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#9: The New Frontier of Healing: VR, Biofeedback, & Consciousness with Lauren Betzing and Jon Warren · Love Conquers Fear

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  It's interesting too, when you look back at the trajectory of
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  where we are now and then you see these little points that
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  connect all the dot. I had gone through kind of a
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  personal, I'm going to say autoimmune kind of illness over
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  the years that led to a lot of stomach discomfort and things
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  like that. And that moment was really big
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  for me in my journey because it really opened up this path to
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  health and just how powerful it is for not only the food we eat,
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  but also our thoughts and our minds and everything we really,
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  you know, surround ourselves and our environment.
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  You know, Meta made $45 billion in cash last quarter, and
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  Duckerberg was just at the White House for that big tech dinner
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  and pledge that they're going to spend at least $600 billion by
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  2028 on AI. This algorithmic manipulation is
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  a real problem, but it really you can really get whipsawed.
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  And part of what you realize if you go on a spiritual journey is
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  that part of becoming more spiritual means that you're a
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  deep programming though. You know, one of the most, I've
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  done hundreds of these demos with people and, and seeing how
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  people light up in different certain ways.
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  Our bodies, hands down are the most advanced technology ever
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  created. Like it's amazing what your body
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  is capable of doing, but when we live in these dysregulated
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  states all the time then it's not capable to function in the
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  way that it was built. People are just opening up and
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  it's a greater level of awareness, but I think we just
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  also have to remember that it is our consciousness and our
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  directed thought that is creating the technology.
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  Hey everyone, welcome back to the Love Conquers Fear podcast.
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  This is being recorded on a really special day for me
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  personally because tonight I talked about this on episode 1.
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  This is the night where former Governor Rick Perry is coming
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  over to our home with Brian Hubbard and one of the most
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  important Ted talks that I saw in April.
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  I love going to Ted. It's it's the world's best
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  classroom with some of the world's best teachers and
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  students. But as I went to Ted, you know,
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  one talk that really stood out was the talk by the head of the
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  Stanford Brain Center, Ibogaine. And ibogaine completely heals
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  and one dose vets that are suicidal as well as opioid
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  addicts. And also it heals Alcoholics and
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  one dose. There's no medicine that's that
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  efficacious. And ibogaine is a psychedelic
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  that comes out of Africa. I think it's West and South
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  Africa. It's very intense.
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  One, it's nothing that I've done because I really don't feel the
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  calling to do it. I don't have that kind of PTSD.
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  But it's 18 to 24 hour journey. And I remember having dinner at
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  the governor's mansion when Rick Perry was our governor.
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  I was sitting right next to him, and I would have never predicted
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  in a place here is that he was going to dedicate the next half
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  of his life to making ibogaine legal and being able to help
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  your vets. We actually lose more vets in
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  the United States by suicide than we do by combat.
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  And it's a really honorable mission that he's on.
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  So tonight, my wife and I are hosting a big dinner to raise
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  money to scale up the Ibogaine Americans for Ibogaine
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  initiative. And, you know, Texas, you know,
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  doesn't do everything right. You know, certainly it's got its
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  challenges just like any state does.
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  But one of the things they did do right is a few months ago,
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  they passed $50 million of funding for ibogaine research to
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  help these vets. And to be clear on my stance on
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  it, I would only be in favor of the legalization of of something
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  that powerful used in a very monitored fashion, you know, out
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  of place where someone has gotten a prescription for it.
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  Nobody would want to do. Ibogaine faces a street drug
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  because it is literally an 18 to 24 hour journey of incredible
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  intensity. It actually, from what I've
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  heard, makes you relive every moment in your life, any trauma
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  that you had and get you to face that head on and then you
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  overcome it and you overcome it forever.
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  And show me, you know, an antidepressant or any other drug
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  that's legal in the United States that does that.
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  So to be clear, ibogaine is it legal today?
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  The 50 million in funding is going towards these studies in
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  the hopes that it will become legal to help these vets and
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  it's being scaled out around the United States with this American
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  spy began initiative to hopefully get passed in other
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  States. And the really interesting
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  history is guy Brian Albert who's working with Rick Perry on
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  he he tried to get this done in Kentucky got canceled there and
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  he found a home for it in Texas. And this is more funding 50
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  million is more funding than it's gone to psychedelics
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  research since the Nixon administration anywhere in the
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  world. And again, if you have curiosity
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  about psychedelics, have talked about this before, but watch the
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  How to Change Your Mind documentary on Netflix by
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  Michael Pollan or read his book. It is phenomenal introduction to
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  how powerful these therapeutics can be and certainly have been
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  very beneficial in my life and have really helped me both, you
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  know, overcome not trauma, but just things that, you know, were
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  challenges in my life to overcome.
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  And it led me on a reading journey that has just been
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  incredible this year. I mean, I've read over 45 books.
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  I've listened to hundreds of podcast episodes, read thousands
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  of articles. As you know, from the last
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  episode, I blended that together.
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  Now you write science fiction to really create a different
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  narrative than all the dystopian that's being pushed at us
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  constantly in terms of, you know, the Terminator scenario or
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  the Matrix scenario. And so the novella that I'm
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  publishing actually next week, which would be live on Amazon by
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  time you see, this is called the Lattice.
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  And it's a series of three short stories, starting with God's
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  final exam, then God's created power, and then it finishes with
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  God's infinite game. And, and again, you know, if the
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  word God turns you off, doesn't turn me off, but, you know,
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  replace it in your head with the word consciousness or source.
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  We have Rosh Hashanah coming up on, you know, I'm Jewish and,
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  and that means the head of the year.
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  It's our Jewish new year. And I actually learned for the
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  first time last year in the Torah.
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  It just can't believe this. I saw this before, that its
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  source is capitalized as a proper noun all throughout the
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  Torah, the divine source. So whatever, whatever you want
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  to call it, we know that it's loving.
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  And anybody that's done deep meditation or done psychedelics
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  or had an awakening of some sort, know that the universe is
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  rooted in love. And that's why, you know, named
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  this podcast Love Conquers Fear. Because the next 10 to 15 years
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  are going to be very intense for humanity.
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  And ultimately the biggest problem in US reaching the age
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  of abundance for all is getting over our fear based scarcity 0
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  sum mindset. And one of the things that
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  happened that was really amazing, as you know, I've been
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  talking about this for a long time.
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  And last week in the New York Times, Thomas Friedman wrote an
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  article with Craig Mundy. Craig Mundy is of Microsoft fame
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  and he Co wrote a book with Henry Kissinger and Eric Schmidt
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  named Genesis, which was really Henry Kissinger's swan song to
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  humanity. He passed away two weeks after
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  that book was finished. In terms of being written, not
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  published, published after his death and it was his swan song
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  to humanity. Well, he was Thomas Friedman and
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  Craig Mundy teamed up to write a New York Times article and it's
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  named something like. I'll put it in the podcast show
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  notes here. The one thing that the US and
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  China can't avoid, and it's the the US and China must work
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  together to make it to this age that I've been talking about
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  with AI. That AI is going to be so vastly
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  powerful that we have to get over our squabbling between
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  different forms of government. You know, and you know, we can
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  think what we want about the Chinese government.
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  And certainly I'm not condoning everything or most things that
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  the Chinese government does, but people are people and
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  genetically we are 99.9% identical.
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  You take the shortest person in China and put them up against
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  the tallest, you know, black American basketball player in
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  the United States, and they're 99.9% identical from ADNA
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  perspective. And we have to realize the
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  divine nature of humanity. And we have to rediscover that
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  the reality that we actually live in is beautiful.
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  And sometimes that gets very polluted via the programming we
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  get because of this earth school that we're in, where we
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  constantly have to rediscover what it means to grow into a
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  human being that's embodied with love and to manifest that over
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  and over lifetime, from lifetime to lifetime.
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  So stay tuned for more insights on the dinner that I'm having
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  tonight with Governor Perry and Brian Hubbard.
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  Going to be amazing. The people showing up for it are
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  amazing. And hopefully this leads to a
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  big spark where this ibogaine initiative gets scaled around
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  the United States and that we finally have a cure for opioid
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  addicts, Alcoholics, as well as suicidal people booting, you
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  know, the veterans that really serve our country.
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  So today I'm really, really honored to have John and Lauren
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  on from a company that both Jason Carp and I invested in.
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  He invested in it first and told me about it.
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  And you guys saw him on episode 4 of the podcast.
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  He's an amazing human being. And their company is named
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  Evolve. This is the first time I have an
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  episode where it's a husband and wife team on or frankly just two
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  people on at the same time on a podcast.
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  And it's the first time that I've ever had someone on that we
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  invested in. But it's because I love their
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  work. And actually this room that
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  we're recording in was was the room where I first saw the demo.
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  And it's also the room where Mark Gobert was over at our
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  house. You saw him on episode 2.
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  And Mark was just blown away by the technology and, and my wife
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  Deborah was also really blown away by it.
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  And we knew we had to invest. And I'm going to ask him, you
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  know, how everything's going, and we're going to get into it.
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  So. Hey, welcome.
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  Yeah. Thanks for good to be here with
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  you. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Thanks again for the room being
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  familiar to you guys. This was where it made some
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  history. You know, you'll never forget
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  that when evolved this big company that you know this was
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  at least one of the stops, you know, along the journey.
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  It was our first time doing a demo on a movie projector
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  screen, so that was a new. That was a new one.
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  Like, you know, I take the photos from the back and it was
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  just a huge, huge, you know, projection.
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  I mean, I, it was so, so cool. I'll never forget it.
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  We're going to get into what evolved is and, you know,
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  specifically what it feels like to use the product.
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  It's it's amazing, but I want to start out with just a bit of an
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  origin story on you both. You know, where did you where do
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  you grow up in and and what were some of the early childhood
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  influences? You know, where do you go to
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  school? How did you get to this point of
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  Co founding of all together with the husband and wife team?
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  Yeah, great. You want to go first?
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  Sure. Sure.
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  So I grew up on the East Coast in Maryland and a lot of my
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  childhood honestly was athletics.
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  And I know we'll probably talk more, you know, as we go on
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  around programming. And from that journey, there
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  were so many positives, But there are also so many things
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  too that, you know, have have some different components that,
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  you know, just this, this pushing and always trying to
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  strive and you know, all that, that have also had some shifts
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  that have come over time from it.
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  But I was just completely into all things sports.
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  I was a national level swimmer kind of at a young age and just
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  absolutely loved the individual competition and all of it.
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  Had a very kind of traditional childhood.
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  And it was, I guess really until I went off to college.
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  But, you know, I kind of left a small town Maryland and I went
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  to undergraduate Dartmouth. And there I just had always been
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  fascinated and just human behavior, what makes us tick.
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  I actually remember being in Sunday school, like asking all
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  these very like deep questions at an age.
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  And so I found kind of a path to that in college and psychology
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  and so really stuttering neuroscience and human behavior
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  and like, why do humans make the decisions that that they do?
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  And so that was really kind of my journey there and.
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  Psychology Major. Yeah, I was.
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  I was. Yeah.
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  Oldest daughter Rachel is a triple major two line business
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  psychology and creative writing. She loves like Adam Grant and
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  Nell Robbins and everything psychology.
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  Yeah, yeah, absolutely. When it's interesting too, when
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  you look back and the trajectory of where we are now and then you
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  see these, these little points that connect all the dots.
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  One of the experiences that I had when I was in college, I
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  actually worked at the Tech School of Business in a research
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  lab there. And the research lab was
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  specifically doing health messaging claims and how claims
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  actually impact health behaviors, which essentially was
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  a lot of the early placebo work. And so it's interesting now to
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  see how that early work now transcends right what we're
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  doing now. So, so yeah.
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  So background in psychology, I was super interested, like I
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  said, in human behavior. And then I went into the
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  business world. So I was in management
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  consulting for over 5 years, a lot of Fortune 150 grow strategy
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  work and then transitioned into all things health and
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  healthcare. I had gone through kind of a
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  personal, I'm going to say autoimmune, had an illness over
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  the years that led to a lot of stomach discomfort and things
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  like that. And I went to every single
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  doctor, had ultrasounds, all the things that you can think of,
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  and I actually came across just nutrition as a path for healing.
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  And so I did this very deep protocol and essentially reverse
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  the condition and I no longer had it.
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  And so you. And Jason Carr.
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  Yeah, so we have a similar, we have a similar Lincoln that way.
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  And that moment was really big for me in my journey because it
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  really opened up this path to health and just how powerful it
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  is for not only the food we eat, but also our thoughts and our
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  minds and everything we really, you know, surround ourselves and
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  our environment. And so that's when my passion
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  for health really took off in a new way.
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  And I ended up going back to grad school and I did a joint
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  program at Yale with the School of Public Health and the School
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  of Public Business focused on product disease epidemiology, a
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  lot with nutrition, and then also health policy.
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  And I just became incredibly passionate about how can we
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  actually shift health, health outcomes and had done a lot of
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  work in the health insurance space when I was in consulting.
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  And I was just like, there's so many opportunities here to shift
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  population health if we really focused on the core root cause
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  drivers that are causing illness.
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  And so then I spent a lot of time in DC, so over five years
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  at the chief as the chief of staff at a think tank, really at
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  the intersection of public policy work with the White House
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  and a lot of large national corporations, particularly as
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  CPG. And the goal there was really
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  how can we find the middle ground between everyone to
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  really shift population health forward, developing a lot of
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  business cases for how can we actually improve not only the
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  health of the population, but also businesses.
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  Can we find that middle ground? And middle ground in DC is not
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  something that happens a lot. So it was an interesting journey
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  and learned a ton on the policy side.
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  But after kind of looking at everything in a macro level and
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  then also just seeing quite frankly the DC environment and
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  how intense lobbying was and how that would shift a lot of
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  initiatives that had a lot of traction.
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  I wanted to start to get involved with things really on
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  the ground up. And so that's when I shifted
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  over a really fully health tech entrepreneurship.
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  And I've spent the last 8 last years working with a lot of
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  startups in the health tech space.
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  And then that's eventually led to all the work we're now doing
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  at Evolve. And I always say that's kind of
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  the, you know, a little bit of their early childhood
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  professional trajectory. But a huge part of this has been
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  the last 10 years. Big catalyst was when my dad
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  actually passed away from brain cancer.
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  And that just really started my consciousness and spiritual
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  journey as well. You know, my entry into
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  everything was actually through quantum physics when my dad
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  passed away. My favorite?
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  Subjects. Right now, I started, I started
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  to ask the questions like, where do we go?
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  What happens? Like he's no longer here.
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  And it just really kind of opened up my field.
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  And I started to read all these books on quantum physics.
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  And because, you know, my background was in science, I had
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  a very analytical mind at that point in time.
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  I dove in and I was just like, oh, all of this is possible.
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  And I always say, study quantum physics for two days and you'll
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  realize the nature of this reality.
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  Became much more spiritual as a result of study.
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  Well, actually inventing a lot of quantum physics, and Einstein
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  too had this. Really.
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  Difficult kind of reconciliation where he's like, eventually I
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  choose material, but he could not, he could not reconcile.
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  Like why quantum entanglement was possible, but it was
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  interesting that it wasn't. We weren't able to prove it with
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  scientific instrumentation until after he passed away, but he
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  knew the math. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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  And so and so that really just started a journey of all
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  different levels of discovery from becoming a meditation
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  teacher, training in Kundalini yoga, meditation psyche and the
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  just impact of our beliefs. And then also just training and
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  learning in so many different lineages.
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  Similar to how it sounds like you're such an avid reader and
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  articles and all the things. I just love to dive in.
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  So dove into all the religious texts and, you know, so many
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  different types of trainings and modalities and all of it for for
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  many years and did a lot of. Have you read the the Delta
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  Ching? I have.
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  I just read that for the first time and now I'm reading another
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  book which is another interpretation of it and how to
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  embody it and it's just kind of mind blowing that it's all in
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  there. It is 2500 years old and I also
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  recently read the Bhagavad Gita which which is also profound.
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  The only part I was meeting with a Indian American friend
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  yesterday, The only part I rejected that is the caste
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  system on that. But so many divine messages in
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  there. Oh, absolutely.
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  And I think the, the, the magical thing about all that is
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  you read all these tests and then you start to see what are
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  the universal truths? And it's like we're all saying
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  the same thing, right? And I think that's the
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  perspective that that's great for really dying.
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  I did know that because I had done enough analysis to know all
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  the synchronicity between ancient spirituality, but I
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  never actually read it in full, and reading in full is
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  different. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
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  And so and so, yeah. And so it's just been a lot of
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  just deep discovery into all that, but then also
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  implementation and practice. And I think because a lot of my
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  early background in psychology and human and human behavior
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  change, I took all of that and I started reading it and I just
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  started applying it in my life, right?
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  And testing and experimenting and seeing like, how do all
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  these things actually play out? I think what you were saying
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  before around embodiment, I think that's just been the
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  biggest part of that journey that really started with
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  learning and books and really even in an analytical aspect, it
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  has really transitioned over the years and particularly the last,
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  I'd say two or three to just deeply embodying all those
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  practices. And I think that's, you know,
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  such a big part of the journey is we can't just learn it.
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  We actually have to apply it. Yeah, yeah, You have to live it
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  in the Dow, be like, you have to walk the way.
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  For the way and. You know, but any religion like,
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  you know, Christianity walk in God's grace better.
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  I mean, it's all it's all the same thing.
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  And when you really embrace that, it is true that the
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  synchronicities to start showing up.
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  And we're going to get into that a little bit later in this in
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  this episode because Oh my gosh, the synchronicities between us
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  have been mind blowing. Did you ever read the book signs
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  by Laurel and Jackson? I have I.
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  Have heard that as well. That book has helped me really
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  get back in tune with my mom and dad's soul.
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  And I've been really enjoying like having conversations on
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  long hikes and, and you know, it doesn't happen all the time, but
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  when it happens, it's really profound.
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  And that book is that book is amazing.
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  I literally wept every chapter in the book because the way she
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  reads it, Oh my gosh, she's got the most beautiful voice.
• 21:31
  That 1 is amazing on Audible. Yeah, there's so many profound
• 21:33
  stories in that one. Yeah.
• 21:36
  Well, John, yeah. Yeah.
• 21:39
  Well, I guess, yeah. Similar to Lauren, I also grew
• 21:42
  up in a small town, but I grew up in the Midwest.
• 21:44
  I grew up in a small town in Iowa and, you know, had, you
• 21:48
  know, I'd say a somewhat average childhood, you know, a fair
• 21:52
  amount of struggles and different things like that that
• 21:55
  I think had a lot of influence on me later on now that I can
• 22:00
  reflect back on what took place back then.
• 22:04
  And also similar to Lauren, you know, I tended to focus my
• 22:08
  direction and all my energy into sports and athletics and, and
• 22:12
  also was very just fascinated with engineering and physics as
• 22:16
  a young kid. I can't tell you how many days I
• 22:20
  spent in my closet building Legos and rebuilding Legos and
• 22:24
  rebuilding Legos. And also was very fortunate, my
• 22:27
  mom was an artist and, and she also did crafts and stuff like
• 22:32
  that. And so like at the young age of
• 22:34
  like 5, like I was able to kind of go work for her and kind of
• 22:37
  learn from her like this entrepreneurial spirit of like
• 22:40
  creating things and selling things and, and as.
• 22:44
  We have that in common. You know, I mean, my parents
• 22:47
  were entrepreneurs. From the time I was.
• 22:49
  That's dumb. My mom learned how to program
• 22:51
  with me at age 7 and that was the biggest gift of all.
• 22:56
  The biggest gift of all was that she realized that was my poor
• 22:59
  calling and let me do it obsessively for the rest of my
• 23:02
  childhood. She did not force me to do
• 23:04
  anything else, she just let me be in the flow.
• 23:08
  Wow, that's special. Yeah, yeah, it really is.
• 23:10
  Yeah. And and yeah, and so and so, you
• 23:13
  know, I was always down there on the band saw or the table saw at
• 23:16
  the at the young age of 5, right?
• 23:17
  Like. And so I still have all my
• 23:19
  fingers. You're producing.
• 23:21
  Yeah, so I would make like physical items, I would make my
• 23:25
  own wooden toy sets and I would take him to the craft shows and
• 23:29
  stuff like that. And like, I could sell them and,
• 23:31
  and I would always, you know, want to be the cashier and kind
• 23:33
  of help with the transactions and help with answering
• 23:35
  questions and stuff like that. And so, yeah, it was a really
• 23:39
  memorable time That had a lot of influence on me growing up.
• 23:43
  Yeah. I, you know, really enjoyed
• 23:45
  sports and athletics and just kind of driving my passion
• 23:48
  towards that. And what did you play?
• 23:50
  I did football on track. And then I also did, you know,
• 23:53
  baseball and basketball, like when a younger age, but then in
• 23:56
  high school, I just focused on football on track.
• 23:59
  Yeah, Yeah. I kind of went through some
• 24:01
  tough experiences with with learning how college football
• 24:04
  were at that level. You know, my senior year in high
• 24:08
  school, I shattered my left ankle.
• 24:10
  Yeah. My foot was actually facing
• 24:11
  backwards. So when you I went down to look
• 24:15
  at it and my shoe was facing the other way.
• 24:18
  I just so good at this knee and basketball one time where my
• 24:21
  whole body went this way and the one that was too, that was the
• 24:28
  most pain I think I've actually been in.
• 24:30
  I mean really bad. Yeah, I don't really remember
• 24:32
  much pain with it like which was really an interesting
• 24:35
  reflection, right. And the.
• 24:36
  Problem was that nothing tore so my entire quadricep went with my
• 24:42
  knee and it was stuck behind and so I was trying to fire back and
• 24:49
  it was bad. But anyways, it was, it was
• 24:52
  there's, there's a little bit of trauma at that.
• 24:54
  Oh, I bet it got back and like I had to go in, they'd pop it back
• 24:58
  in. Oh wow, and the wind.
• 24:59
  Braced for a long time. Oh.
• 25:01
  Man. Yeah.
• 25:02
  And then when it came off, this leg was like the bias of this.
• 25:06
  Yeah, I call them muscle drama. You have to do a lot of rehab, a
• 25:08
  lot of that stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's yeah.
• 25:12
  Well, it's important to do all the rehab, though, right?
• 25:14
  Of course, yeah. But yeah.
• 25:16
  And so, yeah. And so with that, you know,
• 25:19
  unfortunately I'd lost some some scholarships that I had to play
• 25:23
  at the Division One level. But luckily, you know, one of
• 25:27
  the head coaches was also, or one of the assistant
• 25:29
  coordinators that was recruiting me also went to be a head coach
• 25:32
  at a school called Western Illinois early that spring.
• 25:35
  He offered for me to come to a try out.
• 25:37
  And so I still went and tried out and I was rehabbing like
• 25:40
  crazy and doing all this stuff to kind of get ready 'cause I
• 25:42
  still wanted to play. Yeah.
• 25:44
  And he, you know, did a try out and he offered me a full
• 25:47
  scholarship there on the spot. And so I signed as fast as I
• 25:50
  possibly could before anything else could happen, you know, And
• 25:53
  so I decided to go there and play football.
• 25:55
  And I studied engineering, feel very passionate and like, you
• 25:58
  know, all forms of engineering, the science of engineering,
• 26:01
  mechanical engineering, electrical engineering, also
• 26:04
  studied a lot of physics and robotics classes and stuff like
• 26:07
  that there. Even even then, they had
• 26:09
  robotic. Yeah, yeah, Initial robotics.
• 26:12
  Yeah, where? Were you at school?
• 26:14
  I'm sorry, where were you at school?
• 26:15
  It was Western Illinois University.
• 26:17
  OK, Western Illinois. Yeah, Yeah.
• 26:19
  So we had very small that's cool Robotics lab.
• 26:21
  Little, I mean that amount of sophistication at a little
• 26:26
  college like. Yeah.
• 26:28
  You know, yeah, it was great. It was great.
• 26:30
  Yeah. And and then, you know, going
• 26:32
  into my senior year in college, actually blew out my right knee.
• 26:36
  And I think after that, I kind of took it as like maybe a sign
• 26:39
  he was like, OK, all right, you should.
• 26:43
  Yeah, I use my brain more and like, focus my energy in another
• 26:46
  direction. And so and so that's what I did.
• 26:48
  And I just, you know, got just fascinated with business then
• 26:51
  just like how corporate companies were built, how
• 26:53
  companies were ran, I got fascinated with like all the,
• 26:56
  you know, advanced forms of technology and like, what was
• 26:59
  out there and like, what could we do with things?
• 27:01
  And they, I just loved building things, right.
• 27:04
  And like, that was a really just that lights me up.
• 27:07
  And so went in and, you know, started working with the with
• 27:10
  the company and, you know, got to, you know, you know, worked
• 27:13
  my way up and it's promoted several times and got to see all
• 27:16
  facets of the company and then decided, you know, it was time
• 27:19
  for me to kind of leave and go work in another space.
• 27:23
  And so I went to the data center space that was fascinated with
• 27:26
  cloud computing and data centers and like how they were built.
• 27:28
  And I saw that like, well, we're going to need to build more
• 27:31
  robust types of data centers to really, you know, help harness
• 27:34
  all of this data and all of this computing power that's needed to
• 27:38
  to support everything. So did that for a few years was
• 27:41
  actually that company we got acquired by a fairly large
• 27:46
  Fortune 150 company and was able to run integration like for all
• 27:50
  North America into there. So really kind of learned that
• 27:53
  transactional E as well and then actually went into their M and a
• 27:56
  side of of their house for a couple years, which was great.
• 27:59
  And this, this was meta, right? No, this was at Emerson
• 28:02
  Electric, OK, Emerson Network Power was the division that
• 28:05
  acquired. Yeah, that came later.
• 28:10
  And then through that, you know, I was actually able to kind of
• 28:12
  build my first start up inside of this company, which was
• 28:15
  great, right? Like we're acquiring all these
• 28:17
  assets, but we weren't using everything.
• 28:19
  So we were kind of cherry picking technologies.
• 28:21
  And, you know, I came up, you know, with this pitch to be able
• 28:25
  to kind of bolt these other assets together to focus on
• 28:30
  like, you know, electronic medical records for data center
• 28:33
  storage and then also IT infrastructures for healthcare.
• 28:36
  And so I was able to kind of build a business unit there from
• 28:40
  that, which, you know, was it was just a ton of fun, you know,
• 28:43
  from that went to work with, you know, some high net worth
• 28:46
  individuals to kind of help consult on their portfolio
• 28:48
  companies and do some stuff like that to kind of find the next
• 28:51
  company that I really wanted to, you know, be involved with and
• 28:55
  bring them to take over. And, you know, and that was a
• 28:59
  technology that spun out from NC State University.
• 29:02
  I was a thin film optics technology, which was just
• 29:05
  absolutely fascinating. The company was called Imagine
• 29:07
  Optics. And you know, really from like
• 29:11
  2015 to 2002 thousand 21 was just like this all out of Sprint
• 29:16
  of like, OK, how can we commercialize this technology?
• 29:20
  You know, we quickly found that, you know, working in AR and VR
• 29:23
  was a huge opportunity. Working in flat panel displays
• 29:26
  was a huge opportunity and a whole bunch of other sensory
• 29:29
  aspects. Yeah.
• 29:30
  And so, you know, built manufacturing, did all of these
• 29:33
  things, raised a bunch of capital and then eventually
• 29:36
  exited that company to Meta. So that was the company we sold
• 29:41
  to Meta and so then that. And that's their optics.
• 29:44
  Yeah, that technology is being used in like the Orion glasses
• 29:48
  that Mark wears, and then it'll also be used in all of their
• 29:51
  ARVR equipment moving forward. Yeah.
• 29:55
  And then also during that time, you know, I was offered, you
• 29:59
  know, to be a key man and that acquisition.
• 30:02
  And, you know, it was a great opportunity, but I kind of had
• 30:07
  this other opportunity that I really wanted to be part of.
• 30:09
  And that was, you know, building a wall, you know.
• 30:13
  And so I, you know, respectfully, you know, I turned
• 30:16
  that down, was able to still leave on good terms.
• 30:20
  The acquisition still went through like everything
• 30:22
  happened, but it gave me the opportunity to really kind of
• 30:26
  focus we're building team people.
• 30:29
  Can truly respect how difficult of a decision that is.
• 30:33
  And a lot of people. Are surprised that with my
• 30:35
  company data dot world which was acquired on 7/7 that I did not
• 30:41
  end up going there and I have nothing but respect for for for
• 30:46
  service Now I think that they're an amazing company and they're
• 30:49
  certainly super stable. 10 billion in cash on the balance
• 30:52
  sheet sheet, 30,000 employees, fastest company outside of
• 30:58
  Salesforce to get to 10 billion of AR until by the way opening I
• 31:01
  came along OK. Now it's about now the fastest.
• 31:06
  They're faster than than a Salesforce on that there I think
• 31:10
  12 or 13 billion of AR right now.
• 31:12
  And right now as we're recording this, I think this is the one
• 31:16
  thousandth and 16th day since the launch of chapter GBT today.
• 31:20
  That's all short amount of time. We it's 19, three years.
• 31:23
  That's. Wild.
• 31:24
  Now think about that. It'll be November 30th of this
• 31:26
  year or it's three years, which is just incredible.
• 31:31
  Like that kind of acceleration. That's that's.
• 31:33
  That's amazing. Well, and that's the times right
• 31:35
  now, right? I mean, that's just where
• 31:36
  technology's at. Like, you know, everything is
• 31:39
  accelerating that fast and. So, so let's talk about how you
• 31:43
  guys met like before we really jump into Evolve because
• 31:48
  actually, you know, you probably don't know this, but I started
• 31:51
  my first several companies at the beginning with my wife
• 31:54
  Deborah, which was amazing. I mean, she's so, so, so
• 31:59
  talented and you know that there's no way I'd be sitting in
• 32:06
  front of you guys today without having that strong marriage.
• 32:10
  From really the beginning of my entrepreneurial when we got
• 32:14
  married, I had $1000 and shared $2000.
• 32:17
  And I joke with people that I married the wealthier woman.
• 32:22
  But yeah. How do you guys meet?
• 32:25
  Yeah. So, well, do you want to share
• 32:27
  it or do you want me to? Can't wait.
• 32:29
  Bye. Yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll share.
• 32:31
  You know, I was just finishing Business School and Lauren was
• 32:34
  just finishing up her undergrad and we were both on vacations
• 32:39
  with a group of our friends. And I mean, we, we were in the
• 32:43
  Caribbean and it was just, you know, we just kind of met and I
• 32:46
  don't want to think just kind of instantly knew something was
• 32:49
  special and different. And then I think the real, you
• 32:53
  know, coincidence piece that really solidified that was, you
• 32:57
  know, after we met and we hung out for this week period of
• 33:00
  time, like we had both actually flown out of the same airport
• 33:03
  versus all of our other friends flew out of Miami airport, we
• 33:06
  flew out of Fort Lauderdale And we were just kind of, I don't
• 33:10
  know, a separate, you know, we didn't, we didn't know that each
• 33:14
  other were there. And all of a sudden, like, I
• 33:17
  turn around and I'm looking at signs and apparently she was
• 33:20
  doing the same things. And our backs just, like, bumped
• 33:23
  right up into each other. That is so cool.
• 33:25
  And we turned around and I'm just like, are you following me?
• 33:27
  Yeah, it's just. So I said while.
• 33:32
  I wait. And then ever since then, we've
• 33:34
  talked every single day. And that happened in 2007, the
• 33:38
  March of 2007. Wow.
• 33:40
  Yeah, I'll tell, I'll tell you a quick story that I haven't told
• 33:44
  on this podcast, but it's it's one that told me for sure that I
• 33:50
  married my soul mate. So when I was a teenage boy,
• 33:53
  that's going to sound like a teenage boy story, but but it's
• 33:56
  true. I had this recurring dream by 8
• 33:59
  to 10 times where I was, I was on the beach and this beautiful
• 34:06
  woman was walking up to me from the ocean and walking on the
• 34:11
  sand. And I, it just continued to
• 34:15
  recur. And it was the same moment.
• 34:18
  And I didn't really know what it meant, but it was like amazing.
• 34:24
  And when Deborah and I were on our honeymoon, we were in
• 34:28
  Greece. It was the first time we'd ever
• 34:29
  been outside of North America. And we hiked up to this beach.
• 34:34
  We hiked over these cliffs to this beach.
• 34:36
  We're in this small city. We're really just town called
• 34:40
  Madla and Crete. And when we got to the other
• 34:44
  side, you know, they're these huge cliffs on each side, it
• 34:49
  looked like where Odysseus would have like shown up or something.
• 34:51
  I mean, it's just beautiful. There were caves, ancient caves
• 34:54
  there and very remote, but very, very cool.
• 34:57
  You know, maybe 16 people on the beach, you know, not commercial
• 35:03
  at all. Actually.
• 35:04
  There was this caveman looking guy literally looked like a
• 35:06
  caveman with dark leather skin, long hair, beard.
• 35:12
  He lived there in one of the caves.
• 35:14
  He was a entrepreneur that rented out the, is this his own
• 35:18
  little business there? Rented out the umbrellas.
• 35:21
  And so I kind of like fell a little bit of sleep on the
• 35:24
  beach. And I woke up in that half kind
• 35:27
  of groggy state, you know, where it's almost like a little bit
• 35:30
  like a dream state. And Deborah's walking up to me
• 35:33
  and it all rushed back. And I was like, oh, my gosh.
• 35:38
  I was like, I had forgotten about the dream actually,
• 35:40
  because it was, you know, it was about 8 to 10 years after those
• 35:44
  dreams stopped. And I was like, you're not going
• 35:47
  to believe this, but you really are the one.
• 35:49
  Like, I dreamed you over and over again.
• 35:53
  Like it was literally that exact scene.
• 35:56
  And it's one of those moments where I, I definitely had
• 36:04
  believed in God and, you know, would consider myself somewhat
• 36:07
  spiritual, but, you know, wasn't, wasn't regularly going
• 36:12
  to, you know, practice. But it was one of those moments
• 36:16
  that I look back on and I, I actually relive this moment in
• 36:20
  a, in a psychedelic journey as another, like, sign of, you
• 36:26
  know, you know, you're married to your soulmate.
• 36:28
  Like that was real. And that was that was us showing
• 36:31
  you what the future would be. But, you know, we have free will
• 36:37
  and you have to make that decision.
• 36:39
  Yeah, and there's lots of things that actually Journey of Souls,
• 36:44
  which I finish on the few. Have you read that book?
• 36:46
  Michael Newton? Amazing book.
• 36:47
  I mean, very, very advanced book.
• 36:49
  I would not recommend it to people watching this unless
• 36:53
  they've read lots of books on spirituality, because it's so
• 36:56
  far out there that if you don't have a basis foundation, you're
• 36:59
  going to just think it's kind of crazy.
• 37:01
  But if you have the basis foundation, then it's a very,
• 37:05
  very good book to read. But one of the things you learn
• 37:08
  from that book is there's all these markers that are placed
• 37:11
  before you Incarnate that you have the free will on whether or
• 37:15
  not you're going to choose them. And you know, I, I chose right,
• 37:19
  let's put it in some way. But but when you guys bumped
• 37:21
  into each other like that, you could have made a different
• 37:26
  decision. What got you guys to know?
• 37:29
  Like what was the spark that made you?
• 37:32
  Well, we were living in different places at that point.
• 37:34
  Well, I was about to, I was in Manhattan and John was in
• 37:37
  Illinois. And so we just, you know, stayed
• 37:41
  in touch. We visited, we were long
• 37:43
  distance, I think for like the first year.
• 37:46
  And then my firm that I work for us, I had offices in Chicago.
• 37:49
  And so we're like, OK, well, let's just this is going to
• 37:51
  work. Let's see.
• 37:53
  And so we both moved to Chicago. And so then, you know, got to
• 37:56
  spend more time together there for a couple of years.
• 37:58
  And then after that it was off to grad school.
• 38:01
  I think we just, we got engaged probably five years later or
• 38:04
  five years later. And then, yeah.
• 38:07
  And then we've kind of, we've lived a lot of places actually,
• 38:11
  from New York to Chicago to Connecticut to North Carolina.
• 38:15
  I mean, we've actually moved quite a bit.
• 38:19
  We're trying to stay put now in Austin for a while.
• 38:22
  Well, one of the things it was so cool when you guys first
• 38:25
  ditched us on a ball to me at least with how John talked about
• 38:31
  you, like I remember him talking about you as as just, you know,
• 38:35
  this photographic memory and with so much love and so much
• 38:38
  respect. So it's really cool you guys
• 38:41
  work together and really cool you guys found each other that
• 38:45
  that I don't believe in coincidences and that was the
• 38:48
  ultimate non coincidence because what would be the probability
• 38:51
  you'd be in an airport like that and you'd back up to each other
• 38:54
  and bump it to each other. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 38:57
  Well, and then if you look at, you know, just the skill sets
• 39:00
  that she has and embodies and like, you know, we both have the
• 39:03
  the foundational aspect, you know, that's very aligned,
• 39:07
  right. We're very grounded in that.
• 39:09
  But then you look at like what you know, her skill sets are as
• 39:12
  like far as you know, her purpose and that and then kind
• 39:15
  of bringing mine into effect, right?
• 39:17
  And that really kind of combining those two things
• 39:20
  really helps to kind of fill out, you know a bigger picture
• 39:24
  strategic aspect from like how we created Evolve.
• 39:28
  So let's let's dive into evolve. Tell me about it.
• 39:31
  I don't want to try to try to feel the words out of your mouth
• 39:34
  on this one. I I know a lot about it, but but
• 39:37
  the demo that happened in this room literally blew my mind.
• 39:41
  And then Deborah's mind too. Yeah, I think, you know, maybe
• 39:45
  I'll just kind of start with just a, a snippet on, you know,
• 39:48
  what set the foundation for us. And it was, you know, as Warren
• 39:52
  mentioned, kind of getting deep into quantum physics and
• 39:54
  spirituality and we shared that experience together.
• 39:57
  So like we know, we spent, you know, I don't know, at least the
• 40:00
  last 10 years, like that's what we did on our our spare time.
• 40:04
  Like we would read books, we would have these discussions, we
• 40:06
  would talk about those things. And it was so awesome to be able
• 40:09
  to do that, you know, with her, right, versus, you know,
• 40:13
  somebody else that I didn't live with and spend every other
• 40:16
  moment with, right, because we would just do that all the time.
• 40:18
  So it was it was great. And then, you know, but it was
• 40:21
  during the time like when I was, you know, building imagine
• 40:24
  optics and like we were. You know, deep in that phase of
• 40:28
  scaling manufacturing and getting manufacturing equipment
• 40:30
  in and trying to figure that stuff out.
• 40:33
  You know, we also started to kind of look at this, but deeper
• 40:35
  spiritual journey and like really kind of under try to
• 40:38
  understand more of like, you know, the meanings behind things
• 40:42
  or try to connect these dots and everything.
• 40:44
  And it was, you know, really, you know, working with a group
• 40:48
  of people like one weekend in very deep meditative practices
• 40:52
  that kind of allowed this download per SE to come in.
• 40:57
  And it was just kind of like showing me kind of like this
• 41:00
  visual. It was like just a very vivid,
• 41:03
  the real estate thing I've ever experienced of like, you know,
• 41:06
  being guided and shown these different aspects of my life and
• 41:10
  like how they were kind of being compiled to reach the state.
• 41:14
  And and then what these technologies are that are being
• 41:18
  created out there and like how they need to be kind of combined
• 41:21
  to help heal humanity. And so, you know, that was in
• 41:26
  2018, I think. And so kind of bringing that
• 41:30
  forward, you know, you know, I did just kept sitting with it
• 41:34
  and sitting with it and like thinking about it and like
• 41:36
  seeing the visuals of this headset then like how we can
• 41:39
  actually do this. And I was also very, you know,
• 41:41
  immersed in VR and AR at that time and like understanding what
• 41:44
  all the most technical challenges were in like how that
• 41:47
  market was really doing. And like seeing the direction
• 41:51
  that Arkansas and VR were going as far as creating, you know,
• 41:55
  the metaverse and gaming. And, you know, some moderate
• 41:57
  spatial computing at that time early on.
• 42:00
  And then overlaying it with like the quantum physics aspect of
• 42:04
  like understanding that like everything's energy, our biology
• 42:07
  is all driven through electrical and magnetic frequencies, right?
• 42:11
  But and now today, like we can measure all of that stuff,
• 42:14
  right? Like sensors are small enough
• 42:16
  and precise enough and compact enough and cheap enough and
• 42:19
  scalable from a manufacturing standpoint to really be able to
• 42:22
  do that. And then you look at like VR and
• 42:25
  like VR is amazing from the standpoint of being able to
• 42:28
  provide you into a very immersive setting that you don't
• 42:32
  that you can at times lose an understanding of like what's
• 42:36
  real and what's not real. Like it can actually help, you
• 42:39
  know, the subconscious understand like what's going on,
• 42:43
  right. And so like, I think VR has a
• 42:44
  huge important play and like helping humanity kind of get
• 42:47
  back going in the right direction.
• 42:50
  And so, you know, at Evolve, Evolve is really like this
• 42:54
  combination of this ability to read the bioelectromagnetic
• 42:59
  field of the body eventually and provide a very immersive
• 43:02
  experience to help reprogram the subconscious.
• 43:05
  And so, you know, in this state that humanity is in today, you
• 43:09
  know, unfortunately we're in a very dysregulated state, right?
• 43:14
  And I think the dysregulation really stems from kind of three
• 43:18
  primary categories of factors, right?
• 43:20
  I think it's, it's the food that's not really food anymore,
• 43:25
  you know, as genetically modified as it is and like all
• 43:28
  of the sudden stuff. And it's in carbs hole, you
• 43:30
  know? Exactly, Jason's carbs hole
• 43:32
  thing and Lawrence spent a lot of time in that, that space too.
• 43:35
  And and then you have your environment, right.
• 43:38
  I mean our environment like we're surrounded by what like
• 43:40
  86,000 synthetic chemicals on a daily basis, right?
• 43:44
  I mean, just between like all the materials and all the
• 43:46
  textiles and all the stuff that's being made and like that
• 43:49
  getting absorbed into our skin or even our clothes that we're
• 43:51
  wearing. And then you have the third
• 43:53
  piece, which is really spun up just in the last couple decades.
• 43:56
  And that's technology. I mean, you look at like how
• 43:59
  technology has been developed today.
• 44:03
  What is what are its currently use cases?
• 44:06
  And like how it affects us biologically, you know, in our
• 44:10
  Physiology, right. And, you know, I mean, those
• 44:13
  algorithms are made to kind of keep you going and going and
• 44:17
  going. And yeah, it's from one
• 44:18
  standpoint of like education and like being connected, like at a
• 44:21
  virtual level, but it's also creating all these artificial
• 44:25
  states in our brains and like in our bodies that causes this
• 44:28
  dysregulation. And ultimately, like our human
• 44:30
  biology can't keep up and detox all of that fast enough.
• 44:35
  Like we have not evolved fast enough to be able to process the
• 44:39
  GM of food, to be able to deal with the synthetics in our
• 44:42
  environment and to be able to deal with all these kind of
• 44:45
  manipulated chemical imbalances that get created.
• 44:48
  It is a deliberate manipulation and, and it that it, it is
• 44:52
  something I'm addressing and in the book I'm writing, which is,
• 44:56
  which is also called Love Conquer spear, but the subtitles
• 44:59
  Humanity, AI and H abundance Brawl.
• 45:02
  And it, it, it bothers me a lot because it's, you know, Jason
• 45:06
  Carp and I talked about this quite a bit that it's an
• 45:09
  algorithmic manipulation to hijacked our amygdala and is
• 45:15
  really it, it, it is based that way.
• 45:19
  And, and by it, I'm talking about social media, I'm talking
• 45:21
  about the regular media. You know, I'm a big fan of the
• 45:24
  Free Press. So I think the Free Press is
• 45:27
  fundamental to democracy, but I'm not a fan of the algorithms
• 45:31
  that engagement that drives advertising because that
• 45:37
  algorithmically, if you unleash machine learning, it's going to
• 45:42
  goal seek and it's just doing what it's supposed to do
• 45:46
  mathematically. It's not like a it's not like a
• 45:48
  machine learning, it's like a dark force.
• 45:49
  It's just, it just is goal seeking to an outcome, A
• 45:53
  mathematical outcome, and that mathematical outcome is driving
• 45:56
  maximum engagement to drive maximum advertising revenue.
• 46:01
  And you probably know this, but I was, I mean, it's kind of the
• 46:05
  scale of these numbers. Just amazing.
• 46:08
  You know, Meta made $45 billion in cash last quarter and
• 46:14
  Duckerberg was just at the White House for that Big Tech dinner
• 46:17
  and pledged that they're going to spend at least $600 billion
• 46:22
  by 2028 on AI, you know, systems and data centers.
• 46:28
  I mean, one of them the size literally of Manhattan, it's
• 46:32
  just like the scale of the level of spending here is just beyond.
• 46:36
  And you know, one thing that they're doing that I really like
• 46:39
  is Llama is at least open source.
• 46:41
  I think that's a good thing in the world.
• 46:43
  I think it's better for the world if if AI is something that
• 46:46
  becomes widely accessible to humanity as opposed to as
• 46:50
  opposed to just the elite view. You know, an open source is
• 46:54
  there is the gateway for that or the youngest daughter has five
• 46:57
  open source models running on her computer here.
• 47:01
  And it's amazing what you can prompt them and ask them for
• 47:04
  some of it's a little bit shocking because they're open
• 47:06
  source. So they don't have the same
• 47:07
  governors that that these closed source, you know, kind of
• 47:11
  frontier models have, which is a problem.
• 47:13
  But that's that I don't want to diverge too much.
• 47:16
  Yeah, but yeah, the scale here is incredible of what the IT
• 47:21
  kind of feeds. You know, there's that movie
• 47:24
  that I love, that movie called Thank You for Smoking.
• 47:29
  And it's, you know, it's a, it's a, you know, drama about a guy
• 47:33
  that works in the cigarette industry, not a not a piece of
• 47:36
  nonfiction work, but it's based on, you know, real life.
• 47:41
  And he works in the cigarette industry and he's like
• 47:44
  rationalizing it with someone. He's like, look, hey,
• 47:46
  everybody's going to pay their mortgage.
• 47:48
  And that's like his whole basis, like or his life.
• 47:52
  And I'm sure there's a lot of people out there are watching
• 47:55
  this that feel like that. And I understand like, you know,
• 47:58
  scarcity will breed a trade off and you've got to have food,
• 48:02
  water, shelter, etcetera. But this algorithmic
• 48:07
  manipulation is a real problem because it really, you can
• 48:10
  really get whipsawed. And part of what you realize if
• 48:13
  you go on a spiritual journey is that part of part of becoming
• 48:19
  more spiritual means that you're deep programming for yourself.
• 48:22
  Like if you're just constantly programmed by dystopian,
• 48:26
  dystopian social media, etcetera, just being pushed you
• 48:29
  just this onslaught, then you can get extremely stressed.
• 48:34
  You. Could walk around extremely
• 48:37
  distrustful at society and think that we live in a hell day
• 48:41
  versus the fact that in 8.2 the world of 8.2 billion people,
• 48:46
  it's largely a beautiful reality and there's acts of love and
• 48:49
  beauty happening every day. You know, yeah, there was a
• 48:52
  murder happening every day and with 8.2 billion people.
• 48:56
  But and and that's horrible, right?
• 48:58
  There's no, no excuse for that. But ultimately, the vast
• 49:04
  majority of humanity is beautiful and news by definition
• 49:07
  is an exception. So it's, you know, we got to got
• 49:11
  to wake up and evolve as part of the way of waking up and.
• 49:15
  And where I was going to say we're really trying to tackle
• 49:17
  like so many of those challenges we just talked about, right?
• 49:19
  So we have this VR biosensing headset, right, the headset
• 49:22
  itself and it's essentially reading your Physiology.
• 49:25
  And so has a multitude of sensors from EEG to EDA to IMU,
• 49:31
  eye tracking, capturing a lot of data within one session.
• 49:35
  And I can let John maybe talk a little bit more about the, the
• 49:38
  technology and the hardware. It's really and I passion and
• 49:41
  baby. Like for anybody watching this,
• 49:42
  like it, actually experiencing it and going into that deep
• 49:49
  meditative state, it's so cool. I mean, it's really, it really
• 49:54
  is like a window into the future of how little we actually
• 50:00
  understand about the brain today and how much better society
• 50:06
  would be if everybody could get into that state of understanding
• 50:10
  the oneness of the beauty of all things and the beautiful reality
• 50:14
  we live in. And.
• 50:17
  That's it would. Just be amazing.
• 50:18
  And that's really our goal is to open up an opportunity to like
• 50:21
  train all the things that we're talking about, I think to
• 50:24
  mitigate a lot of the challenges that we're facing.
• 50:26
  And so one of the simplest ways that we talk about it from a
• 50:28
  training perspective is we're really tackling the three as
• 50:31
  which is arousal. So that's that safety and
• 50:33
  security right within my body, tackling a lot of things around
• 50:36
  scarcity in the programming. It's attention.
• 50:39
  So where we place our attention is where we create our reality.
• 50:43
  And, and just like you're talking about, like with the
• 50:45
  perceptions around the, the point of view that we're seeing
• 50:48
  the world, right? Are we headed to dystopia?
• 50:49
  Are we headed to heaven on earth, right.
• 50:51
  And so our attention and focus, is it on the news or is it on
• 50:55
  right, you know, creating abundance in our lives.
• 50:59
  And so how do we actually focus then one of the very interesting
• 51:02
  things and stats just related to technology is just our attention
• 51:06
  span just continues to drop significantly, particularly in
• 51:09
  kids. And so attention is a big part
• 51:11
  of it. Where are we placing our focus?
• 51:14
  And then the second piece is awareness.
• 51:16
  And so unless you have awareness, it's impossible to
• 51:20
  shift your programming and behavior, right?
• 51:22
  And so not only awareness from, you know, am I consciously aware
• 51:27
  of what's happening and not operating from unconscious
• 51:29
  programs, but then also awareness and how can I access
• 51:32
  these higher states, You know what as well?
• 51:35
  Into Awareness by Anthony D'mello.
• 51:37
  I have it. I actually found a book you
• 51:39
  haven't read. This is amazing.
• 51:41
  This movie's first Joe. Yeah, I haven't heard that
• 51:43
  before. Yeah, yeah, this one was
• 51:46
  recommended to me by Tarot, who is the founder of Four Sigmatic,
• 51:52
  but he lives here in. Austin.
• 51:54
  I'm like a big fan. I use 4 Sigmatic products and
• 51:58
  all my smoothie. I don't have any advertising or
• 52:00
  sponsors on this podcast. It's just me.
• 52:02
  Be authentic. But it is it's a great product.
• 52:07
  But I he, he went on his own soul quest and read over 130
• 52:12
  books and he said that was his favorite really.
• 52:15
  And the fun thing about it is on Audible, Anthony de Mello is
• 52:19
  like the George Carlin of spiritual teachers.
• 52:22
  They're like laughing out loud while like you're really
• 52:25
  learning. But the whole thing is about
• 52:26
  waking up and creating awareness.
• 52:29
  And that if you have full awareness, then even if you're
• 52:33
  suffering from anything, a past trauma or anything else, if you
• 52:37
  have full awareness of why, then it will go away that you
• 52:42
  actually have to do the D fork to actually understand the
• 52:45
  source of the trauma. Yeah.
• 52:47
  Yeah, Yeah. I think on to to that.
• 52:49
  I mean doing the work, that's what we all eventually
• 52:52
  understand that we need to do, yes.
• 52:54
  And then what we end up doing is we rationalize with ourselves,
• 52:58
  right, Because we can negotiate anything with ourselves.
• 53:01
  We rationalize with ourselves the value of our time to do that
• 53:04
  work. And then we associate, you know,
• 53:07
  OK, well, how much time is it going to take me in order to do
• 53:10
  this work? And like, what kind of outcome
• 53:11
  am I going to get and like, what kind of milestones and all these
• 53:14
  other things? And I think that's where a lot
• 53:16
  of people tend to get lost. And then like in doing the work
• 53:18
  because they get discouraged. They don't know if they're
• 53:20
  making progress. They don't know if they're doing
• 53:23
  it right. You know, there's no playbook,
• 53:26
  right? Because we're all individual and
• 53:27
  we're all different. And I think that's, you know,
• 53:30
  part of what we're trying to solve for at Evolve is that
• 53:35
  because everybody's different, like we can't just do, you know,
• 53:39
  we, we, we have a hard time justifying spending a lot of
• 53:42
  time doing meditations, like every day, right?
• 53:45
  And we don't know which meditation to do and like all
• 53:47
  that stuff. And, and so we want to be able
• 53:51
  to help guide the individual right through our headset,
• 53:55
  right, because we can read what's going on internally.
• 53:58
  So we know exactly where everything's at.
• 54:00
  So if you kind of think about like how noise cancelling
• 54:03
  headphones were like for a very simplistic example, right, you
• 54:06
  know, they take an external frequency and they create an
• 54:09
  isolation barrier to stop that frequency from going into the
• 54:12
  headphones further. So then you can hear your sound
• 54:14
  really good. Like we're kind of doing the
• 54:17
  opposite of that. We're taking the internal
• 54:19
  frequency, we're understanding what it means, and then we're
• 54:23
  providing in other auditory or visual frequency to help guide
• 54:27
  the body into a natural state of alignment and to help do the
• 54:31
  brain shifting, help train that individual to get out of the
• 54:35
  high beta, which is where they live in their fight or flight
• 54:37
  and go, go, go. And we tend to always be stuck
• 54:40
  there. And when you're just stuck in a
• 54:41
  dominant brain wave state, you're only producing chemicals
• 54:44
  associated with that brain wave state.
• 54:46
  So then it becomes this compounding effect on the rest
• 54:49
  of the body. Then everything else is saying,
• 54:50
  OK, I got to be ready to go. I'm going to be ready to do this
• 54:53
  and like always, always on. And I can't turn it off and shut
• 54:56
  it off. And so, but what we're able to
• 54:59
  do is to kind of help guide that individual and train them like a
• 55:03
  personal trainer would to get out of the beta, high beta and
• 55:07
  into alpha and into Theta, right?
• 55:08
  So then they produce chemicals associated with that, but then
• 55:10
  they can also reach different states of meditation in
• 55:14
  practice, right? Because it kind of condenses we
• 55:17
  talk about, you know, we joke about collapsing time, like how
• 55:20
  can we help collapse time for individuals?
• 55:23
  Well, if we created the most perfect program that's fully
• 55:27
  optimized to meet you, Brett, like right where you are at this
• 55:30
  moment in time, like that would help collapse time for you,
• 55:33
  right? Because every moment like we're
• 55:36
  like our bodies are these super microorganism constantly
• 55:39
  changing. And so like, how do you create a
• 55:41
  protocol or a program for somebody to make change based on
• 55:45
  the past? Cuz it's always based on the
• 55:47
  past unless you're doing it in real time.
• 55:49
  And so like everything that we're doing in our headset is
• 55:51
  all in real time, right? So we collect a million points
• 55:55
  of biometric data on you every minute across all eight of these
• 55:59
  sensors, right? We're reading the brain, the
• 56:01
  heart, the nervous system, your eyes, all of this stuff.
• 56:04
  And then our AI engine understands and interprets what
• 56:08
  those data points mean. And then once we have that
• 56:10
  understanding of what that means, it gets then sent into
• 56:13
  the machine learning algorithm that then allows it to adjust
• 56:17
  the protocol to optimize it for you to then meet you where you
• 56:22
  are. And then it's this closed loop
• 56:24
  session of it. It's this, it's constantly
• 56:26
  learning on itself. And it's this this flywheel.
• 56:30
  And I think, you know, one other point to just kind of that was
• 56:34
  like this aha moment for for us back, you know, several years
• 56:39
  ago before we created Evolve was, you know, we talked about
• 56:43
  this desire for us to really want to focus more on human
• 56:47
  centered technology. And I think that's where there's
• 56:51
  this differentiator between kind of how some technologies being
• 56:55
  developed and how it's being used and how it's being
• 56:57
  monetized and how it's being directed.
• 57:00
  And then we have this other approach that we're really
• 57:02
  trying to focus on. And that's like, well, how do
• 57:04
  we, we have, I don't know where my phone's at, but we have these
• 57:06
  super computers in our pockets, right?
• 57:08
  Right. Like it's wild, like how much
• 57:10
  wild I can do right there, right?
• 57:13
  Like my God, like mind blowing to think about, right?
• 57:17
  But at the same time, humanity on this hand has never been
• 57:20
  sicker. Like how is that possible?
• 57:22
  They feel like what's going. On.
• 57:25
  Like, why, why can't we bring those two together?
• 57:27
  And so like, that's what we're really focused on.
• 57:30
  Like this humanitarian push. Like we don't want to do it
• 57:33
  alone. Like we want to find other
• 57:35
  companies. And like, part of this journey
• 57:36
  has been amazing because we've been able to find other
• 57:39
  entrepreneurs who are doing a similar thing, you know, are
• 57:42
  doing their piece to that puzzle.
• 57:44
  And like, we're working together, like I'm sharing
• 57:46
  supply chain, you know, connections with them, or I'm
• 57:48
  giving them advice on this and they're giving me advice on
• 57:51
  that, right? And like, we're really trying to
• 57:53
  work together so that we can collectively, like, help help
• 57:56
  humanity and elevate consciousness.
• 57:58
  Yeah, Yeah, that's so cool. Yeah.
• 58:01
  One of the one of the people that I was very proud to
• 58:03
  introduce you guys to is Doctor Ellen Linger.
• 58:05
  Yeah, other of mindfulness and I just had such a great connection
• 58:11
  with her when I spoke at that gathering at MIT.
• 58:14
  It was a gathering of 50 CE OS and she and I just we had that
• 58:19
  that soul level connection. Yeah, yeah, hopefully, hopefully
• 58:22
  something comes out of that. But but but I knew that you guys
• 58:25
  should be for sure. So in terms of I don't know how
• 58:30
  much you want to explain this for the product, because I know
• 58:34
  that, you know, still kind of stealth etcetera.
• 58:37
  But do you want to explain like exactly what people see visually
• 58:41
  and and kind of how it works or do you not want to?
• 58:45
  Yeah, we can talk a little bit about.
• 58:47
  Because I'm kind of like biting my tongue cuz I wanna talk about
• 58:51
  that. Yeah.
• 58:51
  But really, you guys talk about that.
• 58:54
  But just the actual process of going through the demo is like
• 58:57
  very new to me. And I know Mark Gober felt that
• 59:00
  way and Deborah felt that way. So I think it'd be cool for
• 59:03
  people to hear about it. Yeah, absolutely.
• 59:05
  So you know, one of the main things obviously as we, you
• 59:08
  know, went went through is what a very technical and very
• 59:12
  complicated process to just build the headset, right, to be
• 59:15
  able to fit everything on the same board, to be able to have
• 59:17
  all the sensors working and really just tackle a lot of the
• 59:20
  challenges that are in the industry just around single
• 59:22
  quality. Because ultimately we knew
• 59:24
  before we even got to put in creating these beautiful scenes
• 59:27
  in VR, which we've gotten to and having everything kind of work
• 59:30
  together, everything really relies on how accurate is the
• 59:33
  data and the quality of signal. So that was really just a huge
• 59:36
  part of our initial journey. And so when you think about kind
• 59:40
  of the process that what's happening within the headset on
• 59:42
  the back end is essentially we have all these sensors, they're
• 59:45
  capturing the signal. The signal is then, you know,
• 59:47
  translated into a metric. So something like, you know,
• 59:50
  we're have a PPG sensor that, you know, now we're capturing
• 59:54
  heart rate and then heart rate becomes a specific metric.
• 59:56
  PPG stands for what? Photocephalomy so I'm always in
• 1:00:01
  the worst I'm. Did you say I'm saying no, I'm
• 1:00:04
  actually no better off like I. Probably shouldn't.
• 1:00:06
  It's probably like it's like 32 letters or.
• 1:00:08
  Something right, right, Right. That's the longest word ever,
• 1:00:10
  right? Right, so the PPG.
• 1:00:12
  But the point is, you have lots of sensors.
• 1:00:14
  Lots of sensors and that sensor captures heart rate, which then
• 1:00:17
  is translated into a metric and then we use that metric to
• 1:00:20
  actually drive the scene, right? And so it's kind of this process
• 1:00:23
  of sensor to signal to metric. So now we're driving real time
• 1:00:27
  biofeedback. And so the real innovation that
• 1:00:29
  we've done that no one else really has is like, yes,
• 1:00:32
  biofeedback exists in the absence of I can capture my
• 1:00:35
  heart rate and I can see it's X or I could see my coherence
• 1:00:37
  score. You know, it is a particular
• 1:00:40
  number and I can see that kind of live in the session, but
• 1:00:42
  it's, it's just a reflection, it's a number.
• 1:00:45
  And So what we've really done and kind of innovation we
• 1:00:47
  created is to say, OK, we're capturing this data now.
• 1:00:50
  We have a metric and we've used HRV coherence, which is just a
• 1:00:54
  algorithm that we've developed. It's currently proprietary, but
• 1:00:57
  it'll be hopefully over time we'll be able to go open source
• 1:00:59
  with it as well. And HRV and this means what?
• 1:01:02
  Heart rate variability, yeah. And so heart rate variability,
• 1:01:05
  so it's. Just I thought I knew that, but
• 1:01:06
  I wanted the audience to. Get that?
• 1:01:08
  Yeah, absolutely. And everyone's familiar from HRV
• 1:01:10
  with the Aura rain and the wolf and all the other kind of
• 1:01:13
  consumer technology out there. But essentially coherence, which
• 1:01:16
  was a lot of that work was pioneered by Heart math, is a
• 1:01:19
  really strong metric for looking at autonomic nervous system
• 1:01:22
  regulation, how stressed someone is, their emotional well-being.
• 1:01:26
  It's just kind of this really strong kind of macro measure to
• 1:01:29
  show like if someone is in the a regulated nervous system state.
• 1:01:33
  And so essentially what happens is we're capturing that metric
• 1:01:36
  for the individual. And then in VR, you're
• 1:01:39
  essentially in a scene and all of our scenes are in nature and
• 1:01:43
  a lot of them are actually at cool, very cool, kind of ancient
• 1:01:46
  mystical site, you know, around the world.
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  And the one that you particularly demoed is a scene
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  that is from the Isle of Skye in Scotland.
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  It's actually called Fairy Glen. And it's this kind of beautiful
• 1:01:58
  landscape with mountains. And in the middle is actually a
• 1:02:01
  labyrinth that's been created with rocks.
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  And So what happens is while you're in the scene, the rocks
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  essentially gently lift up from the ground as your coherent
• 1:02:11
  score increases. And So what the visual
• 1:02:13
  environment is essentially doing is it's giving you feedback in
• 1:02:15
  real time as to how your Physiology is performing, right?
• 1:02:21
  And not in a performing as in you know this is right or this
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  is bad, or you know, there's any direction.
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  It's just giving you feedback as to whether or not your coherent
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  score is increasing or it's going down.
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  I can tell you that it did not at all.
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  Like there wasn't like a level of stress.
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  Yeah, it's very subtle. Scores like really?
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  Yeah, it's very subtle and it's all based a lot actually on the
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  principles that you know have been used in our feedback.
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  And just and lots of other biofeedback training kind of
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  over time, which is an operate conditioning and essentially an
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  operate conditioning is that I am seeing a feedback, I'm
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  learning yes or no. And then my body says, OK, this
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  is the state I want to continue and continue and continue.
• 1:03:00
  And you train that enough over time, neuroplasticity, and you
• 1:03:03
  know, that becomes the new default state, right?
• 1:03:06
  And so in the real time, this metric is actually guiding you
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  and essentially training you. And the visuals are training you
• 1:03:13
  into this is the new, you know, state that's going to be more
• 1:03:18
  optimal for my body and whether I'm giving an example with, you
• 1:03:21
  know, HRV and heart rate and coherence, but whether that's
• 1:03:24
  having more focus, whether, you know, that's going into deeper
• 1:03:27
  meditative States and guiding people there.
• 1:03:29
  We actually do a lot with eyes closed as well to be able to
• 1:03:32
  access deeper meditative state. And so the the other kind of
• 1:03:36
  piece John was talking about too, there is just the level of
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  personalization because everyone is just so different where your
• 1:03:42
  HRV is going to be completely different than someone else's.
• 1:03:45
  And so the other kind of big thing that we really wanted to
• 1:03:47
  innovate on and change is just everything else out there is
• 1:03:50
  really cookie cutter programs. And so yes, it could adapt to
• 1:03:54
  the session in real time, but then your trajectory is going to
• 1:03:56
  be completely different than someone else, right?
• 1:03:58
  If your goal is to kind of get the more regulated optimal HRV
• 1:04:02
  for you, that could be 10 sessions.
• 1:04:03
  For someone else, it could be 50, right?
• 1:04:06
  And it's just taking someone on that trajectory at the right
• 1:04:08
  pace and so they can really embody that new state.
• 1:04:11
  Yeah, yeah. And I think.
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  Maybe just to add one other thing to that, I think, you
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  know, one of the most I've done hundreds of these demos with
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  people and, and seeing how people light up in different
• 1:04:22
  certain ways. And like one of the, you know, a
• 1:04:24
  few of the underlying things that they all collectively share
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  with me is, you know, one, they feel like they just love looking
• 1:04:31
  at their data, right? They love looking at the brain
• 1:04:34
  wave data and their heart rate data and their nervous system
• 1:04:36
  data and like all of this stuff because it creates this felt
• 1:04:40
  experience that brings them back into their body Because we are
• 1:04:44
  tend to living out here and like go, go, go and kind of outside
• 1:04:47
  of our body and more of an analytical way.
• 1:04:50
  Then this kind of regrounds them with their body and then now
• 1:04:54
  they have this, OK, wow, my body is capable of changing these
• 1:04:58
  things and doing these things. Then you create what's called
• 1:05:01
  like a felt experience. Like a felt experience is really
• 1:05:04
  profound in order to help make change, right?
• 1:05:06
  It's like awareness felt experience and making the change
• 1:05:09
  and like reiterating. And the other piece that is
• 1:05:14
  really profound for people is being able to see like a
• 1:05:17
  measurable state chain, right? So they're like, OK, I did this
• 1:05:21
  meditation with the headset and it shows you like, OK, you
• 1:05:25
  started here at this baseline and then you end it here.
• 1:05:29
  And so we showed that there's a physiological change that took
• 1:05:32
  place in 5 minutes that got you from here to here.
• 1:05:35
  And people are just like, oh, wow.
• 1:05:37
  So I was doing that meditation, right?
• 1:05:39
  Or I was that time was worth it that I spent doing it because I
• 1:05:44
  now have a scientific way to validate that.
• 1:05:46
  OK, I, I, that was worth my time, you know, because I said
• 1:05:50
  this change and I also have a felt experience change, right?
• 1:05:53
  So it's kind of twofold, right? So it's like I have it on paper
• 1:05:57
  in scientific way that people tend to gravitate more towards,
• 1:06:00
  right? Like, I want to see the
• 1:06:00
  research, I want to see the support and the the evidence.
• 1:06:03
  And then I also have this kind of felt experience.
• 1:06:05
  Yeah. And then I think the third one
• 1:06:08
  is really like on top of the felt experience, like so many
• 1:06:13
  people, like it's wild. So many people like immediately
• 1:06:16
  like kind of want to take a nap or they start yawning profusely
• 1:06:20
  right during session, right? And it's because when we're
• 1:06:23
  balancing your nervous system and taking it out of fight or
• 1:06:26
  flight, though, your autonomic nervous system comprises of two
• 1:06:29
  parts. The sympathetic nervous system,
• 1:06:30
  which is kind of stress, fight or flight, go, go, go, and your
• 1:06:33
  parasympathetic, which is more of like peace and restoration
• 1:06:37
  and recovery, right? And like, you want them to be
• 1:06:39
  balanced and you need them to be up and down for different times
• 1:06:42
  in order to do different things, but you don't always want them
• 1:06:45
  to be like, you know, stuck in one position.
• 1:06:48
  That's right. And so when we're able to kind
• 1:06:50
  of shift that and balance that, the parasympathetic just takes
• 1:06:55
  over. And that person just starts
• 1:06:57
  yawning and yawning and, like, wants to take a nap.
• 1:06:59
  And I've had several people take naps, like, right away, like in
• 1:07:02
  the middle of the afternoon. And they'd be like, I've never
• 1:07:05
  taken a nap at 4:30 in the afternoon before in 30 years.
• 1:07:08
  And what did you do? Like, what happened?
• 1:07:10
  Like, why did I have such a response?
• 1:07:12
  And I'm just like, Oh, well, you've lived in this state 30
• 1:07:16
  years and your body's taking over and say, man, you got to
• 1:07:19
  just calm down. Like let's relax for a little
• 1:07:21
  bit. Let me do my job.
• 1:07:22
  Because our bodies hands down are the most advanced technology
• 1:07:27
  ever created. Like it's amazing what your body
• 1:07:30
  is capable of doing. But when we live in these
• 1:07:32
  dysregulated states all the time, then it's not capable to
• 1:07:36
  function in the way that it was built to do.
• 1:07:39
  And that's where we're seeing all the mental health and
• 1:07:41
  chronic diseases and all the stuff that's kind of transpiring
• 1:07:43
  out because it it's not able to do what it needs to do.
• 1:07:47
  I mean, in, in terms of like, it's so it's so, so cool.
• 1:07:51
  And I remember John Mackey too, was blown away with it and the
• 1:07:54
  founder of Whole Foods. In, in, in terms of like your
• 1:08:00
  understanding of spirituality and like going back and in time
• 1:08:05
  and, and seeing the synchronicity between all the
• 1:08:08
  ancient spiritual tradition and how much we all have in common
• 1:08:12
  versus the man. Yeah, stuff like do you think
• 1:08:15
  that, you know, thousands of years ago, maybe even or 5000
• 1:08:20
  years ago, like we're so much more advanced out in this way of
• 1:08:24
  our body? Definitely.
• 1:08:25
  I'm using the technology that we're born with that we, you
• 1:08:29
  know, have, have have been given from, you know, the universe,
• 1:08:33
  God, you know, consciousness, whatever, whatever you want to
• 1:08:35
  call it. Again, I think that's
• 1:08:38
  fascinating. I mean, I mean, there's so many
• 1:08:39
  things that I was talking with one friend and and he he, you
• 1:08:46
  know, was at on the Savannah and there's this African tribe and
• 1:08:51
  they're all in the circle and they're able to actually conjure
• 1:08:54
  up and heal themselves with, with, with, with no medicines or
• 1:08:58
  anything, just like working together.
• 1:09:01
  And it's just, I think that's just fascinating.
• 1:09:04
  Like what power we have that we're not unlocking because
• 1:09:09
  again, in this kind of constant manipulation machine that we
• 1:09:13
  find ourselves in, which is, you know, I'm, I'm a huge, huge fan
• 1:09:17
  of capitalism. I mean, to be clear, I mean,
• 1:09:18
  capitalism lifted a ton of people out of starvation and
• 1:09:21
  poverty. It's it's one of the greatest
• 1:09:24
  things humanity's ever invented. Yeah.
• 1:09:26
  It's like we've we have to be humble enough to rediscover the
• 1:09:30
  things that quite literally, I think we beat out of people
• 1:09:35
  early on in terms of their examples of the church, you
• 1:09:39
  know, early on, like literally saying that's how Boo.
• 1:09:43
  You know, there's examples of people early on, you know,
• 1:09:48
  coming to, you know, this country, other countries and,
• 1:09:52
  you know, really trying to call the other a savage without
• 1:09:58
  honoring like the fact that they actually knew more about how to
• 1:10:01
  regulate their body then, you know, the Anglo-Saxon did, which
• 1:10:06
  is just kind of incredible to think about.
• 1:10:09
  So it's like you guys are rediscovering something that's
• 1:10:11
  been around. But you're the cool thing about
• 1:10:14
  it is you're compressing time and and, you know, collapsing
• 1:10:17
  time and allowing it to use the modern technology to give people
• 1:10:22
  there faster, which is awesome. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know,
• 1:10:25
  I kind of look at it like, you know, we're we're we're building
• 1:10:28
  a bridge between science and mysticism, right?
• 1:10:31
  To help kind of remove the dogmatic meters from the
• 1:10:35
  mysticism. Yep.
• 1:10:36
  Right. Because like, you know,
• 1:10:38
  breathwork was the is the most ancient, rawest form of any
• 1:10:41
  psychedelic, right? Like you can put yourself into a
• 1:10:44
  psychedelic trance like, but just by doing breath work.
• 1:10:46
  That's all right, Like no medicines, No, no anything.
• 1:10:49
  I mean, it's amazing, but all of it's been, you know, somehow
• 1:10:54
  forgot, right? And we're not passed on like it
• 1:10:58
  should have been, right. And so I think and then the way
• 1:11:01
  that especially we live here in the Western world of wanting
• 1:11:04
  data, wanting validation, wanting proof, all of this
• 1:11:07
  stuff, I think it provides us like it puts us in a unique
• 1:11:11
  position to be able to provide that, right?
• 1:11:13
  Because, you know, we can collect all of that at a medical
• 1:11:17
  grade science, you know, clinical grade level, like with
• 1:11:20
  these sensors. And now we can do it from like
• 1:11:22
  in the comfort of your own home, right?
• 1:11:24
  Without having a PhD in neuroscience.
• 1:11:26
  You literally just put it on and it worked and you see the
• 1:11:30
  results and it's amazing. Felt the results I mean, I, I,
• 1:11:34
  you know, I, I, I do meditate, but I felt the results pretty
• 1:11:38
  quickly and Dever did too, you know, and, and, and you feel it
• 1:11:43
  like while you're going into it, I mean, the voice, the voice
• 1:11:45
  speaking to you is very suiting and, you know, you're seeing the
• 1:11:49
  rocks and that beautiful Glenn Yeah And you literally feel your
• 1:11:53
  body change and you know, like you said, for some people it
• 1:11:57
  makes them fall asleep. I for me, it just made me feel
• 1:12:00
  completely relaxed and in the zone and just ready to take on
• 1:12:06
  the day with more heart, with a more heart forward.
• 1:12:10
  Yeah. And I was going to say to your
• 1:12:11
  point around all these, you know, ancient practices and
• 1:12:14
  things like that is what we've really done.
• 1:12:16
  It's subtle because you're going into the experience and you're
• 1:12:18
  deep and it's immersive, right? So you're not knowing and seeing
• 1:12:21
  maybe all the nuances that are essentially incorporated in the
• 1:12:23
  experience. I mean, that's essentially what
• 1:12:25
  we've done is we've taken all these ancient practices and
• 1:12:28
  lineages and all the things we know that help us to get into
• 1:12:32
  these states. And so nature is one of them.
• 1:12:34
  Like, and if you if you kind of look at like everything is
• 1:12:37
  essentially included in each of the programs, each of them has a
• 1:12:40
  deep body of research within themselves.
• 1:12:42
  And then not only do we have kind of the multimodal
• 1:12:44
  centerpiece, but then we're creating this like multimodal
• 1:12:46
  behavioral intervention, right? In a way of like just going in
• 1:12:51
  VR and being in nature shows significant effect.
• 1:12:54
  Just being in, you know, this like soothing scene, right?
• 1:12:58
  That's like giving us this level of, you know, remembrance, the
• 1:13:01
  audio, like all of it together, right?
• 1:13:03
  Just kind of creates this experience.
• 1:13:05
  And we talk all the time about, you know, how what we're really
• 1:13:08
  doing, you know, over time and at a ground level is creating a
• 1:13:11
  modern initiatic path, right? In a way of like, how do I start
• 1:13:16
  walking into learning these different skills?
• 1:13:18
  And it just starts so simply with the breath, then eventually
• 1:13:21
  can walk up into accessing, you know, higher states of
• 1:13:24
  consciousness similar to one would do, you know, in
• 1:13:26
  psychedelics. And it's like, what does that
• 1:13:28
  path look like? And how do I walk there?
• 1:13:31
  And how can we use technology to help enable someone to walk it,
• 1:13:35
  you know, more easily? And one of my hopes is that, and
• 1:13:39
  I think we're going to get there.
• 1:13:40
  By the way, though, I, I, I'll say that this hope I think will
• 1:13:44
  become a reality is that, yeah, let's take, let's take ibogaine
• 1:13:49
  for example, which I do not feel called to do right.
• 1:13:52
  I haven't had that kind of suffering in my life where I
• 1:13:54
  would where I would need to do that.
• 1:13:57
  But treating it is so taboo, refuses to understand how it
• 1:14:05
  work. Like, how does it work?
• 1:14:07
  Like, like, why did? Why was there a plan that
• 1:14:11
  evolved where it's literally like a reset button for the
• 1:14:14
  brain? And, you know, at that, at that
• 1:14:16
  talk at at at Ted, You know, where's the head of Stanford's
• 1:14:20
  Brain Research Center? You know, he said that through
• 1:14:25
  the studies. And I'm not sure you're going to
• 1:14:27
  know this much better than me, but it's either the Gray matter
• 1:14:30
  or the white matter around the brain.
• 1:14:32
  But the one dose for these beds, they actually de age their brain
• 1:14:37
  by up to five years and you can measure the actual matter around
• 1:14:41
  the brain. Is it Gray or white matter?
• 1:14:43
  For in that study. For the brain, no.
• 1:14:45
  But what is the matter around their brain that they measure to
• 1:14:48
  see the age of? The Gray matter.
• 1:14:50
  Gray matter yeah, so they so they would actually re grew that
• 1:14:55
  to the point where their brain de aged by up to five years.
• 1:14:59
  Well, The Who watching this would not want their brain to
• 1:15:03
  the age now that they would they'd be like, well, I really
• 1:15:05
  want to take something like ibogaine to do it.
• 1:15:09
  But how does it work? Like like, you know, once we
• 1:15:14
  decode how these things work, then it's possible that evolve
• 1:15:19
  other technologies like it will give you those benefits without
• 1:15:24
  the use of any medicines. And and and it's not like I'm
• 1:15:28
  anti psychedelics. I'm very pro psychedelics, but
• 1:15:31
  but because of the technology that it provides, it is
• 1:15:34
  technology and everything at the end of the day is technology
• 1:15:37
  because everything, like you said, is energy.
• 1:15:39
  I mean, our souls are technology, right?
• 1:15:42
  They're they're they're energy. You know, we're ultimately light
• 1:15:44
  being core, you know, and we're having a a physical experience,
• 1:15:50
  you know, even though we're spiritual beings in the earth
• 1:15:53
  school. And and so like if we if if we
• 1:15:56
  just didn't treat these things as taboo.
• 1:15:59
  You know, Copernicus was a heretic at the time and the
• 1:16:05
  clergy at the time refused to look through his telescope like
• 1:16:08
  they they really ostracized him because he dare challenge that.
• 1:16:14
  The earth. Was the center of the universe.
• 1:16:17
  He's like no, actually there's a vast universe.
• 1:16:19
  And, and so far from what we know, it's just infinite.
• 1:16:23
  Like maybe there is an edge. I would certainly like to know
• 1:16:25
  if there's an edge, like let's conquer faster and lightspeed
• 1:16:28
  travel, try to find out if there's a border somewhere.
• 1:16:32
  But you know, that's my, that's what I think is going to happen.
• 1:16:36
  I mean, the science fiction series that I wrote, you know,
• 1:16:41
  called The Lattice is really exploring how it happens.
• 1:16:45
  And a lot of the things it was, it was actually inspired by you
• 1:16:48
  guys. And frankly, I'll be honest with
• 1:16:51
  you, it was inspired by a journey that I had a while back
• 1:16:55
  where in that journey, part of what I saw that would help bring
• 1:17:00
  humanity back together is if you used a brain to computer
• 1:17:05
  interface and put it on the Dalai Lama, deep meditators,
• 1:17:12
  psychonauts, you know, people that are having, you know, near
• 1:17:16
  death experience, etcetera. And then you uploaded all of
• 1:17:20
  that data to create an accurate picture of source or heaven or
• 1:17:24
  the astral plane or the river of consciousness or whatever you
• 1:17:26
  want to call it. And Doctor Alexander Bliss,
• 1:17:29
  who's the protagonist in the story, he then he does this, he
• 1:17:34
  has this crazy idea. People think he's just nuts to
• 1:17:37
  do this to, to record all this data on all these people, but he
• 1:17:41
  looks for the commonality, which there's a lot of commonality.
• 1:17:44
  That's where the Alanis has discovered and ultimately
• 1:17:47
  premieres it at this Telluride Film Festival.
• 1:17:50
  It's called the Mountain Film Festival.
• 1:17:51
  It's a real festival. I'm going to it next year where
• 1:17:54
  documentaries are aired. One of my very good friends
• 1:17:57
  who's going to be on this podcast, Michael Collins, is on
• 1:18:00
  their board and he's the documentary film maker.
• 1:18:03
  He's making an amazing, amazing documentary right now called
• 1:18:07
  Intuition, which are these schools in India where they can
• 1:18:10
  teach these children, yes, actually how to navigate source,
• 1:18:14
  which is no medicine, nothing, just teach them like again, our
• 1:18:19
  God-given, you know, right, being born in these bodies and
• 1:18:22
  you have this technology. Raja Yoga I think is what they
• 1:18:26
  teach. Yeah, it's amazing.
• 1:18:27
  And and and so so the the documentary that's premiered in
• 1:18:32
  Telluride in this fiction story is so profound to everybody that
• 1:18:37
  it wakes humanity up collectively and they're like,
• 1:18:40
  oh, wow, like this is our reality.
• 1:18:43
  Because it's the same for the Dalai Lama, for deep meditators,
• 1:18:47
  for psychoanostic, etcetera. That the same thing the shown in
• 1:18:50
  terms of the pattern and and and I really do believe science and
• 1:18:55
  spirituality need to come back together and you got to serve an
• 1:18:59
  actual bridge to that and meditation these there's a lot
• 1:19:03
  of this on the rise because I do think that there is a
• 1:19:05
  consciousness awakening underway.
• 1:19:08
  Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I think that's, you know,
• 1:19:12
  would be hard to to say it's not right.
• 1:19:15
  I mean, I think with, you know, how many different meditation
• 1:19:18
  programs are coming out there today, like, you know, humanity
• 1:19:21
  is waking up and they're looking for alternative ways to stop
• 1:19:25
  feeling the way that they currently feel.
• 1:19:27
  And you know, that's part of like what good things like
• 1:19:30
  social media has brought, right? It's brought like this ability
• 1:19:34
  for them to learn and for for for us to find alternative
• 1:19:38
  sources instead of just taking pills or medications or whatever
• 1:19:42
  it is. And now there's a place in time
• 1:19:44
  for all of that. I'm not saying there's not, but
• 1:19:46
  I think that more of humanity is waking up to looking for non
• 1:19:51
  invasive, non pharmaceutical ways to feel better, right?
• 1:19:55
  And I think part of it is this innate knowing that we've all
• 1:20:00
  that people are starting to remember that their bodies are
• 1:20:03
  capable and their minds are capable of producing these
• 1:20:08
  things. I mean, we have a.
• 1:20:09
  You know, a cellular pharmacy inside of us, right?
• 1:20:12
  I mean, we can produce any, any, any chemical that we've ever
• 1:20:17
  wanted, right? I mean, if somebody gets in a
• 1:20:18
  car accident, I mean they're producing all sorts of stuff for
• 1:20:21
  pain, right? So then that person can stay,
• 1:20:23
  you know, your cognitive like so, so they can manage whatever
• 1:20:26
  they need to be able to do. And so I mean, it's it's and
• 1:20:29
  it's been studied in multiple. Like Doctor Joe Dispenza does a
• 1:20:32
  lot of work on that too. That's true, you know, and I
• 1:20:36
  know. You're a fan of Yeah, you're
• 1:20:37
  both fans. Yeah, I'm a very big we've we've
• 1:20:40
  been following Doctor Joe. He calls God the great
• 1:20:43
  intelligence of the quantum field, but it's all the same
• 1:20:46
  thing. Yeah, that's all the Yeah, it's
• 1:20:48
  a different, yeah, different name.
• 1:20:50
  For I haven't been to one of his workshops yet, but I'm a fan of,
• 1:20:53
  yeah, his books. Actually, John Mackey turned me
• 1:20:55
  on his books. Oh yeah, yeah, they're great.
• 1:20:57
  They're great. We've been following him for
• 1:20:58
  over 10 years probably. And yeah, he's, he's had a huge
• 1:21:03
  impact, right. And like what we're doing and
• 1:21:05
  just like our beliefs and like opening us up to think
• 1:21:07
  differently about certain things and like combining physics and
• 1:21:10
  quantum physics with, you know, everything else that's going on,
• 1:21:15
  it's. Really, you know, it's my second
• 1:21:16
  time now to read the the Dow, the Ching, but it but this is
• 1:21:19
  literally very recent. Overall, this this part of my
• 1:21:23
  learning in terms of reading it at all.
• 1:21:25
  I first read it 2 weeks ago and now it's my my second time to
• 1:21:29
  read it with Wayne Dyer talking about each chapter.
• 1:21:33
  Yeah, he's great. And I can't remember the exact
• 1:21:36
  burst, but I think it's either 25 or 26.
• 1:21:39
  And I texted it to one of my closest friends, Lincoln Brown.
• 1:21:43
  And I texted it to Lincoln. And I'm like, this is actually
• 1:21:47
  Joe Dispenza. Like just this one verse of the
• 1:21:50
  Dow is what Joe Dispenza is all about.
• 1:21:53
  And it's all about basically the power of your thoughts.
• 1:21:59
  And one of the things that is I become more embodied spiritually
• 1:22:03
  and my soul becomes more embodied.
• 1:22:04
  And my physical vessel is I'm very, very aware of my thoughts
• 1:22:09
  about, I'm very aware of like, if they're never positive, you
• 1:22:13
  know, also, I mean, I should have known this even before
• 1:22:17
  because I've studied Vedanta for years.
• 1:22:18
  And Vedanta is all about gaining control over your mind,
• 1:22:22
  leveraging your higher intellect to ultimately realize that your
• 1:22:26
  mind left ungoverned is like a child.
• 1:22:28
  It'll have lots of worries about the past, lots of anxieties
• 1:22:32
  about the future. You completely miss the present
• 1:22:34
  moment. So it's all about the practice
• 1:22:37
  of realizing that and developing that.
• 1:22:40
  But it's all in the Dow actually.
• 1:22:42
  Like, it's like Joe Spencer literally in the Dow.
• 1:22:45
  You know, I don't know if that was one of his influences or
• 1:22:47
  Vedanta was or whatever, but it's there's so many of these
• 1:22:50
  spiritual traditions which are change your mind, you change
• 1:22:54
  your reality. Yeah.
• 1:22:56
  Yeah, and you gave the example before of something like in the
• 1:22:58
  ancient cultures when people would be in groups and there'd
• 1:23:01
  just be the magical healings, right, that essentially take
• 1:23:04
  place. And Doctor Joe, like one of the
• 1:23:06
  main things he does at his workshops is they do actually
• 1:23:09
  coherence healings. And Linda Taggart, who wrote The
• 1:23:13
  Power of Eight. No, I.
• 1:23:15
  Haven't read that one. OK.
• 1:23:16
  So that's a good one where she's, she's done a lot of
• 1:23:18
  studies with Princeton, a number of top universities where
• 1:23:21
  essentially they're taking groups of people and they hold a
• 1:23:23
  similar intention. So they're holding a similar
• 1:23:26
  thought. And it could be, you know,
• 1:23:27
  poverty stricken area or somewhere that's war-torn.
• 1:23:30
  And so they focus their collective intents and thoughts
• 1:23:33
  on this particular area. And then they go and they
• 1:23:35
  actually do research to see like, was there any effect in
• 1:23:38
  that region? So they've done dozens of
• 1:23:40
  studies at this point with reputable universities.
• 1:23:42
  And what she's found through her work is that the magic number is
• 1:23:45
  8. That is eight people essentially
• 1:23:48
  with that same kind of collective thought and intention
• 1:23:50
  that is, you know, driving these outcomes.
• 1:23:52
  And so then Doctor Joe's groups and a lot of what he's doing
• 1:23:55
  around coherence healing, it's a group of eight or more.
• 1:23:59
  And there's a person kind of in the center.
• 1:24:01
  But what happens is they actually get the entire field of
• 1:24:03
  people into a state of heart coherent, which is similar to
• 1:24:07
  the metric obviously that we're using within our sessions.
• 1:24:09
  And what that does is essentially create kind of a
• 1:24:11
  field right, of energy. And then that collective intent,
• 1:24:16
  you know, in many cases, there's been so many case studies now
• 1:24:19
  and he's doing a lot of research on it to to show the effect,
• 1:24:23
  right, That can happen. To him and his wife went
• 1:24:28
  together and his wife was struggling from long COVID.
• 1:24:33
  And literally in one Joe Dispenza workshop, she's here.
• 1:24:38
  Yeah. Like he's like, we've tried
• 1:24:40
  everything and this is people. Could be.
• 1:24:43
  I probably shouldn't mention who the name of the friend is
• 1:24:45
  because I haven't asked permission to tell this story,
• 1:24:49
  but I think they'd be fine with it.
• 1:24:50
  But he would be shocked to realize how high profile this
• 1:24:55
  person is and how how much ability they have to try
• 1:24:59
  everything biohacking wise. And it was just one Joe Dispenza
• 1:25:04
  workshop. And you don't have to even go to
• 1:25:07
  a workshop and you could just read the books, practice it.
• 1:25:09
  It's just the workshop kind of helps you in terms of, yeah, I
• 1:25:15
  haven't been to one, but I've heard through you guys and
• 1:25:17
  others that it helps you learn from each other and practice
• 1:25:21
  together. And so it's just kind of like
• 1:25:23
  it's like going to a meditation retreat.
• 1:25:24
  It just forces. Forces like take action, Yeah.
• 1:25:27
  To take to do an 8 hour meditation, right?
• 1:25:29
  Because like, how often do we sit down to do 8 hour
• 1:25:32
  meditation? Right, Yeah, I don't think we'll
• 1:25:34
  be using Evolve to do 8 hour, but about the collapsing time,
• 1:25:37
  yeah, it'd be like, well, I bought this Evolve thing and now
• 1:25:42
  all I do is spend the. Opposite I'm.
• 1:25:47
  Joking guys. So we've touched on Joe Dispenza
• 1:25:52
  and I want to tell him a synchronicity story that really
• 1:25:57
  blew my mind this year. Actually, I went to Necker
• 1:26:01
  Island for the first time. I don't think it would be the
• 1:26:04
  last time, but it was amazing. It's the island that is owned by
• 1:26:09
  Richard Branson. It's only 74 acres.
• 1:26:12
  And my good friend Alexander Makoben, who is the founder of
• 1:26:17
  Liberty Ventures and has at different conferences, I'm
• 1:26:21
  actually speaking at one in New York City called the Principal
• 1:26:25
  Business Summit coming up. Then I think, I think that's mid
• 1:26:28
  mid-october. But you know, Alexander invited
• 1:26:33
  me and John Mackey and some other people to go on this
• 1:26:38
  retreat, meet Richard Branson, give different presentations.
• 1:26:43
  And I gave a presentation there on the hard problem of
• 1:26:47
  consciousness in an accelerating exponential technology world of
• 1:26:52
  AI, quantum computing and robotics.
• 1:26:56
  And Fred Lafranc, who was in attendance, really loved that
• 1:27:01
  talk and pulled me aside and said, you know, we really need
• 1:27:05
  to be friends. And we started to just have this
• 1:27:09
  these amazing conversations. We spent a lot of time hanging
• 1:27:12
  out there. I learned learned a lot about
• 1:27:14
  him there and towards the end of the event he started to tell me
• 1:27:21
  the story about Joe Dispenza workshop.
• 1:27:25
  He went there. And the reason he brought that
• 1:27:29
  up to me is I said in my presentation on Necker that I
• 1:27:34
  just started to read Joe Dispenza's book because of John
• 1:27:37
  Mackey, which is called Breaking the Habit of Being Yourself.
• 1:27:42
  And I was talking about how much I enjoyed that book, how it
• 1:27:46
  actually starts out talking about quantum physics, which was
• 1:27:50
  really cool. Anyway, so he brought it up to
• 1:27:52
  me and he starts to tell me this story about this guy that he
• 1:27:57
  continues to run into. And he's like, I'm, you know,
• 1:28:01
  this is a synchronicity. And I'm totally missing the fact
• 1:28:06
  that I keep running into this guy and not getting his phone
• 1:28:09
  number. And then he said it was the last
• 1:28:12
  part of the workshop, thousands of people there, where he runs
• 1:28:17
  into you again and becomes friends with you.
• 1:28:23
  And, and there's something that happens there that I'll say in a
• 1:28:27
  moment, but just pick up where I where I left off.
• 1:28:29
  Because if he finds out that I'm actually part of the
• 1:28:33
  synchronicity story. Yeah, I've never been to a
• 1:28:35
  workshop, but, but tell me, tell me about that.
• 1:28:38
  Yeah, it was, yeah, a couple years ago.
• 1:28:41
  Is that the, the Dallas doctor Joe Dispenza week long retreat?
• 1:28:44
  There's approximately like 2500 people there.
• 1:28:47
  It's just a phenomenal production that he puts on like
• 1:28:50
  7 days long. And yeah, I met this guy the
• 1:28:53
  very first day, his name was Fred and Fred and I really
• 1:28:56
  connected. My dad's name was Fred, right?
• 1:28:59
  And so this Fred and I really connected and then we kind of
• 1:29:02
  went our own ways and there was tons of people there, but we
• 1:29:05
  just kept bumping into each other during different breaks or
• 1:29:09
  different sessions. And we'd sit by each other and
• 1:29:11
  talk and, and all of this stuff. And, you know, and then was the
• 1:29:16
  last day. So I was were you at this?
• 1:29:18
  One, was it you? Weren't at this one.
• 1:29:20
  OK, Yeah. Yeah, I was just there by
• 1:29:22
  myself. Yeah, you're just.
• 1:29:23
  And it was the last day of the event.
• 1:29:26
  And they hold this like Warren was talking about these healing
• 1:29:29
  sessions, like where they put, you know, the person Healy is
• 1:29:33
  is, is laying down. And I was the Healy.
• 1:29:35
  I have an eye disease that causes me to not be able to see
• 1:29:40
  very well. And, and so I was down there as
• 1:29:43
  the Healy. And then the healers come and
• 1:29:45
  they sit on 4 chairs next to each other.
• 1:29:48
  And there's, you know, hundreds of healys laying down in this
• 1:29:52
  event with 2500 people. It's all divided up, right?
• 1:29:55
  And all of a sudden, like during this meditation, when Fred, he
• 1:30:01
  gets into a deep meditation, sometimes he kind of has this
• 1:30:05
  little laugh that happened. And and it's a drawing sky.
• 1:30:09
  Yeah, he's, he's amazing. He's a beautiful, beautiful
• 1:30:12
  woman. And right when that happened, I
• 1:30:16
  and I, I don't know, I just kind of like felt this different
• 1:30:19
  energy and like very powerful. Like when I'm laying down and I
• 1:30:23
  heard that laugh, just like a just, you know, when you hear
• 1:30:25
  like one of your favorite songs, you can hear like the first
• 1:30:29
  chord and like you just immediately know it's that song
• 1:30:31
  and you start to turn it up and like you're ready to go.
• 1:30:33
  It was like that with Fred. Like I just heard the little bit
• 1:30:36
  of it and I just knew instantly I'm like, Oh my God, friends
• 1:30:38
  here like this is wild. Like I have all these people
• 1:30:41
  like I'm seeing credit again. And so I haven't.
• 1:30:43
  Seen him how many times already? Oh, over a dozen, right?
• 1:30:47
  Right. Which he just kept on 20.
• 1:30:49
  Five, Yeah, out of all those people, right, Probability wise,
• 1:30:51
  huge space. Huge space.
• 1:30:54
  And and so after the session, like Brad was just like, like
• 1:30:59
  I'm teary eyed, right? Fred's teary eyed like we're
• 1:31:02
  just talking and hugging and the immediately he's like, I don't
• 1:31:05
  know what this means, but like we have to connect, like we got
• 1:31:07
  to meet up like this is all. This is too much to be a
• 1:31:10
  coincidence, right? And that just kicked off like
• 1:31:14
  this, this beautiful. Friendship.
• 1:31:15
  And how does Jason carpin inside?
• 1:31:18
  Yeah, so, so Fred knew about my eye disease brought from this
• 1:31:22
  conversation or from the Dispenza event.
• 1:31:25
  And a couple weeks later after that event, or maybe it was a
• 1:31:28
  couple months later, but, but Fred, Fred and I were
• 1:31:30
  communicating and he's texting me.
• 1:31:32
  He's like, hey, I'm on this pod or I'm on this call with this
• 1:31:35
  guy Jason. And I think he just told me he
• 1:31:38
  had a similar eye disease that you have, like what's the name
• 1:31:42
  of your eye disease? And I'm just like, so I text him
• 1:31:44
  back and like, he's on this, you know, this call with him and he
• 1:31:47
  asked Jason. And then Jason says the same
• 1:31:49
  thing. And like Fred just like lost it.
• 1:31:51
  He's like, Oh my gosh. Like I think it's, it's a very
• 1:31:54
  rare, rare, rare eye disease. And so Fred was like, Oh my
• 1:32:00
  gosh, you have to meet Jason. Jason's healed himself from his
• 1:32:04
  eye issue, which is, you know, supposedly unhealable, right?
• 1:32:08
  And he cured himself with food and like this diet.
• 1:32:10
  And that's what really started and propelled Jason off into
• 1:32:13
  this new chapter that he's been he's been living in.
• 1:32:16
  Some really talks about that deeply on this podcast.
• 1:32:19
  Yeah, it's a beautiful story. Just amazing, like how he went
• 1:32:23
  through everything that he did to get to to have the universe
• 1:32:26
  show him like where he needed to be.
• 1:32:28
  Yeah. And, you know, and so then, you
• 1:32:32
  know, Jason agreed to like meet up and, and, and, and so then we
• 1:32:35
  had kind of met up over lunch and we just hit it off
• 1:32:37
  immediately. I mean, we just had so much like
• 1:32:40
  in common. And we just, you know, both
• 1:32:42
  shared this deep passion for helping humanity.
• 1:32:45
  And, yeah, long stories are going to become good friends.
• 1:32:48
  He's going to become an investor.
• 1:32:49
  And he's. One of your largest investors.
• 1:32:51
  Yeah, one of our largest investors, a huge supporter of
• 1:32:54
  Evolve and like everything that we're doing, you know, we're
• 1:32:56
  just so aligned. Like I remember him giving
• 1:33:00
  telling me about Human Co and like what he's doing and how he
• 1:33:02
  wants to help heal humanity through food, through healthy
• 1:33:06
  food, right. And it was just like, and he had
• 1:33:08
  a lot more context behind that. But, you know, I was just like,
• 1:33:11
  oh, man, like you're saying the exact same thing.
• 1:33:13
  But if you interchange like, food with technology, like,
• 1:33:16
  that's our mission and like what we're doing.
• 1:33:18
  And so it was just this very natural, amazing unfolding of
• 1:33:22
  like how that all came to be. So then going back to Necker,
• 1:33:26
  right? So Brad starts to tell me that
• 1:33:31
  the guy that he met, which I had, well, actually hadn't met
• 1:33:36
  you. Yeah, we had missed and.
• 1:33:38
  You had invested already. So but he starts telling me
• 1:33:41
  about the guy that he met and the eye disease and then the
• 1:33:49
  fact that he connected this hedge fund guy in New York.
• 1:33:53
  And keep in mind I've never met Fred until this event, OK.
• 1:33:58
  And we had seen each other at Conscious Capitalism event.
• 1:34:01
  I used to serve on the board of directors there.
• 1:34:05
  So we'd seen each other at these but never really taught.
• 1:34:09
  And this is the first time for us to really get to know each
• 1:34:11
  other. And I'm like, you're not going
• 1:34:15
  to tell me this is Jason Carp, are you?
• 1:34:17
  And he's how do you know? And it was like so crazy.
• 1:34:23
  And so Fred actually told that story.
• 1:34:25
  At the end of the Necker trip, we were all sitting around
• 1:34:28
  dinner with the group. There's about 30 of us there in
• 1:34:31
  terms of the synchronicities of the divine or consciousness or I
• 1:34:36
  mean just the probability wise that he's telling me this mind
• 1:34:39
  blowing story and synchronicity to give me an example of the
• 1:34:42
  synchronicity and then find out the nine part of this.
• 1:34:46
  Yes, right. And.
• 1:34:47
  He's like, OK, this is just crazy.
• 1:34:50
  And then the synchronicity continues.
• 1:34:53
  So the part that that maybe you don't know is, you know, after
• 1:34:58
  Necker in the future, I did this trip to Maui and Fred asked me
• 1:35:06
  if I had any troops coming up. And I said, yeah, I'm going to
• 1:35:08
  Maui, you know, for spring break.
• 1:35:12
  And he said, oh, well, I'm really good friends with Peter
• 1:35:15
  Merriman. And Peter Merriman is kind of
• 1:35:17
  like the Tyson Cole. You know, in Austin we have Uchi
• 1:35:20
  and Uchico and Uchi Ban. Now they're spreading across the
• 1:35:23
  US, but they're our best restaurants and ice and Cole's
• 1:35:26
  the founder. And Peter Merriman's kind of
• 1:35:28
  that guy in Maui, the best restaurants.
• 1:35:31
  And he's like, can I said, can I set something up for you?
• 1:35:34
  And I'm like, yeah, for that'd be, that'd be really sweet, you
• 1:35:37
  know, thank you. And I'm happy to do the same
• 1:35:38
  thing for you in Austin. So he sets up a dinner and it
• 1:35:45
  actually he he didn't realize this at the time, but it was in
• 1:35:48
  Necker where we got the price from ServiceNow of what they
• 1:35:53
  were going to pay to acquire data dot world, but we're still
• 1:35:58
  negotiating on some terms, etcetera.
• 1:36:00
  And so it was later on in Maui where the the docs were
• 1:36:06
  finalized and we're getting signed and we signed on our side
• 1:36:12
  and we're waiting on them to sign.
• 1:36:16
  And it was a very long day of waiting.
• 1:36:20
  And about an hour into it, I felt this really strong feeling
• 1:36:24
  in my core that that deal was going to sign over dinner.
• 1:36:28
  And it was the dinner that Fred set up.
• 1:36:31
  I'm at the dinner, it signs within 5 minutes of the dinner.
• 1:36:36
  It was the best meal we had on nylon.
• 1:36:37
  Not just because of the deal, because the food was just in the
• 1:36:41
  exceptional. You know, we had this sunset
• 1:36:43
  that, you know, in Maui, the sunsets don't even look real.
• 1:36:48
  I mean, there's like there's so they're ridiculously beautiful.
• 1:36:52
  And the chat come and the waiter, I hand the credit card.
• 1:36:58
  He said that's not going to be necessary.
• 1:37:00
  I'm like, what do you mean it's not going to be necessary?
• 1:37:02
  And he hands me a card that's from Fred and he paid for the
• 1:37:04
  meal and he didn't even know. And so I texted him from there
• 1:37:09
  and I was like, you have no idea the synchronicity of you booking
• 1:37:14
  this and paying for the meal on this day.
• 1:37:16
  This is this. I didn't tell him what had
• 1:37:18
  happened. I said I'll be able to tell you
• 1:37:19
  in the future. But that was the day that that
• 1:37:23
  me in ServiceNow signed like on that day that's.
• 1:37:26
  Awesome, That's like. Synchronicity.
• 1:37:28
  Just completely. And then the deal, you know that
• 1:37:32
  7 is a very important number to me.
• 1:37:34
  So the synchronicity, the deal was announced on May 7th and
• 1:37:39
  then it closed on 7/7. And this is Servicenow's
• 1:37:41
  timeline. Yeah, it's not my timeline.
• 1:37:44
  We wanted to get it done as ASAP, right?
• 1:37:47
  So it was, it's, it's, it's so cold.
• 1:37:50
  It's so cold now. I've been praying for Fred and
• 1:37:53
  it's so cold that he's cancer free now.
• 1:37:55
  Yeah, that's amazing. Though maybe we're part of that
• 1:37:58
  game. We're friends for Fred.
• 1:38:00
  Yeah, definitely. Yeah, he's been on, you know,
• 1:38:03
  quite the journey dealing with his battle with cancer.
• 1:38:06
  And, you know, I think it's just been remarkable to watch, you
• 1:38:10
  know, the positivity and the hope that he held the whole
• 1:38:14
  time. And, you know, we, we spend part
• 1:38:18
  of the summer in a Mountain House in North Carolina.
• 1:38:20
  And Fred lives in North Carolina.
• 1:38:23
  And. And so we invite him and Lauren,
• 1:38:25
  his wife out to to spend some time with us out there.
• 1:38:28
  And Lauren's word. I don't know.
• 1:38:30
  Yeah. There's some.
• 1:38:31
  Yeah. We joked about that.
• 1:38:32
  Yeah. And Lauren's amazing.
• 1:38:34
  Lauren's amazing. Lauren is absolutely amazing as
• 1:38:37
  well. And yeah, it was.
• 1:38:39
  It was, yeah. It's just been an awesome
• 1:38:42
  journey. Yeah.
• 1:38:43
  Deep. Dentured I can wait to host him
• 1:38:46
  in Austin. I've told him anytime and you
• 1:38:49
  know he's yeah he's just an amazing human being.
• 1:38:51
  Yeah. So I know we're running a little
• 1:38:53
  bit long here, So I wanted, I want to, I want to ask you a
• 1:38:56
  couple of questions and then we'll wrap up.
• 1:38:59
  So do you, do you agree with me that, that it's this lifetime
• 1:39:03
  where we could get where we could manifest as humanity and
• 1:39:07
  age of abundance brawl because of this technology acceleration,
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  which I think, you know, we, we hacker our fear and not destroy
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  ourselves and realize we're all divine at our core and realize
• 1:39:21
  we need to work together. Then we're only governed at that
• 1:39:26
  point by the laws of physics. And we don't even know what the
• 1:39:28
  laws of physics are because there has been no reconciliation
• 1:39:31
  between quantum physics and and and classical physics.
• 1:39:35
  And so I think that, you know, we get to that point then we and
• 1:39:42
  it literally means abundance for places like Chad, you know,
• 1:39:45
  where the GDP is $660 a person. And I write about him this in my
• 1:39:50
  book about Kalibou. You pick me up at 4:30 in the
• 1:39:53
  morning on the way to that MIT conference where, you know, I
• 1:39:59
  really got to know him. And I was like.
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  What's the what's the solution here?
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  How do you help a country like that?
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  And I was like robots, AI, you know, like this acceleration to
• 1:40:09
  the point where you could send in an army of robots and they go
• 1:40:12
  and build all the clean water and all the electrical supply
• 1:40:15
  and all the solar grid and everything related to healthcare
• 1:40:19
  that they need in a country like that.
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  If you could build ACES and try to build anywhere.
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  Yeah, right. Do you do you think it's
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  possible? Yeah, I think anything's
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  possible. Yeah, right.
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  So absolutely. I think, you know, as with
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  anything, it's, I think it's going to be our consciousness,
• 1:40:37
  right, as humanity and as individuals that essentially
• 1:40:40
  guides that path, right? Because we can throw tons as we
• 1:40:43
  know, right? We can throw tons of resources
• 1:40:44
  at anything. For someone that's in a lot of
• 1:40:46
  trauma or survival, there can be a ton of resources, right, kind
• 1:40:50
  of given to that person, but it's going to depend how are
• 1:40:53
  they perceiving, right, their state, How are they perceiving
• 1:40:55
  the world, right, all of that as well.
• 1:40:57
  And so I think it's going to have to be both past, right?
• 1:41:00
  It's like we're going to have this opening of access to
• 1:41:02
  resources through technology and like all the examples that you
• 1:41:05
  gave, but that is humanity can be able to meet it, right?
• 1:41:09
  And that's really kind of the that, but that's the big piece.
• 1:41:12
  And I think we are seeing this massive acceleration in
• 1:41:15
  consciousness. I mean, even things like the
• 1:41:17
  Telepathy tapes, you know, eventually becoming like the top
• 1:41:19
  podcast and all these things, people are just opening up and
• 1:41:22
  there's a greater level of awareness.
• 1:41:24
  But I think we just also have to remember that it is our
• 1:41:27
  consciousness and our directed thought that is creating the
• 1:41:29
  technology and we are embedding within that path, right, our
• 1:41:33
  consciousness. And that's going to essentially
• 1:41:35
  be the end result over time. And so I think just over this
• 1:41:38
  next couple years, I mean the time that's already unfolded,
• 1:41:41
  but particularly over this next couple years, that's just going
• 1:41:45
  to be the integral piece that really determines where do we
• 1:41:47
  fall. You know, I think on the
• 1:41:49
  timeline and I'm super hopeful, I'm definitely in the camp of
• 1:41:53
  this can all unfold beautifully. But I think it's going to be up
• 1:41:56
  to a lot of the leaders that are really driving a lot of these
• 1:42:00
  changes in the technology to be in the right level of
• 1:42:03
  consciousness to drive this in a direction that, you know, the
• 1:42:07
  right place for humanity. And we have to be very real
• 1:42:13
  about the efficacy of what we have today.
• 1:42:18
  That's the norm. Like these anti depression
• 1:42:20
  medicines, etcetera. Like I'm pro pharmaceutical in
• 1:42:24
  the sense of like antibiotics or miracle cure.
• 1:42:27
  I mean, you know, if I ever get a sinus infection, you know, it
• 1:42:31
  cures me, you know, without the constant struggle.
• 1:42:34
  Yeah, I'm super pro pharmaceutical.
• 1:42:37
  But for things where it has to do with the brain, like a
• 1:42:42
  antidepressant medicine, the the efficacy is really poor.
• 1:42:46
  I mean, it's really horribly poor.
• 1:42:48
  It's like, it's like ridiculously poor.
• 1:42:50
  And then we know that opioids are addictive.
• 1:42:53
  So, you know, but yet those are legal and prescribed and
• 1:42:58
  frankly, we're pushed on people We know about the big ace.
• 1:43:01
  And so we've got to be really honest about where we're at and
• 1:43:07
  be very clear eyed and not act like, hey, this one thing is
• 1:43:12
  taboo even though it's known to work, but this other thing is
• 1:43:17
  legal even though it's known not to work in almost every single
• 1:43:21
  circumstance. And you know, we do have very
• 1:43:24
  real data that the loneliness depression rates are going up
• 1:43:29
  dramatically because of the algorithmic relation and lots of
• 1:43:33
  other forces, you know, maybe all the talks.
• 1:43:37
  So it's really going to take solutions like yours to help
• 1:43:43
  with the consciousness awakening.
• 1:43:46
  And like you said to help these leaders, it's probably they're
• 1:43:49
  both 1000 human beings which which oppress 8.2 billion.
• 1:43:54
  And I'm not suggesting a violent uprising like I'm suggesting,
• 1:43:57
  you know, Gandhi like approach to deal with all of that with
• 1:44:01
  love. But those leaders need to have a
• 1:44:04
  heart shift and heart change and lead with love more than lead
• 1:44:10
  with fear. Like the, you know, it's kind of
• 1:44:12
  the Angel debate of like Thomas Hobbes, Leviathan, you know,
• 1:44:16
  humanity just needs to be controlled versus Eastern
• 1:44:19
  philosophy of, you know, all the beauty comes from within, which
• 1:44:22
  frankly is the seed of Christianity.
• 1:44:26
  You know, the Kingdom of God is found within you.
• 1:44:29
  Judaism, you know, the Kunalam, like let's replant, repair the
• 1:44:32
  world. That's the core mantra.
• 1:44:34
  You know, Buddhism, you know, Hinduism there.
• 1:44:36
  I explore all of these and in my book.
• 1:44:39
  So we just have to be really honest about, about where we're
• 1:44:43
  at, actually at, like, not pretend like we don't have a
• 1:44:45
  problem. We have a serious problem.
• 1:44:47
  Yeah. Or that it's out of our control,
• 1:44:49
  Our control. Exactly.
• 1:44:50
  I mean, we did free will like we have tons of agency, right?
• 1:44:54
  We've never had more creative power than we have right now.
• 1:44:57
  That's right. So, so it sounds like you're
• 1:45:00
  pretty optimistic and I'm I'm, I'm optimistic too.
• 1:45:04
  Part of the reason why I'm optimistic.
• 1:45:05
  I'll, I'll, I'll just outline really quickly is, you know, we
• 1:45:09
  made it with nuclear weapons so far.
• 1:45:11
  Hopefully, hopefully we continue to make it.
• 1:45:13
  I'll, I'll, I'll just tell you one stunning statistic because
• 1:45:16
  I, I wanted to look this up out of my own curiosity because I
• 1:45:19
  bet you most people don't know this.
• 1:45:21
  So actually I'll ask you a question because I did not know
• 1:45:24
  this. So this is unfair for me to ask,
• 1:45:27
  but literally I did not know. But I'm just kind of curious.
• 1:45:29
  Like, like out of all the nuclear weapons we have on earth
• 1:45:32
  today, what percentage do you think it would take for us to
• 1:45:36
  destroy the world if if they were set off of of the ones that
• 1:45:40
  we actually have today? Like pretty pretty low.
• 1:45:44
  Less than 1%. Yeah, you're really close.
• 1:45:47
  OK. So I would have guessed way
• 1:45:48
  differently just to be honest. Like it's 2%.
• 1:45:52
  Yeah. OK.
• 1:45:52
  Do we have 50 times more than we need to destroy the world?
• 1:45:57
  And and by the way, 2% would destroy every city, every major
• 1:46:02
  city on Earth and create, create nuclear winter, which would kill
• 1:46:05
  billions of people dark in the skies.
• 1:46:08
  And then I was like, OK, if I was an alien and I came to Earth
• 1:46:14
  and I'm trying to understand the human race, I would zero in on
• 1:46:18
  that. And then the next question would
• 1:46:21
  be, are we making them? And we're making a ton in the US
• 1:46:24
  and China's making a ton. China's actually in a race right
• 1:46:27
  now and make a ton of nuclear weapons.
• 1:46:30
  So why because of mutually assured destruction, which is a
• 1:46:34
  psychological trick of like if we make these things, then we
• 1:46:37
  won't destroy ourselves. The acronym of which is in ADI
• 1:46:41
  mean that's acronym. Yeah, that's and and and by the
• 1:46:46
  way, I didn't make up that acronym.
• 1:46:47
  It's just is acronym, but it but it literally is in all the
• 1:46:50
  literature about mutually assured destruction that they
• 1:46:53
  use acronym. You would assume that we're
• 1:46:56
  insane and you'd be right. I mean, just just like you'd
• 1:46:59
  assume we were insane when we use slaves, you know, you would
• 1:47:04
  look at that and be like, how on earth did we have slaves?
• 1:47:07
  Like treating people as subhuman?
• 1:47:09
  But anyways, we did make it with nuclear weapons.
• 1:47:11
  I know that's a little bit of a dystopian side and side side
• 1:47:15
  bent there, but it, but it just is shocking to me when I
• 1:47:18
  actually look at the numbers #2 is we made it with smallpox.
• 1:47:23
  We really, you know, when we had an existential risk, we got
• 1:47:26
  going after it. And #3 is something I learned
• 1:47:29
  from a friend, Byron Reese, which I've already said a few
• 1:47:32
  times on this podcast, which is there was a point in time, you
• 1:47:36
  know, hominids have been around for 4,000,000 years.
• 1:47:40
  Life on Earth has been around for 4 billion years.
• 1:47:42
  The hominids are very new, but Homo sapiens have been around
• 1:47:46
  for 250,000. The like we're, we're very, very
• 1:47:49
  new from an evolutionary standpoint and we're built for
• 1:47:53
  evolutionary speed. And 50 to 70,000 years ago, we
• 1:47:57
  were down to somewhere between 800 and several thousand ML
• 1:48:00
  sapiens. I had to like really Fact Check
• 1:48:03
  this. This came from Byron Reese's,
• 1:48:05
  one of my best friends. He'll be on this podcast and
• 1:48:08
  he's written some of my favorite books.
• 1:48:10
  The last book he wrote, it's called We Are a Gora, about how
• 1:48:16
  the whole planet, you know, if you think of his mother Gaia is
• 1:48:20
  a functioning Organism, a super Organism like a beehive is a
• 1:48:23
  beehive actually regulates its temperature and everything else.
• 1:48:27
  So he, he was making the case that we're a large functioning
• 1:48:31
  super Organism. And it's a really beautiful book
• 1:48:34
  And he was approaching it scientifically, not spiritually,
• 1:48:39
  although he is a spiritual person that he was approaching
• 1:48:41
  it just pure science. It wasn't a virtual book, but I
• 1:48:45
  learned that through him. And the way we made it because
• 1:48:48
  we were in the Ice Age and there was a super volcano event.
• 1:48:52
  There was kind of like a it was like a nuclear weapon, frankly.
• 1:48:55
  It, it darkened the skies then now we're freezing and suffering
• 1:48:59
  with no sun. And the only way we made it is
• 1:49:03
  to pull together. And so if our core nature was
• 1:49:06
  evil, like we would not be herded, that would've been the
• 1:49:09
  end of the human extra. So that's what gives me hope.
• 1:49:14
  You know, I usually ask what you guys are doing to make sure we
• 1:49:18
  make it. And it's pretty obvious what
• 1:49:20
  you're doing at this point and how you're putting it all in the
• 1:49:24
  field. You know, I know you have two
• 1:49:26
  children. We have two children and the
• 1:49:29
  Jason, Jason and Jessica Carve have two children and, you know,
• 1:49:32
  it really matters for them. But I'm operating at a place of
• 1:49:38
  love for all of humanity. And I really mean all like we're
• 1:49:41
  all divine and beautiful at our core.
• 1:49:44
  Some people have many levels of programming that can really make
• 1:49:48
  them, you know, not a very nice person or, or, or really someone
• 1:49:54
  who's very broken. But my my prayer for all of
• 1:49:57
  humanity is we realize that divinity at our core and we have
• 1:50:00
  that collective awakening. Realize that we all have so much
• 1:50:03
  in common and that we need to overcome this squabbling of my
• 1:50:08
  religion versus your religion or my country versus your country
• 1:50:11
  or men versus women or, you know, my race versus your.
• 1:50:15
  Just realize like we're so genetically identical.
• 1:50:19
  And that's a big part of what my book, the most audacious part of
• 1:50:24
  my book is Part 3, which is on transformation and how do we
• 1:50:28
  actually transform and things I would I would love your guys
• 1:50:31
  support on is I'd love to profile you in that part because
• 1:50:38
  I'm finishing that part of the book with case studies.
• 1:50:42
  I think kids are a perfect case study of like people really put
• 1:50:44
  in all in the field. Yeah.
• 1:50:46
  Yeah, we'd love to do that. That sounds great.
• 1:50:49
  Cool, cool. This was this was amazing.
• 1:50:51
  You guys are such a beautiful couple and such amazing people.
• 1:50:55
  And you can tell you're bleeding completely from the heart, but
• 1:50:58
  you're also both very smart. So you've got, you know, you've
• 1:51:01
  got the head activated too. And and ultimately you're doing
• 1:51:05
  something very ambitious. Gonna be very, very important
• 1:51:08
  for the world. Really appreciate you guys being
• 1:51:11
  on. Yeah, Thanks for having us.
• 1:51:12
  It's been great. Thank you, Pat.
• 1:51:13
  Yeah. Thank you.
• 1:51:15
  Thanks everybody for tuning in to another episode of Love
• 1:51:19
  Conquers Fear. The lineup coming up is
• 1:51:22
  unbelievable. I mean, just better and better
• 1:51:26
  in terms of who's showing up for this and different people coming
• 1:51:29
  in, in my life. I was just speaking at a
• 1:51:32
  conference this week called Dealcon and it's all about M&A
• 1:51:38
  and that speech that I gave at the conference, there were like
• 1:51:42
  5 people that showed up that are making introductions to people
• 1:51:47
  that would be absolutely perfect for this podcast.
• 1:51:50
  I also got a got a LinkedIn recently from someone who's a
• 1:51:54
  quantum physics expert who's invented all types of technology
• 1:51:58
  and firms of consciousness that they'll be introducing to you
• 1:52:02
  guys. And I'll also probably have him
• 1:52:06
  on the podcast, but it's a long list coming up of amazing
• 1:52:10
  scientists, amazing philosophers, amazing spiritual
• 1:52:14
  features, investors and entrepreneurs.
• 1:52:17
  So stay tuned for more exciting episodes.
• 1:52:19
  I'm enjoying this journey and I hope you are too.
• 1:52:21
  Go Team Humanity.