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Mark C. Daniel joins the show! · Day Drinking With Dog

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  Speaker 1: it is another heat box out there today. It is
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  Speaker 1: August first. I always say July fourth is Summer's over,
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  Speaker 1: and shit, it's almost over. I got a couple of
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  Speaker 1: vacations coming up, and then it's back to the real
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  Speaker 1: world of the fall, which is actually my favorite month.
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  Speaker 1: Today I have a very special guest on whose birthday
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  Speaker 1: I just found out is at midnight tonight. We won't
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  Speaker 1: say how old you're gonna be. That's yeah, it doesn't matter,
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, Mark Daniel, what's going on, my friend?
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  Speaker 2: Hello? Hello everyone, Thanks.
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  Speaker 1: For coming man, thanks for reaching out. I actually said,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you listened to last week's episode,
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  Speaker 1: but at the end I always say who I got
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  Speaker 1: coming next week and I and this is God's honest truth.
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  Speaker 1: You are literally the most polite, pleasant person I've ever
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  Speaker 1: met in my life. You made that mark on me
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  Speaker 1: the day I met you at Daniel Street, and it's
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  Speaker 1: it's not a lie, like you were just so kind
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  Speaker 1: and I just it's it's just always stuck with me
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  Speaker 1: over the years. This is not the first time I've
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  Speaker 1: said this about you either.
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  Speaker 2: You so very much.
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  Speaker 1: You're welcome.
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  Speaker 2: It's easy to love you, Jerry.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, and it's not a hard thing to do.
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  Speaker 1: And unfortunately a lot of people in this world don't
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  Speaker 1: have that decency. I think I have it, not to
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  Speaker 1: your degree, but you really are a gentleman and obviously
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  Speaker 1: a scholar. So thanks again for coming, and we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna talk music today. We're gonna talk some current events,
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna talk some of our beliefs in political views.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know what we're going to get into,
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  Speaker 1: but we're both not drinking. We both have responsibilities today unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: So okay, anyway, so welcome, and let's get right into
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  Speaker 1: the music side of it. I met you back in
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  Speaker 1: you know, this seems to come up a lot of
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  Speaker 1: here is the Daniel Street days, and you were in
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  Speaker 1: a band called The Limit. Yes, right, that's when I
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  Speaker 1: first met you. And I remember that band. They were
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  Speaker 1: you guys were fucking awesome, loud were everything was loud
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  Speaker 1: in Daniel Street though. Yeah, I mean that was just
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  Speaker 1: a loud Place, special place. Yeah, I miss it to
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  Speaker 1: this day. I think that was one of the probably
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  Speaker 1: one of the top small music venues in the state.
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  Speaker 1: Is not the like the region. I mean, there's some
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  Speaker 1: cool spots in New York, but Daniel Street was pretty cool.
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  Speaker 2: There's no doubt looking back thinking about the bands that
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  Speaker 2: you guys brought in with a guitar Wolf from Japan,
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  Speaker 2: a band came from Japan and played yeah, and then
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  Speaker 2: you had Local Age, which are just nineties icons. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's amazing what you guys.
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  Speaker 1: Had there, Dinosaur Junior, Phudos. You know, it's just it
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  Speaker 1: was which we had Edgar Winter, not Johnny It's crazy
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  Speaker 1: Edgar Winter. We had Tim Uh, Tim Uh, the guy from.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, that's right, Yeah, Tim Rend Tim Reynolds.
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  Speaker 1: Yea. I think just the laundry List that got people
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  Speaker 1: that came through that place was and then we did
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  Speaker 1: the eighties thing, so we.
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  Speaker 2: Had like Docin was there that show too, Yeah, going there,
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  Speaker 2: yeah with those dudes. Yeah, it's it's crazy to look
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  Speaker 2: back and say that that was actually happening in Milford,
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  Speaker 2: but Milford really is incredibly cool. Yeah, so uh, I
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  Speaker 2: guess it makes a little bit of sense we miss it,
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  Speaker 2: but it was wonderful.
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  Speaker 1: It was wonderful and the sound quality there was was
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  Speaker 1: top notch. And John John he put it all together.
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  Speaker 1: Incredible talent. Yeah, and uh, I don't know much about
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  Speaker 1: music as far as listening to it. Uh, but every
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  Speaker 1: musician that kind of walked off that stage was like, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's fucking a really good system.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, John knows this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Many Just so let's start. You know, you're growing up
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  Speaker 1: what you're obviously guitarist vocalist. Uh, what are some of
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  Speaker 1: your inspirations? What? What? What got you into music? And
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  Speaker 1: you've been doing it a long time?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I've been playing music ever since I could remember, really,
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  Speaker 2: and it started to click when I was about sixteen,
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  Speaker 2: which is a little bit later. But then at around sixteen,
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  Speaker 2: I was hell bent on going to Berkeley. So I
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  Speaker 2: realized that I had two years.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I realized I had two years basically to
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  Speaker 2: just kick it up and get to where I need
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  Speaker 2: to be to get in there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I knew if I was to go to Berkeley, the
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  Speaker 2: chances of being able to make a life in music
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  Speaker 2: would would increase, would be possible. So really, I think
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  Speaker 2: that's where my caffeine addiction started. Because I'm about five
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  Speaker 2: six cups a day. I just like, really, yeah, totally
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  Speaker 2: love it. But yeah, so really I'll go to high school.
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  Speaker 2: I would work out a little Caesars, remember a little Seasons? Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so cool. I was in the back, yeah yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: then come home and just and do homework in practice,
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  Speaker 2: and every chance I could, I would just practice practice
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  Speaker 2: and also listening, so I'd listen to vast amounts of
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  Speaker 2: it and see how it affected me as well. Because
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  Speaker 2: in order to be able to play music or play
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  Speaker 2: it to some reasonable degree, you have to be able
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  Speaker 2: to listen to it in a certain way. I usually
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  Speaker 2: equate that to somebody wanted to be a short story
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  Speaker 2: writer or a novelist. Is their ability to be able
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  Speaker 2: to read the arc of a storyline?
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: The same thing applies to musicians, where they have to
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  Speaker 2: be able to hear songs in a certain way. So
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  Speaker 2: lots of listening and lots of playing, and then thankfully, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the Berkeley, you know, ambition happened.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. My brother tried to get in there,
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  Speaker 1: but he was a drummer, but he couldn't read music.
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  Speaker 1: He just drummed off of and that was I believe
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  Speaker 1: I could be messing this story. Yep, but he'll text me,
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  Speaker 1: oh no, you fuck that one up. But I think
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  Speaker 1: like he didn't get in because he couldn't read music back then,
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  Speaker 1: and that was a requirement to.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, BB King couldn't read music. And there's
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  Speaker 2: a drum we're out there named Dennis Chambers who's all
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  Speaker 2: self taught. Yeah, he plays with a band called the
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  Speaker 2: Brecker Brothers, along with a number of other kind of
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  Speaker 2: proggy seventies more like eighties now too, nineties fusion stuff
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  Speaker 2: that's complex to play in other words, but he's all
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  Speaker 2: self taught and what he does is absolutely off the charts.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a positive and a negative to being able
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  Speaker 2: to read music. Do people have to No, not at all.
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  Speaker 2: It's there's many ways to get to the top of
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  Speaker 2: the mountain if we want to use that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So your what years were you there? I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to date you here all you were there in
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  Speaker 1: the from mid nineties.
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  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, totally, and I don't feel aging.
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  Speaker 1: So you're Boston in the mid nineties.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so ninety seven, two thousand and one.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so late late nineties. What were some of
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  Speaker 1: the bands like that. I'm trying to think, like we're
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  Speaker 1: almost through the grunge phase that late and we're getting
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  Speaker 1: more into the I call it rap rock, the lymp
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  Speaker 1: Discuits and corn of the World and in my in
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  Speaker 1: my world, uh, what was what was some of the
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  Speaker 1: music that inspired you or you listened to back then
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  Speaker 1: when you were just a young kid in college.
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  Speaker 2: And so leading up to Berkeley, I I was listening
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  Speaker 2: to a lot of classic rock, blues and the nineties.
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  Speaker 2: Stuff started to click a little bit right, not just
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  Speaker 2: entirely yet, I was I was more gravitating towards like Santana, Zeppelin, yes,
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  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. But but STP some type of
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  Speaker 2: Pilots is just they've always connected with me. I've always
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  Speaker 2: loved them. So they started to kind of kick in
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. And my friend Corey uh was always
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  Speaker 2: on the cutting edge of what was coming out, So
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  Speaker 2: every time we would hang out, he'd bet he'd have
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  Speaker 2: U CDs that came out that week. So he always
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  Speaker 2: kind of kept me in and check with that. So
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  Speaker 2: those uh, some of.
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  Speaker 1: Them were yeah, yeah, minimal thing. Yeah, it was just
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  Speaker 1: like it had like the you know, they were basically
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  Speaker 1: sent to radio stations, and those are the songs they
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  Speaker 1: could play. I knew with DJ at the Trumble Marriott
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  Speaker 1: and I was one of the bar managers and he
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  Speaker 1: used to give me the hard rock one cool and
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  Speaker 1: I'll never forget when I her first heard Stained Just
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  Speaker 1: Go was their first release ever in nineteen got almost
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  Speaker 1: ninety four. I would think, no, it would be later
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  Speaker 1: than that, ninety six, maybe because I didn't start there
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  Speaker 1: till ninety five. So but yeah, I remember those little
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  Speaker 1: promos and like, yeah, I used to steal in from them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like a physical CD.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a CDC all the new bands on
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  Speaker 1: the list and their new songs, and I just fucking
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  Speaker 1: pop them in my car.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, that's good stuff, man. So that stuff stuck
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  Speaker 2: around when I was at Berkeley, but I wasn't listening
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  Speaker 2: to it as much. I did expand on Pearl Jam
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  Speaker 2: a lot at Berkeley and song Garden when I was
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  Speaker 2: up there. Ye, But while I was up there, I
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  Speaker 2: was just completely immersed in rock, for sure, but fusion, jazz, blues.
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  Speaker 2: It was a constantly a constant I could probably swear right, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: fuck yeah it was. It was a constant what the
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  Speaker 2: fuck experience? Every which way you turn. So I heard
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  Speaker 2: everything and I got exposed to everything, but not only
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  Speaker 2: just in bits and pieces. I was flooded with everything.
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  Speaker 2: So when I heard somebody play samba, it wasn't like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: it's a little bit of samba. It was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm gonna listening to this for the next two
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  Speaker 2: hours and when to actually break everything down, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to probably see some samba bands today, tomorrow, next week.
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  Speaker 2: And so it was on all the time, which is
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  Speaker 2: great because I like to think I'm still on all
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  Speaker 2: the time with that.
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  Speaker 1: Now you're you're like, who do you equate your guitar
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  Speaker 1: style to? I mean, if it's not just one person,
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  Speaker 1: like no, I.
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  Speaker 2: Take from It depends on what I'm doing, because some
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  Speaker 2: songs that I want to have a little bit more
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  Speaker 2: of a blues edge to it, while some songs might
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  Speaker 2: have a little bit more of a technique drive to it.
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  Speaker 2: So the range really varies, so it could be a
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  Speaker 2: anything from like a hard rock to a blues to
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  Speaker 2: maybe some jazz in there too, So I kind of
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  Speaker 2: throw it all in there. But it's got to serve
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  Speaker 2: the song though.
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  Speaker 1: Right, The song is the most important thing, Right, so
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  Speaker 1: you do all the writing I do. Yeah. So your
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  Speaker 1: band now is called well, it's just solo solo Mark
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  Speaker 1: issue yep, okay.
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  Speaker 2: And I have a number of musicians that I work
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  Speaker 2: with that I just I'm so deeply thankful for. I
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  Speaker 2: just saw one of my roommates from Berkeley this past Sunday,
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  Speaker 2: Mark Kycox. He's a remarkable bassist. He just opened up
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  Speaker 2: for the Rolling Stones.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: So we had a good hang in Boston, had a
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  Speaker 2: couple of beers. I've been working with him and recording
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  Speaker 2: with him for about seven eight years now. Mickey Curry
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  Speaker 2: is also the drummer for Brian Adams Hall Notes the Cult.
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  Speaker 2: He's played with George Harrison, Brian may So, it's members
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  Speaker 2: of Queen. So he's been So I think with Mickey's playing,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, just wait anywhere for ten minutes and you're
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  Speaker 2: going to hear him playing out with somebody. That's how
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  Speaker 2: many people he's played with and how many recordings he's on.
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  Speaker 2: And he's really changed how I write and what I
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  Speaker 2: do because he's allowed me a chance to go ahead
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  Speaker 2: and develop as a songwriter as opposed to just writing
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  Speaker 2: guitar driven songs, which that so happens. It's really expanded
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  Speaker 2: a lot larger, and I have the privilege of playing
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  Speaker 2: I say privileged because I've always wanted to play with
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  Speaker 2: with this one drummer, Arnie Kuzzo is the drummer.
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  Speaker 1: You know Arnie.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's amazing. He's going to be the drummer.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, Arnie did actually the big banner out in the
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  Speaker 1: other room.
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  Speaker 2: Cool. Yeah, a stellar guy, an incredible drummer. And so
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  Speaker 2: he's going to be the drummer for the show coming
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  Speaker 2: up August seventeenth. And this is a fantastic thing to
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  Speaker 2: be able to say that I have Todd Grosberg on bass,
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  Speaker 2: supposed that you guys opening. So not only does that
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  Speaker 2: warm my heart and soul, I think that's somewhere along
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  Speaker 2: the way that is just one of those beautiful things
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  Speaker 2: that the universe has to give you and I accept entirely,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm so glad that Todd did say yes, and
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  Speaker 2: Arnie says yes, and that Mickey say yes and Mark
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  Speaker 2: says yes, and so awesome. Lots of thanks.
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  Speaker 1: So that's August seventeenth at the uh.
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  Speaker 2: Space Spaceball YEP spaceball Room and.
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  Speaker 1: Damed the Connecticut and the band you are opening for
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  Speaker 1: is none under than Sponge that if you don't know Sponge,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna play a little cup of sponge because
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  Speaker 1: I think this song, everyone's gonna go, oh, that's Sponge.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is almost like.
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  Speaker 1: This is almost like like a like a college anthem
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  Speaker 1: for me because it's nineteen ninety four, thirty fucking years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Thirty years ago. Yeah, that's a great song came out
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  Speaker 1: and that's one of those songs too. I feel that
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  Speaker 1: it carries through generationally, you know a lot of a lot.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I grew up on rock. You know, eighties
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  Speaker 1: was the hair and bands, nineties was grunge. Two thousands,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, was the Olympiscuit stuff. And now I
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  Speaker 1: listen to you know, octane and all the new bands
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  Speaker 1: out now that I think are just as phenomenal. But
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  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, rock doesn't get the accolades that deserves anymore,
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  Speaker 1: the new bands or yeah, buy new bands. Yeah, Like
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  Speaker 1: I just don't. I just don't think you know, who
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  Speaker 1: plays rock, so like it's classic rock is PLR one
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  Speaker 1: O six nine and one O four to one. Back
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  Speaker 1: in the day used to play what they call modern rock,
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  Speaker 1: but like actually hard rock bands today you got.
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  Speaker 2: To search them out almost So then is the issue
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  Speaker 2: not necessarily with the lack in the market or presence
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  Speaker 2: of a market? Uh, is the issue potentially maybe the
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  Speaker 2: artistry that maybe perhaps people aren't studying the craft as
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  Speaker 2: much as they used to and we might have.
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of it is how how it's consumed. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think, you know, I think everything is now.
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  Speaker 1: It's still like hip hop, R and B and country
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  Speaker 1: rock or country I think dominates everything, and pop music obviously,
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  Speaker 1: but that can kind of I just think rock music out.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm always like, I love classic rock, but
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  Speaker 1: like I would still rather listen to modern rock, like
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  Speaker 1: now rock than classic I think. I just like, I
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  Speaker 1: just like, yeah just now, yeah, it's now, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm fifty, so you know, I think I always like,
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  Speaker 1: I've always listened to music my whole life. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: when we grew up, we got the you know, we've
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  Speaker 1: got the tapes first, but when the CDs came out,
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  Speaker 1: like we would you know, they would come out Tuesdays
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  Speaker 1: at fucking Strawberries and we'd be down there and waiting
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  Speaker 1: for you know, I don't know who you would go
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  Speaker 1: to go to see but or go to get but
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  Speaker 1: you know, I would get the new Stained album or
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  Speaker 1: the new whatever album, and you know it came with
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  Speaker 1: the graphic art cover and then the lyrics were in there,
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  Speaker 1: and you just you know, you put on your headphones,
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  Speaker 1: you listen to it like I would spend nights. I
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  Speaker 1: can't really believe I never really got into playing any music,
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  Speaker 1: Like I just my fingers were not good enough for
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  Speaker 1: a guitar, so yeah yeah, and I don't have the
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  Speaker 1: voice to sing, so that was pretty much shut out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, right, yeah, So I mean I just, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just today's rock I find is just it sits on satellite,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, I mean these guys play, they tour,
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  Speaker 1: they you know, they make money. But I just there's
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  Speaker 1: no van Halen nowadays, there's no.
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  Speaker 2: Was there ever one before van Halen? And was there
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  Speaker 2: everyone after? Because after Hendrix you only had any that
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  Speaker 2: ripple effect that happened.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that's a good point.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, I have to have to think about it,
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  Speaker 1: like van Halen maybe a far you know, like they'll
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  Speaker 1: to try to fucking conquer, but you know, Stone Temple
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  Speaker 1: and those guys granted that was you know, nineties, nobody's
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  Speaker 1: every now.
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  Speaker 2: Because because how what they brought to the table was
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  Speaker 2: so unique and different. Chains like the band, and so
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  Speaker 2: if I were to say, maybe something that Jerry Cantrell
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  Speaker 2: did with Alison Chains that it's not necessarily derivative but
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  Speaker 2: inspired by, is that you got got you have? He's
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  Speaker 2: my proper English here. Some hints of Black Sabbath in there,
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  Speaker 2: some hints and someone like the Gnarly Bens. But those
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  Speaker 2: harmonies and how the songs are constructed and how they played.
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  Speaker 2: That's so perhaps maybe those avenues have been explored, and
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  Speaker 2: maybe there are some avenues that haven't been that could
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  Speaker 2: galvanized rock again to maybe do something.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, And do you think it's a cyclical
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  Speaker 1: thing that you think it'll you know, it comes in
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  Speaker 1: waves because I don't see like hip hop, I don't
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  Speaker 1: see that going anywhere ever. Most it's it's it's it's
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: you know, it's a cultural thing as well.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Well. It morphs though, right, That's the thing is that
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: hip from the nineties to the two thousand and twenties,
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: it's so different.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: I love how these guys are fucking morphine with each
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: other though. I think it's great the collaborations are awesome.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: It has to survive, so it takes on these new characteristics.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: What rock did is that it hits the wall after
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: a certain point. So we take bands as proper nouns
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: because that's what we know. So let's just say, let's
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: just talk about a big gorilla here. Let's talk about
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: led zeppein for a minute.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: It's easy to listen to led Zeppelin, say that's led
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Zeppelin and take that as a proper noun, but we
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: might be missing everything that happened before led Zeppelin and
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: what inspired led Zeppelin be what they are. But if
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: all we listen to is just led Zeppelin, I'm talking
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: specifically towards artists that are trying to figure out who
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: they are, perhaps you know, or maybe get some idea,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: because it's maybe not a good idea to over identify yourself.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Led Zeppelin was everything blue eyed soul, blues, a touch
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: of folk, right Irish folks specifically. Then they brought in
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: some Delta blues in there as well. All of that
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: became led Zeppelin. But when we put it in a
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: package and after a few years look at it, it's
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: it's proper noun. So now it's easy to say, hey,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: you know what, I want to play rock and I
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: like led zeppelins, I'm gonna sound like fuckings led Zeppelin.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Well no, that's not it. Led zeppel didn't wake up
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: every morning and say, let's sound like led Zeppelin. But
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: they may have said, you know what, let's sound like
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: led Belly today. Let's try out that lead Belly group
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: and see what we have. Well guess well, for guys
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: from England, are not going to sound like lead Belly,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: are they? They're gonna do something else with it. There
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: you go. The prism was led Zeppa, the influence was
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: whatever inspired them. That might be what's missing in some
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: music today. But then again, I don't know.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Well, like we just mentioned Stone Temple, I think their
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: first album to their second was two completely different bands
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: to completely like I almost I didn't like the second
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: album at first. It took me a while to grow,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: like it grew on me.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: It's such a dry mix, right, it was.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: It was insane. I'm like, whoa, like, these guys are
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: just there's one super talented. But I just I just
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: remember that those two albums stuck out to me. I'm like, oh,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: this is really different than you know. And then as
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: a kid, you just kind of you're, you know, you're
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: not really developed yet in your mind of what you want,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: and you like familiarity, you know, and that was not
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: familiar to the first album, right, So I was kind
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: of stunned by it. But then as I realized how
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: good it was, I'm like, wow, these guys are really
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: and then then I was so anxious to see their
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: next work, you know, like are they going to go
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: back revert to album one style or are they going to
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: do a completely third different style.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: I had a bit of a reckoning artistically in twenty
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: and twenty one with STP. So I find myself watching
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: battle bots and I get a message on Instagram from
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: what looks like a pr asient manager peer Asian Emily's
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: somewhere in between there, and she goes, hey, Mark, could
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: I have your phone number? And I said, okay, I
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: see what she does. She STP's the one band that
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: she works with, so I said, of course. She said, well,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: somebody wants to call you, and I'm like, yeah, all right, dude.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: So I told my wife Claire. I said, Claire, all right,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: so somebody wants to call me from Stone Top of
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Pilot's haha, said I might sleep with my phone on tonight.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Literally at ten pm, Den Delio calls me, right and
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: he says, if you could believe this, thank you for
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: talking about his guitar work. This what was a very
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: small post that I posted, but apparently, I mean it
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: was heartfelt because I really do love what they do,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: and he's just, you know, he's very unique. And we
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: ended up chatting on the phone for maybe a cool
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: half hour about stuff. I didn't ask him necessarily at
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: that point anyways, I didn't ask him about what he
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: was doing, but we talked about the guys that we loved,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: you know, Claptain, Jimmy Page, you know. And then we
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: talked about a ridiculous guitar player out in Nashville called
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Tom Bokovac, which he introduced me to and I was like, wow,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: that's you know, that's a great find. So after that conversation,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I found myself going, Fuck, Dean's gonna be listening to
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: my stuff now? Is it gonna sound like me? Or
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: me sounding like Dean?
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Right? All right?
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: That changed how I saw music right there, because nowhere
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: before twenty twenty one did I ever think that I'd
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: be actually talking to the guy right and actually him
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: listening to my stuff and then having some sort of
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: back and forth about it. And I didn't know what
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: the hell I was going to do next, but I
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: knew I wasn't going to stay so close to my
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: influences anymore, because all of that was a bit of
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: an illusion and was leading me down the wrong path.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: So anything that you're you're listening to now, anything that's
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: been coming out since twenty twenty one, is a bit
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: of a different ball game. But that Dean has I
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: got to thank him entirely for that, and thankfully we
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: still chattering now and again.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: And he Sanders did it unintentionally or like like you
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: put that idea in your head, like oh shit, I
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: don't want him to think I'm just like.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, dude, I'm someone to send you some
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: of my stuff, man, and you know, just a and
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh fuck, I'm like, I hope he doesn't
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: think that riff is to Dan Delio, you know. But
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: I did tell him you are one of my guys.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: I said, you cheat, you one of my guys, you know.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: So it's like, well we all got guys. And then
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: we talked about our guys, which is really cool. But
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: that was a turning moment not just in what I
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: was moving doing with music, but literally how I was
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: thinking about it and how we think about these things
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: and whether it's with a confirmation bias or whether it's
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: a completely open minded this that affects what that potential
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: future might be, and because we kind of infuse it
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: with that intention of either being derivative or with something
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: that we don't know. And when led Zeppelin was blazing
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: the trail, they weren't doing confirmation bias. They didn't know
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: what the hell it was going to sound like. And
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: people forget that Van Halen didn't know that either, you know.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: And if we were to compare a Vanlin as Easy
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Top to Van Halen, like you know, first three albums,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: when you listen to Alex van Halen's grooves, it's basically
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: his Zzy Top groove with James you know, Jimmy Beard
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: there just but it's just amped up like a motherfucker,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: you know. So they're coming from a similar place too,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: right with that shuffle, But how it was interpreted it
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: was so completely different. So nowhere along the way did
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Alex van Halen wake up and say, hey, I'm going
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: to be proper now, And Alex van Halen probably said,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the fuck this is going to
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: sound like, let's give it a try. Perhaps maybe not
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: only in rock, but I think jazz could probably use
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: a little kick in the ass too, maybe even blues
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: at this point. Even having the open mindedness of not
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: knowing is where the power comes in, and vulnerability is
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: an important part of it too.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Right when it comes to rock or all the genres,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: like you know, a lot of the pop music, I
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: don't really get into it, but I feel they just
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: find somebody and they annoint them and they write them
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: their music. And I could be completely wrong, but that's
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: you know, like with a kit with like a Katy
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Perry or you know, a Lady Gaga. I'm not I'm
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: not crying their talent, like they're talented, you know, but
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I read I just I just deep dive into a
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: lot of shit and I just read a lot of
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: shit and it's just like I just feel like these
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: people were produced from the world of music instead of
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: the opposite where they cut their you know, they cut
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: their own way to the top, and with their talent,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean that's just the way I
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: look at that kind of music, where like if you
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: look at rock or chat, I mean, you have to
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: be extremely talented. A lot of things have to go
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: your way. Like I think you're talented enough to thank
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: you to be you know, like if you've got to
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: break here, break there, you know. I agree. You know
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Keith Carroll, you know, group with those.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Guys, and they had a really special thing going there too.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: They live in trust. Yeah, and I thought, you know,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: and that kind of showed me. I don't know the
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: business anyway the way you do, but it kind of
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: showed me, like how really hard it is. Maybe it's not,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: maybe it isn't, but I mean, I those guys had
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: different issues. Is probably the reason why they didn't make it.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: But but they were you know, they were played on ESPN,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: they were you know, they had some that.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Was the market ready of that stuff.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was when.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: I first heard, I was like, well, what, there's nothing else.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's right there, Yeah, it's all complete, you know,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: now go ahead and right through the market. So I'm
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: surprised that it didn't get put through the market.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: You listen to any pop music. Do you listen to
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: everything I'm assuming, Yeah, name it.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I have no prejudic yet prejudice against anything, particularly if
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: somebody brings me something, which I'm insanely thankful for people
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: bringing me stuff. So this happens on like seven days
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: a week. People bring me music and I just I
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: can't get enough of it. I listen to it with
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: what I think my point of view might be, and there,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: if I do that, that kind of kills everything entirely.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: It's better not to have a point of view or
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: an opinion, just accept it and then be there with
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: it in that present moment and see where it goes.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Having the person in the room put a little bit
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: of their emotional energy into the room as well, Yeah,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: makes it human in that. Okay, this affected this person
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: this way, so now it's an opportunity to learn on
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: how to connect with people on a deeper level. So no,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: I don't have any prejudice against any of that, But
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I see your point of view on well, you you're
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: listening to so and so seventeen year old pretty girl
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: who's you know that looks great didn't write a look
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: in her life. But a producer is doing this and
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: puts her to a market. Right, So then let me
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: pose this question too. Let me know what what your
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: response is. Is it okay for music to be completely
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: shallow with no meaning whatsoever besides entertainment like a perhaps
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: popcorn and the movie theater?
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Is that is that okay?
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Is it okay to me like a morally in the
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: music business. No?
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Okay? So then let me respond, Okay, you just robbed
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: a thirteen or fourteen year old girl of her influences
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: that are going to be the song of her summer.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: How much does AI scare you in that in that field,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: because I think AI is going to have a play
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: a big part of music where there is no there's
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: no songwriting, there's no emotion behind the songwriting. It may
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: it may do you think that it may hit a
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: chord with a young person and that's how their life
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: might be going, whether it's a relationship song or or
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: you know, they could But I'd rather listen to you
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: write a song that's you, you know, and you're you know,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: we're gonna play your song later, you know. Actually I
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: was reading the lyrics and you know, I have some
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: questions of how you wrote that song, you know, But
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think. I think when it
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: comes to thirteen year old girls and robbing them of that,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: I think they they'll just go on to the next
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: thing because their attention spans are so fucking short. I mean,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I see Braden, he's fourteen, Thank god, he's at football
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: practice today, his first one ever. He was nervous. Yeah,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: oh yeah. And you know these kids just scroll and
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: scroll and scroll and scroll and scroll and scroll, and
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: that's it. It's like NonStop. Like they don't he wouldn't
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: listen to a song fucking from front to end, no way, Okay,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: he doesn't really listen to music and only the what
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: pops up on his TikTok Okay. So as far as
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: robbing our thirteen year old girl, I just think they'll
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: go on to the next song. Okay. So then could
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: a and how do you quantify that? How do you
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: even know if you did? Like, there's no like reason
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: church behind it. I get what you're saying.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: But so then let's just say we eliminate everybody.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I don't mean it like that. Okay,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want anything eliminated, Okay, I just
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I just I just would choose not to listen to
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: something that's generated, a factory generated.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah for me, gotcha, gotcha cool, because.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I have I've grown up on the thing when you
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: listen to what you want. I think music is one
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: of those things where you cannot laugh at me for
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: what I listen to, and I cannot laugh at you
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: for what you listen to. It's all it's all personal.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: You nailed it without yeah, yeah, Well, whether we know
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: it or not, we always look for something that's relatable
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: right totally. Being a songwriter and a musician, I can't
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: I can't say to myself, this is what I'm doing,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: and this is what I am, because at that moment,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: I overidentify what it is that I'm doing, and then
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: I try to make myself a proper noun without knowing
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: the craft, the skill, the history, and then potentially where
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: we are and where we're going with it in the future. So,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: and that's a difficult thing to do because the first
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: thing when somebody asks you is what's your favorite like
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: music or your favorite band, your favorite song. That's not
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: just a question about would you like to listen to?
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: The reply, somewhere in our back of our mind is
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: usually my answer is going to lead this person to
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: identify me as something cool. Right, That's how personal this
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: shit can get. I don't know how to change that.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Don't have an interest in changing that because it's been
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: that way forever. But I know that doing what I do,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: I can't do that. Yeah, I can't pigeonhole it, right, Yeah.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: But like I relate a lot with Like some of
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: my favorite bands are Stained and you know Shine Down,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I love I love it. They changed a lot too,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: they have and well obviously you know Aaron Lewis my
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: country for a while, and how did that go for him?
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: He loves doing it more than the rock shows. I
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: know that personally.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: From Godsmack is doing a country song now too, is he? Yeah,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: better noise artist Corey Marks, he's doing something.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: They're actually coming to Mohegan. I think I'm gonna go
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: to that one. Cool. Yeah, yeah, I mean I I
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: I just don't listen to country, so, you know, I
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: was I'll never forget this interview I read in one
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: of those music magazines and they were interviewing Aaron Lewis
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: about moving the country, and then the last line from
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: the reporter was, you know, what do you have to
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: say to your fans of rock, you know, fans have stained.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: And he was just like, fuck it, I don't know this,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: this is me, you know. And then yeah, he.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Loves he's probably doesn't give much of a shit about No, I.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Don't think he does, you know. And he's you know,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: very political too. Yeah, but and I just never listened
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: like he actually had some crossover songs that he would
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: actually see him doing when he was still instane and
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: he didn't leave. He did solo shows the Mohican Son
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: a lot, and I would go. He did like ten
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: in a Row in the cabaret was all. It was
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: only like a five hundred seat theater. It was a show,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: and it was a solo show, and he did all
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: his you know, like he's got the ballads and then
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: he had added some new songs and it was gone
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: called Massachusetts and all this stuff. Yeah yeah, and it
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: was great. But then when he went a full country,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, I'm whatever kind of done. And
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: then they came back that stained. But then he said,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: he said last year, he's like he's like, I just
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: love doing the solo shit better because I don't have
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: to worry about three other guys and uh, you know,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: and doing all this crap. I just just me and uh,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: you know, he usually brings like one other guitar stuff
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: with him, but it's just me and my tour bus
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: and my wife.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: And he's got the sound though, like so, yeah, so
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: he's got his dynamics and a sounddown to do that.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Get his point of view on that one. Do you
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: think that Stained were I don't want to say self plagiarizing,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: but do you think that Stained really kind of hit
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: a wall with how far they could push their sound
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: up to a point?
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Uh? I I think so? And then there so they
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: just had an album come out. It's fine.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Is it the derivative of their other sounds?
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah? You know, I think they're one of those bands
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: that didn't you know, they're not at STP where they
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: could change their style in a heartbeat, you know. There
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: they're heavy riffs, they're you know, screaming, you know.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: It's a halftime and everything. But they do it so great,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: and they've done it so well that they're able to
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: put their through college and right, and and here we
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: are talking about a band that's affected you in such
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: a positive way. So there's there's nothing negative about that
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: whole experience at all. It seems like they really did
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: a lot of positive.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Things they did, you know, and Shine Down was another
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: one for me. Uh. Their guitar is Zach Myers, right, Zach.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: He was he was at he was at Daniel Street.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what was that?
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: D was Zach And he was by himself that because
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: they were they were going from like New York to Boston,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: so he just you know, they had three days off
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: in between and Phil got him to come in and
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: incredible and it was like nobody there because no. Like
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: the funny thing about like music and is like I'm
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: guilty as sin of it is I can't some of
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: my favorite bands, I can't name all the fucking people
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: in it. It's usually the lead singer and then maybe
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: the you know, like an Eddie van Halen or you
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: know Johnny Wassaki who just passed the drummer of Stained
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Well he was the original. But so shine Down, I
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: remember seeing them a concert, and I'm sure you could
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: attest to this when when you were not the headliner,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's a shame because like the sound like
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: it's just I saw Shine Down twice before they became
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: a headliner. And when they became a headliner, holy fuck,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: what a difference. Like, you know, you get the pyrotechnics,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: you get the you know, you're on the front stage,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: you got you got everything going. And I remember seeing
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Incubus the only time I ever saw him, and they
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: were one of my favorite bands. They opened for Lincoln
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Park up in Mansfield, mass And I was just disappointed.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: And then Lincoln Park came out and it's just the
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: sound is completely different. I don't understand why. I don't
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: know if you've noticed that when you go to concerts, like.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: You know, well it's a long, long, long time ago.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: I well, not that long. I'm not that old.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow you are tomorrow stroke Gremlin, right, So it's uh,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: I used to think that there was like a button,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: you know, let's get that set up going for the sound.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: That's not necessarily that's I've never seen that though. I
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: think that one's happening. Is is that somewhere along the
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: way maybe perhaps the opening band did headline at a
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: certain point or something. I inkeep it, I'm sure did.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, small this was well, this was the outdoor ving.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is I mean, they weren't going to
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: be above Lincoln Park. I met was at their hype
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: back then.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: It's which they're still massive, right, So it's you have
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: to be able to adjust how you perform and how
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: you play, specifically with your dynamics if you are going
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: from a headline act somewhere to actually being the opening act, right,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: And dare I say you need to play less and
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: maybe not as much as far as loudness goes, so
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: because there are some opportunities and there is more space
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: for somebody to do more when you're headlining. You don't
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: have that when you're opening. So it has to be
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: really a succinct set with just everybody knowing when not
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: to play, right. That's the key.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Is this a true story? We were talking about Led Zeppelin.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: I've read this and I could have it all wrong,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: but I read that their first show they obviously opened
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: for somebody and they were so good that the other
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: band never came on stage and that was it. And
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I've never heard it, never heard that it could be
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: a complete story.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Well, Zeppelin was interesting, especially in the early days though too,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: and say it's true for anybody in that era. It's uh,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: they weren't legends the moment they hit the stage, right,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: they had to do what they had to do, and
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: then eventually, you know, popularity turns into mass popularity, popularity
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: turns into uh some more iconography, I'll use that word.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: And then eventually iconography can turn into legendary status.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: But you know they didn'thit the station become that a
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: lot of times. They really slopped through a lot of
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: stuff in those early days. When you check them out,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, just like the early days and confused performances.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: It's just like and it's it's beautiful when I say
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: when I say this, so it's in a superlative sense,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: nobody knows what the fuck is going on, but everybody's
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: listening to one another and they're never going to do
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: it the same way twice. So, and it wasn't clean
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: necessarily either. There was a lot of sound and energy
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: being thrown around stage. So whether that intimidated another band,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It could have it could have. Could
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: the other band that was supposed to go on before
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: them got drunken stoned and couldn't.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Performial back then? Yeah?
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: I know, right, dude, isn't that crazy to think? I
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: can't get enough of thinking about Jim Morrison getting blasted
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: drunk on stage and then going out there and doing
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: that shit, right, you know, it's a In my like
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: mid twenties, I would romanticize doing that kind of stuff.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: I'll look back at it right now and I'm like, yo, no.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: But what's crazy too, is like all these like eighties
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: bands and like they're all sober now, Yeah, they don't
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: know one drinks anymore. Like you watch the Motley Crue
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: doc and these guys are guzzling, you know, handles of
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Jack Daniels before and after show. Funny, dude, how do
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: they how do they get out of that era alive?
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: You know, like I mean, holy shit, this stuff business.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a yeah, it's a And maybe for that reason,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: I mean not really specifically talking about the drinking part,
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: but maybe perhaps some of the heart has been sacrificed.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Because if everybody's showing up on their own bus, with
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: their own lawyer, with their own entourage, your ability to
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: connect with your bandmates, you have all these walls around you,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: it's just shut down, right, And that's that's happened with
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: a lot of bands because the brand becomes much bigger. Yeah,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: it's it's then maybe perhaps you should let it.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Like I wonder like if this like this, you know,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: you're the kids in their twenties now that are in
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: these big rock bands or whatever. Are are just doing
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: what the guys did in the eighties or are they
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: just more aware of what sex still though I'm sure some.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know they're drinking, probably, but yeah, like,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: the eighties was a different fucking thing. Like I'm glad
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: I didn't. I'm glad I grew up when I did.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Like I'm glad I was too young in the eighties
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: to like, I've never done cocaine in my life, and
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: I'm so happy for it. Like I but I just
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: know myself, if I was born in like the mid
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: sixties instead of the mid seventies, I probably would have
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: been involved in it because it was just everywhere. It
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: was everywhere everywhere. You know, it was like it was
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: just fucking candy. Yeah that's what you did. Yeah, you know,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: it wasn't even taboo. It was out in the open.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: There's an interesting thing happened in LA right now. It
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: might be sort of on the downturn right now at
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: this point, but it kind of started around twenty nineteen.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: I saw it in twenty twenty when I was out
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: there and it was bands. Okay, do you remember that
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: that movie that Motley Cream made was called Dirt or Somebody?
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: That inspired a lot of folks we're in their late
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: twenties and thirties to do what Motley Cruze did. Not
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: necessarily playing in the genre, of course they did, but
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: also we want to do sleeves. We want to go
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: ahead and drink and act obnoxious. And here's the thing.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: It's like, West Hollywood is not what the fuck it
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: was in the eighties. Yeah, I mean, it's like the rents,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: the neighborhood is this is not it, right, So it's
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: interesting to try to transplant that kind of ego back
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: into something where no longer exists. It's basically like me
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: going down to the Lower East Side and doing coke
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: and trying to play ramone.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Stuff, you know what I mean.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: It's CBGB's is gone. Man, too bad, it's gone, right,
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: but the Viper Room is still there. It's probably gonna
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: be there forever. Let's hope cool Place and Whiskey is
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: still there.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: I've never been out to La you know. Hey, it's different.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: It's very different. So don't get chicken because down my
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: only get beef for fish because I've I got chicken
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: there once and it was it wasn't crazy with a
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: chicken wrap and it wasn't don Yeah, yeah it was crazy.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Oh they've probably cooked midray out there. They're fucking weird.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Let's try something progressive.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Let's get a chicken sushi.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it was weird because like, I had
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: this stomach bug that lasted for like a month until
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: one day I woke up and.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Reading chicken every day out there. What well, So, like.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: My show was, I had two shows. One of them
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: was like a showcasey thing and then the one was
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: like a show show. So I got there and the
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: day got there, that's when I got the chicken sandwich.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: The day of the show, I'm like, oh shit, my
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: stomach is completely fucked up. And not only that, but
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: I'm convinced the viper room is completely haunted because he
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: felt that too. I show up early to shows, so
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: it's like next to the guy putting the lights on
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: in the place, and I'm like right behind him. So
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: I had a chance to vibe out in there, and
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: I don't have any you know, special spiritual powers or
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: anything like that. But it's hard to sit there and
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: be still and not be like, what the fuck is that?
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: So so anyways, it took me a month to go
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: ahead and actually let this thing completely hit and my
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: wife Claire took me to the emergency room, right and
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: I'm just completely knocked out, and the doctor asks me,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: He's like, hey, have you traveled out of the country recently?
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: And you know, truthfully, I'm like, well, lash, they got
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: so so in lo and behold. Everything kind of pointed
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: to that being the source.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow. I mean, so I have stomach issues like
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't believe. I was actually in the hospital last
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: week for it, and we can't get to the bottom
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: of it yet. So I have some like breath tests
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: coming up. Damn cut out gluten and I cut out dairy.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: I should probably cut out alcohol. Actually I did last week.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Didn't even drink last week.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, did you get an endoscopy?
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: I had that. I had the colonoscopy a leidoscopy about
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: two months ago. For us about yes, yes, men's health,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: men's health. Men's health is very important. My grandfather died
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: of colon cancer. And never met him, and he was
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: very late to be detected, so you know, he didn't
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: have a chance back in you know, the seventies early seventies.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I know, you know Mike Dicka, Yeah, obviously,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: I remember. It always stuck out to me. He was
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: on Mike and the mad Dog one day that, you know,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: the sports radio show that was you know, out of
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: New York, and they had him on. He was doing
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: some book tour thing and it was all about men's health,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: and like, I don't know what the exact number was,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: but it was like, well over seventy percent of men
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: just don't do the necessary pre screening stuff they need
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: to do, you know, whether it's a colonoscopy or even
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: an endoscopy or whatever. Like they just they just think
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: they're you know, invincible. You know, you're not, you know.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: And I was cleared for seven years with my colonoscopy,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: you know, and they cut out a little poll up
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: because everything was non cancerous. So knock on wood there,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: which is standard.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're you're you're in like the green you're young.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, come back in seven years, we'll do
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: another one.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Cool.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, cool, But there's a lot of things you can do,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: you know, for pre screening of a lot of stuff.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: And I think that's what happens with men, is they
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: just they're too macho or they're just too inconvenienced. And
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: you've been there myself.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah around they need to be you know.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a it's a actually know what you
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: said that I'd be a great topic for a whole
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: show is just talk about men's.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Health absolutely, you know, you know, and and bringing that
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: to some sponsors and saying this is a thing. You know, Uh,
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: it's okay if people are uncomfortable about it, that's okay.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: I have my doctor on you know that.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: You know incredible you could save a life literally. Isn't
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: that amazing that you actually do that?
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Wow Yeah all right, so let's change change gears
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: a little bit. But before we do, I know you're
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: a big beer guy. Uh you're always trying. I mean
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: we're not like we don't have too many fancy stuff
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: at stone Bridge, you know, but we got the locals.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: But what are some of your favorite breweries locally in
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: New England or nationally? Like, what's your like? I gotta
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: have that beer if this bar has it what is it?
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Are you an I p a guy? Yeah?
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Like summers as well. Thankfully my wife is equally into injury.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Really good beers too. We were up in Boston this
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: past weekend and we went to Democracy Brewing, which that
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: is across on a side street from Boston Common. Okay,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: so a little further on in North Boston there. Incredible place. Yeah,
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: it's just everything we had was really great. Did the
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: flights and then we really just kind of enjoyed it.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Did they have like a conservative and a liberal beer?
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: That so nice?
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: A way to break down the wall, right, red beer
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: and bluer? Yeah, right, Jeremy, you have the answer right there.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that might be a Democracy brewing, My god.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, just bring people together.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: And then they can have like a Trump one. It's
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: called the End of Democracy. Threat, threat to Democracy. Sorry,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: threat to democracy sounds like a movie with yeah, yeah yeah.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Remember all his movies were three words, you know, like
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: above the law whatever, like.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: His name is in between the titles. They were perfect
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: is above the law is marked for.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: God. Those are some good movies growing up. Oh my
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: god was the best. He got a little wacky though, too,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: so Democracy Brewing locally. Are you a fan of love it.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, those guys are those guys are awesome, totally.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Two Roads is fantastic too. We had a couple of
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: smaller ones that were around for a little while. It
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: seems like maybe that kind of died out a little bit.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the survival of these places had they
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: have to have a beer garden. Like if you're going
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: to be smaller, like, you just have to. You have to.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: You have to generate your money through selling it retail. Yeah,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: you know, not all sale.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: It's true things.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Why a lot of these guys went away.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they Elaborates just closed and I was upstate and
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: they were really good. I really like them. So from Milford,
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: it's I'm proud to say that we have tribes here
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: like they're just they make such great stuff and what
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: a great vibe and been a witchcraft. I haven't been
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: a witchcraft.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is uh. I had the guitars from
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Hate Breed on. Yeah, he was one of my first
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: big catches.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Cool.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we autographed a bunch of cans. I drove
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: up there and picked up a case and it's actually,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a huge beer guy, but they're
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: they're still around. I'm pretty sure right that was. They
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: had a big they had a big thing going. They
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: had a beer a they actually did have a beer garden.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: This is like right around COVID too, so we kind
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: of had that.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. See that's the bitch of it right there. I mean,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: it's like it's unfortunate that some of these places took
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: such a hit that they weren't able to recover, right,
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: And that's that's a shame. But if they love it,
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: hopefully they'll find their way back. To me.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Trivis was was pretty new when COVID hit. Yeah, it's it's.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Year or two at that point.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: It's so wacky to think just just four years ago,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: just four years ago as well.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: I gotta gotta mention.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: And I mean, you get the good pizza with the beer,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: perfect combo.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: The Jeff Browning is great, a stellar brewmeister, and.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: You go right to a nice show. Yeah, you know
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: over at the one of the two arenas there.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, incredible place.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: I think Trivis is probably, like, you know, my heart
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: is with Trivis and Matt and those guys like I
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: just you know, I worked with Map for years at Stonebridge.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: He was he was our sous chef before he went
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: off to brew school. Nice. Yeah, and I think he was.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he invented Sea Hag, but he
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: was one of the head brewers for Sea Hag and amazing.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah and uh and him and the two other guys,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: uh farm Travis.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Do you remember Cast Republic and New Haven?
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like is that not there anymore? Sadly?
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: The place was huge though. I can't imagine what the
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: rent was there. It was it took you a half
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: hour walk back to the bathroom.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: It was. It was long as hell.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: And I'd stopped and look at all the wine and yeah, right,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: I had all this really ship. Yeah.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: So that's what got my wife and I into craft beers.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: That was on the recommendation of a friend that we
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: should go. And we went there and they had main
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: lunch on tap and uh we.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Had that at Stonemas now just you know, incredible inside
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: inside weekend for sure.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Hell im, I'd even go later.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: So that's your birthday, pre birthday?
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Why not?
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Right it? Girls get a month at least get a
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: couple of days, right, I got yeah, yeah, absolutely, give.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: The men a hand. So it's uh so we had
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: that and it was like, what the hell is this?
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: And how do we get more of it? Up to
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: that point, so this this had to have been like
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. I'm guessing I was strictly into German and
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Belgian beers.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: So was that a phase of your life?
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: It was like two years I got it. I got
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: a journal and I journaled all of this stuff. Yeah,
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: And I was like, these Europeans just know the ship,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: and they do so when it comes to like the Donkels,
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: when it comes to the Heffies and the whip Beers,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: he just that's the spot. Uh so uh or the
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: Saisons even they're just really great. But this whole movement,
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: like an American craft beer just we've got an identity. Yeah,
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: you know, we could actually hang with the big guys
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: right now because what we have and we're putting out
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: is pretty serious shit, right.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: You know. They're getting the ingredients, they're good ingredients.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: They need to Yeah, people care. Yeah, it's a it's
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: a craft.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Actually a lot of the equipment is coming from overseas too,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: like that they all use over there. Cool. A lot
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: of these guys are getting it from Europe and Germany
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: and nice all all this Stuffy didn't Dan Zeke you
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: know damn. Yeah, he's been on the show.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: Who doesn't know Dan, right, I mean, he's just he's
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: like Kevin Baker.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: I think he's in Thailand and the year but yeah
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, he's eating pad tie or something and
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: he must have a wife over there he hasn't told
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: us about yet.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, God bless. Yeah, so I saw that he He
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: did like a beer trail some time ago when he
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: was working one of the local brewers. He went out
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: there and it was like, that's that's it. You know,
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: you know what you're doing here. You're gonna go ahead
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: and see what the masters did back then somehow put
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: this together and whatever which way, Yeah, bam, here we are.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now Dan's Dan's I remember him well. I met
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: him a while back, but I remember he was two
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: roads and yeah two roads now, I don't I don't
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: know if he was working for a distributor. Last I
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: saw him a couple of years ago, he was at
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: the casino. I'm not sure if he's I think it
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: was with maybe Breast and Bartman or something. I think
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: he was guy and then the in the beer, the
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: beer division of it. Yeah, the guy knows his stuff,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: and actually a little shout out to Dan he does.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: He does a food you tube channel where he does
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: he does these food reviews and a lot of them
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: happened to be in Thailand because guy's always there. But
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: I got to get to Thailand. I think your dollar
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: stretches pretty well out there.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, yeah.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, your marriage should probably keep to sit that
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: one out. But if you're single, I'd go to Thailand.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: The lawlessness of Thailand.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: What's what one more music question? What's one of the craziest,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: coolest places you ever played? Like outside of the Viper
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: from I would say that's probably was a pretty sick
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: place to play.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: You know. It's the Viper Room. If I could draw
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: a comparison, is not that different looking inside than Daniel Street.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Really just the same kind of setup.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: It's a similar south.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: The stage isn't like Mass is younger.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: It might I be a little bit smaller, really wild
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: to think, right, yeah, yeah, And here's the big difference
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: between I'm gonna share with it, between La and anything
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: on the East coast. Right, So now imagine Daniel Street, right,
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: you got your stage, you have your bar, right, then
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: you have your boots that kind of go along the side, right, Yeah,
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Now the viper room has boots. But what makes it,
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: what reminds you that you're in LA, is that there's
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: a little placard on each boot that says two thousand
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: dollars reservation. Yeah, three thousand dollars reservation. Right, So if
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: you want to stay in these boots and hang out, hey,
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: you gotta drop some.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: Dope, right, which, well, I mean all the stars go there, right,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: they have their own private tables.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: I suppose. So what's what's wacky about it though, is
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: that everybody is so close together that you could be
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: in your booth, but you're like an arm's length away
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: from like the next person standing next to you. So
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: it's it's totally just like a weird LA thing.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: I guess.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: You know, people if they have the money, maybe they
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: just like to spend it. You know.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: It's it's insane, every buddy. It was just in mon
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: Talk and it was like fifty thousand dollars cover charge
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: to get in because fifty cent was there. It's a
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: lot that's just to get in.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: I get the fifty part.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, fifty bucks a couple. I'm like what.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: It's just there's just some really dumb money out there,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: dumb money, just people just fucking don't care good when
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: they spend it on my fifty dollars I'm putting down
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: on a house signing I spend it. No, no, no,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: all right, So, uh, we're gonna we're gonna wrap this
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: up the second part a little quicker because that was
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: a great conversation. Mark, that was awesome. I love, I love. Now.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: It's fine. That's what you're here, that's why you're here.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: So they did a prisoner swap today, Okay, Uh it
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: was the Wall Street Journal reporter that was this is
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: Russia and the United States. It was the Wall Street Journal, uh,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: reporter and then another guy forget who it was that
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: was supposed to be in like the Britney grinder deal
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: a year ago.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Oh I remember that.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I don't really have too much to say
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: on it. But what I do know is is that
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: we haven't released on what we swapped, and so we
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: don't know if it was, you know, another fucking wacky
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: arms dealer. We don't know, if it was some terrorists,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: we don't know. They just the White House is not
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: reporting on who we swapped to get these two people back.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: I'm glad they're home, but I feel like this is
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: the problem, Like this we we become such a weak
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: country because we like we we literally gave the butcher
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: of bad Yeah yeah, yeah, like for a basketball player,
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: like like now, now we did the world know. It's
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: like all right, if we capture some you know, old hostage,
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: some higher ups over in America, we're gonna get our
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: guys back, and so it's free game. Like I would
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: not recommend going to Russia right now, No, no, no,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: it is. It's a I mean from you know, beautiful
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: area of Moscow and all that, but I just that
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: would not stay.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: Away, Yes, yeah, that would stay away definitely.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: And this this one really got to me today. There's
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of news today, so I'm gonna get you
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: caught up here with me, please.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I was telling Jeremy before we started that I
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: did not watch or listen to any news, maybe more
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: than just today. Uh so, so these will be genuine reactions.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, perfect. The three guys that are in Guantanamo, Obey,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: that were the masterminds of nine to eleven, have the
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: US has come to a plea deal with them so
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: they will not face the death penalty. Now, these three
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: are responsible for three thousand deaths on nine to eleven
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: and probably a million more do the wars that it caused.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: They've been on trial since two thousand and three, jeez,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: twenty one fucking years. What are we doing here? Like
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: what the fuck are we doing? Like we can.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: Fucking bring Trump to trial and fucking get him convicted
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: in less than fucking four months, and these guys have
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: been on trial for twenty one years. We've fed them,
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: we've housed them, and now we're gonna continue to do so.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: Like I'm not here or there on a death penalty,
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: but I'm sorry, you're the mastermind of nine to eleven.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: I don't think we need to pay for you to live.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: I just I see what what?
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: What? What? What took so long? Like why why is
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: why are these guys sitting here for twenty one years?
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: There might be a lot of stuff we don't know.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Right, Like the police and the George Floyd trial, they
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: were just bump gone, see you you're going You're own
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: a prison. These three, like these three are fucking still
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: running the system. I thought Obama got rid of fucking Guantanamo.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: To Actually it was one of his things.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: Apparently, I guess not, but I don't guess.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: We're kind of hanging around.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're hanging around intad they're getting released, he said, No,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: they're not getting released. They're just not getting the death penalty.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: So we get some taxpayers get to pay for them
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: to live the rest of their lives out in prison. No,
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: they're not getting out, but they were going to be
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: put to death, and they reached what's the plea deal?
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: What were they gonna admit to? What are they gonna
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: admit to? Like what? Man?
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: I have no idea.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: I just did like a whole nine to eleven fucking
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: thing a couple like a month ago. And it's just
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: like just infuriated me when I read it today, Like
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: what is really going on here? What is really going on?
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Asks a great question?
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: What's going on? Like I I don't understand it? Uh,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: it is what it is? I guess, I don't know.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're asking a question.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: If it doesn't make sense, then there's likely submiss I thought.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: I thought, like like like bush in you know, right
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: after nine to eleven, you know, think about all the
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: all the laws that were pasted that are intrusive on
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: our lives because of nine to eleven. You know, the
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: homeland security was developed. Uh you know, basically we gotta
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: what one guys say, we got to take off her
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: shoes and do a dance just to get on an airplane.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: You know, you know there's a long realist of ship.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: You know, they basically spy on us.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: You know, I can't imagine the world otherwise now without
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: getting checked in the airport like we do, and to
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: think that yeah, all.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, there we go, yeah with a cigarette, with
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: a cigarette and oh yeah that happened. Yeah, that was
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: the that was the thing. Actually, we used to we
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: used to be able to. My parents were divorced, so
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: I lived when I was really young, so I lived
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania for a while. So I used to take
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: this little puddle jumper back and forth in Massachusetts to
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: see my They're cool. And you used to like you
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: used to be able to walk your friend, your wife,
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: your kid, whatever, all the way to the gate. Like
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: you used to be able to walk to the gate
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: and say goodbye or meet than at the gate as
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: they get off. Now it's you gotta wait on the
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: other side of security.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it wasn't the big thing.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: We don't negotiate with terrorists. Whatever happened to that?
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: Who said that? I said, yeah, yeah, I did hearing that.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: I just don't understand what we what do we plead
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: dealing there.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: I'm not defending anybody by saying I suppose I.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: Didn't say it never. Yeah, I think. I think this
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: is just a lot of political moves in Biden's last
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: far five months or whatever he's got left, and I
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: just there's.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: A lot going on. We don't not going on. Yeah, yeah,
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: it seems I tried to think of it too much.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: I have a couple of friends that really spend a
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: lot of time thinking about it, and you could tell
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: the weight of the world is on their shoulders every
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: time you see them.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, no, there's there's a There is definitely some
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: I don't want to call it ignoran, but there's there
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: is bliss and some ignorance. You know. Uh, I wish
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: I didn't read some of the ship I do. I
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: probably just go out with my life a little easier.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: You have a family and kids, Uh, well I have
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: a girlfriend and her son, so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: so I got that, and.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: Uh, you have an investment.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: I worry about him. In other words, you know, I
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: worry about him more than you know, anything else really,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: because you know, he's fourteen, he's he's going to be
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: a freshman at platte, he's gonna be playing football, and
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: I just I just worry about everyone his age or
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: kids just growing up now.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: But he's got you, you know.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I can't always watch them. I can't always
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the fuck he's watching on TikTok
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: and Instagram.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah that does change things a little bit, right, Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: I mean when you when you and I were growing up,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: we'd actually have to call the girl's house talk to
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: the mom to talk to the girl we wanted to
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: go out a date with. I.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: I really didn't like talking to the father I was.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: I was tough, Yeah, it was really tough.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: My high school girlfriend, her father was a fucking mean
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: old dan, was he.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: I tend to fucking soften everybody up, but yeah, he was.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: He was rough in the beginning. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: respectful what they want to hear? All Right, So I've
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: been on this topic since I started this podcast almost
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: got three and a half years ago, and it really
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: came to a head. Today in the Olympics, there's a
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: women's boxing there was an Italian boxer, Angela Karini, she's
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: obviously a women's Italian boxer, and she was going up
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: against Amani Khalif. I'm probably botching that name. Amani Khalif
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: was suspended from boxing last year in the World Championships
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: because she tested too high on Testostero. So this person
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: is a man and they had a match today or
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: late last night, and I think it kind of kind
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: of made the mainstream earlier today. And she punched her
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: so hard that she gave up this the Angela, the
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: Italian boxer, she gave up threw in the towel forty
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: six seconds into the fight. Oh, she said, I've never
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: been hit that hard ever before.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: I've trained my whole life for this.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: And twenty six seconds forty six seconds, Wow, that's wild.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: The fight literally started to.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: Get at most and she fucking said she feared for
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: her life and she refused to shake hands with the person.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: I don't blame her. And it has started by the
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: way it's went through she the week. This has started
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: a fire storm on the internet. It's really insane. And
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: I have been on trans or men in women's sports
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: since day one. I have defended women. I don't know
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: where the women's rights activists are in this. They don't.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: They seem to cower when these topics come up. I
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: think it's just the most common sensical thing that if
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: you are a man and you cannot compete at a
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: level that is competitive with other men, and you need
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: to become a woman to compete with women in a
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: sport of boxing. There is such mental health questions here
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: and how it is allowed at the Olympic level is
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: a mockery to women's sports in my opinion, and should
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: never be allowed. It shouldn't even I don't understand why
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: it's even a fucking thing. And the outpouring for this
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: lady is unbelievable though, like literally like or the Italian
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: the actual woman who got beat I think to the
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: through in the towel, because she got punched, her nose
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: almost got broken, she got punched in the face twice,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: and she was like, I've you know, she boxes with
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: women and now she's boxing with a biological male. And
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: she said she'd never gotten hit so hard in her life.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: In the Olympics, and the outpouring on the internet is crazy,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: like there's there's somebody started to go on me page
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: to try to raise money for her if she had
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: won gold, like she was derailed by a man to
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: get to her lifelong dream of competing for a gold
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: Mellaling Olympics. And she was the name of the other
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: boxer uh Amani Khalif Amani Amani a money okay? Cool?
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: So I when I refer to Amani, then I'll say Amani.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: And with the Italian girl, what's her name?
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: Her name is Angela Karini, Angela yes versus Angela yes? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: So uh, Like I said, I've been talking about this
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  Speaker 1: topic for a long time. You know, it hits home
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: in Connecticut. There was the famous uh Trands that was
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: competing in track and field in high school and was
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: beaten girls and girls went to the Supreme Court of
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: Connecticut and tried to I think they I think they won.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: I think the band in the band is in Connecticut.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: I do believe in a lot of inclusivity with with
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: with everything in the world, but you have to draw
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: a line in something like this. I just don't. I
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: just again, like there's UFC fight well not UFC. There
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: are MMA fighters that are biological men in women's brackets,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: that are putting girls in stretchers. You know, like imagine
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: training for the Olympics your whole life. You're a woman,
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  Speaker 1: and you get you get the call you're the best
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Italian boxer, women's boxer, you get the Olympics and your
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: first opponent is a biological mail and pummels the fuck
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: out of you.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: Ideally, it'd be nice if she beats the ship on them.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: That would have been awesome. But this isn't you know,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Billy Jean and King versus whatever that guy was back
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: in the day. You know what I mean? You know,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: so this is I don't know that's I mean this
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: person there's so I do Douche of the week. This
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: is on a multi level. It's not just this person
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: that is the box or she was allowed to box,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: so I can't put it all on her. This goes
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: into the IOC, This goes into the people that govern
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: this ship. How do you let this happen?
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: So you women respec Yeah, if you don't, you don't
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: have to.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: You want to stay out of this topic, feel free?
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: Does amani and I have I have no answers here,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: So I really I have more questions than anything. Yeah, uh,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: I know someone who's trands and them actually telling me
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: they were was. I mean, it didn't bother me either way,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: and it's just because you know, I care for the
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: individual and which way, So I never really saw like
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: or what wasn't looking for a transition to me, this
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: person was always cool, always will be cool, and that's
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: you know. And I received a letter from her parent
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: after she told me that she she is female, and
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: it was it was a long letter of like, this
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: person was in an incredible amount of pain and suffering
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: being in a body that didn't deserve or didn't want.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: We'll say, you know, I don't know what it's like
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: to be trance, and I don't know what it's barely
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: like to be anyone else except you know, compassion goes
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: a long way in space. Space and compassion. Now we
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: pose this question, does Amani And this whether it's yes
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: or no, is irrelevant almost, but it could lead us
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: down a different path. Does Amani actually think truthfully heart
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: and soul and his or her entirety? However you want
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: to use your prono on there, uh that she is
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: a he or she is a woman. Does she actually
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: believe this completely?
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: Well, I can't get into that person's head, right, So
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: Know, right, But that's that's the start of it, right
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: And I agree with that. How we react to it
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: and is very individual and very different with the organization.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: I can say this, that person probably has it in
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: her head that they are female.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: Completely and totally right, just like I believe that, Jeremy.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: But they also know that they were born a male
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: and they wanted out of that body, right, they wanted
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: out of that Okay, Okay, you can't tell me that
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: they are competing in a sport where she is a
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: biological male beating up a woman and it's cheered upon
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: in the stickings. Is the fucking wacky world we live
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: in right now?
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: But does she believe I don't buy it.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: I believe she believes she's a woman.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, okay, So does Amani also believe then that she
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: is strong enough or at the level of a woman
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: wholeheartedly too? In other words, is the intention to I
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: have more power because I'm a man, so that I'm
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: not going to beat up a woman? Is that there?
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: Or is it ignorance on potential ignorance that I do
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: believe that I should be competing with a woman, because
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: that's really at the level that I'm at. See, the
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: question of intent is could change how these well, okay
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: or guidelines might work.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: Right. Well, let's look at Lea Thomas. So Lea Thomas
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: was a male swimmer for the University of Pennsylvania. Okay, okay,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: he was average at best, never won shit, transitions in
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: the off season to a woman and starts beating and
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: winning gold medals and was eventually not allowed to go
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: to the Olympics. A person like that, to me on
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: the outside looking in, says to me they know exactly
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: what they're fucking doing. And in the sport of boxing boxing,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: like were you a man transitioning to a woman to
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: become a boxer? We female boxer? That is a niche sport.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: But even though you and I share a similar common
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: sense because of our background, not everybody shares the same
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: common sense and how they actually view the world themselves
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: and themselves in it. So when we look at this situation,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: we can't help it to look at it from a
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: conditioned point of view. Same for them, they have a
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: different conditioning because they came up in a different environment
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: with different people. Now, I'm not saying it's right or wrong,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: or they should or shouldn't compete or not compete. That's
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: not even that's the result. The confusion that happens when
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: I'm actually doing this is the result of us not
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: having a meeting of the minds, because nowhere along the way,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: no individuals can you know, I'll tell you this, I'm
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: lucky if you want to call it lucky, you want
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: to call it synchronicity, that's great. I like that one
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: to be able to come across a lot of people
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: that are very different from myself. And the difference is
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: in you know, flesh and blood. The difference is condition
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: and behavior and what would be a developed common sense
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: right morals. I mean, that's you know, that's that's also
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: a separate issue that we could talk about. But everybody
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: seems to be living within the realm of relative morals.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: But if we could figure out a way to have
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: meeting of the minds here and see what the intent is,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: to see how we could accommodate somehow, I mean, I know, accommodation.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: Why not just make the trans division.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: That sounds like maybe perhaps that could work I think that,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: and I don't. Again, I don't follow the news, so
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know how this came across. But you know
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: what it came across, because I'm supposed to know this
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: piece of information right now. Otherwise I don't know why
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: I know it. I because again I barely watched the
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: news anymore. But Caitlyn Jenner, right, Bruce Jenner, Yeah, right,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: so here sheet. However you choose to identify.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: Make sure you use your pronouns. You know, a.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: Smile goes a long way. You know, I'm a big
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: fan of a smile.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: And coc and a smile.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: So I believe that she the he was championing a
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: trans league in Jersey. So it's so some of those folks,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: some of those folks.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: Well, she is conservative as well. She is also she's
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: on Fox News all the time. She she rails against
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: this stuff, being an Olympic athlete as well.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: Perhaps maybe that Caitlyn Jenner could be some sort of
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: conduit between these two completely different parties.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: Now, should Lebron James go put on a dress and
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: play against the women, well, well, I mean big dress.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: Well he's got big Aaron judging person is huge monster.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: He is it looks really cool to see because I
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: saw some really cool and I'm a Red Sox fan.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: But it's not Yeah you're beautiful, Red Sox.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: Amazing game.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: Back to your back to your your original question you
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: posed back to me about like does does the person know? See?
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: This is where I get into like the mental health
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: part of this, because, as you say, they were born
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: like your friend right yes, was born was born a male? Yes,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: and was in the wrong body right yes. Okay, Now
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: this is going to sound cynical and more comedic than
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: anything else, but like I want to be six or
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: five chiseled and fucking play football, you know what I mean? Like,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: this is the hand I was dealt. This is what
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: I got it. So when trans people need to change
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: their sexual identity, I'm fine with it. I really am.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: I could care less. It's when you push it upon
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: other people and is it. Let's say she thinks she's
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: okay in that ring with that lady, right MONI is
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: in the ring with Angela today and she thinks she
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: belongs there, she should be there. That to me is
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: where the mental health issue comes in, because if she
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: truly believes that something's wrong in my world in my world.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: You have a good point on that, and I think
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: that's where the meeting in the mind is because what
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: we have to do is is that, first off, it'd's
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: so fucking cool if everybody dropped every fucking label.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: And just was right.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: That's not gonna happen, sadly anytime soon, because it seems
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: as if there's just more labels on top of labels,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: because when you look deep inside the person, it's not
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: what you see, it's what you don't see that really matters,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: and that's really what never goes away. I know that
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: everybody fucking say it in this term. Everybody, a lot
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: of folks seem to right now have a boner for
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: really just using lots of labels to describe themselves.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: The first time boner I think it has ever been
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: fucking said on this show.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: Put her in the books, but it's a I don't
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: see that being a good thing. But that doesn't matter
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: what my opinion is, because it's just an opinion. But
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: the one thing that could change things is maybe as
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: hard as it could be because it goes against our
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: conditioning behavior and what we view as our own common sense,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: which common sense a lot of times is a very
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: per personal point of view as well. If we don't
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: judge it, which is so fucking hard to do sometimes,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: and actually give it the space to work itself out somehow,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: we might not get the answer in our lifetime. I'm
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: okay with that. If we don't, if we die with
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: more questions than answers, right, you and I, that's okay,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: as long as we could look at each other in
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: the eye and maybe give a fuck for a moment,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: no matter how different we think we are, and actually
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: come to realization that we're actually not. But you're talking
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: about brass tax though you're talking about in this boxing match,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: this person has more power than this person, and whether
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: they identify as whatever doesn't matter. This person has more
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: power than this one. Therefore they shouldn't be battling it
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: off for whatever reason. That's okay.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: Because of genetics, okay, not because of training.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: Cool.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure there's some involved.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: But some people are genetically predisposed male, female or whatever
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: to be able to be.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: Better at chromosomes.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: It's chromosomes, okay, It could be right. Could be that
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: I'm giving very general answers because I don't have any.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: You and Claire have a daughter, right, Okay, Okay, if
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: we did yes, and she makes the Olympic team and
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: boxing and this happens to her, how do you feel.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: Well, that's interesting because I would have to go through
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: an entire lifetime of being a father to go ahead
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: and be able to give you an answer on that.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: I can't because I haven't been there.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: Hypothetically.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: Hypothetical is just as good as me writing a story
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: about being a father of a kid.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: I never had write a song about it, so I
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: could write those and I.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: And thankfully I am in deep love. So but yeah,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: so back to the writing. And that's exactly why the
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: song our your song finished the show up gotta be
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: from a place, you know.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you just talk so much about common
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: sense though, and that's where I think this would come in, Like,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't, I didn't, you know, I'm not
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: Braden's father been with him for six years since he
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: was eight and now he's fourteen. And you know, it's
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: crazy because you don't see men trying to be I'm sorry,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: you don't see women becoming men to compete in men's sports,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: like it only goes one way. Why because they classify
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: sports between men and women. And there's a reason why
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: women's golfers are teeing off fucking forty yards ahead of
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: a male golfer. There's reasons in a lot of sports
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: why they're categorized as men versus women.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: And our system isn't set up to accommodate the current
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: demands of what's happening right right That is probably a
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: good way to get the conversation started.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: I don't even think there's enough trans athletes to start
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: a vision. Is it is such a it is such
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: a small personage of athletes in the world, you know,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: like we're hand picking them, you know, like the swimmer
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: and Riley gains with Kentucki's was against the swimmer Lee
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: of Thomas and the track and field people. And now
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: there's some ma A fighters and and there's this boxer.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: I don't even think they have I mean, if they
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: made one, would more people compete? But again, how do
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: you maybe like, are you still going to test for
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: a testosterone? Is there still going to be I mean,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: is it is there two divisions in this Is there
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: a men's trans league and a women's trans.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: You have amazing questions, you really really do that would
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: quite literally, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: if I was asking that I swear to God, yeah,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: and I care for you, and that my God go
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: sleep at night.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: Because for the first of all, you know anything about
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: this ship because I can't sleep.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: Well, okay, so.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: It's not because of this, it's of these devices vice versa.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: Because I can't sleep.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: Is why I saw a special on a guy that
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: became whatever you've ever tried, no tone and everything.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: I tried it all. Actually I do. I prescribed one.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: The problem is like, if I really need to sleep,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: I'll take a whole one. But there's like a fucking hangover,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, it's it sucks.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: There was a guy I saw on a documentary or
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: a special somewhere that had severe insomna, and what he
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: decided to do is is to paint paintings on the
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: head of a pin. He would recreate like van Go
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: and Monaque, just the top.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: Of a little pill on the top of a pin.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: And he knew that it was just that was his
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: talent somehow. The way he's like, I can't sleep, What
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: am I going to do? Right, I'm going to go
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: ahead and recreate Starry Night on the head of a pin.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: I can't sleep worrying about transit. No, no, no, maybe
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: maybe you could use well, you know what this this
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: whole show was because I couldn't sleep. I was just
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: tossing a tournament bed. It was right. It was during COVID.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: I wasn't working, you know, the restaurant was shut down,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know what, We'd been drinking a
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: lot because what else was there to do in those
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: six eight weeks we were shut down, and I.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: Actually had fun. I'm like, yeah, it was affected very negatively.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: Yes, there is a small part of me that misses it. Yeah,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: the world shut down, Like the roads were clear. I
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: would literally go and I'd buy a six pack of
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: something and I would just drive the beach from Milford
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: to west even not a comping site, no one bothering me,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: just just and just go with my thoughts. So whatever,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: you know, so I started the show and do.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: A special thing with the show, and you have a
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: very special base here in Milford.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: Yea.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: And whatever I refer to your name on the show,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: that was to the listeners listening, just to let you know.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: So it's not like you know, I didn't know you
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: were here, like, hey, Jeremy, but I think that everybody
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: that's listening right now we should all throw a nice, big,
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  Speaker 2: huge party and celebrate Jeremy's show and.
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  Speaker 1: Do something we'll do. We'll do. This is what we'll do.
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  Speaker 1: We'll do a four year anniversary show at Trivis in January.
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  Speaker 2: My god, that'd be great.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what we'll do. Just like I'll talk to
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  Speaker 1: Matt and we'll set your I'll invite all my former
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  Speaker 1: guests and who ever can make it can make it
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  Speaker 1: just a rock. I'm just going to fucking enjoy.
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  Speaker 2: It absolutely that that sounds like just what a great idea,
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  Speaker 2: you know what.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Mark, Yeah, I love that idea. Forty people
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  Speaker 1: aroun here.
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  Speaker 2: I really love you man, and this is like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: this is really an opportunity for us all to come together.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome. Thank you so much for coming on the show today.
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  Speaker 1: You're a great conversation with your music, KNOWLOGI. Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: So we're going to end the show playing gasoline fires.
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  Speaker 1: This was released. How long ago this one was It
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  Speaker 1: was twenty nineteen. Yeah, so this one was a little older. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I like this one. I had a little more I'm
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  Speaker 1: just going to read the first lyrics before.
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  Speaker 2: I play it, and it's about how any typos?
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  Speaker 1: No, it says, crashing down, I'm a river breaking stones,
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  Speaker 1: six feet very deep, but not alone breaking. Oh excuse me,
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  Speaker 1: breathing out, setting chills right through your bones. Set my
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  Speaker 1: prayers for these sins. I can't atone. I'm a gasoline fire.
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  Speaker 1: Not much that you can do. I'm a gasoline fire,
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  Speaker 1: and baby, I've burned for you. Wow. That's pretty that's
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  Speaker 1: pretty deep. Thanks. I like that.
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  Speaker 2: Wow that was yeah, well, you know it felt right.
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  Speaker 2: It felt the times.
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  Speaker 1: Well I think it feels right now too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Can you elaborate a little bit of where that came from?
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  Speaker 1: Or it's just something personal?
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  Speaker 2: No, it's uh well, I mean what what is it?
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  Speaker 1: What does that mean?
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  Speaker 2: It's like, I mean a strong desire, right, yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: something that seems to be uh indestructible, you know. So
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  Speaker 2: within that there is this burning, burning desire for Oh
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  Speaker 2: was it recognition for?
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  Speaker 1: Is it love?
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  Speaker 2: That that could be up to you. I think within
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: the song maybe verse two maybe takes it to the
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  Speaker 2: other place, but either way, it's that, you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: just desire and wanting to be noticed. I suppose by
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  Speaker 2: either a love or by whomever.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, the graphic art on that is awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Mike Parker, Mike Parker, Mike.
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  Speaker 2: Parker, Milford, I is he Yes, W went to foreign
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  Speaker 2: high school with Mike Parker and uh he is into
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  Speaker 2: animation and does a great His company is called low
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: Brow Studios.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, rings a Bell Yeah, I'm sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, because we're all kind of connected somehow. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's the point, and then we all connected to it.
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  Speaker 2: But it wasn't amazing how much talent is in this
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  Speaker 2: town remarkable.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not from here and I'm just astounded by it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and any opportunity to work with anybody from Milford
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  Speaker 2: is just a joy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, awesome. So we're gonna end the show on
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  Speaker 1: the song and we'll hang out for a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: I know, we got stuff to do. So this is
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  Speaker 1: Gasoline Fire by Mark set Daniel. I like you, thank
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  Speaker 1: you so much. You're welcome Mark.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, that was good man. Yeah. H what does the
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: coach of the Italian boxers saying this happened today? Everyone's
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: played last night. Yeah, something might as well be today
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  Speaker 2: then yeah, yeah, they're they're so far this is that's
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  Speaker 2: heavy ship. Yeah, no, that's going to bring up all
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: kinds of stuff. Did you think that