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Sean Lahey | Wendigo Man, Eisenhower's Shaman, and The Gigas Codex (The Devils Bible) · My Family Thinks I'm Crazy

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[SPEAKER_01]: My family thinks I'm crazy, podcast where I, your host, try to give you some tips on how you can explain all this weird, wild, crazy conspiracy stuff The people you love most, because that's what I've been trying to do for the past 10 years with no success.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now they don't want to listen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't want to hear it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just like, oh, here we go, Mark.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Off again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It would be hard to be a Mark again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, that's the thing about all I'd best.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In 1907, you had the soccer tribe up in Northeastern area in Canada.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and this missionary had heard this story about this girl who had been killed and he shared the story with the Mounties so the Mounties went to go investigate and so of course they go to the chief and they're like hey we want to hear about why this young woman died and he's like oh well yeah because I was trying to exercise a win-a-go spirit that was an affecting her and in the
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so they're like, I mean, they go, what are you talking about?
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, oh yeah, they're monsters that he humans.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a cannibal monster.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and I've killed like 32.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so the monies are looking at them like, you just admit to murdering like 30 people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they arrested him and they arrested his brother.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was like, and it's 80s and 90s.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they put him in a Canadian jail.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And
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[SPEAKER_02]: That night, this, you know, 80, 90, or just walk out of the jail without anyone having any idea what was going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You just heard today's guest, who joins me, Mystic Mark here on the My Family Pigs on Crazy Podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for tuning in and enjoy this conversation with Arthur Sean Leahy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to my family.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think some crazy podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm your host, Mystic Mark.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In joining me today is a friend of a great friend of the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got a special request from our good friend, Juan Ayala, to have this gentleman on the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So without further ado, I'm very excited to come with a great recommendation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mr. Sean Lehi joins us on the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Sean, it's a pleasure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We briefly went over some of what went into writing your book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have two books that you've written, but I'm curious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, given the subject matter, um, for you, what was your first introduction to the topic of paranormal or cryptids that you have a paranormal or cryptid experience or encounter?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, what drew you into this sort of world?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And thanks again for joining me here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Mark, it's a pleasure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, once spoke very highly of you, and so I, I very much appreciate
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have had plenty of friends that have seen, you know, UFO sightings.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My wife before I met her had had a ghost experience.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have never, and I don't know if I've just not paying close of a dish, just around me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the subject matter started, I was living in San Francisco on the late night, and
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted some, I, as was the story of Canada, I've got a cow, a little, a day ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if I've heard it pronounced many different ways.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I've never heard of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, okay, shape shifting, meeting, or cannibal, each human's in all this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was fascinated by it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I always had it stuck in the back of my head.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I was writing another novel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I finished that one up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I actually ended up publishing it while my wife was going through cancer because she insisted on it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and then I circle back around because the first book I wrote had more adult matter in it so wasn't something I could share with my kids and I had teenagers in my house at the beginning of COVID and I wanted to write something that would be something that they could enjoy, something more
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[SPEAKER_02]: lighter themes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And at the Mendego concept was stuck in my head and I'm like I bet there's other North American mythological creatures that I could draw on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so that was the origin and it started with more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My son, when he was very little, he was terrified.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We couldn't turn the light off in his room when he went to bed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he was just convinced that there was monsters in his closet, and under his bed, and I told him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, do you think Daddy would let a monster in this house?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I said if a monster came in this house, Daddy would eat him before he could get to anybody.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was sort of the running joke.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But then I'm like, well, that would be interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How about someone who finds out as he's growing up that the reason why there was no monsters in this house is because his daddy was the biggest baddest monster on the block.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so that kind of spurred the idea behind the, uh, uh,
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[SPEAKER_02]: a Cameron discovering that his father is actually a when they go living among us and he has an experience.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This happens in the first few pages of the book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He has an experience in the mall while he's with his mother and his father taking their annual Christmas picture where this
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[SPEAKER_02]: Native American hunter from the secret tribe up in the northeastern part of Canada, shoots him with an arrow with an emerald head, and when it skims him, he immediately reverts back to, it's like the glamour drops, and he reverts back to his when they go shape.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when the vatic curves, there happens to be a witch that was following them,
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[SPEAKER_02]: who lets out a string in where everybody freezes, and all the human freezes, including the gentleman from the circuitry, except for him and his dad and the witch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then everybody gets,
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[SPEAKER_02]: to remember it backwards so I'm all and they have no memory or anything maybe he's nuts but he finds the arrow that has some blood on the head and he picks it up and his mother now has a memory that has fathered love much earlier so there's like this weird something strange going on and he's he doesn't know if he's going crazy and he starts investigating and
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[SPEAKER_02]: As he does, he keeps coming across other other creatures, I refer to him as Damon, the Greek for like the spear creatures, and he gets introduced to this other world, which eventually brings him to Florida.
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[SPEAKER_02]: After he finishes high school, he gets accepted that the University of Florida
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[SPEAKER_02]: And all of these creatures seem to be accumulating around the, and South Florida around the different tribes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he gets sort of drawn in what, you know, they recognize his lineage and he gets drawn into this,
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[SPEAKER_02]: issue that's occurring in the Everglades, and he gets introduced to all of these different creatures that have been living among us, and he gets introduced to this secret history that's always occurred that where the way a civilization interacts with magic, it kind of is what hinges us to whether it will be
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[SPEAKER_02]: successful long-term or fail, a lot of issues about grief and on recognizing, you know, coming into one zone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was the theme.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I thought that was just a lot of fun to write for the kids.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I dumped a lot on there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to turn my video off just to make the connection a little stronger.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a little just a brief part where your video, but I was still going to take mine off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if that'll help.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's usually best, um, not okay, I'm sure that my usual podcast studio at the moment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, I am curious, you know, when it comes to research, uh, how do you go about researching for a book like this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'd imagine there isn't a lot of information available on
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[SPEAKER_01]: reference or people you know with expert information.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I really dug into this right at the beginning of COVID when we were all in lockdown.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I just started doing deep dives on the internet, which is funny because a lot of the databases that I was drawn on, it was all, I was specifically doing searches for native American catalogs of creatures.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the funny thing is, luckily, I printed them out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I copied them on the word documents, and I'm like, okay, I just kept drawing from that research.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And a few years after I had
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[SPEAKER_02]: started building it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I went back and I couldn't find those databases.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like they'd been scrubbed in it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I can see what's very difficult to do the research.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just happened to hit it at the time while I was able to access a lot of the catalog of creatures.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have a list of,
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[SPEAKER_02]: European creatures that sort of shadowed or vice versa with pathologies from the Americas.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And one of them was the synneeders, which it's a 16th century phenomenon from Welsh and England.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 200 years earlier, they had, let me see if I could pronounce it right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So a colloquial, and I'm sure I butcher it, but it was the goddess who was known for filthy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the idea is, you know, at the end of your life, she would come and she would,
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[SPEAKER_02]: eat all of your, all the filth from your, all the impurities from your, if you're in your life, which I'm like, well, that's exactly what the Cineaters in British Hiles were doing, is they would come in anger at the church, because I'm like, no, no, you can't be forgiven unless, you know, it's, you know, through us, whereas he, and the, the method at which it was done is
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[SPEAKER_02]: which would absorb all of your past sins and then they would consume the bread.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sort of like the, I know the, in a Jewish tradition, they have where they put their, they put their sins during one of the ceremonies into either bread or an animal and then sacrifice it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't remember, I, I, I, I know I researched it to the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember the name of the particular ceremony.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But that same kind of concept, um, and so I, I just, I, I saw the, the parallels to be fascinating is to, um, the fact that, um, all of these different civilizations had similar, um, you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: cheat codes to remove, so that they could move on to the next world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it was a lot of Googling during 2020 and 2021.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's where I was able to dig up a lot of that material.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was going mostly to Native American databases, ones that were either by folks from tribal people that were or a folks that were deeply steeped in tribal lore, and it was so rich and so fascinating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like the European version was more like a role in society, like maybe lower cast or people who had an unfortunate series of circumstances to be come a sinnier.
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[SPEAKER_01]: albeit that is strange and probably takes some sort of mystical understanding to even begin with something like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But far, far cry from like what it sounds like in the native American lore is like an actual entity who is not a, you know, present in the physical world, but maybe present
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the other thing that I tried very hard to do is find strange historical events to tie in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the central core of the story is in 1907, you had the sucker tribe up in the northeastern area in Canada.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this missionary had heard this story about this girl who would have been killed and he shared the story with the Mounties, so the Mounties went to go investigate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so of course they go to the chief and they're like, hey, we want to hear about why this young woman died.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, oh, well, yeah, because I was trying to exercise a win-to-go spirit that was infecting her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And in the course of doing so, she died.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so they're like, oh, Indigo, what are you talking about?
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, oh, yeah, they're monsters and he humans.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a cannibal monster.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and I've killed like 32 of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so the counties are looking at them like, did you just admit to murdering like 30 people?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they arrested him and they arrested his brother.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he was like, and his 80s or 90s or something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they put him in a Canadian jail.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that night, this, you know, 80, 90 year old just walked out of the jail without anybody having any idea what was going on, walked into the woods and he hung himself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When I read that story, and after that is when you had the Canadian government making a press where they weren't going to allow the Indians to sort of live by their own rules.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think you, you know about in the early 20th century where you had these Indian schools where the Canadians were putting the kids from the tribes into schools so that they would
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[SPEAKER_02]: learn English and sort of integrate them into Canadian life and a lot of atrocities allegedly occurred.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But that was one of the reasons why that occurred.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I took that and I said, okay, so
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[SPEAKER_02]: Fiddler, Ben Fiddler was his English name.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ben walks out because the mythical creatures sort of cast a spell on the jailer so he could walk out and he has a conference with the other
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[SPEAKER_02]: the logical creatures out in the woods.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they say, look, we either decide that we're going to stop hunting each other or the Yankees are going to kill all of us because they have power beyond you know, yeah, you can kill one of them, but you put a group of them together and they'll destroy us all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they make a covenant.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They make a pact that they were going to live by.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let me see if I can find the name, okay, I called it the Nelson River treaty.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a Nelson River is right where that the jail was that he walked out of and they basically agree on about five different principles of how they are not going to interfere with each other or with the the European.
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[SPEAKER_02]: colonists, you know, the ruling parties at the time, and that they would keep each other in check that, you know, both sides will, we'll make sure that no one else is breaking the treaty.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I said, I put it that, because of the weight of the pack that they were making,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ben and then a particular one of the the spirit creatures sacrificed themselves in the wood to sign the pact between the two groups and that's why he was later found hung but that was That was just a cover for the fact that he was sacrificing his life to sign this pact between the the tribes and the the spirit creatures
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that was kind of neat to wrap those two things and then the, how which, the stinky, which named Mara, that is the one that that protected his father in the mall ends up being a mentor to Cameron and in the one that introduces them to all of these different
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[SPEAKER_02]: This other world that's existing around them, I have her all back story, which wraps into Winterhaven, and the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the orange grows and and when they were first they drained the swamps and they planted all the citrus and,
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[SPEAKER_02]: and John, and I hope I'm not kill a butchering his name, but John Sniley made all that money in a world where one on canned citrus to feed the troops, and which was the foundation of that that town, and how that was wrapped into
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[SPEAKER_02]: this particular alwich who did not like the fact that they invaded his her territory and she went to try to
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[SPEAKER_02]: put a curse on them to make them ill, hoping to run them out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when she came back around, she saw that all the four men and John and his wife were caring for his sick crews and taking care of their families and it kind of moved her heart.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so she decides to leave a culture out in the middle of the town so that everyone could drink it and become well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so that was her origin and Jim Stratford, I don't know if you're familiar with him, but he was a very famous musician.
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[SPEAKER_02]: who was from Winterhaven.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He wrote a song called Swampwich, which mirrored Mara's backstory, but it kind of made it sound like she ate them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The folks that came out looking for it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he always held a grudge against them and kind of stalked him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But Stafford was a famous,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Smothers Brothers show and all that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, also he was from winter havens.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So wrapping this monster in with the actual history of that town was was fun and I apologize, Mark, you stop me if I sound like I'm rambling.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to sort of talk about some of the different monsters.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One of the other ones is, so I had a gin who is being forced to stay on the Muskegee Tribal land because he got in trouble in Miami.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He had a party boat and he had become very close with Versace.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the guy that stabbed him, he took great offence to it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he met him on the boat that the young man was staying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he was trying to drive him mad by putting images of all the most terrifying creatures to ever exist.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right as the police were storming in,
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the guy, you know, all terrified by these visions that this Jin were putting his head in, it's up committing suicide.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And because he, he was sort of breaking the rules by showing his magic, he was under house arrest on tribal land.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But he, he has all these stories that he, he just loves to tell stories and he's in love with the human experience.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's that he always
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[SPEAKER_02]: military conflict, not because he was interested in the generals or the kings at the time, but the guys that were usually they didn't know each other, they didn't know what they were fighting for.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All they knew is they were rushing to to protect their families from some unknown foe
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[SPEAKER_02]: And on this brotherhood of, you know, the soldiers that they stood next to and he just, he found that so rich and so beautiful that he, he liked to hang out with the common folk.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I had him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I pulled a bunch of, a lot of Aztec monsters.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One of them was a creature that described us the Zolti, and it,
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a killer of people, but it liked to eat fingernails and eyes, and the backstory on that one was that one of the cork tells and captured it and put it in a pit, and in order to intimidate the rivals and the local village, if you got out of line, they threw you in the pit with a monster.
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[SPEAKER_02]: until it was able to escape and and she got over to the Everglades and was sort of camping out with another group of creatures out in the swamp.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it was there's just so much rich, beautiful mythology to draw from and then at the end again, I'm giving away
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[SPEAKER_02]: and the the the the 200 watch watch your angels that took wives and had children who were you know have have divine and have human and
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[SPEAKER_02]: The, you know, you had the flood, it took out most of them, but then the ones that remain, which the book of Yenak talks about, there were some of the nephalom that survived, which is why you had like to lie if and they were still had giants on the planet, but that they were the origin behind all of these,
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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, boogie men in all of the different cultures.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you're when day goes and you're you're you're you're you're wearables and everything else we're all offspring somehow related to those original uh uh Nephilim that survived the flood.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's all tied into the book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't sure if there was a particular myth that you wanted me to focus in on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's just sort of broad tweets.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the fun thing is with my son specifically, we were talking about the Madageshi, which I have as part of the group that's in the Everglades.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they're like these little frog-like men,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Who almost look like aliens and so every time we would we would be looking up like different alien stories So I go look I think that was a man of geeks
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just fun tying all that in, and then I touched on like some American history.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a story about Jim Fort plain Eisenhower.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When Eisenhower was at West Point, and the coach for the Carl Al team that Fort was on,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, he, uh, sorry, he didn't phone call there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh,
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he was sort of one of the touch, one of the blessed, that sort of have some Damon blood in him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And O'POP warner was their coach, which is, again, this is all historically accurate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I didn't know how the legend is, it eyes in how our tackle thorp.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And,
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[SPEAKER_02]: he had a knee injury from the the tackle because no one else was able to touch him but Eisenhower was able to and that's why he stopped playing football.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I took it further and I said okay so there was a shaman watching the game and he sees Eisenhower um
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[SPEAKER_02]: able to to best Thorpe and it took notice so he appears in the locker room after the game and he basically says to IK that's that's pretty impressive I'd like to put a blessing on you what would you like me to bless you with and Eisenhower who didn't really believe he's a guy it's some weird old guys in here saying he's gonna bless me and he's like well
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just I hope that me and my my schoolmates fight with honor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he blows into a little shell and he basically says that you and your classmates will well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: fight with so much honor that even the stars were bowed to you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, his graduating class from Wells' West Point was called the class that stars fell on because it was right before the World War I and by World War II, his graduating class had more generals than any other graduating class because of just the time period it was set that they all went in as junior officers in
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[SPEAKER_02]: 1, 2, 3, 4 star generals, and so later in the book, you know, we find out that this same shaman just appears in the White House, where Eisenhower is, where in the corner of his desk, he still has that little shell, and the guy shows up and Eisenhower is not even surprised he's like, I didn't even know if you were a dream way back when, but he was sort of waiting for him to show up again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he said, Oh, yeah, and I have a request for you, um, we need to be able to control the different spirits that roam the the the earth and the the best way to sort of slow him down is with false earth is what he mean you ask fault and concrete.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he said, OK, well, he was already planning on, you know, trying to mimic the, the Autobahn that he was impressed with when he was in Germany, so that was the origin behind why Eisenhower pushed for the interstate program where they built all of these monster.
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[SPEAKER_02]: highway step crossed north of south and east of west all through the United States and that helped to contain the monsters with the idea being that they don't do well on false ground in the same way that I remember hearing myths out of Europe that which is couldn't cross
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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, dig trenches where water flowed because it would keep witches from being able to cross.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's a lot of the, that's just a lot of the history that I, I bound all up into the story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, all the, that's just the world, but the story itself was about a young man on a self-discovery to, to see how he fits.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and also to to sort of the Plato's cave, you know, once you, once you've seen what real reality is, you know, there's no going back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you go back and you try to tell people, no, no, I've seen what real light is, you know, we're just, we're looking at shadows that no one really believe you, but you'll be in touch with reality while no one else is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, and it sort of ends with, you know, Cameron coming to, you know, it comes full circle that he, he now knows who he is and what his path is.
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[UNKNOWN]: All right, I went on for a while there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's all fascinating and obviously this being a nonfiction show where we're listening for the true elements that go into the book and it is very compelling, you know, I often wonder
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[SPEAKER_01]: how far something like what you describe is from the truth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it seems like our lives and the events that really push the momentum of what it means to be a human forward in time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are these personal dimensions to major events, like that moment you describe in the locker room with Eisenhower.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whether that's fiction or not, there's so much truth to it that it almost becomes the truth, you know, and it just takes the right author to, you know, see through the straight and narrow, very, you know, rigid lines that are drawn in the sand between what we consider true and what we consider false.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if we can,
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[SPEAKER_01]: suspend those sort of biases, these modern materialists, way of seeing things, there is a story, a personal element that really rings true when you read something like this
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[SPEAKER_01]: the when to go killer and his treaty that he made.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that and the the the asphalt containing the spirits.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, these are all storytelling devices that convey a message that is in some ways more important or meaningful than the materialists, you know, sort of rationalist explanation for these things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, how do we find our identity?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's shared history and our shared pathologies.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we all, and there's so much continuity between them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can't just rule it out as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why did all of these different cultures almost around the same time have the same sort of myth stories?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, well, so you're going to say that just everything just happens spontaneously and there's no rhyme or reason.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think there's a certain amount of hubris that you need to to maintain to think, well, we've got it all figured out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think we know what we know we should know it with humility.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think we should always be looking for, you know, both rational and irrational reasons why things occur.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like all of the different events that I make reference to in the book and I did this really as something fun for my kids because
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everything I reference, there's some reference in history, like the gen is talking about how why he left the Middle East and why he ended up in Europe and so I walk through all the different leaders over you know 6,000 years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when he gets up to Europe, he's there during the Renaissance period.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he was connected with the Giggas Codex.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think you're probably familiar with the Devil's Bible, which was that monk.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that, you know, whatever offensive he occurred, they were going to wall them up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he said, no, no, I'll sit down tonight and I'll write out a Bible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, yeah, well, that's never going to occur.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the story is, is that he made a pack with a devil.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And by morning, he had a completed, you know, handwritten Bible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But in the center of the Bible, there's
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[SPEAKER_02]: And in the center of the Bible, the reason why they called the devil's Bible is there's an illustration of the devil.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that book has existed, and it has had some sort of a curse, because everyone that's owned it, some sort of disaster has followed it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the last that happened in like the 20th century is the museum that was a set in caught fire and somebody grabbed it and threw it out the window, so it wouldn't burn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's just sort of like this weird curse book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I talk about, you know, how I tied in with my myth creatures as to why that book came to be with with a little bit of humor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you'll probably remember there was another incident that happened in that same area where they called it the dancing, the dancing sickness, where these young
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[SPEAKER_02]: and people started to just almost like obsessively and it couldn't stop dancing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So some people danced until they fell exhausted and dead.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, real event that occurred and people still don't understand why they all started doing this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now I give my reason for it based off of
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[SPEAKER_02]: a bad wish that was granted, but the truth of the matter is,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why did these people just start to the point to where the mayor of that town built a dance floor and hired musicians to try to keep the people someplace to dance while they were obsessively dancing?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think the way they eventually broke it is they took each of them individually and put them into condits or hospitals until they eventually sort of broke out of this hysteria.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, another one that was so much fun to research is a thesis of Colombrone, which was, uh, which would, it's, where that town is is, um, it's now, um, um, uh, what's the, what's the, what's the country from, um, um, uh, in Sino Man, uh, the caveman when he was defrosted
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not that Estonia, Estonia, which is like an uh, yeah, Estonia is, that's where this town is, uh, the origins are, but at the time it was, during the, um, the Swedish Empire where the Swedes had expanded, uh, through most of uh, Russia and down through Germany.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, so this guy steals a sheep, so they bring him before the town leaders and they bring in this farmer who has a witness and I say, hey, did you see this guy steal the sheep and he's like, yes, and you can trust me because I'm aware of.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And everybody's looking at him like, what did you just, and they asked me, did you just say you're in league with the devil?
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, oh, no, no, no, I'm not, I'm not with the devil.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a
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[SPEAKER_02]: I get, I turn it to a werewolf over a course of a few days.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I descend down into hell and I, um, I fight, which is in demons so that we have a good crop.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But no, I, I, I'm a werewolf for good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the town leaders had no idea what to do with this guy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, well, he's not saying he's in league with the Devils.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're not going to burn him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they flopbed him and then they kicked him out of the town.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's a real case.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, oh, there's them by wear walls.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I have a family of wear wolves that live in the Everglades.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And their job is to protect all of the farmers in South Florida.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they make sure that, you know, which is and other evil spirits don't interfere with
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[SPEAKER_02]: the crops and there's other families like this that exist, you know, wherever and they're tied in closely with the farming families.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And their house in order to get to it, you pull up to this dirt road and you don't see anything but like reality parts like curtains,
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[SPEAKER_02]: to where, when it parts in front of you, you have an entrance to their ranch, but you wouldn't be able to see it unless that reality that curtain opens up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But that family, the mother still maintains all of these herbs and these recipes that existed like their enrollment times.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and she's so proud of all of these different recipes and things that she can still make, which my gin is just so impressed that he's like, oh, I've even eaten like this in thousands of years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's,
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was so neat to draw on all of these real, weird historical events, and wrapped them into a community of age story for my teenage kids, and my two oldest are now 18 and they're in college.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My son's getting ready to turn 19 soon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a very talented young man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was the inspiration behind it, but he's also very talented from an artistic snapper.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a musician, but he's the one that drew the cover arts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I told him, I would love to have you do, I'd love to have somebody in the family do the the art for the book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He sat down and he thought about it for a while and he came up with
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, that is perfect.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I had them make some alterations to it, but that's the cover art for the book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought it was so fitting, especially since the main character is like, you know, 1819.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so he drew a young man from the back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want the audience to be able to put whatever face they want on cam.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But from the back, you see a young man sort of with his head down looking forward with casting the shadow of his father the way they go, which is this dark creature with, you know, the huge antlers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was just fun to bring all of this deep history that the rational people don't want to admit to the weirdness that's always existed around us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's just a lack of humility to recognize that these things occur and if you can't explain it, it doesn't make it any less real.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, and though I threw a lot of Easter eggs in there too, like there's a young woman who has this tragic backstory, but she's sort of hiding out in a casino trying to drink her life away.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I picked the the year that the historians consider the worst year in all of humanity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like five, ninety, three years, something like that because of these natural disasters that occurred to these volcanoes that erupted through all this soup in the air.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so you had like a super long winter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and all the crops died, and so there was famine and disease that all happened during this year that they considered to be the worst year in humanity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, well, that's a room number at the hotel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So a lot of, I tried to do it all in layers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, keep in mind, I was doing it during COVID, so I probably could have gone deeper, but you know, I like to write and move and keep moving on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, very interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, when I think of North American cryptids, I think of Sasquatch and, you know, I know that's pretty common amongst peoples all over the world to have some sort of big foot character in their Pantheon of cryptids.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Has he appeared much in your work
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[SPEAKER_02]: one of our family friends was mad at me because I did not have a big foot in there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, I just, I didn't see how to fit him in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the only thing I can think of that, because I grew up in, like, longwood near, uh, archival springs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we had the swamp ape, but I didn't bring him in, but let me see.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I had, um, there was a, uh, a human deer, um, uh, and
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[SPEAKER_02]: how to send you all the names, because I know I'll butcher them all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm lucky if I can pronounce my own name, but Castle Hopi, which is this Chaka, Chaka for a spirit, but he's known for, he like to lure hunters and and and and pull pranks on them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's in there
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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, anybody who anybody tribal that hears me pronounce things and hear them pronounce them improperly, I apologize ahead of time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Managishi, which is from the the Cree or Algonquin, I brought that one in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was a,
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was fairies, the air, airquite have these fairies, one of which is Ottawa, which is a, it guards the below.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it guards the ground and it guards hell from creatures coming up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ola, I believe that's so I have a creature in her name, Otto, who was an Otto of Ferry, who was supposed to be protecting one of the monsters and escaped from Tartus.
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[SPEAKER_02]: he was sent up to get her and bring her back to hell.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But she was in hell because she had gone mad from sort of a cosmic wrong that occurred to her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so he was not in any mad hurry to get her and go back to hell.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he fell in love with sort of like the redneck culture.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's big and southern rock and he'd love going to like dive bars.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's living
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[SPEAKER_02]: And down in South Florida, you know, going going to these die bars when they're particular rouse, which that particular bar everything you ever read has a route has rouse in it, that's one of my uh, that's just one of the the the strings that I connect with all of my different stories is rouse wall we'd be in there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he just lifts the hang out in these bars and play pool, listen to Leonard Skinnerd and he kind of gets shamed in it doing his job.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's got to help them to find a renegade window go name Becky of couchman the childless and she has a whole back story as to why her name is that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, so that was more of these cryptids that exist, but I was specifically looking for cryptids that had ties in with different tribes that are on the eastern corner of the Americas.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's a there's one that just because that's where the story it goes from Canada down to Ohio and into Florida, so I tried to just keep with all the mythology that was there or on the out the Western coast of Europe right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: fascinating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a there's a local legend that comes to mind for me in the Bridgewater triangle maybe like an hour or two drive from where I live now and apparently this short creature
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[SPEAKER_01]: with glowing eyes has led people to go missing in this once, not very large area of Massachusetts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the Native Americans in that area have a legend going back about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This creature that will sort of beckon you in, sounding like a crying baby, or flowing its eyes to kind of make you think there's like a light in the distance, like a warm campfire, something, and it ends up leading a person to go missing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do remember reading that, and I'm trying to remember which,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was like Managishi.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll have to go back and look afterwards because that was the one with, they were tricksters and they like to draw people into their doom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is another word that comes to mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's similar creatures that live along the Appalachian mountain area.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, there's so many of, and every time those videos pop up on my feed of, you know, all the things that your Appalachian grandmother tells you not to do, like if you hear your name called out in the woods in the dark, don't call back, you know, don't whistle in the dark or all these different things to where don't don't bring the creatures to yet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and whatnot to turn your back on and don't leave a door or window open at night and all these things that will invite either spirits or creatures into mess with yet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, there's lots of fun ones that are out in the appellations.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, there's a reason why we're afraid of the
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[SPEAKER_02]: you know built into our DNA and I didn't occur in a vacuum.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, these sound like excellent books are really excited to share this with my audience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where can folks pick up a copy is do you have a website that's a good place to go to for this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I am building my website, but it is native monsters is available, well, the ebook is available for pre-sale, but the hardcover and the paperback are available on October 31st.
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[SPEAKER_02]: on Amazon, and on Barnes and Noble, and I'll send you links up send you a separate email.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the Tangany American Horse, which was the first book I wrote, is also on Amazon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's still live.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The paperback is available, but I'm going to be releasing a hardcover copy in November with some slight revisions to the story, so that that'll be becoming out too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, there's just a whole slew of fun myths to follow there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I also brought in the Thunderbird from Canada, and I made them a big burly strong guy with a French Canadian accent, but I just looked at the picture and I forgot how much I loved that character.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, right now that's available on Amazon website, I had someone offer to help build a nice one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know you can get a lot of, they costly offer authors.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, here's a boilerplate website that you can use, but I'd like to build something more original, but yeah, everything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's on Amazon and Barnes and Noble right now, and yeah, I so very much appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've enjoyed listening to some of your past podcasts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know I'm a little different than most of your guests since, you know, I live in the fiction world, but I so appreciate what you do, and it kept inspiring me to, especially on the third book I'm working on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: which draws on the, I don't know if you ever read the King and Yellow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which was about the accursed play that if you read the second act, it kind of opened your eyes to this, start you to the true reality and drive you mad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the book I'm working on now is there's a book called The Fly on the Cross, which is about a, a reincarnated Buddhist monk
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[SPEAKER_02]: While Jesus has been crucified, and they have this long debate on Western verses, Eastern religion and philosophy, and this redneck reads it after getting stung by the beekeeper.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a beekeeper.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He gets stung a hundred times and the bee stings cause him to hallucinate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he sits down and he writes this book and he has no memory of writing it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But anybody that reads the book,
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[SPEAKER_02]: becomes ungovernable.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the government outlaws the book and anyone that even searches for the unbanking, you know, they forced the bank to pay off to release him from his mortgage and they naturalize them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They kick him out of the country.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and that's that's been a fun that's been a fun sort of, um, future dystopian sci-fi, uh, that I, the quote right now it's tenderly called the new US.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so I, I'm, I'm, I'm listening to your market.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm getting more inspiration for the third book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, I love to hear that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sean, the links will be in the episode description, and I think your books are a great primer for people who are interested in, you know, expanding their horizons in a fun way, you know, and you can take pieces of things that you're referencing and go deeper and find out that there is some truth to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, the truth is just as strange as fiction, sometimes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope it inspires a lot of Googling.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope I all people go through and I go, how much of this is true, how much of this isn't?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that would be a neat thing to pass along.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I wrote it for the kids, for my kids, and I'm hoping other people have that going that fun adventure as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and we certainly need that in these days when we're up against Mr.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Beast and us on slot of mindless video games available to these kids.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So good for being a forward thinking father and taking care of your kids in a way that some folks unfortunately don't even think too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really can appreciate that, Sean, and thank you, Mark.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm very blessed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They are their kids far beyond what I deserve.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I keep that in mind as I'm parenting them to let them know how we loved.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate they are, and to provide them with all the, you know, a love of learning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want them to be a polymath like their old man and just want to learn a little bit about everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, with that folks, thank you for being here, Sean.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you all for tuning in to this episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And until next time, immerse yourself in the moment wherever you are in the now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for listening to this episode with Sean Leahy,
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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of an offbeat episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't really interview fiction authors but Sean's a nice guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely has a lot of true factual referential information that goes into his fiction narrative.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I really like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The when to go story very fascinating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The story about the
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[SPEAKER_01]: The ancient gods at the bottom of that Aztec pit that escaped and became like a cryptid like This is wild stuff and it's the kind of stuff that you know, unfortunately It's not always lengthy in detail enough to comprise a full interview
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[SPEAKER_01]: But to get little tidbits, you know, is fun, and this is kind of like a Halloween episode, so have a happy Halloween out there, hollows Eve, and maybe we'll do another follow-up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do another Halloween episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We had the mummy episode, the hoax mummy episode, which was very cool with Dr. Wilson and our friend Darcy Weir, who's been on the show multiple times, with his many documentaries, going check out the Dr.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Files on Amazon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, that's me, Mystic Mark, thank you all for tuning in to this episode of The My Family Thinks I'm Crazy Podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love everybody who listens all the way to the end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm the kind of podcast listener who listens to every episode to the end if I like a show and I'm listening to dozens and dozens of podcasts each week, so I
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like you listening to a show so if you like what I do help support this crazy journey I'm on by going to patreon.com slash LFTIC I can offer you ad free and interruption free episodes some bonus episodes occasionally the video version of this show which I should be posting the video version of my interview with her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Raw because he asked me to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I should just send it to him and we'll both crossposts down on YouTube.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Either way, this is the outro.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just chatting it up with you guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And uh, yeah, I hope you enjoy this show and you keep listening and tell a friend because that's also super important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, a good review.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Leave us a five-star rating and a rewine never ask.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For that, and here I am, just a guy out here with podcasts that people actually listen to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes it's easy to forget that, but here I am, making it happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll have all you guys for listening, for with that, make you for tuning in, until next episode, immerse yourself in the moment where you are and in that.