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Looking Back... 1982 · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 3: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown, I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 2: the Oddity Studios. Back for another discussion. And joining me
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  Speaker 2: for this discussion, it has been a while, so I
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  Speaker 2: will throw it back to you to reintroduce yourself to
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  Speaker 2: the world. Joining me today is.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, this is George, a.k.a. The Fanatic.
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  Speaker 2: And it has been several years. It's been a couple years, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it sure has. For a long time, we knew of
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  Speaker 2: each other, and we were like, we should totally record episodes.
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  Speaker 2: I know, yeah. We never had time, and then at
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  Speaker 2: least once, we crossed over at a convention, and we
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  Speaker 2: sat there and yammered on like we do. That's right.
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  Speaker 2: And then after that, we were like, we need to
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  Speaker 2: do this more. And then schedules got messed up like
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  Speaker 2: they always do. So finally, lately, we've been like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: the entire world has changed. Everything's different now. But maybe
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  Speaker 2: that's freed up our schedules enough that we can make
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  Speaker 2: these work. So here we are. We finally made good
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  Speaker 2: on our threat to do more episodes.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly. And hope to do more.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I've got some ideas. You've got some ideas. We do.
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  Speaker 2: This was one of those ideas.
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  Speaker 3: This one is a fascinating one for me.
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  Speaker 2: How would you like to bill this? Because you threw
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  Speaker 2: it out as a specific part of this year, and
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  Speaker 2: then I was looking at the list, and I'm like, hell,
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  Speaker 2: the whole year is interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Well, how I'm going to throw this out is that
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people want to look back at the
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  Speaker 3: summer of 1982 as probably one of the greatest movie summers.
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  Speaker 2: Of all time. It's pretty impressive.
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  Speaker 3: The list of movies just in the summer, not in
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  Speaker 3: the whole year. The whole year of 1982 is very impressive.
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  Speaker 3: But just the list of the summer movies are incredible.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of these are movies that have been beloved
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  Speaker 3: for decades. Some movie won Oscars. You know, stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: But they were all overshadowed by a little movie that
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  Speaker 3: was released.
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  Speaker 2: On June 11th. Of course you're talking about Annie. Oh, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: That's not the one.
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  Speaker 3: I'm talking about that long-necked, wrinkly brown candy-eating thing from
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  Speaker 3: another planet we like to call E.T.
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  Speaker 2: Is that why I'm eating these Reese's Pieces?
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  Speaker 3: That is definitely why you're eating these Reese's Pieces here.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. It did change my life. I remember having
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  Speaker 2: Reese's Pieces before that, but they were so much cooler
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  Speaker 2: after the summer of 82.
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  Speaker 3: Frankly, it changed Reese's Pieces because... Oh, yeah. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 3: was like one of those candies that, you know... Reese's
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  Speaker 3: put it out there and it wasn't doing all that well.
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  Speaker 3: You put it in E.T. and suddenly everybody wants candy.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and especially because they didn't want it to be
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  Speaker 2: Reese's Pieces.
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  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. They just couldn't convince M & M' s to
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  Speaker 2: let them use it, so.
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  Speaker 3: That was a mistake. Backfired on you, M & M' s.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of sort of reminiscent of the whole, you know,
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  Speaker 3: George Lucas merchandising rights. You know, 26-year-old Fox says, eh,
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  Speaker 3: we don't have any faith in this little movie of yours.
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  Speaker 3: Go ahead, buddy.
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  Speaker 2: Kids don't buy toys that much. It's fine.
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  Speaker 3: No. And then they don't buy them when they grow
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  Speaker 3: up in their 20s and their 30s and their 40s
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  Speaker 3: and keep buying the same.
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  Speaker 2: What kind of dorks would buy toys as an adult?
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  Speaker 3: How many Luke Skywalker figures do you need, sir?
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  Speaker 2: You're talking to me personally.
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  Speaker 3: No, I was actually talking about myself. A lot.
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  Speaker 2: No, I was talking about me, yeah. Because, yeah, Luke's
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  Speaker 2: my boy. I like Luke, especially as time went on.
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  Speaker 2: I know everybody... Lean more towards Han.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody wants to be Han because you're cool. But if
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  Speaker 3: you think you want to be Han, you're really a Luke.
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  Speaker 2: That's the thing. As a kid, I looked at Luke as, again,
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  Speaker 2: I fell into the trap that is the plot. You know,
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  Speaker 2: he's the hero. He's the hero's journey. The whole first
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  Speaker 2: trilogy is that arc of Luke. And that's what I
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  Speaker 2: think I was latched on to so much is what
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  Speaker 2: a cool idea this whole journey of his is. And
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  Speaker 2: especially he is a badass by definitely that third one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, definitely. Well, I mean, it's kind of the
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  Speaker 3: whole Spider-Man thing, too, is he's the everyman. You know,
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  Speaker 3: we can see ourselves in Luke because, like, he was
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  Speaker 3: just a kid. He wanted to dream about doing things
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  Speaker 3: and had a boring life. And then suddenly he gets
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  Speaker 3: whisked in this land of adventure. And, oh, hey, guess what?
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  Speaker 3: You've got these powers. And here's your magic light stick, too,
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  Speaker 3: by the way. You know, have fun with that, kid.
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  Speaker 2: We were all called wormy at one time, but then
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  Speaker 2: we grew up and got super cool. Okay, maybe not.
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  Speaker 2: We got large and wormy. I can dress in black
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  Speaker 2: and wear one glove.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever.
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  Speaker 2: But that is not this year. That is right. Oddly enough,
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  Speaker 2: we skipped over that. Yes. In the trilogy, we missed
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  Speaker 2: the Star War in the middle of 82. That's right. Interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Very interesting, yeah. We'll come back to that. Almost like Mr.
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  Speaker 3: Lucas may have had a little more faith in... Mr.
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  Speaker 3: Spielberg's thing and says, you know what, maybe I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to compete with this.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe he was friends with this guy. Maybe they were
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  Speaker 2: making a movie together anyway.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe they went to college together.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe he was like, okay, I'm not going to release
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  Speaker 2: against myself, unlike Steven Spielberg, which is a whole other thing. But, so,
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  Speaker 2: as you were saying, it all gets sort of overshadowed
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  Speaker 2: by one movie. A lot of time. But the more
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  Speaker 2: I looked at it, I was like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: There's so many things that are monumental and sort of,
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  Speaker 2: especially when each little sub-genre changed the whole sub-genre of
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  Speaker 2: that time period that I don't know. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: that I would look back and just think of E.T. personally.
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  Speaker 2: But then again, I'm also way more of a fractured
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  Speaker 2: movie dork. So everything is broken into little tiny pieces.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, but this movie's awesome and this movie's awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Sure. But if you take the basic numbers of things,
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  Speaker 3: and I did some little research and some numbers here. Now,
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  Speaker 3: there is a little bit of discrepancy on how much E.T.
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  Speaker 3: actually made in the year of 1982 in just the U.S.
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  Speaker 3: box office alone. Oh, yeah. I've had two different figures here.
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  Speaker 3: The first figure is $ 359 million. The other figure is
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  Speaker 3: $ 435 million. So, a big difference between the two. Either way.
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  Speaker 2: But nonetheless.
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  Speaker 3: The next highest grossing movie of that year was Tootsie,
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  Speaker 3: which won some Oscars.
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  Speaker 2: Once again, the movies that used to make money are
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  Speaker 2: different then. I mean, now people would still probably watch Tootsie,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't think it would be topping the box office.
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  Speaker 3: I know that's true.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it'd be knocking out. Well, same thing.
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  Speaker 2: I know there's other people that talk about the weird differences.
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  Speaker 2: And you go back and of the year that it
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  Speaker 2: came out, the biggest moneymaker that year was Kramer vs.
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  Speaker 3: Kramer. Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: That wouldn't happen. Right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like the, the one that just came out, that
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  Speaker 2: was the, what is the one with Scarlett Johansson and
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  Speaker 2: Kylo Ren? The marriage story.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, well, yeah. Marriage story.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, that's kind of that same thing. Totally.
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  Speaker 2: That did, it is an amazing movie. Those performances are outstanding.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And it got Oscar nominations. Sure. But like, it didn't
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  Speaker 2: make a dent in the box office compared to what
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  Speaker 2: else came out that year. So like, that's, That kind
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  Speaker 2: of starts to put in perspective how different the box
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  Speaker 2: office is compared to what happens now.
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  Speaker 3: And you still get a little bit of that. I mean, E.T.
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  Speaker 3: was also nominated for a bunch of Oscars.
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  Speaker 2: Special effects.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of special effects. Yeah, and the ones that
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  Speaker 3: did win were special effects. John Williams won the score,
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  Speaker 3: which is obvious.
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  Speaker 2: He's John Williams.
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  Speaker 3: It's John Williams.
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  Speaker 2: Just hand him one every year.
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  Speaker 3: The guy could just do a rendition of Happy Birthday
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  Speaker 3: and he's going to win an Oscar for it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because... He's John Wood. He's John Wood. He's John Wood.
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  Speaker 3: But above the list we have here of the top
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  Speaker 3: five movies, of course, you mentioned Tootsie, Officer and Gentleman
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  Speaker 3: was number three. That won a couple Oscars, especially Louis
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  Speaker 3: Gossett Jr. 's kind of a career-making role for him. Definitely, yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and so that, you know... A romantic film, and, you know,
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  Speaker 3: so that kind of appealed more to the Oscar crowd.
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  Speaker 2: Again, weird that it made that much money, though.
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  Speaker 3: It did, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's just a difference. Like, those kind of people used
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  Speaker 2: to love to go to the movies back then. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Now they sit at home and watch stuff.
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  Speaker 3: That's the thing, is that movies were made for people. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: They were made for adults, and now basically we make
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  Speaker 3: movies for children.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's just tentpoles. Like, it's got to be the
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  Speaker 2: big thing for the summer, and if it's not, the
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  Speaker 2: latest Marvel movie or... Whatever the big push sci-fi could
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  Speaker 2: be doing. If it's something like that that they're really pushing,
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  Speaker 2: everybody will run out and see it. If not, if
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  Speaker 2: you're not that kind of a super hardcore geek, you
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  Speaker 2: just don't go to the movies anymore. A lot of people,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like that's where it stands now. Everybody has
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  Speaker 2: 14 different streaming services and they're like, why would I
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  Speaker 2: leave the house? They're right here in front of me.
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  Speaker 3: I'm very guilty.
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  Speaker 2: Of that.
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  Speaker 3: Now, I haven't got around to watching Dune yet because
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  Speaker 3: my wife wants to watch that and she hasn't had
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  Speaker 3: the two and a half hours that I've had at
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  Speaker 3: a willing, very ready to watch.
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  Speaker 2: I just have to get in the mindset. I'm interested.
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  Speaker 2: I'm fascinated by the director's work. Yeah. What I've seen
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  Speaker 2: of the trailers looks really visually amazing. I just, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't care about it the other times. I didn't read
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  Speaker 2: the books because I'm illiterate. So it's like, I don't
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  Speaker 2: have everything invested that most hardcore sci-fi geeks going to
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  Speaker 2: this have in it. I'm just kind of like, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to try to address it as a new sci-fi
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  Speaker 2: movie and not get caught up in all the baggage.
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  Speaker 2: But even then, I'm just kind of like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: it's a long freaking movie.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm not a huge Dune fan. Of course, I'm
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  Speaker 3: in the minority that I like the David Lynch films.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I like everything he does to some extent.
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  Speaker 3: I like everything he did up until Lost Highway. Then
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  Speaker 3: he basically, from Lost Highway, from there.
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  Speaker 2: On, he's lost me.
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  Speaker 3: Though his coffee's good, though.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, his coffee's good.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and his... Filmmaking, not so much. Him, like, as
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  Speaker 2: the presence that is David Lund. Like, I still just
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  Speaker 2: love to watch the guy. So, like, just him... Showing
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  Speaker 2: up in that Harry Dean Stanton movie. Him as an
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  Speaker 2: actor is the most entertaining thing in the world. So
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  Speaker 2: I just love him as a guy because he's weird
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  Speaker 2: as hell, but he doesn't pretend to be anything else.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like a put-on. There's so many people
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  Speaker 2: that they put on a weird persona to get attention. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I don't get that from Lynch. I've never gotten that
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  Speaker 2: from Lynch.
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  Speaker 3: This is the genuine dude. That is very legitimate. It
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  Speaker 3: was like John Waters. John Waters is not put on.
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  Speaker 3: That is 100% John.
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  Speaker 2: This is who he is.
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  Speaker 3: I would definitely hang out with John Waters. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if I can hang with Lynch. I've seen him
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  Speaker 3: a few times.
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  Speaker 2: We've talked. But even then, I feel like... I can
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  Speaker 2: never say I have fun with Lynch. Well, no, just
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  Speaker 2: the John Waters. But I feel like John Waters has
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  Speaker 2: mellowed as he's gotten older. And even he looks back
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  Speaker 2: at his old groundbreaking early movies and is like, hell
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  Speaker 2: was I thinking like I think he's gotten perspective on
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  Speaker 2: it sure then I don't know that Lynch has that
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  Speaker 2: like he probably still looks at Eraserhead and he's just
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  Speaker 2: like yep that's exactly what I was trying to put
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  Speaker 2: together and like I don't think that's changed where John
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  Speaker 2: Waters has kind of come together and just relaxed as
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  Speaker 2: an old guy now and he's just like yeah movies
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  Speaker 2: are too much trouble i don't feel like making those
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  Speaker 2: like and that's why he does his other thing because
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  Speaker 2: movies are a pain in the ass and he doesn't
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  Speaker 2: get paid enough to make it worth a while.
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  Speaker 3: Frank i could hear john waters read the phone book
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  Speaker 3: he wants to like you know talk or do those you.
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  Speaker 2: Know shows several times i can't get enough of them
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  Speaker 2: because it's generally the same idea every time and yet
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  Speaker 2: every time i've seen him it's a massively different version
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  Speaker 2: of it it's just It's just him and how he
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  Speaker 2: feels at the moment. So it may have been five
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  Speaker 2: years since the last time I saw him, but it's
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  Speaker 2: a whole different thing. Like those five years have given
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  Speaker 2: him a whole new perspective on whatever he's talking about.
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  Speaker 2: And like, it's a whole different show. So he's, he's fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think we have anything from them on 82 either. No,
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  Speaker 2: we don't.
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  Speaker 3: But rounding out our top five here, this is where
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  Speaker 3: it gets a little funky.
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  Speaker 2: So where are you? Because I pulled up a domestic
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  Speaker 2: box office for 82. Are you just focusing on summer movies?
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  Speaker 3: This was the top five movies of 1982.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. There's grossing films here. Because I've got different things
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  Speaker 2: showing up.
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  Speaker 3: It's weird because most of my stuff I got off
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  Speaker 3: of IMDB.
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  Speaker 2: Which is where I was pulling it up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, so Officer Gentleman had his number three. Rocky
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  Speaker 3: III I had as the fourth highest grossing film. This
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  Speaker 3: on here is coming up as three.
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  Speaker 2: Three is three.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting enough.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then some sources I had, let's see here,
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  Speaker 3: Star Trek II coming in as the fifth highest grossing film.
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  Speaker 3: And then I had other sources as Porky's, which makes
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  Speaker 3: sense because Porky's domestic was 105. That's another one that I.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, that is that year, isn't it? Because
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  Speaker 2: there's such different groups of people. Star Trek 2 and
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  Speaker 2: Porky's are probably not pulling in exactly the same audience.
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  Speaker 2: There's some crossover.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've definitely seen both films. I've definitely seen both films.
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  Speaker 3: I would love to do a whole show just on
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  Speaker 3: Bob Clark himself.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, when am I not talking about Bob Clark?
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  Speaker 2: I bring him up more than most. I brought him
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  Speaker 2: up the day before yesterday. Someone asked me about, they
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  Speaker 2: were asking about the movies of the season and were
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  Speaker 2: coming out of Halloween. And they were talking about Hocus Pocus,
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  Speaker 2: which I do not care about. And then they brought
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  Speaker 2: up like, well, I guess if you don't like that,
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: then you don't like A Christmas Story. I'm like, A
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  Speaker 2: Christmas Story is a work of genius. And let me
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: tell you how Bob Clark is one of the most
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  Speaker 2: underrated directors ever in the history of film. They were
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  Speaker 2: just like, I don't care this much. And they backed
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  Speaker 2: out of the whole conversation because they knew I was
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  Speaker 2: going to get on a tirade. I can't have normal
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  Speaker 2: human conversations. If you're not a geek, they just learn
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  Speaker 2: to back away from me.
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  Speaker 3: I am in complete agree with you on that. And
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  Speaker 3: Bob Clark was so prolific. I mean, let's just take
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  Speaker 3: just three movies. We mentioned Christmas Story, we've mentioned Porky's,
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  Speaker 3: and then Black Christmas.
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  Speaker 2: The one that I bring up probably more than any
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  Speaker 2: is Black Christmas.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, which basically, like, people want to say, oh,
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  Speaker 3: that's like the original slasher film next to Psycho.
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  Speaker 2: There was other stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, because it was before Halloween, though.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what I always give it credit for. It
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  Speaker 2: was before Halloween. It's doing the POV shot before Halloween.
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  Speaker 2: It's got him living in the house before all the other,
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  Speaker 2: the calls coming from inside the house.
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  Speaker 3: Young ladies get knocked off one by one.
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  Speaker 2: All of these things, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But it was not a success.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I know we watched Fright that was doing
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  Speaker 2: it beforehand. She was a babysitter. I think that was British.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like there's other movies that were. doing that
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  Speaker 2: thing beforehand, but Black Christmas does it so well. It
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  Speaker 2: really does. And kind of pinned down all the things
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  Speaker 2: that even something as groundbreaking as Halloween has to look
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: at and be like, no, that's a good version. I'm
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: going to borrow from this movie.
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: And also, Black Christmas does not have a lot of
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: gore in it like Halloween.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's, again, to be as As weird as it is,
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: like when you stop and look at the specifics of
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: what's going on in that, it is a creepy movie.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: But yeah, not near as gory as many other, I
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: guess the unicorns is probably one of the more gory ones. Sure, yeah.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: But yeah, still not compared to what was coming for
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: slasher movies that it inspired.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because Bob, Black Christmas was like in the late 70s.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: Early or mid-70s, I think.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, did a few other movies.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: Then, you know, Christmas Story comes a little bit later
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: in the 80s, about 83.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: And still, like, all of his missed their mark initially. Like,
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: nobody cared about Black Christmas when it came out. And still,
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: to this day, doesn't get the respect it deserves. Sure.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Even something as huge as Christmas Story, like, didn't make
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: a killing. Like, it maybe made its money back, but it, like...
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: nobody cared till it ended up on vcrs and then
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: cable and then when tbs got a hold of it
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: it became the classic that everybody knows because they ran
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: it non-stop but.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: So porky's essentially was bob's first hit yeah.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: That's the one that really made some money and got
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: him some some notice and then it got two more
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: sequels yeah which he directed is always weird i always
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: think like usually i Then they'll hand it off to
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: somebody else and they'll get some lesser person to knock
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: out whatever. Especially being a cheesy sex comedy.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: Not Bobby.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: No, he's just like, I've got more to say. I've
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: got a statement to make about racism and Porky's is
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: the place I'm gonna do it.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: Well, he's also no dummy because he's a guy that's
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: a story director. He's tried to hit the mark on
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: all different genres. wasn't quite hitting it, but stupid sex
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: comedy was the first bullseye he nailed. So I'm going
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: to show up to the dance with the one girl.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: I'm going to ride this pony. Yeah, leave the dance
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: with the girl he showed up with. So I'm like, yeah,
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: I don't blame him.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: No, definitely not. And that's the thing. It is interesting
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: to go back and watch those because they are exactly
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: what they're trying to be. But at the same time,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: everything that came after it are so lesser, like such knockoff.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: They don't have any effort thrown into it. Like there
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: still are some really good characters in Porky's, you know,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: it's like, so you really kind of get attached to
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: these people. Whereas like, do you ever feel that about
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: dumb eighties comedies, like sex comedies that came after that?
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: You could care less. You're just there to freeze frame
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: the boobs. That's all you're there for. Yeah. Yeah. Where, like,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Porky's didn't set out to do that. It became that,
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: kind of, for most people, but I don't think that's
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: what Bob Clark was trying to do.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: And a work in Shakespeare, too, with some sex comedy
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: as well. Gotta appreciate that a little bit.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, Bob.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: All right, but talking more about our summer films here,
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: get back on track. So, here's the other list of
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: films that were released that summer that essentially did not
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: do anywhere near close to comparison Of little E.T.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Here.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: We have Poltergeist.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Which we talked about Steven Spielberg competing against himself there.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: That was half his movie.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: A couple of times this year. Spielberg really needed to
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: space his stuff out. He really did, yeah. He's never.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, he did that throughout his career. There are
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: several years that he released two big movies in the
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: same year. I mean, Schindler's List and Jurassic Park are
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: the same year. Think about it. Those two, how do
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: you direct those two movies, period, as the same person,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: let alone back to back in the same year? That
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: is weird.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and obviously, Jurassic Park is going to have the
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: more effects-driven stuff, so that's going to take longer. So
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: you probably started shooting that one first. Schindler's List came after.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: And for both of those movies to make a lot
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: of money, especially Schindler's List. There are movies I've seen
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: only once. Because, okay, it's a movie you have to experience.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: I get it. It's not a fun revisit.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: But Schindler's List is a movie I've seen once, and
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: I don't plan on seeing it a second time.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: It's powerful, and it does its job, but it's not
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: a thing you want to keep going back to.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Well, it's kind of the same thing with a lot
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: of the 9-11 movies that came out. For me, the
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: best one was United 93. The Paul Greengrass movie.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: That I've heard. Again, there's so many I didn't watch.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: And that one I keep hearing about because it's Paul
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Greengrass and he actually put some work into it. And like,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: that's the one I keep like, I need to pick
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: up a copy of that now and sit down and
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: actually watch it.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: The Oliver Stone one with Nicolas Cage in it. I mean,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: you might as well have Alan Jackson saying, freedom isn't free.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: They didn't work that in. I assumed they did. That's
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: probably why I didn't watch it.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: That was just pandering garbage. But yeah, but United 93, again,
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: is a powerful movie in the same vein where it's like,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: I only want to watch that one time and I'm
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: ready to go. But let's see here. Other movies came out.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Tron came out in 82.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: A technologically groundbreaking movie. Oh, definitely.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Disney trying to do something a little different.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Which they were a lot at that point.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Failed miserably.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: A couple of misses. I'm a huge black hole person.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: But they did not succeed in what they were trying
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: to do on that one either.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: There has got to be a longer cut of black
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: holes somewhere. Because there's like so many holes, literally, no
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: pun intended, in that movie.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Especially the end. Just things happen and you can piece together.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: But I'm just like... But there's probably a more through-line
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: version of how we got here and what this is
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: and what this is. Because they just kind of throw
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: things at you that last 20 minutes.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: In some world somewhere, Robert Forrester is in heaven. In
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: another world, there is an evil robot ruling hell.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: I love Maximilian so much.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: That was a great design.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: It really is. It's not by accident. There's one right
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: next to you.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, holy shit, there is.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Wow, I didn't notice that. I love Maximilian so much.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's amazing.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Definitely.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, the ship, too. Oh, yeah.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a monster of a thing. But again, just
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Disney being super innovative and not just with, here, we're
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: going to put out a whole bunch of kids' cartoons.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: They were really trying to branch out, and they saw
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: what Star Wars did and was like, we want to
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: do something like that. And then just to do the
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: effects that they're trying to do in Tron that is...
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: really hasn't been touched. Nobody's done anything that had that
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: style to it. Even when they came back to revisit it,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: it just didn't hit the same way. So it's interesting
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: how different Tron was.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: The funny thing about Tron is it was one of
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: those movies that, of course, I recognized even as a kid. Like, okay,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: it's in the low totem pole thing. It's not going
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: to be as recognized as some of the others, but
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: I don't care. It's a favorite. And strangely enough, it
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: is one of the focal points of my marriage because
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: early in our you know getting to know each other
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: sort of thing like we were talking movies growing up
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: and she grew up in a lot of Disney movies
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: and she mentions Tron and I was just awestruck like
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: okay First off, you're a woman and you know Tron.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: And not only do you know the movie, you've actually
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: seen it and you enjoy it. And you've seen it
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: more than once.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: You better hang on to her is what you're.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: You just celebrated 13 years of marriage last weekend.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: I've tried this move before. It doesn't always work. I'm like, hey,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: we're on a date. You want to watch Dead Alive?
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: It doesn't always go that well. She doesn't necessarily like
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: that version of extreme gore and zombies eating babies or
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: zombie babies or lawnmowers or any and all of the above. So, yeah,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: you have to, if you find the person that clicks
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: with whatever your weird thing is, you better hang on
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: to them.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: And another beloved 80s film that didn't do well but
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: was also very innovative, The Last Starfighter. I introduced her
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: to that one, and it's another beloved film between the
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: two of us.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: But I had to introduce her.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: To that one.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I am a sucker for that one for a couple
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: of reasons, but a huge one being Catherine Mary Stewart,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: who I'm still madly.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: In love with.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: And she still is.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: And I've told her that. And she, I mean, well,
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: I've seen pictures of her recently. It's like, she's barely aged.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. It's amazing.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: She's still, I mean, well, there's a lot of women,
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: even in Hollywood, somebody that have been just. They're graced
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: with good genetics, or they know what moisturizer is.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Something along those lines. Thankfully, it's not the other option,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: which is, I'm going to try to keep from getting old. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: And then you just look frightening. Which, yeah, none of
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: that going on there. She is just naturally gorgeous.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Kenny Rogers never, ever recovered.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Please, Kenny. I feel bad for him even now. R.I.P.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: I hope he got his old face back in the
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: great beyond.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: He better did.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, alright. You still haven't gotten to the big
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: one for me. Oh, yes. Which is the counterbalance if
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: we're talking E.T. Yes. Because they were like back to back.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: They were like one week to the next. And also
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: the seesaw of... One style to the other.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: Two different visitors, two different reactions. One would be grandma,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: then would be a drunk uncle, maybe?
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess I'm that drunk uncle, because
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: I am way more attached to that one. And I
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: loved E.T. at the time. But as time went on,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: and the amount of times I watched the thing on cable...
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: As a child, me being the weirdo that I am
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: is because I watched that creature slinging his tentacles around
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: and morphing and I don't like the dog parts. But
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: other than that, like the eating people's faces and mutating
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: heads walking around on their own and all of that,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: like I loved that. And like it says so much
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: about me as a child that I was drawn to that,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: that like I still look at it now and I'm
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: just like, This stuff is so amazing. And that's the thing.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: If you look at some of the behind-the-scenes stuff, like, okay,
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Carpenter didn't have a lot of money. He had a
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: decent budget, but not as much as he could have
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: had in some of his other films. And how much
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: they did with so little, that's all practical effects.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: It's so.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: If you break that down, it's just so gorgeous. I mean, okay,
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: he has this horrible looking stuff, but the artistry that
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: was put into those effects is gorgeous.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: That can be proven because if you watch that redone
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: one a few years ago, it's actually been a lot
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: of years now, but in my mind, the recent one.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Or the prequel or whatever it was. I would say
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: the title, but it's the exact same title, which makes
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: no damn sense to me. So yes, the prequel-y one.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I don't hate that movie. They're trying as best they
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: can But I think the major thing where they fall
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: down is because they cut the budget. And they had
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: planned to do all these cool practical effects. And there's
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: still some in there. But where you see the weaknesses
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: is when the studio stepped in and were like, look,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: we're cutting your budget. You got to get this done.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: You got to get it done way earlier than we
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: thought originally. And all this crappy CG gets thrown at it.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: And that's where those scenes suffer the most. And then
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: you don't care about the rest of the story. It's
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: like everybody hates it because of that. And I'm like, really?
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: If you let them do their thing, if you let
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: the guys who were going to do the practical effects
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: do what they do, I think that one would have
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: had a chance. But it suffers from CG. It just
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: ruins everything going on there. Whereas you don't have any
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: of that in 82. And that's why people still love
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: that movie.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: The problem I have a lot of times with prequels
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: is what is the point? If it's a story we
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: actually want to see, like the Han Solo solo movie,
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: you know, his origin movie. Okay, we got to see
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: how he got the Falcon, how he hooked up with Lando.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: We saw a little too much in that one, really.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: That's my only thing. I like the stuff that we
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: knew nothing about. I like the crazy train robbery, like,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: because that's not, we didn't have to have that.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: It's a cool side story. Yeah, sure, yeah.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Gee, let's get the checklist. How does he get this gun?
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: How does he get this ship? How does the ship
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: look like the way we've seen it? Because right now
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: it doesn't look like the way we've seen it. Like,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: every little thing had to be like, and that's how
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: that happened. I'm like, I don't think we needed all
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: of it.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Well, sure. But for the most part, though, it's kind
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: of like, I kind of ask myself with every prequel
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: that comes out, what's the point? So this movie comes out.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: They're billing it. You know, they're kind of coy about
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: it when they first bill that. It's like they're just
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: calling it the thing. But, oh, it's not a sequel.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: It's kind of a prequel. This is about the group
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: that they met beforehand. Oh, so this is the other
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: research team that we all know get murdered and are dead,
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: except for the one guy who gets out and then
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: he gets shot. So it's like. So we already know
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: what happens in this movie. So you're going to ask
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: me to spend two hours of just basically just rehashing
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: stuff that was done a lot better 20 years ago.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: The only thing that as soon as I watched it
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: that I gave him credit for is how much they
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: make everything match. Like to the point where we see
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: the axe in the door. happen oh sure yeah everything
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: that they find later they found a way to work
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: into that plot really meticulously for a movie that nobody
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: gives a shit about like it's surprisingly tight and trying
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: to match up with this movie that is far superior
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: to it so like credit for even trying that hard
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: because you kind of knew like the deck is stacked
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: against you man People are going to hate this movie
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: because they love the 82. And so, points to them
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: for trying as hard as they did. I know.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: But going back to 82, it's so.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: It seems strange to us because, again, when we talked
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: at the top of the show, it's like you look
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: at this list of all these movies and it's like, oh,
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: my God. These are some of the best movies of
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: the 80s here. There's still more to come that we
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: haven't got to yet that are just fantastic films, especially
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: in the summer. I was like, yeah, and most of
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: these movies did not do well, including some of these,
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: like The Thing.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: The Thing tanked for what they wanted it to be.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it did not do well, and it was one
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: of those ones that picked up a life after it
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: got on video.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: I watched it. Again, I can't remember if it was
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: just showing up on cable. But then once it was
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: on cable, I saw it so many times. Oh, yeah.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: And then years went by, and then I bought it
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: with my own money on VHS, which is also sitting
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: over there next to Maximilian. And, yeah, I watched it
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: so many times on that videotape. And then, of course,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: as soon as it showed up on DVD, I went
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: and bought it. I bought it over and over and
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: keep watching it because it just– it never– it's one
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: of the few. I, on a recent episode, described Halloween
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: as a masterpiece. Between the two, I might still. I
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: love the thing so much that it might be the
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: most impressive thing Carpenter ever did. And I think Halloween
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: is a masterpiece. Critics have always gone back and forth
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: between Halloween and the thing.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: It's his two best. Especially in the horror genre, I
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: would wholeheartedly agree. I would put in some of his
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: action films. We're going to go in all of his
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: other ones because I love Assault on Precinct 13.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: I just watched it recently. It's one of those I
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: knew of it. I saw maybe a few minutes here
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: and there. And I kept going, I need to go
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: back and watch that. And I kept looking for it.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: And I couldn't find a version of it until recently.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: And it's not what I expected. Actually, it's exactly what
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: I heard about it. Right. But I still was expecting
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: it to be a little more. And I'm like, no,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: this is exactly what people described it as. So it's
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: a weird move. But again, I also feel like you see...
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: this impressive filmmaker cutting his teeth. Like, you see him
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: putting together this really cool thing, but it's not as
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: polished as it's gonna be in a couple of years
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: when he makes these other couple of movies.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: In comparison to Dark Star, though, Assault on Precinct 13
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: is a far more polished film.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, it is very polished compared to Dark Star.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: But then, in all fairness, Dark Star, basically, it was
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: a college film.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That one's a rough one. I love Carpenter, but...
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: i was forcing myself to try to watch i.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: Would rather watch ghosts of mars before i would watch
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: dark star.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: I am fascinated by ghosts of mars like we should
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: come back on a whole carpenter train we really should
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: unintended there um yeah so i mean if we're on
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: that sort of offshoot this is also the year we've
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: brought us uh halloween three Season of the Witch. The
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: most monumental of all horror films. Beloved the world over. Okay,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: now there's a group that does. But at the time,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: people lost their minds because it isn't what they wanted. Again,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: talking Carpenter, but people were blown away by that first movie.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: And the second one comes back and does more of
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: what we wanted. Sure. good we can see the third
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: one in this series wait what the hell where's michael
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: where's michael myers what is this weird cop doing why
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: are these kids masks have worms oozing out of the
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: eye holes i like it is the weirdest and i've
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: gotten to where i love it now right but in
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: its own little world in its own world where there's
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: old-timey robots and it has something to do with stonehenge
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what the hell is
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: going on, but I love it.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: It's some sort of weird allegory for consumerism. A good
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: double feature would be to put this and the stuff together.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Of course, at least the stuff was self-actualized. Season of
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: the Witch tried to be... They want to make a
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: real movie.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: The stuff knew exactly what they were doing.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: They're making schlock and they know it and they don't care.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Whereas, yes.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: God bless Larry Cohen.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Halloween 3, they're trying to do something. It's almost too
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: many things. Like, there are so many moments when I'm like, what? But, like,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: why is this even here? Yeah, I mean, I.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: I get the whole premise of what they were trying
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: to do with Halloween 3. It's like, oh, let's keep
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: it in the season, but let's try something different outside
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: of Michael Myers.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Which that I liked as the original concept. Like what
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Carpenter approached it as.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: And they should have done that as a yearly anthology.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: And that should have been Halloween 2.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: That should have been 2. Should have totally been an
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: entire different 180 degrees. Let's do something different. And then
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: we didn't do that because Halloween made so much money
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: that they were like, do we want more of that money? So,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, it is why we have ended up down
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: the Michael Myers road that we have. It kept making money.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I always find it interesting that, you know, even
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: now we've got this kind of sub-genre of fans that,
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: you know, appreciate, you know, Halloween 3 now. It's like,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: why have we never gone back to revisit that? We've
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: had so many, like, we've got a Night of the
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Living Dead sequel coming out. In the very near future,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: essentially it's a Day of the Dead sequel because the
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: three survivors from Day of the Dead reprise their roles
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: in this Night of the Living Dead 2.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah. I don't think I've heard too much. I've
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: been distracted by the animated one that just came out.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: The fact that there's an animated Night of the Living
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Dead that just now happened. I'm like, okay, whatever. I
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: love Night of the Living Dead, so definitely. Whatever you
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: can do with it that's cool, go for it. I
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: don't know that everything's going to be cool.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: Except for the John Russo 30th anniversary cut, which he
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: added new scenes in.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: John Russo's done a lot of strange things in his career. Yes,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: he has. I've watched a few of them, and I'm like, John,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: what are you doing here? I really don't know. So.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: I tell you what, you haven't lived until you've attended
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: a George Romero Q & A that was two years
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: removed from that film's release. And then everybody in the
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: room wants to ask him questions about him and that
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: thing and John Russo. And he was just holding back
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: the venom. He did not want to unleash on his
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: old friend that he no longer enjoyed his company anymore.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: But he was being nice. Uh, but you can tell
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: like he really wanted to just let loose and just
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: let these fanboys know exactly what he thought of his
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: old buddy there.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was always weird because for so many
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: years in recent decade plus, like I went to so
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: many horror conventions and while, you know, George was still around,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: like it was, it was interesting because you, you always
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: had like, they were, banking on anytime they would get
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: george they would bring in everybody else they could sure
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: so a lot of the people from the original night
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: of the living dead that was still around they'd be
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: at a table signing and so you'd have like when
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: it's when he first started coming back like when he
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: we brought it up on the show before when he
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: came to wonderfest like he just showed up like he
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: didn't charge anything he didn't charge anything to come like
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: yeah they were just like hey if we get you
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: here will you sign he's like who's gonna want to
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: come see me but Okay.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: He knew exactly.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Well, he didn't at the time. He didn't think anybody
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: was going to show up. That first one, years ago,
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: before he started doing anything. Because he didn't even charge
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: for autographs. People just showed up and he signed things
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: and he was glad people remembered who he was. So
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: that was like 15 years ago. Then you go.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: That was longer than that.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Probably.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: That was closer to like.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: 20, probably. 25 even. It was a long time. Let
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: me think.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: I've got a picture of that.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: And, God. Yeah, he's probably 20. Yeah, maybe even closer
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: to 30, yeah. That's a long time ago. Yeah, it
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: was a really long time ago. But that shows you, like,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: even he didn't, like, he was, I guess, in the
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: horror world. He was still making stuff. He still had
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: his name recognition. But he didn't have the fan base
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: because the horror fan base wasn't what it was about
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: to become with horror conventions. So you fast forward 10
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: years or so, and any time you would see him,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: that line would be around the block to get people
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: to sign a night of living dead one sheet or something. Yeah.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: And then like, there'd be a table, usually a few
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: aisles over where you'd have Russo. Like, so it was
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: always a different thing because he was banking on like,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: he's like a co-writer. I, I'm, I made this happen,
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: but it's like, it was so interesting that he was
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: always way far away from where George was and, and was,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: he was trying he was he was hawking the stuff
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: he had the merchandise and everything he could but it
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: was just such a different take on it watching him
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: trying to sell himself and being in the same room
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: more or less where george is at yeah and people
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: were lined up around the block for him so it's
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: it was a weird scenario even when they were both
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: still alive and sitting in the same room together.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah i think remember that same year too i think
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: uh thomas vini was there yeah as well so yeah
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: i i've It was a dream come true for me,
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: because I got to meet Romero and Savini on the
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: same day, and they were awesome.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty impressive.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: I was always blown away how, especially as Romero got older,
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: he looked basically like Stanley with long hair.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Like Stanley with a ponytail, that was George Romero. When
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: they were younger, they didn't look.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: No.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: But all of a sudden, when his hair turned gray,
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden it's like, boom, now you look
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: like Stanley.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: What's the deal with old guys and big glasses?
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: That's a good thing.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: I look forward to getting my giant Coke bottle glasses,
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: like a Scorsese.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: I'm working on them. Alright, so back to our ongoing,
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: constantly distracted list.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's how this show works.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: I like it. There's a reason there's a meltdown involved.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: Another groundbreaking sci-fi film that is beloved by critics all over,
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: sci-fi fans all over. The audience didn't understand a damn thing.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: We're talking Blade Runner.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Yep. I was just thinking we got to get to that.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Cause again, more sci-fi that same year and more like
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: visually amazing should completely be revolutionary for the genre. And
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: it kind of eventually would be, but at the time
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: people were just like, the hell's going on? This is
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: the hell's Han Solo doing? This doesn't make any sense. Like,
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I just remember it took a while
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: before it became the beloved sci-fi classic that it now is.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: There was lots of rip-offs, though. Especially when you get
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: a lot of the sci-fi and a lot of the
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: action sci-fi stuff. Especially if they had an alien monster.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: A good example is the Rutger Hauer flick Split Second.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: That's Blade Runner with a lot of water.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: And a monster.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: It's a very stylized kind of city. Everything's dark. Everything's wet.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: It's stylish. I think they even realized their budget limitations
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: and were like, what if it was dark a lot
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: of the time? So you can't see those monsters. So
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: we don't have to do too much With this monster,
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: because we can't afford to do much with this monster.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Make it dark. There's a lot of dark in that movie.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: And we still haven't entirely figured out what this monster is,
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: even by the end of the movie. Oh, yeah. Is
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: it an alien?
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: It's got some plot holes.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Is it a demon?
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: We don't know. I don't know.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: But it's basically, it's Rutger Hauer.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Is King Control tolerable in it? Yeah, she's all right.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's there.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: As time went on, I got where I wasn't so
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: thrilled with her and stuff. But in the beginning, I'm like...
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff I like her in early on.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: She's there.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: She's just kind of there.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's really not important. The dude that was in
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: Krull that plays the police chief, he has a better role. Yeah.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: We just needed a girl. She got cast as the girl.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: The girl, yeah.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: I guess Meg Foster wasn't available, so we get Kim Cattrall.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Off being Evil Lynn somewhere. In a movie, just in
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: her real life. Every day is Evil Lynn for her.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Every day.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: And then other groundbreaking sci-fi films, well, kind of a
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: sci-fi action film, but The Road Warrior, a.k.a.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Mad Max 2. I've, not just recently, but definitely recently
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: come back around to being like one of the most,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: like there are a handful of times in cinema that
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: you can just pinpoint exactly where something came along and
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: everything after it changed.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: And that is the post-apocalyptic world that Road Warrior brought
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: with it. And now everything that mimics a post-apocalyptic, even jokingly,
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: like the perfect example is the alternate universe they go
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: to in Rick and Morty where he gets the arm.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: It is the most jokingly Road Warrior world. And everything
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: from that point, if you were going to do something
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: that was even... Kind of edging its way into post-apocalyptic world.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: You would work in elements that kind of look like this.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: And like some of them were legitimately post-apocalypse. Sometimes it's
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: just like when we were watching the Million Ways to
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Die or whatever that ridiculous John Stamos movie was. I
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: was like those guys, half the cast look like they're
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: out of Road Warrior.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: For no reason. They're in Los Angeles in modern day.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Like there's no excuse for it, except it was an aesthetic.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: It became a thing. And only people that like get
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: into those type of movies, like responded to it. But
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: the ones that did loved it so much that you
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: see it in all these movies that keep coming after it.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: So that is one of those things that I'm just like,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: there are a handful of moments where I'm like everything
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: from this point on, we wouldn't have weird science. We
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: didn't have Road Warrior first. So it's like you can't
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: have the joking mimicry of it until you get the
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: initial thing that changes the whole system. And that was
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Road Warrior.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Even Road Warrior touched so many other places. Lord Humongous
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: was copied so many times in pro wrestling. He's still copied.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: There's a wrestler by the name of Karrion Kross who's around.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: He looks like Lord Humongous. He had a good gimmick
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: when he was in the developmentals and he gets over
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: to the big dance, as they call it, the primetime shows.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: And they change his outfit and now he looks like
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: Lord Humongous. He's got the bullet straps. He's got the
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: weird hockey.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Mask thing that he wears. It's like, why? It's just,
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: it is weird how much, and even weirder that this
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: isn't like, oh, it's the first movie to do this.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: It's the second in a series, but the first one
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: is so weird in its own world that it doesn't
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: even match up with The Road Warrior, really. So, like,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: even in the initial movie, we don't get anything like that.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: But you come back, whatever time period it is later,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: after the first movie supposedly happened. And the world is
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: so different. And so, just, yeah, it changed everything.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: I grew up with the whole Mad Max franchise. I
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: was just, yeah, I mean, I was a movie kid anyway,
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: but I lashed on a lot of the weird stuff.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. And the one thing.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: I've always appreciated about the series, and of course, you know,
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: the Fury Road, the more recent one, is that it
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: is a world that does not get better. it progressively
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: gets worse. Even at the end of the world, it
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: still is getting worse. That's what I love about the
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: whole thing. George Miller is just an insane genius. We
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: can do another show about him, about prolific.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: He is also in the Bob Clark camp of Road
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Warrior and Babe? Yes, there we go. Thank you. There's
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: our comparison. There is our comparison. What the hell is
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: going on in your brain?
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: And he made Babe because, like, I want my kids
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: to be able to watch one of my movies.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: I like penguins. I'm going to make some stuff with penguins. Yeah.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Then I'm going to come back and do more Fury Road. Yeah,
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: it's fine. I'm like, you are an insane person, and
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: I'm so glad you're out there because... You make great
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: movies and they don't make any sense together. But individually,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: they're amazing.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: But it just made my heart so happy when I
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: was like, okay, we're finally getting to Fury Road after
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: so many stalls.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: No pun intended. Things like that.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: And then he still is doing it his same way.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: He's doing it real effects.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: Now, we can't be quite as dangerous and reckless as
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: we were in Mad Max 1 and 2.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But, I mean, come on.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: We saw somebody get in a car wreck. on film
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: in Mad Max 1. The guy survived the car wreck,
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: but nonetheless, we see that happen.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Well, even as the series progresses, it's like, you don't
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: see him doing that kind of crazy stuff by that
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: third one, because by that third one, Mel Gibson is
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: a huge star.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: So it's like, no, no, we can't put him in
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: danger now. But yeah, two, he was still an up-and-coming nobody.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: You can almost kill him.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: It's fine.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: By two, he was becoming the young heartthrob.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: By three, he's Lethal Weapon. He's like, look, there's a
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: reason I got this hair, and you're not cutting it.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: I don't care if I'm coming back. I'm keeping my
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: pretty long hair.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: I gotta go do Lethal Weapon 3. And since we're
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: talking about flowing locks in a desert-like setting, let's talk
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: about Conan the Barbarian and.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Its epic, epic poetry. Another one that... found a home
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: i think more on video and cable i guess it
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: did okay it's in the running there.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: It did well at the box office yeah but.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: I still feel like it's so rumored like people know
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: it almost by title and by like referencing but when
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: you go back and watch it because i remember we
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: did an episode years ago and i went back and
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: it's probably the first time i'd sat down and watched
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: it since i saw it on cable as a kid
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: and i'm just like it is so not what it
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: is not trying to be a schlocky sword and sandal
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: movie like it's trying to be kind of artsy really
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: more so than you would expect from a conan movie
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: now conan the destroyer way more serviceable and in a
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: way i like i liked that like it's it's interesting
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: that it it started to become all of the knockoffs
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: you know it's like all of the movies that came
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: after conan weren't trying to be artsy most of the
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: time they were trying to just have some guys in
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: loincloths and smack some swords together and like and i
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: love those too don't get me wrong but in fact
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: one of them also came out this year but we'll
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: get to that in a minute here um would.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: You be talking about somebody has control over animals perhaps.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe yeah i may have obsessed over this movie
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: most of my life but hbo hey That was another one.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: It was way down the list and I was just like,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: oh my god. That's this year too.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: Another beloved director of mine, Don Coscarelli.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Oh man. Even he doesn't like that movie, but I
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: say he's wrong. I love Beastmaster.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, sir.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: I enjoy your movie very much.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: The sequel's not so much, but the.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: First one is. But that first one is magical. It
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: really is. I know it's not what you wanted it
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: to be, but I don't care. And that's why he
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: signed my one sheet. So there's a Beastmaster one sheet
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: signed reluctantly by Don Coscarelli.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: That's good.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: He was actually such a good sport about it, he
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: didn't even mention that. I've only heard that later in
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: interviews and stuff, how upset he was that the studio
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: wouldn't let him do what he wanted to do. Sure.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: But when I showed up with the poster, he was like, hey, yeah, cool,
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: we had fun doing that like he's still he's just
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: a good spirited guy yeah yeah a lot of interviews
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: i've seen him on it just seems like a really
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: nice guy he's super laid back and knows he's got
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: his hardcore fan base with like phantasm so he doesn't
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: have to worry about you know yeah he can the
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: occasional beast master person comes up like myself and like
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: he's like yeah it's.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Fine and if i've seen another martin or knight riders
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: fan i.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Will hug you uh because that's That would be me.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we are in a minority. But most of the
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: time it's not because they're bad movies. It's because people
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: just haven't seen them.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Again, I like that all of my stuff and my
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: attachment to it filters into stuff laying around my house.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: If you go in the other room, there's a Martin
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: refrigerator magnet.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: That's the level of dork that I am.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: I have a Martin refrigerator magnet. Well, I mean, I
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: showed up in the Flynn's Arcade t-shirt. We're talking about
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: Tron today, so, you know. And this is not my
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: only Tron t-shirt, by the way.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: I have more than one.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Believe that.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: There are a few strange franchises that I have more
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: than one t-shirt representing here. But, yeah, back to Conan, yes,
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: I agree. There was definitely something that John Milius was
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: trying to do, and I was there for it.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: Interestingly enough, Oliver Stone did the first draft of the
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: script on this.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: It was early in his career, still just writing the
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: screenplays and whatnot. I mean, he is a good screenwriter.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's many of the things he went on
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: to make that is pretty solid because it has a
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: good structure there. So I like that we're building on that,
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: but then I feel like it gets spun in a
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: whole other direction once it gets handed off to this
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: director and you get It has to have a lot
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: of things being thrown into that pot. If you're a
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: Conan fan, though, I highly recommend trying to find.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: I'm sure you can.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: Find it online.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: You can get anything online nowadays. But trying to find
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: the original Oliver Stone script for that. Because it's weird.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: It gets very psychedelic in some spots. You just got
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: back from Nam, man.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: What do you want?
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: But yeah, there's some real psychedelic spots in there where
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: it's kind of like, okay, you were... You were doing something.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: I know John Milius kind of toned down a lot.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: There's a little bit of that in there.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Again, more than you would expect for the type of
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: movie you would think that it is. But it gets
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: a little trippy here and there.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, basically the scene with the witch would have been weirder.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: And definitely the Thulsa Doom transformation scene was a lot weirder.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: And there's some other weirdness in there too. But yeah, it's...
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: It's an interesting read to see where we were going
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: and where we went. But yeah, Conan the Barbarian plays
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: a very heavy role in my upbringing because it was
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: one of the two R-rated films I saw at a
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: tender age of eight years old. My first R-rated film.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: We went to a drive-in because I was a huge
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: Conan fan because I grew up on the Robert E.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: Howard stuff and the comics. And so a movie was
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: coming out and I'm like, yeah, I'm there. I didn't
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: really even know who Arnold was. I was like, it's Conan.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: I mean nobody really did at that point like he'd
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: already made stuff but unless you were following his bodybuilding
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: career it's like he really didn't break through until conan
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: and terminator so.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah i i did not see uh what was
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: the bodybuilder the raw.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: Pumping iron pumping iron yeah he's in that one and.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah i was thinking a raw deal i was like
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: no that was his mobster.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Movie is he in uh what is the Is it
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: a Hercules movie? Yeah, there's a Hercules movie. One of
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: those really ones that nobody saw. But other than that,
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: it's Conan and Terminator that makes him a household name.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and God bless my parents.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: They took me to the drive-in.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: And we saw Conan the Barbarian, and I'm like.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Were people getting their heads chopped off?
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: It's very violent. I'm seeing some.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: Boobs, and this is pretty good.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: It was pretty hardcore for its time. I was there
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: for its time, yeah. And we stayed for the second film.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: The second film of the two-film double feature, 48 Hours.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Another totally different genre, but groundbreaking in a way. Again,
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: you saw them completely try to rip off this if
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: not the screenplay, certainly the idea, the chemistry, the, I mean,
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: would we have even had the term a buddy cop
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: movie without 48 hours, which is funny because one of
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: them's not a cop at all, but like it kind
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: of created that mold that everything that came after that, again,
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: would we have lethal weapon without 48 hours?
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but there's a career making film for
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: Eddie Murphy, you know, so it made him a household name.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Most definitely.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you already knew him from SNL at
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: that time, but, It showed he could do something else. Yeah,
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: that was a huge thing for him. Yeah, so those
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: two movies are my first R-rated films that I saw
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: at the tender age of eight years old.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Explains so much.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: It really does. Both of those films, especially Conan, will
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: have a very warm place in my heart. But Walter Hill,
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: director of 48 Hours, another director I could do a
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: show on.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've mentioned that, so we may... pencil in some
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: of these for future.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: Future episodes alright so a couple more movies to get
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: to to round out our just the summer movies just
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: the summer movies here Fast Times at Ridgemont High came
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: out this summer.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: I've heard of that one there's a couple of people
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: you might have seen in other things later.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: Just a few a very famous scene thanks to Celebrity
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: Skin As told us there, one of the most famous
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: nude scenes in all cinema.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it broke a lot of young boys.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: Maybe some girls.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: There was a lot of stock in Kleenex that year.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: I think it just, yeah, I don't think people knew
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: what to do once that happened. I think there was
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: a lot of people who had a really good idea.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know what they did right away. It took
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: them a minute to be like, okay, wait.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: What do I do? At least wait until they got home.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: They figured it out then.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. This is an instructional video that Judge Reinhold is
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: putting together for us.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: It is, yeah.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: See, there you go.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: That's another groundbreaking.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: He created a J-O-I. So, there's a lot going on.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: And again, that's impressive just for writing and being like
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: another supposed to be teen movie, in quotes here, but
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: like kind of brutally honest about a lot of stuff.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: So Amy Heckerling puts together a really impressive movie here
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: for somebody that people weren't really familiar with and didn't
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: have a huge budget but had this amazing cast of
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: nobodies at the time. Basically, none of them were really
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: recognizable and put together this amazing movie that, again, when
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: you go back and watch it years later, you're just like, wow,
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: they were... Doing a lot of stuff you wouldn't think
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: they would get away with. And I think that's why.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: It's so under the radar at that point.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: And I think of the 80s films, especially like your
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: coming of age, your sex comedy movies, it's one that
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: still holds up today.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: That one does.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: Because there's still teen pregnancy. There's still, you know, boyfriends
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: ditching their pregnant girlfriends.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: There's another one on this list that ruined my life
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: at that point. Again, I forgot was also this year.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: If we're going down the teen comedies, sex comedies. Uh-huh.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: leaving your girlfriend getting people pregnant like i was not
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: prepared for that movie at all do we want to
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: jump to that i don't know let's do it summer
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: but i again we did a whole episode on it
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: and i i again it's one of those i started
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: piecing together like i hadn't watched it in years and
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: then i went back i was like oh yeah i
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: remember watching this on cable as a kid and Probably
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: for the, oh boy, it's a sex comedy. Boobs. No.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, yes, that's there. But we're talking The Last
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: American Virgin. And if you've not seen it, you're not
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: prepared for what's going to happen. You may think it's
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: a dumb sex comedy and half of the time you're right. Yeah.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: But that other half is mean. It is just a
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: brutally honest. this is the way the world works, kids.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: And I realized like, that's, that's the wonder of doing
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: this ridiculous show is talking about stuff and then figuring
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: out how not just we as society and the movies
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: that we watch, but personally how we like got to
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: where we are. And I'm like, I think back and
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: I'm like, this will be the one if not just
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: for me, for so many kids, that's just like, okay,
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: you're ruined now.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: Don't ever get in a relationship. Don't ever trust anyone. Like,
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: everything about this is just, oh, God. Like, it's just mean-spirited,
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: and it didn't mean to be that. Like, it's a
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: redone version of a movie from a different country that
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: we put together and shoved in the sex comedy, which
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: actually is in the original one, but we put this weird,
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: hard edge to it that just.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know that I recovered ever after that.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: Well, it's kind of one of those movies that, like,
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: it is brutally honest in the same way that, you know,
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: Ridgemont High is.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: But Ridgemont High still has a little bit of entertainment
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: value with the brutality.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Genuinely funny along the way.
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: Last American Version, you're leaving that movie, like, Oh God. Yeah.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: It's like, okay, well relationships are bad. Men are pigs.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: Cause the funny stuff is like, it feels like one
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: of the ones that was a knockoff trying to be porkies.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: It's the same year. So it really couldn't have been
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: trying to be that. It was just trying to be
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: a genuine sex comedy of the time. But those don't
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: hold up. Like those scenes are just kind of like
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: another dumb 80s sex comedy. And like, they're just silly
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: and there to show boobs. But like, then you flip
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: the switch to the other side of that screenplay and
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: you're just like, oh God, like this is terrible. So
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: if you haven't seen it, run out and watch that one.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: Cause I have not recovered yet.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: If Brick by Ben Folds Five is one of your
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: go-to happy songs, then check out the last American version
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: because you're going to have a romp of a good time.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Poor Diane Franklin. I remember talking to her, and even
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: then I had to be like, I hope you're happy.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: You guys ruined me. Are you okay? This is why
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: I'm messed up now. It's all your fault. Okay, it's
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: not your fault, but the director's fault.
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: Let's see here. But yeah, other movies that we're getting
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: outside of the summer now, there are some other decent
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: genre films, stuff I've beloved as a child.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: A lot of horror stuff that year, surprisingly.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: That year too, but we briefly touched on Beastmaster.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: Love that movie. Seen it a ton of times.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Life-changing for me.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: The Sword and the Sorcerer. One of my favorite obscure movies.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: Starring good old-fashioned Lee Horsley fresh off of a hotel's cancellation.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: There's so many of those that become a blur. I
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: watched so many as a kid on cable. And now
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: it takes all this time to go back and piece together.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: The only one I really remembered... was beastmaster because i
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: watched it so many damn times and all the rest
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: i'm like now which is the one with this and
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: this happened and so it's only years later when i
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: go back and watch them i'm like okay i do
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: remember this and this is the yeah so i i
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: have to like separate my sword and sandal movies because
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: they all become a big blur.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I grew up on all those. I mean, I
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: celebrate a lot of them, even the bad ones.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: The bad ones are almost better sometimes.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: They really are. And I highly recommend, if anybody's an
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: Amazon Prime subscriber, they are glorious about having a lot
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: of the Rift Tracks stuff on there. And the Rift
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: Track fellas do your Warrior of the Future stuff. And
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: the only good thing about that movie was the theme song.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: If you're into 80s cheesy metal. Because that's a really
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: cool song with a really shitty movie.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: Those type of movies. They are their own thing.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: Hawk the Slayer.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: See, that one I did. I watched that one a lot.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: Now, I will fervently defend Lady Hawk.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: I will defend that one. I think I fell into
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: the category of most people when I saw that. And again,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: I was relatively young, but I was just like, this
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: is slow. There's not enough swording going on. I think
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: I went in like everybody else, expecting it to be Beastmaster,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: and it's not.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: Obviously, what they were trying to do, what Tony Scott
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: was trying to do when he was making that movie was,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: let's make a fantasy film that would appeal more to women.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. have more of a romantic angle and that's probably
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: why dumb kid me was just like what is this
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: well and you you.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: You shouldn't be faulted for that because of the marketing
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: of said film because the marketing didn't know what the
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: hell they had and the.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Thing is i haven't watched it since then so if
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: i go back and watch it now i hope i'm
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: a little more developed and i would actually appreciate the
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: story that they're trying to tell because at the time
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: i was just like.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: This is slow Well, you have a very kind of
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: like warm sort of relationship between Rutger Hauer and Matthew
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: Broderick's characters. And you've got the nice love story and
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: the star-crossed lovers, you know, the separation and everything. And
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: there's shape-changing involved.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: That's cool.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, okay. Yeah, so it's definitely was trying to
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: do something a little different. And I appreciated what it
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: was doing because I saw so many of these fantasy films.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: I appreciate the ones that went a little different, like
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: your Legends and, you know, whatever else, you know.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: I remember even at the time thinking the casting on
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Matthew Broderick was weird. Do you agree now? Since you've
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: watched it more recently, I would assume. Does it feel
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: like a real reach in the casting department of like,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: let's make something popular with the kids too. It felt
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: like it was a, they know this guy, let's put
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: him in here.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: He didn't seem completely out of place, I don't think.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: It was definitely, if you weren't prepared for the fact
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: that this is going to be a little bit of
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: a different film than the humor that he brings is off-putting.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: It just seemed a little modern compared to everything. And
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: Rutger Hauer is being very of the time. And Michelle
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: Pfeiffer is being very period piece. And then Matthew Broderick
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: seems a little modern. But that's just... Again, that's just
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: my memory of it. I have not watched it in
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: quite a while.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: But, you know, you're not off the mark, though. Yeah, but...
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: I guess they had to throw in some comedic value
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: in there.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: So there you go. You just throw in Ferris Bueller.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: Kids like him. I feel like the meeting notes right there.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: They were just like, kids like Ferris Bueller. I was
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: trying to think. What was... Because that was pre-Ferris, wasn't it?
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: That was pre-Ferris. So he was known for War Games.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: War Games, yeah.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: I loved War Games. I watched a lot of that one.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I would have known him.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: Any hacker worth their salt of a certain age knows
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: War Games. And you love that movie because it taught
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: you things.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know that I was a hacker, but I
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: was playing my Vic-20.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: I wasn't either, but there were some kids out there
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: who had to be. Let's see here. Other beloved movies.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: First Blood.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: I just, as the Rambo genre goes, this is definitely
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: the tentpole.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: This is the Mad Max of them because it isn't
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: the movie that the rest of them would become. Right.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: It is a, it's actually like a decent drama and
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: it is kind of about this character and his coming
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: back for more and suffering the country, not wanting him.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: And yeah, nobody knowing what PTSD is at that point.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: So he's going through some mental stuff and the, the
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: country doesn't really want him. And like, so it, it,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: It actually has some serious stuff at the heart of it. Right.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: And it doesn't... Like, it gets to be an action
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: movie before long, but it still doesn't get to the...
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: crazy over the top level of anything to follow even
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: in the very next movie like rambo is an over-the-top
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: explosion of a movie that is yay gung-ho join the
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: army kids first blood is not that first blood is
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: for the love of god don't join the army.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah it is the opposite of that and it's so
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: strange how that was kind of like so beloved of
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: the series it's like.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: It's not the same type of movie at all.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: It's completely antithetical. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's like, well,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, the original ending for First Blood, John Rambo dies. Yeah.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: He dies in a hail of gunfire.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: Which wouldn't actually fit the rest of that story perfectly.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: It really wouldn't, yeah. I mean, because he has the
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: whole conversation with Colonel Troutman in the store, and reminiscing
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: on his buddies getting killed and all that stuff, and
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: he comes back dumping all his emotions.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: To his old friend.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: And then basically he still, you know, something triggers him.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: He goes back out and, you know, takes a few
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: cops with him and then they mow him down.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: End of movie.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But then like, oh no, we're going to make
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: a franchise of this guy.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: I don't even know. Did they know then that they
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: were going to make a franchise? Or was it just like,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: this isn't going to play well to audiences. We'll at
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: least have him. He'll get arrested. That's a downer of
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: an ending, right? So. I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like they were planning a franchise with
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: that character because he's so low key and he's hurt.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: He's a wounded character, but he's not the guy you
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: see in Rambo.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: Not a hero, yeah.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: He's not what we see in any of these sequels.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: Or even what you would want to pin your action
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: movie on. He's so reluctant in that first one. He
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: doesn't want to kill people. He just sort of snaps
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: back into Vietnam mode.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: Sure, yeah.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: He doesn't want to do it. He goes out of
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: his way to not hurt people in that first movie
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: as long as he can. If they just leave him
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: the hell alone, he'd be fine. But again, that's one
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: of those I recently was referencing when we lost Brian Dennehy.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: I was like, that's such a great... Brian Dennehy role.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: It really is.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: He is so good.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: And it's like the other hand. He is the balance
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: to that movie that makes it not just a forgettable.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: I think if you didn't get Rambo out of this,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: people might not even remember that movie if it didn't
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: have that other... It's such a good balance between him
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: and Brian Dennehy.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: I know. Brian Dennehy could just play just a bad guy.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: There was no... He didn't have any kind of grand performance.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: It was just a slight turn of things.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not even really the villain of it. He's just...
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: He makes things worse. He makes bad decisions and ends
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: up hurting our hero, but I'm like, he's never an
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: out-and-out villain. He's just a guy that does the wrong thing,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: and he picked the wrong guy to do it with.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: He's a major asshole.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: He's kind of... He has a badge. But he didn't
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: even start off. He's just kind of like... if you'll
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: get the hell out of my town, I'll leave you.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: You know, that's what I think is funny. Like back
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: when vagrancy was, you know, an issue.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: When that's what you could get arrested for and escorted
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: out of town for. I was like, yeah, now all
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: we have is homeless people. So good luck. But yeah, I,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: I really like first blood and I think it's so
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: different than everything else in that series. even the later ones,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: which are fun. That last one's odd, but the one
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: before is really cool. The way that they re-approach that character,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: but all of them are just so different than first blood.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: Well, you got to think of some of the politics
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: that go into it. Like, you know, Rambo 2 is
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: obviously like yay Reaganomics.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: It was almost the poster for that era of politics.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: We were so yay America at that point.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: And then we had some hostage crisis situations in the
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: news at that time too. So this was like, hey,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: we're going to go and we're going to get those
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: guys over there.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: This is how we deal with things. You don't mess
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: with us because we'll come in with guns a-blazin' like Rambo.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: Like it was the poster child for that party and
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: that movement in that point in time.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: And then we go into Rambo 3.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: That one's really weird because at the time it was
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: just another story but now when you dig into the
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: politics of it it is a weird movie.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: The movie is dedicated to the taliban.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: Let's help get you guys some weapons okay.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: Because rambo was helping out the afghanistan's from the evil.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: Russians well we do hate russia we we do we
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: certainly do in the 80s yeah we we hate.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: Russia we don't ever hate afghanistan then um But yeah,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: now we got some issues with them.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: Issues, we'll say.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, talk about major regrets on a piece of film there.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: It's like, okay, you can get away with the whole movie,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: but when that little title card comes up, dedicated to
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: the freedom fighters of Afghanistan and the Taliban, like the
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: word Taliban pops up and we're dedicating this movie and
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: praise all out of you guys.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: Like, oh. When they put it out on DVD, do
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: you think they pulled that part in?
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: I feel like they should have. Last time I saw
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: the movie, and it was on a streaming service, I think,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: that title card's still up there. No one's noticed that
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: except for us.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: See, well, that's the thing. Nobody cared about it. Like,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: even at the time, the third one didn't do great.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: Oh, God, it did not.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: It died and kind of killed the franchise for a
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: long time there.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was not good.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: And it had a lot to do with that curly mullet.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: It was not a good look. Two is his iconic look.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: He's still got the longer hair, but he looked pretty cool.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: The headband made it okay.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: Somebody got a hold of him and permed his ass
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: and then sent him to Afghanistan.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a bad idea.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Both of them.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But let's see here.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: Some other interesting entries into film history here. Grease 2.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: The Beloved Grease 2.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: Well, it's beloved by some.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: Not that many. Not many.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: Mostly beloved for all the wrong reasons. That's probably the
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: original intention.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: I feel like there's a hardcore fan base of genuine
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: musical people that do like that one. And maybe just
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: because they didn't like the first one, they want to
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: have something to latch on to. And it is so
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: not that first movie that I don't... I kind of
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: remember seeing it on cable. I don't remember much of anything.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: For me, in my experience, it seemed to be on
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: HBO once every 48 hours. That sounds about right.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: But then again, in the old days of cable, they
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: only had about 10 movies, and they just looped them.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: But I mean, I have to at least appreciate the
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: fact that what musical are you going to have a
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: song that's about bowling, but it's also a sex allegory?
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: The only reason it's gotten anything lately was that extra
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: little tidbit, I guess pun intended, that is going on
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: in the background of a scene lately. Have you seen this?
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: Pop up, pun intended again. There's a scene where they're,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: and this was just in the last year, people were like, hey,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: check this out. And they're having dialogue in the front
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: of the scene and in the back there's a guy
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: doing hurdles. And he's wearing, I don't know, I guess
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: old 80s shorts.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: And that's all he's wearing. And they're like, hey, watch. Oh,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: all right. Who didn't catch that in the editing bay?
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: Somebody needed to be paying attention to the background.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, that's definitely, I mean, like, there's always
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: the ending of Teen Wolf that people want to point out.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: Which you have the different versions of when you go
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: back and look, depending on how they, like, the way
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: that they edit it for... the VHS version versus what
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: was shown on cable looks different. Like, so that one,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: I'm still not sure. I think I knew what was
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: going on with that. And then later I saw it
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: from a different release and I'm like, I don't know
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: what the hell, I don't know what's happening. Put your
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: pants on.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: Well, and there's opposing stories on the Teen Wolf story.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: There's basically, there's stories that people say, yeah, the guy
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: basically purposely did it. He pulled his member out and
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: stood up, you know, and everybody else is cheering and
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: all that. And you can blatantly see his wang and
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: you know, and I, And then there's somebody who's like, oh, no,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: he had his hand in his pants and had his
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: finger around.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: That old trick. So believe what you watch.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: And there are, again, depending on what cut you watch,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: sometimes it looks the other way. So I'm like, all right, whatever.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: This was just going on in the background, and I
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: don't know that it was meant to be happening.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: This was a well-endowed gentleman wearing short shorts and doing athletics.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: And those two don't always, well, it depends on what
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: you're looking for, I suppose. Maybe it goes just the
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: way you want it to.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that may have been the highlight of
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: your movie there, really.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: But especially in the theater, on the big screen.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: I would think somebody would be like, wait. Can we
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: run that back to his pre-VHS days?
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: I'm hoping the actor felt really good about that because
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: you're always like, oh, you feel so vain when you
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: see yourself like 40 feet tall on the screen and, oh,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: I look fat in this.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: No, in that case, like, you know what?
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: That looks good.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would think most people don't remember anything else
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: about this movie, but if I'm remembered for that, I
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: got something going for me. Whew. And let's see here.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: Out of that transition... Yeah, to go away from the creepy,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: perverted stuff and just creepy puppetry, I loved The Dark
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: Crystal as a kid.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: Ah, there we go.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: And again.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: Groundbreaking and so much so just because it's i mean
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: it's coming from jim henson who everybody knows from the
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: muppet show but he's again he's always taken what he
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: does very seriously and this is maybe the first time
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: it's a hundred percent we're doing something that's not just
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: fun and games it's not for laughs essentially there's a
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: few fun moments here and there but For the most part,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: this is a serious adult story that just happens to
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: be kind of geared for kids because there's puppets involved. But,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, hell, he didn't want to have them speak English.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: You were going to have to read subtitles the way
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: he envisioned it.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: So it obviously wasn't really made for kids. I would
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: still like to have seen that movie, you know? I
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: don't want to read anything now. So I'm glad they
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: talked him out of that part. Plus, I get to
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: hear the weird voices because, oh man, that's Skeksis.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: He's awesome. and all like everybody's just has such great
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: performances anyway like the visual interpretations of them are great
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: but then the hips as always with you know hints
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: and stuff they have these great voices and yeah it
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: just all comes together i was way more into that
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: one a lot of people leaned more towards labyrinth in
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: the future but to me i this one felt so
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: serious because it didn't have silly songs and it didn't
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: have a rock star thrown in just to be cool
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: and speaking of members that was also his feature in
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: another year but yeah in this year dark crystal i
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: think was just so different and so again kind of
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: along the lines of electron of like entirely different look
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: a different approach to something we barely had anything with
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: this much puppetry period anywhere in the world let alone
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: a feature film that is nothing but puppets and nothing
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: but a completely reimagined world that isn't relying, even coming
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: out of the Star Wars stuff. It's like we had
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: Empire Strikes Back. We had Yoda worked into it, but
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: for the most part, it's all human actors and look,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: there's Han Solo. Yay.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: But this, this almost feels like it takes more of
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: a page for like Lord of the Rings, you know,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: kind of feel to it, that level of, you know, epic.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And taking itself that seriously. Sure. Yeah. It's not,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: it's not winking at anybody. It is not, it's not
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: Kermit telling jokes. Like it is in its own world
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: and it's, The stakes are really high. We're going to
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: murder a puppet later. We're going to watch, and it's
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: going to be disturbing. So, yeah, that's the one that
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: I remember as a kid just being like, this is,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: in a way, it feels like it's meant for me
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: as a kid. But in a way, it feels super
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: serious and like a grown-up thing. And that's, I think,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: what I latched on to about it.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was unlike Tron, which I immediately latched on
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: to when I first saw it as a kid. It
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: took me a few years on Dark Crystal.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: It was a movie I kept coming back to constantly, though,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: because I knew that there was something special about it
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: that I needed to appreciate, but I guess I had
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: to wait for maturity to catch up.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: I still feel like it didn't do great. I guess
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: people just... It was Henson, and they loved him enough
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: they wanted to keep giving him stuff, but I feel
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: like if this just came out of nowhere... nobody would
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: have handed more projects to whoever this director was. Sure. Yeah.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: The fact that it had hints and, and his following
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: behind it, you know, he would get to go on
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: and do other stuff obviously, but I feel like it
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: still wasn't all that well received at the time. Not,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: not the way it should have been coming off of,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: you know, how recognizable he was. Yeah.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: In this country, definitely overseas, especially like in like France
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: and England and Germany. So yeah, it was much, it
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: was much more better, much better received. Yeah, sure. Uh,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, I love, too, the fact that, you know,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: it got the kind of revival with the Netflix Age
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: of Redemption series.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: Which, of course, kind of takes place before the movie.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: But still, for them to, for Brian Henson and his
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: team to go in and still do the puppets and
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: the practical effects and everything like that. So, to keep
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: true to the film. And so, he's kind of given
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: the film a second life for the whole new generation
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: so I'm very thankful for that because yeah it's definitely
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: one of those movies that yeah it stuck out like
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: a sore thumb when it was released but it was
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: it is a special film because of The fact that
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: it's never been really replicated.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: No. I mean, again, even trying to do stuff like Labyrinth,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: like they immediately were like, well, we got to get
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: some humans in there. Let's get a cute kid and
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: we got to have a dumb baby and we got
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: to have a rock star. That's why the Muppet movies
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: worked because we got our celebrities in there. Yeah, we
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: worked in that. Those worked because they felt like a
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: bigger extended version of the show. They still had the
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: celebrities in there. They had them telling jokes and like
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: they kind of acknowledged there was an audience. So it's
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: like it still sort of felt like the show. Right.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: This was a far and away from what the TV
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: show is doing.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: I was always kind of impressed with that. And again,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: creepy kid that I was like attached to the weird,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: I thought Skeksis were amazing. And they're the creepiest things
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: in the world. Those giant bug beetle things that are
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: coming after them. Like I still like, those are so creepy.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. And like, I love like how physical and
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: practical they were. And it felt like they were going
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: to get you. Like, Those are so cool. And, like,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: that's something you couldn't get in any other way. So, yeah,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: I just always gave credit for that, for being as
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: weird and different as it was in a year of
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: a lot of really cool movies.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, definitely if you're a parent out there that has, like,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: some kids that basically you– I don't want to dub
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: this the weird kid. But, yeah, if you've got the
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: weird kid out there and, you know, maybe trying to–
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: you can't quite pigeonhole them, show them Dark Crystal. I
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: think they may have some appreciation for this.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: See how they do. Maybe they're ready for other stuff
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: after that. Or you've ruined your child. Whichever. I mean,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: I turned out great. I saw a thing.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: Go on.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: Oh, let's see here. Got one more I got to
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: talk about here. Just because it is a movie that
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: wanted to be so much more. It wanted to be
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: a franchise. They wanted to do toys and comics.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: And video games.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: They thought they had a thing down. And what they had...
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: Was not.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: I am referring to Megaforce. This is one I think
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: I only saw later when it had its reputation behind it.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: I don't think I remembered it being the push at
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: the time. They really wanted it to be more.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: If you were a reader of comic books around that
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: time of release, this would have been the greatest movie
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: in all of moviedom.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: I was hit and miss with my comics, so obviously
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: I missed that off-ramp.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: They did some heavy advertising. This looked like the most
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: badass thing. I wasn't even paying attention to the fact
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: that this was Brad from Rocky Horror. that just slapped
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: a beard and a beige jumpsuit on him and said,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: you're Duke from G.I. Joe. Because essentially, that's what this
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: movie is.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: That's the only thing. Yeah, again, it is very recent
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: that I somehow, of all the weird, goofy movies I
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: watched growing up, somehow that one eluded me. And it's
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: only in recent years when I definitely, for a long time,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: knew him as Brad and went back and saw the
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: trailer and was like, what the hell is this? And
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: how have I not seen it already?
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: And the weird thing is, like, The G.I. Joe, like
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: a real American hero, like toy franchise had only been
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: around for about a year.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it wasn't what it, I mean, it, it,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: it built a whole life out of the Rambo. Like
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: the Rambo mentality is what like, yeah, G.I. Joe, let's
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: go Joe. Like, yeah, it also banked on that. state
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: of mind that the whole country was in.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Megaforce really wanted to be, you know, like, you know,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: Star Wars military kind of thing like that. You know,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: they had vehicles, you had all kinds of characters, you
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: had your bad guy, you had your hero and his,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: you know, his lucky lady and you had all the things.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: The whole, everything was there except for a good watchable movie.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: A screenplay maybe?
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it was.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: Special effects that you would want to see? Yeah, it just, yeah.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: They built some cool sets of Viggles.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: I'll give them that. There's some decent costumes in that movie.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: Maybe we need to work it on the list. We'll
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: come back to it.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: Do a full episode. Speaking of comic book stuff here,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: here's an adaptation that is a weird one in comic
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: book things here because you're taking a character who, at
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: the time this movie comes out, is a highly respected
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: character in DC Comics lore. Thanks to basically definitely, you know,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: the Alan Moore run of Swamp Thing, which basically kind
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: of reinvented the character, gave him much more of a
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: mystical sense of, you know, things and interwoven within the
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: earth and, you know, kind of a, you know. you know,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: protecting the planet sort of thing like that, but very
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: mystical side of things.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: Which is really early for that, too. By the time
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: you get to the 90s, like, we're really, we've got
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: a whole Earth Day and Captain Planet, and we've got
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: this whole, like, we're starting to get this, hey, you know,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: we might be ruining the planet. We didn't really have
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: that in the 80s yet, so this was kind of
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: on the cutting edge of that.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so when, you know, some of the press for
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: when this movie was first kind of being talked about,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: people were like, oh, cool, we're going to get kind
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: of an Alan Morris kind of thing.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: No. No.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: No, no.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: What you get is Wes Craven. Talk about a guy.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: That had ups and downs.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's... He had one huge up there with Mr.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: Freddy Krueger.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: He's solid on so many points, but then there's all
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: these other weird little things along the way that you're like, wait,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: he made that? And he made that.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: I know you all talked recently about People Under the
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: Stairs in a recent episode. I would also care to
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: see your People Under the Stairs and raise you Serpent
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: in the Rainbow for a weird Wes Craven.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: I remember that was one they were pushing. I remember
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: the TV ads for that constantly. They really were. Because, again,
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: it's coming after Nightmare on Elm Street. So he is
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: a bankable name. Yeah. Regular people still didn't know what
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: to do with most of his movies. So it's like,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: it didn't do great, I feel like. It got respect
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: in the horror world. But I feel like regular audiences
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: were just like, what is this? Zombies, but not zombies
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: we want.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: It's voodoo zombies.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: What is this voodoo going on? This is creepy. No,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: thank you.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: It's that voodoo that you do so well.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it just confused people, as a lot
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: of his off movies. projects did and i.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: Would put swamp thing in an off project here because
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: we've got i mean granted you still have the the
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: basis of this you know his origin the alec holland
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: he's a scientist he's a biologist he's in the swamp
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: setting cures for diseases and basically he you know stumbles
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: upon some things and some guys try to take it
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: from him and then there's an accident and basically now
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: he becomes swamp creature because his chemicals and all that
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: jazz you know okay So we get that, and so
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: basically now you've got a guy running around in a
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: green bodysuit, you know, hanging out with Adrian Barbeau, which,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, who wouldn't want to hang out with Adrian Barbeau?
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: I feel like that was the real push on it.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: People wanted to see Adrian, well, certain people wanted to
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: see Adrian Barbeau, so.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: I know I did, yeah. In 1982, I was a
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: huge Escape from New York fan. Oh, yeah. So if
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: she was going to pop up in a movie, I'm there.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. The fog. Yes. She had a little
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: run there of those.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: She did.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: She did. She had a good run there, yeah.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: But yeah, so it was just kind of like, it
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: was one of those many comic book movies that the
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: fans got excited about it for about five minutes. Until
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: you saw a trailer, or until you actually went to
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: the theater and saw the movie, and you're like, oh
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: dear God, what is this?
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: It's only years later when I went back and went,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: what is Leland Palmer doing in here? How did you
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: get to be Swamp Thing? Like, I totally forgot that
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: aspect of it. Yeah. Granted, he doesn't get near the
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: screen time that our big green friend does, but like it, yeah,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: it is, it's just, it's an odd setup to the movie,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: because I remember going back to watch it when I
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: was going to talk to him, and like, I'm like,
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: you're the big Marvel superhero. Before Marvel kicked in and
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: took over, you were like pre-Batman in the DC universe
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: as like a big mainstream movie made about you being
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: a superhero. So I was just like, that's way ahead
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: of the curve on that one. I don't know. It
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: didn't really work, but it was ahead of everybody else
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: doing it.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: Another show we could do was weird comic book movies
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: that didn't either... They weren't comic movies, like they tried
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: to make a new superhero or whatever else. I'm looking
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: at you, Condorman. Or, you know.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: Which I have the book for that right over there.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: Since this is a running theme of dumb things I
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: have around my house, the paperback of Condorman is right
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: over there.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: Or just, you know... But yeah, there's so many failed
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: superhero stuff. People just don't appreciate, people of a certain
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: age now do not appreciate what, especially what the Marvel
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: Cinematic Universe has brought to comic book movies. People even
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: want to dare so much to say, oh, I'm getting
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: tired of comic book movies. I'm like, shut your freaking face.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: We could go back to Dolph Lundgren Punisher if that's
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: what you want. Yeah.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: I have more appreciation for the Dolph Lundgren Punisher because
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: of its mere accuracy versus Batman 89, which has Joker
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: killing Batman's parents. I'm like, I'm sorry. Back then, 89,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: I was crying foul.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: Well, they didn't listen to you because we got to
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: see that scene 14 times since then. And anything they
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: make that involves Batman, we get a flashback.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: Well, you can flashback his parents getting killed all the
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: time just know the fact it was not jack napier it.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: Was because it's jack nicholson he's the star you have
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: to also make him murder people he can murder people.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: All he wants to you can have the joker that's
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: the great thing about The Joker and Batman and their
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: whole relationship was like, why is the Joker why he is?
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: Why does he hate Batman? Why does he have to go?
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: There is no reason.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: He is insane.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: You don't need a reason if you're crazy.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: But you made me. But you made me first. Yeah.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: We need that. That's important.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: Not really.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: But I digress. Swamp Thing, it was a rarity to
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: get Superman 78s. Which I still hold up in the
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: comic book genre as a perfect movie.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: I think it definitely holds up even now looking at it.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: It's still my go-to when I think about Superman. I
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: don't like any version since then. Definitely not in film.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: I don't care about any of them. No disrespect to
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: Henry Cable.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: He's a fine actor. He's been in lots of other stuff.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: But he's just.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: don't like him in that role at all it's it
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: chris free will always be yeah that's my go-to for superman.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: And it's funny because how bad how many different actors
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: have played batman and everybody's kind of got their own
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: batman or ones they favor over others but it's like
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: there have been the same with superman there have been
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: many different superman actors.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: They've tried but and every time i'm like oh no
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: this is no no and you gotta.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: Think about it's like Henry Cavill looks more like Superman
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: in the comics. He should have worked. He's got the chin.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: He's got the physique. Everything about him. He's much more
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: physically Superman from the books than even Christopher Reeve was.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: But it's just.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: I so hated that Brandon Routh casting. I just did
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: not get into it. And it's funny. It took... 15
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: years later. And now I see him in other stuff
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, I like this guy. He's fun. Like
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: it's fun seeing him do stuff now, but it just
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: annoyed me so much watching them try to cram him in.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: And especially because it was sort of a continuation of
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: that same Christopher Reeve story. So I'm like, you are
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: no Christopher Reeve, sir. So it took me a while
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: for him to kind of grow on me, but.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: No, see now I did enjoy his performance and, And
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: the beginning of the film where he saves the shuttle
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: from crash landing in the baseball game.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: That's a fantastic Superman scene of him saving that plane. Yeah.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: The rest of the movie is garbage.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: I had so many problems with that. I kept holding off.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: I was like, I don't even want to start talking
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: about it because I want to do a whole episode
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: on it. Because there's so much to discuss that went
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: wrong with that movie.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, why did Lex Luthor go for another freaking
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: land grab?
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: For God's sake. I mean, that is where the money is.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: You gotta get real estate.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: He's a criminal genius. There has to be other ways
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: outside of real estate to make money in crime.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: Real estate's pretty good. I mean, come on.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: Well, we're getting close to the end of this list here,
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: but strangely enough, we had some other movies, of course,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: that were culturally... Well known. Did some good Oscar stuff here.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: One movie, a difficult choice. Even Michael Scott made, you know,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: when he's at the video store. Do I rent Devil's
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: Reprata again? Or do I rent Sophie's Choice? It's a
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: difficult decision there. I guess he never got around to
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: renting Sophie's Choice.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: I'm renting Night Shift every time. That was one that
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: I got attached to. Again, I... I think I only
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: saw it on cable. And then I watched it of
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: the 10 movies they played every damn time. Like I,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: like that's to me what I think of maybe more
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: with Henry Winkler. And like, I think Fonz comes later.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh yeah, he was Fonz. I watched Night
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: Shift so many times. And that's a weird movie for
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: a kid to get attached to. Because I was a kid.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: And it's only now when I'm like, it is all
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: about prostitution. Yeah, sure is. Why? Did nobody have a problem?
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: A white guy wants to become a pimp. And Michael
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: Keaton is hilarious. Yeah. As we knew he was going
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: to be. And then he spent the rest of his
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: career trying to get away from that, kind of. But, yeah,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: I love some night shift.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a fine film. Now, I was a
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: big fan of the toy.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: I was a weird kid growing up in the suburbs because, like,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: The suburb that we were in, I grew up in
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: New Albany, right?
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: So the suburb we're in was basically jam-packed between two
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: different projects. So like when I went to school at
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: a Catholic school, it's rich white town. But when I
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: come home, it's United Nations. You know, because it's like,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: you know, there was like maybe one or two people
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: in our subdivision that actually had some money. One of
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: them was like a Mennonite family. So like It was like,
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: you know, all the ladies are wearing, like, the long
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: skirts and the dudes are wearing long sleeves. But, like,
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: they have a boat and they have, like, 40 trucks.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, like, they had some cash.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: Obviously.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: So it stood out in the rest of the neighborhood.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: But then, yeah, it's like, I mean, I had, like,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: you know, lots of African-American friends, Latino friends and whatnot
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: in the early 80s, which was kind of a weird
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: thing for kids to experience. So I grew up on, like,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: Richard Pryor records and Red Fox records and stuff like that.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: You know, I kind of hid some of that stuff
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: from my parents, even though, like, my dad probably would
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: have thought it would have been, you know, cool. But
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: that's still, like, you know, your kid's got to hold
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: back something. So, yeah. So, I hid back Red Fox
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: and Richard Pryor records and listened to those. So, by
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: the time the toy is coming out, I'm like, hey,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: I know that guy. And then, like, oh, what's a
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: funny movie if it's, like, he was kind of clean,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: you know? He didn't say anything other than there's this
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: stuff he said on his record.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: See, that, like, his career is fascinating because he, like... Stand-up-wise,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: he's amazing. And they saw that, and they saw the
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: potential and how charismatic he is, and they were just like,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: we've got to make him a movie star. Let's cram
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: him into anywhere we can. Back to the Superman franchise.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: Let's cram him into a Superman movie. Let's make him
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: a kid-friendly toy, which, again, let's not even go down
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: the weird things going on if you think even a
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: little bit about the plot of the movie The Toy.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: Racist Jackie Gleason.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: Well, just the premise of I'm going to buy you
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: a person, let alone this black man.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: I'm going to buy him for you. Buy a black adult.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm going to purchase a black adult who
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: I don't know from Adam to.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: Entertain my minor... White Child. This was a screenplay that
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: got written, approved by a studio, made with a multi-million
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: dollar budget, and then marketed kind of for kids.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, why was this not an episode of Dateline?
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: It should be.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I think even at the time, that one
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: registered as weird. Like, I didn't know why, but I
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: was like, I didn't love that one. Like, I was like,
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: isn't that that kid from Christmas Story? And that's like,
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: as far as I got. I was just like, I
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: know that kid. And I watched it on cable and
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, it's all right. But I was like,
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: it just wasn't like they kept trying to make him
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: a movie star and they would put him in whatever
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: dumb thing that didn't really fit him usually like there's
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: a few times he finds a good role but like.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: Brewster's Millions and moving those are funny.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: See moving up like they just gave him premises after
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: a while like Brewster's Millions was a remake but like
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: he does a really good job like I do remember
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: that being pretty fun yeah but like then moving was
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: just like he's moving screenplays done yeah but condition critical
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: he's a doctor Good enough. Like, they just kept throwing
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: him into a weird scenario and like, just do your
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: Richard Pryor stuff, but don't say too many bad words.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: I'm like, well, which is it? Like, they just kept
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: trying to cram him into a thing.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: But then of all people to pair him with and
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: to find success in Gene Wilder. Yeah, Gene Wilder.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: And yet that wouldn't work. Like, those are always like
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: starting with Silver Streak. Like, those are always funny. something
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: about their dynamic i don't know what it is but
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: yeah i.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: Mean even another you which at that point it's like
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: you know gene is old they were pushing it you
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: know and richard's health was really bad at that time.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: You they were they wouldn't even tell them they were
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: rewriting the stunts and stuff for what they couldn't do
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: anymore mostly richard because he was already in pretty bad
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: shape yeah.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah gene's health was fine he was he was far
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: he was much older yeah that was the weird thing
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: about gene wilder like everybody was like you know, when
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: he passed away, what age he was. I'm like, oh yeah,
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: he was.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: look how long he's been doing this, and he wasn't
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: a kid when he started. It's like he was a
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: kid in the producers, which was in the 60s, folks.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: Let's do some math here. Think about these things. So yeah,
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: at the time, like the early ones, the Bustin' Loose,
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: I remember being kind of a cool story, and like
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: actually sort of fitting, you know, his style. But so
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: many later, like it just, they cleaned him up so
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: much that like moving and condition critical, like it was just,
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: shoving him into something and like go do your thing
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: but be mostly pg you know like you can't.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: Say the n word you can't say the f word.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: Now go he's like but that's my eyes like this
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: if you not listen to my records that's all i
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: do poor guy yeah he was brilliant but yeah they
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: just it never really clicked there's a few decent times
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: along the way but overall they just pushed so hard
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: to make it work, and a lot of them came
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: out like the toy.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, Carlin was the same way. You listen
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: to stand-up stuff, and it was just groundbreaking.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: He's brilliant. rufus is probably his best screen character.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah it really is yeah it's like you know they
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: try to stick them in sitcoms they try they didn't
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: try so much in the movies but they definitely try
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: the sitcoms.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: He would they would show up because i remember there's
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: some questionable things when he's like isn't he like the
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: gay neighbor it was it like prince of tides or
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: something there's something along there that i'm just like he's
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: playing this really weird and not at all George Carlin.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, why cast George Carlin if you're not
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: going to get George Carlin? Like, I don't know. There's just, yeah,
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: they kept trying to cram him in there too. And like,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: And being a theater kid, I got to drop this
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 3: one here. This, of course, I always laugh when I
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: see this movie and every $ 5 bargain bin, you go
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: into a Walmart, but I appreciate the shit out of
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: this movie. And I'm talking about death trap.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: I remember being pretty impressed with that at the time.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: I do remember it being a cable staple.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: I watched it a lot of times.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: I watched a lot of times because Superman was, it
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: was Superman.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, Superman just kissed a guy. Wait a minute.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: Like that was kind of one of those first times
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: of it being sort of thrown out there in a
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: generally public way like it was something that people didn't
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: talk about a lot and i remember watching that and
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: that being one of those times that i'm like okay
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: wait there's that guy on soap and then there's this
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: and like there were just not a lot of representation
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: of that that lifestyle in general so i'm like i
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: remember the ones that were coming through as a kid
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: and like that twist in death trap spoilers i guess
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: if you haven't seen death trap but yeah There is, yeah,
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: there are gay characters, and that was not a normal
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: thing for a lot of, even movies, there weren't a
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: ton of representation.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 3: Michael Caine and Christopher Reeve, there's some sort of relationship,
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: and they're also trying to murder each other.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, I want to re-watch it, because I do
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: feel like the mystery part of it, and again, the
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: plot twist element to it is being pretty well done.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: So I want to go back and revisit it for
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: those reasons. But yeah, that was... That was a weird
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: thing as a kid.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: And if you're a person of a certain age, it's
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: one of those classic New York plays. It was always
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: going for decades. They would put it in the small
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: houses and whatnot, and some famous actor would go back there.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: It was one they started early in their career and whatnot.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: But it's just one of those fun two or three
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: kind of set pieces. Not a lot going on in
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: this movie. It's all character-driven and performance-driven. But if you're
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: a theater kid, you've never seen this. It's just fun.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: And usually that's the one that everybody hates when they
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: do that. So it is like, every once in a
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: while one comes through and people are like, oh good,
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: they did this. But usually they're just like, oh, why
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: would you try to do a movie of this great
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: theater piece? It only works on the stage. So, I
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: don't know. I think I knew it was a play,
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: but I didn't have anything else going into it.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: I would say another film ironically also starring Michael Caine
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: that is a tremendous transition from stage to screen would
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: be noises off.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have seen the movie of that that I
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: feel like did not go over well.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: No, it was.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: I felt like what they were doing, which again is
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: the same gimmick as the play, I'm assuming, is pretty
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: well executed, but it just seemed like it was... I
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: don't even know. I am assuming it got a theatrical release.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: It did. But I feel like it jumped to video
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: real quick.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just a small film in the 90s.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They knew they weren't going to make a.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: Lot of money on it. It was just kind of like,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: let's just get a really good... I mean, coming to
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: get John Ritter in the movie.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's an amazing cast.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: Carol Burnett.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: And again, I feel like the gimmick of it is
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: well executed. So I remember kind of being impressed with that.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: for what they're trying to do. Again, it's certainly not
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: a movie for everyone.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but definitely if you're a theater lover, it is, yeah,
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: it's hilarious, but it's one of those just, it's a
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: rarity where you get something that's so beloved on stage
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: to get it to transition into screen and they actually
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: do it well. And it still feels like, it's strange
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: enough because though it is theatrical, it still feels like
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: a play.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. Well, definitely that one. Like, it's meant to
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: be Working both sides of the stage.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: From the audience perspective and the behind the scenes. So
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: it more than anything, I guess it's supposed to be
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: a play.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: Of course, you know, for, you know, perfect strangers, fans
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: of the age to have cousin Larry.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: In there, you know, that was one, even as a kid,
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: I didn't get, I watched it. I didn't love it,
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: which was a lot of stuff at that time. Cause
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: as a kid, I mean, cable was minimal. So I
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: still watched the three networks more than anything else. And
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: I'm like, There were so many shows that, like, man,
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: I did not like that show. I watched it for seasons,
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: but I did not like that show. There were so
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: many shows, and Perfect Strangers was one of those. I
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: was like, I am not a fan of either of
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: these two. Be back next week.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: Well, see, I remember definitely liking the show and watching
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: it a lot. Now, it's not a show I have
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: revisited since it was on.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like it wouldn't hold up and... Even
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: at the time, like sometimes I'm like impressed that my
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: gut knew that early on with things because I'll go
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: back and be like, no, I was right. This is
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: not for me. I just, yeah, I guess the most
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: useful he is, is which one is he?
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: What, Bronson Pinchot or?
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: True Romance.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: That's his, that's his finest performance for me. And about
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: the only other time I can think of.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: What about Beverly Hills Cop, man, where he's.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, the banana in the tailpipe.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: He's not the man in the tailpipe. He doesn't run
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: the art gallery. He just works the art gallery. They
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: somehow worked him into all three of the Beverly Hills
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 3: Cop movies for like five seconds. But he's in all
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: three of the movies.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: Is he Serge? Yeah, that's it. Serge.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 3: When you say it, it's like Serge. It sounds like
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: they're launching a turd.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen Beverly Hills Cop a few times.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 3: And it saddens me they're trying to squeeze out a
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 3: fourth one. It's gonna, I think it's gonna be like
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: an Amazon movie or something, but it's like, why? I mean,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: three was God awful.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And like, there's nothing wrong with wanting to do
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: more stuff with Eddie Murphy, but just, I mean, I
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: thought it was pretty desperate trying to do another coming
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: to America, but at least that had some entertainment value
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: to it. And there's, I guess, a reason to revisit
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: this character years later, but like, what are you going
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: to get out of going back to Axel Foley now?
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 3: Like as an old man, like, Yeah, you're not the...
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: That was the thing about Axel Young-Foley. He was like
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 3: the hip young cop.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not going to pull that off now.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 3: So it was like, you're going to get like... Well,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: you can't get Kevin Hart because he's almost too old.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 3: You've got to get another young black comedian that's around
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: the cusp of something to take over the franchise or something.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: I guess. I don't know how that's going to work.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: You're like.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: Like Chris Redd from Saturday Night Live or something like that, yeah. Yeah,
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: they've got a lot of good people on there. That's
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: one of those, like, it's constantly changing and they keep
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: adding new featuring people on there. And, like, half the
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: time I don't even know them by name yet. But
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I keep finding them in skits that I like.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, there's a lot of good people out there.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: It's just, who are they going to tap to take
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: over and do the next cheesy reboot?
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I know.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 3: But back to Coming to America 2, I at least
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 3: have a little bit of love for it because it's
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 3: the first time in at least like probably 15 to
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: 20 years I laughed at a movie that had Eddie
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: Murphy in it.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: See, I like the one– what was the– Dolomite. Well,
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: that wasn't a comedy though. No, but just like a
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: movie of him, like a comeback of just like, Oh no,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: he's not only back, but he can act. And we
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: knew that, but like, it's been so long since he's
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: done anything. And then on top of that, anything that
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: wasn't a PG dumb, mostly aimed at kids movie, that
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: became his staple for 15 years or more of like
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: the only thing he made were dumb kind of for
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: kids movies. I'm like, Do you know who he was? Like, why?
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: Why would you... It's the Richard Pryor thing. Why would
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: you take somebody who's so good at this and then
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: force him into this mold that doesn't fit at all?
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 3: I agree. Yeah, the Dolemite movie was very good. Which,
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 3: of course, I appreciate because, you know, if you became
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 3: an Eddie Murphy fan, you knew that that was like...
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 3: Rudy Ray Moore was very important to him. So finally,
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 3: all these decades later, you finally get to do a
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: biopic about him.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: And it is such a... an interesting and inspiring story.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: It is, it's Ed Wood told again.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: It's literally the same screenwriters and they do essentially that
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: same thing of like, what if we took this guy
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: that made these movies that nobody cared about and made
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: him a hero and like, you know, painted him in
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: this great light. And that's definitely what we get here.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that was a nice return for Eddie Murphy,
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: but yeah, absolutely. So as we're rounding it out, I
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: was going to throw out just some of the other,
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: since we're, Hitting all over in 82 now. Just some
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: of the other... I think just to sort of illustrate
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: everything that was kind of being thrown at you this year. So,
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: the best little whorehouse in Texas. Uh-huh. Let's see. Forbidden World, Parasite, Fitzcarraldo,
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: The House on Sorority Row, Airplane 2, Class of 1984.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: Ironically enough, not out in 84, in 82. Also, I
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: think it was a Bronco.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: Warriors 1980 also came out that year too.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: Speaking of, again, sex comedies ahead of their time, Zapped
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: came out this year. If there was a movie I
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: watched on cable, probably a little more than I needed to.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: Zapped.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: I do love some Scatman Crothers, though, I have to say.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: If there was a reason I went to it that
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: I can stand by, it's the Scatman Crothers.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: The Verdict. Mm-hmm. Secret of NIMH. Again, kind of one
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: of the best run of Don Bluth. Oh, sure, yeah.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: He did a lot of cheesier stuff as he went on,
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: but that one I always remember, again, just kind of
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: seeing it on cable and being like, this is pretty dark.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: As Don Bluth's stuff can go sometimes, but even for
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: his stuff, it was just, tonally visually just a creepy
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: dark kind of movie.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 3: Well as a children's book Mrs. Frisbee and the Rats
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 3: of NIMH is a dark.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: Book so the fact that it got greenlit is interesting
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: in and of itself Amityville 2 The Possession World According
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: to Garp again we're starting to get knee deep into
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: Robin Williams being taken semi-seriously as much as he's ever
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: going to be taken seriously The Entity, The Wall, Paradise, Firefox,
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: Basket Case.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 3: Hey, folks, who wants to see Dirty Harry in an
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 3: experimental plane?
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: He's getting old. He can't have him running around. What
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: if he just sits still in a cockpit for a
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: long time? Are you guys cool with that? What's funny
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: is he's getting old in 82. He's still cranking out
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: movies now. He just put out another one as the lead.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: It amazes me how long he's been an old man.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: Let's see. Pieces, Alone in the Dark, Sophie's Choice, Cat People.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: I think there is.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: We can't forget one more tentpole, Slumber Party Massacre.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. See, I said there was a lot of horror
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: this year, surprisingly. Oh, the third Friday the 13th was
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: this year, too.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: Which, again, kind of really finding their legs on that franchise.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: That's when he becomes Jason, as we know him and
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: would continue to know him.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 3: With the hockey mask.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 2: With the hockey. To me, it was all still figuring
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: it out, those first two movies. It's three that they went, okay,
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: we've got our whole little rotation now. We know how
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: the plot's going to go. We know we've got to
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: have a mask, find a machete, get this thing going.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: Let's start killing some kids. Yeah.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 3: And speaking of horror movies, we were talking about Romero
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 3: earlier in the show here. One we forgot to mention.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: Creepshow. Yeah.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: So that's... A beloved film, but quite a tumultuous history
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: in that one.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And one that's still, like, I feel like beloved later. Like,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: I don't remember it being a big hit this year. No, yeah.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: And then even in, like, the years after, people were like, oh, yeah,
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: I've seen that. But, like, it was only, like, recent, like,
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: revisionary sort of.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: You know, if we go back and look at this,
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: I think it's the horror fans of the modern era
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: that look back now and find how interesting it was
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: for this time period. But in 82, I feel like
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: it just kind of went under the radar.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 3: Basically, it was this movie and Monkey Shines that killed
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 3: any studio work that George Romero.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: Did for his entire career. I mean, Romero never really...
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: That's why it was kind of nice by the time
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: he got to be towards the end of his life
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: when he was as celebrated by the fans as he was. Because... Studio-wise,
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: he was never really celebrated. He never had big hits.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: He never was given giant properties. He was always a name,
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: but only to horror geeks. He went, like I said,
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: so far into his career thinking, eh, who's going to
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: show up and even see me? The fact that finally
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: at the end, those last 10 years or so, he
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: just sort of was coasting on the top of the
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: wave there with just fans loving him and appreciating everything
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: he'd done. Of course, he was still trying to do
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: his zombie flicks and trying to do And even those
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: not always were well received by his own fans.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: His last one, Survival of the Dead, the one that
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 3: takes place on the island where the old guys are
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 3: fighting each other, I'll give him credit for that one.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: I like Land where most people don't. Land was decent.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: Land is pretty cool. I think there's a lot of
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: good concepts in Land.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 3: He had a lot to say. That's the thing is
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 3: what works for his Dead movies is when he has
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 3: something to say.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: And Land definitely has several things going on.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: That's why I hated Diary of the Dead because Diary
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 3: had nothing to say.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: It was just cashing in on a popular thing.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: Unfound footage. Yeah. But Survival of the Dead went back
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 3: to I got something to say. Yeah. And, yeah, unfortunately,
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 3: that was his last of the Dead series there.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: And, of course, the most fun movie of 1982, Gandhi.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Get that guy a sandwich.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: But I won't eat it.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 3: I can't eat it. It's a strange thing. Now, Gandhi
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 3: follows a trend that we know today. Whereas a film
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 3: that is celebrated by the critics. Everybody's grandmother loves this movie.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 3: Your art teacher loves this movie. It got 40,000 Oscars.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 3: Ben Kingsley's career is still Gandhi. He's been in Marvel
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: movies for God's sake and he's still Gandhi.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: He's the Mandarin to me.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: But did this movie make any money?
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: Not comparatively. Nor does any... normal, I'm using quotes once again,
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: I talk about the normal people on the show a lot.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: And I'm just like, of anybody I knew, you know,
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: I'm the dumb kid watching stuff on cable. But of
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: the grownups I knew, did any of them go and
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: see it? God, no, not in the theater. Did any
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: of them even watch it on cable? No, like it
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: was only like, super you know educated movie geeks at
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: the time and like Oscar kind of people but like
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: it did not cross over I feel like to any
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: regular whereas some stuff just gets really big and you
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: get something that's very Oscar caliber, but it has crossover
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: appeal and it ends up being, you know, pretty well
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: received by normal people. But Gandhi is one that was so,
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: it was just so fancy in what story it was
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: trying to tell.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: And that in this way that it was treated, I
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: think by the industry that like regular people were just like, no,
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: thank you. I'm going to be over here watching. No,
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: thank you. So.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: And see, and Gandhi will always have a second life
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 3: with me because I am a, hardcore devotee of Mr. Yankovic.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: And so I am a regular yearly watcher of UHF.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 3: And so there's, of course, a Gandhi 2 sketch in UHF.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: It is quite entertaining, as all of those little sketches
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: in between are.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Coney and the Librarian always hits really good with
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 3: me too, yeah.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: Don't you know the Dewey Decimal System? Spatula City, Spatula City.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: That's my go-to. I'm like, I would go there.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 3: There is a record label called Spatula City Records, and
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 3: they don't do any Weird Al stuff. But they have
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 3: the name Spatula City.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, when you got a name like Spatula City,
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: you can't waste it. And they don't spell Spatula. So,
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: I guess to bring it full circle, I... Was a
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: fan of E.T. And I definitely saw it in the
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: theater at least once. I didn't go back many times
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: to movies. Once was about all we got normally going
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: to the theater. So I definitely saw it in the theater.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: I was sucked into it enough that I bought my,
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: there they go, Reese's Pieces. I was into those at
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: the time, specifically because of E.T. I did have Again,
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: being the dork that buys things, I had the weird
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: little plastic E.T. that you could pop his head up
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: and down.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: And he came with a speaking spell. I thought that
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: was awesome. I had some PVC wins of him holding
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: a flower and all that stuff. Did you play the
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: Atari game? I didn't have Atari. So I was, again,
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: I was super cool. That's why I had a VIC-20.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: Only the cool kids had Commodore. Okay. Obviously. Okay. We're
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: a very small group.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 3: I was in a fortunate minority where My parents bought
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 3: me an Intellivision, like the Sears Intellivision.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: They had some cool stuff at the time. I got
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: that for.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 3: Christmas one year. But my aunt, who lived about a
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 3: block away, she and her husband bought an Atari just
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 3: when they were coming out, and Ataris were a popular thing.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 3: They played it like three times, and then basically sat
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 3: around and collected dust. And so when I came along
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 3: old enough to appreciate video games, I now had literally
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 3: the best of both worlds.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 3: So, yes, they did purchase E.T.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: For me. Sucker.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 3: Well, I didn't buy it, so they're the suckers.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: You played.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 3: I did play it. I wasted time on that that
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 3: I will never get back.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: I played a lot of the Raiders of the Lost
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: Ark one. And that's equally as odd a game, once again,
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: to use quotes here. It's... I mean, there's a point
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: where you just wait around. I feel like it was
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: the same person who came up with the story in
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: that one as they did for E.T. Just walk around
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: for a while. But the E.T.
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 3: Game was just an exercise in just true frustration. Because, okay,
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 3: the story of this game is just fascinating. It's like, okay,
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 3: we've got this hit movie and we're going to do
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 3: a video game adaptation. But the movie's not ready yet
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 3: and we're kind of keeping it a little hush-hush. So
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 3: we're not going to tell you the plot so much
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 3: of the movie. We'll show you what the alien looks
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 3: like and kind of give you some basis of it.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 3: And then we want you to make a game that's
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 3: got to be out by Christmas.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like a lot of dumb merchandising
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: stuff comes together like that. But this is a huge version.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: to throw at somebody.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 3: Oh, and by the way, it's May. And this game
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 3: has to be in stores by December. Go.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: And we have to have time to produce everything, too.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 3: So get to work. So what you get is basically
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 3: a turd with a long neck running around the screen.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 2: And every three.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 3: Steps falls into a hole. Why does E.T. fall into
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 3: a hole?
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know. E.T.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 3: Falls into a hole.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 2: It's not good to fall into a hole.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 3: It isn't. Now, the fortunate thing is that E.T. does
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 3: have the ability to levitate, and so he will levitate
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 3: out of said hole with, you know, a simple button,
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 3: you know, command. But then, like, two steps later, he
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 3: falls into another hole. Well, then, when you get into
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 3: that second hole, you no longer have the ability to
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 3: fly because you used it all to get out of
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 3: the first hole. So then now you're stuck in second hole,
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 3: can't get out, and so you just reset the game
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 3: and try again. This goes on continually. You were supposed
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 3: to collect all the pieces of your machine to phone
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 3: home and go home, but I don't know if anyone
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 3: ever got that far.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 2: No, or had patience to. I did have a good
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: amount of exposure to Atari, but we didn't have one.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: We went the Commodore route because we wanted to be
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: able to compute. Sure. I mean, I learned some basics.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: It's about as high-tech in my computer as I ever got.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 2: So you are a true basic bitch then. I love that.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 2: That's also why I enjoy my pumpkin lattes every Halloween.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 2: That's right. But I did have my cousin, who I
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: saw all the time, had an Atari and had a
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: good amount of games. So that's how I ended up
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: playing Superman, back to Superman. Right. Another stellar title in
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: the Atari franchise.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: So, but yeah, if we're just going with the E.T. thing,
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: I was and that's why I was trying to decide.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 2: I was like, I still can stand by it. I
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 2: have I think the last copy of it I bought
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: was when they redid it. And I have the version
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: that has the walkie talkies. So I'm kind of glad
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: I have that because that's a weird time in the world.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 3: That is.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: Not that long ago, but long enough that they've already
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: come back around and redone it again.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 3: It's a rarity, too, because you've had directors, Coppola, Lucas,
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 3: Ridley Scott, gone in and redone their films, giving you
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 3: different cuts and whatever else. But it's a rarity where
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 3: a director releases a cut, changes something so fundamental.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: Some minor thing.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 3: What we're talking about is that basically towards the end
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 3: of the movie when AT is being chased around by
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 3: all the government agents and whatnot, they're running around with guns, right?
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 3: So then when the movie was released in 82, that
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 3: was fine.
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 2: Right. By 90%. Nine, or I don't know, what year
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: was that? It was somewhere towards the end of the 90s.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 3: It was somewhere towards the end of the 90s, yeah,
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 3: and somebody had a problem with it, and so Spielberg decided,
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 3: I'm going to change all the guns to walkie-talkies. So,
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, which is, I guess I can kind of
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 3: see the sense it made, because no one actually fires
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 3: a shot, if you think about it, like, But.
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: Even at the time, I was like, these are terrible
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: federal agents because they don't have a gun. They're running
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: around with walkie-talkies and there's, as far as they know,
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 2: some hostile creature from another planet here to kill us all.
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 2: They don't have a gun at least. No one's armed. Yeah.
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 2: I was like, what kind of government agents are you?
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And that was really about the only thing that
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 3: was changed for the film.
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 3: And it was just given such... derision by the fans
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 3: that spielberg actually went back and changed it back.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah when they re-released it on blu-ray they went back
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: to the original layout so yeah i thought that was
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: kind of interesting i don't really agree with it but
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 2: i you.
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 3: Know what i'm perfectly fine with it i would uh
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 3: like uh maybe lucas to kind of look at that
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 3: well i was.
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: Gonna say it's minor compared to the crazy bullshit that
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 2: lucas has pulled.
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 3: So yeah or coppola taking apocalypse now which is a
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 3: You know, a classic film, yes, but it is a
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 3: long film that has some pacing issues that he makes
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 3: it longer with even more pacing issues.
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 2: Well, he's recently redone Godfather 3, so.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 3: And the weird thing.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 2: Is, supposedly he fixed pacing issues in that. I don't know.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 3: I'm very curious to see.
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: But with Spielberg, that's why I was trying to, I
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 2: was like, I stand by it. I do think it's
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 2: a solid movie. I was also trying to decide, is
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: it just these dominoes are falling into place? Because, I mean,
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: we're coming off of Jaws 3. And Close Encounters. We'll
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: skip 41. Because everyone did. But, I mean, the year
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 2: before is also Raiders of the Lost Ark. So it's
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 2: like he's just the biggest name in the industry at
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 2: that point. Yeah, monster. And you put together this, like,
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: super likable... Like, again, it's not the thing. It's meant
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: to be family friendly. And it works on that level.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 2: So much so that, like, he... I don't know if
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 2: this is still the case, but for a while, I
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 2: remember them questioning him and they were like, you know,
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 2: you've made all these amazing movies in your career. What's
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 2: the one? What's, if you can only have one legacy,
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 2: what's your movie? And he picked E.T.
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: Not Schindler's List. He picked E.T. And I'm like, that
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 2: shows you the power of like this, this message that
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 2: he's still trying to put out there and this like,
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 2: how much, you know, good nature he had with this,
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 2: this character in this movie. And like, there's still a
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 2: lot of like reality to the family situation and other stuff.
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: It's not a bad cheesy, you know, it's not Mac
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 2: and me. It is a solid movie. Like, so I am,
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: I can still stand by it and I see why
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 2: it made the money that it did that year.
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 3: And it still works, but there's times where there's some
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 3: nostalgia factor in the movie.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's maybe a little too nostalgic for a lot
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 2: of people.
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you see some stuff in there. It's like, okay.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 3: But for the most part, though, there's a lot of
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 3: it that still holds up.
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 3: You know, there's nothing that seems too terribly dated in
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 3: the film or anything like that. But I could see
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 3: that being, you know, such a meaningful film form because,
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a personal film form, period. Because I
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 3: think what he said, the character is based off an
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 3: imaginary friend he had to deal with the death of
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 3: his grandparents or something like that, or grandfather.
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 2: And still, that was his early dealing with missing parent
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 2: issues and is so heavily the mom and dad, dad
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 2: missing from the scenario, mom dealing with raising kids on
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: her own. That's so heavy in his story that comes
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 2: through in these movies, especially at that era. It's funny
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 2: that it's gone away now because he grew up to
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 2: be a dad that's there all the time. So like
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 2: he doesn't deal with that anymore in his movies because
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 2: he corrected it. Like he fixed the problem in his
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 2: own life and now he doesn't do that anymore. So. Yeah,
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: this was definitely still right in the middle of that era, too.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 3: I know I saw this film more than once in
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 3: the theater, which was a rarity for me.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't do much.
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, most of the time when we saw movies,
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 3: it was the drive-in.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: I saw a decent amount. When I think back of
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 2: how many as a kid I still remember seeing in
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 2: the theater, so I'm glad that they at least took
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 2: me on occasion. But, yeah, it's rare that I went
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 2: back short of Star Wars.
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 3: Well, growing up in southern Indiana, up until about maybe
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 3: like the mid to late eighties when like, yeah, the
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 3: green tree four popped up. Our only theaters were here
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 3: in Louisville. Yeah. So, and that was showcase.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 2: That's where I was every week.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 3: And I mean, of course, you know, the old showcase,
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 3: I still miss that place. Cause house one was just
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 3: a monster building.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 2: And then when they made four and five, they were
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 2: equally as big. And like, they were the biggest, like
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 2: in the state at the time. And like for years,
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 2: I think we're still the biggest.
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 3: The old Vogue was pretty close, but it only just
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 3: had one theater, whereas the other, but yeah, those were
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 3: big rooms.
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: For someone that misses it as much as I do,
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 2: I found somebody recently posted a bunch, they went through,
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 2: I guess, towards the end of the run and did
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 2: like a photo shoot. Oh, nice. It was like a walkthrough.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 2: I remember that whole opening. The beginning area there was
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 2: all those windows. It had the balcony that ran around
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 2: the top of the lobby. Nobody would build anything like
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 2: that now. It had all the offices and artwork on
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: the walls.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 3: I worked there at one point. I was a manager
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 3: there for about a few months. I worked with the
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 3: company for a while. I moved to that theater just
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 3: for a different opportunity. The manager and I did not
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 3: get along.
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 2: They didn't want me. I wanted to sweep up popcorn.
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 2: They didn't even want me for that. Wow. But, no,
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: I just remember, like, I love that, especially the front. Like, later,
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 2: those ones they kept building were smaller and all kind
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 2: of jammed in that back area. Yeah. But those front, like,
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 2: five theaters. I know. Before they split up the second one. Like,
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: the one, four, and five were, like, amazing. And so
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 2: just have, like, a walkthrough in photo form was, like,
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 2: so cool to just be able to, like, go back
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 2: in time. And remember being in that lobby and remember
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: being in that theater. And like those are, yeah. So I,
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 2: I need to like send those over to you because
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 2: they were so amazing. Those were cool. Yeah. I mean, yeah.
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, that was the thing is just walking
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 3: through that place was just so massive too.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's, that's definitely where I saw E.T. Cause that's
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 2: pretty much where I saw everything at that point.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 2: A little later I would end up going to like
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 2: the dollar theaters and stuff when I could get a
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 2: car and drive. But like when I was younger, uh,
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 2: It was all showcase.
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 3: That's where I saw them.
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 2: Did the Galleria have a movie theater?
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 3: No, that was... Oxmoor.
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 2: Oxmoor. Oxmoor had one. Oxmoor. Upstairs, and then later they
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 2: added more, but they didn't put them together. There was
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 2: ones downstairs and upstairs, and you had to figure out
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 2: where you were and go to the other side of
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: the mall. Not the best layout plan, by the way,
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 2: but that's what they did at the time. So, yeah. Yeah.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: So that's where I saw E.T. And that changed my 1982.
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 2: And then shortly thereafter, I would be sitting at home
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 2: watching the thing and that would change the rest of
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 2: my life. I, I was weird because, um, seeing that movie,
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 2: I was like, okay, well, yeah, it was, it, As
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: a kid, I guess, I don't know, I guess I
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 2: was a nonconformist even then because I'm like, okay, everybody
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 2: likes this movie, why? Contrarian.
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so it really got to be until I
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 3: got to be an adult where I can watch that
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 3: movie now and I'm weeping by the end of it.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm like, you gotta help me, go miss
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 2: this man.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just, yeah, I'm, you know, now,
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 3: but as a kid, I'm like, screw this.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 2: I got suckered in. I remember being Being a pretty
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 2: big fan of E.T. But again, not like... I don't know.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: It didn't take over. I don't have weird nostalgia for
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 2: it that I feel like a lot of people do.
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 2: I think I just... It was a movie of the
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 2: time and I saw it and I liked the creepy,
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 2: weird E.T. character. Yeah. I like the... I don't know.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: It did have some underlying messages going on there. I
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: do think it's a pretty well put together film in general. Yeah,
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 2: it really is. But it is interesting how much it
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 2: took over the world that summer and.
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 3: It is. I mean, that's the thing is, you know,
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 3: we talked about the top of the show. There's people
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 3: who look back on the summer of 82 and they're like, man,
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 3: all these great movies come out. It's like, yeah, and
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 3: nobody fucking saw them because there's too busy seeing E.T.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 3: You know, it's like that's kind of why I was
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 3: such a contrarian about it because I was a fan
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 3: of a lot of those other movies.
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was too. Again, I just didn't pick either or.
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 2: A lot of people still to this day like this
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 2: other thing. I just want to hit everything eventually. Granted,
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 2: there's some I put way on the back of the list,
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 2: but there's so much I still want to see now
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 2: that I think even as a kid, I was like,
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 2: and I think that's part of why I didn't keep
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 2: going back to see the same movie sometimes. It's like, well,
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 2: I only get to see so many in the theater,
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 2: so how about I go see this other one that
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen yet? So I still kind of try
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 2: to do that. And I don't know, as many movies
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 2: as I own, sometimes I will not do a rewatch
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 2: because there's something that just came out streaming and I'm like, yeah,
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 2: but I want to see that too. Sure, yeah. I'm
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: still trying to hit as many as I can in life.
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 3: Out of curiosity, do you remember which movie you've seen
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 3: the most in theaters?
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 2: Again, not that. I mean, more than two is rare
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 2: for me. I remember going back to see Star Wars
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 2: as a kid. As a cheat, there's definitely one that's
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 2: way ahead. Cause I used to hang out at the
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 2: Vogue and see Rocky. So I've seen Rocky horror probably
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 2: way more times than anything else in the theater, but
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 2: that was its own experience. That was, you were there
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 2: for the show as much as the movie. Sure.
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I dig that.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. That's I'm sure would have to be by far,
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 2: but other than that, yeah, it's usually just one or
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 2: two times theater wise.
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 3: Uh, for me, uh, I worked, I've worked at basically four,
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 3: three movie theaters, three movie theaters in this area. Uh, Uh,
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 3: so yeah, I saw a lot of stuff for free
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 3: and whatnot, but one movie that hit me hardest, I
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 3: think of all was Pulp Fiction. Oh yeah.
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 2: And I do remember seeing that a couple of times again,
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 2: probably not, maybe, I don't know if I saw, I
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 2: knew I had friends at the time that had seen
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: it like four and five times in the theater back. And,
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 2: but again, I remember going like with people a different time.
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 2: Like I think I went and saw it and then like,
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 2: There was a group going to see it again. So
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 2: I do remember re-watching that in the theater and then
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 2: immediately buying it. So I've owned it again on a
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 2: couple of formats since then.
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 3: Between not working in a movie theater and working in
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 3: a movie theater, so I paid for some and for
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 3: free got some, you know, got some for free. And,
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 3: of course, it got re-released when it got Oscar nominations
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 3: and stuff like that. So it was out in theaters
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 3: a couple times.
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 2: But in its theatrical run, I saw it 16 times. Wow.
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 3: And that is by far the movie I've seen.
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 2: That's actually sitting down and watching it. Oh, yeah. Not
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 2: like working. Because that's the thing. I don't know. I
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 2: can't count like when I worked at a store where
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 2: we played movies all day long. Because I wasn't really
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 2: watching them. But I'm like, how many times have they
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 2: been going on in the background? There's tons of movies.
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 3: I can say that about Willy Wonka. I worked at
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 3: Real Collections and River Falls Mall.
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 2: We had that thing on repeat.
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many that we used to play
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 2: just nonstop over and over. And I'm like, I can't
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 2: count those because I'm supposed to be working and doing
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 2: my dumb job.
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 3: I sat in the theater, whether I paid for the
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 3: ticket or was an employee comp, I sat in the
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 3: theater 16 times to see Pulp Fiction. Not all the
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 3: time was I with people. Sometimes I was by myself.
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, I get it. That is one that people
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 2: want to write it off now as being like, he's
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 2: not that great in general or that's not as good
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 2: a movie in his run. And I'm like, except when
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 2: I go back to watch it. And I'm like, I
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 2: am sucked into that movie every time. Like it is
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 2: still just such solid writing and so interesting in what
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 2: it's doing. And then these performances are also good that
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you can try to write it off, but
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 2: I can't not.
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 3: Want to watch it.
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 2: It's so rewatchable.
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 3: It's a movie that's out of order. You know, like
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 3: it doesn't happen in chronological order.
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 3: But, all of it makes sense. You know, there's no
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 3: big holes really in anything except for they didn't really
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 3: explain what's in the case. It's left over to interpretation.
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 2: We all know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 3: It's John's Oscar he got. But, you know, but yeah,
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 3: you're right. It's, for me at the time, I was,
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 3: you know, fancying myself as a writer and, you know,
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 3: getting into college at that time and whatnot. And so,
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 3: that just hit me as in a level of creativity
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 3: that was just like just, It blew my head.
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people. That was one. Which
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 2: again is one of the things we've thrown out there
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 2: as an option to do their own episode on. So
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 2: I guess that's how we should round it out. I
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 2: like this theme. I like this concept. So should we
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 2: go down these roads in the future? Should we do
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 2: I was thinking, I mean, as monumental as 82 is,
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 2: I was wondering if we picked another year around this time,
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 2: would it seem equally as amazing that like, whoa, in 1984,
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 2: all these movies came out. In 1981, all these monumental...
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, it would almost be worth revisiting certain
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 2: years and just kind of... So if you've got specific years,
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 2: we should revisit. That would be interesting. We've definitely thrown
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 2: out doing directors and just sort of an overall... here's
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 2: all the crazy stuff they've done and their impact on cinema.
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 2: So Tarantino's definitely one of those.
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, see, 94 would be a great tumultuous year for
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 3: me because as much as I'm loving Pulp Fiction, the
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 3: rest of the world is loving Forrest Gump. Forrest Gump
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  Speaker 3: gets all the love of the Oscars. And that year,
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, God bless Tom Hanks now. I love the
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 3: man to death. He's an American treasure. But in 1994,
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 3: I was saying F a bunch of Tom Hanks. Quentin
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 3: Tarantino is where it's at, and all you squares don't
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  Speaker 3: know what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, you've never seen Bachelor Party.
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  Speaker 3: No, obviously, you've never seen Mazes and Monsters, which also
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 3: came out in 1982.
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  Speaker 2: I have seen that. Somewhat recently, it was on, and
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  Speaker 2: I was just, whew.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 2: It's a rough movie.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 2: It is like, The budget limitations for this made-for-TV damning
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 2: of Dungeons & Dragons.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it is an allegory that has all the
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 3: subtlety of a nuclear missile. And it's just... It is...
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  Speaker 3: I mean... One of my favorite Halloween movies is the
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 3: Trick or Treat. Not Trick or Treat, the anthology movie.
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  Speaker 3: I'm talking about the 1980s.
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  Speaker 2: The Mark Price classic.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I'm talking about. When you play the backwards
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 3: metal records, kids, demons are going to come get you
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 3: and Satan's going to take you down and there you go.
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  Speaker 2: We did an episode at Halloween many years ago. It
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 2: is one that actually holds up better than i expected
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: like i do i barely remembered it at the time
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: i kind of watched it on cable but revisiting i
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 2: was like it's got more of a plot to.
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 3: It than i expected actually it is ham-fisted as all
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 3: get out though and it's still like you know oh
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 3: he's you know the the the kid that no one
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 3: understands but his rock gods and you know yeah it's
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 3: all that kind of you know satanic panic bullshit of
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 3: the 80s.
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  Speaker 2: But it's sort of sided with it, you know? It's
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 2: like it was with the kid versus Maces and Monsters
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  Speaker 2: is like, you kids are all stupid and the devil
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  Speaker 2: is going to come get you.
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 3: That is true, yes.
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 2: Like, at least we were on his side.
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're on Skippy's side and, you know, he makes
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 3: good in the end there. But I was a fan
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 3: of the soundtrack as well because I'm a metal kid anyway. So,
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 3: you know, I knew who Fastway was at the time.
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 3: They had a couple of minor hits. And so I
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 3: knew who they were at the time, so I was like, oh, cool.
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 3: And then hearing some of the songs, like, frankly, I mean,
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 3: the movie is kind of hit and miss, but the
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 3: soundtrack is really where it's at, you know, by Fastway, which,
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 3: you know, love those guys.
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 2: It's all for the cameos.
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, talk about stunt casting. Put in your... your
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 2: your preacher as Ozzy Osbourne that's right at the height
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 2: of when everyone was anti-Ozzy Osbourne for religious and yeah
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 2: he's the devil and reasons like that's that's pretty damn
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 2: entertaining yeah even at the time I was like all
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 2: right that's clever like but then.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 3: You also had you know threw in the other not
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 3: quite as much of a stunt cast but Gene simmons
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 3: as the uh The cool DJ.
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 2: I can see Gene Simmons being a DJ if things
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 2: didn't go the way they did. So that one's not
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 2: as far off, but still working it in.
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  Speaker 3: If you gotta think about it, though, he's probably the
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 3: real villain of the whole movie. Because he's the one.
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  Speaker 2: That gives the record. Who gives that dorky kid the
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 2: master copy of the only.
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 3: And what DJ has a master acetate pressing?
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 1: Nobody.
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 2: And why would you give it to a dumb high
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 2: school kid?
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, in this podunk little town.
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 2: This was a million dollar thing and you're going to hand.
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 3: It to some dumb high school kid. The premise is
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 3: like the world's most popular metal star dies horribly in
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 3: a hotel fire, right? And it was always kind of
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 3: like he was like worshiping the devil. It was all
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 3: that kind of rumors and shit like that. And then
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 3: so his last recording is given to this DJ in
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 3: a podunk radio station with no copies made. And he
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 3: gives this asshole kid.
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 2: All of this seems ridiculous.
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 3: Who then takes it home and ruins it by playing
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 3: it backwards with a shitty needle.
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 2: You're all fired. Everybody in this record company. That was
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 2: not a diamond chip needle. Everybody, you're all fired.
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 3: I love this movie, you can tell. So.
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 2: We definitely can come back and do specific years, specific directors,
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 2: or even themes. I know we've done a music episode
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 2: on metal themed, but we could even go through and
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 2: just pick the, look at the weird storylines and weird
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 2: tie-ins for that kind of stuff. So I guess let
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 2: us know what sort of, I like having more of
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 2: a general topic to throw at us. So yeah, let
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: us know what you think we should yammer on about next. Yes.
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 2: I'm sure we will have more than enough to say
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: about it. Oh, I think so. Otherwise, I think we've
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 2: grazed in 1982 as much as we're going to this time. Awesome.
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us and coming back into this,
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 2: and we'll see if we can get some new episodes together.
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 3: Well, it was my distinct pleasure. I enjoy hanging out
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 3: and talking about all this stuff here. This is good stuff.
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 2: I'm all for it. So let's do some more. Until then. Otherwise,
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 2: that about does it. We will return next time, same
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  Speaker 2: geek feed. Thanks for listening. TTFN. Bye. I'm so fucked up,
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 2: it's true, it's true I'm so fucked up, it's true,
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 2: it's true I'm so fucked up, it's true, it's true
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 2: I'm so fucked up, it's true.
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 4: It's true.
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: .
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 3: Come on, the Battle of Helm's Deep.
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 2: See, I knew that was going to piss people off.
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 3: Does not even compare to the morons in the street
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 3: that get slaughtered.
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