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We Get To Do This - The Uncomfortable Truth · WGKM

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  Father, we honor you today as we come before
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  you as sons, excited about what you have for
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  us, what you've put before us. So Lord, we consecrate
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  our conversation to you. We ask that you touch
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  it, that you anoint it, and that Lord, you breathe
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  on what we're doing here today because our heart
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  is to help people. It's to honor you first and
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  help people second. So Lord, for our friends
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  and our new friends that will be listening to
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  this podcast, would you bless them today? Would
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  you encourage them today? And Father, we always
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  say this and we mean it from the bottom of our
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  heart. We get to do this in Jesus' name. Amen.
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  Amen. It's Wednesday, October 7th, 2026. We get
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  to do this. This is episode number 53. We get
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  to do this. Well, hallelujah, believers and Christ
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  curious. Okay, you caught me off guard. All across
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  Get To Nation. Hallelujah. The doers are here.
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  I'm trying to think, you know, what can we say?
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  And he goes, good morning, good afternoon. How
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  about hallelujah? I'm channeling my Tommy Hayes
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  here. Hallelujah. Oh man, yeah. You got to get
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  your hand up in the air. There's something about
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  it though, because I was recording here with
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  Jonah last night for Young and Faithful, new
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  episode. Find it on the Godcaster or Bridge Radio.
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  and I'm walking by, Tommy has his class. I love
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  our church because there's always somebody here,
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  something going on, and I'm walking by and all
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  I hear is, hallelujah. I'm like, yeah, there's
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  Tommy. That's our boy. I love him. He's fantastic.
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  He's an elder now. Yeah, we made him an elder
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  of the church. We meet once a month as elders
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  to pray for the church and pray for our city,
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  pray for revival. I mean, that's our heart. This
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  is the first time in my professional church career,
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  where I've had elders where our primary purpose
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  was to pray and to seek God's face. Because I
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  didn't get a bunch of businessmen doing it. I
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  was going to say your previous experiences might
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  have been, here's how you got to run the church,
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  here's how you got to run the business. Yeah,
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  yeah, it's always that. But that's what we have
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  a board of directors for and it works out great
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  and beautifully. So we handle all that on that
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  level. But I just love being able to get together
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  with these men. to pray, seek God's face, and
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  pray for revival. Nice. Yeah. Hallelujah! Tommy's
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  one of those, and he always says, hallelujah.
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  He gets excited. He does. My grandfather used
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  to do that a lot. Oh, did he? Sometimes he'd
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  just go, yahoo! He'd just cut it off, hallelujah
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  down to, yahoo, yahoo! Wow. So we've been getting
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  a lot of feedback on the substack wgtdt .com,
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  which takes you right there. A lot of emails,
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  adam at wgtdt .com, psjimmy at wgtdt .com. And
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  just some feedback on the AI chat bot stuff that
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  people have been sending because I have two opposing
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  emails, which I wanted to share. The first one
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  is from, let me see, this is from Shelly. And
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  she says, I want to send you a note about Muse.
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  And I've gotten a lot of these people saying,
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  oh wow, this is kind of interesting. This is
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  different from what I thought AI would be. I'm
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  a homeschooling mom and a theater teacher. I
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  also run a very small business building props
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  and puppets for other theaters. All of my work
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  is very hands -on and I hate admin work. After
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  listening to you bang the AI drum, I decided
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  to check out Muse. As a homeschool mom, I uploaded
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  digital copies of physical curriculum, ordered
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  my bot, thank you, to find the other stuff online
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  and set up my kids homeschooling assignments
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  for the week. That normally takes me about three
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  hours. Bam, three hours back in the bank. Nice.
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  Took it a step further, asked it to find some
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  more in -depth activities and voila, it spat
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  out near perfect spreadsheets with exactly what
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  I asked for because this is a robot you command.
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  It's not your buddy, it's not your chat bot,
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  it's not your friend. It's not your spiritual
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  advisor. Thank you. In my prop business, I've
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  been stalled for about a year because digitizing
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  the patterns that I've made is tedious and Adobe
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  is a pain in the butt. Tell me about it. I laid
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  out the pieces on a mat and within 20 minutes,
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  Muse had put together a mostly correct pattern
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  package so that it's sellable. Even better, it
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  also created a program like Adobe that allows
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  me to edit any of its work on these patterns.
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  It's a game changer and the software building
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  component is particularly interesting on so many
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  levels. So this is the main difference between
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  a chat bot and something like Muse or Grok bot
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  is it has its own computer which is Well, technically
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  not yours. It's owned by somebody else. So there's
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  a downside risk always But I think that will
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  change in the future And it can indeed create
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  software programs for you to actually make you
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  know to do things. So it turns I call it the
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  dream build loop. You know, it tightens that
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  so you can dream up something and then you can
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  make it. So I just love hearing that. And I've
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  gotten a lot of this from people saying, you
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  know, I was really confused, worried about it
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  going to kill me, going to make me kill myself.
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  I mean, this is all the stuff that we've heard.
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  Now, conversely, I got a note from Bill. He says,
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  no, you're much more tech savvy and most likely
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  more intelligent than I am. Thank you. I wouldn't
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  say that. You're a professing Christian and I'm
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  a professing born -again Christian. I mean, isn't
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  that kind of the same? I mean, I was born again,
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  so I'm not going to nitpick over it. I see data
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  centers as a groundwork or mainframe software
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  or hardware. You know more about systems terminology
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  than I do. The Holy Spirit is leading me to see
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  data centers as a necessary component for the
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  one world beast system. digital currency, reference
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  in Revelation 13, 16, 17, and 18. I'm curious
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  if your thoughts about the coming beast system
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  linked in any way to this insatiable desire for
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  data centers. I don't believe data centers are
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  for chat bots or any publicly stated purpose.
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  I apologize if this note is convoluted. Just
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  wanted to say hi. Thank you for the many months
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  and obviously I will gather my thoughts about
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  brevity warmly. Your brother in Christ, Bill.
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  We talked about this, I think on the last show,
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  or the show before, about the pending doom. And
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  I encourage people to go back and listen to that,
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  because the first thing is, you don't really
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  have to be afraid of any of it, right? I mean,
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  what are we afraid of? I mean, have you watched
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  the Chinese Olympics with the robots? I mean,
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  that right there takes the fear right away from
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  me. I mean, it's hilarious. But seriously, I'm
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  joking, but I'm just being lighthearted, but
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  I have no fear. I mean, there is no fear. I see
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  how prophecy lays out the end times, the last
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  days, which we may be. We're closer than we were
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  yesterday. For sure. But as far as seeing AI
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  as a part of the great rebellion or whatever,
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  the great delusion, all that. The jury's out
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  for me. I'm not going to postulate on that because
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  I am Very focused on what's in front of me. Yes,
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  like who can I share the gospel with today and
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  If we're in the last of the last days, you're
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  gonna find me wondering Who can I share with
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  the gospel with today? Yeah, I'm gonna be working
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  until it's time to go But I'm not gonna overthink
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  in terms of new technologies. You know the church
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  in general This is a very broad stroke statement,
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  has always been fearful of new tech. Every time
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  something comes out, every time there's an advancement.
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  The internet, that was seen as a satan incarnate.
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  It's the Antichrist. Yeah, the Antichrist is
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  here. You know, the Antichrist is now Islam.
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  No, wait, it's China. No, wait, it's North Korea.
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  I mean, no way. What do you mean? It's Hillary
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  Clinton, man. Yeah, I mean, so, and I'm not disparaging
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  what Bill's saying. I mean, I know he's pouring
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  his heart into that. He's feeling led that way.
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  But as far as fear goes and being spun up about
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  this could be the great beast deceiver, I don't
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  see it, but that's just me. I'm one opinion in
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  a million, so billions. Yeah, but I think that
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  that's the right attitude. It's like, it's coming
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  no matter what, no matter what form. It's not
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  like we can stop it. I think people have this
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  idea, I got to not use it because then I can
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  stop it from happening. Right, right. That's
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  what I feel. And that's not going to happen.
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  It's here. It's not going away. It's kind of
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  like the web when it came out, you know, when
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  it came online, what, early 90s? Yeah. Yeah.
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  I mean, all of a sudden it was like, oh, this
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  is exciting. Oh no, this is awful. You know what
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  I mean? It's like aspirin, it's medicine, it's
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  a gun. I mean, those can be used for good or
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  bad, protect or kill. So I see this as the same
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  way. It is a tool and I'm excited about it. Not
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  because I think it's a thing, a person or it's
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  personified. I just think it's a good tool to
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  save time. And there's very few things that have
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  come forward in the technology world that actually
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  save time. If anything, they take more time.
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  Oh, yeah. No, they totally. Being one. It steals
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  time. Yeah, yeah. The dark, the dark hole. But
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  so I see it as. As long as you're using the tool
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  and the tool's not using you, and that takes
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  ongoing discernment, but that takes ongoing discernment
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  with anything. Driving a car. Protein shakes.
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  I mean, come on. You use discernment no matter
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  what and for what. If it will help people with
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  things that are repetitive, you know, actions,
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  repetitive things that they do that are time,
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  you know, they just eat up all your time and
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  you can automate that, I think that's actually
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  a very good thing. And just on the data centers,
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  just to explain, I mean, people probably have
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  never been inside a data center or they've seen
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  pictures that look really intimidating. But just
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  to give you an idea, if you're using Muse, but
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  even if you're using Chad GPT, there's at least
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  one computer, a virtual computer being run for
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  you in that data center. The actual, the model,
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  as they call it, the large language model that
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  Runs the queries that that little computer that
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  you're using That could be like a hundred times
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  or maybe even a thousand times your computer
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  at home So now of course these sizes are much
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  different But you can already start to imagine
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  how much space that takes up how much energy
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  that requires Which you know data centers will
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  and should be providing that for themselves or
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  at least paying for it So it's not like it's
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  a big, you know devil in there filled with all
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  of your information. That's already in another
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  data center. It's been there for 10 years. It's
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  called iCloud. It's called X. It's called Instagram.
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  It's called Facebook. It just looks like a big
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  scary box, but they've been in our lives for
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  me. I told you I built my first one in 2002.
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  Well, one of our guys here in our church has
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  been working for a company that does this for
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  15 years. This is like no big deal to him. He's
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  like, why is this all of a sudden a thing? Midterms.
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  We need bells in here. We need bells. We need
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  a snare drum and a hi -hat. So I was on an airplane
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  two weeks ago, coming back from Nashville. And
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  I thought to myself, huh, I should be able to
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  use Grok on an airplane because it's not using
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  my computer. This is not my processing. Boom,
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  I was doing research and finding, I blew me away.
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  You know, this is where you have a aha moment.
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  It kind of sounds silly, but I'm on an airplane
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  and I'm getting processing speed, just light
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  year speed. right there in my hand on an airplane,
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  flying in a tube in the air. It's a flying seat.
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  It's mind -bending. Because I know I've said
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  something. I always joke with you saying all
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  your bots are like burning up. They're humming.
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  They're making noise. People are mad. They're
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  picketing. But now you're seeing it yourself.
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  The power of it. Everyone I talk to, I got 10
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  hours back. When people start talking like that,
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  I get time back. My only question is, Are you
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  filling that up with more work? That's good stuff.
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  There you go. So what are you doing with that
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  other time? And I actually am about to go and
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  ask Pastor Russ if I can help with the screen
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  here, because I got time back. Wow. I have time
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  now, and I want to spend that wisely. Interesting
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  how we talk about time as currency, isn't it?
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  I want to spend it. I want to save it. Time is
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  money. Exactly. Well, time is time, I guess.
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  Time is life. So we got some fun things to talk
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  about today, but there's a couple of things in
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  media that I want to help our our doers out there
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  and get to get to nation understand how things
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  work and This is really predicated by Tina and
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  I going back and watching the West Wing From
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  episode one. We're now in the said there's seven
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  season. This is season six and I got hooked on
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  well, first of all It's very tame. There's not
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  a lot of, you know, there's not a lot of graphic
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  stuff. It's about politicking and inside politics.
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  Nothing really new, but the thing that keeps
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  surprising me, now you have to understand the
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  premises. This is a democratic White House. Jed
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  Bartlett played by Martin Sheen. He's the president.
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  Good guy, of course. Only good people around
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  him, but they're shenanigans. The thing that
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  keeps amazing me is he, behind these closed doors,
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  they're talking about and talking the same way
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  President Trump does. Like, we should run for
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  a third term. We've got to bomb Iran because
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  they, you know, and they actually do. I mean,
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  it's all these different things that President
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  Trump says out loud. And of course, media is
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  very different now from when this series started
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  in the early 2000s. But what caught my eye, and
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  there's a thing called pre -programming and media
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  is very influential on how we think and why we
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  think. And it's always done for Well, for two
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  reasons. One, to promote some other entertainment
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  product. So, you know, UFO is an alien. Oh, there's
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  Steven Spielberg with a UFO movie. Noah's Ark.
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  No. Well, I mean, it's used by lots of people
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  for lots of things, but certainly Hollywood has
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  always been very politically motivated. And this
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  is a political show. So this is a play that this
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  is in March 2005. And it is set in the so -called
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  Democratic primaries and Republican primaries
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  of 2006. So now we just had an election in real
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  life in 2004, and it was President Bush against
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  John Kerry. And man, that didn't turn out good
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  for John Kerry. We had the swift boat scandal
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  and all that stuff. And of course, it was a wartime
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  president. But if you recall, At the 2004 Democratic
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  convention, there was a very important speaker.
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  Do you remember who that was? No. Barack Obama,
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  a senator from Chicago who no one had ever seen.
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  Young skinny man, looks like a basketball player.
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  He got the big spot to speak. And of course,
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  four years later, he was elected president. This
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  was a meteoric rise. He didn't actually run for
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  the Senate seat. He was appointed because of
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  a sex scandal with the previous senator. We always
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  looked at him like, hmm, isn't that interesting?
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  Came out of nowhere. How he got in there. So
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  this series, these particular episodes were written
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  by, what's the guy's name, from MSNBC. Let me
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  get this for you. Where is he here? Lawrence
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  O'Donnell. You might have seen him MSNBC's kind
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  of the gruff older guy and he's always, you know,
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  Republicans are no good. So he actually wrote
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  this series and the consultants on this were
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  two political operatives. One of them was David
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  Axelrod, who was the guy who literally managed
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  Obama's presidential run. So now we're in the
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  primary, the democratic primaries for the presidency
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  and there's two candidates. One is played by
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  Alan Alda, and he's Vinick. He's the Republican
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  candidate. And he was supposed, and it even state,
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  the producer said, this is supposed to be McCain,
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  who of course later did run for president. Jimmy
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  Smits, you know him from NYPD Blue. So he's the
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  Democratic. candidate, and he was completely
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  modeled after Barack Obama. So this is already
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  pre -programming for an election coming up in
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  2008. And I'm not going to spoil who wins, but
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  you can kind of imagine how the show goes. So
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  there's this scene. And the scene is with the
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  current Democratic president. He only has two
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  years left. And this is Martin Sheen Bartlett.
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  And Alan Alda comes to visit him as the front
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  runner of the Republican Party. And so now they're
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  just talking, eating some ice cream in the White
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  House kitchen at night. And I just wanted to
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  listen to some of the things that were being
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  pre -programmed into this hit show and millions
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  of people watching it. Whatever happened to separation
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  of church and state? It's hanging in there. But
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  I'm afraid the Constitution doesn't say anything
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  about the separation of church and politics.
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  So already? This is untruthful. Wow. So whatever
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  happened to separation of church and state, as
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  we know, there is no clause of no such thing.
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  And now it's already been turned to from church
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  to religion. Faith never comes up. So this is
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  kind of the premise of where this is going. And
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  President Bartlett, the Democrat, is a Catholic
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  boy. And it's interesting because he's going
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  to mass. You know, things happen. He goes to
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  the church. So he's very faithful, maybe religious,
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  certainly. You're saying that's a good thing?
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  saying it's the way it is, always has been. You
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  think the voter really needs to know if I go
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  to church? This is the Republican who hasn't
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  been to church in six years. And he's asked about
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  it. And he says, well, you know, I got TV interviews
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  on Sunday. So this is a little bit of a bump
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  in his campaign. And so now he's asking, why
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  do people even care about this? This is the Republican.
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  Imagine this, how this is played out 20 years
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  ago. I don't need to know, but then I'm not going
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  to vote for you anyway. It's not up to us to
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  decide what the voters get to use in evaluating
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  us. I don't know how you plan to handle this
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  religious thing in the campaign. Yeah, well,
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  that makes two of us. I could find a way to let
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  it slip. I think a candidate's religion or how
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  often he goes to church is not relevant to choosing
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  a president. So here's a Democrat saying this,
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  okay, but what is the Republican gonna say? You're
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  gonna say that on the way into church? Are you
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  accusing me of politicizing church -going? You've
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  had an awful lot of photo ops on the church steps.
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  I went to mass every Sunday long before I went
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  into politics. I did too. Why didn't you stop?
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  One Christmas my wife gave me a very old edition
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  of the King James Bible. 17th century. It was
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  a real find for a book collector. It was a thrill
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  just to hold it. Then I read it. You can't take
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  it literally. Yeah, well that's what my priest
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  friends kept telling me. You can't take the Bible
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  literally. This is already to me in my eye. I
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  never would have heard this if I had watched
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  it back then. I'm like, okay, okay. But the more
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  I read it, the less I could believe. I could
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  not believe there was a God who said that the
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  penalty for working on the Sabbath was death.
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  I couldn't believe there was a God who said the
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  penalty for adultery was death. I'm more of a
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  New Testament man myself. Wow, break this down
• 20:40
  for me right here because this already like so
• 20:43
  here's the God I got this old King James Bible
• 20:45
  like that doesn't include the New Testament somehow
• 20:47
  and like I could not believe a God who you know
• 20:50
  says the penalty for adultery is death and Then
• 20:54
  Bartlett says I'm more of a New Testament guy
• 20:56
  myself. You can't separate these two. No, can
• 20:58
  you? No, no You have to take the Bible as a whole.
• 21:02
  It's a narrative. It's a story arc and you have
• 21:05
  to take it as a whole The Old Testament is the
• 21:09
  New Testament concealed. The New Testament is
• 21:12
  the Old Testament revealed. So they work with
• 21:16
  each other. In fact, and I agree with this, when
• 21:19
  we had Todd McDowell here, he said, you literally
• 21:24
  cannot really understand a biblical worldview
• 21:27
  from a New Testament perspective if you don't
• 21:31
  know the Old Testament, if you've not studied
• 21:33
  and not not gotten into the history of how things
• 21:36
  happened. Because worldview is not built on a
• 21:39
  paragraph. It's not built in a moment. It's built
• 21:43
  in the cumulative knowledge and understanding
• 21:45
  of a particular situation. And the more understanding
• 21:48
  and knowledge and content you get on a situation,
• 21:50
  you get a better, clearer picture of it, right?
• 21:53
  This is a hard thing for new believers, for anyone
• 21:57
  who hasn't been in the Word for a while, to really...
• 22:00
  kind of grasp what you just said there. Yeah,
• 22:02
  it's a lot because it requires time and it requires
• 22:05
  effort. Most, let's be real, most people in our
• 22:10
  day and time, not all, but most, are biblically
• 22:13
  illiterate. And yet we're asking them to have
• 22:17
  a biblical worldview. Right. So we're going to
• 22:20
  be doing a seven -week series on biblical worldview,
• 22:23
  the pillars of biblical worldview, because we
• 22:25
  realize we're asking people to do something they're
• 22:27
  not ready to do. Yeah, not here, but Bridge Church.
• 22:31
  Bridge Church, not here. Don't panic. We'll talk
• 22:34
  about it. We'll bring it up. But anyway, all
• 22:36
  that is, is because whatever you're studying,
• 22:39
  reading, understanding about history, events
• 22:42
  from the past, they inform your worldview. So
• 22:45
  bringing that to something like what he was talking
• 22:48
  about here, say capital punishment, for example.
• 22:52
  Yeah, we're going to get there. you have to have
• 22:56
  a worldview and an understanding of both old
• 22:58
  and new. So let's clarify that based on this
• 23:01
  statement. You can't just be a New Testament
• 23:04
  Christian. Or just an Old Testament. There's
• 23:06
  no such thing. Yeah. So now, I'm going to skip
• 23:10
  the rest of that. You already get kind of the
• 23:12
  gist. Now, the Republican guy goes out and makes
• 23:15
  a statement about his faith, lack of faith, his
• 23:20
  church going, etc. And this was completely meant
• 23:24
  as programming people's minds about how to choose
• 23:29
  a candidate for president or vice president,
• 23:31
  etc. On the debt ceiling bill, we will pass it
• 23:35
  within the hour and send it to the president
• 23:37
  for his signature before midnight. What about
• 23:39
  the minimum wage amendment? We've agreed to have
• 23:41
  a separate vote on the minimum wage increase
• 23:43
  tomorrow. Is it going to pass? Yes, it will.
• 23:46
  I'll vote for it, and I guarantee you it'll be
• 23:47
  more than enough bipartisan support to pass it.
• 23:50
  Senator, are you going to reconsider Reverend
• 23:52
  Butler's invitation to his church this weekend?
• 23:54
  I fully respect Reverend Butler's position. I
• 23:57
  mean, I appreciate his invitation. And, uh, look,
• 24:02
  I respect Reverend Butler. And I respect his
• 24:04
  church too much to use it for my own political
• 24:06
  purposes. And that's exactly what I'd be doing
• 24:09
  if I went down there this Sunday. Because the
• 24:11
  truth is, it would just be an act of political
• 24:13
  phonings. I may be wrong, but I suspect our churches
• 24:17
  already have enough political phonies in them.
• 24:20
  Senator, do you or do you not? Let's see how
• 24:22
  we can have a separation of church and state
• 24:24
  in this government if you have to pass a religious
• 24:26
  test to get in this government. And I want to
• 24:31
  warn everyone in the press and all the voters
• 24:33
  out there, if you demand expressions of religious
• 24:37
  faith from politicians, you are just begging
• 24:40
  to be lied to. They won't all lie to you, but
• 24:42
  a lot of them will. And it'll be the easiest
• 24:46
  lie they ever had to tell to get your boats Notice
• 24:49
  the music. Oh get your nervous system going.
• 24:52
  Yeah How about that? That is the exact opposite
• 24:56
  of what? Believers should be doing and this is
• 24:59
  being set up like oh if they tell you they're
• 25:02
  men of faith They're lying to you. How about
• 25:04
  that? Yeah. Yeah, I mean this is we've seen this
• 25:07
  play out through the decades. Mm -hmm, you know
• 25:10
  when you hear people talking about their faith,
• 25:12
  like Barack Obama. Really? Are you Christian?
• 25:15
  Really? Are you Muslim? Well, it depends on who
• 25:17
  he's talking to. You could read that both ways.
• 25:23
  This is nothing new, and this is what, 2001?
• 25:26
  2005. 2005. And we're still seeing these things.
• 25:31
  I would say with our current president, He's
• 25:36
  a God -fearer. I'm not sure how deep in he really
• 25:38
  is in terms of the weeds, so to speak. But he
• 25:45
  holds nothing back in terms of allowing platforms
• 25:49
  for Christianity. And he says that he does it
• 25:52
  based on the founding of our nation, that there's
• 25:56
  precedent for this. So that's why he has no problem
• 25:58
  or qualms with it. Whether he's all in or not,
• 26:02
  I think he definitely is. built friendships with
• 26:05
  people who are, and so that's been a huge influence.
• 26:10
  But he's harkening back to our foundations of
• 26:15
  faith. what I hear, was that Alan Alda? I could
• 26:19
  totally recognize his voice. He won an Emmy Award
• 26:22
  for that role, specifically that episode. Interesting,
• 26:25
  interesting. And so interesting too, because
• 26:28
  you get that famous line, the separation of church
• 26:31
  and state, which is not in the Constitution or
• 26:34
  the Bill of Rights or the Declaration of Independence,
• 26:37
  none of that. And it was a complete aberration
• 26:40
  of a letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to the
• 26:43
  Danbury Baptist Association, assuring them, that
• 26:47
  there would be no state -sponsored church, because
• 26:51
  that was the biggest fear. Because that's what
• 26:53
  they ran away from. That's why they came here.
• 26:56
  And so it was actually the very opposite, and
• 26:59
  yet it's been reinterpreted now, the opposite
• 27:02
  of what it was actually meant to say, what it
• 27:05
  said in context. So even hearing him quote that
• 27:08
  with the music in the background and all, everybody,
• 27:10
  oh yeah, yeah, the separation of church and state,
• 27:12
  isn't that in the Constitution or the Bill of
• 27:14
  Rights? Which amendment is that? So, I mean,
• 27:17
  people really think that's in our founding documents,
• 27:20
  and it is not, which is mind -bending how that
• 27:24
  got twisted. And I really bring the pre -programming
• 27:28
  part up because the subversive messaging about
• 27:33
  voting for someone with biblical values is much
• 27:40
  more sophisticated. And in fact, if you look
• 27:42
  at here in Texas, Tallarico, it's all being inverted.
• 27:46
  And it's very sophisticated. And so discernment
• 27:50
  is... In fact, I would say, I don't know if you
• 27:52
  heard Josh Howerton's bonus episode on Tallarico's
• 27:57
  appearance on Jimmy Kimmel. No, I did not. It's
• 28:00
  so good, we couldn't even replicate it. He did
• 28:03
  such a... And we're pretty good. He did such
• 28:06
  a good job of breaking down the lies. This was
• 28:11
  In Your Face. Like, listen, stupid people, if
• 28:14
  you're voting for somebody based upon him going
• 28:16
  to church, he's lying to you. You know, it's
• 28:19
  like, wow, okay, separation of church and state.
• 28:23
  All misinformation. There's no articles about
• 28:27
  it. I don't see any churches complaining about
• 28:30
  it. You had 15 million people watch this show.
• 28:32
  Wow. So politically motivated, here comes the
• 28:36
  capital punishment, which I... pretty much believe
• 28:39
  this will be in debates for the midterms. It's
• 28:42
  being played that way. And this is the Christa
• 28:45
  Pike failed execution. Right. Now this is not
• 28:49
  the October surprise, is it? No, I don't think
• 28:53
  it's the October. Is there something coming?
• 28:55
  Who knows? It's only the 7th of October. Anything
• 28:59
  can still happen. A lot of room. No, but it's
• 29:04
  interesting how the media has taken this story.
• 29:08
  And here's just, this is CNN, I think, with a
• 29:11
  little background on what happened. Krista Pike,
• 29:13
  a woman on death row in Tennessee, survived two
• 29:16
  doses of a lethal injection intended to execute
• 29:19
  her. But the drug used in the failed execution
• 29:21
  has a controversial past. Pentobarbital is a
• 29:25
  sedative that depresses the central nervous system.
• 29:27
  But critics of its use in lethal injections say
• 29:30
  that it can lead to a buildup of fluid in the
• 29:32
  lungs and create a feeling of suffocation. The
• 29:35
  Biden administration raised questions about whether
• 29:37
  Pentobarbital causes, quote, unnecessary pain
• 29:40
  and suffering as a single drug lethal injection.
• 29:43
  Notice already harkening back to the Biden administration's,
• 29:45
  you know, so just just so you know, it's this
• 29:48
  is Republicans, Republicans doing this rescinded
• 29:50
  its use as part of the protocol. In April, Attorney
• 29:53
  General Todd Blanch called Pento -Barbatel, quote,
• 29:56
  the gold standard of lethal injection drugs and
• 29:58
  said the US Department of Justice secured a source
• 30:01
  of it in 2019. And that gets to one of the big
• 30:03
  issues with drugs used for lethal injection.
• 30:06
  Pharmaceutical companies over the past decade
• 30:08
  and a half have largely tried to block their
• 30:10
  products from being used to kill people. So states
• 30:12
  and the federal government have had to seek alternative
• 30:15
  sources, leading experts to question the potency
• 30:18
  and quality of the drugs they acquire. Now, we
• 30:20
  still don't know why Pike survived the execution
• 30:23
  attempt. Some experts have suggested it could
• 30:26
  have been an error in administering the drug.
• 30:28
  And for decades, groups like the American Medical
• 30:30
  Association and American Nurses Association have
• 30:33
  opposed or prohibited members from participating
• 30:36
  in capital punishment, which makes it unclear
• 30:38
  who is involved in administering these lethal
• 30:40
  drugs. The Death Penalty Information Center says
• 30:43
  that one of the main reasons for botched lethal
• 30:45
  injections is an inability to insert an IV. Pike's
• 30:49
  attorneys say they had warned the court that
• 30:51
  Pike already had vein issues. Now they're asking
• 30:54
  Tennessee Governor Bill Lee to commute her sentence.
• 30:57
  Okay. A lot going on here. Yeah, that weird backing
• 31:02
  track. It's all meant to subvert your nervous
• 31:06
  system as you listen to it. It's mysterious.
• 31:09
  So what I'm hearing in this is killing people,
• 31:14
  bad, it's botched, Republicans, the administration.
• 31:20
  So, well, we got the gold standard. Maybe she
• 31:23
  should go free. What I don't hear in any of the
• 31:28
  reports, and this case took place in 1995, do
• 31:32
  you know why she was convicted of murder? That's
• 31:33
  what I want to know, but I haven't heard that
• 31:35
  yet. You have not heard this anywhere, which
• 31:37
  is why I suspect this is going to be a midterm
• 31:40
  issue about death penalty. It's going to come
• 31:42
  right back to, that's why we need to talk about
• 31:43
  capital punishment. You crazy right -wing Christians,
• 31:47
  Christian nationalists, want to kill everybody,
• 31:49
  but yet you don't believe it. What would Jesus
• 31:51
  do? This is all coming down. I can feel it and
• 31:54
  I think we're already hearing it in our own personal
• 31:57
  circles and friends Like well, what do you think
• 31:59
  about this? You know, did God save her? Was she
• 32:03
  is she a witch and she couldn't be killed and
• 32:05
  these are literally the questions Wow So let's
• 32:08
  go back and find out what she did from stories
• 32:11
  from WB IR in 1995 which you will not hear in
• 32:15
  today's reporting other than She killed somebody
• 32:18
  and tortured her. Maybe you didn't even hear
• 32:20
  the torture part Let's listen to the reports
• 32:22
  from this is now, what, 30 years ago. The brutal
• 32:25
  murder of 19 year old Coleen Slemmer created
• 32:27
  fear and speculation among students and staff
• 32:30
  Friday. Knoxville police quickly dispelled any
• 32:33
  myths about the case with a break in their investigation.
• 32:35
  It did not involve a university student. It did
• 32:38
  not occur on the bike trail. It was not a random
• 32:42
  or a stranger to stranger incident. A tip led
• 32:48
  authorities to Knoxville's Job Corps, where 18
• 32:50
  -year -old Krista Pike and 17 -year -old Terrell
• 32:53
  Shipp were arrested around 2 o 'clock Saturday
• 32:55
  morning. Police say the murder suspects were
• 32:58
  close to the victim. The motive of the crime
• 33:00
  appears to be a love triangle. It appears that
• 33:03
  both of the females involved had been involved
• 33:08
  with a 17 -year -old male. Investigators say
• 33:11
  the suspects led their victim to this isolated
• 33:14
  area of campus on the premise they'd smoke marijuana
• 33:16
  together. Instead, she was brutally stabbed and
• 33:19
  beaten. The victim's partially dressed body was
• 33:22
  found in this brushy area Friday morning. An
• 33:25
  autopsy confirmed she was slashed repeatedly
• 33:27
  with a meat cleaver and some other small cutting
• 33:29
  device, perhaps a razor blade or box opener.
• 33:32
  Authorities say she was then beaten over the
• 33:34
  head with a large chunk of asphalt from this
• 33:37
  pile. News of the arrest was quick to circulate
• 33:40
  around UT. I'm glad it wasn't a student, but
• 33:43
  still it's kind of, it's still frightening that
• 33:44
  it would happen over here. You just don't think
• 33:46
  it would ever happen to you. You think, well,
• 33:48
  you know, I'm 18, it's not gonna happen to me.
• 33:50
  I can walk and I know self -defense, but that
• 33:54
  really makes you stop and think. While the murder
• 33:56
  was not directly linked to the university, other
• 33:58
  than location, authorities say students and faculty
• 34:00
  should always exercise caution, especially at
• 34:03
  night in areas like this. So now you have the
• 34:06
  background. Let's hear the actual details of
• 34:09
  the torture. It's getting a little bit gruesome,
• 34:10
  but I'm surprised from a news media where if
• 34:15
  it bleeds, it leads, and the more gruesome, the
• 34:17
  better. They want to show it all. They want to
• 34:19
  talk about it. They're not doing that right now,
• 34:22
  but they did 30 years ago. A choice Christa Gale
• 34:25
  Pike made more than 30 years ago is the reason
• 34:28
  she's said to die by lethal injection. In January
• 34:31
  1995, Pike was 18 years old, a student in the
• 34:35
  Knoxville Job Corps. Pike suspected fellow student
• 34:38
  Colleen Slemmer was interested in her boyfriend
• 34:41
  to Daryl Shipp. Shipp and Pike invited her to
• 34:44
  plans that night. Investigators say the suspects
• 34:46
  led their victim to this isolated area of campus.
• 34:49
  On the premise, they'd smoke marijuana together.
• 34:51
  A rainy night. That would change. all of their
• 34:54
  lives. The young woman's badly beaten body was
• 34:58
  found in a remote area of UT's ag campus. For
• 35:01
  at least half an hour, the pair tortured their
• 35:03
  classmate. The victim's partially dressed body
• 35:06
  was found in this brushy area Friday morning.
• 35:09
  An autopsy confirmed she was slashed repeatedly
• 35:11
  with a meat cleaver and some other small cutting
• 35:13
  device, perhaps a razor blade or box opener.
• 35:16
  Shadala Peterson was present. Well, she was there,
• 35:19
  but she had no part in this killing. Slemmer
• 35:23
  told them she'd move back home and tell no one,
• 35:26
  if they let her go. A pentagram, a five -pointed
• 35:30
  star, a symbol of Satan, was carved into her
• 35:33
  chest. Pike dealt a final blow, breaking her
• 35:36
  skull with a piece of asphalt. Peterson went
• 35:38
  on to say Pike took a piece of Slemmer's skull
• 35:41
  and put it in her pocket. The next morning, she
• 35:43
  showed off the skull fragment to friends. OK.
• 35:47
  Does that change your mind about this case, maybe?
• 35:50
  Wow. Man, yeah, that's intense. So this is satanic,
• 35:58
  but we're not hearing that. So what's going to
• 36:02
  happen is we're going to have a debate over capital
• 36:04
  punishment. And so how do we, as believers and
• 36:09
  Christ curious, what is the biblical worldview?
• 36:12
  Because you have government, you have the person,
• 36:16
  and this is a complicated one. I want to be...
• 36:20
  ready for when someone asks me about this. Because
• 36:23
  you believe in God. You don't believe in killing
• 36:25
  people. God, you can't do that. Or does God say,
• 36:28
  you got to kill them? Well, let's clarify. First
• 36:30
  of all, no one is to take revenge and take a
• 36:33
  life. Just get that out in front because people,
• 36:37
  they just say death is death no matter who does
• 36:40
  it. But that's not true. A person, an individual
• 36:43
  cannot revenge or avenge any wrong through the
• 36:48
  killing of another human being, period. So, end
• 36:51
  of story. Well, then capital punishment's evil.
• 36:54
  No, that isn't what I said. I said an individual
• 36:56
  cannot do that, but a government can. In fact,
• 37:00
  governments are directed by God, both Old and
• 37:02
  New Testament, to take care of evildoers, to
• 37:05
  punish them. And I've got some scriptures here,
• 37:08
  Genesis 9, 6, talks about... Let's just talk
• 37:11
  about the sanctity of human life, right? So,
• 37:14
  the biblical argument is this. This grounds the
• 37:18
  issue in the image of God. So biblical argument
• 37:21
  is not that life is cheap. It's that human life
• 37:23
  is so valuable that intentionally taking innocent
• 37:26
  life is treated with the utmost seriousness.
• 37:29
  So I'm taking this back a little bit because
• 37:31
  I'm going to give you a worldview, not just to
• 37:33
  try to answer. Second thing, personal vengeance
• 37:35
  and civil justice are different. That's what
• 37:37
  I was saying from the beginning. So we're talking
• 37:39
  about two different things. We're talking in
• 37:42
  this case, civil justice. This has been through
• 37:45
  a court system, it's been planned, all that.
• 37:49
  And it's based on the horrific nature of the
• 37:52
  crime. So there's context and evidence and all
• 37:56
  those things that come into play. And admission
• 37:57
  in this case. So Romans 12, 19 says this, Christians
• 38:01
  are not to avenge themselves. So we don't take
• 38:04
  or exact revenge on anyone. But Romans 13, the
• 38:08
  next chapter, says that governing authorities
• 38:10
  are responsible to restrain evil and do not bear
• 38:15
  the sword in vain. So they bear a sword. They
• 38:17
  do bear a sword. And so the Bible separates personal
• 38:21
  revenge and vengeance, which is forbidden from
• 38:25
  civil justice, which is authorized. Okay. So
• 38:29
  we're not talking about personal revenge in this
• 38:32
  case and capital punishment or in any capital
• 38:34
  punishment case. It's not about that. It's about
• 38:37
  civil justice being authorized by God and by
• 38:41
  scripture to to deal justly to exact justice
• 38:46
  upon the criminal of the crime. Scripture recognizes
• 38:50
  crimes worthy of death. There's many of them,
• 38:53
  several. In the book of Acts, Paul says this
• 38:56
  in Acts 25 -11, if I am an offender or have committed
• 39:00
  anything deserving of death, I should die. I
• 39:03
  do not object to dying. This is Paul saying,
• 39:06
  look, if I did something that's worthy of that
• 39:08
  or deserving of it, then I should die. Paul's
• 39:11
  argument was not that capital punishment was
• 39:12
  inherently wrong. His argument was that he was
• 39:15
  innocent of the charges. But he was using that
• 39:18
  as case precedent, right? And then here's another
• 39:21
  one. Biblical justice demands a very high standard.
• 39:24
  The Old Testament required witnesses, evidence,
• 39:26
  and distinctions between murder and accidental
• 39:29
  death. So there's an issue there. So if government
• 39:32
  has the authority to take a life, it also bears
• 39:35
  an enormous responsibility to get the judgment
• 39:37
  right. So there's that plays in. But how does
• 39:41
  this work when we shouldn't be electing our politicians
• 39:44
  based upon their faith? Right. You see where
• 39:49
  I'm coming from? Oh, I do. Which is why we were
• 39:51
  told that this grand experiment called the United
• 39:54
  States would not work unless you had a religious
• 39:56
  and moral people. Yes. That's right. Right. So
• 39:59
  let's go back to the beginning, right? Capital
• 40:01
  punishment should never be about rage, revenge,
• 40:04
  politics, or mob justice. So, that's it. That's
• 40:06
  forbidden by God. So, here's a simple summary.
• 40:10
  My position is that capital punishment can be
• 40:13
  defended biblically as a legitimate function
• 40:16
  of civil government, especially in cases of intentional
• 40:19
  murder, which we already have admission, proof,
• 40:22
  everything. But the biblical argument is rooted
• 40:24
  in the value of human life, not vengeance, okay?
• 40:28
  Christians can support justice, demand due process,
• 40:31
  and at the same time, pray for the repentance
• 40:34
  and salvation of the guilty person. Now, this
• 40:37
  is where we come in, where we say, okay, civil
• 40:40
  government has already said that there are crimes
• 40:43
  that are worthy of death. A crime worthy of death
• 40:46
  has been committed, it has been admitted to,
• 40:48
  it has been proven, due process has happened.
• 40:51
  And now 30 years later, we're talking about it.
• 40:55
  But it's not about vengeance, it's about, for
• 40:58
  us, praying for that life of that person. I mean,
• 41:03
  I pray for evil people all the time. This is
• 41:05
  what we do as Christians because ultimately our
• 41:09
  goal isn't punishment, it is redemption. We want
• 41:14
  to see people redeemed. Now, there are natural
• 41:16
  logical consequences to the things we do. There
• 41:20
  are civic consequences to the things we do. There
• 41:22
  are spiritual consequences to the things we do.
• 41:25
  And you've got to parse those out. And so at
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  the end of the day, we can support justice. demand
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  due process, and at the same time, pray for repentance
• 41:33
  and salvation of the guilty person. Justice and
• 41:36
  mercy are not opposites. Got to realize that.
• 41:41
  Mercy works because of justice. Mercy is not
• 41:44
  a free pass. It works because justice exists
• 41:48
  and it's needed. And at the cross, we see both
• 41:51
  punishment of sin, capital punishment, and mercy.
• 41:57
  So, the shortcut for people is God gives those
• 42:04
  decisions and power to government, and we pray
• 42:10
  that we elect the right governing leaders who
• 42:13
  we were supposed to pray for anyway, no matter
• 42:15
  who we elected, or if someone is elected who
• 42:18
  we didn't vote for, that is continuously our
• 42:22
  duty. See, that's, I think, the step that people
• 42:25
  don't realize. They don't because we see things
• 42:29
  on such a just face value. We don't think about
• 42:32
  what's behind that thought, what's behind that
• 42:34
  action. That's why a biblical worldview is so
• 42:37
  important to understand is that God set up governments.
• 42:41
  God ordained family. He ordained government.
• 42:44
  He ordained these things. So they're there. And
• 42:47
  in Romans chapter 13, it tells us straight up,
• 42:50
  they are there to execute judgment. on evildoers,
• 42:54
  but also to bless those who aren't, those who
• 42:58
  do right. So it's there to bless and to exact
• 43:02
  punishment. And I'm not even sure that this was
• 43:05
  a botched thing, to be honest about it, brother.
• 43:08
  Really? I'm not sure what the circumstances.
• 43:10
  Canada has no problem. If you want to die, they'll
• 43:12
  kill you in one minute and 30 seconds. They have,
• 43:15
  it seems to work all the time with their assisted
• 43:18
  death program. So what are you thinking? I mean,
• 43:20
  what do you? Midterms. I don't put anything past
• 43:23
  the enemy brother. I don't put anything past
• 43:26
  these people. This could have been a complete
• 43:28
  intentional. Very possible. I mean, why didn't
• 43:31
  it work? That's just weird. Is she? Well, I'm
• 43:34
  hearing all these like, oh, your platelets. Is
• 43:37
  she debilitated now? I mean, no, no, she's now
• 43:40
  speaking. Wow. She's she's come back. So now
• 43:44
  we give her a free pass. Well, tell me. Pastor,
• 43:48
  I don't think we should. The conviction was in.
• 43:51
  This is going to be the next question. Well,
• 43:53
  if she survived it, shouldn't she live? Is there
• 43:57
  a law? Is there precedent on this? This is government
• 43:59
  decisions. This has happened in the past, yeah.
• 44:01
  And typically they execute the prisoner afterwards.
• 44:05
  That's the precedent for it. So people are all
• 44:09
  compassionate because it didn't take this cruel
• 44:11
  and unusual punishment, which is an issue. And
• 44:13
  that's why we didn't hear the actual crime. Thank
• 44:18
  you for that, because that actually informs even
• 44:20
  the way I see this thing. Now, I felt compassion
• 44:23
  just because, yeah, I'd rather just be done.
• 44:26
  I mean, I hate that she had to go through all
• 44:28
  that and not die. That's weird. I've never heard
• 44:31
  of this happening before. No, it's happened several
• 44:34
  times. Wow. Yeah. This is new to me. And then
• 44:37
  the sentence was carried out. Yeah. Okay. So
• 44:41
  there's precedent. There's precedent for it.
• 44:43
  But that's why I don't trust this reporting because
• 44:47
  we didn't hear the original reporting from 30
• 44:49
  years ago. This is a heinous crime. And then
• 44:52
  like, look, I got a piece of the skull showing
• 44:54
  it to the students the next day. Come on now.
• 44:59
  Anyway. No, that's good. Good boy. But I hope
• 45:02
  that helps people from a biblical perspective
• 45:04
  see that, yeah, God exacts punishment. He inacts
• 45:08
  justice. And then He puts that in the civics
• 45:13
  realm, the government realm, which He ordained.
• 45:16
  And so, yeah, there's justifiable. And I'm pretty
• 45:20
  sure it's meant to confuse people. The way this
• 45:24
  reporting is done is to scramble your brains.
• 45:27
  And it's a weird bridge to make, but not only
• 45:33
  your message on Sunday, but Pastor Russ '… I
• 45:37
  mean, he was doing the communion, which is typically…
• 45:42
  you know, you set it up, you talk about the blood
• 45:45
  of Christ, the body of Christ. It's a lead into
• 45:48
  our donation segment. But he stood up there and
• 45:52
  he had the podium and he had the lectern and
• 45:54
  everything, and he just like put into such simple
• 45:57
  terms as like an opening act for your message
• 46:00
  about the lies that we tell ourselves. And this
• 46:05
  comes back to your four Rs, which a lot of people
• 46:08
  responded to from the last episode. We have to
• 46:12
  Talk about that again. Yeah. Yeah. Let's unpack
• 46:15
  some of that. Well, first of all, what are the
• 46:17
  four Rs and why are they even this? Why would
• 46:20
  people even be interested in them? So let me
• 46:21
  just read them to you straight up. Four Rs. One
• 46:25
  is recognize what? You're recognizing the lies
• 46:28
  that come. Love the way John Eldridge puts it
• 46:31
  when he talks about how things come to us. Lies
• 46:33
  come to us. False things come to us. False thoughts.
• 46:40
  unhealthy, wrong thinking, all that stuff that
• 46:42
  the mind war that we have. I'm no good. I'm ugly.
• 46:45
  I'm a loser. It's never going to work out. I'm
• 46:47
  not going to happen. I'm going to be alone for
• 46:50
  the rest of my life. Yep. Yep. I'm never going
• 46:52
  to make it. Never going to move forward in my
• 46:53
  career. All of that. And man, it gets more, it
• 46:57
  gets uglier than that if, and anyone who's looked
• 46:59
  in the mirror can tell you that they've got their
• 47:01
  own mind wars going. So, but how do you combat
• 47:03
  that? And first of all, do you recognize this
• 47:06
  might not be me thinking this? That's what I
• 47:08
  like so much about this. That's what's critical.
• 47:12
  Eldridge, we showed a clip from John Eldridge
• 47:14
  where he made this comment. He said, in fact,
• 47:18
  we played on last program. This is very good.
• 47:21
  This clip's good. It's a good setup for helping
• 47:24
  people understand the four Rs. It's a podcast
• 47:34
  by Ryan. I got it. I got it. I got it. Yeah,
• 47:36
  this is good. It took me a second. What is your
• 47:38
  prescription for taking inventory of agreements?
• 47:41
  Because it sounds like this is not like, oh,
• 47:43
  I... I was open to agreements at one point. It
• 47:46
  sounds like our entire lives, we are constantly,
• 47:48
  you know, at risk of accepting these things because
• 47:52
  it's being dark, it's being thrown at us. So
• 47:54
  what's John's wisdom for taking inventory? And
• 47:57
  when should we stop and say, hey, is there anything
• 47:58
  I'm, you know, wow, that got me? And I didn't
• 48:02
  even realize that. Yes. OK, let's first come
• 48:04
  back for a moment to our worldview. You live
• 48:07
  in a love story set in a world at war. It is
• 48:12
  a love story. The centerpiece is the love story,
• 48:16
  but you are surrounded by war. Revelation 12,
• 48:22
  and he went off to make war against her offspring,
• 48:25
  speaking of Mary, those who hold to the testimony
• 48:28
  of Jesus, right? So particularly if you're a
• 48:31
  Christian, you live in a world at war, folks,
• 48:33
  so that yes, this is going to be part of your...
• 48:36
  toolkit for the rest of your life. It's very
• 48:38
  helpful. I would say, Ryan, a couple of things.
• 48:41
  One is pay attention to your inner chatter, right?
• 48:46
  Like tune in. Don't be oblivious to your internal
• 48:50
  world and the kind of things that you think.
• 48:54
  See, this is the other lovely thing is to realize
• 48:56
  not every thought that goes through your head
• 48:58
  is from you. That's actually a very freeing thing
• 49:02
  for most people to go, oh my gosh, this negative
• 49:05
  talk. You mean, it's not all me? No, it's not.
• 49:07
  You have an enemy. But pay attention, but particularly
• 49:12
  notice, I'm gonna give you three things. Pay
• 49:15
  attention to the internal chatter. Notice what
• 49:18
  comes out of your mouth when you blow it, when
• 49:22
  you look in the mirror, right? I mean, some people
• 49:25
  look in the mirror and just go, you're such an,
• 49:27
  you know, and I. expletives, or you're just so
• 49:31
  ugly, I can't believe you, or even self -hatred.
• 49:35
  I hate you. I just hate you. It'll come out of
• 49:38
  your mouth, folks, these agreements. But thirdly,
• 49:41
  and probably the most easiest test is, one of
• 49:44
  the things Jesus gave us is, you shall know them
• 49:46
  by their fruit. You can test anything by this.
• 49:50
  Is the fruit love, joy, peace? I just want to
• 49:55
  stop there. That's so good. The fruit itself,
• 49:57
  is that literally the nine? Yes, fruit of the
• 50:00
  Spirit. So it's love, joy, peace, goodness, godliness,
• 50:05
  kindness, faithfulness. You're close. Patience
• 50:08
  and self -control. I have nine. They may not
• 50:10
  be the right nine. Yeah, yeah. Godliness isn't
• 50:12
  in there. Goodness is, though. Love, joy, peace,
• 50:15
  patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness
• 50:17
  and self -control. So those are the nine fruit
• 50:19
  of the Spirit, not of the flesh, of the Spirit.
• 50:23
  OK, let's continue because he only he did like
• 50:25
  a couple there like, hold on a second. I got
• 50:27
  to get them all fruit. OK, you can test anything
• 50:30
  by this is the fruit love, joy, peace. You know,
• 50:35
  is it goodness? Is it intimacy with God? Or is
• 50:39
  it discouragement, despair, fear, anxiety producing?
• 50:44
  Look at the fruit of it and just go, wow. Why
• 50:48
  am I so afraid in this relationship right now?
• 50:51
  So if it's not one of those nine, or let me,
• 50:55
  I guess, self -control, I mean, I don't know
• 50:57
  if you look in the mirror and you have self -control,
• 50:59
  but if it doesn't fit in any of those nine, then
• 51:02
  it's definitely not from me. Well, actually it
• 51:06
  could be, because we can also disparage ourselves,
• 51:09
  but realize there's a higher influence going
• 51:11
  on, and that's the liar. The Bible says, Jesus
• 51:16
  was very clear in John chapter 8 that the devil,
• 51:19
  he's talking to the Pharisee, the religious rulers,
• 51:21
  and he's really reaming them out. He's saying,
• 51:25
  you are of your father, the devil. And then he
• 51:28
  says who the devil was. He was a murderer from
• 51:31
  the beginning. a liar and the father of it. I
• 51:34
  mean, that's how Jesus describes the devil. A
• 51:37
  murderer from the beginning, a liar and the father
• 51:40
  of it, of what lies? The father of lies. That's
• 51:43
  why you hear people say, oh, the devil is the
• 51:44
  father of lies. That's his nature. That's his
• 51:47
  character. So that's how he responds to everything.
• 51:50
  So when things are coming into your mind, it
• 51:53
  may be you, because we can disparage ourselves.
• 51:56
  We can talk bad about ourselves. But he's saying,
• 51:59
  look at the fruit. If what's coming into your
• 52:02
  mind is goodness, joy, peace, patience, kindness,
• 52:09
  gentleness, love, if it's that, oh yeah, man,
• 52:13
  that's good, that's God. But if it's anything
• 52:16
  else, like he said, disparaging, despair, fear,
• 52:24
  anxiety, all those things, sometimes it's us.
• 52:28
  But more often than not, it's demonic in nature.
• 52:32
  And this is truly where it came down for me.
• 52:34
  It's like if there's evil in the world, there
• 52:37
  has to be good. I started with the evil part.
• 52:40
  But the spiritual warfare is what is real. There
• 52:44
  is a real devil. There is a real Satan. And I
• 52:48
  just need to say it out loud so people can hear
• 52:50
  me say it. There's a real Satan. There's a real
• 52:53
  God. There's an unseen realm. That was what Michael
• 52:56
  Heiser called it, the unseen realm. And then
• 53:00
  Dr. Jack Taylor later years before that even
• 53:03
  said in his great book called The Hallelujah
• 53:06
  Factor, he said this, he said, the spiritual
• 53:10
  realm, the unseen realm is actually more real
• 53:13
  than this realm. We're stuck. I mean, we're so
• 53:18
  limited here, right? With matter, gravity, force.
• 53:23
  We're stuck. We're very trapped in a very real
• 53:27
  way. But in the spiritual realm, there's complete
• 53:30
  freedom and it's a whole other world, another
• 53:33
  realm. It's called the kingdom of God and it's
• 53:37
  different. And in that realm, there's not that
• 53:40
  limitation. It's actually more real than what
• 53:43
  we're living in now because we live in a fallen
• 53:45
  world. We live in a bad copy of what it was supposed
• 53:49
  to be, like a fax of a fax of a fax. After a
• 53:53
  few of those, you can't read anything, right?
• 53:56
  And so that's what he's talking about. So the
• 54:00
  enemy traffics in both the natural realm and
• 54:04
  the supernatural realm. And boy, can he ever
• 54:08
  whisper things into your mind, whisper things.
• 54:11
  You're no good. You're not going to make it.
• 54:14
  You're a loser. Okay, so we got recognized. So
• 54:19
  that's probably the hardest part. First one,
• 54:21
  recognize the lie. In fact, you can literally
• 54:24
  pray. I like to clarify right here. What am I
• 54:29
  believing that contradicts God's Word? So if
• 54:33
  you're hearing, you're not going to make it.
• 54:38
  Nobody loves you. What am I believing about that
• 54:42
  that contradicts God's Word? We got to know God's
• 54:45
  Word. And here's the key. This is why biblical
• 54:48
  illiteracy is so dangerous. Because you have
• 54:52
  to work the Word. The Word works, but you have
• 54:56
  to know how to work it. And if you don't know
• 54:57
  the Word, you can't work it. And if you can't
• 55:00
  work it, you're in trouble. You won't be able
• 55:03
  to discern a lie from the truth. It goes way
• 55:07
  back there. So recognize the lives. And once
• 55:10
  you recognize, and I always ask this question,
• 55:13
  Jesus, is this true? Yeah. Is this true about
• 55:17
  me? Am I what this voice in my head is saying
• 55:21
  I am? And I'll 99, I have a hundred times, oh
• 55:25
  no, oh no. Now I don't hear a voice. He didn't
• 55:29
  talk to me that way. He'll show me something
• 55:31
  in the word of the scripture or I'll remember
• 55:33
  a scripture. He says, wait, the Bible says I'm
• 55:36
  his beloved. The Bible says I'm above only, not
• 55:39
  beneath. The Bible says I'm his son. Son of a
• 55:42
  king. Yeah, wow. The Bible says I've been adopted
• 55:45
  by him. The Bible says I am above reproach. Colossians
• 55:50
  1 .22. I'm afraid to quote scriptures because
• 55:53
  your boss is going to correct me all day long.
• 55:55
  That was hilarious last time. Anyway, I digress
• 55:58
  on that. You go back to God's Word. So recognize
• 56:04
  the lie. What am I believing that contradicts?
• 56:05
  That's number one. Number two, now you've got
• 56:07
  to do something with that. What do you do? You
• 56:09
  renounce it. To renounce means to formally disagree,
• 56:13
  to formally disengage. It means to push back.
• 56:16
  It means to reject. Casting it away. It is pushing
• 56:19
  it back. You're pushing it back. You're pushing
• 56:22
  it back saying, oh no, so renounce your agreement
• 56:24
  with it in a simple way to do that in words This
• 56:27
  is this will help anybody. This is how I do it
• 56:29
  in Jesus name. I reject and renounce that lie
• 56:33
  And sometimes I'll just say what the lie is I
• 56:36
  read I renounce and reject that lie that says
• 56:39
  I am not blank blank I just want to give you
• 56:41
  some data just to back up the the the recognize
• 56:49
  Queen's University in Canada, we have about six
• 56:52
  thoughts a minute, about 8 ,640 a day. Up to
• 56:57
  80 % of daily thoughts are negative. 95 % are
• 57:03
  repetitive. It's the brain's negativity bias.
• 57:07
  So we have about a little under 7 ,000 negative
• 57:10
  thoughts during the day versus 1 ,700. That is
• 57:15
  very telling. Boy, I mean to have scientific
• 57:18
  study behind that. But what it also reminds me
• 57:21
  of is why we need to know the Bible. That's why
• 57:24
  we've got to get familiar with the Scriptures,
• 57:28
  because that way we've got something to combat
• 57:30
  that with. The Bible tells me this. It says,
• 57:33
  I have the mind of Christ. So if if my natural
• 57:37
  mind is getting bombarded with all this and getting
• 57:40
  assaulted with all this negativity By the way
• 57:42
  happens all I mean think about seven hours a
• 57:45
  day being on social media you're getting assaulted
• 57:47
  all the time constantly and Yet if I know the
• 57:51
  truth and the truth tells me I'm the righteousness
• 57:53
  of God in Christ Jesus I have the mind of Christ
• 57:56
  I don't have a spirit of fear but of power love
• 57:58
  and of a sound mind the ability to think well
• 58:01
  Then I'm gonna engage that how do you do that
• 58:03
  by faith? I just say it, Lord, by faith, I engage
• 58:07
  the mind of Christ. Thank you for giving me the
• 58:09
  mind. Thank you, Lord, for giving me a sound
• 58:11
  mind and the ability to think well. And so Lord,
• 58:14
  with that, in Jesus' name, I reject and renounce
• 58:17
  that. That is a lie. That is not the truth. And
• 58:21
  I don't have to keep it. Another principle of
• 58:23
  that is found in 2 Corinthians, where it talks
• 58:25
  about, in chapter 10, it talks about taking every
• 58:29
  thought captive and submitting it to Christ,
• 58:31
  making it obedient to Christ. So, there's scripture
• 58:34
  that backs every one of these. So, recognize
• 58:36
  the lie, renounce your agreement with it. What
• 58:38
  is an agreement? That's when a lie comes to you
• 58:41
  and you say, yeah, that's true. Or you do something
• 58:46
  and you go, I'm so stupid. I remember there was
• 58:49
  a line, Kersi Alley used to say it on Cheers
• 58:52
  all time. She said, I'm just too stupid to live.
• 58:54
  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And she said all the
• 58:56
  time. I remember thinking, Oh, that even before
• 58:58
  I was a Christian and I saw that it made me,
• 59:01
  I didn't feel good about that. I was like, that's
• 59:04
  a horrible thing to say about yourself. And she
• 59:07
  said over and over and over and over and her
• 59:08
  life did not go well. I'm not saying that's the
• 59:10
  only reason. So when you're looking at Instagram,
• 59:13
  you're seeing beautiful influencers with filters,
• 59:15
  et cetera. I mean, it's very normal to think,
• 59:18
  Oh, especially for young women. I'm never going
• 59:21
  to look like that. I don't look like that. I'm
• 59:23
  no good like that. I mean, think about how destructive
• 59:27
  that is from literally this for our sequence.
• 59:31
  It's brutal. And so you renounce your agreement
• 59:34
  with it. Because when we make an agreement, it's
• 59:36
  like we're shaking hands with the devil. We're
• 59:38
  shaking hands with something that's bringing
• 59:40
  something horrible to us. And we're going, yeah,
• 59:43
  I agree with that. I mean, it sounds absurd,
• 59:46
  but we do it automatic pilot. Sure. We don't
• 59:49
  picture ourselves. Just picture yourself shaking
• 59:52
  hands with the devil. That might help. Ouch.
• 59:54
  Disparage that a little bit. His hand's a little
• 59:55
  hot. It's pointy. It's pointy fingernails. So
• 59:58
  renounce your agreement with it. Then number
• 1:00:00
  three, then third R is replace. What do you replace
• 1:00:03
  it with? Truth. Scripture. Right. Jesus said,
• 1:00:06
  I'm the way, the truth. So you replace it with
• 1:00:09
  the truth. And this is where you've got to know,
• 1:00:13
  and it doesn't mean you got to memorize the Bible.
• 1:00:15
  You just got to know where to go. That's your
• 1:00:17
  reference point. So it's like I don't need to
• 1:00:20
  know how a computer works. I just need to know
• 1:00:22
  how to access things to make it work for me,
• 1:00:24
  right? Scripture. I don't have to memorize the
• 1:00:26
  whole Bible, but I need to get familiar with
• 1:00:29
  it and put some markers, put some Post -It notes
• 1:00:31
  somewhere so that when these things come to me,
• 1:00:34
  I can replace it with the truth. Can you give
• 1:00:36
  them some examples? Yeah, Colossians 1 .22. I
• 1:00:39
  mean, if I make an agreement that I'm worthless
• 1:00:41
  and I'm no good, that I'm condemned, I can say,
• 1:00:45
  no, the Bible says that I've been made the righteous
• 1:00:48
  of God in Christ Jesus, Colossal 1 .22, I am
• 1:00:51
  holy, blameless, and above reproach. That's what
• 1:00:54
  the scripture says. It literally says it. You're
• 1:00:57
  holy, blameless, and above reproach in His sight.
• 1:00:59
  But you know, you can't take the Bible literally.
• 1:01:02
  Even my priest friend said that. Sorry. A little
• 1:01:05
  call back to the West Wing. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 1:01:07
  That's what I was like to hear Alan Ola saying
• 1:01:09
  that. So you take the scripture and you repeat
• 1:01:13
  it to yourself, say it, replace the lie with
• 1:01:16
  truth. So, you know, when you disagree, when
• 1:01:19
  you renounce something, you know how to fill
• 1:01:21
  up and replace the space that took up in your
• 1:01:24
  brain. Wouldn't it be great if you're reading
• 1:01:26
  something, you're seeing a picture on social
• 1:01:29
  media and you think, oh man, I'm never going
• 1:01:30
  to look like that, that your computer recognized
• 1:01:33
  that and just popped up and said, what are you
• 1:01:35
  talking about? That's not true. Here's the truth.
• 1:01:38
  Here's the truth. Wouldn't that be great? Oh,
• 1:01:40
  that'd be awesome. But you know what? You can
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  train your mind to do this. Boy, the thing about
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  neuroplasticity, right? I mean, we can train.
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  God wired our brain to be trained, and we can
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  train it in positive ways, just like it's already
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  trained in negative ways. So we replace it with
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  scripture. We say, oh, this is the truth. And
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  I'll even say things like, okay, devil, let me
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  tell you. First of all, you're reminding me of
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  my past and what a mess up I was. Let me remind
• 1:02:06
  you of your future. You're bound for a lake of
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  fire. You're going to be bound, gone, and you
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  think you're going to rule in rain down there?
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  No, you'll be a slave just like everybody else.
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  So I'll get sassy sometimes, but that helps me
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  be stronger with what I'm saying. And then I'll
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  just remind him of my future. Right. I've been
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  raised up seated in heavenly places in Christ
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  Jesus. My gosh. Far above all principality, power,
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  might, dominion. That's Ephesians 2. Yeah, all
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  because I've memorized this stuff. I have the
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  ability to use it. You've got a toolkit. A toolkit,
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  exactly. But if it's not memorized, you can write
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  it down. You can print it off. You can have it
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  in front of you. You can have it on your phone
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  on a note. You know, what do I do? What does
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  the Bible say about me? Number four, resist.
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  So, recognize the lie, renounce your agreement,
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  replace it with Scripture. Number four, resist.
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  Now, what does that mean? And why is that even
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  in there? What's based out of Ephesians chapter
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  six, James, where it says, resist the devil,
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  submit to God, resist the devil, and he will
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  flee. So, I don't have that right in front of
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  me, but it is in the book of James. And so, taking
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  that, we resist when the lie returns because
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  the enemy doesn't give up that easy. He'll after
• 1:03:21
  a period I had a guy come up to me in church
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  Between during the meetup and he came came to
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  me goes passion me. I had to tell you something
• 1:03:28
  happened It's interesting you're preaching on
• 1:03:30
  this because this last week There was a thing
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  in my life that happened years ago and it was
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  a it was a repetitive thing And I got past it.
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  It's gone. I mean I dealt with this years ago
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  Just this week it revisited me and I had to fight
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  it as hard as when I fought it the first time.
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  He said, what is that? And I said, that's you
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  having to resist. I said, that's what scripture
• 1:03:54
  tells us to do. We resist. I said, because the
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  enemy can't handle that. Well, and he catches
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  you off guard. He catches you comfortable, catches
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  you with your guard down, catches you in a vulnerable
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  moment or in an emotional moment. We usually
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  do a lot of bad things when we're emotionally
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  spun up. That's why you and I are always trying
• 1:04:15
  to spin people down, right? We make terrible
• 1:04:18
  decisions when we're spun up. And so the enemy
• 1:04:21
  always tries to come back and re -present things
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  to you. And you have to say, no, no, no, no.
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  No, that's dealt with. Not today, Satan. Take
• 1:04:30
  a hike. So resist. And Ephesians 6 .13 says this,
• 1:04:33
  having done all, stand firm. And then it says,
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  having done all to stand. It says, stand therefore.
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  And Nathan talks about putting on the full armor
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  of God. Yeah, that's that passage. So there it
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  is, recognize the lie, renounce your agreement
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  with it, replace it with Scripture, resist when
• 1:04:50
  the lie returns. That is so good. Boom shakalaka.
• 1:04:56
  Not just I, but Tina, and I saw other people
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  walking out lighter on Sunday than when they
• 1:05:03
  came in. I got people emailing me from around
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  the world. This was amazing. I didn't really
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  understand. I didn't have the formula. I didn't
• 1:05:13
  have the formula. And now I have it. Sometimes
• 1:05:14
  we just need a little help, right? Just something.
• 1:05:17
  I'm that way. I like to have something in front
• 1:05:19
  of me that helps me walk through something. Annette
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  and I, we read our prayers. We read them out
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  of a little book called, Prayers That Avail Much.
• 1:05:29
  And it's by Jermaine Copeland. And it's a lady,
• 1:05:32
  she had a prayer group, and they started writing
• 1:05:34
  down scriptures in prayer form. And then they
• 1:05:37
  began to put them under topics. Oh, yes, I know
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  this. Of course we do. We do that every night.
• 1:05:44
  I read about Israel last night because today
• 1:05:47
  is October 7th. That's right. Three -year anniversary
• 1:05:49
  of horrific evil that was perpetuated against
• 1:05:54
  those precious people. 1 ,200 plus lost, 200
• 1:05:57
  plus taken away. And so we prayed for Israel
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  last night. We prayed the peace of Jerusalem,
• 1:06:04
  but there was also a prayer in this book. So
• 1:06:06
  sometimes we use something that's already written
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  down that that helps us walk through these things.
• 1:06:12
  What's the name of that book again? Prayers That
• 1:06:15
  Avail Much by Jermaine Copeland. That'll be in
• 1:06:19
  the show notes. That's an excellent resource.
• 1:06:22
  You can go to the contents and it lists the prayers
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  by topics. Right. Yes. We got this a long time.
• 1:06:29
  It's time to bring that one back out. We do that
• 1:06:32
  every night. There's a prayer for going to sleep.
• 1:06:36
  I'll pray that prayer over us. It's all from
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  Scripture. So you're basically praying the Bible,
• 1:06:41
  and you're putting it in prayer form, and they
• 1:06:43
  do it for you. So it's very helpful. So they're
• 1:06:46
  using the Scripture in the prayer itself. Yes.
• 1:06:49
  Oh, that's so cool. That's excellent. Yeah. Every
• 1:06:51
  night. I don't get much farther than, you know,
• 1:06:53
  like, your will be done. Okay, I snuck in some
• 1:06:56
  Scripture. See what I did there? Hey, but that's
• 1:06:58
  good. You're starting. Well, I hope these four
• 1:07:00
  hours will help people because it does give you
• 1:07:02
  a tool for fighting the mind war. that's coming
• 1:07:06
  against you. We have some clips here. Do any
• 1:07:09
  of these fit in at this point? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:07:10
  yeah. Go ahead and do a Pakluta on, why don't
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  you do the one on salt, light, gospel, and Amsterdam?
• 1:07:17
  Yeah. I want you to speak to this. I will. That's
• 1:07:20
  why I captured this. I will. I'm like, this experiment
• 1:07:23
  has played out right in front of us all the time.
• 1:07:26
  Just open our eyes and use logic. God is amazing.
• 1:07:30
  I mean, you can, you know, Jesus said we're salt
• 1:07:32
  and light. Where Christian values are lived out,
• 1:07:35
  society has thrived. That's right. There was
• 1:07:39
  the chief bureau for, man, what was it? It was
• 1:07:46
  in Beijing. They studied the success of the West.
• 1:07:51
  And they said, at first we thought it was your
• 1:07:52
  economy, and then we thought it was your military.
• 1:07:56
  And we've actually found out it's your religion.
• 1:07:59
  And where missionaries have gone over here, opium,
• 1:08:03
  has declined, opium usage has decreased, and
• 1:08:07
  the people had more money. They were wealthier.
• 1:08:11
  And it's not the prosperity gospel, it just turns
• 1:08:13
  out, hey, you use less opium, you have more money,
• 1:08:15
  you know? And they were saying, hey, this is
• 1:08:18
  actually what has caused the success of America.
• 1:08:22
  It's your Christian values. You move away from
• 1:08:26
  those Christian values, you're going to see decline.
• 1:08:30
  Where, you know, in Amsterdam, there was what
• 1:08:33
  was called the Golden Era. It was known for these
• 1:08:36
  beautiful cathedrals, like beautiful church buildings
• 1:08:39
  where people would go to worship God. Now, Amsterdam
• 1:08:43
  is known for secularism and sex trade, and a
• 1:08:46
  lot of those cathedrals are now skate parks and
• 1:08:48
  museums. It's even worse than that. They are
• 1:08:52
  WeWork, offices, office buildings. But we just
• 1:08:57
  had some... Some people come over for dinner
• 1:09:01
  last week, and he's Dutch. He's Dieterich. He
• 1:09:06
  wrote the screenplay for Young Washington, his
• 1:09:08
  wife Kelly, and she is the CEO of Wonder Project.
• 1:09:12
  So we met on an airplane. We've always been wanting
• 1:09:14
  to get together. We had a wonderful evening.
• 1:09:16
  Great movie by the way. Yes, it's a good one
• 1:09:19
  and did very well. And, you know, so we were
• 1:09:22
  a lot of talk about faith and Dieter was actually
• 1:09:26
  a pastor's kid, but just before he was born,
• 1:09:30
  his dad and his mom went complete 1960s hippie
• 1:09:34
  nuts and completely, you know, just he went to
• 1:09:39
  protests and demonstrations and, you know, sleeping
• 1:09:42
  in the tent in the Volkswagen van. But he really
• 1:09:47
  came to his faith when he was back in America
• 1:09:50
  or when he came to America and he became a citizen,
• 1:09:52
  but he said, Even having faith at any point in
• 1:09:57
  and he's a little bit younger than I am not much
• 1:10:00
  In the Netherlands was a shoot, you know, it's
• 1:10:03
  like you're a weirdo. That's really Strange.
• 1:10:07
  What are you talking about? And what and that
• 1:10:11
  is still this way unless It's Islam Then it's
• 1:10:17
  groovy fantastic and awesome. That is what and
• 1:10:19
  it's not just Amsterdam. It is all of the Netherlands.
• 1:10:23
  It is a large portion of France, of Germany,
• 1:10:27
  of Scandinavia. I fear it may be irreversible.
• 1:10:32
  And so what you're seeing now, and I see this
• 1:10:36
  with many younger people who I know, my daughter
• 1:10:39
  lives there, my granddaughter lives there, is
• 1:10:43
  people are moving towards a spiritual thinking,
• 1:10:47
  but it's about, and you actually mentioned this
• 1:10:52
  specifically, manifesting. Intentions. Intentions.
• 1:10:59
  I think people have moved beyond the crystals
• 1:11:02
  and the singing bowls a little bit, but tarot
• 1:11:06
  cards are still there, astrology is still there,
• 1:11:10
  so that's people who are... searching, but they're
• 1:11:14
  afraid, Jimmy, they're afraid to even use the
• 1:11:17
  word God. And I know, because we did this silly
• 1:11:21
  reality show, which is more situated around my
• 1:11:26
  daughter and the baby, and Tina and I were a
• 1:11:28
  part of that, and I'm like, we're gonna pray
• 1:11:33
  at dinner, and I could see the, because there's
• 1:11:36
  a company producing this, they're like, Yeah,
• 1:11:39
  yeah, yeah. Let's zoom in. You know, they're
• 1:11:41
  praying. And we are holding on to Christina's
• 1:11:45
  belly, praying over the baby. And of course,
• 1:11:50
  I know how these things work. And I wanted to
• 1:11:52
  make sure that there was some good promotion
• 1:11:54
  for Jesus and for the show. And so we made sure
• 1:11:57
  that we cut that with Adam and all of his guns
• 1:12:01
  shooting whiskey bottles. And so it froze people's
• 1:12:06
  brains. Like, how can you be a Jesus lover and
• 1:12:09
  light guns. You know, I knew that would happen,
• 1:12:12
  but what it brought is it brought, this guy's
• 1:12:14
  not ashamed of his faith, nor is his wife, and
• 1:12:19
  his daughter seems to tolerate it okay. And that
• 1:12:24
  was my personal mission. I really wanted that
• 1:12:27
  to take place. And I've gotten a lot of feedback
• 1:12:29
  from that. People saying, hey, that was really
• 1:12:32
  great. Now I feel like I can talk about it. This
• 1:12:35
  decloaking is where we need to go, man. People
• 1:12:38
  are afraid. Be bold. Be bold. Everybody else
• 1:12:41
  is. Why can't we? Yes. It's so easy to go along
• 1:12:45
  to get along. Nobody's doing that anymore anywhere.
• 1:12:50
  That's old news anyway. Jesus is trending. Go
• 1:12:53
  look at your timeline. Come on. I'm telling you.
• 1:12:55
  Get strong. Get bold. Don't be ashamed of the
• 1:12:57
  gospel. De -cloak already. Be strong. Yes, de
• 1:13:00
  -cloak. Yeah, that's good. Well, I appreciate
• 1:13:03
  Jonathan Percluta. He's a evangelist. He does
• 1:13:06
  this thing called the porch. It's connected with
• 1:13:09
  Baylor University in Waco, Texas. They have thousands
• 1:13:12
  of young people, college students come to these
• 1:13:14
  services. He preaches and teaches there, but
• 1:13:17
  he's also part of the Unite US revival movement.
• 1:13:19
  Oh, the Go Around All the Colleges? Yeah, he's
• 1:13:21
  done hundreds of those. I mean, he's on all those
• 1:13:24
  campuses. So he's that guy. But I have another
• 1:13:28
  quote by him I'd like for you to play. And it's
• 1:13:30
  on his, this is Switching Gears, but this is
• 1:13:34
  so important. I'm trying to give our listeners,
• 1:13:37
  a picture of Christianity just from different
• 1:13:40
  angles. So this is a guy who preaches and teaches.
• 1:13:43
  He's teaching at a school, a seminary, for Christian
• 1:13:46
  students getting ready for ministry. He decides,
• 1:13:51
  I'm going to confess something that happened
• 1:13:53
  in the hotel last night before I preach. There
• 1:13:56
  is times I still have to confess before a sermon,
• 1:13:59
  hey, I did something last night that I would
• 1:14:02
  ask you not to do. And to be clear, to remove
• 1:14:04
  any mystery, what I mean by that is like, hey,
• 1:14:06
  I slowed down on a reel. On Instagram, I was
• 1:14:09
  looking and something caught my eye and I looked
• 1:14:12
  lustfully at an image and I want to confess that
• 1:14:15
  because I... don't want to hide it. You know,
• 1:14:18
  what you hide will take you out. That's what
• 1:14:20
  you said, obviously, 10 plus years ago. That's
• 1:14:22
  right. I remember. And I'll tell you another
• 1:14:24
  part of that story is then a seminary had asked
• 1:14:27
  me to come and speak on how to reach the next
• 1:14:29
  generation. And I told that story because the
• 1:14:32
  punchline is that night, it didn't have anything
• 1:14:34
  to do with the sermon. I prayed and then I preached
• 1:14:36
  a sermon that had nothing to do with that. And
• 1:14:38
  then that night was the longest line, and the
• 1:14:41
  security had to shut us down because at 11 p
• 1:14:43
  .m., we were still there meeting with people
• 1:14:45
  and nobody wanted to talk about the sermon. They
• 1:14:47
  were like, hey, I'm struggling too. Hey, how
• 1:14:49
  do I get free? How do I find free? I'm struggling.
• 1:14:51
  Me too, me too. And so I was like, had those
• 1:14:54
  conversations. And so I said that at a seminary
• 1:14:56
  who asked me how to reach the next generation.
• 1:14:58
  I said, they want somebody that's going to be
• 1:14:59
  real with them. And the feedback I got afterwards,
• 1:15:03
  because they filled out comment cards, was like,
• 1:15:05
  hey, how dare you? use the word pornography in
• 1:15:08
  a mixed gendered audience, and you have to present
• 1:15:10
  to be holy. I remember one said, you have to
• 1:15:12
  present to be holy. And I was reading these comic
• 1:15:14
  cards, and I just started weeping, like weeping
• 1:15:16
  hysterically, because I was like, they'll never
• 1:15:18
  reach them. Who said this? It was people who
• 1:15:22
  were preparing to be pastors, and they were at
• 1:15:25
  the seminary, and they wanted me to talk about,
• 1:15:27
  train them on how to reach the next generation.
• 1:15:29
  And they were saying, hey, you need to present
• 1:15:31
  to be holy. I was like, you're never going to
• 1:15:33
  reach the next generation. So, who were the people
• 1:15:36
  who were lined up that were just students? They
• 1:15:37
  were students, because it was a seminary, so
• 1:15:40
  they were students from all kinds of disciplines
• 1:15:42
  like psychology students. It's not just ministry.
• 1:15:46
  It's various things. And so they were all being
• 1:15:49
  touched saying, wow, this is my… They were like,
• 1:15:50
  I need to talk about this. So much so that at
• 1:15:53
  11 o 'clock they had to close the place down.
• 1:15:56
  all the proper students becoming pastors and
• 1:15:59
  ministers. How dare you do this? You've got to
• 1:16:01
  present holy. Wow. Yeah. Wow. That's the problem.
• 1:16:06
  And see, that is why the church made itself irrelevant
• 1:16:10
  to the world, because we quit talking about what
• 1:16:13
  was really going on. And now, of course, all
• 1:16:15
  that's getting blown up. So it's kind of like
• 1:16:18
  Netanyah, we have a saying, no secrets, no leverage.
• 1:16:21
  Yeah. Man, if there's no secrets in our lives,
• 1:16:24
  then the enemy has no leverage on us. I think
• 1:16:26
  he said it, I hope I can remember how he said
• 1:16:29
  it, but he said, what we hide... Will take you
• 1:16:34
  out. Will take you out. Yeah. Yeah. What we hide
• 1:16:39
  will take us out. Boy, isn't that the truth.
• 1:16:41
  It is so true. I mean, gosh, look at Robert Morris,
• 1:16:44
  30 years later, the secret he kept for 30 years
• 1:16:47
  blew his whole ministry and life up. He's out.
• 1:16:50
  He had one of the largest churches in America,
• 1:16:52
  but it's something he hid. The reason I brought
• 1:16:57
  that up is I appreciated Jonathan's honesty and
• 1:17:00
  transparency. We need more of that in the church
• 1:17:03
  where people will just say, man, I had a bad
• 1:17:05
  day. I had a bad night. I messed up. I made a
• 1:17:08
  mistake, but here's the deal. But because I outed
• 1:17:11
  that, there's grace. God's grace is sufficient.
• 1:17:15
  It's enough. It's interesting because on Sundays,
• 1:17:18
  everyone's like, hey, how you doing? I'm great.
• 1:17:19
  I'm great. How you doing? Oh, fantastic. Everyone's
• 1:17:21
  great. But then you go to men's ministry and
• 1:17:24
  it gets real. I'm like, okay, man, here's what
• 1:17:26
  I'm struggling with. Here's what I'm dealing
• 1:17:29
  with right now. Different atmosphere. And it's
• 1:17:31
  kind of crazy. By design, we designed the men's
• 1:17:34
  ministry to create safe spaces because you do
• 1:17:37
  need a place. You need a place to live up in
• 1:17:40
  a down world. high -five each other. But you
• 1:17:43
  also need a place to get real, and that's what
• 1:17:45
  that's for, by design. A couple of quick pieces
• 1:17:48
  of feedback. Justin says, thank you for the podcast,
• 1:17:52
  the commentary on culture and media, something
• 1:17:54
  vital that the church needs to engage in more.
• 1:17:58
  I'm not sure if you've heard of the new faith
• 1:17:59
  -based film that was released, Beyond Belief,
• 1:18:02
  set in the 1980s about a teen who forms a Christian
• 1:18:04
  garage band. Have you heard about this one? Yeah,
• 1:18:06
  yeah. It has to do with the band Petra. Oh, is
• 1:18:08
  that Petra? Well, he wanted to become a part
• 1:18:10
  of the band, Petra. So it's not their story.
• 1:18:13
  Totally. Oh, okay. Part of it. Streaming now
• 1:18:16
  is that I don't know but I want to see it because
• 1:18:18
  I didn't see a trailer for it. Yeah, excellent
• 1:18:21
  That's what I want to see Marion Marion passage
• 1:18:24
  of me now and thank you for yet another fantastic
• 1:18:26
  episode I'm excited to dive into wild at heart
• 1:18:28
  as it sounds incredibly enlightening. Yes, so
• 1:18:30
  I wrote her back and said it's a dude book I
• 1:18:34
  said, but there's a female version called captivated
• 1:18:37
  that Stacey Stacey Eldred Rote, his wife. Oh,
• 1:18:42
  okay. And Annette's read that, loved it. So,
• 1:18:45
  it's the counter. It's the other side. Connie
• 1:18:48
  from the Netherlands. Adam and Pastor Jimmy,
• 1:18:51
  thank you for your show. And I love it. I love
• 1:18:54
  that the Bible verses are mentioned. We also
• 1:18:56
  put them in the show notes at WGTDT .com. I am
• 1:18:59
  Dutch, so I don't always recognize them, but
• 1:19:02
  I can look them up in my Bible. God bless you,
• 1:19:04
  Connie. Beautiful. Beautiful, Connie. And that's
• 1:19:06
  why we're putting them on there. Yes. That's
• 1:19:08
  why we do it. And I guess, yeah, now we need
• 1:19:11
  to thank some people who have supported us, value
• 1:19:14
  for value, as that is the engine that drives
• 1:19:17
  us, besides Jesus, obviously, wgtdtdonations
• 1:19:22
  .com. While it's still relatively few, that means
• 1:19:26
  that we can thank everybody personally, and it's
• 1:19:29
  a joy to do that. I'll kick it off with Marco
• 1:19:31
  Mack, who comes in with $88 .88. We really appreciate
• 1:19:35
  that. That's great encouragement. says, thank
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  you, Adam and Pastor Jimmy, for being there.
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  I look forward to connecting with you in Fredericksburg
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  on October 17th at the meetup. Unfortunately,
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  you and Damon will not be there because you're
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  going to a funeral. We'll be at a funeral in
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  Nashville. But I will be there, and I'm pretty
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  sure Tina the Keeper will join me. And he will
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  be extending his stay so we can join our 9 a
• 1:20:00
  .m. Sunday service. Cool. Jill Price. Also, 8888.
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  Jimmy, you want to take that one? Yeah, yeah.
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  McKinney Texas, yay. And hope she's holding it
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  down for Christianity there. McKinney's on the
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  map right now for some not good reasons with
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  Islam stuff. But in the morning, Adam and Pastor
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  Jimmy, I'm sending a separate note. In the morning,
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  oh, she says it again. I started listening to
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  you after JCD's passing and have tried to go
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  all the way back to the beginning. It has been
• 1:20:27
  good for me to hear your insight on what is going
• 1:20:29
  on politically. and how to look at it and pray
• 1:20:32
  about it from a Christian perspective. I have
• 1:20:35
  a massive request. A friend of mine's son, Jack
• 1:20:37
  Maloof, needs major prayers. He's a 20 -year
• 1:20:40
  -old young man from Austin attending Austin Christian.
• 1:20:43
  He drove into a lake. He dove into a lake in
• 1:20:49
  Austin last week. The water was shallow. Oh my
• 1:20:51
  gosh. This is bad. He has a spinal cord injury
• 1:20:55
  that as of right now has paralyzed all four limbs.
• 1:20:59
  their current prayer is for him to be able to
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  breathe on his own. Wow. I'm going to for you
• 1:21:04
  the GoFundMe page. But what she's asking for
• 1:21:07
  is prayer that even our get -to nation would
• 1:21:10
  just take this on as a prayer. So let me get
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  his name again. It's Jack is his name, Maloof,
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  God knows who he is. And this is from Jill Price.
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  So man, just all the army out there, all the
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  nation, let's keep him in prayer. and hold them
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  up and just pray for a breakthrough. So let me
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  pray right now. Father, I lift up Jack Maloof.
• 1:21:32
  Just such a heartbreaking story here and event
• 1:21:36
  that has happened. We pray for a breakthrough
• 1:21:38
  in his life that you would touch him physically
• 1:21:40
  and his family, Lord, and his friends, just the
• 1:21:43
  ripple effect of people that have been impacted
• 1:21:45
  by this accident. We pray for a breakthrough.
• 1:21:48
  Holy Spirit, we ask you to do what only you can
• 1:21:50
  do in this situation. she would bring healing
• 1:21:53
  where it doesn't seem possible. You'll make a
• 1:21:56
  way where there seems to be no way on Jack's
• 1:21:58
  behalf. Again, we lift up Jill, their family,
• 1:22:01
  his family, and we just put our faith together
• 1:22:04
  and ask you, Lord, to do something that's miraculous
• 1:22:07
  in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Wow. Dame Teresa
• 1:22:11
  Martin. Now, this came in as a check. through
• 1:22:14
  the PL box, which you can find at WGTDTdonations
• 1:22:18
  .com. 7777, we love this. Dear Adam, Pastor Jimmy,
• 1:22:22
  I'm loving WGTDT! It's wonderful to get the media
• 1:22:26
  deconstruction from a fully Christian worldview
• 1:22:28
  here. God honored throughout, and I come away
• 1:22:31
  so encouraged. I still enjoy No Agenda, but this
• 1:22:34
  podcast resonates more fully with my soul. Sincerely,
• 1:22:38
  Dame Teresa Martin from Camarillo, California.
• 1:22:41
  Just have a PS. Adam, thank you for calming me
• 1:22:44
  down about AI. I downloaded the Muse robot thing.
• 1:22:47
  Yeah, there you go. Call it the robot. And I've
• 1:22:49
  found it a very, very useful tool for my tasks
• 1:22:51
  and chores. It frees up my time by working quietly
• 1:22:54
  in the background on the mind -numbing busy work
• 1:22:56
  in a day. Excellent. It's what it's for. Love
• 1:22:59
  hearing that. Man, that's great. Dame Teresa.
• 1:23:02
  All right, we got $51 .99 from Ryan Albatron,
• 1:23:07
  Albaton, Albritton, Albritton, Albritton, Albritton,
• 1:23:12
  and no note. Marian Roman O 'Brien with $50,
• 1:23:16
  and oh, there's Ryan again with $50. Oh, another
• 1:23:20
  $50. Hey, we'll take it. And now we know where
• 1:23:22
  he's from, Greenville, Greenville, North Carolina.
• 1:23:24
  There you go. Justin Zetzer with $50, thank you.
• 1:23:29
  From Batavia. That's interesting. I don't have
• 1:23:33
  these on my spreadsheet. I've got them on the
• 1:23:36
  PDF. Shelley Carpenter from Mooresville, North
• 1:23:39
  Carolina. We know Shelley. $30. Thank you, Shelley.
• 1:23:42
  I feel it's only fitting to give y 'all instead
• 1:23:45
  of Zuckerberg for the news tip. I appreciate
• 1:23:49
  that, Shelley. That's cool. Love that. Can you
• 1:23:52
  do the rest, brother? Because I don't have the
• 1:23:53
  location. Yeah. So, Andrew Bader from Brookheaven,
• 1:23:56
  Pennsylvania, 1111. Cool. Fear is not sufficient
• 1:23:59
  for salvation. Only faith is. Thank you for trying
• 1:24:02
  to encourage believers to not take the bait.
• 1:24:05
  A fearful Christian either isn't or is immature.
• 1:24:11
  Sorry. A fearful Christian either isn't or is
• 1:24:14
  immature. God has already won. Indeed, brother.
• 1:24:18
  John's Creek Studios LLC, no location there,
• 1:24:22
  $5 .65. Nicholas Start, no location, $5 .00.
• 1:24:28
  Dwayne Spellman Jr., $1 .53, faithful as always.
• 1:24:33
  And Michael Mason, $1 .21. He says, this week
• 1:24:35
  I would like to donate $1 .21 for Jude 121, NIV.
• 1:24:40
  Keep yourselves in God's love as you wait for
• 1:24:42
  the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you
• 1:24:44
  eternal life. Have a blessed week." So, I want
• 1:24:47
  to get him in the Psalms because there's 150
• 1:24:49
  of those. That would bump up his donation considerably.
• 1:24:55
  Hey, Michael, get into the Psalms, brother. Hey,
• 1:24:58
  so appreciate that. I love the correlation with
• 1:25:00
  Scripture there. That's cool, Michael. Just messing
• 1:25:02
  with you. That's it. Thank you all so much for
• 1:25:05
  supporting us. Value for value, time, talent,
• 1:25:08
  treasure. The best thing you can do is tell somebody
• 1:25:10
  about the podcast. Get them subscribed to it.
• 1:25:14
  Go to WGTDT .com. That's where you can subscribe
• 1:25:18
  to our sub stack. You don't have to pay for it
• 1:25:20
  only if you want to. And we have a donation page,
• 1:25:23
  WGTDTdonations .com. Pastor Jimmy, please take
• 1:25:26
  us out with a daily grind. All right. Well, this
• 1:25:28
  is the daily grind and today's scripture is Matthew
• 1:25:31
  chapter 9 verse verses 37 and 38. Then he said
• 1:25:36
  to his disciples, the harvest is truly plentiful,
• 1:25:38
  but the laborers are few. Therefore pray the
• 1:25:41
  Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into
• 1:25:44
  his harvest. The title of today's Daily Grind
• 1:25:46
  is The Gospel Cannot Stay Silent. As it was in
• 1:25:50
  Jesus' day, so it is today. The harvest is plentiful.
• 1:25:54
  However, we must have laborers who are willing
• 1:25:57
  to freely and readily share their faith. It's
• 1:25:59
  not the harvest that's the issue, it's the harvesters.
• 1:26:03
  I sense the Lord is imparting the spirit and
• 1:26:05
  gift of evangelism to those who are willing to
• 1:26:08
  step forward and say, here I am, send me. If
• 1:26:12
  the gospel really is good news to you, then step
• 1:26:15
  out into the fields and let's bring in the harvest.
• 1:26:18
  So for today, look for opportunities to share
• 1:26:21
  your good news story today. It doesn't have to
• 1:26:24
  be an hour long presentation, simply remind someone
• 1:26:27
  that Jesus loves them and has an amazing plan
• 1:26:30
  for their life. And here's today's prayer. Father,
• 1:26:33
  here I am. Send me into your harvest fields.
• 1:26:36
  I trust you will give me what to say as I step
• 1:26:39
  out in faith to share the good news of Jesus.
• 1:26:42
  In Jesus' name, I pray. Amen.