in our
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Speaker 15: own country in Australia, certainly here in the United Kingdom
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Speaker 15: is ever since our our political betters and elites promised
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Speaker 15: this fantastically net zero goal, people's lives have been made
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Speaker 15: a lot lot worse. Energy prices have obviously skyrocketed that
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Speaker 15: is starting to flow through to the price of everything.
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Speaker 15: Keep in mind that businesses in Australia use four times
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Speaker 15: the electricity than households do, so you and at your
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Speaker 15: household level feel the impact of the net zero policies
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Speaker 15: directly through your quarterly power bill, But in fact your
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Speaker 15: weekly shopping bill has even a greater impact because the
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Speaker 15: higher energy prices involved in transporting groceries around the country,
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Speaker 15: making groceries, keeping groceries cold. All those high energy prices
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Speaker 15: flow through to your built and I think most Australian
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Speaker 15: can see in the last couple of years those bills
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Speaker 15: have gotten a lot lot higher. So I believe what worries.
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Speaker 15: I'm in pox because I want to make people's lives easier.
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Speaker 15: Then zero has made people's lives harder and harsher, and
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Speaker 15: it hasn't hasn't improved anything in the world either, of
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Speaker 15: from environmental perspective, because of course countries like China, India,
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Speaker 15: Indonesia paying lip service at best to this.
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Speaker 1: Then zero goal. Well you mentioned Indonesia. I mean, it's
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Speaker 1: a perfect example.
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Speaker 2: Of course, Chris Wright was saying, all you do with
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Speaker 2: these targets is you're driving your businesses overseas. We lost
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Speaker 2: our nickel industry to Indonesia in large part, which was
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Speaker 2: using coal fired power stations specifically built for it, using
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Speaker 2: Chinese investment to get cheap power prices. While we're destroying
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Speaker 2: our coal fired power stations and Nickel couldn't compete gone.
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Speaker 2: Why doesn't Opposition leader Peter Dutton say exactly the same
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Speaker 2: as you just said, and as Chris Wright just said,
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Speaker 2: the net zero target is destroying our economy doing no good.
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Speaker 15: Well, look, Andrew, I can't give insight into why people
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Speaker 15: do other things. Were, perhaps unfortunately in Australia stuck in
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Speaker 15: a till green vortex, especially with the prospect of a
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Speaker 15: minority Parliament within weeks and months, and that might be
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Speaker 15: distorting things a little, but I don't know. I do
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Speaker 15: think the vast majority of Australians here turning it against
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Speaker 15: this agenda. The conversations I have with people that they
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Speaker 15: are most concerned about the cost of living, and if
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Speaker 15: we want to do something about the cost of living,
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Speaker 15: clearly we have to get energy prices down. And I
45:42
Speaker 15: fully support the idea of building nuclear powerstations, but of
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Speaker 15: course that's going to take a decade or so to do.
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Speaker 15: We have a massive question about just keeping the life
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Speaker 15: side of the next few years, and we must keep
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Speaker 15: our COULD fire power stations running in that injurant period.
45:56
Speaker 15: But also why aren't we actually building new COULD fire
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Speaker 15: power station? So if China can build two a week
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Speaker 15: at the moment, as they have been doing in the
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Speaker 15: Financial Times just reported this week that they have now
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Speaker 15: building more Quali firepower sessions, they don't have for a
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Speaker 15: decade in China right now. If they can do that,
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Speaker 15: why can't we build two or three in a few years.
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Speaker 15: It won't blow the planet up. It may just keep
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Speaker 15: our lights on Australia, save manufacturing jobs and keep and
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Speaker 15: getting the bills of average hardworking Australians down to the.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we might still have a nickel industry and
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Speaker 2: Matt running out of time a bit. But I wanted
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Speaker 2: to give you the chance to show that we are
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Speaker 2: nobler than a lot of global warming alarmis in the
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Speaker 2: media in particular. So often, you know, they jump on
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Speaker 2: a hot day and say, well, there it is proof
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Speaker 2: of global warming. But we won't do that about the
46:48
Speaker 2: fact that parts of Victoria, Oh, Matt, Matt's gone. Well,
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Speaker 2: let me continue the point. We are a bit better
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Speaker 2: than that, at least I am now, because that's gone.
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Speaker 2: We have had had parts of Victoria now recording the
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Speaker 2: coldest February night on record on record. Okay, ever, and
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Speaker 2: yet we will not say, hey, listen, that is proof
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Speaker 2: that there is no global warming. In fact, there's global cooling.
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Speaker 2: We don't do that because individual days do not necessarily
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Speaker 2: prove a trend at all.
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Speaker 1: Okay, but I.
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Speaker 2: Just want to tell you, hello, it's in fact not
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Speaker 2: quite linear like people say.
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Speaker 1: So there you go.
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Speaker 2: But anyway, meanwhile, the scare continues, and anyway I'm told
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Speaker 2: that Matt is back. Matt the coldest day in Victoria
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Speaker 2: or February night forever.
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Speaker 1: What does that tell you?
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Speaker 15: Well, mate, it's just as cold out here Inland. It
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Speaker 15: certainly no global warming here. We could do it here.
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Speaker 15: In fact, here at the conference, the inside even in
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Speaker 15: the conference there has been massively cold, and I think
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Speaker 15: it's just been a lesson to everybody. If you shut
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Speaker 15: down your cold fire power stations like the UK has,
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Speaker 15: you can't even meet conference seats anymore. It's so cold
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Speaker 15: over here, unbelievable. Isn't that unbelievable in February. But that's
48:09
Speaker 15: where they're not climbing Apparently, it's I think where it's
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Speaker 15: too hot that it's a climate change.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we of course, and I appreciate the fact
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Speaker 2: that you resist the temptation to do what is so
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Speaker 2: often done in the media and mislead people.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time, Matt. Honestly, we're
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Speaker 1: living in an era of madness. That's it for me.
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Speaker 1: Coming up now, Sherry Markson, goodnighte