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- Lucas: If you could only watch the first two minutes of an interview, you would probably be better at predicting who ends up being a strong hire than if you watched the whole thing. Luna: That sounds like one of those claims that sounds brilliant in a LinkedIn post and then falls apart the second you test it. What's the data behind it? Lucas: So there was a study done last year — 2025, published in the Journal of Applied Psychology — that analyzed over ten thousand interview transcripts from a major technology company. The researchers coded every single thing that happened in the first two minutes of each interview, and then tracked those hires for eighteen months. Luna: What were they looking for specifically? Lucas: They coded for four things: whether the candidate asked a question before the interviewer finished the opening, whether the candidate mentioned a past failure without being prompted, whether the candidate referenced a specific skill or project relevant to the role, and whether the candidate used the interviewer's name. And one of those — the early question — was a surprisingly strong predictor of retention. Luna: Which one mattered most? Lucas: The early question. Candidates who asked a question within the first hundred and twenty seconds were thirty-four percent less likely to leave the company within eighteen months. That's a huge signal for something that takes almost no time to observe. Luna: But isn't that just a proxy for extroversion? Confident people talk more early on, and confident people also stay longer because they advocate for themselves better? Lucas: Great question. The researchers anticipated that, so they controlled for personality traits using the Big Five inventory. The effect held even when you account for extroversion, agreeableness, all of it. The content of the question mattered — it wasn't just that they spoke. Luna: What kind of questions were these? Lucas: Mostly clarifying questions about the role or the team. Things like 'What does success look like in the first ninety days?' or 'Who would I be working with most closely?' Not 'What's the salary range?' or 'How many vacation days do I get?' Those came later, and they didn't predict anything. Lucas: The researchers argued that an early clarifying question signals intellectual humility and curiosity — you're trying to understand the context before you perform. That's a trait that correlates with learning agility and adaptability on the job. Luna: Interesting. So the opposite of someone who launches into a rehearsed monologue about their greatest achievements. Lucas: Exactly. And this is where I think the practical takeaway is really useful. Most interviews open with the standard 'Tell me about yourself' or 'Walk me through your resume.' That invites a prepared answer. If instead the interviewer opens with something like 'I have your resume here, but I'm curious what drew you to this specific role,' you're more likely to get a real thought. Luna: You're basically redesigning the opening to encourage that clarifying question. Lucas: Right. And the study found that the effect was even stronger for roles that required a lot of collaboration and cross-functional work. In those roles, the early question signal was almost twice as predictive of performance ratings at the one-year mark. Luna: So for a software engineer working on a team, it matters more than for a sales rep who works independently. Lucas: Exactly. And that makes intuitive sense — if you're going to be in a lot of meetings and have to navigate ambiguous requirements, you better be someone who asks clarifying questions early and often. Luna: Before we go further — I realize this is exactly the kind of episode where I personally walk away with something I can use tomorrow. And if you're listening and that's true for you too, the way the show stays ad-free and independent is listener support. You can head to buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo and toss something in the jar. It's genuinely what keeps us from having to interrupt these conversations with ads. Lucas: Yeah, and it's not a big ask — just if the show has moved your work forward in some small way, that link is there. Appreciate everyone who's already done it. Now, back to those two minutes. Lucas: So one of the other coded signals that was interesting — mentioning a past failure without being prompted. That one didn't predict retention as strongly, but it predicted manager-rated performance at the six-month mark. People who voluntarily brought up a mistake or a project that didn't go well were rated about fifteen percent higher on problem-solving. Luna: Because they're demonstrating self-awareness and a learning orientation. Lucas: Exactly. And it's not just that they mention a failure — it's that they do it without being asked the standard 'Tell me about a time you failed' question. That suggests it's a natural part of how they think about their work. Luna: But if I'm an interviewer and I know this, doesn't that just encourage candidates to game the system? They'll memorize a failure story and drop it in the first two minutes. Lucas: The researchers actually tested for that. They looked at whether candidates who mentioned a failure also used more hedging language — words like 'maybe,' 'sort of,' 'I think' — which would indicate they're reciting a rehearsed answer. And they found the opposite. The failure mentions that correlated with performance were specific, detailed, and used first-person pronouns like 'I' and 'my' rather than 'we' or 'the team.' Luna: So the genuine ones are concrete and personal. The rehearsed ones are vague and team-oriented. Lucas: Right. And the other thing the study showed is that these signals are most powerful when they happen spontaneously in the first two minutes, before the candidate has had time to get comfortable or fall into a rhythm. After about five minutes, the predictive power drops off significantly. Luna: That's fascinating because it suggests the standard interview structure — where you ease in with small talk and then get to the hard questions — might actually be working against you. Lucas: Exactly. The small talk gives candidates time to switch into interview mode. If you want to see who they really are, you want to catch them off guard right at the beginning, before they've put on the performance. Luna: What does that mean practically for how you run an interview? Lucas: I think it means you should consider ditching the warm-up entirely. Start with something a bit disorienting. Instead of 'How was your commute?' you say 'I've read your resume carefully. What question do you have for me?' That puts the candidate in the driver's seat from second one. Luna: And if they freeze or just say 'No, I'm good,' that's also data. Lucas: That's a strong negative signal. In the study, candidates who didn't ask any question in the first five minutes had a much higher turnover rate. Not asking a question, especially early, correlated with lower engagement and higher likelihood of quitting within the first year. Luna: But wait — some people are just nervous at the start of an interview. Doesn't this penalize introverts or people who need a moment to warm up? Lucas: That's the most common objection, and it's fair. But remember, the signal was about asking a clarifying question — not being the life of the party. You can be introverted and still ask 'What would my first project be?' That's not a personality thing, it's a curiosity thing. Lucas: The researchers also controlled for the interviewer's perception of candidate nervousness, and the effect held. So even when interviewers rated the candidate as visibly nervous, those who still managed to ask a question early were more likely to succeed. Luna: That's pretty compelling. So the takeaway for hiring managers is: change your opening script to invite a question from the candidate right away. Lucas: And then pay attention not just to whether they ask something, but what they ask. Is it about the work itself? About the team? About growth? Or is it about logistics and perks? The study found that work-focused questions were predictive of retention; logistics-focused questions were not. Luna: That makes sense. Someone who leads with 'What's the hardest problem the team is facing right now?' is probably going to be more engaged than someone who asks 'How often do we work from home?' Lucas: Exactly. And the beauty of this approach is that it doesn't require any extra time or technology. You just change the first sentence out of your mouth. It's a zero-cost intervention. Luna: I'm curious — did the study look at whether this works across different industries or job levels? Lucas: They did. The dataset was mostly tech, but they validated the findings on a smaller sample from healthcare and financial services, and the patterns were consistent. For entry-level roles, the early question signal was weaker — probably because those candidates have less context to ask from — but for mid-level and above, it was robust. Luna: So for hiring managers, this is a simple tweak with potentially big payoff. For candidates, what's the lesson? Lucas: If you're a job seeker, go into your next interview with a genuine question that demonstrates you've thought about the role beyond the job description. Ask it early — don't wait until the end when the interviewer asks 'Any questions for me?' That's too late. Luna: Because by then the impression has already been formed. Lucas: Exactly. The first two minutes set the tone. If you can signal curiosity, humility, and a focus on the work right out of the gate, you're already ahead of most candidates. Luna: I think this is one of those episodes where I'm going to change how I interview starting tomorrow. I might even try it on the next guest we have on the show. Lucas: I dare you to open with 'What question do you have for me?' and see what happens. Luna: I'll do it. And I'll report back. Lucas: And we'll do a follow-up episode on whether it works in podcasting. But for now, I think the core insight is simple: the best predictor of how someone will perform might be visible in the first two minutes of conversation — if you're willing to change what you listen for. Luna: That's a good note to end on. Thanks for listening, and we'll see you next time.