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EDP33: Perth, Melbourne, Chicago Marathon Preview / UK Coach Banned / Grand Slam Athletes get paid! (half) · Easy Double podcast

• 0:28
  Hello, welcome back to the Easy Double Podcast episode 33.
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  It's Sunday afternoon in Perth, it's Sunday morning in Ireland.
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  We've dragged Owen out of bed early, pretty long run to get
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  him on board. So how you doing Owen?
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  Yeah, a few time changes, but no, we got there in the end.
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  We make it work. So no, it's good to be chatting
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  to you guys. Yeah, your your Sunday afternoon
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  overtime is through the cat amongst the pigeons a little
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  this week, hasn't it? Yeah, I have to do a bit of work
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  later on today. It's a once in a blue moon sort
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  of thing. But no, no, we make it work here
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  at the Easy Double. And then the standard Sunday
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  afternoon evening F1 race always being in the mix also.
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  We try and work around that when we can, don't we?
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  Yeah, yeah, absolutely. United got out of the way and
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  yesterday with a massive win against European title
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  contender, European contenders Sunderland.
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  So yeah, big win, new keeper, a clean sheet, which is great to
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  hear. But I'm yeah, no, I'm happy.
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  I was hopeful we weren't going to go down the football chat
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  this week given the past seven days for Liverpool. 3 losses in
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  a row is it? Yeah, I hope you know it feels
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  now. The the only silver line is if
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  if people listened to last week, then I did foresee the points
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  drop against Crystal Palace coming.
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  Yeah, but that's not something you want to be smug about.
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  But you just have been playing very, very poor and it was going
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  to catch up on years eventually. It's like last year you spent no
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  money and years are really good. This year you spend a shit load
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  of money and years are like poor.
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  It's it's weird way it works. It is long season.
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  We'll see. But yeah, last week I was like
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  05 points clear, like too easy, blah blah, blah, and now we're
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  not even top six point swing in a week.
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  Yeah. Oh yeah.
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  There you go. Dean.
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  How are you doing mate? Good.
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  Good. Yep, Sunday afternoon here.
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  So no, a little bit warmer in Perth, but only just then that
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  all we're talking ahead of the chat.
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  I think it's starting to get pretty cool over there and it's
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  uncharacteristically a little bit cool today, I think, in
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  Perth. Perhaps we'll chat about it more
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  later, but how are you feeling after like kind of like a big
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  four weeks cross training in terms of like energy levels and
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  stuff? Bit tired, almost like I'm back
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  training, which is probably good, yeah.
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  Yeah, I must admit, yesterday, once we got back from that ride,
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  genuinely, I felt like I'd done a marathon session or something,
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  you know, like the just general fatigue, like tiredness, hunger
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  and all that sort of stuff. It's, it's nice to feel that
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  again. But then it's also like, oh
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  shit, this is like what you, what you want to feel like.
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  And then it comes on and it doesn't feel so good, does it?
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  Yeah, no, it's nice to be reacquainted with it.
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  Yeah, we can get into it in our training weeks, but we've sort
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  of we're crossing over Owen. It's a bit bit sad, but we've
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  yeah, we've been joining the front runner triathlon group for
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  a few workouts, so I've. Seen that?
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  I've seen some videos RAF put up.
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  Yeah. And I'm like, I'd love to be
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  there, but yeah, user in the Cyclone pack now, huh?
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  Yeah, it's been good. It's been good.
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  And it's been like, yeah, it's interesting, It's good.
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  Good insight into sort of we, Brian and I were talking about
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  this after we get dropped. It's a good appreciation for how
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  good some of the, you know, how good these guys are guys and
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  girls are and how to a degree some of this stuff translates,
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  but to a degree it doesn't. But it's just been for us, I
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  think just, you know, getting our heart rates up.
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  So not being too bad. So you're backtracking on saying
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  they're not average at everything.
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  Who said that? That must have been Ryan, not
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  there. Who said that?
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  No, it was blue Owen. Oh.
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  Yeah, I said that. I'll say that they're
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  outstanding at everything. Yeah, exactly.
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  No, I don't think Ralph has too much appreciation for how the
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  fitness crosses over, though. Owen because free the ride.
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  He's like, oh, Dean Ryan, new bullies will be all right, just
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  like cruise out with them. Just stay in the back, don't do
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  any work. And then once you get to the
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  hills, your your fitness will take over.
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  You'll be fine. So it was actually the other way
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  around. So we cruised out with them, but
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  it felt well to me felt like a bloody fart lack effort anyway,
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  like just to stay attached. And then as soon as we hit the
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  hill, all the cyclists just boom off and me and Dean, like
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  they're just crawling up. Umm and how's your heart rate on
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  these cycles? Because I'm now sort of doing a
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  bit of cycling with mine and I can't get my heart rate up.
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  Now it is only on a stationary bike, but I feel like my quads
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  are so deconditioned to cycling, like it's a totally different
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  way of using your quad muscle or something like that.
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  And I can't get my hair up at all.
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  So I we cycled for two hours and 40 minutes yesterday, which
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  included like some efforts up hills cheering it.
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  Umm and it got spicy early. Like the guys, I think we're
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  trying to ensure that it was on a Stephen on the way to the
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  hills. But my average heart rate was
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  156, which like if I'm jogging it's like 1:30.
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  If I'm doing a steady run, it's 1:50.
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  So this was like I was suffering for over 2 hours.
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  So yeah, it was pretty like if I'm riding by myself is is I
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  find it hard to get my heart rate up.
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  But in that sort of environment where you're really just
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  struggling to stay attached, it was it was hard.
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  And this is just, I'll probably only feel this one but like my
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  ass does be so sore when I'm on the bike.
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  Do you have like the padded shorts And like, do they
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  actually make a difference? So I've always, yeah, so I
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  always wear them. Ryan's just new to the padded
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  short game, so he's he's just getting there.
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  I've got a few updates for his actually, because last recording
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  was pre that bloody gravel rider went and done last weekend,
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  wasn't it? So to answer your first question
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  now. And I done that and my heart
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  rate hit 175 after 15 minutes just trying to stay attached.
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  And then the average for the whole thing was 160.
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  So yeah, like over 2 1/2 hours, 160 beats, it gave me a training
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  load like the same as Ballarat Marathon.
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  But like the next day you feel so much better, obviously
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  because you haven't like smashed your body, but hopefully time
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  will tell you actually get decent fitness effects from it.
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  And yeah, on the short thing, remember I said that I bought
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  some like the Lycra, but I didn't have the shoes and stuff.
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  So it turns out on the morning I went to put the shorts on and as
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  seen on the label it said women's.
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  Give him the Dean. Dean wears them all anyway.
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  I still would have warned them. I mean, why would you not have
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  any padding? Because the padding was like, I
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  assume it was supporting the female genitalia like all the
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  way around the fronts, and it was rather uncomfortable.
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  But what about your Gooch? You would have been in so much
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  pain. Yeah, well, usually when I'm
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  riding by myself, well when me and you were doing some like the
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  intensity isn't that much and my ass seems to be like accustomed
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  to it. But then jumping in that and
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  after about half an hour, I was like, Oh no, this is like a long
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  day for the for the backside here.
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  So have you got some now or no? No, I went to swap them and he
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  didn't have any men's. Jesus.
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  Well, yeah, you should get them because it makes such a
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  difference. Because absent that, yeah, I
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  mean, particularly for me, because part of my problem is in
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  that area. So I'm always wearing something.
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  And I did go out and buy some proper, proper stuff during the
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  week. Actually got some off ref which
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  was very good. And then since now and then the
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  Cupeteer interview came out on Wednesday.
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  So on the bike chat as well. Hopefully people kind of took
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  something from that very insightful in terms of their
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  training insights and how they manage their load.
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  So yeah, we've we've had some good feedback on that.
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  So really, really glad about that one.
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  You boys tuned in. Yeah, absolutely.
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  I love that. And I think just his total
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  outlook on like the cross training and the fact that what
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  he's doing is working for Cole Hawker.
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  So he's like, I'm keeping up with Cole in training, so it's
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  only a matter of time before it clicks at me.
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  And yeah, I just love that belief he has in himself.
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  And like, you sort of have to be your own biggest fan in a way.
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  So yeah. And that was cool.
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  Yeah, I particularly liked him talking about how he, you know,
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  in terms of on his non workout days, if he's doing like a bit
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  of a swim at zone 2 in the morning, maybe it flushes your
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  legs as well as does some decent cardio.
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  But it's like a way of, you know, de risking his himself in
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  terms of injury, right. It was, yeah, it was pretty cool
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  in the use, use of the Ultra G and those sorts of things.
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  Like, yeah, it just sounds like that him and his coach have a a
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  really good idea of what's working for them.
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  And then just contextualizing, like if he he's so close to to
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  placing in one of those trials and being at these championships
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  that really he's desperate to want to be in.
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  And if he is, then, you know, he's really in contention to do
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  very well at those championships.
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  So he feels so unlucky in the sense of like he's on the cusp
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  of doing something great. And so it will be really
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  interesting following him. You just sort of feel for him
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  quite a bit, right, Because after World champs, there's not
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  anything straight away. So which is why he sort of took
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  some time to decompress and go on holiday and stuff.
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  But it's a bit of a long road now because next year is what is
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  it Europeans com games like, I don't even know what they what
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  the US has. And that's a particular focus,
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  right? Maybe.
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  Lacrosse. There's the world indoors as
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  well, but maybe like, I mean, he'd probably do it.
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  But yeah, it's. They don't have a 5K, do they?
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  Is it like 15 and 3K maybe? Yeah, yeah.
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  The three K could be even be his sweet spot because like he's
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  really fit for the 5K. He loves the 15.
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  So meet in the middle, do the three.
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  Yeah, yeah, it'll be fun. Follow and because they post on
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  YouTube, right, we'll be able to follow it, which is cool.
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  Like, are we able to say like he's a friend?
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  You know, people say our friend of the show Like, can we say
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  like Cooper tears like a friend of the show now.
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  You can say what you want. You seem to.
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  If Cooper tear friend of the show and sort of he's friends
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  with called Hawker. So like Olympic champion, friend
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  of the show called Hawker. We're getting there boys.
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  We'll. See on, on the Ulcer G show you
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  made Dean as well thanks to Kerry more and I think it was
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  who wrote in on the back of what you were suggesting last week
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  about potential use of Ulcer G in terms of return from injury.
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  And she gave us a really good suggestion as to how we might
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  access the one locally available in BC Park, with the use of
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  private health insurance to offset some of the costs.
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  Yeah, it's a great shout out. I think it's that's probably
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  done enough for me now to actually make them.
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  I'm going to give it a shot. I think I'll see Steve during
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  the week and then if I get the OK two, I'll start incorporating
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  a bit of that, which will be fun.
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  And there were some calls for a formal segment to be introduced
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  on the back of the Cupidia chat, which Cooper coined himself as
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  cat chat. So we'll see how we get on.
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  It seems to have been a bit of an ad hoc segment anyway, but
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  don't want to isolate any listeners who are dog people
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  because I know it's people are strongly opinionated on cats
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  versus dogs. So yeah, we'll maybe just keep
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  it softly for now. Yeah, we're quick to not have an
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  opinion on things, so that fair enough.
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  Yeah, you've always sitting on the fence.
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  The Easy Double diplomats and last little thing as well before
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  we get into the episode formally, we do Exciting
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  announcement really. We've got some caps available
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  with the Easy double logo on and training caps.
• 13:03
  They've gone out for purchase in the clubhouse and a fair few
• 13:06
  people have snapped them up to be fair, so we'll put the
• 13:09
  remainder of them. By the time you listen to this,
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  there'll be a post on the Instagram obviously showing you
• 13:14
  what the cap looks like and how to buy it.
• 13:17
  It'll just be through a Stripe checkout link.
• 13:20
  They're $30 plus $10 postage. However, that converts to the
• 13:24
  currency that you choose to pay in, and we can ship them
• 13:28
  worldwide, although that might be at a bit of a cost to us, but
• 13:31
  we're willing to do that if there's support out there.
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  So I'm working on the Instagram. I'm working on the European,
• 13:38
  European side of things, so give me a couple of weeks and I
• 13:41
  should get them set up over here.
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  All right then the episode is we don't really have any run
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  results as Cardiff half going on pretty much this afternoon.
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  I know Jake Smith and Callum Hawkins.
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  Dean, your good old buddy from the was it.
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  This way. Bitter sway.
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  Yeah, 2018. Remember it like it was
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  yesterday. They're both featuring there.
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  So yeah, we don't have the results right now, but if you're
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  interested to see how Jake Smith and Callum Hawkins got on then
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  just give that a check. We've got plenty of news items
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  though. We've got next week coming up,
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  Chicago Marathon, Perth Marathon, Melbourne Marathon.
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  There was a British coast coach suspended in the week and kind
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  of some details came out about that case.
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  The world indoor standards for Poland in March have been
• 14:30
  released. As always, there's been some
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  more drugs news, Sebco is wanting to make some random
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  changes to the Olympics, and again, another update on the
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  Grand Slam track funding case. So we'll get into some of that.
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  I guess. First off, Owen, you raced last
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  week, didn't you? So do you want to kind of give
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  us an update on your training week and how your race went and
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  stuff? Yeah, one SEC.
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  So Sunday was sort of just like so we record on the Saturday,
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  Sunday. So just like a spur of the
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  moment sort of race and it was actually the star to see one.
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  So Andrew Coskarans club host a cross country race every year
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  and it's just run out for being like hard.
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  So I said like I didn't know what the competition was going
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  to be like and well, I saw that it was going to be weaker than
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  like just general. So I said I'd do it just like
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  jump in a pair of spikes, do a hard cross country course and
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  sort of like condition the legs a little, umm, like I was doing.
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  I don't like a 20 minute warm up, but on the warm up I like
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  rolled my ankle. So I've sort of like off like
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  when we're talking cross country here, we're talking like a field
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  where literally just sticks in it to like outline the course.
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  So if you're not running on the racing line, it's like cattle
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  have been on that field. So it's really uneven and like
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  races were going on. So I was just trying to like
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  stay outside and just like jog a bit of the course and I'm sure
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  didn't roll my ankle. And I've got terrible like I
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  don't know what it is, but in my family, but we've all have like
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  glass ankles and so, and when I was a kid, I was on the family
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  gate, fell on my foot. So like I sort of, it's really
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  weird, but on my leg left foot, I should have two ankles.
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  So where your ankle isn't below that I have another bump and and
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  if I go over in the ankle, I just do ligaments straight away.
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  So umm yeah, with over the ankle in the warm up pretty sore.
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  And then I got my spikes on hand went over my ankle again.
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  So I was like, oh, here, this is just not meant to be same.
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  I rather yeah. So anyway, I've done the course
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  around the race, won it and it's just like a nice head out to
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  sort of like there's not a flap it in the course.
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  It was up and down like it's probably going to be the hardest
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  course I've run all year. And the legs were sort of like
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  Jelly in the end. So like I got the effect of a
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  race, which was which was good. And then on Monday I had just
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  easy jog in the morning. And umm, your ankle out like
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  immediately after the race? Like was it sore or umm it just
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  it was OK but then maybe a bit stiff bit later on.
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  No, it was sore. So umm I didn't do a cool down.
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  I just went home and went on the bike for a cool down and like it
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  like anytime I go on the ankle like it's sort of sore for like
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  4 to 5 days and like I can jog on it.
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  It's just like not ideal. So umm yeah, like Monday morning
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  I got out for 45 minute jog and I was ground.
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  How did your knee get on as well?
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  Remember you were talking about your shaved knee and stuff.
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  So the knee is like, it's still not 100% but like it's, I feel
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  like the bit of cycling I'm doing is helping a lot.
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  It's like I rarely have like, so let's say on a Monday.
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  So basically my week, Monday I run in the morning and instead
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  of Dublin on a run, I cycle just to give it a little break.
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  Tuesday is a double run, Wednesday is a full cycle.
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  Thursdays are on, Fridays off. It's like I'm not over like it's
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  getting a nice little break between runs.
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  And so I feel like I just need to do this for a little bit,
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  just get it used to it because I think I did like maybe overload
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  it a little bit. And like I went from having a
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  rest week to like doing a little bit like more running,
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  obviously. And I might just been a little
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  bit too much and lowered on it. And like these niggles happened.
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  Like you're going to pick up little things like so inside
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  your body might be a little bit tight.
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  And yeah, so look, it's I'm managing it and it's not.
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  So when I'm running, it's just like if I was to poke the area,
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  like it just doesn't feel 100% like the other.
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  Like if you get me. So I'll know more now later when
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  I do my 90 minute run because like I'll have run twice
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  yesterday. So it'll be interesting to see
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  how it fares. But yeah, so.
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  Any you purchase any locker for all this stationary barking, you
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  know. No, but I'm going to.
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  I just need to find some reasonable price.
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  It's expensive stuff, isn't it? Yeah, you can get some good
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  stuff online. Talking about Lycra on a
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  stationary bike, you've just reminded me of one of my friends
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  back home. He's a non runner but does like
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  kind of CrossFit style train and just in the gym and bit of
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  cardio, bit of weights, that type of thing.
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  And he got ridiculed once and he couldn't understand why because
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  he was doing a stationary bike whilst wearing a weighted vest.
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  Now surely that is like just completely contradictory and
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  does absolutely nothing. And he was like, well, what do
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  you mean I'm carrying an extra 10 KG And I was like, yeah, but
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  you physically going nowhere. It's.
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  Going to hurt your back. So yeah, in the morning I get
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  out for a 60 minute run and then Monday evening I just done 30
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  minutes on the bike. I actually sort of want to know
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  the ones with the ah, braces. Are they, do you know the likely
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  the braces? I think that would be cool.
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  I'm not trying to get for them. I'll, I'll send you a picture
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  later if you like on. But yeah, and I've got plenty of
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  them. Oh, yeah, yeah.
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  Tuesday I actually had my testing, actually Monday
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  evening, I had a chat with a nutritionist.
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  And so after the cycle, I hopped on a car with a nutritionist and
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  just give me a few little pointers on like what I can
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  change in my diet. So like in terms of like instead
• 20:21
  of having like, like brown foods, like sort of fill you for
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  longer. So let's say for lunch, instead
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  of having like a white bagel, sort of have like brown bread
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  and protein and all that and sort of have protein in every
• 20:34
  meal. And like if for dinner, if
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  you're having like a big lump of protein for dinner, like it's
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  not ideal to have a glass of milk because then the milk is
• 20:44
  competing. Like both of them are big
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  protein sources. So then they're competing
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  against each other to be absorbed into your body.
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  Whereas if you had like an orange juice on a protein or
• 20:54
  some an iron, like they work well together so they'll
• 20:57
  actually absorb with each other or stuff like that.
• 21:01
  So yeah. Did they do a bit of a console
• 21:07
  on like kind of your current diet at all?
• 21:09
  Did they like kind of review how you have been eaten and stuff?
• 21:13
  Yeah, so I sent him what I eat. Like I pretty much eat the same
• 21:17
  every week. So I just sent him on like my
• 21:19
  train and even though like my train and has changed a little
• 21:22
  now because of the sort of loading of my knee.
• 21:27
  So like I just told him what I was eating and like I wasn't
• 21:32
  under fueling. It's just like I can clean up
• 21:34
  areas to like stop sort of the snacking.
• 21:37
  So if I like for breakfast, I normally have 30 grams of votes.
• 21:41
  That's now going to be 45. I'm going to have more like
• 21:44
  seeds and nuts with the breakfast.
• 21:47
  So it sort of keeps me fuller for longer.
• 21:49
  So I won't need, let's say, a slice of two slices of toast at
• 21:53
  10 because the bigger breakfast will carry me through.
• 21:55
  I can have like a banana or something, just little things
• 21:58
  like that. Like I was pretty like I was
• 22:00
  doing all right. It's just now like I'm more
• 22:02
  confident that like, I'm properly fueling for my runs and
• 22:06
  like recovering better. So yeah, no.
• 22:10
  Was there any observation around like macros?
• 22:13
  Like in terms of, you know, you're eating plenty of one
• 22:17
  particular macro but not a, but you could be eating more of
• 22:21
  another. So, umm, like as runners, like
• 22:25
  we need carbs. Like fair enough.
• 22:28
  It's important to have protein. I probably was overdoing the
• 22:31
  protein a little bit. Like, I could have been going
• 22:33
  through like 30 eggs in a week, which is like probably too much.
• 22:40
  So like for my lunch now, like I've sort of cut out a lot of
• 22:43
  the eggs, but like, I don't need them if you get me.
• 22:46
  Yeah, so the Instagram egg stuff that wasn't like a one off,
• 22:50
  that's just a that's every day. How was this day?
• 22:54
  So yeah, just little things like that and just more brown
• 22:58
  basically. I wasn't eating like I've got
• 23:00
  brown pasta now I've got brown rice just to like sort of fill
• 23:03
  me up for longer and don't like no, no point of eating like a
• 23:08
  big meal too close to bed because then your body's just
• 23:10
  digesting. It sort of affects your sleep in
• 23:12
  just little things. I can like clean up.
• 23:14
  And again, like I'd recommend everyone to have a just chat
• 23:17
  with nutritionist because it's, it's even really good to talk
• 23:19
  about these sort of things. And I'm like, I'm putting away
• 23:24
  so many calories and like it's, it's good to have like a biscuit
• 23:27
  or like a sweet treat. So umm, yeah, I know.
• 23:30
  I feel like it was definitely, definitely, definitely
• 23:32
  beneficial. So Tuesday morning, got up early
• 23:35
  and I had to drive into Dublin city center, which everyone
• 23:38
  knows on a Tuesday is not ideal because everyone goes into the
• 23:43
  office on a Tuesday. So umm, got up early and drove
• 23:47
  into Dublin to do like a VO2 Max test.
• 23:49
  Oh, umm, yeah, hopped on the treadmill.
• 23:52
  They put it out like what was it 16 K an hour, 17 K an hour, 18K
• 23:58
  an hour on and on and on until I couldn't run anymore and umm,
• 24:02
  yeah, it was good. Umm, I got on my VO2, I got like
• 24:05
  a race ways and I got just like, I know my threshold is pretty
• 24:11
  weak and I just though like to be honest, everyone's threshold
• 24:15
  is pretty weak. But like for the like the level
• 24:18
  I'm at like it is relatively weak.
• 24:19
  So I just need to work on that a lot so I can like, alter my
• 24:22
  training a little bit. But umm.
• 24:25
  And did you umm, chat at all with you, with your coach about
• 24:29
  that? Like what you might look to to
• 24:31
  focus on? Yeah, just more again, just
• 24:34
  longer about that higher threshold.
• 24:35
  Yeah. Umm, just getting that lactate
• 24:38
  cleared, umm, because like, I could compare the tests from a
• 24:43
  test I'd done four years ago and like, my heart rate data was
• 24:47
  really, really good back then and the same now.
• 24:49
  So like heart rate is a really, really good training metric for
• 24:52
  me. So literally just like ditch to
• 24:54
  paces and like, just go by heart rate.
• 24:56
  Really. Like I know Jake Barclough is
• 25:00
  like totally like the other way. But I think with Jake, like he,
• 25:06
  he, I think for a lot of people, once you get a pretty decent
• 25:09
  gauge of your training zones, you can sort of you, you sort of
• 25:13
  more or less know and then what a like for you like this testing
• 25:16
  does. Is it sort of validate some of
• 25:18
  the, the things you were doing? And it sort of says, well, yes,
• 25:23
  when I'm training at these intensities, I am hitting at or
• 25:27
  above threshold or I am working like, like, I doubt you're
• 25:30
  wildly off you now. Just so feel really comfortable
• 25:33
  that your heart rate is really correlating really well with
• 25:37
  your lactate scores, right? Exactly, like I just have more
• 25:40
  confidence now in what? Like the zones are actually my
• 25:43
  zones and they'll be interested. I'll go back now in January as
• 25:47
  well just to like do another test to see if I've improved
• 25:49
  over like 3 months. Yeah.
• 25:51
  And so now you don't have to burn through as many lactate
• 25:54
  strips to sort of get comfortable that you're doing
• 25:55
  all these when you're doing all these workouts.
• 25:57
  And then if in three or six months when you get it tested
• 26:00
  again and you're trying to manipulate something in your
• 26:03
  training, you hope that you see a response, right?
• 26:05
  Exactly. Exactly.
• 26:08
  And so, yeah, is it, is it ideas of around like you still look to
• 26:13
  keep your double threshold and they'll, they'll like you might
• 26:16
  just do longer meteor threshold workouts that's.
• 26:21
  Sort of like that, yeah. Like again, like I'll see what
• 26:25
  the code like my coach puts out in the coming weeks.
• 26:28
  But yeah, it's going to stick at the.
• 26:30
  I think it is going to be double threshold for Sam.
• 26:35
  Like I'll see, like I really I need to chat with my coach about
• 26:38
  it fully cool. And yeah, cool.
• 26:40
  Just to see what happens. So did you get like a formal VO2
• 26:44
  Max? Go on LC1LC2.
• 26:47
  So I did get a formal VO. I think my VO Max is like 71,
• 26:52
  but I think that's really umm, it's sort of irrelevant.
• 26:55
  Everyone's different like field to Max like it's a normal that
• 26:58
  everyone's like, Oh my God. But like I actually don't think
• 27:01
  it means that much. And 71 like I genuinely don't
• 27:06
  know what that means. And my LT1LT2 I'm not too sure.
• 27:10
  I know my LT2 like I actually so my LT2 is between like heart
• 27:15
  rate wise, it goes up to like 182 to 176.
• 27:19
  So previously, like I would have thought that's way too high, but
• 27:23
  it's actually like not so like I can push that event and I was
• 27:27
  sort of under training, like I could sort of push that a little
• 27:30
  bit more. And so yeah, look, I just
• 27:36
  haven't. That's good tonight.
• 27:38
  Yeah, exactly. I'm not under training but I
• 27:40
  just have to be careful how to not cook it.
• 27:42
  My, yeah, yeah. Because I think we sort of guess
• 27:46
  mine might be around 181 to 185 sort of in that sort of a range
• 27:52
  for LT2. But yeah.
• 27:55
  And then you try and prove that by when you get your lactate
• 27:58
  test done that it's not through the roof, right?
• 28:01
  And that's the thing, like everyone is different.
• 28:03
  Like I was trying to tell I was like, all right, so my LT2
• 28:09
  should be between like 3:20 and 3:10 and he's like, no, it's
• 28:13
  between 176 beats per minute and 182 be.
• 28:16
  It could totally depend. That can vary on your training
• 28:19
  load, the conditions outside. It's literally don't go by time,
• 28:24
  go by your heart rate. Your heart doesn't lie.
• 28:26
  So yeah, look, I'd recommend everyone to do it, get it done.
• 28:30
  It's really, really cool. Even if you're just like a
• 28:32
  standard runner, it's interesting information.
• 28:35
  And for context for listeners now used to please correct me
• 28:39
  here, but I'm going to have a crack.
• 28:40
  So like LT1 and LT2, that's the two different lactate threshold
• 28:45
  inflection points. And the first one being kind of
• 28:49
  when you start to produce it and you're able to clear out,
• 28:52
  produce clear, produce clear. Whereas the second one is when
• 28:56
  the lactate rate exponentially increases and your body is not
• 29:01
  clearing it out at all. And you would use kind of each
• 29:05
  zone LT1 or LT2IN which type of efforts in training say?
• 29:10
  So that like I always thought like LT1 is like, like that
• 29:14
  steady state pace is just sitting on or around that that's
• 29:17
  what you can run for, for, you know, quite a long time.
• 29:21
  And then Lt. 2 is like, it's like true threshold or what you
• 29:25
  can sort of sustain for an hour. So yeah, so depending on what
• 29:30
  you, what you're trying to do, I suppose you're trying to lift,
• 29:34
  you're trying to run quicker at at all intensities.
• 29:36
  But yeah, depending on what, where where you're wanting to
• 29:40
  try and get that improvement, understanding where those
• 29:43
  inflection points are and training, you know, around them.
• 29:46
  So producing that amount of lactate, then your body adapting
• 29:50
  and then doing it again. So just going like 8 by AK where
• 29:53
  you're running your K reps just at all just above quicker than
• 29:58
  threshold pace. So you have hour pace, you're
• 30:01
  doing say 3 minutes or however long you need to do and then,
• 30:05
  you know, resting for a minute. So your body's getting, you
• 30:07
  know, you're spending time at that sort of effort.
• 30:10
  And then like your LT1, that's that's what we were doing with
• 30:14
  the 4 by 6 minutes with the a minute very, very easy, like
• 30:19
  just a more aerobic training. And it sounds like a lot of the
• 30:23
  double threshold, it's, it's, it's more, I think part of the
• 30:27
  benefit of doing double threshold is you're just getting
• 30:29
  to do more quality work in a given week.
• 30:32
  And so then you're able just to on aggregate do more.
• 30:35
  And then once you move into a specific block, you can actually
• 30:39
  do more, a bigger amount of specific work.
• 30:42
  And so you can get closer to the fire than what someone that was
• 30:45
  not doing as much could, because if they tried to do what you
• 30:48
  were doing, they weren't as well adapted to as much training, as
• 30:51
  much quality training that would likely overcook themselves
• 30:55
  basically. So I think the hope is when
• 30:57
  you're doing all this this work, once you start to sharpen the
• 31:00
  pencil, you're more likely to sharpen it a bit more than what
• 31:03
  someone else could. So LT1 might be comparable to
• 31:07
  like kind of marathon effort, marathon pace, somewhere around
• 31:10
  there, like a rate at which you can sustain for a prolonged
• 31:13
  period without getting into too much trouble.
• 31:17
  Perhaps, yeah, like it depends if you're a four hour marathon,
• 31:20
  then like steady stay LT1's like a good proxy.
• 31:23
  But like if you're getting closer to say 2 hours, you're
• 31:27
  probably running at 9596% of threshold.
• 31:30
  So 96% of threshold is is definitely above LT1, sort of in
• 31:35
  between them. So yeah, that that was my
• 31:40
  Tuesday morning then. Yeah, drove back out of Dublin
• 31:43
  and had to jump back into work. And then straight after work I
• 31:47
  got out for my second session which was.
• 31:50
  It's just before you explain this, it'd be hilarious if you
• 31:53
  now proceed to tell us that you blew up badly in this session or
• 31:56
  something. I sort of my track, local track
• 32:01
  is good for Diego because it's short, so it can never really
• 32:05
  get your case, but it's right. So you're always running.
• 32:07
  You're always running slower than what the watch.
• 32:10
  You certainly take like 7 to 5 seconds off or added on to the
• 32:14
  time you actually get, so it makes you feel really good.
• 32:17
  But that's right on my session, and the session was all right.
• 32:21
  This so complicated when you're reading it, but it was 2 sets of
• 32:27
  four minutes, 1/2 marathon pace, one minute float, 4 minutes a
• 32:34
  10K pace, one minute float, 4 minutes a 5K pace, 3 minute
• 32:40
  floats. Do it again.
• 32:43
  So it worked out like 31 minutes of work on the average race,
• 32:49
  like 315, but it was on the short track so you could add
• 32:53
  like 5 to 7 seconds. Humped it up but.
• 32:56
  So so 315 per your Garmin or per your like per your watch.
• 33:01
  Or when that Garmin up it says 315 average race.
• 33:04
  Yeah, but it's getting a bit of like Latin GPS mail on it.
• 33:09
  Oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
• 33:10
  Yeah, yeah. Umm some of the Pacers are
• 33:14
  feeling too comfortable and what they would be for umm yeah, umm
• 33:19
  and actually like I did feel relatively good.
• 33:22
  Like that's 10K and it like worth of work, umm, or 9.5 K
• 33:26
  worth of work. So umm yeah, it was, it was a
• 33:29
  good day. Umm Wednesday I didn't run, I
• 33:34
  just cycled for an hour and then my brother had a football final
• 33:38
  and so I didn't get to go to circuits.
• 33:40
  I missed out and went to the football final, which he
• 33:43
  unfortunately lost. His team has lost like 6 finals
• 33:46
  in the last two years, which is yeah, it's not a good show and
• 33:51
  they'll come good. And is that they they got it, Is
• 33:55
  it a bit between the ears now, do you reckon or was it just
• 33:58
  unlucky or? I hate to say it but the referee
• 34:01
  absolutely didn't give them anything.
• 34:06
  I'm not going to get help me at. The referee was very harsh and
• 34:08
  I'm like to be fair, the game should have been done ages
• 34:12
  because they missed so many goal chances and poor yeah.
• 34:16
  And by goal chances they're going for, like in Gaelic, you
• 34:20
  can go, is it called an over? What's it called when you go
• 34:24
  just over the a a point for the? Yeah, over.
• 34:27
  The yeah, you get one point for that.
• 34:29
  And they're shooting for for at for goals past the caper hay.
• 34:33
  Then that so like a soccer like yeah, into the net, which is 3
• 34:36
  points, yeah. And I was shooting and I would
• 34:39
  just what get it? Is it, what's the, what's the
• 34:41
  play? Normally, I guess you just make
• 34:43
  a call as you get approaching the goal as to whether or not
• 34:45
  you. Yeah.
• 34:47
  Yeah, exactly. And this year they actually
• 34:49
  changed it. So there's like another bigger
• 34:53
  like semi circle around the goal where if it's sort of like a
• 34:56
  basketball 3 point shot. So if you shoot from outside of
• 35:00
  that you get 2 points. And it's actually changed the
• 35:02
  game like a lot. So still encourage like distance
• 35:06
  shooting if you get me. So yeah.
• 35:12
  So if you are shooting would you go for like top corner rather
• 35:16
  than bottom corner? Because then it could still end
• 35:18
  up being A1 pointer if you miss the top corner or.
• 35:21
  See that's the thing. But I think it's easier for the
• 35:25
  keeper to go up then down. So down is better but it's
• 35:30
  higher risk. Whereas up like fair enough you
• 35:33
  might get a point but like the keeper can also get to it as
• 35:37
  well easier. What about if he like tips it
• 35:39
  over? Do you still get your points?
• 35:41
  Oh yes, still a point. Yeah, yeah.
• 35:43
  And so Thursday I done 60, a 60 minute run, but there was a
• 35:51
  pickup in the middle of it and let me just get the training
• 35:56
  program up. Sorry, it was after after 20
• 36:01
  minutes, I picked it up for 20 minutes and then just 20 minute
• 36:04
  flow at the end. So I picked it up to around like
• 36:06
  three 20s and just again to build that sort of like to get
• 36:11
  to the legs and then try and flush it out in the end.
• 36:15
  And so that one was 62 minutes, 16 kilometers.
• 36:20
  And then I done a heavy lift gym session after that and Friday,
• 36:25
  totally off chilling yesterday. Then Saturday I had hills.
• 36:29
  So I went up to the Phoenix Park in Dublin and we done 2 sets of
• 36:37
  them, 6 by 200 meter hills. And so yeah, again, tranche
• 36:44
  country season, you're building the base, so hills are just sort
• 36:47
  of a staple in that. And then that evening I got out
• 36:50
  for just a 45 minute jog. And then later on today, yeah,
• 36:56
  go on. Sorry, when you said we went to
• 36:59
  Phoenix Park, did you go with the guy you've done your long
• 37:02
  run with the other week? No, so I actually my coach
• 37:05
  coaches this other girl Sarah. So she was up there and it's
• 37:10
  actually a funny story. So we so I planned, I organized
• 37:15
  to go at 9:00 in the morning. But like living on a farm, you
• 37:19
  should never make these time goals or whatever.
• 37:23
  Because I got a phone call in the morning and I had to go down
• 37:25
  and do some farming. So my brother is also, he lost
• 37:28
  his semi final. So he's now doing a little bit
• 37:30
  of running to sort of like get fit.
• 37:32
  And umm, he, I told him that we're going at 9:00, but he was
• 37:38
  working at 9:00. So he was like, oh, can you push
• 37:41
  it back to 11? And I was like, no.
• 37:42
  And I just forgot to tell him the change of time.
• 37:45
  So then I text at the time changed to 11:00.
• 37:48
  So we pulled up to the Phoenix Park and Care Park and I was
• 37:52
  just getting changed and next to my brother hops out the car
• 37:54
  beside me and he's like, what are you doing here?
• 37:57
  So yeah, we're just huge joined as well.
• 37:59
  And my brother sort of like he sort of like a freak.
• 38:01
  He umm, he should really be doing the running and I should
• 38:04
  be playing the football. Like he was doing them 200 meter
• 38:07
  hills. And fair enough.
• 38:08
  Like he's more like fast twitch fiber.
• 38:10
  Umm, yeah. But Gina Mackey was like if he
• 38:14
  was beating me up on some of the hills, like he's, yeah, just.
• 38:16
  And he was out for eight weeks. He's only back running four
• 38:19
  weeks. So yeah, I got like, if he was
• 38:21
  actually a runner, he'd be, he'd be, he'd be serious and.
• 38:26
  This is a younger brother. He's 23, yeah.
• 38:30
  So, umm, yeah, that was hills. And then I done just on 45
• 38:35
  minutes yesterday. I know later on today I've got a
• 38:37
  90 minute run with some pickups in the middle of it.
• 38:41
  What sort? Of gradient, do you try and
• 38:43
  shoot for with the with the hills?
• 38:46
  I don't really like we were hitting around like 30 seconds
• 38:50
  going up the hills, so like it's.
• 38:53
  Not it's. Not super super steep but like
• 38:56
  there is a pole. Yeah.
• 38:58
  So like maybe 3-4 percent maybe. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 39:01
  It's not like you're still able to like mechanically, like it
• 39:03
  doesn't alter your mechanics, put it that way.
• 39:05
  But you're still a bit like move.
• 39:07
  You remember the grain mile that goes up through the middle of
• 39:09
  Kings Park? Would it be?
• 39:10
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, something like that.
• 39:12
  Yeah, and what's Phoenix Park like at the minute with Dublin
• 39:16
  Marathon later this month? Is it booming?
• 39:19
  Guys, it is absolutely not everyone underdog is out
• 39:24
  running. It's so cool to see.
• 39:26
  And like actually during the week.
• 39:28
  So Wednesday, Thursday, the heat wave came back.
• 39:32
  So it was like it was like 17. It was like really, really
• 39:37
  humid, but you could just feel that it was going to rain.
• 39:42
  So like that was the storm sort of coming in And then Friday
• 39:46
  pissed rain Saturday, like like you had to literally like it was
• 39:50
  so, so windy. And I think Cardiff Half
• 39:53
  Marathon there was a race on. Well, there was meant to be like
• 39:55
  a kids race on yesterday at the consulate because there was a
• 39:57
  massive storm. Like it's actually branches out
• 40:00
  on the roads. It was first time I proper
• 40:04
  missed Australia. Like it was cold West and just
• 40:07
  not nice. And so today it looks a lot
• 40:10
  calmer outside Porsche. Yeah.
• 40:14
  So I think that was the last little heat wave we'll get now,
• 40:17
  and it's going to be. Cold like this morning it was 9°
• 40:21
  feels like tree. So like I'm just literally like
• 40:23
  gloves on all the time now. So yes.
• 40:27
  What are we seeing you in right now?
• 40:28
  Is that a brunch coat? You got your rock in there.
• 40:31
  Wait, what do you call it? It's a dressing gown.
• 40:35
  Dressing gown. Dressing brunch coat.
• 40:37
  But yeah, dressing. Gown because normally like
• 40:39
  dressing gown or housecoat, OK, it's the big like debate.
• 40:43
  Well shit. Speaking of then, I owe an
• 40:46
  apology to our great British JB listeners about front crawl a
• 40:52
  couple of my. Seemingly so you got the the
• 40:55
  British fired up in the club, Little.
• 40:57
  Did I know? I think thankfully when we
• 40:59
  Aussies hopped in the water we didn't.
• 41:02
  We we were told freestyle put your arms over freestyle.
• 41:06
  But no, it was front crawl is what I've beaten.
• 41:10
  Was right. Yeah, apparently so.
• 41:13
  There's a few, a few listeners wrote in and British listeners
• 41:18
  wrote in and and in Ryan's defence and explained that front
• 41:23
  crawl is the term to describe what I would describe as
• 41:27
  freestyle. Yeah, but and that freestyle is
• 41:31
  you can do anything. So it's more of like a a term
• 41:34
  used in in swimming competition where you can choose any stroke,
• 41:40
  albeit that people tend to use front crawl so.
• 41:45
  Because it's probably the faster.
• 41:47
  Yeah, exactly. And we've lost Ryan.
• 41:49
  He sees, he's heard that and he's just, he's just dipped.
• 41:53
  He's just dipped off. He's he's got his win for the
• 41:56
  morning with the afternoon. And do you want to touch on your
• 42:01
  week then? Yeah, yeah.
• 42:04
  So Monday I didn't do too much. Monday was a like a public
• 42:10
  holiday or bank holiday here in Perth.
• 42:12
  So I did go to the gym. So I kept up my gym routine and
• 42:19
  we actually managed to convince house and I got Ryan down to
• 42:22
  join us. So we did our gym routine
• 42:24
  together. So Steve, the physio who's
• 42:28
  treated Ryan recently has was treating a couple of clients
• 42:32
  even though it was a public holiday.
• 42:34
  So we opened up the gym and we snuck in and got did a workout,
• 42:37
  which was good. Was he like watching yous do all
• 42:41
  the exercises or is it just like the gym beside the front runner
• 42:45
  HQ? Yeah, pretty much the gym, it's
• 42:47
  very much like that. So they've got to, they've
• 42:49
  opened up another office in Osborne Park, but he was
• 42:52
  consulting in the rooms in the rooms next door.
• 42:54
  But he'd written us, he's written both of us sort of
• 42:58
  programs that we need to sort of follow, which is specific to our
• 43:02
  injuries as well as I've been seeing SNC trainer on a Monday
• 43:08
  night as well. Who he house and I we've he he
• 43:12
  sort of gives garden in like facilitates a class for us for
• 43:16
  about 50 minutes on a Monday night.
• 43:18
  So we're basically following that program with updates that
• 43:23
  Steve gets us based on how we're progressing with regard to our
• 43:27
  injuries. Just saying Monday, Ryan, we
• 43:31
  were we're in the gym in Osborne Park when we working on our weak
• 43:39
  areas. I suppose that we've sort of
• 43:41
  that Steve sort of has identified and that we're sort
• 43:43
  of safe to to, you know, exercise.
• 43:47
  We're allowed to do that. Hopefully gonna de risk us going
• 43:51
  forward and also get us closer to running soon.
• 43:53
  Yeah, be in response, spending the public holiday in a
• 43:56
  responsible manner. But yeah, so then Tuesday
• 43:59
  morning, Ryan and I got out for a ride with Raff.
• 44:05
  Raff actually joined us on the bike for the first bit, which
• 44:07
  was nice. I think Ryan, you were pretty
• 44:11
  Jelly legged right from your bike race.
• 44:13
  So and I was still feeling oh that's right, I've done a bigger
• 44:18
  ride on the Saturday as well. So we just spun around, did the
• 44:22
  river loop before we headed into the office.
• 44:24
  So for me it was about 60 KS before work, which was nice.
• 44:27
  And then I rode home. Tuesday arvo I.
• 44:31
  Went should have seen it. Raff was.
• 44:32
  It was almost Raff the athlete rather than Raff the coach.
• 44:35
  Once you got him onto the bike, he could see the cogs in his
• 44:39
  brain twisting and thinking about a return to competitive
• 44:43
  training and stuff. No way really.
• 44:45
  Yeah, he's quite, yeah, he's quite competitive.
• 44:47
  As soon as I think the the IT started flowing.
• 44:50
  He was trying to work out who we could train up and start
• 44:52
  beating, which he probably saw us as easy targets really.
• 44:57
  That right? But that was good Wednesday
• 45:01
  morning. Jim Dagan Wednesday afternoon
• 45:03
  met Ryan in the pool. So we just did, I can't
• 45:08
  remember, it was like 1500 meters in the pool and then we
• 45:11
  did, or 30 minutes in the pool perhaps, and then about 30
• 45:14
  minutes of Aqua jogging again, just there's like 2 pools right
• 45:19
  next to each other, 50m lane pool and then like a deep pool
• 45:21
  where they do water polo. So hopped out, put on our
• 45:24
  running belts and ran around in circles for a bit on Wednesday
• 45:28
  evening, which was nice. We're both ears doing Aqua
• 45:34
  jogging like in the same lane together.
• 45:36
  Yeah. That's been so funny to see.
• 45:41
  Yeah, you can't have an ego when you're when you're properly
• 45:44
  injured. That's what I've what I've
• 45:46
  learned. Absolutely not.
• 45:50
  Thursday got a massage, gymed again and then just rode.
• 45:54
  I think I wrote about 25 KS for the day, but it's just easy
• 45:57
  riding. And sorry, but that was wait, Oh
• 46:03
  no, that was incidental riding on the Wednesday.
• 46:08
  When did we do bike intervals? Right?
• 46:09
  Was that Thursday? Yeah.
• 46:11
  Yeah. So Thursday morning we had.
• 46:14
  Yeah, so Thursday morning we had, that's right, Wednesday I
• 46:17
  was running around as well. We joined front runner, the
• 46:21
  triathlon group for a bike interval set in Kings Park.
• 46:27
  And so it was 530. Was it start time, wasn't it, at
• 46:29
  5:30 sharp? And it was criterium sort of
• 46:35
  loops at a steady or steady effort.
• 46:37
  So you'll go easy lap, then two steady laps, easy lap, 2 steady
• 46:42
  laps of this sort of crit sort of circuit at the top of Kings
• 46:45
  Park. So we did those and then we did
• 46:49
  5 or 6 efforts up. They call it like cardiac climb,
• 46:53
  but just one of the bigger climbs in Kings Park.
• 46:56
  Not anything that we normally run up to be honest.
• 46:59
  You know, we've normally spend our time running loops of land
• 47:02
  May and Lufkin, but this one sort of peels off.
• 47:04
  It's a bit of a sharper pinch, but we did, yeah, five loops up
• 47:09
  that. And then it finished with a 5K
• 47:12
  race, wasn't it? So they set off a couple set off
• 47:17
  before us. Then it was Ryan and I, and then
• 47:20
  it was like the main, the, the, the sort of the big dogs, you
• 47:24
  know, the faster young triathletes, the likes of like
• 47:27
  Luke, you remember Luke Bates and, and those guys and they,
• 47:31
  they were pretty. I thought we were holding a
• 47:33
  pretty decent pace, but they caught us pretty quickly, didn't
• 47:36
  they? Yeah, when they told us the the
• 47:38
  true insight, they were just using us to tow them along and
• 47:41
  they were right behind us. Like straight away.
• 47:42
  We thought we held them off for a little longer, didn't we?
• 47:46
  We did, but we did manage to keep up with them up.
• 47:49
  Was it my drive before? Because there was sort of a
• 47:51
  point where they'd marked where the Sprint finish would be.
• 47:54
  We did manage to hold their wheel for a good chunk of it,
• 47:56
  albeit there there there's quite a bit of foxing wasn't there on
• 47:59
  their part. Yeah, and you, you were almost
• 48:01
  getting trying to get involved in the Sprint, Sprint finish
• 48:04
  between the two of them. And when you told them
• 48:06
  afterwards they were like, oh, you didn't just don't get
• 48:09
  involved mate. It's between us.
• 48:11
  Yeah, that they were upset that I was trying to jump on their
• 48:14
  wheels. But every man for Easter, every
• 48:16
  house, I was having a guy anyway.
• 48:20
  But look, it was good. Is again, talk about high heart
• 48:23
  rate. Yeah, OK.
• 48:24
  Like my legs were absolutely rinsed after that.
• 48:28
  I think I limped home. I rode home, I had the day off
• 48:30
  work not because of that, but we we took the kids to the royal
• 48:35
  show. But.
• 48:37
  But yeah, it was a lot of fun. It was like that.
• 48:39
  That would have been the hardest I'd worked on the bike since
• 48:43
  sort of cross training and I had a little bit of pain in my sort
• 48:47
  of in that area, but nothing, but nothing substantial.
• 48:51
  So didn't feel like it came at any real cost, which was good
• 48:55
  and felt like I got something out of it.
• 48:57
  And for contacts for Owen and others, Dean, the person that we
• 49:01
  were paired with on the bike was a 16 year old girl. 15 year old
• 49:06
  girl. For the for the steady part,
• 49:09
  Yeah. Oh, no, she's not.
• 49:11
  I think it's not, yeah. That that makes us sound bad.
• 49:20
  But yeah, well, I think we're, look, I, I didn't think we're
• 49:22
  doing too bad, to be fair. But but look, we've certainly be
• 49:27
  better once we can get back running, that's for sure.
• 49:31
  Friday was just a couple of easy rides.
• 49:33
  And then Saturday was the next time we sort of got fed,
• 49:37
  probably got fed to the wolves, didn't we?
• 49:40
  So there we went from, we met the triathlon group again and
• 49:45
  that we rode out well up well Welshpool Road and out towards
• 49:49
  Picker Pickering Brook. They were doing like this big
• 49:51
  ride and brick session off that so that they were running off
• 49:55
  the bike and Ryan and I rode up Welshpool Rd. did a loop of
• 50:00
  Pickering Brook and then we could have done another one but
• 50:03
  it was we're a bit wet and we were pretty tired.
• 50:06
  We were probably, what, 40 KS into it by that stage and we
• 50:09
  knew we had to ride a similar amount to get home.
• 50:12
  So we went to the local cafe. It was lovely actually.
• 50:14
  They did a really good cup of coffee and we had a granola cup
• 50:19
  and a banana bread and recharged our batteries before we hopped
• 50:23
  back into the into the mix. And then what?
• 50:25
  Young Kade, who I think is still in school, he he towed us home.
• 50:31
  Yes, maintain sat there having a coffee whilst the triathletes
• 50:34
  are like pummeling more loops and then about to run off the
• 50:37
  back of it. And we're just like, I wonder,
• 50:39
  like, what's an appropriate time for us to head back out into the
• 50:42
  the wet and the cold to cycle home, to get a lift home?
• 50:46
  I feel like he's have gotten a newfound respect for Charlie and
• 50:49
  what they do. Mad.
• 50:51
  So like, yeah, put in perspective, if I like that
• 50:55
  401K, you know, that look we did out in Helena, like that hilly
• 51:00
  progressive run, I'm pretty sure my heart rate was lower when I
• 51:04
  did that. And that would have been a
• 51:05
  similar time, 2 1/2 hours at a lower heart rate than what I had
• 51:09
  on for this ride on the weekend. Like we were proper suffering
• 51:13
  and we weren't doing close to what they were doing so.
• 51:17
  But you aren't as fit either, so like, Nah.
• 51:21
  Nah. It's true you aren't as fit, so
• 51:23
  you have to date that and consideration.
• 51:25
  But yeah, but but just in terms of the amount of like, yes, they
• 51:32
  wouldn't have been working as hard as what we were working in
• 51:34
  terms of on the way out there for sure.
• 51:36
  But what they are able to do in a day like those guys are.
• 51:40
  Then I was chatting to Kate on the way back and like he'll do a
• 51:42
  long run this morning and then a swim in the afternoon.
• 51:45
  And like what they their training load in a given week is
• 51:50
  is massive. And what they're able to do on
• 51:51
  the bike and stuff, it's pretty phenomenal.
• 51:54
  It's the hours are like like even this week I'd say you have
• 51:57
  done way more hours of training than when you'd be running full
• 52:01
  time. Yeah, probably, yeah, probably
• 52:03
  10-12, yeah. So, yeah, it's not a bad amount
• 52:07
  of work. So which is good?
• 52:09
  Yeah, somewhere between, I don't know, 10 and 15 hours.
• 52:11
  So which is good. Keeps us ticking over, that's
• 52:14
  for sure. I won't repeat that because my
• 52:17
  week just, I guess, feeds off the back of yours, Dean.
• 52:20
  So yeah, another step in the right direction, hopefully for
• 52:23
  the base fitness and it's another week ticked off in terms
• 52:27
  of the rehab and not loading it up.
• 52:30
  So hopefully another week closer in that sense.
• 52:33
  Right, then on to some news agenda items.
• 52:36
  We've got quite a few here. I think the first one perhaps
• 52:39
  most importantly because we've spoken about Grand Slam Track
• 52:42
  quite a lot. Did you see that Grand Slam
• 52:45
  Track has received an emergency lifeline payment from some
• 52:50
  innovative commerce, existing investors, which has allowed
• 52:54
  them to pay out at least or not at least half apparently of what
• 52:59
  the athletes are owed today. They're meant to have made that
• 53:02
  payment on Friday. And there is an unnamed source
• 53:06
  close to one of the athletes who seems to have confirmed that
• 53:09
  their athlete has received this payment.
• 53:11
  So I mean, I don't want to congratulate them for doing what
• 53:15
  should be standard, but I guess it comes as a bit of a shock
• 53:18
  given like the people who we'd spoken to and kind of how their
• 53:23
  feelings and optimism was towards receiving payments that
• 53:26
  they've actually now started to get that money.
• 53:28
  So that's interesting. Like if they didn't give them
• 53:32
  the money, like it just makes things so, so much worse.
• 53:35
  And like, it literally gives it no hope for the future.
• 53:38
  Whereas if they actually pay them some of the money, like
• 53:41
  there's that little glimmer of hope that it might come back.
• 53:45
  But yeah, it's just shit that they're not getting the full
• 53:47
  amount of their promise. Well, apparently they've set as
• 53:50
  well a payment plan to give the athletes some sort of hope that
• 53:55
  they will actually, or they do intend to pay them the rest of
• 53:58
  it, which like say this time last week you would have just
• 54:01
  been like or a load of shit. But now at least if they've
• 54:04
  received the 1st 50% and then they're saying and we'll give
• 54:07
  you this, this and this on these dates, then I know we'll see.
• 54:11
  But the figures behind it, supposedly they have a total
• 54:13
  debt of $19,000,000 with 11,000,000 being owed to the
• 54:17
  athletes and eight to vendors. And they've reportedly received
• 54:22
  an injection of 5.3 million, which has largely been used to
• 54:26
  pay the athletes off, half of it off.
• 54:29
  And then they're starting to pay some of the vendors.
• 54:31
  But it does also say that they're trying to negotiate with
• 54:35
  these vendors, too. So no doubt they're trying to
• 54:37
  bargain and reduce the amounts owed.
• 54:39
  By vendors, what do you mean? The facilities and stuff like
• 54:42
  that. So remember that Miami truck
• 54:45
  they owed like 80 grand too. But like, it's crazy that they
• 54:49
  would have seen these. They would have seen like, all
• 54:52
  right, we're going to need 19,000,000 worth of like revenue
• 54:55
  to like even break even. And like I'd say they were
• 54:59
  probably expecting to make a loss, but like to like, what
• 55:03
  model were they? I don't know.
• 55:05
  I just had with this, yeah. Pretty cheeky hair that they
• 55:09
  could rack up all this debt. Be like, nowhere near, Yeah, I
• 55:12
  don't know. Sending all the athletes on like
• 55:14
  business class and in the five star hotels and stuff.
• 55:18
  Michael Johnson wasn't an accountant and undergrad, was
• 55:21
  he? He was a dreamer.
• 55:24
  Philosophy major or something? The second news item is that
• 55:29
  Andy Young, who is the former coach of Olympic and world
• 55:34
  medalist Laura Muir and all the Great Britain athlete Gemma
• 55:38
  Riki, so they're both 800 or 1500 meter runners.
• 55:42
  He's been banned for three years for serious misconduct after two
• 55:46
  panels found that he inverted commas, placed performance above
• 55:50
  athlete welfare and engaged in manipulative and coercive
• 55:54
  behavior. Go on.
• 55:56
  Go and finish off finish it. Goes on to describe that his
• 55:59
  actions include the driving at speed with an athlete in his car
• 56:04
  to the point where the athlete requested to get out because
• 56:07
  they were scared and then he just drove off.
• 56:09
  That is actually quite minor compared to the others, but.
• 56:12
  That was in South Africa in the middle of nowhere.
• 56:14
  So yes, yes, in the middle of nowhere.
• 56:18
  So that was actually pretty, pretty bad as well.
• 56:20
  Yeah, OK. That context just changes it
• 56:22
  entirely, doesn't it? There's literally like leopards
• 56:25
  and stuff prancing round. Literally.
• 56:29
  He was found to have ignored medical advice, forcing an
• 56:31
  athlete with foot pain that became a stress fracture to
• 56:34
  continue to train and to have threatened to exclude athletes
• 56:38
  from training or races if they did not comply.
• 56:42
  And the panel ruled Mr. Young could be very forceful to the
• 56:45
  point of exerting pressure so severe that it amounted to
• 56:48
  manipulation or bullying. Athletes felt they had no
• 56:51
  realistic option but to comply, and on one occasion, he
• 56:56
  reportedly told an athlete to post a tweet that was likely to
• 56:59
  upset their sponsor or another. He made a comment about waste.
• 57:03
  Then that's the the driving story continued.
• 57:08
  So, I mean, this guy sounds like a pretty nasty case.
• 57:13
  And Laura Muir has actually gone on record and said that she
• 57:15
  fully supports the decisions, but by the panels and she's
• 57:19
  since rediscovered their love of the sport.
• 57:21
  So that kind of says a lot as well, basically that she's she's
• 57:25
  willing to be outspoken about it.
• 57:27
  And the CEO of UK Athletics says it's a difficult and sobering
• 57:32
  case. Like this chap should just not
• 57:35
  be allowed near any athletes whatsoever.
• 57:39
  Like, he's clearly missing a few screws.
• 57:44
  It's like it's crazy that this shit goes on.
• 57:46
  Like, I feel like it's sort of similar to like the Jacob case
• 57:49
  in a way. Like as the word the father just
• 57:52
  takes it a step too far. But it's just crazy that like,
• 57:56
  the likes of Laura me are and Jeremy Ricky, like both top
• 57:59
  class athletes were like going through all this while
• 58:03
  performing at such a high level. Yeah, it's, it's totally,
• 58:08
  totally, totally wrong. It seems like, I don't know,
• 58:11
  there must be like a particular personality type that finds
• 58:14
  themselves into these roles and then they just become very like
• 58:17
  controlling and they just, it all just spills over because
• 58:20
  they're obviously hopefully come in with very noble intentions.
• 58:25
  And then you just, they just become obsessive and then obsess
• 58:27
  over all the wrong things in all the wrong ways.
• 58:29
  And then they just, yeah, it's very sad, but good that it's
• 58:32
  obviously bubbled to the surface and, you know, been dealt with.
• 58:35
  Right. And that's what Laura Muir's
• 58:38
  comments are saying, that she's happy it's been.
• 58:40
  How did this come out, Ryan? Do you know how it came?
• 58:44
  Out don't know, you know, if it came from like complaints or if
• 58:47
  yeah, I don't know what the the root of it was.
• 58:49
  Like I don't think she he should be ever allowed near an athlete
• 58:52
  again like 3 years. Like the damage, isn't it like a
• 58:56
  five year ban reduced to three and then they've kind of like.
• 58:59
  See, Ryan, yeah, like the fact that he can be banned for five
• 59:05
  years and get it reduced and it's like.
• 59:11
  Yeah. Surely, Yeah.
• 59:13
  Surely this gets broadcast enough such that it's it's
• 59:16
  there's no, you know, scope to do it again.
• 59:21
  Ever come back from that? But you even see like the likes
• 59:23
  of Shelby, like she literally got banned for taking drugs and
• 59:27
  now she's back. Like, I don't think he will come
• 59:30
  back. He'll find an athlete.
• 59:31
  And yeah, it's just, it's not, it's not good for the sport.
• 59:37
  Owen's already got to work a bit today, Ryan, come on.
• 59:41
  Up Chicago Marathon next weekend, the next major on the
• 59:44
  calendar. I think we've covered this field
• 59:47
  before once when it was released, but I guess it's a bit
• 59:50
  more pressing now that it's the week before.
• 59:53
  So in the women's field, some notable names.
• 59:57
  The fastest PB on paper is McGee to Alimu.
• 1:00:02
  How we face that? And these athletes are both from
• 1:00:04
  2:16 and 2:17. And then kind of notable names
• 1:00:09
  from our point of view is Carly Hoga Thackeray 221, Lindsay
• 1:00:13
  Flanagan, The American 223. Anyone else stand out to you
• 1:00:16
  guys there? Philly Bowden?
• 1:00:18
  Yeah, I was going to say her. It's.
• 1:00:19
  Pretty, it's pretty light for Chicago.
• 1:00:22
  Oh, you reckon that's a good fear?
• 1:00:24
  It feels just a bit light for like Chicago, like, I don't
• 1:00:27
  know, but. Like I feel like it's light
• 1:00:29
  because they don't have Stefan Assan.
• 1:00:32
  Well, that other one who broke the record, she's washed, she's
• 1:00:36
  dope and and then you've got a Safa like other than that, like
• 1:00:40
  they're just miles ahead of everyone else.
• 1:00:42
  So like I pretty it's I don't know, Chicago's pretty fast as
• 1:00:45
  well, so you can expect them to all run faster.
• 1:00:47
  Like I'd love to see Philly Bowden like make another jump,
• 1:00:50
  even though I don't know how her how her build has gone.
• 1:00:53
  I know earlier on she was struggling in the build, but her
• 1:00:56
  YouTube, but I'm not sure. I haven't seen any of her recent
• 1:00:58
  videos so I'm not too sure of how she's gone.
• 1:01:01
  Yeah, maybe it's a bit like in terms of profile, like when you
• 1:01:04
  look at the the names on the on the fastest athletes there to to
• 1:01:07
  be honest, they don't mean all that much to me.
• 1:01:10
  But obviously the times are quick.
• 1:01:11
  Like there's once there's 5 sub 220 ladies.
• 1:01:14
  But yeah, like you say, there's no Hassan or Helena Beery or
• 1:01:19
  whatever you like. The men's though, is probably a
• 1:01:22
  little bit deeper, maybe suggested by the fact that
• 1:01:27
  there's actually physically more people in the field named as
• 1:01:29
  well in the elite field. So you've got John Korea kind of
• 1:01:32
  topping things 2/02/44, and he's potentially going for a world
• 1:01:36
  record here. So he did run and win this last
• 1:01:40
  year. You've got Timothy Kaplanga,
• 1:01:43
  2/02/55. You've got Kaplimo who's
• 1:01:48
  obviously the crazy half marathon guy.
• 1:01:50
  You've got Bashir Abdi, then Connor Manse is going for the US
• 1:01:54
  record. You've got Galen Rope making a
• 1:01:58
  bit of a comeback. Rory Linklater, CJ Albertson,
• 1:02:00
  Mark Scott. So yeah, there's there's
• 1:02:04
  multiple things going on that man's field.
• 1:02:07
  Jeffrey. Jeffrey.
• 1:02:09
  Yeah, he's a he's an old dog now, isn't he?
• 1:02:12
  Well, in Ryan's book he is, but I think he's still got a bit of
• 1:02:15
  life left in him. And when's New York?
• 1:02:19
  NY's pretty close to this one, isn't it?
• 1:02:22
  Yeah, I think it comes next, yeah.
• 1:02:25
  So like between the World Championships, Chicago, New
• 1:02:29
  York, Valencia, like it's sort of hard to do them all.
• 1:02:31
  So you probably pick like world champs Valencia.
• 1:02:35
  That's sort of a nice gap between them.
• 1:02:37
  Whereas if you're to pick like Chicago or New York, it's sort
• 1:02:39
  of reels you out of Valencia. And I feel like everyone's,
• 1:02:42
  everyone is trying to do Valencia because it's got such a
• 1:02:44
  good name now. Yeah.
• 1:02:45
  And I think like whenever you're read out on one of these start
• 1:02:48
  lists, everyone's sort of read out by their PB, aren't they?
• 1:02:51
  So it's sort of in order of so you go to Valencia to to run
• 1:02:55
  your PB and then you and then you're probably getting well
• 1:02:58
  looked after and all the races you're appearing in.
• 1:03:02
  Hot. I'm going to say Jacob Kiplin MO
• 1:03:05
  breaks the world record. He's after he's a smart kid.
• 1:03:08
  He he runs the half marathon world record, then has an
• 1:03:12
  alright debut to make it believable.
• 1:03:14
  And now he's going to run Chicago, which is a renowned
• 1:03:17
  fast course and breaks the world record.
• 1:03:20
  He might break 2 hours, but he'll he'll break the world
• 1:03:23
  record and call it be cool. Maybe he's flying a little bit
• 1:03:27
  under the radar here as well because there's time.
• 1:03:29
  On paper he's like the sixth fastest, but he's he's got that
• 1:03:33
  like insane half marathon world record just in the background
• 1:03:37
  there. Yeah, could be a big call.
• 1:03:39
  What's the Has anyone looked at the the weather forecast in
• 1:03:45
  Chicago? What's what's it?
• 1:03:47
  Is he going to be cool enough? While she looked that up, I
• 1:03:50
  wonder what's going on with this guy AFA Werke Zeru, who's in on
• 1:03:53
  the men's elite list there because the he's got the slowest
• 1:03:57
  PB of everyone to 1854, and then the guy immediately above him
• 1:04:02
  with the second slowest PB is a 212 guy.
• 1:04:04
  So I wonder how AFA Werke has made it on here?
• 1:04:08
  Look at his World Athletics. What's the best he's run?
• 1:04:10
  Like a 59 minute half marathon or something stupid.
• 1:04:13
  Probably. Or his coach is that fucking
• 1:04:16
  silver guy. Where is agent?
• 1:04:19
  The the weather doesn't look great at the minute.
• 1:04:22
  I mean, it doesn't look terrible, just doesn't look
• 1:04:24
  great. It looks like a bit middling as
• 1:04:27
  far as weather goes. Like it's not as warm as what
• 1:04:29
  Berlin was, but it's not, it's not super cool like what it's
• 1:04:33
  been in like in Chicago the past couple of years.
• 1:04:36
  So note that down. If that's the case, I'd be
• 1:04:40
  surprised if anyone goes super fast.
• 1:04:43
  Although you put Mr. Saar away from 2 weeks ago in in that
• 1:04:46
  weather and potentially he breaks the world record based on
• 1:04:49
  his performance, there wasn't. It yeah, but I think he's a bit
• 1:04:52
  special. There's something gone.
• 1:04:53
  He was running very fast. I'll tip.
• 1:04:57
  Guandin. Oh no, my tip, I'll tip Abdi to
• 1:05:02
  to beat Kipolimo. So for Wirkie Zurku, he's
• 1:05:05
  actually American. Oh, there you go.
• 1:05:07
  So that's how he's he's got the elite.
• 1:05:09
  And he's run. He ran a 61 minute half in in
• 1:05:14
  January in Houston 60. One, yeah.
• 1:05:19
  So he's a 218. He's got a bit to take off that.
• 1:05:23
  Where did you run? I'm trying to find Ray around
• 1:05:25
  the 218. Were you thinking we could sneak
• 1:05:28
  onto that field? Definitely not I'll be putting
• 1:05:32
  down like a cycle power outage or something.
• 1:05:34
  Wattage can see how mark Scott gets on because since he
• 1:05:37
  transitioned to the mark, obviously he was incredibly
• 1:05:40
  talented on on the track 5010 thousand, but I don't think it's
• 1:05:45
  kind of gone as well as he would like since he transitioned to
• 1:05:48
  the roads. Like he's done a lot of good
• 1:05:50
  half marathons whilst he was a track runner, but now I think
• 1:05:53
  he's like formally identifying, not quite physically as a
• 1:05:58
  marathoner, but you know what I mean?
• 1:05:59
  That's how he sees himself as an athlete, so.
• 1:06:01
  I think the big watch and hopefully it's it's covered well
• 1:06:04
  in the broadcast is whether or not Conor Manz breaks the
• 1:06:07
  American record or North American record if we include
• 1:06:13
  Cam Levens's 20536. So that should be that.
• 1:06:19
  It's probably what I'll be. I mean, I'll be watching the
• 1:06:21
  lead group like that. It, it reads like a really
• 1:06:24
  interesting race upfront, but also I'll be watching that,
• 1:06:27
  right? Which is interesting because I'm
• 1:06:30
  sure Clayton Younger is in the lead car.
• 1:06:33
  So hopefully the broadcast coverage is unreal because like
• 1:06:36
  imagine Mance does it and like Clayton's there commentating on
• 1:06:40
  him and stuff that we class. Yeah.
• 1:06:45
  So the weather at the moment, it's forecasting rain and an
• 1:06:49
  overnight low of 15°. So you probably want that to 17K
• 1:06:54
  now wins. You probably want all those
• 1:06:55
  things to improve slightly, but it's not.
• 1:06:57
  Nothing's terrible there. This this after work.
• 1:07:01
  He's Urku 0. He's had such a weird So in 2023
• 1:07:07
  in June he ran a 62 minute half and then later on that year he
• 1:07:12
  ran 218 in Porto. It must have.
• 1:07:17
  Split something pretty aggressive and then falling
• 1:07:20
  apart. I can I can hear this Mr. Zeru
• 1:07:24
  now quaking in his boots because Owens on to.
• 1:07:26
  The Olympic Trials in the Olympic Trials in 2024, here on
• 1:07:31
  2/20 in Orlando. I don't know.
• 1:07:37
  He's on the on the burritos, you reckon?
• 1:07:40
  I didn't say, I'm just looking at those results here.
• 1:07:43
  Allegedly. And yeah, look.
• 1:07:48
  So the second of three major, not majors big marathons next
• 1:07:53
  week is the Perth Running Festival.
• 1:07:57
  Unfortunately, in comparison to Chicago, we don't quite have an
• 1:08:01
  elite field to go through. I did reach out to them last
• 1:08:04
  week and ask but no response. They did see the message.
• 1:08:08
  I also asked are the winners drug tested?
• 1:08:12
  They also seen the message and no response.
• 1:08:14
  And the reason why I asked this is because typically they bring
• 1:08:19
  over some Kenyans and there's the 10 grand worth of prize
• 1:08:23
  money paid on this Perth Marathon.
• 1:08:27
  So the field is made-up entirely, well, largely of
• 1:08:31
  people from Perth and the surrounding areas in WA.
• 1:08:34
  Like no one really travels domestically for this.
• 1:08:37
  And 10 grands a lot of money to be paying out.
• 1:08:40
  And it's a shame that they just give that away to these second,
• 1:08:44
  third, fourth string Kenyans who come over and run 216 or last
• 1:08:50
  year the woman ran 242 to win and just go away with 10 grand
• 1:08:55
  with no drug test, but doesn't. There's not an accusation.
• 1:09:00
  But if you if you're bringing people in then and you're giving
• 1:09:05
  them such a large amounts of money, then it'd be nice to know
• 1:09:08
  that they've been drug tested, even if it was an Australian who
• 1:09:11
  won the race. Ryan will never be allowed into
• 1:09:14
  the Perth Marathon Running Festival ever again.
• 1:09:16
  No, it's just. It's just an observation.
• 1:09:19
  No, when I was trying to text them to enter it like they
• 1:09:22
  didn't reply to me either. I'd admin there needs some
• 1:09:24
  serious like communication. Go on.
• 1:09:28
  I didn't have any troubles getting an entry so at Perth
• 1:09:30
  Running Festival. I appreciate you.
• 1:09:32
  Thank you. Thanks for what you do.
• 1:09:36
  Didn't guess the red carpet rolled out from.
• 1:09:38
  Yeah, I entered it a day or two before the event in 2023 because
• 1:09:43
  they announced the prize money on the Wednesday before the race
• 1:09:48
  on Sunday, and I was a late entry and I looked after us.
• 1:09:52
  So maybe they've listened to the pod and heard the accusations
• 1:09:56
  around doping and wanted to stay away from any other hate.
• 1:10:00
  OK, I'll, I'll follow it with maybe some more context that
• 1:10:03
  will help soften the blow, I think.
• 1:10:06
  I think it's, it's fine if they bring in Kenyan people in or any
• 1:10:11
  other nation, people in who are going to potentially win the
• 1:10:13
  race and they'll pay them the prize money.
• 1:10:15
  But what I would like to see is an elite start list or maybe
• 1:10:18
  some profiling on their social media page in the league weeks
• 1:10:22
  leading up to the race so that you know who these people are
• 1:10:25
  and you at least get to see them and understand who they are
• 1:10:28
  prior to them being stood on the podium with the 10 grand check.
• 1:10:31
  Yeah, I agree. And I think, look, I will defend
• 1:10:34
  them. They've done a great job of
• 1:10:36
  building an event that showcases Perth runs like finishes inside
• 1:10:41
  Optus, goes in and around some scenic parts of Perth.
• 1:10:44
  They put it on like like streamer, like they've they've
• 1:10:48
  streamed it in the past. So you can actually watch
• 1:10:50
  there's like a lead vehicle that you know, and they they have
• 1:10:53
  commentary of the race races and those sorts of things.
• 1:10:56
  So they definitely have made attempts to sort of create quite
• 1:11:00
  an event and it does sell out. So I think the problem is it's
• 1:11:04
  probably because it's become so successful already.
• 1:11:08
  Maybe there's not a, a huge incentive to sort of add to some
• 1:11:11
  of these sorts of things. But in terms of a, a, an
• 1:11:15
  experience for a lot of people, like if they want to make it
• 1:11:18
  like a closer to a top national event, like have a look at the
• 1:11:22
  way the Gold Coast Marathon or even the Melbourne Marathon,
• 1:11:24
  like the quality of their stream and the quality and the ability
• 1:11:28
  to follow their event is like, is exceptionally good.
• 1:11:33
  And so it would be helpful that we started making steps towards
• 1:11:36
  that because like you say, you're sort of, you're doing a
• 1:11:38
  lot of the good things. It's just that, yeah, they're
• 1:11:41
  sort of letting themselves down by sort of not sort of releasing
• 1:11:47
  a late field talk, sharing links as to where you can watch the
• 1:11:51
  live stream from, sort of building the building a bit of
• 1:11:54
  hype around their event that yeah, certainly not not being
• 1:11:58
  great at doing that in the past. Because in in terms of size and
• 1:12:02
  prize money, it sets forth, according to my research on the
• 1:12:06
  largest marathons in Australia, behind Sydney, Melbourne, Gold
• 1:12:09
  Coast. It's then Perth, the head of
• 1:12:11
  Ballarat, Sunshine Coast and the Brisbane Marathon.
• 1:12:15
  And you know that those marathons who are supposedly
• 1:12:18
  smaller, they attract top domestic talent.
• 1:12:21
  So it would be nice if Perth, given the prize money that it
• 1:12:24
  pays, would be able to get some people over from East.
• 1:12:29
  But yeah. Yeah, and it's just unfortunate.
• 1:12:31
  I mean, the big knock and this is always the challenge with
• 1:12:34
  this race. So, and this is what will
• 1:12:36
  happen. So as Owen's talking about in
• 1:12:38
  terms of the Northern Hemisphere cooling off, Southern Hemisphere
• 1:12:43
  is warming up. And so like we're literally
• 1:12:45
  getting to the point now where it's all going to get quite
• 1:12:47
  warm. And so all of the nice running
• 1:12:50
  conditions are sort of ending. And so people have spent all
• 1:12:52
  this time running in fairly cool weather in Perth, the majority
• 1:12:56
  Perth people going to do the race and then they might.
• 1:12:58
  And what has often been the case is they get caught out a bit
• 1:13:01
  because cut race day. It's actually, it's just one of
• 1:13:04
  the first sort of warmer days. And it's noticeably like
• 1:13:07
  unpleasant to run in. And you then have to run slower
• 1:13:09
  and inevitably people don't adjust their paces too much
• 1:13:12
  because you want to be fairly optimistic and based on what you
• 1:13:15
  just did all your race pace training runs at when it was in
• 1:13:18
  nice weather, it was OK. So it's unfortunate.
• 1:13:21
  I think they're really keen on finishing inside Optus Stadium
• 1:13:25
  and in Perth the, you know, the premier sport is AFL and so you
• 1:13:30
  don't really get access to the stadium until after the footy
• 1:13:32
  season finishes, which was last weekend, albeit that we don't
• 1:13:35
  host the grand final. But it's a shame that they run
• 1:13:39
  it in the middle of October because it's now going to be a
• 1:13:40
  bit warm and, and they run it alongside, you know, it's the
• 1:13:45
  same day as the Melbourne Running Festival and it's three
• 1:13:48
  weeks after Sydney. It's like you're not going to
• 1:13:50
  attract, like you're, you're competing against like you said,
• 1:13:54
  said Ryan. Of the top four, you're
• 1:13:56
  competing against two of the three.
• 1:13:57
  In terms of timing, if you ran your event in April or May when
• 1:14:02
  the weather's nice and you're not competing against another
• 1:14:06
  marathon, you would get a a much better outcome, I reckon, both
• 1:14:09
  for all the participants in terms of how, how they how they
• 1:14:13
  race and in terms of competition.
• 1:14:16
  Yeah, great. On the football like use their
• 1:14:18
  shit at the AFL anyway so your season was over like a couple of
• 1:14:21
  weeks ago. Now like more Eagles, Eagles in
• 1:14:25
  particular, so they actually set a record for the worst win loss
• 1:14:29
  record in AFL, modern AFL history this year.
• 1:14:32
  So they won one game in like yeah and it's like 2324 rounds
• 1:14:39
  in a season so and but their Fremantle made their finals,
• 1:14:43
  they lost in the first week of finals, so they weren't too bad.
• 1:14:45
  So 2 WA teams for my team particularly bad, yeah.
• 1:14:49
  Who'd they beat? I think the team that finished
• 1:14:53
  second last I think is one of the other lower ranked teams.
• 1:14:56
  Yeah, but but we've had a lot of success.
• 1:15:01
  We've won a lot of premierships, so that's not Fr Fremantle.
• 1:15:05
  I've done the Fremantle joke, so I'll leave that for all those.
• 1:15:07
  Just lastly before we move on to Melbourne, so the woman who won
• 1:15:12
  last year freed the tow. You get to maybe you go on a
• 1:15:16
  World Athletics profile. So not only did you not know her
• 1:15:19
  ahead of the race, but you also don't know her after the race
• 1:15:23
  because on her profile she has the Perth Running Festival
• 1:15:27
  Marathon last year as their last race, which is fine.
• 1:15:30
  OK, that was only a year ago. Prior to that the last listed
• 1:15:33
  race on there is 2015. So like, who the bloody hell is
• 1:15:37
  this woman? I'm sure she might be back next
• 1:15:39
  week to get get an annual payday.
• 1:15:42
  Oh yeah. That was so weird, yeah.
• 1:15:45
  I mean, there's, there's plenty of athletes out there and then
• 1:15:49
  you can't know everyone and profile everyone but.
• 1:15:54
  Yeah, but you know them if they're Australian, wouldn't
• 1:15:56
  you? And you'd make sense of this
• 1:15:57
  story. So it's a bit of a shame.
• 1:16:00
  But at the same time, it's not on the, it's not all on the the
• 1:16:04
  race director or whoever to get domestic athletes over.
• 1:16:09
  Like the prize money is there. So if someone wanted to come
• 1:16:13
  over and try and take it, then that's entirely up to them.
• 1:16:16
  Yeah, but, and it's probably what what is this?
• 1:16:18
  What is the sell? You know, and that's where so
• 1:16:20
  Melbourne, Melbourne a few years ago copped a bit of hate because
• 1:16:25
  they were, they had some Kenyan athletes coming over and they
• 1:16:28
  weren't subject to the same drug testing as domestic athletes.
• 1:16:32
  And then the direct race director took that feedback on
• 1:16:35
  board and changed it. And now they have these really
• 1:16:37
  awesome domestic races that you really want to watch.
• 1:16:41
  And you've got Aussies winning good amounts of prize money and
• 1:16:44
  prioritising the races. So I think they've done really,
• 1:16:48
  really good things. It'd be.
• 1:16:49
  Yeah. You hope that the folks at the
• 1:16:52
  Perth Running Festival share a similar vision because I think
• 1:16:55
  that would help take their event forward too.
• 1:16:59
  Nice transition into Melbourne then we'll quickly fire through
• 1:17:01
  their field because there's there's some big names and
• 1:17:04
  plenty of them. So for the marathon, the women's
• 1:17:07
  field has got headed up potentially by Millie Clark
• 1:17:11
  who's the PB of 22659, followed by Sarah Klein 230.
• 1:17:17
  She's just come off world champs in Tokyo and Caitlin Adams
• 1:17:20
  making her debut who has a half marathon PB of 7026.
• 1:17:25
  You've then got Kate Mason, Ella Higgins, Isabel Hume amongst
• 1:17:28
  others. For the men you've got Jack
• 1:17:31
  Rayner going for back-to-back wins with the PB of 211.
• 1:17:34
  Japanese athlete Joe Fukunda who I think is kind of past his best
• 1:17:39
  now but he has run 209 a while ago.
• 1:17:45
  Bailey Mazeki hints who's run 225 prior but that's not an
• 1:17:50
  accurate reflection of his ability with a 64 half marathon.
• 1:17:53
  PB Fraser Darcy 217 at Sydney this year, Steve McKenna 218 at
• 1:17:59
  Ballarat amongst others. And then the half boys.
• 1:18:03
  I think the half is a lot more attractive to me personally than
• 1:18:07
  the actual full marathon. So for the women you've got
• 1:18:10
  Sinead Diver making not her literal comeback because she has
• 1:18:15
  raced in recent weeks, but this would be like the first kind of
• 1:18:19
  proper mixing it up again. So she has a half marathon PB of
• 1:18:23
  6850 with Izzy Back Doyle, who may feel a little bit harshly
• 1:18:30
  done by being listed second here given she is the national record
• 1:18:33
  holder of 6717, followed by Jen Gregson who has APB of 70 OO 7.
• 1:18:40
  She just not like, after having a kid, yeah.
• 1:18:45
  I don't know how old the baby is but it feels like this is a
• 1:18:48
  quick comeback so be interesting to see how she goes that's.
• 1:18:51
  Crazy. Didn't I think she raced the?
• 1:18:55
  Was it rugby? Run.
• 1:18:57
  Run run Prix Melbourne 10K last week so yeah, fair.
• 1:19:00
  Flight, yeah. And their husband Ryan's also in
• 1:19:04
  the men's field, so they're going for a Gregson double.
• 1:19:08
  But to finish off that women's field, you've got I I don't know
• 1:19:12
  who this lady is. And this might just be my bad
• 1:19:15
  Georgie Gregorak. She's run 6913 in Berlin this
• 1:19:19
  year. And I don't know if I've just
• 1:19:21
  had my ears closed whenever her name's been mentioned, but like,
• 1:19:24
  I genuinely don't know who she is.
• 1:19:27
  And she's Australian. Run 69 minutes.
• 1:19:29
  Yeah, similar, yeah. So can see how she gets on
• 1:19:34
  because I mean I mean based on the other ladies like
• 1:19:39
  potentially the winning time is going to be around 6869 like she
• 1:19:44
  could be well in it. A quick look at her World
• 1:19:47
  Athletics profile says she's from New Zealand, so that might
• 1:19:49
  be why. We don't know.
• 1:19:51
  That makes sense, no. OK, Yeah.
• 1:19:54
  We've claimed a load of different other nationalities.
• 1:19:56
  So surprised. Sinead, Sinead.
• 1:20:02
  Divers say yeah, cutting, cutting to the bone there.
• 1:20:06
  You can have her. We don't want to.
• 1:20:07
  We don't. Want.
• 1:20:08
  Oh, really? Yeah.
• 1:20:11
  And you take, you take. Is it Sonya's daughter?
• 1:20:18
  Sophie. Sophie.
• 1:20:20
  Well, yeah. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:20:25
  Another one to watch boys. Jenny Blundell making her debut
• 1:20:28
  half. She's ran 1459 / 5 K and 3320 /
• 1:20:33
  10 K, so again, that suggests she may be good enough to be up
• 1:20:38
  there. So who who's your who's your
• 1:20:41
  tip? Oh, sorry, you haven't gone
• 1:20:42
  through the men's. You're.
• 1:20:43
  Going, I'll do the men's and then we'll take our picks.
• 1:20:46
  So again, Stewie heading up the field with a 6252 half marathon
• 1:20:51
  PB, but perhaps not reflective given he doesn't run all that
• 1:20:54
  many halves. We know what his ability is like
• 1:20:58
  over the shorter stuff, although he hasn't had the year he would
• 1:21:01
  have wanted. Followed by Brett who may
• 1:21:03
  similarly be feeling harshly done by being placed second on
• 1:21:07
  the list with being the national record holder of 5957.
• 1:21:12
  Then Ryan Gregson, the husband of Jen with the PB of 63 flat.
• 1:21:16
  I'm sure he'll be looking to break that as he has done a few
• 1:21:19
  times prior. Not broke it, be looking to
• 1:21:22
  break it. Rather have to rank Will.
• 1:21:26
  Not ranked but listed 4th again. I feel like he's massively
• 1:21:30
  underrated. Slash overlooked in Australian
• 1:21:33
  running. Like not that big of a deal is
• 1:21:35
  made of him. He's got PB of 6036, he just won
• 1:21:39
  the Australian National Marathon Championships at Sydney and he's
• 1:21:43
  a dark horse here. Want to watch?
• 1:21:46
  Followed by another New Zealand athlete, Toby Goldner.
• 1:21:48
  There's actually four or five New Zealand men in this field
• 1:21:51
  and then plenty of other domestic talent as well, Jacob
• 1:21:54
  Cox, Akfa Joni at Goddard, etcetera, etcetera.
• 1:21:58
  So, Dean, give us your picks. You want me?
• 1:22:01
  What? In all three?
• 1:22:03
  All four? Sorry all four.
• 1:22:09
  I reckon it might take 7. Minutes here and you go whilst
• 1:22:13
  the deliberates. I was on mute I mean.
• 1:22:17
  I'm going Caitlin Adams wins the marathon for the women and Jack
• 1:22:23
  Rainer wins that men marathon. Half marathon ladies goes to
• 1:22:27
  Izzy but Doyle and then the half marathon man goes to half 2.
• 1:22:34
  I really want Brett to win it, but I think half 2 is very good
• 1:22:40
  at running. You go Ron.
• 1:22:41
  Well, I keep thinking. You're saying if there's a line
• 1:22:45
  on bet 3654, I'll go with the form.
• 1:22:49
  The form book, the rankings of Millie Clark, Jack Rayner, Izzy
• 1:22:55
  Beth Doyle and I'll say breath because I feel like the 215 at
• 1:23:00
  Sydney may leave him a little bit fresher than have to and he
• 1:23:03
  might still be on the upwards trajectory.
• 1:23:06
  Have you heard anything about Stewie, if he's training and
• 1:23:08
  running or how he pulled up post that short European season?
• 1:23:12
  You got any scoop there? Can't give you any inside
• 1:23:15
  knowledge, sorry. Even if you had it, you'd
• 1:23:16
  probably not given it, or I haven't.
• 1:23:18
  Got a clue? He's been training, he's been
• 1:23:20
  training back in Melbourne for a couple of weeks.
• 1:23:24
  So yeah, I'll go. Caitlin Adams for the women's
• 1:23:29
  marathon own debut, Jack Rayner, Izzabeth Doyle and.
• 1:23:37
  Oh, I don't know, I feel like the half's quite interesting.
• 1:23:41
  I feel like it could be either Stewie, Brett or have to.
• 1:23:46
  I'll go, have to. But I But you hope Brett, you
• 1:23:50
  hope Brett turns it around. I feel like he's close to
• 1:23:53
  winning one of these. So yeah.
• 1:23:55
  You'll have to go have to have to have to.
• 1:23:58
  Have to have to play it safe. We'd have to.
• 1:24:01
  I think we might be running out of time based on your boys
• 1:24:04
  agendas here, but we'll keep going.
• 1:24:06
  Let us know when you need to wrap up properly.
• 1:24:09
  They've released the world indoor standards for Poland next
• 1:24:12
  year in March. They're a little bit lighter
• 1:24:14
  than Nanjing of this year. I think that might be because
• 1:24:17
  maybe there isn't major champs following it, so potentially
• 1:24:22
  it's not going to be as competitive or deep.
• 1:24:25
  There's actually no point in reading them out, reading these
• 1:24:28
  times out. But yeah, they've been released.
• 1:24:30
  So just for context, the 1500 meters is 336 for the men rather
• 1:24:35
  than three 3350 for Tokyo this year.
• 1:24:38
  So that's just an insight or a reflection into how they've
• 1:24:42
  softened them slightly, which is good because it gives others a
• 1:24:45
  chance. With Brett, he he's doing
• 1:24:50
  Valencia, so this will be a nice build up for him running
• 1:24:56
  Valencia so I'm not have to might back up as well.
• 1:25:00
  Would he? There's so many people doing
• 1:25:02
  Valencia. It's absolutely crazy, but I'm I
• 1:25:05
  was. Going to say home city is
• 1:25:07
  actually from Canberra, isn't he?
• 1:25:08
  But he's, he's lived in Melbourne for long enough so I'm
• 1:25:11
  sure he'll be wanting to do himself justice in Melbourne as
• 1:25:14
  well. Boys, we might have to roll the
• 1:25:16
  rest of these agenda items to next week and we will get on to
• 1:25:22
  if you got time for a YouTube Diaries me.
• 1:25:25
  No, I mean like I can cover it, but do you need to leave?
• 1:25:29
  I sort of do. Well, if I'm here now 8:45
• 1:25:35
  quarter past 10, I can do, I can hold on for another 15.
• 1:25:39
  OK, Yeah, go for it. I'll just stretch.
• 1:25:43
  Start doing you more, start jogging on the spot.
• 1:25:48
  So YouTube Diaries, I'm going to go Phil Sassman because he's
• 1:25:51
  recently joined the club. I don't know if you've managed
• 1:25:54
  to get to grips with it, but here's a bit of an overview So
• 1:25:59
  Phil Sessman, GB marathoner, and feel free to offer your thoughts
• 1:26:03
  on any part if you have watched it.
• 1:26:05
  So he's APB of two O 8. He ran for GB in the marathon at
• 1:26:09
  Paris last year and he has a half marathon PB of 6122.
• 1:26:15
  So he's one of GB's top distance athletes at the minute.
• 1:26:19
  He has very recently joined the YouTube club and he's starting
• 1:26:22
  to produce videos, which is second.
• 1:26:25
  What he's done to the first one was kind of like unsupported,
• 1:26:28
  just released solely by himself. And then the second one has been
• 1:26:32
  picked up by Koros. So they seem to be jumping all
• 1:26:35
  over like some of the stuff on socials and getting involved in
• 1:26:39
  some of the branding and the marketing, which is good.
• 1:26:42
  So Phil's coached by the head of Athletics at Leeds back at uni,
• 1:26:46
  and he also heads up the Leeds talent group, Andrew Henderson.
• 1:26:51
  I think he looks after a bunch of athletes in that region as
• 1:26:55
  well. Tian and Croker and one of the
• 1:26:57
  800 meter guys as one I'm sure, and there's plenty of others
• 1:27:01
  too. So where Phil's up to, he too
• 1:27:04
  shockingly is building towards Valencia along with Alex Yee.
• 1:27:09
  And what's interesting is he's actually targeting Amsterdam,
• 1:27:13
  not half Amsterdam Marathon on the 15th of October.
• 1:27:18
  So that'll be 7 weeks out from Valencia.
• 1:27:21
  And it kind of shows his confidence right now because
• 1:27:23
  he's hoping to run what sounds like he's pretty confident he'll
• 1:27:27
  be able to do it relatively easily.
• 1:27:30
  A small PB to take him into the Two O 7 club at Amsterdam.
• 1:27:34
  He what he's saying he wants to go in a little bit undercooked
• 1:27:38
  and then build from that into Valencia.
• 1:27:42
  So his first video is a double threshold day in the morning.
• 1:27:45
  I was, I found this quite staggering because I thought
• 1:27:49
  maybe in the intensity was quite high for a double threshold day.
• 1:27:52
  But I guess these are just paces what are comfortable for him and
• 1:27:55
  they look scary to me. So they've done 5 by 3K in the
• 1:27:59
  morning at 3 minute flat, which he said is around half marathon
• 1:28:03
  pace, and then in the afternoon they'd done 12 by AK AT250
• 1:28:07
  fives. And to be fair, in the footage
• 1:28:10
  he looked like he was not out of breath at all, like he wouldn't
• 1:28:15
  have blown a candle out. So clearly these paces are very
• 1:28:20
  manageable for him. But what's that?
• 1:28:22
  That's 27 KS worth of volume of intensity in one day.
• 1:28:26
  So shit, it shows. Kind of like the stuff you got
• 1:28:30
  out of these big double threshold days.
• 1:28:33
  And what's interesting I found, he said he's got a one year old,
• 1:28:35
  well eleven months old, she was in the first video, so she may
• 1:28:39
  have turned 1 by now. And he's planning his training
• 1:28:44
  and his season around that one year old daughter.
• 1:28:47
  So he's deliberately not going to altitude because he wants to
• 1:28:49
  be around as a father and he's kind of building the environment
• 1:28:53
  around himself in Leeds there. He's got an Icelandic guy, I
• 1:28:57
  think he was 5000m runner. He seems like good, good guy to
• 1:29:03
  be around, good banter and good energy.
• 1:29:06
  So yeah, exciting to follow Phil's journey through YouTube
• 1:29:09
  and see how he gets on into Amsterdam, Valencia and beyond,
• 1:29:13
  because I'm sure he'll be on the next couple of GB teams.
• 1:29:16
  Did you watch his most recent one, The Three by AK?
• 1:29:19
  Man, that is absolutely nuts. With Alex EA.
• 1:29:24
  Yeah. Yeah, that's cool.
• 1:29:26
  He runs. So their plan is to go like just
• 1:29:30
  hit 3 minutes or and then for like per AK and the session
• 1:29:34
  ended up being an average like 258 or 259 per kilometer.
• 1:29:38
  And then the floats were three fifteens, yeah.
• 1:29:41
  He averaged like three or two for the whole thing, yeah.
• 1:29:43
  For 30K, yeah. He and he looked so good, like
• 1:29:49
  and this chap, he's a doctor as well, so he has a PhD.
• 1:29:52
  So he's after putting that on the back burner and just going
• 1:29:55
  all in on the running and yeah, incredible.
• 1:29:58
  He he looks in ridiculous shape, doesn't he?
• 1:30:03
  Yeah, and he is also very open to his training.
• 1:30:07
  So if you find them on M Strava, he posts everything on his.
• 1:30:11
  His Instagram is also pretty good as well.
• 1:30:13
  He posted by food and all that sort of stuff.
• 1:30:15
  So yeah, he's really, really open to what he does.
• 1:30:18
  And he runs a lot with these dogs.
• 1:30:19
  Doesn't he keep chogi? And is it Pekili?
• 1:30:23
  What's his? What's the other?
• 1:30:24
  Yeah, I. Think so, Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:30:28
  Yeah. And sometimes they'll only take
• 1:30:30
  one of them out, so he'll only give one of them like a pie for
• 1:30:34
  a treat. The other one they have to earn
• 1:30:37
  their treats. But hey, yeah, he looks Sophie.
• 1:30:42
  I mean the, IT feels, it was interesting because again, you
• 1:30:46
  sort of know from afar, like racing 2 marathons within like 2
• 1:30:50
  months seems a bit risky. But then he's giving a bit of
• 1:30:52
  context as to basically what he was saying was I run some of
• 1:30:57
  these stuff in my long runs. Like I get so close to the fire,
• 1:31:00
  why not do 1 as a race if I can get a small PB, get a bit of
• 1:31:03
  fitness from it, recover and then go all in in a faster race
• 1:31:09
  later in the year. So not without its risks, but it
• 1:31:13
  would be really cool to follow. And it's cool that he's sharing
• 1:31:16
  his his insights into he sort of set his goals right.
• 1:31:19
  He finished 50 something in the Olympics and now wants to go top
• 1:31:22
  10. So that's his real motivation is
• 1:31:24
  he feels like he can take a step up.
• 1:31:26
  So yeah, cool, cool videos cool another cool like another cool
• 1:31:30
  person doing good content on YouTube.
• 1:31:32
  He's. A good looking chap as well,
• 1:31:33
  isn't he? Yeah, well put together.
• 1:31:36
  Finally, Double Trouble, which came in through the clubhouse.
• 1:31:40
  You've met, had a little bit of engagement with this Dean.
• 1:31:43
  You OK to go through it? Yeah, I'll give it a go if you
• 1:31:46
  like. And please like jump in and and
• 1:31:48
  share like correct me. But yeah, Rachel wrote in.
• 1:31:54
  So she's looking to share the story with us.
• 1:31:57
  So she's looking to qualify for the London Marathon and was
• 1:32:01
  trying to get into the is it championship start.
• 1:32:05
  And there's previously there was like set criteria around how you
• 1:32:10
  would go about qualifying. And she's returning from injury.
• 1:32:13
  So she ran 1/2 marathon with the, with the, with an eye to
• 1:32:17
  that being a qualifier for London and sort of went to use
• 1:32:21
  that. And then sort of right at the
• 1:32:23
  death the, the, the goal posts have moved.
• 1:32:28
  So like the London Marathon has sort of changed the entry
• 1:32:31
  standards for people looking to qualify for like to, to sort of
• 1:32:37
  get a championship start. And so it turns out unless
• 1:32:40
  you're a debutante, you don't get, you don't get the access to
• 1:32:45
  the using your half marathon entry standard.
• 1:32:48
  You have to use a marathon entry standard.
• 1:32:50
  So yeah, sort of two issues. One is the first issue is
• 1:32:55
  obviously changing the goal posts last minute.
• 1:32:57
  Like you sort of people are sort of people are using whatever the
• 1:33:02
  standards are and, and it's the same as the transparency needed
• 1:33:06
  for any of these World Championships and the like.
• 1:33:08
  People read the entry criteria, go and set themselves up to meet
• 1:33:13
  the standards and then race it. And then for it to be changed
• 1:33:15
  last minute doesn't make any sense.
• 1:33:17
  But then on top of that, why, which should you be?
• 1:33:21
  Why should there be any form of prejudice if you've actually
• 1:33:23
  raced a marathon in the past? It didn't doesn't make a lot of
• 1:33:26
  sense. Even so, the policy didn't make
• 1:33:28
  a lot of sense, let alone the fact that they changed at last
• 1:33:30
  minute. So Rachel sort of sent shared
• 1:33:33
  shared that with us and sort of said that she'd messaged the
• 1:33:37
  organisers to sort of express some disappointment around it.
• 1:33:41
  But then later in the week me ment mentioned on that things
• 1:33:45
  had changed. So I think sort of her, the
• 1:33:47
  first response she got was that that's just sort of not too bad,
• 1:33:52
  but sort of we set, we get to set the agenda and we have the
• 1:33:55
  right to sort of set the criteria as we see fit.
• 1:33:58
  But fortunately, it found its way into the right hands and
• 1:34:01
  someone's come to their senses and realized that that sort of
• 1:34:04
  doesn't make, that doesn't make a lot of sense.
• 1:34:06
  And they've gone back and and amended it.
• 1:34:08
  And so they respected the original criteria.
• 1:34:11
  And so I think Rachel and whoever else were that were
• 1:34:14
  looking to to get in and the same way are now able to get in.
• 1:34:17
  So yeah, a good double trouble in as far as like what they did,
• 1:34:23
  and that's not unusual. I've sort of seen similar
• 1:34:26
  situations in the past of changing of events, changing
• 1:34:31
  criteria for qualifying late in the pace, which is unfair
• 1:34:35
  towards athletes. But nice to know that, you know,
• 1:34:40
  sometimes it doesn't always is the case, like with your emails
• 1:34:43
  to British Athletics, Ryan, They're not always actioned, but
• 1:34:48
  nice to know that at least sometimes they are.
• 1:34:50
  And maybe gives us some hope that if you if we are in a
• 1:34:53
  similar situation in the in in the future, that perhaps a a
• 1:34:57
  polite e-mail framed in the right way might be read by the
• 1:35:00
  right person and lead to good positive change.
• 1:35:04
  Yeah, very well said. And I think that's the major
• 1:35:07
  part, isn't it? No, gone.
• 1:35:08
  I was ongoing a different double trouble.
• 1:35:10
  Keep on going. I'll, I'll wrap up quickly so we
• 1:35:12
  can get it because I'm sure it's, it's going to be a good
• 1:35:14
  one. Yeah.
• 1:35:16
  It's encouraging, isn't it, that if you do have these grunt laws
• 1:35:19
  and, and you, you're not happy with things that you can
• 1:35:22
  eventually lead to change? Because I think Rachel said
• 1:35:24
  maybe there was a few other people in the same position and
• 1:35:27
  maybe they'd see in an influx of not necessarily complaints, but
• 1:35:31
  queries and they've just not to congratulate them for doing the
• 1:35:35
  right thing, but they have gone ahead and reversed that
• 1:35:38
  decision. So yeah, good outcome.
• 1:35:41
  So like leave the for next week or do you want to do it this?
• 1:35:44
  Week, don't tease us like that. So I was looking at just running
• 1:35:50
  gear and I came across do you know the brands soar?
• 1:35:54
  Yeah. And guys, the prices they are
• 1:35:59
  charging people is actually like downright like not OK.
• 1:36:04
  Like there's a pair of running shorts on that and they're like
• 1:36:09
  euro. I can't imagine what the price
• 1:36:11
  is in freaking dollar, but it's they're charging like 300 four
• 1:36:16
  €100 for half tights and running shorts.
• 1:36:19
  I'm like, I don't care if they knock 10 minutes off your time
• 1:36:23
  charging that much for like a piece of material.
• 1:36:26
  Like it's, it's just downright bad.
• 1:36:29
  Like 600 six €100 for a running jacket.
• 1:36:32
  Huh. Did you ever see the like and
• 1:36:35
  actually get away with it? Like people actually spend money
• 1:36:37
  on this shit? No, it's totally wrong.
• 1:36:39
  Like seeing that for £200 like again, no matter what material
• 1:36:45
  it is they are, it's actually wrong and I feel like we should
• 1:36:48
  like cancel them. We so have partnered with other
• 1:36:53
  running podcasts in the past if you are interested, so please
• 1:36:57
  write in. If you can provide the listeners
• 1:37:00
  with an appropriate discount code, I'm sure we can spin this
• 1:37:03
  so that the quality proceed outweighs the cost.
• 1:37:06
  I actually, I actually don't think I called morally like
• 1:37:10
  promote this brand. It's so so wrong.
• 1:37:13
  Evidently now the kind of podcast now so.
• 1:37:17
  No we don't need them, £290.00 for a pair of half tights guys.
• 1:37:23
  He might be doing us a favor and that is he's isolating all the
• 1:37:27
  other brands so that they might be leaned towards us.
• 1:37:31
  Yeah, exactly. Crazy.
• 1:37:32
  It's crazy stuff and I just thought I'd to bring it up like
• 1:37:36
  a jacket for 600. Have you ever had any any sore
• 1:37:39
  stuff? I actually would refuse to buy
• 1:37:41
  it even if yeah now. You know what's funny, to be
• 1:37:43
  fair, last year at some point they've done this challenge
• 1:37:46
  where it was like run 100K in the month and you get £80
• 1:37:50
  voucher to spend on the store, stores saw store or something.
• 1:37:54
  And loads of the fellows who I'm in the group chat with from
• 1:37:57
  home, we're like striving towards it.
• 1:37:59
  And then it's not till the end when you get the voucher and
• 1:38:01
  then they went to the store and it's like fucking hell, it's
• 1:38:04
  still going to cost me like over £100 to get a pair of shots and.
• 1:38:11
  They're doing this thing, oh, marathon PB reward, where if you
• 1:38:14
  get a marathon and you can prove you got PB, you get 50 LB off 50
• 1:38:19
  LB. Like I said, I'll buy you one
• 1:38:22
  single sock from there. Shit.
• 1:38:25
  Oh sign up for 10% off your first order.
• 1:38:29
  Like get a grip your lot. No sorry, good luck.
• 1:38:32
  Free shipping to Ireland if you spend over €230 could get a
• 1:38:38
  flight over there and you could get a flight to in mainland
• 1:38:42
  Europe for Jibra. Do this.
• 1:38:45
  Speaking I was no, I don't know if I want to poke the beer
• 1:38:49
  anymore, but in terms of quality products, do we want to?
• 1:38:52
  Is now a good time to talk about the treadmill?
• 1:38:54
  Or yeah, my treadmill broke again guys.
• 1:38:56
  So I'm getting I'm getting a refund before I lose a lot of
• 1:39:00
  money. Yeah, not.
• 1:39:08
  If it was a sore treadmill, you wouldn't be having these
• 1:39:10
  problems. Wouldn't be able to afford it.
• 1:39:15
  Kidney or something? Yeah, that's so good.
• 1:39:19
  Anyway I. Have to go for a run.
• 1:39:22
  Run, run All that frustration out, that sort of frustration.
• 1:39:25
  That marks an outreach e-mail. We were draft an update and
• 1:39:28
  we'll just remove store from. The recipients.
• 1:39:31
  No, no. We got to stand for, got to
• 1:39:34
  stand for something. We appreciate it.
• 1:39:36
  It's a good double trouble. Going to call a spade a spade
• 1:39:38
  down. Yeah, like a sore hat would set
• 1:39:41
  you back $150.00 where if you buy an easy double hat, same.
• 1:39:47
  Probably £15. Well, seen as you mention it,
• 1:39:51
  and I'm not just saying this that we genuinely do only have
• 1:39:54
  like a very small quantity. So if you're interested, just
• 1:39:58
  make sure you you get one because I'm not just trying to
• 1:40:01
  say this to like build up hype and pheromone all this.
• 1:40:04
  They just probably won't be any soon.
• 1:40:08
  So thanks again, everyone. We'll be back next week and
• 1:40:10
  we'll bring double troubles and we'll go again.
• 1:40:13
  All right, see you guys. Good luck.
• 1:41:31
  The.