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DOJ Records Raise New Questions About Lesley Groff’s Role Around Epstein (5/7/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. When it comes to Jeffrey Epstein's Corps of four,
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one of the most important people when it comes to
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the operation of Epstein's empire was Leslie Groff, and she
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was in charge of a whole array of different things.
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We're talking about setting up massages, we're talking about flights,
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we're talking about all the logistics and under normal circumstances,
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she would have been part of the Grand Conspiracy right
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part of RICO, but Epstein was never charged with RICO,
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so that never occurred. What all you have to do
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is take a look at the basics, and it's pretty
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obvious that Leslie Groff was a key component to what
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Jeffrey Epstein was up to. Now, look, I'm not going
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to sit here and tell you that Leslie Groff was
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abusing anybody. She was not, not that we know of.
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But you don't have to do the actual crime to
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be part of the conspiracy. You just have to be
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part of it, whether it's logistically, whether it's actually taking
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part or just being adjacent. Anybody that's part of the
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enterprise is part of the whole crime. And Leslie Groff,
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in my opinion and the opinion of many prosecutors and judges,
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most certainly was smack dab in the middle of that
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criminal enterprise. Meanwhile, you have Congress talking to Tom Waite. Now, look,
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I get it, Glenn Maxwell's boyfriend. Great, But how about
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Leslie Groff, How about Sarah Kellen Vickers, how about Adrianna
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Ross or Nadia Marsenkova. Why not call them up? Why
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not show people you're serious. Today we have an article
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from the Stamford Advocate and the headline Connecticut Aid arrange
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victim flights massages for Jeffrey Epstein. DOJ files show this
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article was authored by Nathaniel Rosenberg. Leslie Groff, Jeffrey Epstein's
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longtime executive assistant, scheduled massages and coordinated dozens of flights
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around the world for victims of the disgrace convicted sex trafficker.
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Recently released Department of Justice document show and this is known.
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We've known this for years, and the documents just back
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up all the speculation. But Jeffrey Epstein himself called Leslie
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Groff's brain and said he couldn't function without her. But
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it remains unknown whether the Connecticut resident knew about Epstein's
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sexual assaults, which one victim said once happened just on
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the other side of a closed door from where Groff
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was working. Come on, does anyone really believe she had
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no idea who Epstein was or what he was doing.
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They all knew, especially people on the inside, the core
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four Leslie Groff, Nadiam Marsenkova, Adriana Ross, and Sarah Kellen Vickers.
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They all knew. And not only did they know, they
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all play their part, whether it was recruiting, whether it
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was taking part in the abuse, or whether it was
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logistically like Grof, they all had a part to play,
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and they all played it. Victims interviewed by federal investigators
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alleged that Grof schedule massages in New York City where
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Epstein assaulted women, according to internal FBI summaries of those
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victim interviews. And it just really boggles the mind. If
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they had this much information on a criminal empire that
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was involved in regular human trafficking, if you will, or drugs,
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everybody would have been locked up, the accountant, the lawyer, everybody.
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But for whatever reason, hintin when it comes to Epstein,
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that was never the case, and there was never even
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real interest in these women, right, they were given that
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deal and that was the end of it. We'll protect
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them down in Florida, and then that'll be the end
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of all of it, and we'll never have to worry
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about those women talking to the authorities. But even then,
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we know that Nadia Mars and Covia now was speaking
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with the authorities behind the scenes, and you would think
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with her testimony, they'd be able to lock everybody up.
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So why didn't they do it? Why didn't they pursue
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it any further? Why did they contain the blast radius
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to just glame Maxwell. In some cases, Groff allegedly pay
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the victims or cover their schooling expenses, According to a
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December twenty nineteen Department of Justice memo summarizing nearly fifty
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interviews federal agents conducted while investigating potential co conspirators of Epstein,
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including a testimony from thirty eight victims, nine of whom
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referenced Groff. Imagine being talked about that much by people
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that were being trafficked, and you don't get arrested. It
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is so crazy. The second your name is attached to
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something like this, everybody should go down it's an obvious conspiracy,
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it's an obvious reco case. So what the hell's the
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government doing and why were they so reticent to go
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the extra mile. Graf, a New Canaan resident, also coordinated
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dozens of flights that brought potential victims to his properties
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around the world, according to DOJ documents, which include flight
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receipts and her emails about those bookings. So she brought
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these girls to the belly of the beast, set up
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all the flights, set up all the travel, but she
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had no idea what was going on. She thought that
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she was working for a saint. Don't you know, a
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guy that's never done anything crazy ever in his life,
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a guy that gives you no signs that he's a
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degenerate pervert? Is that what she wants us to believe.
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And if you believe that, well, I think you're stupid.
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In a July twenty twenty one sit down with prosecutors,
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Graff admitted to booking massages for Epstein. An internal LEFTBI
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report on the meeting shows she's admitted it. She admitted
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she's part of it. She's admitted that she's led these
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girls into the belly of the beast and what came
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of it? Nothing, not a damn thing. Why that's question.
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How come all these people, especially the ones that we
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have dead to rights with evidence, have gone away with it.
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Somebody make it make sense. Sharing a separate interview in
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February twenty twenty, no show that Groff's lawyer, Michael Backner,
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told investigators his client did not know the massages were sexual,
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was unaware of the girl she was booking were underage,
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and thought that when the girls mentioned class he school,
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they were talking about college. Oh, she had no idea.
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She didn't know, So it's okay, since one is ignorance
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an excuse for breaking the law. If it doesn't work
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for me, it shouldn't work for her. But of course
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it will. I know, I know, I'm overreacting. There's something
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to see here, and it's all just a big conspiracy.
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CT Insider reviewed thousands of pages of DJ documents, including emails,
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flight confirmations, victim interviews, and photographs for this story. Groff,
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who managed epscene schedule meetings, and travel for nearly two decades,
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as consistently denied any knowledge of his sprawling sex trafficking operation.
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I'm sorry, but I don't believe her. I know it's
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hard to believe that. I don't believe her, but here
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we are. In a lawsuit filed in twenty twenty one,
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Jane Doe claimed that Graff facilitated Epstein's trafficking of her
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by purchasing plane tickets, sending money, and making appointments, though
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later dismissed the lawsuit before Groff was required to file
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a response to the claims, two other victims filed civil
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suits against Grof, but those litigations were also dismissed. Groff
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was named as a potential co conspirator of Epstein's in
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several internal DOJ documents, which range from an FBI list
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of potential Epstein collaborators to July twenty nineteen emails between
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FBI agents and prosecutors, and appeared in more than one
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hundred and fifty thousand files released since last December. Now, look,
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I'm not going to sit here and tell you that
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Groff was abusing people like I said earlier. Let's not
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inflate things. Everybody was taking part in the abuse. Some
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people were logistics, and Leslie Groff was in charge of
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all of it. So if she was doing the same
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thing for El Choppo. Do you think that she'd get
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this armor, Do you think that she'd be protected the
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way she is, or do you think she'd be facing
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a life sentence? But she was never charged with a crime,
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and the lawsuits filed against her have all been dismissed.
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The fact that the US Attorney's Office did not prosecute
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Leslie after she voluntarily spoke with them answering every question
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posed of her, demonstrates clearly that she had no criminal
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involvement with Epstein. Backner said, Leslie is simply disgusted by
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Epstein's conduct and his heart broken by what his victims
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have endured. That is just wild, absolutely wild. The DOJ
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didn't prosecute because they didn't want to blow the case open.
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Nice try, Backner, But let's be real. We've all seen
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the evidence. And if you think for a minute that
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Leslie Groff wasn't involved logistically in creating the scheduling, bringing
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the girls, in setting them up for massages, then you're crazy.
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She most certainly was, and that puts her smack dab
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in the middle of the criminal conspiracy. The internal DOJ
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files indicate that prosecutors and victims believe that Groff, who
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worked for Epstein from two thousand and one until his
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arrest and coordinated virtually all of his travel, had helped
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move his victims to his properties around the globe. And
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she'll say she had no idea. I had no idea
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what was going on? Well, too bad, you did it right, man,
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act prison, see you later. But no, here we are
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talking about it still all these years later. Groff, who
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Epstein once described as an extension of his brain, worked
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for nearly two decades out of his Madison Avenue office
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in New York City. She was named as a potential
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co conspirator and shielded from prosecution as part of Epstein's
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controversial two thousand and eight non prosecution agreement in Florida.
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Again all to protect the operation itself. They couldn't have
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the little peons start flipping, right, not while Epstein was alive.
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Remember Nadia didn't start talking until later on. And if
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Leslie Groff didn't do anything wrong, why was she protected
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under the NPA. I'm sure that was just for precaution, right,
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because everybody gets soaked up like that. And hell, if
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I get a speeding ticket, maybe I'll just say, hey,
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the Epstein NPA protects me too. That's how ridiculous this
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whole thing is. But she'd flown under the radar relative
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to other Epstein associates, including convicted sex trafficker Glenn Maxwell
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and alledged recruiter Jean Luc Brunell. There's no alleged Jean
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Luke Brunell was as evil, disgusting, and despicable as Jeffrey Epstein.
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And you don't have to write a ledge there, it's
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a fact. On March third, a House committee investigating Epstein
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called on Grof to testify before them in June. A
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spokesperson for the committee said last month that Groff was
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confirmed for a transcribed interview on June ninth. Well, that's
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good about time. But do you think they're going to
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ask her any real questions? Is there going to be
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anything that comes of it? I hope so. I mean,
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at the very least, we got her under oath, and
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that's a step in the right direction. But the problem
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is that people doing the questioning I don't trust their
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motivations either. She was Epstein's primary secretary who handled the
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travel logistics for Epstein, his employees, and the victims who traveled.
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A DOJ lawyer whose name was redacted, wrote in an
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internal October twentieth email chain in which prosecutors debated had
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to handle the share of volume of files mentioned in Groff.
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And that's another beef I have. Why are these investigators'
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names being redacted? That wasn't part of the deal. So
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what we can't go and talk to these people. Nobody
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can reach out to so and so and ask why
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the decision was made to do X Y or Z.
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Seems a bit suspicious. In addition to scheduling massage appointments,
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Groff would also book flights for girls who traveled to
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meet Epstein at his various residences. Investigators wrote in a
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December twenty nineteen memo, drawing on testimony from at least
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five separate victim interviews, Several partially redacted DOJ documents collected
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as part of the investigation that led to Epstein's July
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twenty nineteen arrests on sex trafficking charges shed more light
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on why prosecutors initially identified Groff, along with Maxwell Brunel
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and others, as potential co conspirators of Epstein. Well, because
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they were. That's why. That includes the December twenty nineteen
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potential co conspirator memo sent by redacted assistant US attorneys
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to then lead prosecutor Jeffrey Berman, as well as three
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interviews that the FBI conducted with victims as they were
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closing in on Epstein in the spring and summer of
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twenty nineteen. At least half a dozen victims said they
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were contacted by Groff to schedule massages in which Epstein
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would solicit or coarse women and girls into sex, and
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the three said that they were paid for the massages
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by Groff. The DOJ memo and victim interview show one
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woman described as both a victim and a recruiter told
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prosecutors that it was Groff's responsibility to schedule massages in
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New York City, According to documents, In an April twenty
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nineteen interview, a victim who said Epstein began assaulting her
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at fourteen and that she later recruited other girls for him,
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told investigators that she would call Groff to scheduled times
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for a massage. I guess acting as a facilitator for
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a trafficking ring is not criminal anymore, pretty while considering
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how many people are sitting in prison for the exact
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same thing. Another victim, who the DOJ memo says was
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abused by Epstein as an adult, remembered Groff steps away
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from Epstein's office on one occasion when she was assaulted.
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She recalls that Groff was right outside the closed door
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to Epstein's office on one occasion when Epstein forced Redacted
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to perform oral sex on him, but she does not
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know whether Groff knew what was happening inside the office,
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the memo read. In a DOJ memo of a November
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twenty twenty victim interview, a third victim, who allegedly massaged
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Epstein and recruited other girls for him, described Groff as
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a familiar presence in his office who helped screen girls
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for Epstein. Yeah, she was just somebody that was answering phones, folks.
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She didn't have a big role here. She wasn't somebody
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that was a key element of Epstein's enterprise. Redacted would
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mention different girls names to Leslie, the memo said. Redacted
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felt it was pretty obvious Leslie knew what was going on.
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I'm sure she did. Somebody that close to Epstein. The
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plane is nicknamed Lolita Express. Nobody's talking about it. None
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of the other girls are chirping. Stop it. That victim
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also told investigators that on occasion, she called the office
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to talk to Groff, saying that she needed to speak
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to Epstein as soon as possible because she needed money
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to get an abortion. The memo stated Groff was able
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to get to Epstein on the phone right away, and
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Epstein gave her a dacted one thousand dollars in an envelope. Well,
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I wonder why she needed an abortion. I'm pretty sure
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there was no immaculate conception. In her twenty twenty one
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interview with prosecutors, Groff described massages as a routine part
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of Epstein's day. According to an interview summary prepared by prosecutors,
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she said that when she first started working for Epstein,
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Maxwell told her that Epstein needed a massage every day.
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Groff also said scheduling massages was roughly one percent of
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her job. Well, that's enough to send you to prison.
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I mean, let's be real. It was presented like it
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was totally normal. The notes described Groff saying to Groff,
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making massage appointments was just another appointment we had to
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make for Epstein. In the victim interviews, several expressed uncertainty
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about how much Groff was aware of what the massage
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is entelled. Look, I have a hard time believing she
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didn't know. She was very close to Epstein, and there
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were signs, Okay, plenty of signs. Furthermore, she kept working
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for him after he was arrested. Right, got it. According
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to notes from the interview Backner gave to investigators in
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February of twenty twenty, Groff rarely interacted with the victims
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in person. Doesn't matter. You can't send them an email
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if they're underage and have them come to Ebstein's house.
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Are you crazy? Unlike Maxwell, Groff did not travel with
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Epstein outside of New York City and only visited her
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boss homes in Paris and the US Virgin Islands on
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one occasion each while on vacation with her husband. Epstein
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was not on the island or at his home in
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Paris when Groff and her husband stayed there. Oh well,
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in that case, everything's cool, All is forgiven. Imagine your
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daughter was led into the belly of the beast by
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Leslie Groff. While Groff herself did not travel with her boss,
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DOJ records include dozens of emails and plane ticket bookings
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showing that Groff arranged for women from Eastern European countries.
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What do I tell you about there? Huh? What do
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we know about Eastern Europe and Jeffrey Epstein whose names
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are adacted in the files, to be flown to Epstein's
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residences in Paris, New York City, Palm Beach, and the
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US Virgin Islands to meet them. Over nearly a decade,
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those documents show that Groff coordinated several dozen flights from
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cities in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia and Lithuania to Epstein's properties.
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Because the names are adapted, it's difficult to determine how
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many individuals were booked on those flights, but arranging their
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travel was consistent part of Groff's work as Epstein's personal
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secretary between twenty twelve and twenty nineteen. Using victims to
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group more victims was the hallmark of Epstein's trafficking ring
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after his two thousand and eight conviction for soliciting a
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child prostitute in Florida, Hold on a child prostitute, buddy,
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did you really just write that? How could a child
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be a prostitute? Do yourself a favor and give your
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head a shake. He increasingly recruited young women from Eastern Europe,
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who were often more dependent on him for finances, visas,
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and jobs. Well, at least he got that part right,
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because that's certainly what Epstein was up to. In the
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days surrounding Epstein's arrest, prosecutor zeroed in on Groff as
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a member of Epstein's inner circle. Prosecutors sent the planning
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email on the eve of Epstein's arrest, which identified Groff,
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along with several redacted names, as someone we believe that
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each book massages forum with underage girls, and in the
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days following the arrest, Groff was served to Grand Jerry
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subpoena as an alleged co conspirator. But she doesn't know anything, right,
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no idea come on. In February twenty twenty, Backner met
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with agents on behalf of Groff, providing a preliminary testimony
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to absolve his client from any involvement in the trafficking ring.
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He said that Graff had little to no interaction with
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the women she booked for massages, and that she did
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not know there were sexual contact during the massages. In
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her eyes, Epstein was wacky, bizarre, but not sexual backner
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told the authorities what an absolute lie, and this is
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why they didn't charge him with RICO because it would
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have been so expansive and the blast radius would have
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been so large they couldn't contain it. Then fifteen months later,
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it was Groff's turn to speak with federal agents, where
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she described booking massages and maintaining Epstein's busy social and
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professional calendar. Groff characterized the relationship between Epstein and Maxwell
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as volatile and her bosses demanding, saying he sometimes sent
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her home in tears, but still she seemed to enjoy
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her work. Yeah, money changes everything, right, the oh a
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big enough bag. People are willing to do just about anything,
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Groff thought. The whole office seemed happy, like the employees
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were happy, and it was a nice place to work,
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Prosecutors wrote. The nine page summary of the interview does
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not include questions from agents about Groff booking flights for
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alleged victims, nor does it discuss her thoughts on Epstein's
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conviction in two thousand and eight for soliciting a child prostitute.
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Because it was all part of the plan. Just like
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I've told you from the beginning, the whole idea was
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to cover it up. It was never to get to
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the bottom of it. Plenty of evidence there. If they
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wanted to do that, they chose not to, and they
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continue to choose not to. And the whole entire child
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prostitute thing. Fucking shit, we're not past that yet. How
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the hell could a child be a prostitute. Groff continued
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working for Epstein for more than a decade after that conviction,
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until July twenty nineteen, the month of his arrest. But
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I'm sure she had no idea, right. Epstein was arrested
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for what a tax evasion, jaywalking, eating a bagel the
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wrong way? Oh no, that's right, for sacked crimes. When
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asked why Groff stayed, Backner told investigators that Epstein was
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abusive but also charming, and that the work was very
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interesting making phone calls and scheduling people. Couldn't do that
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anywhere else. Huh okay, I guess. After Epstein's arrest, prosecutors
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identified Groff as a possible co conspirator in a December
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twenty nineteen memo. A follow up DOJ document in April
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of twenty twenty described Groff as the primary scheduler for
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massages at Epstein's New York residence. But unlike Maxwell, who
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was sentenced to twenty years in prison after being convicted
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of sex trafficking in twenty twenty one and Brunel, who
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died by suicide in a French prison after being arrested
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and charged with raping a minor, Groff was never arrested
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and maintains her innocence to this day. Well, maintain a way, lady,
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but I think the evidence points somewhere else. And it's
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going to be real interesting what she has to say
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when she gives her deposition. And I really wonder just
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how far Congress is going to push. And as you
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can imagine, we'll have a few things to say when
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she gives this deposition. But until then, that's going to
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do it for this one. All the information that goes
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