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Shameful coronavirus pranks flood media. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: a time when our country should theoretically be pulling together,
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Speaker 1: at a time where fear is running rampant. People are
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Speaker 1: isolated in their homes across the country, not really knowing
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Speaker 1: what's going on, and falling prey to isolation and fear.
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Speaker 1: The hyena are coming out the cons the crimes today,
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Speaker 1: coronavirus crimes, the next wave. First of all, take a listen.
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Speaker 1: Oh First of all, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: I mean see Grace's crime stories here at Fox Nation
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Speaker 1: and series X one eleven. I want to first talk
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Speaker 1: about a young man self named Laws with a Z.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Piers Morgan. You may
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Speaker 1: remember also the other idiot. This is also an America who,
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Speaker 1: as part of the ronavirus challenge that some morons are doing,
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Speaker 1: went into his local toilet cubicle here and licked the ball.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I haven't seen this. Oh my god,
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Speaker 1: why are we showing this there's another disgusting take off
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Speaker 1: the talle what is what is? I think this is
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Speaker 1: called karma. Here's a picture of him on his Instagram page. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he's got coronavirus. That's him in hospital. So he expects
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Speaker 1: someone to save his life. Now he expects someone to
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Speaker 1: provide you medicals and he'll be putting a healthcare professional
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Speaker 1: at risk. I wouldn't give a thing. It's not only,
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Speaker 1: as you say, disgusting, it's a felony. Now let me
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Speaker 1: tell you what this guy did. This guy goes on
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Speaker 1: line and does a video licking his camocia. Now, at
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Speaker 1: any other time in our nation's history, that may be
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Speaker 1: considered well, how do you say, toilet humor? But now
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Speaker 1: not so much. This guy has a social media reach
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Speaker 1: that is very, very vast. Let me go straight out
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Speaker 1: to our special guests joining us, all the guests joining
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Speaker 1: us today. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina, lawyer at inc Domestic
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Speaker 1: Law dot com. James Shellnutt twenty seven years metro major
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Speaker 1: k swat now lawyer, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author
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Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: renowned psycholiatrist joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. And
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Speaker 1: boy do we Anita shrink now more than ever, Doctor
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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold with her wisdom. But first to a reporter
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Speaker 1: from my favorite newspaper in the world, New York Post,
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Speaker 1: Tina Moore. That's quite a lad in, Tina. What do
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Speaker 1: you have for me? On Lars lar Z make sure
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Speaker 1: you get this z. And as Piers Morgan accurately pointed out,
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Speaker 1: there's no such thing as felony idiot. He was quick
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Speaker 1: to point out in America, I can't deny it. But
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Speaker 1: what did this guy do? I don't know what the
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Speaker 1: charge is for stupidity? I just I'm not sure how
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Speaker 1: you charge him. It's just incredible that anybody would do that. Well,
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Speaker 1: what exactly is your understanding to you, Justice Scott Morgan
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Speaker 1: of what happened? Well, my understanding is is that this
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Speaker 1: fellow went into a cubicle at a location and bathroom
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Speaker 1: cubicle and began licking the toilet seat. He licked literally
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Speaker 1: the potty nancy. And this is a very dangerous thing
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Speaker 1: to do nowadays, particularly when you consider they're now identifying
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Speaker 1: the coronavirus as being as they term it in medical jargon,
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Speaker 1: a very robust virus that means it lives for a
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Speaker 1: very long time. And I don't care so much that
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Speaker 1: he may have infected himself. I'm worried about who he
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Speaker 1: may have infected as a result of his actions. Now,
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Speaker 1: isn't it true that later he posted I tested positive
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Speaker 1: for COVID nineteen. Isn't that correct? Out to Tina More
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Speaker 1: And I understand he was licking a toilet bowl on
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Speaker 1: a flight or no, was that in his home? I'm
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Speaker 1: not really sure answer, Sorry, let me find out. I
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Speaker 1: understand this guy Lars licking the toilet seat. I believe
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Speaker 1: in this case it was in his own home. And
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Speaker 1: the reality of that, Kathleen Murphy joining us out of
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Speaker 1: North Carolina is that he didn't pose a threat to
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Speaker 1: anybody else that we know of. But the importance in
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Speaker 1: my mind, Kathleen, is what this is doing to all
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Speaker 1: of the children twin and teen followers. So I have
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Speaker 1: a thirteen year old, you have the twins, and they
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Speaker 1: look at this stuff. Unfortunately, he was actually following an
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Speaker 1: instagrammer named Ava Louise who went and licked the toilet
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Speaker 1: on on a slide and subsequently doctor yes, and then
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Speaker 1: was subsequently on doctor Phil. You know what my response is,
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Speaker 1: I'd love to know their parents' names and phone numbers.
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Speaker 1: I would love to know their number because my neighbor
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Speaker 1: across the street is that emergency room physician. Can I
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Speaker 1: tell you something else? This same guy, Lars with his
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Speaker 1: Z twenty one years old old enough to know better,
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Speaker 1: was also part of a craze where stuntsters would lick
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Speaker 1: tubs of ice cream in supermarkets. Then he posts himself
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Speaker 1: languishing in a hospital bed saying that he has COVID nineteen.
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Speaker 1: That is putting a painting COVID nineteen with a stunt
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Speaker 1: a hoax brush, and I don't like it these example,
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Speaker 1: it's setting and not only that, potentially giving other people
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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. Let's talk about his inspiration. Her name is Ava,
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Speaker 1: and I want you to but before we get to her,
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Speaker 1: let's take a listen to Lars himself speaking to doctor Phil.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't talk to my family. What a
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Speaker 1: very irrelevant. They're irrelevant. None of them have followers. If
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Speaker 1: they got followers or got rich, I'd probably talk to
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Speaker 1: them a gun a little bit. Did you just say
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Speaker 1: I don't talk to my family because they don't have followers.
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Speaker 1: If that followers, they'd be here right now. You joke
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Speaker 1: about your mother. I mean, my mom has more followers
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Speaker 1: than my sister. It's your mother. What do you what
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Speaker 1: do she making? What do you care if she has
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Speaker 1: followers or not? Did your mother? Can anyone tell me?
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Speaker 1: Like what I would talk to my mom about if
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Speaker 1: she's not going to be making me relevant? Yeah? Like, hi, mom,
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Speaker 1: Now I have a career and I'm famous. Like that's
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Speaker 1: what happens when you get famous. You've cut people off. Seriously,
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Speaker 1: everyone's upset with it. Maybe because you guys aren't relevant either,
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Speaker 1: so you don't understand. Maybe I'm just I'm out of sync,
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Speaker 1: I guess because I didn't know you till today. And
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Speaker 1: if you got to wear it well once again, doctor
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Speaker 1: Phil calls, like it is. I want to get to
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Speaker 1: the bottom of where he licked the toilet. But in
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Speaker 1: the meantime, let's go to Eva Louise speaking to doctor Phil.
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Speaker 1: Get ready, what the hell were you thinking when you're
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Speaker 1: licking a toilet seat on an airplane on the way
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Speaker 1: to spring break when the country shut down one I
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Speaker 1: had way dirtier things in my mouth that whole spring
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Speaker 1: break two. I've bleached that three private plane. I went
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Speaker 1: flew down on my sugar eyes plane with my best friend.
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Speaker 1: So really it wasn't that dirty, Like I wasn't putting
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Speaker 1: myself where anyone else at risk. Okay, well you just
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Speaker 1: said you bleached it before you did it, but you
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Speaker 1: also say you did it to show that there's no
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Speaker 1: danger and everybody shouldn't be concerned. So if there's no danger,
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Speaker 1: everybody shouldn't be concerned. And why did you bleach it? Oh? Well,
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Speaker 1: I've bleached it because you know, like people like Coop
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Speaker 1: on there, That's why I bleach it. Like you know
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Speaker 1: what you did tell you that you didn't say I'm
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Speaker 1: going to bleach this and lick it. I'm going to
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Speaker 1: clean it like it was in a labut that then
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Speaker 1: I'm going to bleach it. So you lied to people. Well, joh,
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Speaker 1: I mean that's what the media is doing. I think
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Speaker 1: with this entire virus. You were hearing our friend doctor
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Speaker 1: Phil coming down on prankster Ava Louise. You know, I've researched.
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Speaker 1: I pulled up the laws with the z video. Again,
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Speaker 1: it's not his home. He is in a public bathroom.
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Speaker 1: Laughing and joking and licking not only the toilet, but
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Speaker 1: who knows what else, just to get followers. You heard
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Speaker 1: him say he doesn't even speak to his own family
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Speaker 1: because they can't make him relevant. And the whole point
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Speaker 1: is that the message they are sending is there is
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Speaker 1: no danger to COVID nineteen. What message are children, twins
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Speaker 1: and teens getting it from? This Crime Stories with Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: everybody again, thank you for being with us here at
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Speaker 1: Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven. We're starting off
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Speaker 1: with coronavirus crimes pranks. Then we'll work into the felonies
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Speaker 1: and believe me, there's never a lack of business. We're
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Speaker 1: talking right now about Ava Louise licking the commode on
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Speaker 1: a flight Jacu. Let's hear doctor Phil speaking to Ava Louise.
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Speaker 1: And I was like really annoyed that Corona was getting
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Speaker 1: more publicity than me because I currently have like a
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Speaker 1: song going vile right now when no one was covering it.
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Speaker 1: So I decided to hop on the Corona wave. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: I just did lie to people, Yeah I did, and
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Speaker 1: it did exactly what I thought it was going to do.
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Speaker 1: Like it's funny because I created the fake news myself,
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Speaker 1: as I feel like I definitely represent like the whole
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Speaker 1: gen Z like population in I'm not terrified of this.
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Speaker 1: I basically took things that your generation and boomers are
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Speaker 1: scared of, and I capitalize off of it, and I
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Speaker 1: created it made mainstream media so I and I'm sure
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Speaker 1: there was government officials freaking out about it and things
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Speaker 1: like that. I literally I manipulated headlines in the political
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Speaker 1: like like rain, I had Megan McCain talking about me.
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Speaker 1: I was on the view and I was sitting at
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Speaker 1: home laughing, sitting at home and laughing. I jump in
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Speaker 1: here for just a minute. Is this doctor Angela Arnold
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Speaker 1: or Kathleen Murphy. This is Kathleen Murphy. Yes, you know what.
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Speaker 1: I was about to go to a shrink, but jumping
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Speaker 1: Kathleen hit me. Please arrest her. Why has she not
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Speaker 1: been arrested? And of the nine incidents I know about
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Speaker 1: these prankings, only four of the individuals have been arrested.
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Speaker 1: But yet there's a Department of Publication that says this
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Speaker 1: is a biological agent and there is a terroristic threat
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Speaker 1: associated with this type of bage. Now, the ones that
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Speaker 1: have been arrested so far include coughing on produced meat
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Speaker 1: and bakery goods that are about to be sold at
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Speaker 1: a Wagments grocery store, coughing on a grocery store worker
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Speaker 1: going through the aisles of a Walmart on video, then
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Speaker 1: posted claiming that the person had justin Rhodes had a
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Speaker 1: coronavirus and that we're all going to get it to
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Speaker 1: He was there purportedly trying to infect people, making a
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Speaker 1: direct biological threat, which equals terroristic threats. And Kathleen Murphy,
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Speaker 1: to your understanding, terroristic threats can carry one to three
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Speaker 1: up to fifteen twenty years depending on the jurisdiction in
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Speaker 1: our country. Correct, and if she has, whether she's infected
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Speaker 1: anyone or not, it was her intent to create this scenario,
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Speaker 1: create fear that leads other people, well, you know what
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Speaker 1: to doctor Angela Arnold. I want to pick up on
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Speaker 1: what Kathleen Murphy just said, North Carolina lawyer, doctor Angela Arnold,
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Speaker 1: psychiatrists joining me out of Atlanta, Doctor Angela. She actually said, Hi, dear,
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Speaker 1: that these are things you boomers speaking to doctor phil
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Speaker 1: Your generation is afraid of people are dropping dead, dropping dead.
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Speaker 1: I've had one of my very closest family members with
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Speaker 1: coronavirus in California. This is not a laughing matter. So
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Speaker 1: what is the danger of what pranksters are doing, doctor Angela? Well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I think that one of the things that this whole
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Speaker 1: coronavirus is doing, it's flushing these narcissists out, and they
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Speaker 1: just like this large guy said she, Hey, you know what,
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Speaker 1: doctor Angela. You know how I feel about you. I
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Speaker 1: respect you, I care for you. But please don't throw
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Speaker 1: around psychological or psychiatric terms like narcissist to people like us.
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Speaker 1: It may not know what you're talking about. Nancy. Yes
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Speaker 1: they are. It is a real disorder. It is a
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Speaker 1: real personality disorder. And one of the and the and
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Speaker 1: the Internet and the social media is just a feeding
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Speaker 1: ground for people like us. Okay, And yes, I believe
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Speaker 1: they should be arrested. I don't believe that they're thinking clearly, absolutely,
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Speaker 1: But why would you say that I'm quote hopping on
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Speaker 1: the coronavirus wave. I think it's what Eva Louise said
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Speaker 1: to doctor phil Oh whoa an idiot, isn't she? Well?
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Speaker 1: Is idiot a psychiatric term? Is that? In the DSM?
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's gotta be a name to this disorder.
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Speaker 1: Is it narcissistic? Like, yes, narcissus who looked at his
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Speaker 1: own image and a pool of water. All you see
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Speaker 1: in the world is yourself. Well, okay, now I'm getting it,
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Speaker 1: doctor Angela. And she wants to be famous, and this
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Speaker 1: is her way to make her pathetic little self famous.
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Speaker 1: Let's also not forget that she in her that she
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Speaker 1: said to doctor Phil she was on a her sugar
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Speaker 1: daddy's plane. I didn't live that in her not judging
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Speaker 1: not judging her sugar daddy's plane. Yeah, you know what
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Speaker 1: my condolence is to him. You know, I want to
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Speaker 1: take a look at something even more devastating. I'm worried
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Speaker 1: about this making light of coronavirus. I doubt pretty seriously
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Speaker 1: the families of those people that are in the hospital
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Speaker 1: struggling to breathe right now or have passed away. I
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Speaker 1: think it's very funny. But you know, Ava Louise was concerned.
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Speaker 1: Nobody her of her. I've never heard of her, and
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Speaker 1: I hope I never hear of her again. But there
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Speaker 1: is another issue, and that is the release of violent falons.
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Speaker 1: Compassionate release over COVID nineteen Jackie, let's hear about D'Angelo
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Speaker 1: stone Cutty Leven police. The sounds of a mother's pain
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Speaker 1: filled the streets of Avondale Friday night as Margaret Williams
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Speaker 1: remembers her son, Ronald, who was also known as Tony
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Speaker 1: or Bags. This is the worst pain you can ever feel,
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Speaker 1: no matter if your child's three to thirty eight. It's
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Speaker 1: just horrible to lose somebody like that. Ronald Antonio Williams
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Speaker 1: was gunned down in this bond Hill parking lot Thursday
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Speaker 1: morning while he sat in a car. He was well loved.
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Speaker 1: My son touched a lot of people's heart. Even though
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Speaker 1: he was kind up in things in his life, he
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Speaker 1: always wanted the streets to be safe for these kids.
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Speaker 1: Cincinnati Police didn't have any updates to the case today,
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Speaker 1: but the family remains hopeful that he'll get some answers
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Speaker 1: soon because several businesses have surveillance cameras just like this
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Speaker 1: one at the office for Vice Mayor Chris Smitherman, and
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Speaker 1: we're told that these businesses have turned over their surveillance
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Speaker 1: to police. Put these cameras. The cameras speak out. Let
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Speaker 1: you know if somebody dn't see something, somebody was right.
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Speaker 1: There was eight thirty nine in the morning. You were
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Speaker 1: hearing our friends at w k RC Local twelve. That
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Speaker 1: was Walter Smith Randolph speaking. D'Angelo Stone has just been released.
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Speaker 1: He's not elderly, he doesn't have an underlying health concern.
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Speaker 1: Why was he released. He's behind bars on charges of
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Speaker 1: attempted of murder. And you just heard the mother of
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Speaker 1: Tony screaming out. That was Margaret Williams screaming out in
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Speaker 1: pain straight out to our friend from the New York Post,
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Speaker 1: Tina Moore, what happened. A lot of cities are letting
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Speaker 1: inmates out compassionate release. They're falling it because the illness
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Speaker 1: spread so fast through jail, and you think about a
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Speaker 1: city like New York works spreading quickly. It's just even
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Speaker 1: worse in jail where people are so close together. So
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Speaker 1: they're letting people out, and I'm hearing the people out
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Speaker 1: here getting out who probably shouldn't get out either. So
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Speaker 1: that's what's happening. You know. The compassionate release for COVID nineteen,
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Speaker 1: where people are behind bars in tight, cramped quarters, is
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Speaker 1: supposed to apply to people with misdemeanor charges that have
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Speaker 1: some health elment, but that doesn't seem to be the
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Speaker 1: way that it is working out. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: Miss Williams speaking with WLWT News five Chatara McGee, this
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Speaker 1: is the worst pain you can ever feel. More than
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Speaker 1: nine months after Margaret Williams lost her son Tony Williams,
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Speaker 1: that pain is still fresh. Anything happen back, anything. This
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Speaker 1: shooting was caught on surveillance video near Base Mayor Chris
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Speaker 1: Smitherman's office in Von Hill. The alleged killer, it was
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Speaker 1: caught days later. So it's devastating to know that de'angelo
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Speaker 1: Stone is out walking his streets and my family is
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Speaker 1: still suffering, still crying, still trying to accept this now
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Speaker 1: awaiting trial out of handcuffs. D'Angelo stones Friday release comes
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Speaker 1: as the Hamilton County Justice Center releases some non violent,
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Speaker 1: low level offenders to prevent the potential spread of COVID
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Speaker 1: nineteen inside the jail. Stone is facing multiple felonies, including
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Speaker 1: murder and having weapons under disability. I want to point
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Speaker 1: out that the victim in this case, Ronald Tony Williams,
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Speaker 1: lays behind three children, one just two years old. His
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Speaker 1: mother Margaret tells us quote he can go to his
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Speaker 1: mother now, but Ronald can never, never hug me, Hi, guys.
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Speaker 1: focus on another ill timed release that in Texas of
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Speaker 1: David Cruise, charged with murder. Twenty seven year old Christian
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Speaker 1: Tristan was a dad, happy and hard working. Twenty nine
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Speaker 1: year old David Cruz, a guy with a lengthy record
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Speaker 1: of arrests, was charged with Tristan's murder. Only as of Thursday,
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Speaker 1: he's out of the Harris County jail and he didn't
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Speaker 1: have to put up a dime for bail. Cruz's argument
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Speaker 1: to the judge was the fear of getting coronavirus. It worked.
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Speaker 1: We want to make it very clear to our Harris
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Speaker 1: County community there are no mass releases planned. Our number
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Speaker 1: one priority will always be public safety. They are talking
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Speaker 1: about releasing non violent criminals, but yet this person was released.
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Speaker 1: Today we got another statement from the Sheriff's office. The
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Speaker 1: Harris County Sheriff's Office had no role in an independent
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Speaker 1: judge's decision to release this specific inmate, and that's true.
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Speaker 1: This week, we've learned the sheriff asked for thirty five releases.
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Speaker 1: They all appear to be misdemeanor defendants. The DA's office
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Speaker 1: didn't want this to happen either. Now, this was the
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Speaker 1: decision of one judge, the Sean Jones you charge him
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Speaker 1: with murder and you released him. Just then you were
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Speaker 1: hearing our friends at KPRC two. That was reporter Joel
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Speaker 1: Eisenbaum to tinam Or joining us reporter with the New
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Speaker 1: York Post. This is what I know about Judge Deshaun Jones,
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Speaker 1: who released Cruise because Cruz said he was afraid of
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Speaker 1: getting coronavirus. We know that Deshaun Jones, the judge, has
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Speaker 1: sided with defendants throughout his tenure on the bench, including
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Speaker 1: with a death row inmate. So you've got this judge
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Speaker 1: DeShawn Jones on the bench letting an accused killer free
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Speaker 1: because his lawyer says he's afraid of coronavirus. And I
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Speaker 1: would like to point out, Tina, that I did little
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Speaker 1: research on David Cruz. Turns out that he's already been
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Speaker 1: in jail on a deadly hit and run where he
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Speaker 1: mowed somebody down and then left the scene. In this case,
24:44
Speaker 1: we understand that he shot his friend Christian Tristan dead,
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Speaker 1: left him in a pool of blood, and then he
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Speaker 1: David Cruz had the wherewithal allegedly to throw the gun
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Speaker 1: over a bridge into a body of water. I don't
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Speaker 1: think his release was what the sheriff intended. I don't
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Speaker 1: think so either. I mean, he said he did say.
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Speaker 1: I read that crew said it was an accident. I
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Speaker 1: have no idea if that's true or not. But I
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Speaker 1: think with these judges and what everybody's in jurisdictions are
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Speaker 1: faced with is are you going to let people die
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Speaker 1: in jail? And that's that's the problem. And then also
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Speaker 1: I wonder how much they're worried about being sued later
25:24
Speaker 1: if people do die in jail. Well, you know, I'm
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Speaker 1: thinking about this, Kathleen Murphy. You've you've been in several jails,
25:29
Speaker 1: just like myself. I think the idea of compassionate release
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Speaker 1: for people that are elderly that have underlying health issues,
25:39
Speaker 1: not charged with violent felonies, for instance, on misdemeanor charges,
25:44
Speaker 1: and they're sitting there and they just haven't gotten a bond.
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Speaker 1: In my mind, those people would be perfect candidates for
25:51
Speaker 1: early release. I think this issue is kind of twofold. Yeah,
25:54
Speaker 1: there's some compassionate release issues, but it really comes down
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Speaker 1: to this judge. The Shawn Jones has an agenda, and
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Speaker 1: his agenda is pretty clear, and he cites the Eighth
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Speaker 1: Amendment against excessive bail etc. But if you're looking at
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Speaker 1: compassionate care, you're absolutely right, Nancy. It's for people who
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Speaker 1: are older, people who may not be able to tolerate
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Speaker 1: this virus. But this guy in particular was also convicted
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Speaker 1: of leaving a hit and run scene and somebody dying. Yes,
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Speaker 1: And I want to go back to Tina Moore's point
26:32
Speaker 1: with a New York Post, I mean, the reality is
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Speaker 1: to James Shelman, twenty seven years Metro major case swat
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Speaker 1: officer now lawyer, he Cruz is claiming and was an
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Speaker 1: accident the shooting. But if it were an accident, why
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Speaker 1: leave your friend your friend to die in a pool
26:48
Speaker 1: of blood and all you're thinking about is getting rid
26:52
Speaker 1: of the murder weapon. I mean, you could easily block
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Speaker 1: your phone and call nine one one to save your
26:58
Speaker 1: friend's life if you were afraid, you get pegged with
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Speaker 1: the murder. But none of that happened. No. One of
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Speaker 1: the first things that you look at us and investigated
27:06
Speaker 1: when someone says this is a quote accident, as you
27:09
Speaker 1: look at whether or not their actions following this supposed
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Speaker 1: accident or consistent with it being an accident, or consistent
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Speaker 1: with it being something else, you're spot on with this.
27:18
Speaker 1: He could have called ninel one, he could have taken
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Speaker 1: a variety of actions, but the actions that he took
27:23
Speaker 1: led him to be where he's at today. And you know,
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Speaker 1: you talk about compassionate release, what about the compassion for
27:28
Speaker 1: these victims and their families. You know, when we're talking about,
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Speaker 1: you know, liability. You know, if you look at liability,
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Speaker 1: who's got the better case on liability? The poor gal
27:38
Speaker 1: that's in there for disorderly conduct, who's made to stay
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Speaker 1: in the coronavirus infected jail, or the murderer. Well, I
27:44
Speaker 1: guarantee you that a case can be made to let
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Speaker 1: the guy out who's in there on disorderly conduct a
27:50
Speaker 1: lot quicker than the guy who's in there from murder.
27:52
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I do not think that low
27:55
Speaker 1: level crimes like misdemeanors, the extremely elderly, those that are
27:58
Speaker 1: already sick, they should be given release. As much as
28:02
Speaker 1: I don't like it, I think that's the right thing
28:04
Speaker 1: to do. But not people like Cruise, but two dead
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Speaker 1: bodies under his belt. Take a listen to our friends
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Speaker 1: Fox twenty six Houston, Randy Wallace. When we were first
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Speaker 1: told about the compassionate releases. The inmates considered were described
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Speaker 1: as those in their fifties and sixties with health problems
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Speaker 1: and non violent offenses. That doesn't describe twenty eight year
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Speaker 1: old David Cruz. A judge released Cruise on a PR
28:29
Speaker 1: bond because Cruz was afraid of catching COVID nineteen. Happy
28:36
Speaker 1: Birthday to twenty seven year old Kristen Tristan won't be
28:45
Speaker 1: singing Happy Birthday to his mother anymore, and she won't
28:49
Speaker 1: be celebrating his birthday next week. Kristin Tristan was shot
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Speaker 1: to death last August, allegedly at the hands up twenty
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Speaker 1: seven year old David Cruz. Tristan, who was still reeling
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Speaker 1: from Christian's death, found out Wednesday her son's alleged killer,
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Speaker 1: David Cruz, was released from jail on a PR bond,
29:08
Speaker 1: meaning he didn't have to pay a dime. I don't
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Speaker 1: know what to think anymore. I don't know what to think. Well,
29:14
Speaker 1: it's not just these two. There are allegians of violent
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Speaker 1: offenders getting released. So not only do we have to
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Speaker 1: worry about our children's safety and our safety and sheltering
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Speaker 1: at home, self isolation quarantine, we now have to worry
29:29
Speaker 1: about these guys getting up. Have you ever heard the
29:32
Speaker 1: name Richard Lundy? If you haven't, you will now take
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Speaker 1: a list of to our friends at w j W
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Speaker 1: Fox eight. Cleveland, Authornities have arrested day Lakewood man for
29:41
Speaker 1: the murder of his son. The Acron Division of the
29:44
Speaker 1: Northern Ohio Violent Fugitive Task Force found Richard Lundy. They say.
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Speaker 1: The forty one year old was arrested nine years ago
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Speaker 1: and later convicted of three counts of felonious assault. Lundy
29:56
Speaker 1: had been released from a state prison in September. His
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Speaker 1: child and Syria's head trauma and died in April of
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Speaker 1: this year as a result of three separate assaults. Lakewood
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Speaker 1: police charge Lundy with aggravated murder last month, What if anything,
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Speaker 1: do we know about Richard Lundy now being released because
30:16
Speaker 1: of the coronavirus scare? You know, I want to go
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Speaker 1: first to you, Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor forensic jacksonvill State University.
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Speaker 1: Fill me in on Lundy and what your take is
30:28
Speaker 1: on coronavirus behind bar threat. You know, this is something
30:31
Speaker 1: that we're experiencing nationwide in circumstances that are close quarters.
30:36
Speaker 1: And let me kind of break this down. Even the
30:38
Speaker 1: military at this point, when you look at basic training
30:43
Speaker 1: sites like the Navy, the Air Force, and the Army,
30:45
Speaker 1: and particularly Marines, just came out with a distancing issue.
30:50
Speaker 1: And when people live in close proximity to one another, Nancy,
30:53
Speaker 1: it can get really nasty in there. You're breathing, you're coughing,
30:57
Speaker 1: and in these environments, in these prisons, and they're like
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Speaker 1: these dirty little Petrie dishes that you have in science
31:04
Speaker 1: class when you're a kid, where you're trying to get
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Speaker 1: viruses to grow, and it's really really hard to get
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Speaker 1: these things cleaned out. So my thought is, I don't
31:14
Speaker 1: understand what the rationale is with releasing violent offenders when
31:18
Speaker 1: they could let the lesser charged out and then spread
31:23
Speaker 1: these violent offenders out even a cells with distance between
31:28
Speaker 1: these individuals, and scrub these vacated cells and put people
31:31
Speaker 1: in there where you can knock it down. Because listen,
31:34
Speaker 1: this is not like something. This virus is not like
31:37
Speaker 1: something it just poof and banishes. You have to stay
31:40
Speaker 1: on top of this. It's just like I've been saying
31:43
Speaker 1: all along, we don't talk about well people are cured
31:46
Speaker 1: of the flu. We talk about it in a sense
31:48
Speaker 1: of a season, and so the flu season eventually passes.
31:53
Speaker 1: This too will pass, but we have to be careful. Well,
31:56
Speaker 1: I agree. I think that we have to be compassionate
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Speaker 1: to people behind bars, but risking innocent people on the
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Speaker 1: outside by releasing violent offenders is not the answer. Crime
32:22
Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, today we are talking about
32:26
Speaker 1: Corona virus crimes, the next wave. We hardly know where
32:31
Speaker 1: to start, but I want to tell you about a
32:34
Speaker 1: protest and threats to commit suicide by detainees in an
32:40
Speaker 1: Alabama correctional facility. Listen, Oh yeah, I'm alive. Rola's love.
32:48
Speaker 1: It's love, It's love. You feel me. They're not caring.
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Speaker 1: They got three positive tested for the coronavirus. They here
32:56
Speaker 1: with us. They brought them in here today while we
32:59
Speaker 1: was sleeping, and they not tality, not trying to let
33:02
Speaker 1: them out of here. We're telling them, y y'all gotta
33:04
Speaker 1: take them out of here or we're gonna turn up
33:06
Speaker 1: in here. They're threatened it to shoot us with tasers
33:09
Speaker 1: and pellet guns and tear gas and all that. You
33:12
Speaker 1: feel said, like, guys, you are hearing sound from the
33:18
Speaker 1: Washington Post that it's live. Facebook video from a smuggled
33:22
Speaker 1: cell phone in Alabama, inmates at the facility Ottawa County,
33:26
Speaker 1: Alabama used a smuggle cell phone to record their protest
33:31
Speaker 1: and it went live. This is what we know. The
33:35
Speaker 1: detainees and the facility were angry because three ICE detainees
33:42
Speaker 1: were transported to the facility with a fourth inmate who
33:47
Speaker 1: was wearing a face mask, and they assumed he had coronavirus.
33:52
Speaker 1: So the inmates were angry. These three detainees were released
33:57
Speaker 1: amongst them. They then made who made nooses out of sheets,
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Speaker 1: got up on a second floor ledge and threatened to
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Speaker 1: commit suicide. Okay, to doctor ANGELA. Arnold, psychiatrists joining us
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Speaker 1: out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, what do you make of
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Speaker 1: it sounds to me like the inmates are I mean,
34:17
Speaker 1: I would be I would be worried. I would be scared.
34:21
Speaker 1: But it sounds like they're upping their auntie so that
34:24
Speaker 1: someone will listen to them. They're not really going to
34:27
Speaker 1: commit suicide, but they'd want to be heard. I don't
34:31
Speaker 1: understand why these coronavirus infected people will put into the
34:35
Speaker 1: same population. Can't they separate people? But first of all,
34:38
Speaker 1: we don't know they had coronavirus. We know that the
34:41
Speaker 1: three ICE detainees were in a transport van with a
34:45
Speaker 1: guy that had on a face mask. The three detainees
34:49
Speaker 1: have been tested. I think that there are answers, but
34:53
Speaker 1: I get I agree with you, doctor Angela. I would
34:56
Speaker 1: be afraid behind bars. I would be afraid for my
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Speaker 1: loved one if they were behind bars. The reality what
35:05
Speaker 1: do we do with it, Kathleen Murphy, open the doors
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Speaker 1: and let everybody out of jail. What's the answer, Well,
35:11
Speaker 1: you think about it this way, Nancy. Think about all
35:13
Speaker 1: the people that have to monitor the ankle bracelets. Think
35:16
Speaker 1: about all the probation officers. Think about all the employees
35:20
Speaker 1: over at the courthouse. Who's got to monitor whether they're
35:23
Speaker 1: commitment complying with the drug or alcohol restrictions. It takes
35:28
Speaker 1: just as many people to monitor these ICE individuals as
35:33
Speaker 1: it does to monitor them in the detention. And it
35:36
Speaker 1: comes to the comes down to are they violent or
35:39
Speaker 1: are they not violent? I think you're right. I think
35:42
Speaker 1: non violent offenders such as dope addicts, maybe even low
35:48
Speaker 1: level dope dealers with maybe you know, three to five
35:51
Speaker 1: hits a crack or the equivalent. Not talking about drug
35:54
Speaker 1: lords shoplifters, low level, I'm theft of cars. That type
36:02
Speaker 1: of crime should be disorderly conduct, misdemeanors of local ordinance violators.
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Speaker 1: Those should be let out. I don't know the answer
36:11
Speaker 1: for the others. I want to tell you about another.
36:14
Speaker 1: When you think go ahead, jump in, I'm sorry but
36:17
Speaker 1: jumping into here. My first thought was, is Bernie Madoff
36:22
Speaker 1: a nonviolent offender? Because he's seeking compassionate release right now
36:26
Speaker 1: from a federal prison in North Carolina. And I just
36:29
Speaker 1: think about that person who's done so much damage to
36:33
Speaker 1: so many people, but yet he's non violent. So yeah,
36:36
Speaker 1: now we're down to splitting hairs trying to find Yeah,
36:39
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I don't want him out. But
36:42
Speaker 1: if we're letting out non violent offenders, would he be one.
36:45
Speaker 1: Here's another coronavirus crime threat. You need to be worried
36:49
Speaker 1: about door to door coronavirus testing. Talking about like encyclopedias
36:55
Speaker 1: or vacuum cleaners. Take a listen to our friends at
36:57
Speaker 1: ABC thirty Fresne Warren Armstrong. The Portaville Fire Department is
37:01
Speaker 1: warning residents of scammers roaming neighborhoods tonight. They're impersonating police
37:05
Speaker 1: officers and firefighters claiming they have tests for COVID nineteen.
37:09
Speaker 1: Authorities say residents have reported seeing the impersonators go door
37:12
Speaker 1: to door attempting to sell fake tests for the coronavirus.
37:16
Speaker 1: Firefighters say a test would never be issued at someone's door,
37:19
Speaker 1: and if you see these scammers, call nine one one.
37:22
Speaker 1: And it's not just there in Fresno. Take listen to
37:25
Speaker 1: WPTV West Palm Beach, Florida. This is Maris Babcock. If
37:31
Speaker 1: you get a knock on the door, officials are warning
37:33
Speaker 1: beware of people peddling scams tied to the coronavirus pandemic.
37:38
Speaker 1: We talked to a man in Boca Raton who says
37:40
Speaker 1: it happened to him. It's just a shame that there
37:43
Speaker 1: are people scamming already with such a terrible thing going on.
37:47
Speaker 1: Boca Raton resident more Zumansky was getting his home ready
37:50
Speaker 1: and Casey had to self quarantine when two strangers showed up.
37:54
Speaker 1: They were knocking on doors asking people if they wanted
37:57
Speaker 1: coronavirus test for three hundred bucks. Yeah. Well, they weren't
38:02
Speaker 1: getting three cents out of me. I was ready to
38:04
Speaker 1: call the police immediately. The scammers were dressed in Florida
38:07
Speaker 1: business casual attire and had plastic bags and Q tips,
38:11
Speaker 1: but no gloves, masks, or credentials. So I says, I'm
38:15
Speaker 1: going to call my doctor to make her it's okay.
38:19
Speaker 1: By the time I got back to the door, they
38:21
Speaker 1: were gone. More's called what is the address of the emergency?
38:25
Speaker 1: There's some people that came to my door yesterday that
38:28
Speaker 1: offered me a coronavirus test and also sent this text
38:31
Speaker 1: to his friends. You feel like this was a scam, right? Oh? Definitely.
38:36
Speaker 1: I don't think CDC or our Boca Health department is
38:43
Speaker 1: going to send people to your door unless you know
38:47
Speaker 1: you know about it beforehand, you during rite, it's a scam.
38:50
Speaker 1: People are waiting five and six hours in a line
38:53
Speaker 1: for drive through testing right now. The CDC has not
38:57
Speaker 1: released mass tests for the public. They show up at
39:01
Speaker 1: your door. Coronavirus is extremely dangerous and communicable, so why
39:08
Speaker 1: would they come to your home to do such a
39:12
Speaker 1: sensitive test. To Tina Moore joining us from the New
39:15
Speaker 1: York Post, the do door to door coronavirus testing scam
39:21
Speaker 1: is taking over the country, Tina, Great, I mean people
39:24
Speaker 1: need to stay informed. They need to stay informed with
39:26
Speaker 1: various sources of things to know what's going on, because,
39:28
Speaker 1: like you said, anybody who's watched TV or read newsaper
39:31
Speaker 1: stories would see that people are reading in line and
39:34
Speaker 1: see how hard it is to get tests and see
39:36
Speaker 1: how few tests are are available, and would know that
39:37
Speaker 1: that's yes when the person shows up at their door.
39:40
Speaker 1: You know, that's a technical legal term that I like
39:42
Speaker 1: to throw around whenever possible. Tina, I didn't know you
39:45
Speaker 1: had your law degree. The b S factor you know
39:48
Speaker 1: to James Shelnu twenty seven years Metro major case SWAT
39:52
Speaker 1: now lawyer James Shelnu, how do we catch these guys?
39:56
Speaker 1: You know, you rely heavily on the public to call
39:58
Speaker 1: whether they're there. Yeah, you know quite often, you know,
40:01
Speaker 1: you don't know who they are, as this guy says,
40:03
Speaker 1: until the police actually show up and identify them. So
40:05
Speaker 1: calling nine one one immediately after they're at your door,
40:09
Speaker 1: or if you see people that you suspect maybe doing this,
40:12
Speaker 1: the best thing is for police to catch them on sight.
40:14
Speaker 1: You know. Unfortunately, one of the things that you see
40:16
Speaker 1: and we have always seen over the years with these
40:19
Speaker 1: people who scam people as they go for people often
40:22
Speaker 1: who are vulnerable, vulnerable ability, whether or not it is
40:26
Speaker 1: a senior citizen, whether or not that it is. People
40:28
Speaker 1: who are in a panic about the coronavirus being vulnerable
40:32
Speaker 1: is their number one target, and although that's not always
40:35
Speaker 1: the case, that's the first ones that's on their list.
40:37
Speaker 1: And the reality is to you Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor
40:40
Speaker 1: forensics an author, Joe Scott. We are told to stay
40:45
Speaker 1: home where and be safe, but with people like these scameras,
40:48
Speaker 1: we're not there. This is either a way to get
40:51
Speaker 1: your credit card information, your money, or as a distraction
40:55
Speaker 1: robbery attempt, get distracted, get the victim distracted with a
40:59
Speaker 1: fake ronavirus test and then rob them or worse. Yeah,
41:03
Speaker 1: you're right, and people are terrified. Let's just let's go
41:06
Speaker 1: ahead and put that on the table. People are terrified.
41:08
Speaker 1: They're sitting at home, they're watching a lot of news,
41:11
Speaker 1: they're jesting all this information. So we've got heightened anxiety anyway,
41:15
Speaker 1: and it kind of dovetail what James was saying. I'd
41:19
Speaker 1: also recommend calling the county health department as well, and
41:22
Speaker 1: also if you can't get through to them, talk to
41:24
Speaker 1: the people in your emergency management department, because trust me,
41:27
Speaker 1: those people are on top of this and they know
41:31
Speaker 1: what's going on. Relative to available testing, you can get
41:34
Speaker 1: testing in your area, perhaps, if not today, sometime very soon.
41:39
Speaker 1: But don't trust somebody that just comes up to your door.
41:41
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, don't even open the door.
41:43
Speaker 1: Don't even the camel's nose and the tent his tail
41:47
Speaker 1: will surely follow. Coronavirus, hoaxes, terroristic threats, murder suspects released
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Speaker 1: door to door cons Be careful, stay safe. Nancy Grace
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