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BONUS: Juck's Initial Takeaways From Ohio State's Win Over Indiana · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Speaker 1: And welcome into the Buckeye Insiders postgame show. Joining you
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Speaker 1: here from the field here at Memorial Stadium in Bloomington, Indiana,
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Speaker 1: as the Buckeyes pull off the win 19-15.
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Speaker 2: And it wasn't pretty. It didn't need to be.
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Speaker 1: 19-15 is all it took to break a 22-game winning streak.
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Speaker 1: And the defending national champions take their first L in
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Speaker 1: a long, long time since, what, 2024? Yeah. when, boy,
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Speaker 1: they lost to Notre Dame, and before that, Ohio State.
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Speaker 1: So two of their last three losses come to Ohio
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Speaker 1: State in a huge game, I thought, for Ryan Day
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Speaker 1: coming into this thing. He absolutely could not fall to
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Speaker 1: one and two against Kurt Cignetti, who has walked into
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Speaker 1: the Big Ten, and all of a sudden, everyone calls
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Speaker 1: the best coach in the Big Ten, the best coach
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Speaker 1: in college football. Could not happen for Ryan Day, and
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Speaker 1: despite him, at times, I thought, maybe making some interesting decisions,
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Speaker 1: that weren't helping his cause, and we'll talk about those.
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Speaker 1: The Buckeyes did what they had to do today to
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Speaker 1: get the win in a really tough environment. The atmosphere
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Speaker 1: was amazing. This is the smallest school for a national
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Speaker 1: championship winning program since 1990.
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Speaker 2: The smallest, I'm sorry, the smallest stadium. 53,000 seats here
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Speaker 2: at Memorial Stadium.
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Speaker 1: The weather, it was chilly early, and now it's kind
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Speaker 1: of warming up, but the crowd was raucous. There were
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Speaker 1: not as many It's kind of hard to tell, right,
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Speaker 1: with the same kind of color scheme here. They obviously
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Speaker 1: wear crimson. Ohio State wears scarlet. And it's hard to tell,
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Speaker 1: but when the towels get going, they gave out towels today,
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Speaker 1: Tyreek Tucker towels, you could really tell that this was
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Speaker 1: a very, very heavily Indiana fan crowd. And it's not
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Speaker 1: always like that here in Bloomington. But this was a
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Speaker 1: huge game for them. Obviously, their first top five game
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Speaker 1: in program history. And they were out in full force.
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Speaker 1: And for all the Buckeye fans in the chat who
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Speaker 1: aren't feeling so good about this win, I promise you,
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Speaker 1: they were all real sad leaving. So you should feel
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Speaker 1: pretty good about that. Because a win is a win.
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Speaker 1: Survive in advance. And obviously, you've got a bye week now.
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Speaker 1: It sounds like there are some injuries. I wasn't able
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Speaker 1: to hear the postgame show or the postgame interview with
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Speaker 1: Coach Day. So if any of you could tell me
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Speaker 1: what you heard about Julian saying as I was setting
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Speaker 1: up here, I'm not sure. But... Julian saying we've talked
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Speaker 1: about him. We talked about him all week. What was
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Speaker 1: he going to do in this game? This was a
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Speaker 1: huge game to me for Julian saying, because when you
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Speaker 1: look at Julian in the last couple of big games
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Speaker 1: against Texas, then against Miami last season and against Indiana
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Speaker 1: in the big 10 championship, didn't really play his best
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Speaker 1: in those big games.
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Speaker 2: And then we see him come out in this game.
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Speaker 1: His opportunity to not be a passenger on this team,
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Speaker 1: but to be the driver, to be the guy that
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Speaker 1: leads this team. And in the first half, I think
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Speaker 1: he was about 50% completion percentage.
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Speaker 2: His balls were spraying everywhere.
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Speaker 1: The guy that is, you know, last year was the
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Speaker 1: most accurate quarterback in college football, sans the big games.
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Speaker 1: And that was maybe the least accurate I have ever
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Speaker 1: seen him play was today in the biggest game.
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Speaker 2: Of the year thus far.
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Speaker 1: Certainly not an encouraging thing when you look at his
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Speaker 1: last four big time games, but certainly the win is
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Speaker 1: the win is a win and we'll see how long
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Speaker 1: he's out. As any of you guys have an idea, Julian,
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Speaker 1: the California crumbler saying, thank you TK for the super chat.
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Speaker 1: TK says, they said saying we'll be out several weeks.
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Speaker 1: So he has already got a confirmation that he'll be
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Speaker 1: out several weeks. That's interesting. That is really quick to
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Speaker 1: get confirmation from that. Obviously, I saw the hit, and
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Speaker 1: Tony and I rewound that thing and looked at it
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Speaker 1: a couple times. And it was Mario Landino, who I
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Speaker 1: really liked. That dude's a stud. But he put it
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Speaker 1: on him in an awkward position here. And, Justin, you
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Speaker 1: guys are something, man. Look, I know that this was
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Speaker 1: an ugly win.
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Speaker 2: I know it was, guys.
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Speaker 1: But a top five win is a top five win.
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Speaker 1: We still, I don't think, and I don't think I
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Speaker 1: knew coming into this game, how good Indiana was. I
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Speaker 1: think that was, I had a hard time predicting what
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Speaker 1: I thought might happen in this game because I just
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Speaker 1: don't have a handle on how good Indiana is. And
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Speaker 1: I think we come out of this game. I still
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Speaker 1: don't really know how good Indiana is. And when you
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Speaker 1: look at the rest of their schedule, their roughest game
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Speaker 1: remaining on their schedule is going to be Michigan next week.
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Speaker 1: And there'll be heavy favorites against Michigan, but that is
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Speaker 1: the toughest game they got for the rest of the year.
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Speaker 2: So they're likely to finish this season. 11-1. As the
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Speaker 2: Buckeyes now move to 6-1.
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Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to know how good Indiana
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Speaker 1: is really until the playoffs. And a lot of that
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Speaker 1: dictates how we feel about an Ohio State win, right?
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Speaker 2: How good is the opponent? Well, they're good enough to
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Speaker 2: be top five.
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Speaker 1: The defending champ, they brought back seven of those 11
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Speaker 1: guys on defense, and they're.
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Speaker 2: Good, man. They're good. What else did we talk about
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Speaker 2: all week? Elite movement.
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Speaker 1: Tyler Bowen and his offensive line unit. How did you
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Speaker 1: think his offensive line unit did with elite movement?
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you this.
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Speaker 1: They had, they gave up four sacks to Julian saying
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Speaker 1: they gave up five last year. So that's an improvement.
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Speaker 1: You had filled the annuals and gave Ben sick. Well,
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Speaker 1: those two haven't played together since last year against Miami,
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Speaker 1: which was a performance so bad. We don't even need
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Speaker 1: to get into it, but that's the last time those
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Speaker 1: two started together. I actually thought that they weren't terrible today.
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Speaker 1: I thought it was an okay performance by both of them.
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Speaker 1: They certainly both had errors, right? Big, glaring errors. We
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Speaker 1: saw Phil let the fumble happen. He recovered the fumble.
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Speaker 1: Props to him for recovering the fumble. But Gabe Van
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Speaker 1: Sickle had a couple of penalties. I thought that in
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Speaker 1: the blocking game, the worst part of the blocking game
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Speaker 1: today was the tight ends. And one of the more
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Speaker 1: puzzling things that we did see was last year coming
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Speaker 1: out of that Indiana game, The biggest thing that was
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Speaker 1: the issue in that game, you were one for four
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Speaker 1: trips scoring a touchdown in the red zone last year.
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Speaker 1: And we all came out of that game saying, well,
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Speaker 1: you used the tight end bonanza strategy, took Jeremiah off
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Speaker 1: the field, took your wide receivers off the field, and
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Speaker 1: you got three and four tight ends in the red zone.
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Speaker 1: And it's almost like there's no chance that's going to
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Speaker 1: happen again in this game.
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Speaker 2: And boy, did it absolutely happen. It absolutely happened. I
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Speaker 2: couldn't believe it. I was stunned.
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Speaker 1: They literally had Max LeBlanc, Nate Roberts, and Mason Williams
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Speaker 1: paired with Jeremiah. At least Jeremiah was one of the
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Speaker 1: four in the first red zone possession. And, of course,
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Speaker 1: they had even more over here on this end of
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Speaker 1: the field. They brought in Bennett Christian along with those
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Speaker 1: three at one point. And for three of the four downs,
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Speaker 1: they ended up going for it on fourth and hitting Bowe.
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Speaker 1: On fourth down, fourth down was the only one they
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Speaker 1: didn't have the tight end Bonanza on the field. They
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Speaker 1: actually put the wide receivers on the field, spread it out,
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Speaker 1: and what do you know, Bowe's wide open. And that,
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Speaker 1: to me, blows my mind. It really blows my mind
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Speaker 1: after last year. So some interesting coaching decisions. I thought
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Speaker 1: at the end of the game, you're looking at, I
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Speaker 1: don't know, man, you're in the biggest spot of the game,
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Speaker 1: and they did the defensive line rotation change where you're
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Speaker 1: bringing in all the second stringers, Bowe Atkinson, James Smith,
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Speaker 1: So that was really odd to me. But surely we
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Speaker 1: had some guys here that played some awesome games. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you know, there were some interesting coaching decisions. But definitely,
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Speaker 1: we certainly want to shout out Jay Timmons when we
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Speaker 1: look at our players of the game who's getting those
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Speaker 1: Buckeye stickers. Jay Timmons was fantastic with five solo tackles,
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Speaker 1: two pass breakups, a forced fumble, and one absolute shot
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Speaker 1: where he.
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Speaker 2: Could have decapitated somebody.
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Speaker 1: And instead, he got him right up underneath his breastbone, which,
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Speaker 1: you know, you don't often see young guys like that
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Speaker 1: make good decisions like that in the middle of a
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Speaker 1: play moving 100 miles an hour.
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Speaker 2: So big props to him.
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Speaker 1: You know, when you flip around on the other side
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Speaker 1: of things and you look at Jermaine Matthews, who is
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Speaker 1: a senior, right, the drive of the game, Indiana's got
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Speaker 1: the ball, and Jermaine Matthews gets a penalty.
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Speaker 2: Now, you can say whatever you want.
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Speaker 1: Did he deserve to get a penalty? You don't put
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Speaker 1: yourself in the situation for it to even be close
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Speaker 1: when you're a senior. And that's the difference, man. Jay
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Speaker 1: Timmons is an absolute All-American. He's going to be an
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Speaker 1: absolute dude. I mean, he's just fantastic. And he was
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Speaker 1: fantastic out there today. He was so good. Also, let's
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Speaker 1: shout out Chris Henry Jr. for one of our Buckeye
8:47
Speaker 1: Leos here. Chris Henry Jr. comes in, and in the
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Speaker 1: first half, I think we had two third-down conversions on
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Speaker 1: pass completions. One of them was to Jeremiah. The other
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Speaker 1: one was to Chris Henry Jr., and it was a
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Speaker 1: sensational catch. And then he had another really good one
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Speaker 1: where he sat down in the zone and made sure
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Speaker 1: he didn't run through it like you see so many
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Speaker 1: young guys. And Julian hit him for that, so that
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Speaker 1: was fantastic. In the running game, neither of these teams
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Speaker 1: could run. I'm talking, what are the stats here? When
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Speaker 1: we look at the running game, we have got 2.1
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Speaker 1: yards of carry for Ohio State, 2.5 yards of carry
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Speaker 1: for Indiana. hey, whatever, as long as you can hit
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Speaker 1: explosives in the passing game, and the Buckeyes hit explosives.
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Speaker 1: I don't have the stat broadcast up, which gives me
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Speaker 1: the really good explosive stats. Hang on, I got it here.
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Speaker 1: So when I was looking at halftime, I think Ohio
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Speaker 1: State had six explosives and Indiana had two. Now, after
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Speaker 1: the first half, Buckeyes were pretty much leading in every
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Speaker 1: statistical category. And then in the second half, Indiana really–
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Speaker 1: really tied it up kind of with everything is, Josh Hoover,
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Speaker 1: who was just so inaccurate in the first half. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I think he, for as inaccurate as Julian was, he
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Speaker 1: was even more inaccurate. In the first half today, Hoover
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Speaker 1: was maybe 40% completion percentage. He ends up finishing. He
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Speaker 1: had a better second half. He was 20 for 40.
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Speaker 1: So he improved to 50%. Julian saying was 15 of 29.
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Speaker 1: So just a scoach over 50% for Julian saying, who again,
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Speaker 1: last year was at this point in time in the
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Speaker 1: conversation to set the all time record for accuracy. And
10:36
Speaker 1: it was, you know, pushing Will Howard for the most
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Speaker 1: games with 80% plus completion percentage. So, really strange when
10:45
Speaker 1: we've seen how he's kind of regressed in that department
10:48
Speaker 1: as today there was just errant pass after errant pass
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Speaker 1: and there was a point where 12 straight or in
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Speaker 1: a there was a period of 12 passes he threw
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Speaker 1: where he completed two of those 12 passes i think
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Speaker 1: it was uh eight incompletions in a row then he
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Speaker 1: completed one incompletion completed one then a couple more incompletions
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Speaker 1: i mean i don't know i don't know what you
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Speaker 1: do with that and and it wasn't guys that were
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Speaker 1: you know had super sticky coverage. He was just missing
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Speaker 1: balls like we don't see him usually miss. And then
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Speaker 1: when you end the game like this with him getting
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Speaker 1: knocked out and potentially being out for a couple of weeks,
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Speaker 1: and thank goodness there is a bye week.
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Speaker 2: Look, the Luke Fahey situation.
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Speaker 1: And I'm sure a lot of people want to talk
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Speaker 1: about the Luke Fahey situation, and I did see some
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Speaker 1: comments about Tabian St.
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Speaker 2: Clair. That is obviously not happening, right?
11:38
Speaker 1: The Tabian St. Clair is pretty far behind Luke Fahey,
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Speaker 1: as far as I understand it. And, you know, you
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Speaker 1: would have to be because there's no way this is
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Speaker 1: close and you're putting in the true freshman, right? You're
11:52
Speaker 1: going to put in a guy who's been in your
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Speaker 1: system for a year. If this is close, a guy
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Speaker 1: who's bigger and stronger and can run. Now, Fahey can
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Speaker 1: run too. And we saw that today. Unfortunately, it was
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Speaker 1: a third and 28 or maybe he had a shot.
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Speaker 1: But as far as can Fahey play as Mike Sypax,
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Speaker 1: I think Fahey can play. He came in in an
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Speaker 1: awful spot today, right? What can you expect out of
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Speaker 1: him in a spot like this? Again, top five matchup
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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, starting quarterback gets run out. You're
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Speaker 1: a true freshman. The only time he's ever played in
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Speaker 1: a game, it's been a blowout against the.
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Speaker 2: Mac team, right?
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Speaker 1: He's played in two blowouts against the Mac team. And
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Speaker 1: in both of those games did very well. Well, this
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Speaker 1: is quite a step up, right? Top five game when
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Speaker 1: it actually counts. And gosh, man, the way this puppy ended,
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Speaker 1: I think that the collective holding of the breath when
12:44
Speaker 1: he caught that pass in the end zone here at
12:46
Speaker 1: the end of this game was just– you want to
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Speaker 1: talk about an ending. That was insane. And you could
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Speaker 1: see that Marsh knew immediately that he didn't catch it.
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Speaker 1: He put his hands on his head. But all the
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Speaker 1: crowd really thought that he caught it at first. As
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Speaker 1: XJ thinks that Fahey cannot play.
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Speaker 2: I don't know why you think that. If it's just
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Speaker 2: off today, I promise you, give him some time. He
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Speaker 2: can play.
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Speaker 1: Eric Tell says Tyler Bowen can kick rocks. Now, to me,
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Speaker 1: this was an absolute show-me game for Tyler Bowen. And,
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Speaker 1: you know, we've got to watch the film here before
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Speaker 1: you can give a fully accurate assessment. But it was
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Speaker 1: a show-me game. We're talking a year and a half
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Speaker 1: on the job. Elite movement is what he said they
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Speaker 1: struggled with. And today, the elite movement, four sacks, it's
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Speaker 1: not good enough. And that's just what it is. I
13:33
Speaker 1: don't know what else you can do here with a
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Speaker 1: guy like Tyler Bowen who can recruit really good, but
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Speaker 1: he needs some help, man, because after this long on
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Speaker 1: the job, these same guys should be doing better with
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Speaker 1: the same old thing, and I did catch the end
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Speaker 1: of Luke Montgomery talking and saying, yeah, we need to
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Speaker 1: do better with movement and stuff, and it's just, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you do, you do, but you've been saying the same
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Speaker 1: thing since last year at this time, last year, Purdue,
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Speaker 1: last year, Wisconsin, certainly last year, Wisconsin and Miami, and
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Speaker 1: Not good enough.
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Speaker 2: It's just not. But there are a lot of things
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Speaker 2: that are really good.
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Speaker 1: I thought that Edgar Houston played another really good game.
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Speaker 1: I thought that Will Smith had a really nice play today.
14:18
Speaker 1: I thought Jason Moore had a couple of really nice plays.
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Speaker 1: And I'm not quite sure what happened with Kenyatta. We
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Speaker 1: did see him go out. He was grabbing his knee.
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Speaker 1: And that is certainly concerning because you do not have
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Speaker 1: much depth there that you can trust to play and
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Speaker 1: come in. without that ceiling dropping considerably, and that is
14:40
Speaker 1: a real bummer there. But Kwe Roo saw, once again,
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Speaker 1: good in the run game, and that is a revelation.
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Speaker 1: Zion Grady, we saw a little bit of him, and
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Speaker 1: Zion has not been getting much runs since he's gotten
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Speaker 1: back from his injury.
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Speaker 2: It was interesting.
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Speaker 1: We were talking back when Grady was out and the
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Speaker 1: defensive line wasn't performing very well, like, you know, we'll
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Speaker 1: wait until Grady gets back, then things will be much better.
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Speaker 2: Well, Grady's back. He's not getting much runs.
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Speaker 1: I'm interested to see the snap count here, but I
15:07
Speaker 1: don't feel like he played too much today. But back
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Speaker 1: to some of these stats, I think some of them
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Speaker 1: are interesting here. So Bo Jackson did carry the ball
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Speaker 1: 18 times and Tony and I, and Tom were talking
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Speaker 1: in the show last night and we were talking about
15:23
Speaker 1: the stat that Tony pulled up. So an Ohio state
15:25
Speaker 1: running back gets 20 carries and they've won 31 straight
15:29
Speaker 1: over the last 10 years. If an Ohio state back
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Speaker 1: gets 30 carries now, Bo Jackson, Had a 12-yarder. He
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Speaker 1: averaged 3.1 yards a carry, 56 yards on those 18 carries.
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Speaker 1: That's not a great average, but you'll take it, 3.1
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Speaker 1: a carry in a game like this, so long as
15:47
Speaker 1: you keep the chains moving.
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Speaker 2: And a couple times he did.
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Speaker 1: I did think there were a couple more times where
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Speaker 1: we saw him get out kind of in the open
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Speaker 1: field and just kind of run to contact instead of
15:57
Speaker 1: try to put a move on somebody. But at this point,
16:00
Speaker 1: that just is who Bo is. I don't think that's
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Speaker 1: ever going to change. They can try to coach it
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Speaker 1: as much as they want to. But, you know, we
16:07
Speaker 1: can just be happy when he gets past the linebacker
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Speaker 1: because that's all.
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Speaker 2: We're going to get. Isaiah West.
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Speaker 1: This was in my pregame notes. You know, Isaiah West
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Speaker 1: had that play last week against Maryland. And that was
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Speaker 1: the one play he played where he didn't pick up
16:23
Speaker 1: that block and also didn't give the quarterback a target
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Speaker 1: for relief.
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Speaker 2: Pick six.
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Speaker 1: Looked like he didn't hustle. And a lot of people
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Speaker 1: thought because of that, we wouldn't see Isaiah. Now I
16:34
Speaker 1: think that Isaiah is a very trusted member of this team.
16:37
Speaker 1: He's a really mature young guy. And I certainly thought
16:40
Speaker 1: that we would see him today. And we did as
16:42
Speaker 1: Isaiah West rushes six times for 45 yards, 7.5 yards
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Speaker 1: of carry leading all running backs. He had a long
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Speaker 1: of 22. He looked great doing it. And to me,
16:54
Speaker 1: Isaiah West needs more run. He needs more run. a
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Speaker 1: 22 yarder, you know, that bows 20 plus yarder to
17:02
Speaker 1: get a touchdown against Maryland last week. I feel like
17:05
Speaker 1: it was his longest run in a long, long time.
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Speaker 1: Isaiah gets six carries and he pops one just like that.
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Speaker 1: Now legend Bay, we did see legend. I thought that
17:14
Speaker 1: maybe we would see legend utilized in a different way,
17:18
Speaker 1: but we did see legend with three carries for a
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Speaker 1: total of six yards. And I tweeted this one. There
17:23
Speaker 1: is a, a shot that I tweeted earlier. It's got Legend,
17:29
Speaker 1: and he is coming out on a sweep, and you
17:31
Speaker 1: have got Bennett Christian, Mason Williams, and Ian Moore all
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Speaker 1: chasing their block. The guy they're supposed to be blocking
17:38
Speaker 1: is all three of those guys converge on Legend Bay
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Speaker 1: for a loss. Again, it comes down to blocking. It
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Speaker 1: wasn't anywhere good enough today. It was good enough to win, right?
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Speaker 1: But it wasn't good enough in a way that makes
17:49
Speaker 1: you feel confident moving forward. They need to get better.
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Speaker 2: Jeremiah.
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Speaker 1: In a game where I think we all thought that
17:57
Speaker 1: Jeremiah would certainly be a massive part of it, if
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Speaker 1: Jeremiah doesn't catch that touchdown and bail Julian out, which
18:03
Speaker 1: was not a very good pass, I mean, what does
18:07
Speaker 1: he have? Because he only finished with four for 68,
18:10
Speaker 1: and Julian was sailing him over his head. I think
18:14
Speaker 1: he had four targets at halftime. I don't think he
18:16
Speaker 1: got involved at all. for geez, it felt like, I
18:19
Speaker 1: don't know, Julian had thrown six to eight passes before
18:22
Speaker 1: he even was able to get a target to Jeremiah.
18:25
Speaker 1: And I guess credit to Indiana. They said that they
18:27
Speaker 1: weren't going to let 46 Jones, Isaiah Jones, their linebacker
18:32
Speaker 1: from Ohio said, we're not going to get torched by
18:34
Speaker 1: the guy who's torching the rest of the country.
18:37
Speaker 2: And they didn't, they didn't.
18:39
Speaker 1: But Jeremiah came through and you absolutely needed the most.
18:42
Speaker 1: That touchdown doesn't hit. And we're probably looking at a
18:45
Speaker 1: different result here. So Jeremiah four for 68, you had
18:49
Speaker 1: Chris Henry with two receptions guys, just 15 receptions on
18:54
Speaker 1: the day.
18:54
Speaker 2: I mean, that is terrible.
18:58
Speaker 1: Chris Henry with two for 51 Mason Williams, two for 45.
19:02
Speaker 1: And he had those early right there on the, there
19:04
Speaker 1: was the first two passes of the game. Weren't they
19:06
Speaker 1: Mason Williams one and two 45 yards. And that's all
19:10
Speaker 1: we saw to him. Devin McEwen two for 23. Nate
19:15
Speaker 1: Roberts caught one for 18. Phil Bell, Phil Bell had
19:18
Speaker 1: a clutch one for 12 yards. Isaiah West, one for 10.
19:21
Speaker 1: Brandon Innes, one for six. And that was a really
19:24
Speaker 1: nice catch by B.I. And then Bo Jackson, one for
19:28
Speaker 1: two for a total of 235 yards. Now, Indiana on
19:31
Speaker 1: the other side, 296 yards passing that this Buckeyes defense
19:36
Speaker 1: gave up.
19:36
Speaker 2: But they were playing pretty lights out in the first half.
19:39
Speaker 1: Or you could say, you know, there were some guys
19:42
Speaker 1: running open and Hoover was just missing it. However you
19:44
Speaker 1: choose to look at it, I'm going to choose to
19:46
Speaker 1: be positive today because we just got a top five win.
19:49
Speaker 1: But Charlie Beckers. did catch nine for 165. He's a monster, man.
19:54
Speaker 1: He is a monster. Nick Marsh, three for 57 and
19:57
Speaker 1: could have potentially given us a very different mood here
20:02
Speaker 1: exiting this game. On the defensive side of the ball,
20:06
Speaker 1: as I said, they had four sacks. They had six
20:09
Speaker 1: total tackles for loss. The Buckeyes had two tackles for
20:13
Speaker 1: loss and one sack. So another question I had coming
20:17
Speaker 1: into this was Matt Patricia. How aggressive was Matt Patricia
20:20
Speaker 1: going to be? And my thought was, and Tony was
20:24
Speaker 1: with me here, that you can't play Hoover like you
20:27
Speaker 1: played Arch Manning. You don't need to really worry about
20:29
Speaker 1: him running as much. He has, you know, it's just
20:33
Speaker 1: not what he's done in his career, despite 31 yards
20:35
Speaker 1: rushing runs. last week against Nebraska. It's not really who
20:38
Speaker 1: he is. So you don't need to play this super
20:41
Speaker 1: cautious game. You certainly don't need to drop eight in
20:44
Speaker 1: the first series. I believe there were two consecutive passing
20:47
Speaker 1: plays where Ohio state only rushed three and dropped eight.
20:51
Speaker 1: And it was just like, well, that's ridiculous. And then
20:54
Speaker 1: on top of it, he missed wide open receivers. So
20:57
Speaker 1: if you're going to drop eight, there better not be
20:59
Speaker 1: anybody running wide open.
21:01
Speaker 2: And there was now Devin Sanchez. It's strange, man.
21:06
Speaker 1: You know, I think we all expected coming into this
21:08
Speaker 1: year that Devin Sanchez was certainly not going to be
21:11
Speaker 1: a guy that struggled. I think most of us thought
21:14
Speaker 1: he was more going to be closer to the all American.
21:16
Speaker 1: And I don't think he struggled today, but it is
21:18
Speaker 1: strange that we continually to see him kind of be
21:22
Speaker 1: the guy that other quarterbacks are throwing at. I didn't
21:24
Speaker 1: expect that. He didn't play the best game, but you know,
21:32
Speaker 1: it is interesting. Oh, Christian Allegro had that really nice play.
21:35
Speaker 1: where he looped around and ended up making Hoover throw
21:40
Speaker 1: it out of his hand pretty quick. Now, Ohio State,
21:49
Speaker 1: if we're looking at special teams today, I think we
21:52
Speaker 1: may be looking at the second week in a row
21:54
Speaker 1: where Ohio State won the special team battle.
21:59
Speaker 2: Let's see here.
22:00
Speaker 1: Joe McGuire with five punts for an average of 44.
22:04
Speaker 1: Billy Gowers with four punts, an average of 42.3. And
22:09
Speaker 1: I believe we saw Joe McGuire put it inside the
22:12
Speaker 1: 20 once. I think the other guy did as well.
22:15
Speaker 1: But Connor Hawkins, two for two on field goals. Niko
22:19
Speaker 1: Radicic on the other side. When Indiana had it, I
22:24
Speaker 1: believe it was fourth and six. And their option was
22:28
Speaker 1: kick a, was it a 55-yarder, 55-yard attempt? And they
22:34
Speaker 1: chose to do that instead of go for it. You
22:36
Speaker 1: got to know your kicker, man. I heard that come
22:38
Speaker 1: off of his foot. It sounded weak and it was
22:41
Speaker 1: 10 yards short. So that ended up being a bad
22:45
Speaker 1: decision for them. But I was also very nervous when
22:50
Speaker 1: we talk about Indiana with Turbo and Lee Beebe as
22:55
Speaker 1: these guys have busted off so many explosives this year.
22:59
Speaker 2: Indiana's lived on explosives. And I didn't think if they.
23:02
Speaker 1: if they didn't hit explosives today, I didn't think they
23:04
Speaker 1: were going to be able to consistently move the ball.
23:06
Speaker 1: And it turns out that was right. And they didn't
23:08
Speaker 1: hit many explosives, but Hoover in the first half was
23:14
Speaker 1: six for 15 for 77 yards. When you're playing against
23:17
Speaker 1: a quarterback who is six for 15 for 77 yards, man,
23:23
Speaker 1: I don't feel like it should be anywhere close to
23:25
Speaker 1: be honest.
23:26
Speaker 2: He was just bad.
23:28
Speaker 1: And I'm, I'm wondering how Indiana fans are feeling. Like
23:31
Speaker 1: I know some of the Buckeye fans are feeling bad
23:33
Speaker 1: coming out of this as you win. And imagine looking
23:36
Speaker 1: at that guy and thinking, man, we got to ride
23:38
Speaker 1: the rest of the year with him.
23:40
Speaker 2: That was rough.
23:41
Speaker 1: That was really, really rough. A few other things before
23:46
Speaker 1: we get to your questions here or comments. Once again,
23:53
Speaker 1: I thought that Nate Roberts played a really good game.
23:55
Speaker 2: We only saw him catch the ball one time.
23:58
Speaker 1: I would have liked it if he were targeted more,
24:01
Speaker 1: but I thought he played really good in the blocking game.
24:04
Speaker 1: I think that he was the only tight end that
24:06
Speaker 1: I can say that about. Of course, this is just
24:08
Speaker 1: off of watching it from the press box and the
24:11
Speaker 1: replays on my computer. I'll have to dig in a
24:14
Speaker 1: little more, but I thought Nate played another really good game,
24:17
Speaker 1: and the more he gets involved in this offense, the better.
24:21
Speaker 1: Certainly now, if you're looking at a couple of games
24:23
Speaker 1: where you may have to start Luke Fahey. Now, if
24:27
Speaker 1: you got to start Luke Fahey against USC, that may
24:31
Speaker 1: be an issue. Um, the Oregon game, you know, they're
24:35
Speaker 1: starting to back up today. They may still be starting
24:37
Speaker 1: to back up, uh, come their game at Ohio state.
24:40
Speaker 1: We'll see how long Dante Moore's out, but these games
24:43
Speaker 1: now become, uh, incredibly important.
24:45
Speaker 2: Um, they already were, but they, you know, a lot
24:48
Speaker 2: scarier now when we, uh.
24:50
Speaker 1: Look at them and think that there's a potential of
24:53
Speaker 1: no Julian saying for a couple of those games. Um,
24:57
Speaker 1: looking at Julian saying on the day 15 to 29
25:01
Speaker 1: to 35, two and two, a one 28 rating. And
25:08
Speaker 1: I'm really curious to see what it is that's wrong
25:10
Speaker 1: with him. I guess he was in a sling. Um,
25:13
Speaker 1: I'm getting a message here. He was in a sling
25:14
Speaker 1: on the sideline. And if Ryan day is saying that
25:18
Speaker 1: he's out for a couple of weeks, doesn't it seem
25:19
Speaker 1: like he knows what's going on? Uh, we are going
25:23
Speaker 1: to get to hear from Ryan day on Tuesday after practice.
25:27
Speaker 1: So Tuesday six is PM and also likely going to get.
25:32
Speaker 2: To hear from the coordinators I heard as well. So
25:34
Speaker 2: that'll be really interesting.
25:37
Speaker 1: But our three points today, as we look at our
25:40
Speaker 1: three point stance here and our major points of the
25:44
Speaker 1: game here that I take away from this thing is,
25:47
Speaker 1: is of course, number one, the streak is over and
25:50
Speaker 1: that's it.
25:51
Speaker 2: Indiana, Indiana, is.
25:53
Speaker 1: Cooked their streak ends 22 games and it's you know,
25:58
Speaker 1: it's bound to happen.
25:59
Speaker 2: We had our streak snapped. It is what it is.
26:02
Speaker 1: And it's a bummer when it happens for, for your team.
26:05
Speaker 1: So the fact that the Buckeyes were able to come
26:07
Speaker 1: in here into their house and do it is all
26:11
Speaker 1: the more impressive. Number two for the Buckeyes, a gritty win.
26:17
Speaker 1: That's a real gritty win. Things certainly weren't perfect. I
26:20
Speaker 1: don't think it was coached perfect. I think you had
26:23
Speaker 1: your quarterback really off today. I think you made some
26:29
Speaker 1: interesting decisions as a coaching staff that maybe weren't the
26:32
Speaker 1: best in hindsight.
26:34
Speaker 2: And we will, of course, talk about those as the
26:37
Speaker 2: week goes on.
26:37
Speaker 1: We've got a bye week to talk about all this
26:39
Speaker 1: stuff and the right time for a bye week. And,
26:44
Speaker 1: of course, number three, big questions. I mean, big questions
26:47
Speaker 1: moving forward. but that doesn't stop how much you enjoy
26:50
Speaker 1: this game. It's top five win and, uh, fantastic here.
26:54
Speaker 1: Now let me get to some of your guys' questions
26:58
Speaker 1: and comments here. As I start a few here in
27:01
Speaker 1: the beginning here, uh, Duke, one of our buddies says, uh,
27:05
Speaker 1: I give Jules zero credit.
27:07
Speaker 2: He's not the guy he's Bowser. Oh my gosh. You
27:10
Speaker 2: did not just compare him to Bowser bombs. Come on, Duke.
27:13
Speaker 2: Come on, Duke. Be better, be better than that.
27:15
Speaker 1: Uh, We're talking about a guy who last year was
27:18
Speaker 1: literally one of the most accurate quarterbacks in the country
27:22
Speaker 1: in the history of college football. It's clear something going
27:26
Speaker 1: on right now, right? There's something going on. He had
27:28
Speaker 1: a really rough game accuracy wise, but he certainly isn't
27:32
Speaker 1: Bowser bomb. Our producer shed pulled this up to kind
27:37
Speaker 1: of back Duke up. I suppose we don't need to back.
27:39
Speaker 1: We don't need to encourage Duke anymore than he already
27:42
Speaker 1: is with his Bowser bombs. Ricky Stanton said, we just
27:47
Speaker 1: won a top five matchup on the road where our
27:49
Speaker 1: starting quarterback got hurt after playing horrible.
27:52
Speaker 2: How is that not encouraging?
27:54
Speaker 1: I'm assuming he's talking to someone who was not feeling
27:57
Speaker 1: encouraged by the game, by how it looked.
28:01
Speaker 2: It was nasty.
28:02
Speaker 1: But, you know, sometimes we forget, as Ohio State fans,
28:07
Speaker 1: we're obviously used to winning. We root for the greatest
28:10
Speaker 1: program in the history of college football. The other guys
28:13
Speaker 1: are good, too. not only are these guys good, but
28:16
Speaker 1: they are coached by the coaching staff that I think
28:19
Speaker 1: is probably the best in college football. And they also
28:23
Speaker 1: just do everything right. They're always in the right place.
28:26
Speaker 1: And when you play a program like this, you have
28:28
Speaker 1: to beat them. We don't often see them beat themselves.
28:31
Speaker 1: Now you could say, I guess today might be a
28:35
Speaker 1: little different with this Josh Hoover situation as this guy.
28:37
Speaker 1: I mean, I take away just as much good out
28:42
Speaker 1: of this knowing that it's That guy isn't, they're not
28:45
Speaker 1: repeating with that guy. That's not happening. Frugal Britches says,
28:50
Speaker 1: worried about how far behind Tabian St. Clair is if
28:54
Speaker 1: Fahey's short butt is so clearly ahead of him on
28:56
Speaker 1: the depth chart. So it's true, Fahey, not a very
29:01
Speaker 1: tall guy. But when we talk about a guy who
29:05
Speaker 1: is a gunslinger, ball on the money, aggressive quarterback, and
29:09
Speaker 1: we've seen that in the little that he's played.
29:11
Speaker 2: I mean, he is aggressive. He'll pull the trigger.
29:13
Speaker 1: He is better at processing defenses at this point than
29:17
Speaker 1: Tabian St.
29:18
Speaker 2: Clair is.
29:18
Speaker 1: And, you know, honestly, and I did a show about
29:23
Speaker 1: this and I, I mean, it sucks to say, but
29:26
Speaker 1: when you're looking at the future of this quarterback position,
29:29
Speaker 1: I don't know how Tabian fits in anymore, right? If
29:33
Speaker 1: you get passed by a younger guy. Now, when we
29:36
Speaker 1: look at this offseason, let's say, for instance, Julian saying
29:40
Speaker 1: is gone, he's going to go to the NFL. Let's
29:43
Speaker 1: just say hypothetically, what are you going to do if
29:45
Speaker 1: you're the staff? Are you going to take the risk
29:49
Speaker 1: of one of these two guys winning the starting job
29:52
Speaker 1: between Luke Fahey and Tabian St.
29:54
Speaker 2: Clair?
29:55
Speaker 1: And that's who you got to roll with next year?
29:57
Speaker 1: Or are you going to get some insurance and bring
29:59
Speaker 1: in a top tier quarterback out of the portal? To me,
30:03
Speaker 1: that is a no brainer. Like I, I really don't
30:07
Speaker 1: want to, I don't want to start a first year guy.
30:09
Speaker 1: If I'm Ryan day, unless I'm sure that that is
30:13
Speaker 1: the guy. So if there's any doubt, then you definitely
30:17
Speaker 1: are going to the portal. Now let's say that's the case.
30:20
Speaker 1: You go to the portal. We're talking Tavia and St.
30:24
Speaker 1: Claire in year number three, sitting behind this portal guy.
30:28
Speaker 1: And then he's got to beat out Fahey the following year.
30:32
Speaker 1: That's your number four. It just like his odds of
30:35
Speaker 1: being the Ohio state quarterback dropped tremendously. In my opinion,
30:38
Speaker 1: when Fahey overtook that number two spot, it doesn't mean
30:42
Speaker 1: he can't win it back, but you know, for every
30:46
Speaker 1: incremental amount that St. Clair gets better, you would assume
30:49
Speaker 1: Fahey will also, you know, get better. So Scott says
30:54
Speaker 1: the offensive line plays like their coach. We can saw
30:57
Speaker 1: Tyler Bowen is six foot seven, 295 pounds, bro. Mike Ferguson.
31:06
Speaker 1: Thank you for the super chat. Mike says in the
31:10
Speaker 1: post game, Ryan day stated that surprise transfer quarterback, Will
31:13
Speaker 1: Howard will take starting steps at USC. Carla Jenkins. Thank
31:19
Speaker 1: you so much, Carla. Carla said, get both Fahey and TSC.
31:24
Speaker 1: Also make Chris Henry Jr. wide receiver too. Have him
31:27
Speaker 1: on the field with Jeremiah Smith. Carla, need to see more.
31:33
Speaker 2: He's ready, right? He's ready. He's making big-time plays.
31:37
Speaker 1: He made a really veteran play sitting in the soft
31:42
Speaker 1: spot of the zone today. And, you know, that's the
31:46
Speaker 1: second play. The first one was just really a great
31:48
Speaker 1: athletic play that we know he can make. But that
31:51
Speaker 1: second one was a veteran play. It was really a
31:54
Speaker 1: good job of him to sit down in the zone
31:56
Speaker 1: like that and pick up a first down. So good
32:00
Speaker 1: stuff from him for sure. AZ Wolfie says, two of
32:06
Speaker 1: the four sacks on Julian Sane were Julian Sane's fault.
32:10
Speaker 2: You know what? Maybe true.
32:11
Speaker 1: But not just about sacks, if what you're saying is
32:14
Speaker 1: trying to defend the offensive line. The offensive line went
32:16
Speaker 1: through a boatload of pressures. I don't have the numbers
32:19
Speaker 1: offhand yet. Um, but yes, certainly, uh, in a lot
32:23
Speaker 1: of those pressures were his fault too. He just had
32:26
Speaker 1: a rough game and it was bad. It was bad
32:28
Speaker 1: to the point where I was thinking, man, if, if,
32:31
Speaker 1: if Ohio state loses this game, I'm thinking about this
32:35
Speaker 1: at the end of it and how many people are
32:36
Speaker 1: going to be saying, I don't ever want to see
32:37
Speaker 1: that guy again. Um, and, and some people clearly are already,
32:42
Speaker 1: I think if there was a, an option, here's what
32:45
Speaker 1: I think.
32:46
Speaker 2: I think if Tavia and St.
32:47
Speaker 1: Claire hadn't gotten beaten out by Luke Fahey, that the
32:51
Speaker 1: noise right now to play Tabian St. Clair, if everybody
32:53
Speaker 1: thought like he's the backup and things are progressing as
32:55
Speaker 1: they should, the noise to play him right now would
32:58
Speaker 1: be enormous, right? Whether they won or not today.
33:02
Speaker 2: Here we go.
33:02
Speaker 1: Rolling Cocoa Nut says, we could have given up, but
33:05
Speaker 1: we fought to take the gritty W. That's exactly right.
33:09
Speaker 1: And again, top five matchup, man. Top five matchup on
33:14
Speaker 1: the road. And when we look at the Buckeyes now
33:16
Speaker 1: this year, you know, sure, there's some things in flux,
33:20
Speaker 1: but You go down to Texas and you play a
33:23
Speaker 1: gritty game on the road in a big environment. You
33:26
Speaker 1: go to Iowa and you play a gritty game where
33:28
Speaker 1: you blow out Iowa on the road in a rough environment. Now,
33:32
Speaker 1: a top five matchup at Indiana, gritty win.
33:36
Speaker 2: And what does it do? It prepares you.
33:39
Speaker 1: You are now prepared moving into the playoffs where last
33:41
Speaker 1: year you mowed through a largely weak schedule. and you
33:46
Speaker 1: roll into the playoffs where you roll into the big
33:47
Speaker 1: 10 championship. And then, and then the playoffs against Miami,
33:51
Speaker 1: you haven't played any games where you've had to dig deep,
33:53
Speaker 1: where you've had to pull it out. And to me,
33:58
Speaker 1: outside of the Texas game first game, but really that
34:00
Speaker 1: was kind of a total one-off is you didn't really
34:02
Speaker 1: play your full offense. Neither did they, to me, this
34:07
Speaker 1: kind of season where you've got all these really tough matchups,
34:10
Speaker 1: you are so much better for it in the long run.
34:14
Speaker 2: You got to learn how to win. Right. We look
34:16
Speaker 2: at Indiana against Nebraska last week.
34:18
Speaker 1: They played a bad game and they and they won.
34:21
Speaker 2: That's what good teams do. They learn how to win.
34:23
Speaker 1: And I definitely feel like there's a ton of positive
34:27
Speaker 1: to take out of this. And of course, we've got
34:28
Speaker 1: a lot of questions coming out of this as well.
34:31
Speaker 1: And a lot of it has to do with health
34:32
Speaker 1: is we are going to bring in Tom and Tony
34:35
Speaker 1: here in a few. And we will kick it over
34:38
Speaker 1: to our guys as they're on the field somewhere. They're
34:40
Speaker 1: there somewhere. I can see them.
34:42
Speaker 2: Gentlemen. How are you? Can you hear me? We got you.
34:46
Speaker 2: Can you hear us? You can't hear me. All right.
34:48
Speaker 1: We will kick it straight over to them. And I
34:50
Speaker 1: will remove myself. Appreciate you guys.
34:53
Speaker 2: Thank you, Chuck, for handling the first half. you