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Huddle Up | Scouting 101 at the Combine with Bucky Brooks · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Up, brought to you by the Fields
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Speaker 1: Total Group. Jaguars Senior writer John Osher, NFL network analyst
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Speaker 1: and former Jaguar Bucky Brooks, and senior reporter J. P.
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Speaker 1: Shaddrick bring you the latest on your Jacksonville Jaguars.
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Speaker 2: Huddle Up starts.
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Speaker 3: Right now from the Indiana Convention Center in Indianapolis.
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Speaker 2: The NFL Scouting Combine.
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Speaker 3: Jaguars dot Com coverage continues with Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks,
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Speaker 3: JP Shadrick, John Oser, This is Bucky Brooks week.
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Speaker 2: What's happening? How are you man? I'm so excited. I'm
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Speaker 2: so excited for uh, who's treating for dinner? You treat
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Speaker 2: this treating as the wrong way? Big guy over.
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Speaker 4: There, somebody, somebody, I gotta I gotta text that somebody's
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Speaker 4: treating all the Jacks people that are here for dinner.
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Speaker 5: NFL Media, it's Bucky Brooks.
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Speaker 4: No no, no, no, no no no no. We didn't come
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Speaker 4: from my account, but I heard that. I'm sure the
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Speaker 4: people behind the camera also heard it too. I like
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Speaker 4: excited and rare. I'm excited. I'm excited. I may even
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Speaker 4: get off my nose one we we may what are
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Speaker 4: a port chopard a job? Since this is all somebody
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Speaker 4: else's times when the time they got back, Yeah I
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Speaker 4: got a text.
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Speaker 2: It's okay, Well, good for you. You apparently didn't get
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Speaker 2: the text.
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Speaker 5: Sometimes text or spam or fishing.
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean that's what the combine is all about.
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Speaker 5: You might check the email on that text.
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Speaker 2: Oh okay.
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Speaker 4: The combine is about good food, good conversations, some fun times,
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Speaker 4: and a.
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Speaker 2: Little bit of work. Oh yeah, football too. Yeah, on
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Speaker 2: top of little bit of a little bit of that.
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Speaker 2: We've got plenty to get to.
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Speaker 3: Plenty new around the Jacksonville Jaguars, of course, But it
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Speaker 3: was kind of a victory lap of sorts for the
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Speaker 3: new GM and the head coach yesterday, Buckie, and their
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Speaker 3: first chance to get out in front of the national folks,
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Speaker 3: at least in their new respective roles here. So, yes,
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Speaker 3: they're all young. That's been a prevailing word and storyline.
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Speaker 3: But you know, what was your impressions of what happened yesterday?
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Speaker 4: Well, I thought we talked about this last week on
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Speaker 4: the podcast, we talked about alignment in the room, and
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Speaker 4: I feel like John you kind of had a sense
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Speaker 4: that maybe Glasstone might be the guy giving the relationship
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Speaker 4: with Liam. I know, we talked about a lineman and
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Speaker 4: being able to see the game the same but also
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Speaker 4: being in the same building, aspiring to create a culture
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Speaker 4: that's been.
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Speaker 2: Very, very successful elsewhere.
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Speaker 4: Not saying that you steal what the La Rams have done,
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Speaker 4: but in terms of understanding how important it is to
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Speaker 4: have a shared belief system from front office to coaching
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Speaker 4: staff to players, how that's essential to success.
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Speaker 2: I love it. I love the things that I've heard
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Speaker 2: from both parties.
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Speaker 4: Well I can't even say both parties because I think
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Speaker 4: we need to include Tony Vaseli in the conversation, but
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Speaker 4: I love the alignment that we have from all that,
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Speaker 4: I think the synergy is going to serve the Jaguars, well.
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Speaker 5: Your people who listen to the show. No, Bucky likes
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Speaker 5: to throw us a jargon every now and then, like
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Speaker 5: a football phrase. Well, what Liam Cohen said yesterday about
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Speaker 5: this in sort of calling the Rams method the north Star,
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Speaker 5: meaning it's not gonna be exactly like that, but that's
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Speaker 5: certainly part of look a directional point and I think
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Speaker 5: they share a value in a vision because they both. Certainly,
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Speaker 5: Gladstone's a structure in his football soul was built with
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Speaker 5: the Rams. It's all he's known. But then Liam certainly
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Speaker 5: has drawn from Sean McVay and his intro pressor talked about,
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Speaker 5: you know, the culture and what he felt from the
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Speaker 5: RAMS building. Not surprising in that sense that they would
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Speaker 5: draw their general manager from that. I'm excited about Gladstone
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Speaker 5: early am.
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Speaker 3: We always hear about the coaching trees, but there's personnel
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Speaker 3: and GM trees too, right, But yeah, there are.
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Speaker 4: I mean, like, typically what teams do teams that need
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Speaker 4: a general manager to try and take someone from a
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Speaker 4: successful organizer.
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Speaker 2: I think in this one this is really different.
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Speaker 4: Because it wasn't just plucking a talent evaluator. It was
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Speaker 4: basically changing the entire way the Jaguars do business. When
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Speaker 4: sha Khan made the decision to move on from Doug
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Speaker 4: Peterson did eventually move on from Trim Balki, he did
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Speaker 4: it with a plan to, hey, let's change how everything
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Speaker 4: is done. Let's see if we can be the best
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Speaker 4: at what we want to do. When it comes to
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Speaker 4: evaluating players, putting together a team operating as a team
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Speaker 4: on the field, and then really the way everyone works
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Speaker 4: inside the building. And to do that, you tend to
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Speaker 4: look at other organizations fondly and see if you can
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Speaker 4: take some ideas and take some of the best and
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Speaker 4: brighters from them.
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Speaker 2: And I feel like we've done that.
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Speaker 4: And Gladstone, you talk about a guy who when I
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Speaker 4: talk to people out in LA they talk about being
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Speaker 4: a scouting savant in terms of understanding what they want
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Speaker 4: to Now, I say, he uses.
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Speaker 2: Really big words that we could break down simply.
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Speaker 4: When he talked about like intangible qualities and those things,
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Speaker 4: he could just say those qualities.
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Speaker 2: But I understand the ecosystlve. But oh yeah, I do like.
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Speaker 4: The fact that they talking about intangibles and guys that
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Speaker 4: love it and are passionate about the game. Because the
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Speaker 4: buzzword that people are annoyed with its culture. But the
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Speaker 4: only way that you get that is you got to
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Speaker 4: have a bunch of guys in the building that have
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Speaker 4: a shared set of beliefs, and that's coaches, players, that's
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Speaker 4: front office personnel. And I feel like that is first
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Speaker 4: and foremost. And then Liam Cohen also echoing that, but
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Speaker 4: also bringing an edge to him as a coach, a
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Speaker 4: throwback coach that wants to embrace the old school values
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Speaker 4: and traditions that have been very successful in this league
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Speaker 4: for a long time.
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Speaker 2: Look, physicality and toughness. Old school never goes out of style.
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Speaker 5: I'm fascinated Bucky in talking to Gladstone a little bit.
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Speaker 5: Obviously there's a high level, a high level of intelligence,
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Speaker 5: but JP's heard me talk about it already. There also
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Speaker 5: seems to be a very high end skill of communication there,
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Speaker 5: the ability to get his thoughts and maintain in a
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Speaker 5: structure and a process, if you will, of making sure
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Speaker 5: that the assistant Wide Receivers coach knows what the West
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Speaker 5: Coast areas scout once in a player and really vice versa,
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Speaker 5: and that that language is the same, and that everybody
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Speaker 5: understands what everybody's doing. From your perspective, han't been on
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Speaker 5: the inside of this, How important is that ability for
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Speaker 5: a GM to make sure that that all is working
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Speaker 5: in sync? Because that's hard because the West Coast scout
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Speaker 5: might see the wide receivers coach once a year, right,
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Speaker 5: So how important is that what I'm talking about.
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Speaker 2: It's very important.
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Speaker 4: It's very important that it's very clear and established what
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Speaker 4: we want in a Jaguars player. First, the character stuff
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Speaker 4: has to be really really communicated. It has to be stressed,
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Speaker 4: It has to be emphasized that we want players who
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Speaker 4: have these kinds of traits when it comes to an
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Speaker 4: intangible card, intelligence, work ethic, overall football character, morecacter.
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Speaker 2: All those things.
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Speaker 4: But then when it comes to evaluate players, the West
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Speaker 4: Coast guys shouldn't be operating in a silo just Hey,
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Speaker 4: I like this player, so I'm gonna put a big
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Speaker 4: grade on this player. There has to be a constant
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Speaker 4: dialogue between coaches and scouts to clearly understand the type
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Speaker 4: of players that we want to bring back for the
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Speaker 4: team that we want to be, the scheme that we play,
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Speaker 4: and all of those things. And that comes through meetings
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Speaker 4: that they're having now, that comes through meetings that you
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Speaker 4: have through our training camp. That comes through self scouting
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Speaker 4: and being able to point out that this is the
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Speaker 4: type of player that we want. We need more of
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Speaker 4: these guys and less of those guys. And as you
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Speaker 4: continue to kind of beat that drum, scouts can pick
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Speaker 4: it up and they can come back and bring back
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Speaker 4: type of players that work. Because when we talk about
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Speaker 4: the Rams being the North Star. Look at how successful
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Speaker 4: that they've been with third, fourth, fifth, sixth round players
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Speaker 4: When they win years without having a first round pick.
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Speaker 4: The team didn't fall apart. They were able to get
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Speaker 4: guys that they were able to draft and play and
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Speaker 4: contribute because they knew exactly what they want to and the.
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Speaker 2: Coaches will put those guys on the field and a
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Speaker 2: lot of picks the next two years coming up for
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Speaker 2: the Jacks.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, when you said the word savant in relation to
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Speaker 5: Gladstone you scouted, I haven't What does that mean to you?
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Speaker 5: And I guess dig down into that you know a bit.
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Speaker 5: What are the traits and how does that translate into
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Speaker 5: job performance.
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Speaker 4: When I talk about the savant that he brings that
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Speaker 4: he is, I'm talking about not only the intelligence, but
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Speaker 4: the emotional emotional feel for players. In those things, I'm
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Speaker 4: also talking about the ability to communicate at a high level,
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Speaker 4: not only to his staff but the coaches to players,
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Speaker 4: to clearly have an exchange of dialogue that allows everyone
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Speaker 4: to walk away clearly knowing what the expectations are when
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Speaker 4: it comes to looking at players. When it comes to
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Speaker 4: the players understanding the standards and norms of the team,
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Speaker 4: all of those things.
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Speaker 2: Great teams in every level communicate really, really well.
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Speaker 4: You have to be able to be open and honest
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Speaker 4: with the dialogue player, the player, player, the coach, coach,
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Speaker 4: the coach, and if you have that kind of environment
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Speaker 4: that has just been the building, then you don't have
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Speaker 4: these hitting agendas and you don't have these issues that
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Speaker 4: become bigger problems because no one has addressed him directly.
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Speaker 4: When I talk about what he has been able to
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Speaker 4: do as an evaluator and as a I can't even
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Speaker 4: say picker, but as a team builder, he exhibits those
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Speaker 4: qualities and is very apparent when you look at the
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Speaker 4: behind the scenes things that we've done already with him
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Speaker 4: in the Jaguars, when he met with the coaches, to
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Speaker 4: how he handled himself in front of the podium, huddle.
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Speaker 3: Another piece of this week is the entire coaching staff
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Speaker 3: is here. Usually if they come at all, they would
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Speaker 3: phase in depending on interviews with prospects and workouts and
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Speaker 3: timing and all that. Well, they're all here because they
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Speaker 3: haven't been together that long. They've got to have staff
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Speaker 3: meetings of working on building an offense, s defense, all
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Speaker 3: the actual terminology they're going to use. So this time
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Speaker 3: is valuable for Liam Cohen and his entire staff to
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Speaker 3: get on the same page.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, don't waste a day because of the changing, the
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Speaker 4: changing scheduled, the way the combine operates, there are some
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Speaker 4: times in the day where the staff can get together.
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Speaker 4: It's not only about what they want to do X
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Speaker 4: and o's this part of it is getting everyone on
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Speaker 4: the same page. So we just spent the last segment
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Speaker 4: talking about how do you get the West Coast scout
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Speaker 4: to understand what the assistant wide receiver coach wants. You
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Speaker 4: put them in the room and you clearly have that conversation.
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Speaker 4: You have the assistant wide receiver coach do or presentation
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Speaker 4: on here the traits that we're looking for in our expercy.
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Speaker 4: Here's what we wanted Z and an F all of
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Speaker 4: those things, and then you might even have a quiz
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Speaker 4: where everyone is taking notes so that everyone understands the
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Speaker 4: entire coaching staff, the entire scouting staff. And then you
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Speaker 4: do the same thing in reverse from a scouting standpoint.
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Speaker 4: You talk about, these are the traits that we look
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Speaker 4: for in our personnel, and so coaches understand that, and
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Speaker 4: you're having prototypes that everyone sticks to, because when you
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Speaker 4: start making exceptions in terms of the type of players
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Speaker 4: you want, you have a team full of sceptions and
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Speaker 4: the team cannot sustain a level of success.
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Speaker 5: I'll give you one thing, and the you know you're
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Speaker 5: the league guy, You're the NFL Scouting combine guy. Most
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Speaker 5: take a number this week if you want to talk
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Speaker 5: to right, I had number thirteen. I had to wait
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Speaker 5: a month. Out of the entire coaching staff, what sort
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Speaker 5: of sticks out, Give me a guy that you know
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Speaker 5: something about out that you think will make a tangible difference.
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Speaker 2: There's so many good guys on staff. Okay, I'll say
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Speaker 2: this one.
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Speaker 4: When I look at the staff, I see guys who
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Speaker 4: are player development specialists, Guys who are really good at
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Speaker 4: teaching on the grass, meaning that they can give players
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Speaker 4: a set of drills that if they do consistently day
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Speaker 4: after day after day, they improve and they improve in games.
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Speaker 4: When I think about the offensive staff, the first guy
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Speaker 4: that comes to mind is the Jacksonville native Edgar Bennett.
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Speaker 4: And I will personally credit Eggabnnett to a lot of
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Speaker 4: success that I had in the league because as a
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Speaker 4: young guy, he showed me how to be a pro.
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Speaker 4: He took me in the offseason and showed me how
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Speaker 4: to do certain things.
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Speaker 5: When bank we.
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Speaker 4: Played together in Green Bay, Egrebnnitt would take me. We
12:47
Speaker 4: had a basketball gym there, but we would lunch and
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Speaker 4: he was like, hey, it's really important how you build
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Speaker 4: up your lower body so you can avoid these lower
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Speaker 4: body soft tissue injuries. But then watching him go from
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Speaker 4: being a running back to being one of the premier
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Speaker 4: wide receiver coaches because he did that so he could
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Speaker 4: enhance his opportunities of being a play caller. He easily
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Speaker 4: could have said in the running back room and done
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Speaker 4: the things that he'd always done, but he stretched himself.
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Speaker 2: So I love seeing what that is.
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Speaker 4: Then on the defensive side of the ball, knowing Ron
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Speaker 4: Milis for so long and watching what he has been
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Speaker 4: able to do for so long with young DB's and
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Speaker 4: think about some of the issues that we had last year,
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Speaker 4: ball flying over the top of the defense and to
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Speaker 4: some of the communication issues and those things, and knowing that, look,
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Speaker 4: we're going to be running a defense that was really
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Speaker 4: successful at Boston College and really successful when they made
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Speaker 4: a transition up to Green Bay and Jeff Hafley did
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Speaker 4: a job. So to take people that have been in
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Speaker 4: that system that understand how to get young guys ready
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Speaker 4: to play in it. To me, it all matches up
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Speaker 4: and then what Liam wants to do with the quarterback
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Speaker 4: and how they want to build up the quarterback and
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Speaker 4: take the quarterback where he is and not necessarily change him,
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Speaker 4: but make him better given the skill set that he has.
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Speaker 2: To me, that's what it's about about the plays.
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Speaker 4: It's about the players and how can we make the
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Speaker 4: players that we have and the players that we're gonaquire better.
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Speaker 2: That is about the coaching. I'm excited about the coaches.
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Speaker 2: We got tuddle up with Bucky Brooks, J P.
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Speaker 3: Shadwick, John Osier from the Combine and in the Daily's
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Speaker 2: Rod Stewart was last night. Oh Man man photos. I
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Speaker 2: saw him last year. He's good. Uh, but I didn't
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Speaker 2: That might be the thing.
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Speaker 3: June, right after the offseason program for the offseason program in.
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Speaker 5: So I have one question for a bouck you for
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Speaker 5: you out?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 5: Right this up. We've talked so much about change of culture,
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Speaker 5: right and at the top of the show we talked
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Speaker 5: about how they're changing the way they do things and
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Speaker 5: clearly bringing in every gm uh for fans who hear
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Speaker 5: this all the time, right, we've seen this regime change, sure, uh,
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Speaker 5: combine a lot. What do you look for as a
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Speaker 5: fan to see evidence of what we're talking about? How
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Speaker 5: does a Gladstone Cohen regime biselli? How's it going to
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Speaker 5: look different? Aside from record, but just what is it
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Speaker 5: going to feel like?
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Speaker 2: Do you know?
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Speaker 4: The hard thing is we can say all this stuff,
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Speaker 4: and we can talk about the off talk and pay
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Speaker 4: attention to the detail because I heard a lot of
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Speaker 4: that last off season. You know, we're tougher practices, more
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Speaker 4: attentative and all that, And at the end of the day,
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Speaker 4: it comes down to what does the team.
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Speaker 2: Look like when we watch them?
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Speaker 4: A lot of it will be determined by the eyeball test,
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Speaker 4: not in terms of the results, but how this team look.
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Speaker 4: Do they play fast? Are they going from snap to whistle?
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Speaker 4: Do they run to the ball with violence? On offense?
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Speaker 4: Do they have a level of physicality where you see
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Speaker 4: the offensive lineman finishing blocks down the field? Are running
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Speaker 4: backs exhibiting more physicality and toughness as they're finishing? Do
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Speaker 4: you see the quarterback and the wide receivers have days
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Speaker 4: where the ball doesn't hit the ground in practice. All
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Speaker 4: of those things are part of the culture. But ultimately
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Speaker 4: we can talk about changing stuff, we can talk about
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Speaker 4: doing all these other things. At the end of the day,
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Speaker 4: does this team play different and that won't be determined
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Speaker 4: until we kick that thing off in.
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Speaker 5: Syptem get September.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because none, that's it, none of it, no, no, no,
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Speaker 4: none of it matters when it comes to the record
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Speaker 4: I've set and I watched and we talked about last
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Speaker 4: year's practicing. Man, we're picking off so many passes, and
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Speaker 4: we're getting tips and overthrows and balls, balls, this and that,
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Speaker 4: and it didn't translate in games.
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Speaker 2: So ultimately, you want everyone to prepare well.
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Speaker 4: You wanted to practice will, You wanted to dominate the preseason,
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Speaker 4: but we judged behind it looks during the regular season,
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Speaker 4: so we got to play well when it really really matters.
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Speaker 3: Let's rap with Bucky Brooks. Mock draft came out yesterday.
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Speaker 4: Much do you know much time I spent on this.
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Speaker 4: That's probably why I got bags up in my minds.
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Speaker 4: A lot of time, but laboring over these points and
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Speaker 4: who's gonna go.
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Speaker 2: Let's go through the.
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Speaker 3: Top five then, because with all your hard work, I
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Speaker 3: wouldn't want to leave anything out.
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Speaker 4: No.
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Speaker 3: Uh number one in your second mock draft, Abdul Carter
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Speaker 3: Penn State edg Rusher for the Titans. Uh, Cleveland Browns
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Speaker 3: are two cam Mood quarterback Giants are three Shooter Sanders
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Speaker 3: quarterback Patriots. At four, Will Campbell in offensive lineman from LSU.
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Speaker 3: And at number five the Jaguars with Travis Hunter, Colorado
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Speaker 3: corner and widers.
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Speaker 2: What's fun? It'd be fun? How much fun would that be?
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Speaker 5: I know he's a case where he's there, you gotta
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Speaker 5: take him right.
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Speaker 2: Look, he's a really good player. He's a really instinctive player.
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Speaker 4: As I believe we transition from more of a man
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Speaker 4: to man defense to his own defense where we have
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Speaker 4: eyes on the ball. You're not gonna find many guys
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Speaker 4: with better ball skills and hand eye coordination than Travis Hunter.
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Speaker 2: This is a guy who is funny.
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Speaker 4: We're talking about him as a dB, but he won
18:31
Speaker 4: the Blitnikoff Award for being the best wide receiver in
18:34
Speaker 4: college football. Yet I'm saying his best position is cornerback.
18:38
Speaker 4: That I don't think he was a no. Which is crazy,
18:42
Speaker 4: because if you saw the amount of plays that he
18:44
Speaker 4: made on the ball, I understand it.
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Speaker 2: He's unique.
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Speaker 4: I'm not saying he's generational in terms of we've never
18:51
Speaker 4: seen that before. We have, though we've seen Champ Bailey
18:53
Speaker 4: and Charles Wilson and all those guys.
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Speaker 2: Go. He's a really good football player.
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Speaker 4: And I think when you are the Jaguars at this point,
19:00
Speaker 4: you're just looking to add really good football players. The
19:02
Speaker 4: other name that is constantly tied to the Jags has
19:05
Speaker 4: been Mason Graham, another good football player who doesn't have
19:08
Speaker 4: prototypical length, but as the dominant player.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a guy. I guess that when you see
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Speaker 5: him at the combine, you think, okay, well, not the
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Speaker 5: most physically impressive guy ever to walk through here. But
19:21
Speaker 5: when you watch him play, you think, this guy can't miss.
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Speaker 5: I mean they can't miss. They all miss.
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Speaker 4: Loves it, but be very good. Loves it comes out
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Speaker 4: in this way. You see the production he used to
19:32
Speaker 4: the performance, all those things. He's tough. We need some
19:36
Speaker 4: more tough guys along that front line.
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Speaker 5: He would is there any danger? The only the only
19:42
Speaker 5: thing concerns me about a Travis Hunter pick is this
19:46
Speaker 5: It seems like for the last decade, JP, when I
19:50
Speaker 5: answer fan questions, it's why don't we build up the lines?
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Speaker 5: We gotta be better on the line. Were gonna be
19:56
Speaker 5: better on the line, and then when it gets to
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Speaker 5: the draft, you find an excuse or a reason not
20:01
Speaker 5: to go line. At some point, do you just have
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Speaker 5: to commit to that buckets or is I guess that's
20:07
Speaker 5: the dilemma? Right, That's what every team faces every year.
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Speaker 2: Every team faces that.
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Speaker 4: The only team I mean not the only team, but
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Speaker 4: the teams that are done and well commit to it.
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Speaker 4: They make sure they guarantee that a no matter what,
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Speaker 4: we are going to take an offensive or defensive linement
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Speaker 4: in the first two rounds because that's where the blue
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Speaker 4: chair players come out of. And we are committed to
20:24
Speaker 4: making sure that we're dominant at the trenches in this scenario.
20:27
Speaker 4: Like we can talk about Travis Hunt and those things,
20:29
Speaker 4: but if you ask me who we need to get,
20:31
Speaker 4: there has to be something. It has to be a
20:32
Speaker 4: trench warrior if you're going to be a physical team.
20:35
Speaker 4: We saw this last year with Jim Harbaugh and the
20:37
Speaker 4: charges and everyone's like, all right, you gotta take this
20:39
Speaker 4: and take that, and he was like, Yeah, we're gonna
20:41
Speaker 4: take an offensive time because this is who we're gonna be.
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Speaker 2: I'm curious to see, as we're building this team.
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Speaker 4: Out and we're talking about being a tougher, throwback type team,
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Speaker 4: are we committed to building in the trenches because that's
20:53
Speaker 4: where the games are won and lost.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: I think the interesting push and pull internal conflict JP
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Speaker 5: is is they've got to have secondary players, right, I mean,
21:04
Speaker 5: they've you know, the secondary Tyson Campbell, beyond that, a
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Speaker 5: lot of question marks. At the same time, when Gladstone
21:13
Speaker 5: talked yesterday, he said, what makes a lot of sense.
21:18
Speaker 5: He talked about building the lines and about guys who
21:20
Speaker 5: could score. You know that philosophically, that was sort of
21:25
Speaker 5: the area he talked that doesn't include secondary So that's
21:29
Speaker 5: sort of so let's let's scrimp out four thirteen. He
21:33
Speaker 5: got worse us than one, but.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's let's scrimmage that out as it relates, so
21:37
Speaker 4: we can talk about the RAMS ecosystem.
21:39
Speaker 2: But what he says, you go back and close.
21:41
Speaker 4: You go back and look at the past drafts of
21:43
Speaker 4: the Philly of for Eagles and what they've invested in
21:44
Speaker 4: Earland Lineman and people who can score points. Devontis Smith
21:50
Speaker 4: was taking early in draft because he can put the
21:52
Speaker 4: ball into paint. They invested money in aj Brown because
21:55
Speaker 4: he can put the ball in the paint.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 4: When they draft those linemen oppensive and defensive because they
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Speaker 4: can dominate the line of scrimmage, I am all for that.
22:03
Speaker 4: You gotta put points on the board because as much
22:05
Speaker 4: as I want to throw throw it back to nineteen
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Speaker 4: eighties and have these slobbery knocker games, we're playing great defense.
22:11
Speaker 4: If you cannot score in this league, it's hard to win.
22:13
Speaker 4: And so you have to be able to score from
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Speaker 4: anywhere in the field, and sometimes that means a playmaker
22:17
Speaker 4: has to be a top pick.
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Speaker 2: You're play one hundred at corner and with some packages
22:21
Speaker 2: and offense. I am I am playing at the corner.
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Speaker 4: I think his ball skills, his instincts are just ridiculous,
22:26
Speaker 4: and he's good enough to be a wide receiver three.
22:29
Speaker 2: Or four, but primarily he needs to play corner.
22:32
Speaker 4: And Will Johnson from Michigan is also another good player
22:35
Speaker 4: who's versatile, can play manners on high IQ, toughness, all
22:38
Speaker 4: that other stuff. They're a handful of selection that can
22:41
Speaker 4: go there. But when you talk about Gladstone, because here's
22:44
Speaker 4: what we know. When you're in these podiums over here
22:47
Speaker 4: and everyone wants to play poker and they want they
22:49
Speaker 4: can't help.
22:50
Speaker 2: But reveal their hand, right.
22:52
Speaker 4: I feel like he kind of showed you some aces
22:54
Speaker 4: when he said that, and we should just think about that,
22:57
Speaker 4: because maybe when he talked about scoring points, maybe Travis
23:02
Speaker 4: Hunter is someone who scores check points. There's a red
23:06
Speaker 4: our receiver that scores points. Knows interesting thing, It's an
23:11
Speaker 4: interesting thought. Tomorrow we'll have a lot more interesting thoughts.
23:15
Speaker 4: Jaguars Happy Hour, four o'clock, Pete Prisco and Tony BUSSELLI
23:19
Speaker 4: for the last time. Oh, I hope you've got gifts
23:23
Speaker 4: for Tony. You got gift with gifts, he's gifting us stuff.
23:28
Speaker 4: We are no, but you gotta givehim a fairy a
23:30
Speaker 4: parting gift handshake.
23:32
Speaker 2: No, no, no no.
23:33
Speaker 4: If this is his last thing we tried for another
23:36
Speaker 4: dinner that we have not trying for that.
23:38
Speaker 2: I'm just saying.
23:39
Speaker 4: If he's he's been on Happy Hour, he's been committed
23:41
Speaker 4: to the show.
23:41
Speaker 2: He's been a great picture of the show.
23:45
Speaker 4: I would expect to see like a parton gift letters, cards, balloons,
23:49
Speaker 4: maybe something we got tweets for days.
23:52
Speaker 5: Maybe run over to CBS.
23:54
Speaker 2: Right, be busy tonight trying to find something.
23:57
Speaker 5: On Valentine's Day.
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Speaker 2: You just get the card by the reds one.
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Speaker 5: Uh.
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Speaker 3: That'll do it for a huddle up this week. We'll
24:06
Speaker 3: we'll do it again next week. By should be fine
24:08
Speaker 3: looking forard enjoy the combine.
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Speaker 2: This is your world. We just walk in it. I
24:13
Speaker 2: can't wait, man, I can't wait for a dinner. Got him?
24:15
Speaker 2: We put a Jaguars dinner.
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Speaker 5: So are we have a long wait?
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Speaker 3: Bucky Brooks, John Oser, I'm JP Shadwick and thanks for
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Speaker 3: watching and listenings. Huddle up with Bucky Brooks