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Inside The OIG Interview: The Testimony Of An Unnamed CO/Lieutenant (Part 4) (5/23/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive right
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  back in to the interview given to the OIG inspectors
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  by the unnamed COO slash lieutenant. Question, Okay, do you
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  have anything else on that? And the other investigator jumps in. Question,
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  So if someone if they call an account and for instance,
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  in this instance, and they said, hey, we've got seventy
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  two present and one out and they wrote seventy three
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  on the count slip, what would happen then? Answer? What
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  would happen with the staff? Question? So, would you write
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  seventy two or seventy three on this or would the
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  lieutenant so if the slip is in this instance, says
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  what seventy two? Right? Answer? Yeah, the slip says seventy three.
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  Question And if they called it in and told you
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  the oppos lieutenant, we've got seventy three here, but one
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  of them is not in the unit? Is that considered
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  a bad count or what is that considered? Answer? It's
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  not considered a bad count. It's just considered something that
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  we improvise with and we have inmates coming in after
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  hours as like self surrenders and when the DEA the FBI,
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  they drop off the inmates at that time. Question, so
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  what should have been written on these Should have it
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  said seventy two on the outside sheet or should it
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  have said seventy three? And vice versa? What should have
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  the counts said seventy two or seventy three? Answer? Well,
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  inmates that come in that late, we call them safe keeps,
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  and they're always going to go to Shoe regardless. Always
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  because they're coming in late and they haven't been medically assessed.
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  We do the initial intake, but it's not the full
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  on intake like during the day watch hours. So all
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  inmates coming in at that time always go to special
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  housing unit. So again I'm not saying that happened that time,
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  but there have been situations where inmates are coming in
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  and she gets cut off by the investigator. And so
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  what I'm saying in this specific instance, if when they
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  spoke to the obsoleutenant and they said, hey, we got
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  seventy two, but we wrote seventy three on the count
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  slip because one is not in here, but he's still
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  on our books. Answer yes, so the lieutenant can make
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  that decision. Question, So is this sheet. This top sheet
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  should have said seventy two or seventy three, or that
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  would be the lieutenant's decision. Answer. That would be the
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  lieutenant's decision because this inmate is physically an R and
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  D question. Okay, answer, so they can combine those question
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  if that were the case. If when the obsoluteutenant spoke
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  to the people that were assigned to the shoe, would
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  it be normal for the opsolueutenant to say, just do
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  the count again? Answer no, because the opsoluetenant was knows
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  that the inmate is in off the streets, so everybody
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  is now in the No question, So it will be
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  suspicious if the ops lieutenant said, hey, they call this
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  in and they told me this and I had them
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  do it again. Answer no. Question. That's also not he
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  gets cut off by the CEO. Happens all the time. No,
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  happens all the time. Question you follow what I'm asking? Answer? Yeah,
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  it's a pre trial institution and we process inmates all
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  times of the night. Question, So it's not a big deal.
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  If the opsol lieutenant was just like, you know what,
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  just do it again? Answer to recount again. Question, So
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  I'll clarify he gets cut off by the guard. I'm
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  just trying to see why would they say count again. Question,
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  that's what we're trying to figure out. Answer if the
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  inmates are gets cut off, if the story is and
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  this would be the story this issue calling in our
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  count seventy three is on the slip one is actually
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  not in here, And the lieutenant says, I want to
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  make sure that we've got eyes on that their body. Answer,
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  uh huh. Question do the count again while they ensure
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  that we have eyes on that body? Does that make sense? Answer?
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  It makes sense, But it's working extra hard for no reason.
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  Because when these inmates come in at this time and
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  they're placed in R and D like the operations, is
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  the highest ranking officer on like we get one new
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  in like that three in the morning. It's not the
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  lieutenant's job to call the captain and say, hey, we
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  got more new because it's practice. Question would that change
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  if this person wasn't new it was rather an inmate
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  that was in the shoe that just got moved out
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  to R and D for whatever reason? Answer? I mean,
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  we've had emergency trips go out at weird times, but
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  an inmate doesn't he goes to R and D. To
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  put the restraints on, like if medical is not here.
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  You know, we do CPR, we make turn of kits,
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  we do a whole lot of things. Question and just
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  for the record, what is RNA and R and D
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  What do they stand for? Answer? R and D is
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  just the outcount. Question I mean, what does it? Is
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  it short term for something? Answer it's just letters. Question Okay,
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  so it's not like R and D, which would be
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  like research and development. Answer no, no, no question, It's
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  nothing like that. Answer. It's just the unit is just
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  the letters. It's not like Bravo Charlie. It's just literally BACA.
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  Question Okay, let me show you something. Can you look
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  at the four pm count? What's the count at the shoe?
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  Answer seventy five. Now they have won in an attorney
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  conference at four pm, but in special housing unit they
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  counted seventy five inmates. Question Okay, what's the ten pm count? Answer?
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  Ten pm count is seventy three. Question anybody in attorney conference?
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  Answer no, this is the ten pm nobody's in an
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  attorney conference at this time. Question Okay, so now the
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  question is do you recall there being an incident that night?
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  So if you notice the count went down between the
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  four pm and the ten pm you were on shift.
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  Did you recall any inmate threatening anything or saying anything,
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  any reason why they would have been removed from the
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  shoe at night? Answer not that I remember. No. Question
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  did you hear movement? Answer remove from the shoe to
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  go where? Question suicide Watch? Did any inmates come threaten
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  to commit suicide that night? Answer? I don't remember. To
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  be honest with you, I don't remember that specifically. Question
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  If I said two inmates did threaten and they did
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  get moved out, can you see on the ten pm
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  count of them being moved to the suicide Watch? Answer?
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  What would they account for? Question that would be three inmates?
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  That would now be three inmates leaving. So this is
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  basically saying that there's three inmates. Gets cut off by
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  the coe hold on one second answer yeah, unknown, mel
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  can I show you? Answer yeah, well to go to
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  the wellness center. I was going to use the restroom.
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  But if you got so, they have this conversation about
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  the bathroom blah blah blah. All right, back to it.
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  Question so, if there was two inmates moved, would it
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  show at the ten pm count where they were moved
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  answer no, that's in century. So the count slips in
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  the package doesn't have movement of inmates. We run something
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  that they call, oh I'm sorry, gets cut off. What
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  unit would they show up at if they're on suicide Watch?
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  What unit are they in? Answer? They would be ha
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  question how many inmates do you see? Answer for question
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  how many inmates do you see at the four pm count?
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  Answer too? Question so between four pm and ten pm
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  two inmates were moved over. You don't know the facts,
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  but let's say if they did threaten to commit suicide,
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  two would have been moved over right now it's four
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  at ten pm? Answer yeah, But because these numbers are different,
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  does it mean that they weren't there? We need in
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  between paperwork to show that the shoe inmates were the
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  ones that went to suicide watch. Question Okay, that's based
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  on investigation. It shows that someone did. Answer gotcha question
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  two people did. What I'm trying to get at is
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  if you notice that means technically at ten pm they
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  were still saying they're seventy three inmates right answer yeah.
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  Question so would that mean that one person was already
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  in R and D because remember at midnight they're saying
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  there's a person in R and D. Answer that's correct,
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  according to this question, So somebody between the ten PM
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  count or even the ten pm count, they might have
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  possibly called the shoe the lieutenant and clarified with the
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  lieutenant to get permission to account for the R and
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  D person. But why would an inmate that's inside the
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  shoe still be an R and D that late at night? Answer?
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  Why would an inmate in general being the R and
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  D at that time? Question? Yeah? Answer, but where would
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  they be coming from? Question? Are you asking specifically? If
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  it was at seventy three at ten pm and then
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  all of a sudden it's seventy two at midnight? Were
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  they changed? Could it have changed between those two hours?
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  Could that have happened between ten pm and midnight? Answer?
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  What had happened? I'm sorry say it one more time.
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  Question that inmate that from seventy three it became seventy
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  two because one inmate got moved to R and D.
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  Would inmates have been moved after ten pm to R
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  and D? Answer? I don't never remember that happening. Question
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  Would that be very unusual answer to go to R
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  and D? Question right answer, unless he was going out
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  on a trip, or like we get an agent that
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  come and they do takeout orders and they pull the
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  inmates to go rat on other inmates. We call it
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  takeout orders. Question. So I guess that's what he's trying
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  to get is that all of a sudden, at midnight
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  has changed to seventy two, but at ten pm it's
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  at seventy three, and they're claiming that one individual actually
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  was found in R and D. Does it sound suspicious
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  that that actually happened or it probably happened earlier in
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  the day and they were just not doing their accounts. Answer.
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  There's just no way to tell because gets cut off
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  by the investigator. But like you said, it would be
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  a very be very rare that between ten pm and
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  midnight someone would be moved to R and D. Answer,
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  and inmate would be going to R and D for
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  just going to R and D. Question right, Answer, Like,
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  there's nothing in R and D unless we have a
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  bus coming in and then R and D staff are
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  standing back late, but just to go to shoo to
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  R and D. Now, when we have an emergency trip
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  going out, then that's when we gather all the restraints
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  and we put the restraints on the inmate, but I
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  don't know. Question is R and D housed at all times?
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  Answer no, question, Okay, there's someone assigned if something happens.
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  Answer yes, question okay, Any other questions the other investigator, Nope,
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  all right, we're going to wrap up right here, and
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  in the next episode, we're going to pick up where
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  we left off. All the information that goes with this
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