Latest / Brett Keane and Eve Show / Brett Keane Friend Kent Hovind explains Carbon Dating Flaws
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- 0:15Carbon dating. I get asked this question all
- 0:17the time. Jonathan spent $70 to get this
- 0:19book right and the new ones out its $80 million $80.
- 0:24Okay. Radio isotopes in the age of the
- 0:26Earth. The rate project are a te.
- 0:29I am sure. Not that world's expert on
- 0:31carbon dating but I think I can explain things.
- 0:34I'm a teacher, I can explain it as best.
- 0:37I can't that's what a teacher supposed to do.
- 0:39Take the complex and explain it where the average person can get
- 0:42it and say yeah since I operate about fourth grade level you
- 0:44know I got to understand it myself first so I can explain
- 0:47it. Let me explain how carbon dating
- 0:48is supposed to work and then tell you the serious problems
- 0:51with it. Carbon carbon dating was not
- 0:54invented until 1949 in the last 60 years.
- 0:58So when they started telling the kids, the Earth is billions of
- 1:01years old back in 1830. They didn't tell him because of
- 1:04carbon dating, they never thought of carbon dating never
- 1:07been heard of, okay? Why were they teaching the Earth
- 1:10is billions of years old 160 years ago?
- 1:13Well, because they needed billions of years to make their
- 1:15Theory look good. That's why I mean if I told you
- 1:18a frog, could turn into a prince, if you kiss it you don't
- 1:20say well that's a fairy tale. But if I told you, hey kids, the
- 1:23Frog can turn to the prince if you wait billions of years old,
- 1:26maybe. So now, it becomes believable.
- 1:29No, it's still a fairy tale. It's a stupid idea.
- 1:32But the geologic column is where it all started.
- 1:35We covered that on video for and some more on video six about the
- 1:37geologic. Column the Earth was divided up
- 1:40into the layers, cenozoic, Mesozoic Paleozoic archaea sort.
- 1:43Each layer was assigned a name and age and an index fossil.
- 1:46We cover that on video for Then they said, now we have to prove
- 1:51these layers are old. So they pick the numbers out of
- 1:54the clear blue sky. And any dating technique that
- 1:56comes along like carbon dating or any other has to match the
- 1:59geologic column, or it's rejected only because the
- 2:03geologic column has been taught for 180 years now.
- 2:07So surely. It's true.
- 2:09Now I'll just because it's been taught hundred years doesn't
- 2:11make it true but that's the logic.
- 2:13They'll scientists will have. Well we know the geologic column
- 2:15is established there for any carbon dates.
- 2:17We get should match that if they don't we'll throw them out and
- 2:20we'll keep testing till we do, they might have to test a sample
- 2:22five or x times till they get the number they want.
- 2:26Well, how do you know any of them are right?
- 2:27Then, if you're getting different number every time, how
- 2:29would, you know, any of them are right?
- 2:31Radiometric, dating would not have been feasible, if the
- 2:34geologic column had not been erected.
- 2:36First, ever since William Smith at the beginning of the 19th
- 2:39century fossils have been and still are the best and most
- 2:43accurate method of dating and correlating the rocks in which
- 2:46they occur. Apart from very modern examples,
- 2:51which really are archaeology. I can think of no cases of
- 2:54radioactive decay used to date fossils.
- 2:56They don't date fossils by carbon dating, they date them by
- 2:59their geologic position. That's how it's done.
- 3:02But here's here's what happens. Earth's atmosphere is about 100
- 3:06miles, thick space shuttle. In order to get free from
- 3:09friction, has to get up about 100 miles to be able to outside
- 3:12the air and, you know, straight up 100 miles.
- 3:15It not that far from here to halfway to Tallahassee, you
- 3:18know, but but if you go look at the atmosphere, it has different
- 3:22very distinct layers to it, which is kind of interesting.
- 3:24It has a heat sink where it gets very, very cold up about seven
- 3:27or eight miles up like 80 or 90 or 100 below zero, but the
- 3:31Earth's atmosphere contains mostly nitrogen. 78%, nitrogen,
- 3:3520% 21%. Oxygen a little bit of CO2 for
- 3:38plants to breathe. Well, these don't breathe, it,
- 3:40they're fake, but plants, breathe in carbon dioxide and
- 3:43there's a very tiny little bit of radioactive carbon 14. .000
- 3:48is 07, 65 percent. This radioactive carbon-14 is
- 3:53different than regular carbon, it's produced by radiation
- 3:57striking the sun, striking, the atmosphere sunlight strikes.
- 4:01The atmosphere slaps, the nitrogen around and turns it
- 4:05into carbon 14. So it all starts by the sunlight
- 4:08hitting, the atmosphere. Just to give you the procedure
- 4:11here about 21 pounds of carbon-14 is produced every year
- 4:15and that is spread out all over the world.
- 4:18If I told you there's 21 pounds of gold but it spread out
- 4:21equally all over the world, forget it.
- 4:23I'm not even gonna go look for it.
- 4:24Okay, so you're not going to find it, real tiny amounts.
- 4:28If you look at a periodic table, carbon and nitrogen are right
- 4:31next to each. Other nitrogen has an atomic
- 4:33weight of 14. Carbon has an atomic weight of
- 4:3612, but if the sunlight slaps, the nitrogen around.
- 4:40It'll knock a few things off of it and it becomes carbon 14. so,
- 4:45it still weighs as much as the nitrogen, but now it's
- 4:47considered a carbon It's called radioactive which does not mean
- 4:51it. Listen to the radio.
- 4:52It's just it's unstable and it's going to break apart.
- 4:55It's like three guys dating the same girl that relationship is
- 4:58not going to last. Okay forever.
- 5:00Something will go wrong. I know when you want, Jonathan
- 5:03just marry her and be happy to rest your life, right?
- 5:05Carbon-14 is unstable. It does not like being
- 5:08carbon-14, it wants to get out of this situation.
- 5:12So it breaks down about half of it.
- 5:14Will break down on a statistical average about half of it is
- 5:17going to fall apart every 57. For years.
- 5:20Now it is doing this on a purely random procedure.
- 5:24I mean, you got a pilot molecules, you never know which
- 5:26one is going to fall apart. But statistics tell us about
- 5:29half of them will fall apart every 5,700 years roughly.
- 5:34Now while it is, carbon-14 it's floating around in the
- 5:37atmosphere like the rest of the carbon and it latches onto
- 5:41oxygen like carbon often does and becomes carbon dioxide and
- 5:45hook up and they're happily floating around the atmosphere
- 5:47and the plants are breathing in. 02.
- 5:51Animals come along and eat the plants.
- 5:54So the only way carbon-14 gets into the living world is from
- 5:58the atmosphere is produced by the sun, striking the atmosphere
- 6:01plants. Breathe it in animals, eat the
- 6:03plants, probably during your lifetime, you've either eaten
- 6:06plants or you've eaten animals that have eaten plants.
- 6:09I mean, I've ever done that before, like today for lunch,
- 6:12right? Okay.
- 6:13Everything we do is walk from one of those two sources, its
- 6:15plants or its animals that eat plants.
- 6:17Well, the plants are absorbing CO2, some of it is radioactive.
- 6:21Active. So if the atmosphere contains
- 6:24point zero zero zero zero seven, six five percent, it is assumed
- 6:28that the plants also have point zero zero, zero, zero, seven
- 6:32six, five percent probably a reasonable assumption and I
- 6:34don't argue with them. I just point out, this is one of
- 6:37dozens of assumptions that can enter into really mess up,
- 6:40things like carbon dating. So probably you have point zero
- 6:45zero zero zero seven six five percent carbon in you.
- 6:49Because you been eating these plants or you meet the animals,
- 6:51that would be in the plants. So probably it's all balanced in
- 6:54nature when the plant or animal dies it stops eating stops
- 6:58taking in more c14 it stops breathing.
- 7:00Okay, now whatever it had is going to decay It was decaying
- 7:05while it was alive, but now there's nothing to replace it.
- 7:08So what they do is they compared the amount of c14 in the fossil
- 7:12with the amount in the atmosphere and say, wow, this
- 7:15fossils only got half as much. Therefore, it's been dead for
- 7:17one, half-life 5,700 years because it continues to Decay
- 7:21after it died but now it can't be replaced.
- 7:24So while I was alive it should have had about point zero, zero,
- 7:26zero, zero seven six five percent if it's only got point,
- 7:29zero zero zero zero three eight, two, five percent.
- 7:31It's been dead for one half-life or two half-lives or three
- 7:34half-lives Etc. In theory, it never goes to 0.
- 7:38But for practical purposes, you can't measure Beyond a certain
- 7:42amount. You know you're going to run out
- 7:43of stuff to measure. It goes from a half to a fourth
- 7:46to 1/8 to a sixteenth to not enough to measure.
- 7:50Great article came out from Institute for creation research.
- 7:52They're the ones that did the rate project IC r dot org.
- 7:55They said with their short 5700 year, Half-Life, no, carbon-14
- 7:59atoms should exist. In any carbon older than quarter
- 8:02million years? You should all be gone yet.
- 8:04It's proven impossible to find any natural source of carbon
- 8:08below the ice age that does not contain significant amounts of.
- 8:11Carbon-14 even though such strata are supposed to be
- 8:15millions or billions of years old, conventional carbon 14,
- 8:18Laboratories have been uh not have been Aware of this anomaly
- 8:20since early 80s and have striven to eliminate it and are unable
- 8:24to account for it lately. The world's best such laboratory
- 8:27which has learned during two decades of low C. 14
- 8:30measurements, how not to contaminate specimens externally
- 8:33under contract to creationists. They confirmed such observations
- 8:36for coal samples and even for a dozen diamonds, I think what
- 8:40that means. The textbooks will tell you col
- 8:42formed 250 million years ago in the Carboniferous era and it
- 8:47when they test coal, it still has carbon 14.
- 8:52How is that possible? If all the carbon-14 atoms would
- 8:55have disappeared in say 30 40 50 thousand years.
- 9:00Why would there still be carbon-14 atoms in coal?
- 9:05I got an idea, it's not quarter million years old hoop or they
- 9:09don't like that answer. They'll keep searching till they
- 9:11find another answer because I don't like that one for sure.
- 9:13And diamonds, which they say, you know, for millions and
- 9:16millions of years ago, you know, they still have carbon 14 in
- 9:19them and it's not possible to contaminate one of those things.
- 9:22I mean, it's the hardest substance we have.
- 9:24So, how do you get carbon 14 in diamonds?
- 9:27And when did diamonds form? Well, I'm not sure when they
- 9:30formed, I know, Superman makes them in a few minutes.
- 9:32You don't take a piece of coal, squeeze, it is got a diamond to
- 9:34give to what's-her-name, you know, but olive oil.
- 9:38And so it, and they've never learned they've learned today
- 9:41just in the last, in the last 20 years.
- 9:42I guess how to make diamonds that are just indistinguishable
- 9:45from natural diamonds. High pressure.
- 9:48They've been doing it for years. Making artificial diamonds but
- 9:50they can't get a very big. Now just I think in 2005, they
- 9:53were able to get big diamonds with a synthetic process.
- 9:59Take your pet. That's right burn the body
- 10:03cremated pressure into a diamond.
- 10:05You can wear your your dog the rest of your life you know
- 10:08something are your ex-wife it or whatever.
- 10:11I don't think I'd want to do that.
- 10:13We're talking about that on the radio yesterday.
- 10:15Anyway, the guy said these diamonds even have carbon 14.
- 10:18It says this cannot be contaminated.
- 10:20Those constitute very strong evidence.
- 10:21The Earth is only thousands not millions of years old.
- 10:25Now, the rate project book is Difficult reading heavy.
- 10:30Reading Jonathan, you're awful smart.
- 10:32How far did you make it to the book about halfway?
- 10:35And it's taken almost a year? Yeah, it's heavy reading if you
- 10:38want to simplify, you know, don't go down quite so deep
- 10:41version. This one is excellent by Donald
- 10:43Young thousands. Not billions, he kind of
- 10:46summarizes in real English. What they said, different ways
- 10:51to show. Look, it's not billions of years
- 10:53old but the carbon dating assumptions need to be need to
- 10:56be pointed out. They'll say well we know Carbon
- 10:59decays at a certain rate and so we know if it's only got half as
- 11:03much, it's half as old, there's some assumptions, a mess up
- 11:06everything, I'll show you how it works.
- 11:08If I said we're going to build a barrel with water.
- 11:11So I hand Lea, the hose hardly a fill this barrel with water, but
- 11:15what you don't know is I have drilled holes in the barrel.
- 11:18While you're putting it in the water is leaking out.
- 11:22Kind of like your checkbook, you know, you keep putting it in and
- 11:24it keeps leaking out someplace, right?
- 11:25I'm going to discover that. As you live along, got the ring.
- 11:27Jonathan, you're discovering our well.
- 11:30The Earth's atmosphere is kind of like this Barrel.
- 11:32It's always getting brand-new carbon 14 21 pounds every year.
- 11:35Being put in And it's always leaking out through decay.
- 11:41So the question would be how long would it take to reach a
- 11:45stage called equilibrium? Now with a barrel you can
- 11:48actually do the math and calculate if I'm going to put
- 11:50in, you know, certain amount of water per minute and a certain
- 11:53amount per minute leaks out. When will I reach equilibrium
- 11:56and where they could all be calculated, you know, with a
- 11:59little bit of math and with the atmosphere, they said well, when
- 12:03would the atmosphere reach equilibrium?
- 12:05So the guys who invented carbon dating in the late 40s, said I
- 12:08wonder about this Earth. Atmosphere reaching you
- 12:11equilibrium. They did a bunch of studies on
- 12:13that and said. Now if we took a brand new
- 12:14planet Earth created it from scratch poof, got it going
- 12:18around the Sun, how long would it take to reach this
- 12:21equilibrium point in the atmosphere where the production
- 12:23rate and the destruction rate is the same And they determined, it
- 12:28would take about thirty thousand years to reach equilibrium.
- 12:30I'm not sure how they did all that.
- 12:32You could probably see some of the great scientists and figure
- 12:34it out, but then, they made two mistakes in my totally unbiased
- 12:38opinion. They said, number one, we know
- 12:40the Earth is millions years old mistake, number one, number two.
- 12:45They said we can ignore the equilibrium problem because we
- 12:48would have passed that point thirty thousand years ago.
- 12:51You know, they've discovered the Earth has still not reached
- 12:53equilibrium. Radiocarbon is still forming 30
- 12:56to 40 percent faster than its decaying.
- 13:00Now, think about that. If radiocarbon is still forming
- 13:03faster than its decaying, that means the Earth is less than
- 13:0630,000 years old, number one and number two you can't carbon-date
- 13:11anything. Because you'd have to know when
- 13:14it lived so that you can calculate when it lived.
- 13:18You would have to already know when it lived to figure, how
- 13:21much carbon 14 wasn't breathing at that time.
- 13:24Doesn't work as a website www.moocchile.com on the Earth
- 13:29has not reached equilibrium for on some articles there by Ron
- 13:32Cooper. But business is a calibration
- 13:34curve. If an animal is still alive, it
- 13:35should give you about 16 clicks on your geiger counter per
- 13:38minute per gram. If you want to getting eight,
- 13:40you say it's been through one half-life or Fork.
- 13:43Lecture has been through two half-lives or three half-lives
- 13:45Etc, this is called a calibration curve.
- 13:49In theory, it sounds like it should work but there are
- 13:52several real obvious assumptions and I don't know how they don't
- 13:54see it. Suppose you walked into a room
- 13:57and I said, I want you to tell me.
- 13:59Here's this candle burning on a table.
- 14:01When was it lit? Find out.
- 14:03It's 7 inches tall. I said, well that won't tell me
- 14:07anything. Now we got to measure how fast
- 14:09it's burning. We measure the candle for a
- 14:11while we get an Olympic stopwatch and we get it down to
- 14:14the nearest 40 bazillions of a second.
- 14:15Okay? And we all agree, the candle is
- 14:17burning an inch an hour. Here's our two facts 7 inches
- 14:21tall burning an inch an hour. When was it lit?
- 14:27Mary, can't figure it out. Nobody can figure it out.
- 14:31Unless you make some assumptions.
- 14:34Assumption number one, how tall was the candle and assumption.
- 14:37Number two, has it always burned at the same rate.
- 14:40Neither of those can be known if you find a fossil in the dirt.
- 14:45The amount of carbon can be measured the rate of decay can
- 14:48be determined, I don't argue with either of those.
- 14:51How much was in it when it lived?
- 14:53I don't know. Has it always decayed at the
- 14:55same rate? I don't know, has it been
- 14:58contaminated sitting there in the ground for all these
- 15:00millions of years? There's no way to know those
- 15:03things if the Earth had a canopy of water above the atmosphere or
- 15:07canopy of ice as we cover on seminar to that would have
- 15:10blocked out a lot of radiation from the sun, which would have
- 15:13prevented most of the carbon 14 from.
- 15:15Even for me, so animals that lived before the flood would
- 15:19have lived in a world with much less carbon 14 to begin with
- 15:22maybe none but certainly less. And when we dig up the fossil
- 15:26that's been buried for 4,400 years.
- 15:28Let's say it started with four. We're today we start with 16.
- 15:33We dig it up 4,400 Years After the flood and say, wow, here's
- 15:36our Mammoth. They've got buried and its
- 15:37carbon date it Well, we're assuming it started at 16.
- 15:42When we tested and find us got to we're going to show, has been
- 15:44through 4 Half Lives. When it's actually only been to
- 15:47one half life. Which is why it never works.
- 15:50When they first invented, carbon dating, 1949 Willard Libby, they
- 15:54did some testing and they said the lower leg of a mammoth was
- 15:5715,000 years old, but the skin was 21,000.
- 16:01How can two parts of the same animal?
- 16:02Be different ages? Quite obviously we know one of
- 16:06the numbers is wrong. So how would, you know, either
- 16:09of them are right? And if either one's right, how
- 16:12would you know which one I see, no way to tell, well, let's see
- 16:16if it's getting better. 14 years later, they tested a living
- 16:18mollusk, a clam and it was 2,300 years old, still alive in 1970.
- 16:25At the Nobel Symposium. They said, if a carbon date
- 16:27supports our theories, we put it in the main text.
- 16:30If it is not entirely contradict them, we put it in a footnote,
- 16:33if it's completely out of date, we just drop it.
- 16:38I mean they can they can pick and choose any numbers.
- 16:40They want exactly correct. The number doesn't fit what they
- 16:45expected. They throw the number out. 1971
- 16:48freshly killed seal was thirteen hundred years old when they
- 16:51carbon-dated it. Troubles with carbon dating are
- 16:55undeniably deep and serious despite 35 years of
- 16:58technological refinement and better understanding the
- 17:01underlying assumptions have been strongly challenged and warnings
- 17:04are out that radiocarbon dating May soon find itself in a crisis
- 17:07situation. Continuing use of the method
- 17:10depends on. I fix it as we go approach
- 17:12allowing for contamination, Here, fractionation There, and
- 17:15calibration, wherever possible. It should be no surprise.
- 17:18Then that fully half the dates are rejected.
- 17:21Did you follow that out of thousands of carbon dates that
- 17:25have been carbon dating times? That they've done it, half of
- 17:27the numbers are thrown out, How do they know they're wrong?
- 17:33And also how would you know the other half is right?
- 17:37If half your test results have to be thrown out, it ought to
- 17:40raise red flags in somebody's brain.
- 17:42Wait a minute, this is stupid. What are we doing?
- 17:45We're wasting our time here. And the article goes on to say
- 17:49the Wonder is surely that the remaining half have come to be
- 17:52accepted, no matter how useful it is.
- 17:54The radiocarbon method is still not capable of yielding accurate
- 17:57and reliable results. There are gross discrepancies.
- 18:00The chronology is uneven in relative and the accepted dates
- 18:03are actually selected dates. This whole blessed thing is
- 18:06nothing but In Century, Alchemy and I agree.
- 18:10That's 1981. I've got all these in
- 18:12chronological order. It never gets better. 1984,
- 18:15living snails carbonated 27,000 years old 1992 to mammoth found
- 18:22side by side. They carbon datum one is 22,000.
- 18:25The other is 16,000 which one's right?
- 18:29Or are both of them wrong or both of them, right?
- 18:32There is no possible way to tell in 1996, Carl Swisher had
- 18:37Berkeley University used the most Advanced Techniques today.
- 18:40Human fossils says, last spring, he was re-evaluating Homo,
- 18:43erectus skulls found in Java. In the 1930s, he was testing the
- 18:47sediment found with them. The species was supposed to be
- 18:51extinct for quarter million years it's which are used two
- 18:55different dating methods. He kept making the same
- 18:58startling, find the bones were fifty three thousand years at
- 19:01most and Possibly no more than 27,000.
- 19:05Well, like to point out two things here.
- 19:06He's looking for quarter million as his answer.
- 19:09But he keeps getting 53 to 27,000, okay, which is only one
- 19:14fourth of what he wants 1/5 of what he wants, okay?
- 19:18But he's still getting a 96 percent error.
- 19:23I mean is it twenty seven thousand or fifty three
- 19:25thousand? This is not an exact science.
- 19:27So when they publish an article in the paper and say we found a
- 19:29dinosaur bone, our mammoth bone and it was you know seventeen
- 19:32thousand two hundred and twenty one years old and six months and
- 19:35three days. All right?
- 19:37Come on you don't know that they're making up this stuff
- 19:39just absolutely making it up. Professor Reiner crotch Vaughn's
- 19:43item earlier the February night of 2005 was resigned from
- 19:48Professor because he'd been lying about carbon dating for
- 19:50years. His frogs were exposed in
- 19:54February of 2005, he had dated, the Bish cough Spire skeleton at
- 19:58a twenty one thousand three hundred years old.
- 20:01But when they tested him at Oxford, they said it said it's
- 20:03only thirty three hundred years old, seven hundred percent
- 20:06error. He had said, professor professor
- 20:09approach had said he had found the oldest German the first
- 20:12German to ever moved to Germany, 27,400 years old.
- 20:17They tested it at Oxford said it.
- 20:18This is an old man that died in 1750 he's 250 years old.
- 20:23The professor has been lying about this stuff for decades,
- 20:26and so he finally resigned in disgrace.
- 20:29Well, you should. Okay.
- 20:31One part of a mammoth a two twenty nine thousand years old.
- 20:34Another part was 44,000. You talk about a slow birth.
- 20:38That would be it. Okay?
- 20:39I like this article from Rand McNally, the last two years, an
- 20:43absolute date was obtained. For the gondang, beds above the
- 20:45triple beds that's in Indonesia. It has the interesting value
- 20:48300,000 years plus, or minus three hundred thousand years.
- 20:54Or they nailed that one right on the head.
- 20:55And they plus or minus, you know, three, three hundred
- 20:58percent error in the Geological Survey.
- 21:01Professional paper. 862, and I get some Flack over this, but
- 21:05I've got the paper in the library somewhere.
- 21:06We couldn't find it here. There's all kinds of articles
- 21:08about carbon dating things in Alaska.
- 21:11I just want to show you a few things here, they carbon-dated
- 21:14sample. Number SI 5454, see that on the
- 21:18map there on the chart there and said it was seventeen thousand
- 21:20two hundred and ten years plus or minus 500.
- 21:23Jared. Then they sent tested sample SI
- 21:27for 55 and said it's 24,000 140 years old.
- 21:34Well, 17,000 for 24,000 say, wow, that's working good.
- 21:37Until you find out. That's the same sample as 454.
- 21:42Very same. Sample test it again.
- 21:45So, is it 17,000 or 24,000 sample?
- 21:49Number 92, 99 was less than 20 thousand years old.
- 21:53I would look here, it means less than sample number.
- 21:56L, 137 x is greater than 28,000. Mr. Wells, that's working good.
- 22:01This sample is less than 20,000. This other samples, greater than
- 22:0428 until you find out. It's the same sample as 299.
- 22:09How can a sample be less than 20 and greater than 28 at the same
- 22:12time? I taught algebra for a long
- 22:15time. I don't think that's something
- 22:16you can do such a thing. That's not not to good living
- 22:20Penguins, were dated eight thousand years old.
- 22:25Materials from layers. Were dinosaur bones were found
- 22:27or carbonated 34 thousand years old.
- 22:30I was in a debate. One time in this professor was
- 22:32getting so upset. Finally, he said, how can you
- 22:34use Reader's Digest as a resource?
- 22:38I said, sir, I used Reader's Digest as a resource for the
- 22:41picture of the dinosaur bone. Okay.
- 22:43That's not the resource for the fact.
- 22:45Okay, it's that's right. Got the picture from.
- 22:48Okay, okay, so he went on to the debate but yes, dinosaurs ought
- 22:51to date, you know, 70 million years old.
- 22:55A Russian scientist dated dinosaur bones at less than
- 22:5730,000 years. Old Hugh, Miller from Columbus,
- 22:59Ohio, to again, for dinosaur bone.
- 23:01Samples and said, would you carbon date these and they
- 23:03charge like 600 bucks to carbon date?
- 23:05Something? The carbon dated him said
- 23:07they're less than 20,000 years old.
- 23:10He said, oh, by the way, these are dinosaur bones.
- 23:13They said, oh well, then they're not 20,000, we got to test them
- 23:15again. Why can't they be 20,000?
- 23:19They said well, we know dinosaurs lived, 70 million
- 23:21years ago. So if you had told us that we
- 23:23never would have carbon dated oh One friend of mine died here.
- 23:28Several years ago, but he was digging doing a lot of
- 23:30archaeology archaeological work and he dug down in this.
- 23:32Well, and he found layers of burned wood which is good to
- 23:36carbon date because obviously, you know, had carbon in and he
- 23:39put him in a baggie sample number a from such-and-such a
- 23:42layer, how many feet down? He labeled it a dug down, 10
- 23:46more feet, hit another layer of burnt wood.
- 23:48A city had been destroyed or 20 feet, whatever it was it able to
- 23:51sample, be, he took him into heaven, carbon date, it bait on
- 23:55the 600 bucks. They said Sam Apple a is I
- 23:57forget 3,000 years old and this one's 4,000 years old.
- 24:01He waited six months switch. The labels took them back in.
- 24:04Same laboratory said, I want you to carbon date these samples
- 24:08Now, sample be the lower one is in the top bag.
- 24:13Let's just switch the labels and they give the same results, 3000
- 24:16and 4000. It doesn't work.
- 24:20It's never worked here. Things to consider about carbon
- 24:22dating. When the sample of data sample
- 24:25of known age, it doesn't work. If you need a sample of unknown
- 24:28age, it is assumed to work. That's not science.
- 24:32Okay, as things Decay, they produce helium this helium.
- 24:39The amount of helium in the atmosphere is only enough to
- 24:41account for a few thousand, a few million years, not billions
- 24:44of years, there's a book called The mythology of modern dating
- 24:47methods. But I see our if you want to
- 24:49read stuff on that they do a lot of testing on this, they're
- 24:51probably the experts in the creation Community.
- 24:54This guy said the Rocks due date the fossils but the fossils date
- 24:56The Rocks, more accurately. That's ludicrous.
- 25:00Okay. And it all based on circular
- 25:02reasoning, they've known that for centuries recover, more than
- 25:04that on video for. I talked to James P Dawson.
- 25:08He's going to be on a radio program tonight.
- 25:10Actually, Jonathan supposed to call him.
- 25:12James Dawson was one of the guys working on The Dating, the moon
- 25:15rocks. They brought back moon rocks,
- 25:18came to his laboratory and said, how old is the moon rock?
- 25:21He took specimen number 100, 17 divided it into six pieces and
- 25:26tested it many many times. How old is it?
- 25:29They got numbers ranging from Two and a half billion to 4.6
- 25:32billion. So, five hundred percent error.
- 25:37A hundred percent error. I talked to him back in 99 and
- 25:40he's in Oklahoma, there's this phone number.
- 25:41He was chief of engineering and operations for the lunar and
- 25:43Earth Science division of the manned spacecraft Center in NASA
- 25:46in Houston, he worked on lunar samples, including the Genesis
- 25:50Rock. He told me, they found ages from
- 25:5110,000 years to several billion in the same Rock.
- 25:56His website JP Dawson.com, how can one rock be 10,000 years old
- 26:00and several billion years old? At the same time, something is
- 26:03wrong. Okay, the book bones of
- 26:05contention has a great chapter at the end called The Dating
- 26:09Game showing how that they will just change the dates whenever
- 26:12necessary. If it doesn't fit the theory
- 26:14all, Let's test it again until it fits the theory.
- 26:17See, the theory is important, the facts are not Evolution, as
- 26:22I've said, many times is a carefully protected State
- 26:25religion. And that's all it is.
- 26:27What about potassium-argon dating does that work actually?
- 26:30The numbers are bigger but the problems and assumptions are
- 26:33exactly the same and you can demonstrate, it doesn't work,
- 26:37potassium decays. Very slowly, this chart shows
- 26:39the different elements in their Half-Life carbon has a half-life
- 26:42around fifty seven hundred years but potassium it takes 1.3
- 26:46billion years with Abby for half of that to disappear very slowly
- 26:50decays. By the way, I would like to
- 26:52point out your honor just for you know, appeal That all of the
- 26:56dating methods are based on the decay of an element Uranium
- 27:00decays to lead. Potassium decays to argon
- 27:04they're all moving down the periodic table, not up.
- 27:09All going down just point out. Keep that in mind case we need
- 27:12to appeal this case. All right.
- 27:14Eighty percent of the potassium in a small sample of iron,
- 27:17meteorite can be removed by distilled water and four and a
- 27:19half hours. Well, if you can take out 80% of
- 27:22it in four and a half hours, how can you trust any dates?
- 27:24You're going to obtain by that. Canadian journal of Earth
- 27:27Science ran an article and said in conventional, interpretation
- 27:30of potassium. Argon age.
- 27:32It's common to discard Ages which are two substantial a
- 27:35substantially too high or too low.
- 27:37Compared to the rest of the group or with other available
- 27:40data such as the geologic time scale, there it is.
- 27:45If you test a sample and it's numbers too high or too low or
- 27:48doesn't match. The geologic column it gets
- 27:50thrown out. Well then why are you wasting
- 27:52your time and money? Testing it you already know how
- 27:54would you like it to be? Give it a number.
- 27:57Pick a number. It's dumb.
- 28:00The KBS tough. A tough is a layer of Ash or
- 28:02lava are generally. Ash that has been packed and
- 28:05turned into rock. It's called tough to you.
- 28:06FF K, Brendan Meyer had been dating these samples of
- 28:11potential with potassium-argon dating because here's the
- 28:14theory, when a volcano erupts, the rocks and stuff coming out
- 28:18is really hot and any gases in, it should be able to escape.
- 28:22Well, potassium slowly turns into argon and argon is a gas
- 28:26that use it for welding over at the shop.
- 28:28Argon welding, you know, argon's of gas.
- 28:31So since potassium turns to argon when The Rock gets melted
- 28:35and Shout out of a volcano, all the gas escapes and so the
- 28:38theory says, this new layer should have been that the clock
- 28:41is now reset. It is 0 years old.
- 28:46Even though when it was in the earth it's you know four billion
- 28:48years old, now all the gargons gone because it accumulated this
- 28:50argon for millions of years but now poof it melted and the gas
- 28:53is gone. So we can potassium-argon date
- 28:55this lava or ashore of any volcanic material.
- 28:59Well, they had been dating this layer of Ash named after Kay
- 29:02Barnes and Marcus. She did research on it.
- 29:03They said, it's 212 to 230 million years old.
- 29:08All the scientists agreed that layer of Ash is around 200
- 29:11million years old. Until Richard Leakey came along
- 29:16in 1972 and he's digging around under the KBS stuff and he finds
- 29:22a perfectly normal human skull. Everybody panicked said, wow,
- 29:28how can you have a normal human skull under 200 million year old
- 29:32rock when man didn't even evolve till like 3 million years ago?
- 29:38That's not possible. And so they looked for things,
- 29:41was this a burial that somebody dig through the Rock and bury
- 29:44this person down here? You know, was there an
- 29:46earthquake, is there a fault? Line near here someplace?
- 29:47Nope, all we can conclude is there's a normal human skull
- 29:51under 200 million year old rock. So what do you conclude?
- 29:56Well, one group study this and said well that proves aliens
- 29:58came here 200 million years ago. Would you would you just
- 30:03consider that maybe the Rocks not 200 million years old?
- 30:06After they found out, it could not be an intrusion or a burial
- 30:08or anything else, it had to be legitimately placed there.
- 30:11I mean, it was person was buried under this ash layer.
- 30:14They took 10 more samples of the KBS, tough and dated him.
- 30:17Again, keep in mind that already dated him a bunch of times.
- 30:20And everybody agreed, it's 212 million years old but now they
- 30:24take 10 more samples and check them again.
- 30:27And so, oh no. It's only point five to two
- 30:29point six million. Well, that's way down from 212,
- 30:34okay? They dropped a number of way
- 30:35down, but they're still getting a five hundred percent error
- 30:40from point five to two point. Six, this is not an exact
- 30:43science. So, back in 1770, they taught
- 30:45the kids, the Earth is 70,000 years old in 1902 to 1905.
- 30:49They said it's two billion years old by 1969.
- 30:52When I was a kid and they went to the moon they brought back
- 30:54moon rocks and said, oh wow, they're four and a half billion
- 30:57or three and a half billion years old.
- 30:59That was the official age, three and a half billion.
- 31:02Today they tell, by the way, they did it with potassium-argon
- 31:04dating. See the article from the
- 31:05newspaper today, they tell the kids, it's 4.6 billion years
- 31:10old. You realize the Earth is getting
- 31:12older at the rate of 21 million years per year.
- 31:15That's 40 years per minute. Wild dates are always obtained
- 31:20with carbon dating or potassium-argon.
- 31:22Dating dates that don't fit the theory are rejected.
- 31:25Only the correct dates ever get published.
- 31:28Well then why are you wasting anybody's time?
- 31:31Why it's not science? The original content cannot
- 31:35possibly be known. You can't know.
- 31:36There's been no contamination. You can't know that it's the
- 31:40Decay rates. Always remain the same.
- 31:41You can't know those things. Okay.
- 31:43Give you a couple examples of potassium argon problems, and
- 31:46then we'll take a little break Basalt from Mount Etna in
- 31:49Sicily, by the way, I climbed on Mount Etna, when I was over
- 31:51there in Sicily, they knew it erupted in 122 BC.
- 31:56They said, they knew it erupted 122 BC.
- 31:58They were written records with a potassium-argon dating.
- 32:01Its it's two and a quarter million years old, excuse me, he
- 32:05should be like 2000. When they tested lava from
- 32:09Hawaiian volcano, they knew it erupt in 1801.
- 32:12They people watched it happen, that's the lava flow.
- 32:14That covered our village, you know, 1801, it gave an age of
- 32:181.6 million years old, As a 1968, see if it gets better
- 32:23Basalt from volcano in Hawaii erupted 1959.
- 32:27When they tested it, it gave an age of eight and a half million
- 32:30years old. Another volcano at Mount Etna
- 32:33and Ted from the 1964, eruption gave an age of 700,000, the 72
- 32:38eruption gave an age of 350,000, he was erupting when I was over
- 32:42there in 2002. I believe I don't remember lava
- 32:46from Mount st. Helens was tested which my
- 32:48sister lives just 60 miles from there.
- 32:50They tested the lava from Mount st.
- 32:51Helens brand-new a lava coming out of volcano, grab a sample.
- 32:54How old is it? They tested it five different
- 32:57ways and got five different numbers.
- 32:59All the way from three and 350,000 to 2.8 billion.
- 33:04Notice all five numbers are different number one and all
- 33:07five numbers are wrong. Number two, They're wrong, it
- 33:12doesn't work. So again, when you test a sample
- 33:14of known age, it's assumed to work.
- 33:15And if you test a sample of unknown age, it is, you know, it
- 33:18does. We know it doesn't work when you
- 33:19know the H, but when you don't know the age, well then they say
- 33:21it works. So it just doesn't work and I'm
- 33:24tired of them. Using our tax dollars, to call
- 33:26that science. That is not science.
- 33:28That's Pure Imagination. There's a whole bunch more in
- 33:30the book Evolution cruncher. If you want more on that or in
- 33:32the rate project book radioactive isotopes and the age
- 33:35of the Earth. If you want more, or there's a
- 33:36whole lot of good stuff in Walt Brown's book in the beginning,
- 33:40he's a PhD in physics. Air Force Academy Professor for
- 33:42years and Colorado. Got great stuff in here.
- 33:41Air Force Academy Professor for years and Colorado.
- 33:44Got great stuff in here.