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Are Bears really moving to Indiana? Breaking down the new bill · Da Windy City Sports Podcast

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Wendy city podcast presented by fan side it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That man right there is Alex Shapiro, you know, you love him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This guy right here, you may not love as much as Kenneth Davis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, we're the host here of the Wendy city podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, already said we're presented by fan side it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This man is coming off of fresh vacation to the Bahamas in the wintertime.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's doing baller thingsy Chicago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We get out of here in the wintertime.
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[SPEAKER_00]: While I'm coming off of work today is my Saturday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: my new Saturday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So listen, this episode, we'll be remiss if we don't talk about Indiana still in the bears away from.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, we just did the stadium podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we got to do it again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have to do it again because in Alice are getting to what took place yesterday and I will express my emotions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I know he's just freshly getting in town, but to see from the mayor of Hammond, the governor,
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, a representate representatives, the portage portage in Yankee even saying, hey, whatever Gary's mayor kind of like, I'm happy, but I'm not as happy because they're not coming of Gary, which it was like they were coming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: come on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't do more responding is Des Moines passing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there a push in a filter right now?
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's shots being fired from Des Moines.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think in the episode that we have discussing this, I mentioned Hammond being the spot that made the most sense because again, where I live at and where I went to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for anybody that doesn't know, I went to St. Francis DCL's high school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's on the hudgeon in first and you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would take a side road and drive to what later become horse you could see no around that time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I would get gas, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had the family car high school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody was driving.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was my car.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And my grandma would be like, here, go get some gas and at one point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is how old I am.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But this was gas was on a sale too, because it was hard in this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was one point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was a kid at high school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was buying gas for 83 cents.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that sounds like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know it sounds like the 60s, but I don't know what America was doing in the mid-90s, but we were flush for a blip with cheap gas, particularly in Indiana.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You were doing what the bears are trying to do, and that's a void-plank hook, a void-plank hook, a void-plank hook, a void-plank hook, a void-plank hook, a void-plank hook, a void-plank hook, a void-plank hook, a void-plank hook, a void-plank hook, a void-plank hook, a void-plank hook, a void-plank hook, a void-plank hook, a void-plank hook, a void-plank hook, a void-plank hook, a void-plank hook, a void-plank hook, a void-plank hook, a void-plank hook, a void-plank hook, a void-plank hook, a void-plank
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[SPEAKER_00]: That seemed from Zulander where the models have the gasoline and they're playing it throwing it in the air So I was up in Frappuccino right I was a kid in high school who shouldn't care about gas prices as much But I was even it made the gas was under a dollar and I wanted to just I was like, oh my god, gas is under a
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm a kid and I'm like, this is crazy, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was gas under a dollar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the point being, and I grew up on the east side, even though my parents split my mom moving to every unconceivable hood in Chicago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But point being, from being where I lived, it would only take me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 15 minutes to get to school, maybe 13 is if I'm pushing it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I live right next to a South Chicago right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can get to Hammond in the heart, seven minutes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, like a heart, because once you get past South Chicago and you go up, you basically just didn't know Indianapolis and it's seven blocks and you're in Indiana, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's right on the lake.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, again, I don't know if I know that right now, seeing everyone from reported.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm watching the episode of, uh, Layla, Rahimi, uh, Marshu and Grody, and they have on, uh, former partner, both of us out of them hoax on there, um, talking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't get to see this episode, but saying that, that's not necessarily the complete, but saying that they're so far down the line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And one of the things Alex, and you can go into this further, no, we found out was at the
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[SPEAKER_00]: had a meeting with Eleanor's representatives on this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And basically pulled out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And next thing you know, Hannah said, we bring it all to heat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got 24 votes, 24 to zip.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it seems as if Eleanor and Chicago are doing Eleanor and Chicago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So my coworkers have to explain to them how dysfunctional and corrupt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, this state and city has been because everyone has to have their hand in the pocket now and saying this I know and I think to a degree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Governor Prisker is trying to not have taxpayers been over a barrel, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: She should typically typically taxpayers lose when a when a NFL stadium is built typically the taxpayers lose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think what J.B. Prisker is trying to do I'm going to be I'm going to give him the gracious side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's just trying to protect Illinois taxpayers honestly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... indiana that there's almost certainly going to be paid a lot of more if this happens now it's interesting you said fed a company i i said no i said it's not a fed a complex it's okay right yes i think it's for the company okay i'm sorry i think it's far from a fed a company and let's talk about the the meeting that was cancelled first of all
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[SPEAKER_01]: The meeting was postponed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There will still be a meeting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There will still be a meeting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's the bears trying to, in my opinion, continue to drum up public concern.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you read J.B. Pritzker's statement that has been widely reported, basically saying like, hey, like talks have been going great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We largely agree on all of the big stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now we're getting into the nitty gritty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... he said there had been three hours in meetings making great progress and they were expected to continue hammering out those details when the bear say hey can you let's just chillin and tweak this bill a little bit a bill that pritzker said we we thought we were going to pass this bill we thought we're going to pass whatever illinois bill the version there they're putting together we feel good about that bill it's the bears who say hey we tweaked a few things in chill and in my mind it is so that
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[SPEAKER_01]: This Indiana bill has more of a news cycle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This Indiana bill has more of a chance to circulate on Reddit, circulate on sports radio, get people fired up to continue to turn up that fire on Illinois politicians so that whatever these little tiny details are, maybe the bears can swing it their way in their negotiation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it is far from a fate of complete as you said.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I miss her and I'm sorry about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what happened, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, as you said, this bill passed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was unanimous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It creates this sporting,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It creates a sporting bureaucracy, bureaucratic thing that will allow the state of Indiana to build this stadium, and they will lease that stadium to the Bears according to Marianne Hurn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's for around 35 years with 40 years of bonds, 40 years of bonds, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then what's that is all up?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The bears will have the option to buy it from the state of Indiana.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a least to own situation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The bears, according to reporting, are have committed $2 billion if they're own money and they're asking for $1 billion of Indiana public money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's probably going to be more because $3 billion probably ain't going to get that stadium built.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For example, the few years ago when the Arlington Heights stuff was coming out, that project I believe was around $5 billion, so that's a
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's up and see we're quick though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me say this and please I let you continue to rock.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's also remember that going through Indiana.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to have to go through some of the red tape like the unions and everybody else that has to have their hands in the pocket.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's some of those some of those.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of those costs may come down, but I'm still rocker, which you please continue to believe in bucks is still two billion bucks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's like that's a massive discrepancy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Kevin Warren calls this the biggest, most significant step forward in the stadium.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yes, but this was an obvious step forward.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was no way that this bill was going to fail.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The pheta company was this bill as soon as people started talking about this bill, the pheta company was the bill was going to pass so to me this doesn't really move the needle that much everybody on planet earth knew that this bill was going to pass through Indiana legislature right that is not a big surprise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I also am pretty confident that whenever the Illinois bill gets done, that'll also pass, you know, like by the time the bill has been worked on and talked about by both sides by the bears and Illinois lawmakers after they hash everything out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, passing it is the secondary thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, it's the Illinois bill.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll also probably pass.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So to me, that doesn't move the needle too much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Kevin Warren even leaves and out by saying, yeah, this is a huge step forward, but we still got to do the necessary due diligence on the rest of the site plan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we still got to, you know, saying we still got to do this due diligence leaves the door wide open.
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[SPEAKER_01]: for that postponed meeting to go really, really well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And for the Illinois politicians to come to the plate and for them to get their property tax freeze, maybe that they're still looking for, and still have never been able to get that they haven't been able to get that property tax freeze.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it gives Illinois politicians still a window to count out to the bears a little bit, or for the bears, and Illinois politicians to get closer together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know words are words.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Was this a step forward, of course, is this a huge massive significant step forward?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't know, man, this pill was always going to pass.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I think this is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a huge step.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now if you ask me where I was going to bank on the bear's playing, wouldn't building their new stadium, I was still, because I don't gamble like that, put my safe money on our limits of heights, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it wouldn't be a 30, 70s type of split.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think one thing that we've seen is that Indiana is really looking at, we can,
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[SPEAKER_00]: separate the bears from the state Illinois and what it could mean for them to have two NFL our teams within their state also I want to bring up this and I haven't heard anybody speak about this
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned Horseshucasino, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Horseshucasino is basically the south side of Casino to a degree, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, it's Chicago land.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because also, this is another thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's far as the greater land, greater Chicago land area, without a doubt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And but as far as proximity to Chicago, heaven is a lot closer than our answer to that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, all right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, without a doubt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, like it's in and in me and Alex and I talked about one thing Indiana has done they have fixed like if you go to go over to Indiana from the southways and you see how much they've done with the expressways over there to last decade like you fly in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: right like you like it's they're on it doesn't take as long as it takes here we express like just open up a week ago here i'm joking but you get what i'm trying to say as far as everything in the loop all right um i the fear for me if i'm if i'm a person of what's in the remain in this chicago land i mean in in elanoatious inch in elanoat is that in the end of the world just keep acquiescing to what the bears ask for
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[SPEAKER_00]: right, right, and that's where how far are because at some point for the bears is financially what really makes sense also okay bears fans are going to still come like let's let's let's be honest this is um eight to nine games per season depending on how many home games you get in unbalanced schedule right
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be filled.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be, even if the tickets, even the bear is a bad, the tickets are sold.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, it's just the concessions of love.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not as hot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not getting as much as the concessions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said this the last episode, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the PCLs are sold, all right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The PSLs are sold.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The PSLs are sold.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the personal seeding license is already, how they double hit you years back without one was always a fan dango.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the thing is still, it's just think about this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I will always bring this up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the only place to gamble.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, like, if you wanted to go hit the slots and Alex just sent me a picture of him and is wonderful son hitting the slots in the Bahamas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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[SPEAKER_00]: long before, as far as we've been coming over at the gamble, we've been going to concerts over there, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But primarily the gamble, which N.A.
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[SPEAKER_00]: laughs smoking in there, which is terrible for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I want to see Pylabel, I had to walk through the casino and almost die.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it was, it helped me for real.
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[SPEAKER_00]: With the choking, it was like, this is, this is crazy, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, that's just me winding it of first world problems.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This gives them another opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, for instance, now that we have a casino downtown, we have a casino out and creep, you know, saying you have the casino at four wins, taking money away from Indiana, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This feels another opportunity not just having the bears, but having those bears fans and the amount of money it brings to that sick and casino.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying to that, it's like this, this could be huge for Indiana is what I'm trying to get to Alex as far as why bending over backwards, like it's think about it, if bears are still going to be able to bear kingdom, you know what I'm saying and also now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This makes it easier and they're not to say that it was going to be that far because it's just 20 minutes from Michigan, but now you can start grabbing some fans that are on that that western side of Michigan, you know what I'm saying that may not be, I mean, they should be Lions fans, but may not be, you know, saying Lions fans, you
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[SPEAKER_01]: could start now grabbing some of those fans from getting closer to central Indiana, you know, because the Northwest Indiana bears fans who would have never bought a PSL right for the Arlington Heights thing are now implated by a PSL.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A personal seat license is what this means by the way we're doing a little inside baseball jargon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So basically what how the team will furnish
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[SPEAKER_01]: or do a lot of fundraising, they sell personal seat licenses, PSLs, where it's basically, you spend an absorbent amount of money out front, tens of thousands of dollars.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then that is your seat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You basically have the right to buy the season tickets.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You still got to buy the season tickets.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's your seat forever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's your seat as long as the stadium exists, until 35 years when the thing is up and they're like, actually, we got to buy a new stadium.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Actually stuff for the new stadium in another 30.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not going to be done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You, you have the like that's your seat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You still have to buy the season tickets, but it's your seat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now what's interesting is I have spoken to one PSL.
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[SPEAKER_01]: owner, who is from the North Shore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you brought some of the South Shore perspective.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I spoke to one PSL owner, and the North Shore basically said, yeah, if they moved into India, it's 0% chance that I'm that I'm renewing that PSL.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But as you said, the door opens for other fans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the best going to have any issue moving PSLs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That person is not going to give up with where to see the thing is this is the way to sleep for the bears with the potential.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What have we been talking about this whole season?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The door being open for the bears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you've been paying to see bad bears football, you're not going to give up this thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were adamant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were adamant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were like, you know, instead of buying a PSL, I will, and because the way they put it was, it takes me so long to get the soldier field as it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're attacking on another, you're attacking on another.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not to want us to be honest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bears game day, and ain't going to be 20 minutes, and ain't going to be 20 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bears game day and I do believe this to be true, but I think it's true of our LinkedIn heights as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the traffic is in wash.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The traffic to Arlington heights on a bears game day is going to be brutal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously they're going to do infrastructure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to early.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's they're going to add more interest in days.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This that traffic that traffic to soldier field ain't like the traffic on Lakeshore Drive every other day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It gets crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So basically
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[SPEAKER_01]: all told in and out, you're probably adding an hour maybe two to my commute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were fully out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they said, maybe I will spend a ton of money to go to one game a year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll pick one game a year that I really, really want to go to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm, but I'm, I pressed a little bit like for like, come on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That, that, that, that, you did it the whole day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Adam, not buying a PSL.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If it is in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In the end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, this is just one person, one anecdote.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have to wait, I have to wait and see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, this could be just nonsense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking because this is just a play for leverage for Alex and Heights, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I still bought it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think to me this and again, it's the rich getting richer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this also still stays to why the bears should be in Chicago, to be honest with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's, you know, I want to say this too while we're having this discussion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that when was the Montgomery Ward a Woolworth, whoever made sure that we couldn't save the lake for it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can't remember.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for Montgomery Ward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but we're correct me in the chat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When friends of the park sabotage the Lucas Museum, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The movie Museum.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think just because the lake front was safe, doesn't mean that it wasn't safe for us to add additions in the future.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think, I mean, even if you look at it over the last 15 years, how they went back to using the natural flora and fauna, like the inferences where I grow up on the south side, like there's the natural grasses that actually used to grow there compared to when I was a kid, they weren't there or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and if you can see that all along the lakefront, um, I think you too also can add that for instance, no one's using, um, that these some calmer place or whatever, where the air crown theater, what how much money is that gentleman like to be honest with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It probably needs to go if I'm being honest with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's not that auto show hasn't been there since I was a kid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The McCormick places that are the McCormick place heading over more west or I don't know if that's south enough how they describe which McCormick building is the building but the white building compared to the old black building, they don't use that black building that's next to soldier feels parking lot anywhere like it was once back in the day as in a bit center as far as what I know, I could be wrong, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why is that just sitting there, you know, I'm saying like it's like there's spaces that we don't have to now say, okay, we're going to take this and just use it for billionaires, but we can say, hey, this is a space is not doing anything, why don't we do something else with it, why don't we do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: redeveloped, think about traffic, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, right here we have where Lakeshore Drive in 55 connect, how can we better use this and to get people to the kit, like it's time to expand our thought because most of the jobs, if this place is going to be a place that is used, not just in the
20:09
[SPEAKER_00]: to pass Christmas time and we're going to be using this place.
20:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I know they use a bit of soldier field in the summertime for different stuff.
20:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you get what I'm trying to say where during those winter months is going to be used for final fours, for other things.
20:22
[SPEAKER_00]: That should be here in the city in my opinion.
20:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I think that's what everyone.
20:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I know Kevin Warren and the people that dislike Kevin Warren.
20:32
[SPEAKER_00]: But I got that part to it because your friend talking about PSLs, we wouldn't be having a discussion.
20:38
[SPEAKER_00]: People that already go to Bears Games will still be like, okay, that's where I've been going.
20:44
[SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna make it nicer?
20:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay, if it's 90 minutes for me to get out, you can cut it to maybe it's 50.
20:49
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
20:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Or like, it makes sense to me where everyone is fighting, particularly Indiana for this because of what it can mean for them.
20:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Why aren't we where I didn't understand is we're going to we've had the ballies casino that some that should have been in play to go these things should have been connected you know I'm saying this like it it does it makes sense in Illinois what we can't have foresight
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[SPEAKER_00]: and to, okay, the bears are going to want to do something different.
21:20
[SPEAKER_00]: How can that benefit us?
21:21
[SPEAKER_00]: We need to have gambling here in the city.
21:24
[SPEAKER_00]: How can we do that?
21:25
[SPEAKER_00]: We can have to take this microrease area.
21:27
[SPEAKER_00]: That could be part of it where the gambling is at.
21:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Within, you could have access to come over here and they're connected in some fashion as faster.
21:35
[SPEAKER_00]: You could have the cart.
21:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it doesn't make sense.
21:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Microreases been sitting abandoned since more knows when.
21:45
[SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was, and daily was going to use the part of the reason is empty because daily was going to use it for the Olympics and then when they get to Lyphus, he's scadado.
21:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's been left like that since Lord knows what.
21:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're right.
21:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's narrow.
21:58
[SPEAKER_00]: But my point being is that we should still use the soldier field area on the museum camp.
22:05
[SPEAKER_00]: But it should be can these things should be connected like do we are was that was two if it's a go that was what Kevin Warren pitch to pivot to go remember when they first set their sights back on the city that was the idea it should It also mesh transit we should be using met the metrics right there hey
22:25
[SPEAKER_00]: These are game day trains.
22:27
[SPEAKER_00]: The game day trains are coming.
22:29
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to leave yourself, but you could go park at that metro.
22:32
[SPEAKER_00]: We got game trains coming from right.
22:34
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, dog, it's 2026.
22:37
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
22:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, these things can be, can be worth.
22:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, it's not like the bears are playing in a schedule.
22:44
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't notice coming.
22:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what, what, when they ban the moral, it's not no.
22:48
[SPEAKER_00]: We know when these games are taking place and we can organize as a county, right, of region, how traffic patterns should be going to enhance these things.
23:00
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's maddening that, that lake shot, which will be now in Hammond, jokes.
23:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right, right, come right over the gas when they burn and build the gas crude oil right there right over in him and I'm joking, but yeah, it's to me that that's frustrating, but I'm with you.
23:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I still believe Hammond will I'm not him and aren't the heights will still be the site, but then again, my thing will be where if the bears are bad, how much business are you going to chin up in the future out there.
23:32
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to remember, this is also coming off of the heels of the disastrous 2002 renovation deal.
23:38
[SPEAKER_01]: But the city is still underwater from like the financing deal for that renovation did not work out.
23:48
[SPEAKER_01]: They've had shortcomings, right?
23:50
[SPEAKER_01]: The revenue has not met the projections.
23:55
[SPEAKER_01]: So there is some of that
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[SPEAKER_01]: history.
23:59
[SPEAKER_01]: That is important to contextualize for this as well.
24:02
[SPEAKER_01]: It were you imagine some city lawmakers like that last deal in 2000 whatever was a bad deal for the city of Chicago.
24:12
[SPEAKER_01]: So like, you know, there's a little given take there where they got to make sure that doesn't happen again.
24:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me jump in now.
24:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me jump in with this to me.
24:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is an issue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the engineers, the architectures, the architectures, affirms the design.
24:26
[SPEAKER_00]: You made a stadium smaller than what it was, right?
24:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Reducing the chance, you didn't dome it.
24:32
[SPEAKER_00]: You, what, how can you take something and not know where you had to stop before you lost landmark status outside the pillars, right?
24:42
[SPEAKER_00]: So like that lets like Alex everything you're saying is right, but they it wasn't being done at all and right in the first place, you know what I'm saying like it there was no again getting back to I just there was no foresight in that right it was like hey we're going to kind of redo it instead of you know what.
25:00
[SPEAKER_00]: If we have to spend a season in the half in champagne or a banner, let's really do this so we don't have and we can one get all our money, let's make this to where, because now it's funny back then it was a bearous weather right now, so we don't care about bears weather right when that should have been the thought back then because.
25:18
[SPEAKER_00]: to your point how was the city going to recoup if you can't use the place in the winter time out if it's not a sport in a bit where people don't care about freezing the asses all right.
25:28
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't have your nice concerts.
25:29
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't have your nice concerts.
25:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, I'm going to see Taylor Swift in this 30 below.
25:33
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm not.
25:35
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, unless I got a she's only playing for the
25:42
[SPEAKER_00]: It's frustrating that things don't work easily, and it doesn't benefit its constituents as easy as it should, but that's not just a state problem, that's America problem.
25:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, understatement of the century.
25:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Understatement of the degree, Mr. Davis.
26:03
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, we went over a lot.
26:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I still think bottom line, I think calling it, again, just underline this, calling this a major step forward, huge progress.
26:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's over selling it a little bit, just because like, we all knew this bill was coming.
26:19
[SPEAKER_01]: We all knew this bill was passing.
26:21
[SPEAKER_01]: We all know Illinois has legislation of their own that they're cooking up and you have to imagine when the bears and Illinois meet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: they will continue to make progress.
26:33
[SPEAKER_01]: This is far from a done deal.
26:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I've seen all the memes, all the everything about like, you got to, you got to change the words, the bear balance Chicago bears, you're the bright and joy of Indiana.
26:45
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not there yet.
26:48
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not there yet.
26:49
[SPEAKER_00]: It's still be the pride of your island, but also Alex just in case.
26:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you need to come over here and we need to go over to Hammond and these places in Ishikago and start looking at some of the places that we're going to buy up some of the land.
27:07
[SPEAKER_01]: because they don't need to build a casino because there's plenty of things that they could build the restaurants here's where they don't know.
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27:28
[SPEAKER_01]: To me, that's a sticking point as well.
27:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Why would you lease to own in 35 years when your stadium's gonna be obsolete?
27:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
27:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Why would you buy a stadium 35 years after it's built?
27:38
[SPEAKER_01]: When it's gonna be ready for the new stadium.
27:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Time for the new stadium.
27:41
[SPEAKER_00]: That's when you get home.
27:42
[SPEAKER_00]: That's when you get home.
27:43
[SPEAKER_00]: That's when George McCaskey to a throw those Arlington Heights back out there like they told us pop a bear Hallace man who every 40 years the house is talking about it again.
27:54
[SPEAKER_00]: It's how they bought it at least Arlington we got the Arlington Heights land if you don't want to give us the stuff right?
28:00
[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna knock down whatever we built there and now it's finally time.
28:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just don't know.
28:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still a little skeptical.
28:07
[SPEAKER_00]: But maybe, and again, the in hindsight being 2020, you build a place that as far as how structurally built it's easier to renovate, like you plan it out.
28:20
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, what something new would look like, right?
28:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, okay, do we need more space here?
28:25
[SPEAKER_00]: We need to change this into something else and like you it doesn't like for instance I know the chiefs are leaving arrowhead but look at the things that arrowhead to how they But just that these old stadiums throughout the years to like there's things and again I'm not taking away from everything that you're saying it I think again Of course they're gonna be like whatever McCaskey that owns it's gonna be doing the same dance
28:47
[SPEAKER_01]: then Michael was doing it daily was like I'm not talking to you no more you better bring another McCaskey here you know what I'm saying the last time Indiana was brand the same deal had the kind of the same deal that's going on here where they had this legislative body like the stadium thing stadium bureaucratic thing that the chiefs in the Royals went in on together and the chiefs in the Royals are kind of like out
29:15
[SPEAKER_01]: else now they went in together and now they're kind of like out together.
29:18
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's interesting the parallels there just because you mentioned the chiefs.
29:23
[SPEAKER_01]: One more thing that I forgot to mention that is I think worth mentioning as we tack on the tail end here.
29:28
[SPEAKER_01]: According to Mary Ann Ahern, former friend over at five.
29:35
[SPEAKER_01]: The bears will be responsible for paying the repairs and paying the operational costs at the Indiana stadium.
29:44
[SPEAKER_01]: So they would be in charge of the upkeep.
29:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if that comes with a bit of control.
29:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember last episode we were talking about who yes, no, of course.
29:59
[SPEAKER_01]: If they are paying for the repairs, if they are paying for the operational costs, I do wonder if that gives them a little bit more operational control as well of that stadium.
30:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Alex, they're not going to have that stadium built to where they have to negotiate with Hammond Indiana or what goes on inside.
30:17
[SPEAKER_00]: No, of course, of course, of course.
30:18
[SPEAKER_00]: But these are these are a little difficult matter.
30:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're right, you're right, but it's going to be do as I say.
30:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, like, it's like, you're not going to, this is not, it's not going to be what they have here.
30:29
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so difficult.
30:29
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be basically like Jerry Jerry, Jerry Jones, where it's Jerry
30:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Like most stadiums, the owner technically doesn't own it, and also it benefits them tax-wise to where they do own it, right?
30:48
[SPEAKER_00]: They make the money, they decide what's going on in there.
30:51
[SPEAKER_00]: So they have control over it.
30:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And the same thing, think about it.
30:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if they built it in the arts, arts and heights, they would have to pay for the stuff that was going on in them themselves, anyway.
30:59
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's one of those things where it's like, as long as we have control.
31:02
[SPEAKER_00]: So we don't have to worry about Friday night lights, messing the grass up before a damn, it's football game, right?
31:09
[SPEAKER_00]: That, you know, it was a damn tournament played on there and then we got a game the next day and it was alone two days before.
31:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, right?
31:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, so we can ensure that our players are playing on a good surface.
31:21
[SPEAKER_00]: So again, it'd be interesting here on the Winni City podcast.
31:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, we're gonna chime in and give you our two cents.
31:28
[SPEAKER_00]: about what takes place.
31:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say this too.
31:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we all have our favorite places.
31:34
[SPEAKER_00]: We want them to play due to proximity and there's nothing wrong with how you feel about it.
31:38
[SPEAKER_00]: But when push comes the shove, we don't make this call and this is tin, even though we care about it, we don't own.
31:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes getting your panties in a bunch about something that you have no control over is really a waste of time on the be honest with you now we love that you come over here for content because you're panties are in a bunch, but I just want sometimes people we get so upset about stuff and it's like do you that's not even yours so what are you getting that upset about but I wish you got anything to have before we get about here no sir.
32:07
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, everybody, who we appreciate if Alex Shapiro and Ken of Davis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Next up, we're gonna talk about some thoughts about proposed trades with bears, draft picks, for a player that's been connected to the beloved for at least a season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, when you see the podcast, we'll see you soon.