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O-Zone Podcast: Terry Robiskie and Marcus Pollard · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: The Welcome to the Ozone podcast featuring Jaguars dot Com
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Speaker 1: Senior writer John Osher and Jaguars executive producer Dave the Kendis.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna get right to it today because we have
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Speaker 1: two really good guests. We have Marcus Pollo, director of
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Speaker 1: player Development, and Terry Robisky, Jaguars running backs coach. It's
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Speaker 1: a topic this week and a conversation I've been looking
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Speaker 1: forward to having ever since all the unrest began, ever
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Speaker 1: since the marches with Leonard Fournett and the players in
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Speaker 1: recent weeks, and I in thinking about how to start
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Speaker 1: the conversation. I've known Terry a couple of years and
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Speaker 1: don't know him that well. I followed his career, but
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Speaker 1: don't know him that well. I've known Marcus for nineteen years.
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Speaker 1: I covered Marcus when I worked for the Colts and
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Speaker 1: he worked for the Colts. And Marcus, it strikes me
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Speaker 1: that you know, we've known each other nineteen years. I've
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Speaker 1: probably talked to you as much as I've ever talked
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Speaker 1: to an NFL player. Um, I've sat in your office
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Speaker 1: here at the Jags, I sat in the locker room
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Speaker 1: with the Colts, but yet we never really talked about
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Speaker 1: this issue. Probably not because of the way we feel
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Speaker 1: about each other, but it's just been over time, not
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Speaker 1: something if you ever got close to it, there was
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Speaker 1: that sort of awkward where are we going with this?
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Speaker 1: And when you're with the Colts, and I think you
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Speaker 1: would agree with this. There was probably no more unifying
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Speaker 1: guy in the locker room than you. I would walk
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Speaker 1: into the locker room and I would see you talking
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Speaker 1: to Edri and James and Reggie Wayne. You could turn
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Speaker 1: around and talk to Dallas Clark and Peyton manning it
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Speaker 1: with the same personality, same guy. But my guess is
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Speaker 1: even with Peyton and Dallas and your white teammates and
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Speaker 1: the Colts, this subject maybe didn't come up, or if
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Speaker 1: it did, probably didn't dig as deep as you have
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Speaker 1: in the last couple of weeks. I guess that's a
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Speaker 1: long winded way of saying do you feel And Terry,
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Speaker 1: I'll ask you this too, Do you feel like this
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Speaker 1: time is going to change that? Or or is that
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Speaker 1: the hope is that the feeling? How would you address that?
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Speaker 1: I guess the the hope is is that, um that
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Speaker 1: it changes. But if nothing else is starting a conversation,
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Speaker 1: and I think having having the ability to to talk
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Speaker 1: to Dallas and talk to Peyton and then turn and
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Speaker 1: talk to Edging and and Reggie Way and the same thing. U.
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Speaker 1: But it's different this time. It feels different to me.
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Speaker 1: This time, things that are are occurring are different. And
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Speaker 1: you mentioned our march as an organization and players something
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Speaker 1: that they wanted to do. If I'm not mistaken, I
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Speaker 1: think it's the first time in history in NFL, in
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Speaker 1: it professional organization has done something in that magnitude. So
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Speaker 1: to me, that's history being made in itself. So it
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Speaker 1: feels different. And I think when when you talk about
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Speaker 1: having teammates that even to you and I Jail, we
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Speaker 1: spent a bunch of time in office rapping and talking.
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Speaker 1: I'll come by the office and talk in your space.
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Speaker 1: And so to me, the reason people haven't had those
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Speaker 1: conversations because they're uncomfortable and so and so now that
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Speaker 1: you are having to face those uncomfortable conversations, now you
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Speaker 1: can get things done. Because now if you go back
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Speaker 1: four years when we were here, what the whole conversation
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Speaker 1: about Colin Kaepernick and whatever people felt about that, it
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Speaker 1: was still basically what we're talking about now. But to me,
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Speaker 1: this time and based on Chris uh Connelly's words, this
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Speaker 1: should not be a moment, should be a movement. And
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Speaker 1: if we're thinking about moving, that means this thing has
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Speaker 1: to go continuously, not just stopping, because there's a whole
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Speaker 1: lot of energy and emotion surrounding it now. But to me,
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Speaker 1: I feel like there are actually things you're getting done.
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Speaker 1: The mayor just you know, ripped down some statues there
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Speaker 1: in downtown to take the mask off of some of
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Speaker 1: the racism that's happened here in the past. And no
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Speaker 1: longer will we stand for what's been happening. And so
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Speaker 1: when you can have those kind of conversations, they are
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Speaker 1: going to be difficult, and they should be because once
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Speaker 1: you have a conversation with somebody and they don't necessarily
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Speaker 1: feel the same view as you, and they didn't get
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Speaker 1: an understanding of what you've had to deal with, that's
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Speaker 1: exactly what we need to have. I think I'll jump
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Speaker 1: in here to John is what's interesting too is listening
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Speaker 1: to Marcus because in hearing Marcus talk, I'm hearing um um.
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Speaker 1: Years later, you know I'm hearing I'm hearing a different time.
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Speaker 1: You know, when when when you hear Marcus said that Hey,
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Speaker 1: we're talking about a movement, and and and we're talking
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Speaker 1: about moving that needle. And you know, Marcus said, well,
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Speaker 1: maybe maybe that will be changed, maybe we'll move, maybe
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Speaker 1: it won't. We don't know that. You know, I'm here
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Speaker 1: to tell Marcus it's happening. I mean, it's trust me,
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Speaker 1: it's moving, you know what I mean. Because and again
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Speaker 1: I've gotta go, I've gotta go a different direction with
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Speaker 1: you guys, because I grew up. I grew up in
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Speaker 1: an environment where I didn't it wasn't really there wasn't
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Speaker 1: white people in my environment. And again, maybe Marcus the
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Speaker 1: situation was different. I don't know Marcus is high school,
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Speaker 1: his elementary school, I don't know, you know who was
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Speaker 1: his classmates. I don't know who markets met the class with,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I tell people I
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Speaker 1: grew up in a hometown of people. Maybe maybe I'm
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Speaker 1: I'm hard pressed to believe it was two hundred white
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Speaker 1: people in my hometown. I went to high school. My
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Speaker 1: high high school were very small, about four hundred, four
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Speaker 1: hundred students, And I never saw I never saw white
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Speaker 1: kids in high school until we played them in sports.
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Speaker 1: We we we didn't do that even when America said, uh,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna integrate, we had a lot of our especially
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Speaker 1: our good athletes. A lot of all good players left
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Speaker 1: from us and went to the white school because they
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Speaker 1: thought they'd given a better opportunity to go progress and
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Speaker 1: and and and become better players and get scholarships. But
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Speaker 1: nobody left that white school and came to our school.
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Speaker 1: I mean, not even not even a cheerleader, you know
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Speaker 1: what I mean. But then I on the other side
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Speaker 1: of that lead from there, and I signed a scholarship
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Speaker 1: with one of the largest white universities in the world
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Speaker 1: in l U understand. So I go from a hometown
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Speaker 1: of people to three hundred white people the twenty five
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Speaker 1: thousand white students on the campus, you know, and it
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Speaker 1: was only seven of us when I got there. But
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Speaker 1: from there, I left and went to the Oakland Raiders,
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Speaker 1: and some of my best friends became, uh became white guys.
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Speaker 1: I mean, and again you know, when I got there,
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Speaker 1: they had just won the Super Bowl, so we all
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Speaker 1: loved everybody, you know. So, like you said, Marcus talked
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Speaker 1: to Peyton on one side and then talked the wing
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Speaker 1: on the other side. You know, I understand that I
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Speaker 1: understand all of it. But the thing I'll say is
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Speaker 1: the things I have seen in recent days when market
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Speaker 1: said a minute ago, we were at the market yesterday,
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Speaker 1: when the mayor says that statue was coming down, marcuts.
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Speaker 1: You gotta know it's it's changing. You better believe. You
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Speaker 1: better believe it's changing, you know. And that's why when
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Speaker 1: I was on the step and I stood up and
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Speaker 1: spoke and said what I said on Friday again in
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Speaker 1: my little bit of community back home, I think nineteen
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Speaker 1: six and seven or sixty eight, one of them, two
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Speaker 1: years that we marched. We marched against an all white
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Speaker 1: school board because they had fired a black coach that
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Speaker 1: we had, and we decided we was gonna march it.
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Speaker 1: We was gonna pick it. And what I'm saying is
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Speaker 1: all my life at that little bitty school down in Louisiana.
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Speaker 1: We were always the second class group. We were always
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Speaker 1: the blacks that didn't matter, you understand. Uh. Nothing we
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Speaker 1: did to nobody mattered, but it mattered to us, you understand.
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Speaker 1: And what I'm saying is for me is from my
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Speaker 1: very first march again in the eighteen sixty seven, when
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Speaker 1: I was thirteen years old, shot con and Doug Marone
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Speaker 1: and Dave Carlwell was on the other side of that march.
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Speaker 1: For me, those were the guys we were looking at
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Speaker 1: and yelling at and cussing that, and fussing that and
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Speaker 1: going at You understand. The thing that I have seen
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Speaker 1: as different is when you said a minute ago, you
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Speaker 1: and Marcus have had a lot of conversation over the years,
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Speaker 1: but y'all have never been able to talk about racial issues.
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Speaker 1: Y'all never. The thing that's been phenomenally beautiful for me
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Speaker 1: is in Jacksonville as a Jaguar, I've set with a
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Speaker 1: head coach who's comfortable in that environment. Doug Marone is
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Speaker 1: comfortable to sit down and talk about racism in America,
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Speaker 1: not just racist is him in the NFL Before, never
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Speaker 1: in my whole entire life had I ever seen that,
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Speaker 1: You understand, And again, you know, I can tell you
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Speaker 1: some of the head coaches I played for and the
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Speaker 1: head coaches I worked for, some of the greatest ever
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Speaker 1: coached the game. But to be able to sit down
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Speaker 1: and have a conversation about the treatment of black people
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Speaker 1: in America, I've only had one that's ever did that.
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Speaker 1: And then the kick about that is to have a
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Speaker 1: Doug Marone who can have that discussion and be open
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Speaker 1: about it. Now we're not sitting there using the inny work,
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Speaker 1: but we're sitting there having a conversation, and this guy
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Speaker 1: can talk about his feelings, his family, their thought process
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Speaker 1: about blacks and how blacks are being treated. And then
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Speaker 1: after I get up from that desk of talking with
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Speaker 1: Doug Moron, I hear as an owner of the same
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Speaker 1: organization that stood up and talk about the ray sism
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Speaker 1: he has seen. Mhmm to him, you understand what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: So that is movement in itself that's unbelievable. To believe
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Speaker 1: that it's coming from the top. You understand what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: So again, there's always been Marcus and I and other
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Speaker 1: little guys whispering shooting, But now to have to have
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Speaker 1: these big people that's at the top top of their
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Speaker 1: professional to go back and say, yes, I remember I
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Speaker 1: saw this. Oh my god, that ain't right, and they
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Speaker 1: have shod say yes, this happened to me. You understand
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. This is unbelievable. And that's why I
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Speaker 1: said today with the Jacksonville Jaguars is a phenomenal thing
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Speaker 1: and again I can sit and tell Marcus it's changing,
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Speaker 1: but believe me, it's changing. You know, Yeah, I think
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Speaker 1: I think when I was saying that, I was speaking
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Speaker 1: about the change being more of a consistency and us
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Speaker 1: for now, but okay, that the statu would come down
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Speaker 1: to day and then three months from now, what are
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Speaker 1: we doing is still move the needle. That's what I
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Speaker 1: meant by by the change. I hope that you know.
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Speaker 1: I think you continue to have tough conversations. I think
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Speaker 1: you have to build legislature, take energy, right energy to
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Speaker 1: keep doing. Yes it does, Yes it does. And to me,
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Speaker 1: it's just like, uh, Terry is a prime example of
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Speaker 1: someone who came from a small high school who probably
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Speaker 1: was kind of overlooked, go to the l s U
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Speaker 1: and plays, well, it didn't happen naturally, it didn't happen easy.
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Speaker 1: What Terry did he worked at it and he put
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Speaker 1: himself in a position to be successful with a l
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Speaker 1: s U. To me, this scenario ain't gonna being a
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Speaker 1: different It's gonna take some hard work, grind, sweat, tears,
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Speaker 1: bleeding together to really get it turned around. And that's
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Speaker 1: the change. You want a more consistent change, not just
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Speaker 1: you know, fly by night. Everybody are still in their
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Speaker 1: emotions about what happened, you know, sixteen days ago. But
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Speaker 1: here we are sixteen years from now. And the hope
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Speaker 1: is that is a lot better because there's a tendency
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Speaker 1: you know, with things like this, Okay, we did the march,
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Speaker 1: we did this, and people almost want to say, okay,
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Speaker 1: now is that it because that's usually how the news
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Speaker 1: cycles go and things like that. Things fad. We always
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Speaker 1: got to fight that feeling of letting it wane, right,
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Speaker 1: And I hope I'm saying that right. So I can
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Speaker 1: give you to two examples as tragic, tragic as nine
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Speaker 1: eleven was. You can't go through the airport the same
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Speaker 1: way anymore, right, COVID nineteen has vastly changed how we
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Speaker 1: do everything, interact, sports, watch TV, having these meetings, so
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Speaker 1: this should be no difference if it changed this point.
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Speaker 1: At this point, that has to be that systemic change
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Speaker 1: where we don't go back, we learned from what happened
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Speaker 1: and keep moving forward. We can't just let it die
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Speaker 1: out because it's been that that impactful, not just for
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Speaker 1: our country, but if you look at the protests and
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Speaker 1: the things that are happened around the world. It's affecting everybody.
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Speaker 1: And those folks in London, they don't they don't know
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Speaker 1: no about them from Minnesota. But it's about the Movement's
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Speaker 1: about the message and that's what we have to be
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Speaker 1: more consistent about. And to me, how you do that
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Speaker 1: is you have to be consistent, you have to be diligent,
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Speaker 1: and you have to have those people in place that
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Speaker 1: are willing to continue to pick up the mental every day.
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Speaker 1: Do you think Marcus in Terry sort of touched on
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Speaker 1: aspect that to get your thoughts as well? Here, you know,
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Speaker 1: does the fact that Shod wrote what he wrote, You
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Speaker 1: guys have been in a position to talk to more
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Speaker 1: players than we have since it started. Does that resonate?
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Speaker 1: Does that matter to them that he was on sort
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Speaker 1: of the front edge of that or front edge whatever
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Speaker 1: you call that. Does that matter? Absolutely? Absolutely? Um, I
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Speaker 1: think any time, and I think Chris Chris Connie talked
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Speaker 1: about that little bit one day on the meeting on
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Speaker 1: the machine where he was saying and and and we
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Speaker 1: all know that feeling. I think Marcus knows it too.
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Speaker 1: He was saying, Chris was saying kind of a back
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Speaker 1: in the day five years ago, when they were taking
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Speaker 1: the knee. He was in Kansas City and he I think,
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Speaker 1: and Marcus, you can help me with this, But I
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Speaker 1: think he was saying a little bit of the stress
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Speaker 1: that came from him taking the knee, and every day
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Speaker 1: had to talk to the PR guy, and every morning
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Speaker 1: at the express himself to somebody and be kept asking
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Speaker 1: you are you're gonna take a knee? You're not gonna
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Speaker 1: take a knee? What are you gonna do? Yeah, he
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Speaker 1: said he got frustrated with that. He got frustrated with it.
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Speaker 1: And I think that wears on you. You know what
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Speaker 1: I mean. I think that that that in itself. Every day,
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Speaker 1: that thing wears on you. You gotta tell the PR
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Speaker 1: got gonna take a your knee. Yes, I know I'm
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Speaker 1: not where you gotta speak to this. You gotta do that.
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Speaker 1: But when you sit down and say, hey guys, we're
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Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, as an owner in front of you that
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Speaker 1: said this happened to him and it's wrong. You know
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Speaker 1: when he said, it kills lives, It kills hope, it
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Speaker 1: kills dream, it destroys community. You know what it is.
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Speaker 1: You don't need to look over your shoulder because the
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Speaker 1: guy who's in charge of this. He's in front of you,
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Speaker 1: So I gotta believe. Again, I keep saying, I hope
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Speaker 1: it resonates to the players like it do to me,
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Speaker 1: because I hadn't been on both sides of that fence,
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Speaker 1: and I know what it's like, you know, when you're
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Speaker 1: looking over your shoulder to see I wonder if my
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Speaker 1: big boss heard me say that, you know what I mean?
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Speaker 1: And and this is one of those my big boss
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Speaker 1: said it. He didn't hear me, he said he said it.
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Speaker 1: And the kicking part for this is we've kind of
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Speaker 1: got a tag team going here when one big boss,
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Speaker 1: when one big boss isn't there to said the other
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Speaker 1: big bosses there said it the first day we walk,
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Speaker 1: you know, I shout it. Already released his press release,
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Speaker 1: but he wasn't there for the march, you understand. And
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Speaker 1: again I'm gonna go back and said again, to have
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Speaker 1: Doug maron Uh stand in front of that Jack was
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Speaker 1: that you that same statue outside the gate, and for
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Speaker 1: him to just be able to tell the press, I
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Speaker 1: have never been black. I won't know what it would
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Speaker 1: be like to be black in America. I don't know
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Speaker 1: what his life to rease black kids in America. He
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Speaker 1: didn't have to say nothing else. He did nothing else.
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Speaker 1: If that don't resonate with the people who's following him,
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Speaker 1: something wrong, Marcus, did you, um, did you get the
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Speaker 1: same vibe? I assume because you were closely with all
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Speaker 1: the players, I'm assuming you got sort of that same
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Speaker 1: vibe and the players during that of Okay, what Terry's
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Speaker 1: talking about, Doug supports this, dougs on board, and that's
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Speaker 1: a different You know, it's hard to put that into words,
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Speaker 1: but I guess you just feel it as a players
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Speaker 1: at somebody in your position. Yeah, you know, to me,
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Speaker 1: when Shot came out with a statement and then coaching
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Speaker 1: Ron following it up with what we're doing now having
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Speaker 1: an action, I don't think you have to say anything.
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Speaker 1: I think there's a genuine feeling amongst the players that
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Speaker 1: they feel and coach Maron said it. He said, if
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Speaker 1: you guys are active in protests, you don't have to
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Speaker 1: worry about getting cut. If you get cut, it would
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Speaker 1: be because you weren't good enough. It won't be because
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Speaker 1: you're protesting. And to me, in that in itself, to
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Speaker 1: me has to be comforting because part of the reason
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Speaker 1: we got here is based on something that everybody knows.
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Speaker 1: Peyton Thompson said it was probably not a fair accurate
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Speaker 1: statement about coach Maron, and Coach Maron felt some kind
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Speaker 1: of way about it, which I totally understand, but had
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Speaker 1: not Peyton made the statement, could coach have gotten where
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Speaker 1: we are now? I don't know, but the fact that
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Speaker 1: he did to me says a lot about what we
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Speaker 1: are doing and that people are changing the thought process
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Speaker 1: behind this whole thing and changing. To have the head coach,
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Speaker 1: the GM and the owner feels so passionate about what
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Speaker 1: we're doing. It makes it easy for the players who
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Speaker 1: want to walk and do whatever they feel comfortable doing
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Speaker 1: and speaking their minds as Leonard did in the protests.
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Speaker 1: Chris Collin got up and so eloquently put his message
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Speaker 1: out there for everybody to hear, and doing his history
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Speaker 1: and research before he even spoke, so to me, that's
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Speaker 1: part of it. And you know, John, let me add
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Speaker 1: this to is that being in my position as a
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Speaker 1: youth football director as well, I've kind of got to
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Speaker 1: do au basketball coach and I know a lot of
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Speaker 1: high school football coachers. Well. I was asked recently to
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Speaker 1: be on a call, what about thirty local high school
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Speaker 1: coach and a few college coaches, and based on what
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Speaker 1: I've experienced in my short time in the sixteen days
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Speaker 1: since UH George Flord's death, I talked to him about
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Speaker 1: three things that I thought are actionable steps. And to me,
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Speaker 1: a lot of times people always talk about, you know,
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Speaker 1: here are the issues. You know, Blacks are being killed
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Speaker 1: by the police, there's economic divide, you know, there are
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Speaker 1: a whole multitude of things that people are concerned with.
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Speaker 1: But the three things I encourage those folks on that
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Speaker 1: call was, first of all, we have to we have
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Speaker 1: to listen. You gotta listen. First of all, you gotta listening.
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Speaker 1: Coach Maron has done a phenomen o job. Hey, I
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Speaker 1: don't know tell me what I need to know. I've
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Speaker 1: never been black. I don't know what it's like to
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Speaker 1: have black kids. I don't know what it feels like
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Speaker 1: to have a black kid lead the house, driving the
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Speaker 1: car and they get pulled over and beat up because
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Speaker 1: simply because he's black. Listen, you have to learn, and
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Speaker 1: to me, to get a real genuine understanding, you have
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Speaker 1: to take yourself back, although it may be uncomfortable. Chris
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Speaker 1: Connelly reminded us of some of the history that we
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Speaker 1: attach ourselves to. A Saxon millions. Chris reminded us of
19:27
Speaker 1: those tragedies. Until you learn, you can't doing it better.
19:30
Speaker 1: And the third one is you have to lift. And
19:32
Speaker 1: I think that's where we are now. We're we've listened,
19:34
Speaker 1: we were learning and will continue to lift, not just
19:37
Speaker 1: the heads for hearts, but everything that comes with that.
19:40
Speaker 1: And that's what you have to continue to do. Listen,
19:42
Speaker 1: learn and lift and to me that if we can
19:44
Speaker 1: continue to do that from now, we're making traction. When
19:47
Speaker 1: the uh, the unrest and the situation sixteen days ago,
19:52
Speaker 1: when this first started becoming a topic with the players
19:54
Speaker 1: and you guys were under zoom cause I'm sure it
19:56
Speaker 1: was a topic fast, did you expect it to go
20:01
Speaker 1: this way? I assume at first there had to have
20:04
Speaker 1: been sort of a nervousness of Hey, what's gonna happen here?
20:07
Speaker 1: How is this gonna play out? Will this be divisive?
20:12
Speaker 1: I'm assuming those feelings were strong. I guess that's what
20:14
Speaker 1: I'm asking. And how hard was it to get to
20:17
Speaker 1: where it was about conversation and you found productivity? And
20:21
Speaker 1: I guess I can ask you about in sixteen days ago. Um,
20:26
Speaker 1: guys are really frustrated, mad, just trying to figure out Sure, yeah,
20:33
Speaker 1: you know, quite frankly, simply emotional on what to do.
20:37
Speaker 1: But in that having these zoom calls, and again we
20:40
Speaker 1: keep throwing it back to Doug Moron, but he's been awesome.
20:43
Speaker 1: He really has men, because you know, once we started
20:45
Speaker 1: talking about what can we do as a group, coaches
20:48
Speaker 1: like later for meetings. I know we gotta win football games,
20:51
Speaker 1: and know we gotta learn the offensive, defense and special teams.
20:53
Speaker 1: But this is bigger than football. And when you hear that,
20:56
Speaker 1: and you hear the head coach said that to a
20:58
Speaker 1: team that's hurting, now you're showing empathy, and now guys
21:01
Speaker 1: are like, okay, I can rock with this too. So
21:04
Speaker 1: even even even in the midst of having that sense
21:08
Speaker 1: of anger and hostility and emotions, a guy who's white, so, okay,
21:15
Speaker 1: I understand this ain't high football on them all. What
21:17
Speaker 1: can I do to help y'all? And when you get
21:18
Speaker 1: that kind of connection with the head coach and the
21:21
Speaker 1: team and the owner that says okay, and a and
21:25
Speaker 1: a mayor and a sheriff that says okay, now you've
21:28
Speaker 1: got a bunch of people moving in the right direction. Terry,
21:31
Speaker 1: don't know how you feel about that, but no, no,
21:33
Speaker 1: I agree. I mean I agree with your thousand percent.
21:35
Speaker 1: And again I can, I think I can kind of
21:38
Speaker 1: I can kind of do like you doing piggyback you
21:40
Speaker 1: and uh, I guess something that we we we got
21:44
Speaker 1: we got to get tired talking about Doug Moron. I
21:48
Speaker 1: think the big thing about that, John is and I'm
21:50
Speaker 1: gonna go back with you on something else too, but
21:53
Speaker 1: the big thing about that is when you're sitting with
21:56
Speaker 1: when you're sitting with Doug, and and when Doug is
21:59
Speaker 1: kind of sitting now talking about and let me just
22:02
Speaker 1: be a little frank, like he said, I'm sitting my
22:04
Speaker 1: fat ass on the couch. When he's at home sitting
22:08
Speaker 1: his fat ass on the couch. He's got a wife
22:11
Speaker 1: that's gonna say, no, you're getting up, let's go. We're
22:12
Speaker 1: doing this. And then to hear him say he walked
22:15
Speaker 1: with his kids when he tells that football team, I
22:20
Speaker 1: got up and walked with my kids because my kids
22:24
Speaker 1: said that this ain't right, and this wasn't and it
22:27
Speaker 1: was and this was a protest that wasn't even associated
22:30
Speaker 1: with one of the players or the organization. It was
22:32
Speaker 1: the one that was just in the community that he
22:34
Speaker 1: wanted to be a part of. Yes, but again, the thing,
22:37
Speaker 1: the thing I'm gonna say, the thing I'm gonna say John,
22:39
Speaker 1: is this. And again they're like I told Markus a
22:42
Speaker 1: minute ago. Um, you know, my my forty six years
22:47
Speaker 1: and forget the forty six shi in the NFL, but
22:49
Speaker 1: my six or five years of life. And to come
22:52
Speaker 1: from where I came from to see where the world
22:55
Speaker 1: is today. Uh, it's it's changing. It's forever changing. And
23:00
Speaker 1: and and and there's a million things that's changing every
23:03
Speaker 1: day you follow me, and and and I guess John,
23:06
Speaker 1: and little you and I those dinosaurs here and uh
23:08
Speaker 1: what's happening is we were sitting now looking at those
23:12
Speaker 1: changes and and and and as they tell you what
23:14
Speaker 1: therek You know, if you don't step up, you get
23:15
Speaker 1: swallowed up. You heard Marcus said a minute ago, Right,
23:19
Speaker 1: Marcus touched on two things. And as soon as you said,
23:21
Speaker 1: I thought about two three others. Marcaut said. The way
23:24
Speaker 1: we walked through an airport has changed forever because of
23:29
Speaker 1: what Marcus eleven eleven, Yes, sir, he said coronas. That's
23:36
Speaker 1: Corona's disease. That's that's really really recent, you know what
23:41
Speaker 1: I mean, there's really reason that has changed the world forever.
23:45
Speaker 1: You know, listen, years and years ago, it was something
23:47
Speaker 1: came up immediately, something came about cancer. Cancer changed the
23:52
Speaker 1: world forever. Now let me give you another one. Listen
23:55
Speaker 1: to me, good. Uh, it's another one. That's a sleeping
23:58
Speaker 1: giant that I kind of watch America. Keep my eyes
24:01
Speaker 1: on stuff. They are world changes. That's the thing that
24:05
Speaker 1: that's going on right now. Is that me too. Movement?
24:08
Speaker 1: Respectful women, you understand, that's a hell of a deal.
24:12
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you, if we as Americans don't
24:16
Speaker 1: keep eye on it and respect it and learn to
24:20
Speaker 1: learn to love it and understand it, you got it'll
24:23
Speaker 1: swallow us up, you know, because that's big. That's big.
24:26
Speaker 1: I mean, you see what's going on with that And
24:28
Speaker 1: and John I can tell you that's a hell of
24:29
Speaker 1: a movement too. It's a lot of things that are
24:32
Speaker 1: really really stepping forward and changing the world and changing
24:37
Speaker 1: the world. And I believe where we are in football
24:39
Speaker 1: today or where we are in society today, and what's
24:42
Speaker 1: going on in society to the day with this guy's
24:45
Speaker 1: Mr Floyd's dead. I don't think we're going back. I
24:48
Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna ever change how we go through
24:50
Speaker 1: the airport. I don't think the me Too movements can
24:53
Speaker 1: ever go away. I don't think I don't think we're
24:56
Speaker 1: ever going back. I think where we are now, we
25:00
Speaker 1: we got something going. I think that snowball is rolling
25:02
Speaker 1: on the hill. It might get a little bigger, and
25:04
Speaker 1: it might should on a little bit, but I don't
25:05
Speaker 1: think we're ever going back. You talked about you you're
25:09
Speaker 1: your first March when you're thirteen. It does sound like
25:13
Speaker 1: there's party that's pleased with what you're seeing and hopeful
25:16
Speaker 1: about direction. Absolutely absolutely, because just exactly exactly what Marcus
25:23
Speaker 1: touched on a minute ago is every day we're becoming
25:28
Speaker 1: more and more open to the conversation. And I think again,
25:33
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna stop after this, but I think again,
25:36
Speaker 1: when everybody, when everybody here sees Big Barone and Sean
25:41
Speaker 1: con and even David Carlwell, when they see them sit
25:45
Speaker 1: on and talk about it openly, openly, man, that's about
25:50
Speaker 1: That's about his progressive is progressive can get and and
25:53
Speaker 1: and and I'm telling you. Uh, it's impressive. Ye let
25:57
Speaker 1: me let me. Let me add this too. Let me
25:59
Speaker 1: add this to uh. The other facet of my job
26:02
Speaker 1: as player engagement talking about you football a little bit.
26:05
Speaker 1: The other part is is a very unique group in
26:08
Speaker 1: player Engagement. There's only thirty two of us UM and
26:12
Speaker 1: we often get together and share best practices. And we've
26:16
Speaker 1: had calls recently about what we're talking about now. And
26:19
Speaker 1: I find it so disheartening and saddened that organizations are
26:26
Speaker 1: not having these conversations. How can you not how can
26:30
Speaker 1: you not have these conversations? How can you not feel
26:34
Speaker 1: that there are some injustices across the board and not
26:38
Speaker 1: have you get the idea? And it isn't going on everywhere, Marcus, Oh,
26:42
Speaker 1: I know it's not. I'm telling for that's why it included.
26:46
Speaker 1: It's not. It's not. Okay, it's not. It's not. A
26:50
Speaker 1: lot of people are are talking, but nobody or lifting
26:54
Speaker 1: might have talked about lifting, lifting, and those organizations antybody
26:58
Speaker 1: lifting there listening, they're learning, but they ain't lifting at
27:02
Speaker 1: this point. If you're gonna make a change, you gotta
27:04
Speaker 1: do all three and some of these organizations are not
27:07
Speaker 1: doing it. As I said, at the top. There's so
27:09
Speaker 1: many areas you could go to and this could be
27:13
Speaker 1: a week long conversation. But I'm curious about what you
27:17
Speaker 1: guys have learned about the players. I asked you first, Harry,
27:23
Speaker 1: the players that you coach, and the players that you've
27:25
Speaker 1: talked to the most. I say, every knows you have
27:28
Speaker 1: a great relationship with Leonard Fournett and you were there.
27:30
Speaker 1: What have you learned about your guys? I guess as
27:33
Speaker 1: men through all this, I think that um I think
27:39
Speaker 1: on the line, what Marcus are saying is they're they
27:42
Speaker 1: are listening, they are learning, and they're willing to lift.
27:46
Speaker 1: I think they are. I think the other side that
27:49
Speaker 1: is they're not afraid. They're not afraid of a challenge.
27:53
Speaker 1: They're not afraid of compete on the field and off
27:57
Speaker 1: the field and their vocal and they're not afraid. Especially Lena,
28:03
Speaker 1: which I think I already knew, he's not afraid to
28:07
Speaker 1: be out front, you know. I mean, he's not afraid
28:10
Speaker 1: to be out front. And he's absolutely not afraid to
28:13
Speaker 1: stand up and speak about what's right or what's wrong.
28:18
Speaker 1: And again I think for Lenna, his mindset is, you know,
28:22
Speaker 1: wrong is wrong, color don't matter. If it's wrong, it's wrong,
28:27
Speaker 1: and he's not afraid to do it. I think the
28:30
Speaker 1: thing that was very very touching for me, uh with
28:34
Speaker 1: yesterday markets at Lena's march, the thing that was very
28:37
Speaker 1: touching for me was to be able to see Lenna
28:39
Speaker 1: stand up on the step with the mayor and say,
28:42
Speaker 1: this is my second home. Oh well I want Jacksonville,
28:46
Speaker 1: I want jackson Ville. No, this is my second home.
28:48
Speaker 1: And then I looked at the crowd and whatever was
28:50
Speaker 1: what it was mark two three thousand people, and I'm like, wow,
28:54
Speaker 1: I don't think his first home lacking that much. I mean,
28:56
Speaker 1: I know some people first home, so that was impressed
29:00
Speaker 1: it for me. But um, to see him there, to
29:02
Speaker 1: see Q was there, Raquel was there, Chris was there.
29:05
Speaker 1: To see those guys there with each other, supporting each other. Uh.
29:09
Speaker 1: And and the rest of the team, not just those
29:11
Speaker 1: three running backs, just the players themselves. To see that, uh,
29:15
Speaker 1: the players, To see the players more open minded and
29:22
Speaker 1: more willing to stand up and speak up and say
29:24
Speaker 1: something and do something. It's just it's a blessing. This
29:28
Speaker 1: will forever change this group. And I try to make
29:31
Speaker 1: it about football because it's about bigger than that. But
29:34
Speaker 1: people watching this do care about the Jaguars. People listening
29:36
Speaker 1: to it. It's gonna change how these guys to feel
29:40
Speaker 1: about each other, and uh, I guess relate to each
29:43
Speaker 1: other probably for the rest of their lives. Won't on
29:46
Speaker 1: some level. I mean, being a part of this together
29:49
Speaker 1: will matter. I agree. One. You know, oftentimes when people
29:53
Speaker 1: have adverse situations, it brings them closer in a relationship
29:57
Speaker 1: and a household and sports or no different. And when
30:00
Speaker 1: you have something that's as powerful and then as impactful
30:05
Speaker 1: as racism, and you have every guy standing on that
30:08
Speaker 1: line that says that don't matter what color I am,
30:11
Speaker 1: was wrong, was wrong? Was rights right? You start to
30:13
Speaker 1: build a bond and a unity that will pass the
30:17
Speaker 1: next twenty five years. So whether this team goes to
30:19
Speaker 1: the super Bowl or not, they will have something special
30:22
Speaker 1: that they can always look back at and say, you
30:25
Speaker 1: know what, I was a part of that back in
30:28
Speaker 1: two thousand twenty. I'm six or five years old, but
30:32
Speaker 1: I was a part of that first ever march in
30:34
Speaker 1: Jacksonville that I hope made a difference now on It
30:38
Speaker 1: doesn't matter about a super Bowl, doesn't matter about who
30:41
Speaker 1: gives super Bowl MVP at this point for what they've accomplished,
30:44
Speaker 1: they have something much stronger bond than any game they're
30:47
Speaker 1: ever playing or win. Because it strikes me this is,
30:50
Speaker 1: you know, every time Doug talks this off season, talks
30:53
Speaker 1: about what a young team that says, but it strikes
30:57
Speaker 1: yet and again I've not been in the Zoom conversation,
30:59
Speaker 1: so I haven't heard it. Been listening to you guys,
31:02
Speaker 1: it strikes you that there's a lot of young guys
31:04
Speaker 1: who or maybe a little more mature beyond their years.
31:08
Speaker 1: And maybe I'm making too much of it, but but
31:11
Speaker 1: it sounds like for a young team, they've handled or
31:15
Speaker 1: approach this situation, I guess pretty maturely. I don't know
31:19
Speaker 1: if it words in your mouth, but it feels like
31:22
Speaker 1: that from what you're telling me. And I agree with
31:24
Speaker 1: that ad percent. I don't know how Marcus feels, but
31:27
Speaker 1: like you're saying, is uh to hear DJ talking? You
31:30
Speaker 1: know DJ is a third year guy, you know, to
31:32
Speaker 1: hear D Chris, I understand, you know. I see Chris
31:35
Speaker 1: like old man, you know, and Chris has been through it,
31:38
Speaker 1: been a couple of places and see it. But like
31:40
Speaker 1: a DJ steps up and say what he says, you know,
31:42
Speaker 1: even letting in my mind it's still you know, young,
31:44
Speaker 1: you know, in the business to hear him speak up
31:46
Speaker 1: this morning, Charles spoke up. Charles a tight end from
31:50
Speaker 1: last year. Uh just kind of yeah, you know, I mean,
31:53
Speaker 1: Charles is just was just a rookie last year and
31:56
Speaker 1: he spoke up this morning. You know. So. But again,
31:59
Speaker 1: now let me see this to you. And again I
32:02
Speaker 1: said I wouldn't, but I think those guys are. I
32:05
Speaker 1: think those guys are open with open with they with
32:09
Speaker 1: their thoughts and talking because there's two guys at the top,
32:13
Speaker 1: the two leaders at the top is open that for him,
32:16
Speaker 1: is open that for him, you know what I mean.
32:18
Speaker 1: And and you know, it's just it's just the way
32:20
Speaker 1: of the world, you know what I mean. I could,
32:22
Speaker 1: like you said, we could do this show for two days.
32:24
Speaker 1: I could give you some stories. I mean, I could
32:26
Speaker 1: give you some stories, you know what I mean. But uh,
32:30
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's hard. But I think again, when
32:32
Speaker 1: you got the two owners up front, the guy that
32:34
Speaker 1: we that I'm on here with, Marcus has been phenomenal
32:36
Speaker 1: in leading those guys. Marcus has been been fabulous communicating
32:41
Speaker 1: with them. Uh, taking on their notes, taking down their ideals,
32:44
Speaker 1: and then bringing them to the table and saying, hey,
32:47
Speaker 1: speak up, you know, speak up, we got you, We're here,
32:50
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And then every everything that's
32:53
Speaker 1: been saying, everything has been saying, everything that we've done,
32:57
Speaker 1: everything we've followed, every pattern that has been said, it's
32:59
Speaker 1: been done to Marcus. And he's been at every march.
33:02
Speaker 1: Every guy has seen it. And let me get you
33:04
Speaker 1: another one. We started our meeting this morning. We get
33:07
Speaker 1: on the computer this morning and Mr kle came on
33:09
Speaker 1: there this morning and when Shot came on, he said, Marcus, Marcus, Marcus.
33:14
Speaker 1: And everybody's like, well, come on, markets, say something, come on,
33:16
Speaker 1: come on, say something, you know, But just for him
33:19
Speaker 1: to say, okay, Marcus, go ahead, tell me what you
33:21
Speaker 1: wanna do. Hey, Marcus, tell me shut up if you
33:23
Speaker 1: want to. I mean, that gives cretis to Marcus, which
33:26
Speaker 1: he didn't really need it because he's been doing it.
33:28
Speaker 1: You know. I mean, you got you know, when you
33:30
Speaker 1: got the owners, and when you got leaders. You know
33:32
Speaker 1: what they say they you let me tell you what
33:34
Speaker 1: they said in life. They said, some of the greatest
33:37
Speaker 1: leaders in the world, the guys who wanted to follow
33:40
Speaker 1: us to succeed, you know what I mean. And I
33:44
Speaker 1: think that's the case here. You know, I think we
33:46
Speaker 1: got leaders that everybody want everybody behind them to succeed
33:50
Speaker 1: and to be a part of that success. Easy to
33:53
Speaker 1: say that, but it sounds like the team has been
33:55
Speaker 1: shown it absolutely, Josh. Let me let me add something
33:59
Speaker 1: to Terry. Uh when we were talking about guys maturing
34:03
Speaker 1: and us being a young football team. Uh, but when
34:06
Speaker 1: I look at it DJ DJ chart two three four.
34:12
Speaker 1: Maybe lean some of these guys are young football wives,
34:16
Speaker 1: but twenty five years black and you don't need experience
34:20
Speaker 1: it to to speak on on being black. Things that
34:23
Speaker 1: these guys are talking about, Charles Jones two Hourly is
34:27
Speaker 1: you've had enough experiences being black and what you would
34:30
Speaker 1: like to see change and what things that you can
34:32
Speaker 1: provide to help bring about that change. And so guys
34:36
Speaker 1: that have been stepping up in the meetings not have
34:38
Speaker 1: been all not just black guys, but guys in general,
34:41
Speaker 1: no matter how many years in the league, They've been
34:43
Speaker 1: on this earth long enough to know right from wrong.
34:45
Speaker 1: And so when you talk about guys stepping up, has
34:49
Speaker 1: nothing to do with football about being black or been
34:52
Speaker 1: been of an age where they know the difference between
34:54
Speaker 1: right and wrong and got dog it. We're about trying
34:56
Speaker 1: to do something about it. Guy. Like I said, it's
35:01
Speaker 1: a conversation that we can probably have every week and
35:06
Speaker 1: be fascinating and talk about a million different things. But uh,
35:10
Speaker 1: I can't thank you both enough for taking the time
35:13
Speaker 1: for sharing. Um. I guess I would ask you both
35:16
Speaker 1: before we close. Is there anything that you guys feel
35:19
Speaker 1: is important on this topic that we haven't covered today?
35:22
Speaker 1: I and if there is, feel free to share. If not,
35:26
Speaker 1: we can close it up. There. You gotta something, I
35:29
Speaker 1: got something. If you don't go ahead, I'll think about it.
35:31
Speaker 1: I okay. So so John, I feel this and I
35:39
Speaker 1: don't fancy myself a politician, but your vote is your voice.
35:44
Speaker 1: So I encourage everybody listening to this has nothing to
35:47
Speaker 1: do what's going on. But to me, if you want
35:49
Speaker 1: to see change, you have to put people in position
35:52
Speaker 1: to help you make that change. They have to have
35:54
Speaker 1: the same same thought process. You're the same kind of
35:56
Speaker 1: mindset as you believe the same thing that you believe.
35:59
Speaker 1: Otherwise your voice goals unheard. So I'm encouraging everybody everywhere
36:03
Speaker 1: we are running this huge campaign within our own organization
36:06
Speaker 1: to make certain that every player, every coach, every staff member,
36:10
Speaker 1: everybody's registered to vote. And then we're gonna take that
36:13
Speaker 1: and we're gonna branch out and go all across Jacksonville
36:16
Speaker 1: and making that mantra about about voting because it is
36:19
Speaker 1: so vital to change catch it. I got nothing to
36:24
Speaker 1: follow up on that one. I can't follow that. That's
36:25
Speaker 1: what Shoe and well. I felt as the world is
36:30
Speaker 1: has changed since we were all together on the Rubber Hallway.
36:34
Speaker 1: But uh again, both of you, I appreciate you digging
36:40
Speaker 1: deep and not sharing some memories. I think I think
36:42
Speaker 1: the listeners will enjoy it as well, and I think
36:45
Speaker 1: people are gonna learn a lot from it. Terra, Viskey,
36:48
Speaker 1: Mark Schollard. I can't think both of you enough and
36:50
Speaker 1: I look forward to seeing you said thank you, Jay.
36:52
Speaker 1: I'll appreciate it. Dave, that was very interesting to me,
36:56
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of fans are probably a
36:58
Speaker 1: little bit like us, and that I think they saw
37:01
Speaker 1: Terry talking about it on the steps of the Sheriff's
37:05
Speaker 1: office last week, and they've maybe seen some stories and
37:09
Speaker 1: seen snippets of both Marcus and Terry talk about this issue.
37:13
Speaker 1: Maybe not Marcus, but certainly Terry Um. But the reason
37:18
Speaker 1: I wanted to have them on was to spend thirty
37:20
Speaker 1: five minutes or forty minutes talking to them a little
37:23
Speaker 1: bit more in depth about what inspired them to say
37:28
Speaker 1: the things they had said and to do the things
37:31
Speaker 1: they had done last week. As I said at the top,
37:34
Speaker 1: I've known Marcus since two thousand one. The first day
37:38
Speaker 1: I was at the Cold he signed his second contract,
37:43
Speaker 1: and I did the story on him signing a second contract.
37:45
Speaker 1: He was always a guy in the locker room who
37:48
Speaker 1: I would go talk to. I probably talked him a
37:50
Speaker 1: hundred times over the years, but as we mentioned, never
37:55
Speaker 1: talked about this because you just usually don't go there
38:01
Speaker 1: because as soon as the topic comes up, there's a
38:03
Speaker 1: little bit of a I call it the breath hole
38:06
Speaker 1: where you kind of stuck your breath in and go,
38:08
Speaker 1: all right, where's this going. Yeah, I've been friends with
38:11
Speaker 1: Marcus for a long time, but you don't want to
38:14
Speaker 1: go there because you just don't know what's gonna get set.
38:16
Speaker 1: So that feels like where we're going with this, or
38:21
Speaker 1: where the the conversation needs to go is maybe have
38:26
Speaker 1: a little bit less of that a quick suck your
38:30
Speaker 1: breath in tension when you're talking about these things. And
38:34
Speaker 1: I hope that when people listen to what was said
38:38
Speaker 1: for the last five minutes, maybe they get a little
38:41
Speaker 1: bit of that too. Okay, there there are things here
38:44
Speaker 1: that we can talk about and make progress with. And uh,
38:47
Speaker 1: you know, I wonder what your big takeaway was from
38:50
Speaker 1: what you heard from Terry and Marcus. Yeah, I kind
38:54
Speaker 1: of agree with you as far as you know, the
38:57
Speaker 1: last few weeks and all this craziness and all the
39:00
Speaker 1: tragedy that's happened, maybe this is a positive by product.
39:03
Speaker 1: Now it's making people feel like, not necessarily more comfortable
39:08
Speaker 1: to talk about, but giving a place to talk about
39:10
Speaker 1: it and and trying to get some sort of common
39:14
Speaker 1: ground and see where other people are coming. And you know,
39:16
Speaker 1: that's the one thing with like you were saying with Marcus,
39:18
Speaker 1: Marcus kind of like I always kind of feel like
39:21
Speaker 1: he's like the friend of everybody in the building and
39:23
Speaker 1: he's kind of see him on the business side all
39:24
Speaker 1: the time talk to people, and for have someone who
39:28
Speaker 1: who's like that to be talking about issues like this,
39:32
Speaker 1: it's almost makes it a little easier because he just
39:36
Speaker 1: has that personality. UM. And my biggest takeaway is, UH
39:41
Speaker 1: two is kind of everything Terry said about about Coach
39:46
Speaker 1: Marone and and Marcus Echo that is is giving them
39:50
Speaker 1: a platform and a sounding board. We're We're Doug Maron
39:55
Speaker 1: just listened to them, and sometimes that's all you need
39:58
Speaker 1: to do in these situations is listen, listen and be
40:01
Speaker 1: willing to help them elevate their message and be a
40:05
Speaker 1: part of it. And I think you know, when the
40:09
Speaker 1: Jaguars did their march a few fridays ago, I was
40:14
Speaker 1: there and uh, you know, I felt really proud of
40:16
Speaker 1: the organization, proud to be a part of it. And
40:19
Speaker 1: I'm glad to John that you suggested to to have
40:22
Speaker 1: both these guys on the podcast to kind of continue
40:25
Speaker 1: this momentum. And like Chris Connelly said, he said, don't
40:29
Speaker 1: let this just be a moment, Let it be a movement.
40:32
Speaker 1: And I think the Jaguars are doing everything that can
40:35
Speaker 1: for it to be a movement um, and including with
40:37
Speaker 1: Coach for bisky talking and uh and Marcus. So it's
40:41
Speaker 1: been a pretty uh emotional week and I think we're
40:46
Speaker 1: we're starting to see things by products of all that
40:50
Speaker 1: emotion come out to be in a to be more positive.
40:55
Speaker 1: I hope that people listening to this can maybe get
41:00
Speaker 1: a better understanding of the depth of conversation and how
41:06
Speaker 1: the conversations played out. And I guess what I mean
41:09
Speaker 1: by that is, I think most people when they consumed
41:15
Speaker 1: the news on this about what the Jaguars have done,
41:18
Speaker 1: the the two marches and some of the things being said,
41:21
Speaker 1: they're reading a story, or they're seeing a two or
41:24
Speaker 1: three minute sound bite from Doug Marone talking in front
41:28
Speaker 1: of the Jaguar statue after the first march, or they're
41:31
Speaker 1: seeing a Chris Conley's speech, which are all very impactful.
41:37
Speaker 1: But I think in this five minutes that we spent
41:39
Speaker 1: with Terry and Marcus, maybe people will get an idea
41:44
Speaker 1: of the depth of conversation that took place during that time,
41:49
Speaker 1: of how Doug reacted when these things first came up.
41:53
Speaker 1: And that's why I asked Marcus about twenty five minutes in,
41:58
Speaker 1: tell me about how this first started. Did you think
42:03
Speaker 1: it was going to play out this way where there
42:05
Speaker 1: are some nerves when these things first started getting set
42:07
Speaker 1: on zoom zoom calls. That's when Marcus said, Doug really
42:12
Speaker 1: took the initiatives, stepping back and saying, look, it's okay
42:15
Speaker 1: to talk about these things. We can step away from
42:19
Speaker 1: football for a little bit. I want to hear it.
42:22
Speaker 1: I don't think you can fake that vibe that it
42:27
Speaker 1: sounds like Doug gave out um And I think I
42:31
Speaker 1: hope that's what people take away from this, as much
42:33
Speaker 1: as that as anything, is how the Jaguars as a
42:36
Speaker 1: group got to where they wanted to do what they did.
42:41
Speaker 1: I'm calling the First Friday a couple of Fridays ago
42:44
Speaker 1: with the First March. How those things came about. And
42:47
Speaker 1: I guess the sincerity and the genuineness of everybody involved.
42:53
Speaker 1: That's what I took away from what Terry and Marcus
42:55
Speaker 1: were saying is you know, the players involved with this
42:58
Speaker 1: immediately felt from the organization. So did Terry Marcus. Look,
43:03
Speaker 1: we really want to hear about this. We're not just
43:05
Speaker 1: giving this lip service. We're not just doing this because
43:08
Speaker 1: it's the thing to do. UM. So I think that
43:11
Speaker 1: was what if I learned anything, I think I got
43:14
Speaker 1: a bigger appreciation for that. So maybe fans did too. Yeah,
43:19
Speaker 1: it's cool that these organizationally, it's come from the top
43:24
Speaker 1: downs far as what the shot kN OpEd that came
43:28
Speaker 1: out before that. It gave everybody the forum where it
43:32
Speaker 1: was okay to talk about it. And I think, you know,
43:35
Speaker 1: a lot of good has come out of just people
43:38
Speaker 1: opening up and listening and talking to each other. I
43:40
Speaker 1: think too, you know, a by product of this, it
43:42
Speaker 1: will probably unite this football team and a good small
43:46
Speaker 1: start with a very big, big issue. And I'm proud
43:50
Speaker 1: to work for the Jaguars and proud to have have
43:53
Speaker 1: some small part of it. I can't say very much
43:58
Speaker 1: about it. It's better than that, so we'll wrap it up.
44:01
Speaker 1: I want to thank Joe Fortunado for making it sound good,
44:06
Speaker 1: David Candice for making me look good or sound good.
44:09
Speaker 1: Probably can't make me look good. Um, and that's it
44:12
Speaker 1: for this week's Those Own podcast. I don't think this
44:14
Speaker 1: one stuck at all. I think this one's good. Thank you,