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"Bannon Assumes the Deposition." · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: There you go. All right, let's get to the news.
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  Speaker 1: President Biden is off to the Middle East after holding
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  Speaker 1: a White House event on Monday to tout the first
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  Speaker 1: gun violence legislation in 30 years, and an event on Friday...
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  Speaker 1: where he issued an executive order to help ensure access
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  Speaker 1: to abortion medication and emergency contraception. The president also said
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  Speaker 1: he's directed his legal and health advisors to determine whether
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  Speaker 1: he can declare an abortion-related public health emergency, which could
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  Speaker 1: free up more federal resources to protect abortion access. But
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  Speaker 1: he also reiterated that the only way to codify the
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  Speaker 1: protections of Roe as a national law is by electing
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  Speaker 1: a pro-choice Democratic House and two more pro-choice anti-filibuster Democratic
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  Speaker 1: senators in November. Biden also got angry during the speech
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  Speaker 1: as he described the story of a 10-year-old girl in
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  Speaker 1: Ohio who couldn't get an abortion in that state after
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  Speaker 1: she had been raped. 10 years old, raped, six weeks pregnant,
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  Speaker 1: already traumatized, was forced to travel to another state.
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  Speaker 5: Imagine being that little girl. Just, I'm serious, just imagine
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  Speaker 5: being that little girl.
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  Speaker 1: 10 years old. Guys, what did you think of Friday's
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  Speaker 1: White House event, both the executive orders and the speech itself?
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  Speaker 3: So I thought he did a good job talking about
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  Speaker 3: how extreme the Dobbs ruling was and the horrifying human
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  Speaker 3: consequences as the clip, I think, showed. I think he
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  Speaker 3: did a good job telling a bigger story about the
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  Speaker 3: implications of getting rid of the right to privacy generally.
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  Speaker 3: That's an important story. That's a bigger piece of this.
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  Speaker 3: He tried to use the court's words against them where
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  Speaker 3: they sort of cynically told women like, oh, this isn't
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  Speaker 3: getting rid of abortion. This is just throwing it back
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  Speaker 3: to the states. And he said, you know, we all
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  Speaker 3: need to vote. And I thought the substance of the
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  Speaker 3: EO itself was good. I thought The beginning of the
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  Speaker 3: remarks were a little bit confusing. He was almost debating
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  Speaker 3: the court's legal analysis and going back to 1860. It
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  Speaker 3: was the least visually compelling option that exists to you
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  Speaker 3: in the White House. I'm doing parts I liked and
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  Speaker 3: parts I didn't like. Parts I didn't like. I think
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  Speaker 3: Biden speaking in front of the VP and the secretary,
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  Speaker 3: HHS secretary in some books is not super visually compelling.
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  Speaker 3: It's not the most likely way to get on TV
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  Speaker 3: and get picked up. I think ideally you get them
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  Speaker 3: out into states, you have them talking with people impacted
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  Speaker 3: by the ruling as part of your messaging strategy. But,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's challenging to get the president out of
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  Speaker 3: the White House sometimes, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's the best things he's done since
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  Speaker 2: the ruling came down. And I wish it hadn't taken
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  Speaker 2: two weeks to get to a statement as forceful and,
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  Speaker 2: you know, combined with an action that seems like it
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  Speaker 2: had been in the works for a while. But I
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  Speaker 2: think it was strong. I think he was clearly emotional
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  Speaker 2: and kind of giving people the, I think, some of
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  Speaker 2: the intensity that they were looking for over the previous
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  Speaker 2: couple of weeks. There was an aside inside of the
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  Speaker 2: speech that I think caught some of the problem I
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  Speaker 2: think activists and other politicians have had with the way
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  Speaker 2: the White House has responded, which is he said, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you have to vote, you have to vote. In the meantime,
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing this executive order. And there's something about the
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  Speaker 2: framing of it is like in the meantime, kind of
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  Speaker 2: diminishing the role the president can play. And I'm not
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  Speaker 2: disagreeing with a lot of the analysis that says that
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  Speaker 2: in many ways the White House is playing like a
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  Speaker 2: really shitty hand in the wake of this ruling, but
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  Speaker 2: it kind of captures the problem, which is regardless of
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  Speaker 2: how weak some of these levers are, there's a sense
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  Speaker 2: that they've been observers over the past couple of weeks
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  Speaker 2: and not proactive enough, not just trying things, not not
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  Speaker 2: pushing the boundaries of what the president can do.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You want the cadence to be, I'm going to do this,
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing this, I'm doing this. And then in November,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to make sure we do this. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's that kind of, now again, back to Tommy's point,
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  Speaker 1: that's harder to do at the setting of the white house.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously you can't just travel to anywhere just on
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  Speaker 1: a dime sometimes, but, um, you can at least, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Go to Michigan where people were collecting signatures to try
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  Speaker 3: to get a ballot initiative.
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  Speaker 1: But, um, but it was good to finally see him
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  Speaker 1: angry about the consequences of the decision While he was
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  Speaker 1: telling that story of the 10-year-old girl, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: think more of that is necessary, hopefully, outside the White House.
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  Speaker 1: We should also add that the Biden administration today announced
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  Speaker 1: that hospitals must provide abortion services if the life of
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  Speaker 1: the mother is at risk. And they're arguing that the...
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  Speaker 1: that federal law on emergency treatment supersedes any state abortion restriction.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm sure that will get challenged, but that's what
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  Speaker 1: HHS came out with today.
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  Speaker 3: Very important.
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  Speaker 1: So the New York Times said that Biden's order, quote,
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  Speaker 1: stops far short of demands from abortion rights advocates. What
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  Speaker 1: else could Biden do on his own without Congress to
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  Speaker 1: protect abortion access at this point?
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  Speaker 2: So one step that a lot of groups have been
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  Speaker 2: calling for and some in Congress have been calling for
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  Speaker 2: is declaring a public health emergency. There's been some calls
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  Speaker 2: for providing abortion access on federal lands, but you see
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  Speaker 2: a lot of disagreements even among activists about how, about
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  Speaker 2: if that could work or not, and it might put
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  Speaker 2: people at more danger. There really does seem to be
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  Speaker 2: a disagreement about that.
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  Speaker 1: I went deep on this and started reading all the,
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  Speaker 1: because a bunch of legal experts are publishing op-eds about this.
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  Speaker 1: It looks like, so if the federal government owns federal
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  Speaker 1: land in a state where abortion is restricted, the federal
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  Speaker 1: government could set up an abortion clinic, right? And Ideally,
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  Speaker 1: the abortion providers and the patients could not be prosecuted
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  Speaker 1: while they were on that federal land. The second they
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  Speaker 1: step off that federal land back into the red state,
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  Speaker 1: there could be people just waiting for them to arrest
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  Speaker 1: them and prosecute them. Now, they could possibly win that
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  Speaker 1: legal battle. But I think from the administration standpoint, they're
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  Speaker 1: thinking the risk is not to the federal government in
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  Speaker 1: doing that. The risk is to the provider, the doctor,
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  Speaker 1: the patient. So I think you can argue it both ways.
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  Speaker 1: You can say, well, we'll try and someone will have
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  Speaker 1: a test case and let's see what happens. with this court.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, you don't have high hopes for that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the question is, are there jurisdictions where you
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  Speaker 3: have a local prosecutor who said, I will not prosecute
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  Speaker 3: these cases? And then you could figure out a way
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  Speaker 3: around it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, now you have to overlap. Where's the federal land
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  Speaker 1: with the jurisdiction? So I think there's not a lot
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  Speaker 1: of spaces where all that exists.
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  Speaker 3: I think there's more, like people sort of talked about
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  Speaker 3: this as like, oh, we're going to set up a
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  Speaker 3: clinic in Yellowstone National Park. Like that's not really what
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  Speaker 3: it is. Like DOD owns a ton of land. The
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  Speaker 3: VA owns a ton of land. Some of them have
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  Speaker 3: healthcare facilities. So I agree with you that you're trying
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  Speaker 3: to create a Venn diagram with a lot of overlap
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  Speaker 3: and it's complicated. But it's not like, I think, creating
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  Speaker 3: some clinic, a hospital from scratch in the middle of
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  Speaker 3: the Rocky Mountains. I think it's, you know, a little simpler.
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  Speaker 1: I think the worry is when you step off the line.
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  Speaker 3: The prosecution issue is hard.
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  Speaker 2: But the other one that I was getting to is
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  Speaker 2: the– so Nancy Northup, who heads up the Center for
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  Speaker 2: Reproductive Rights, said that under a public health– emergency declaration
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  Speaker 2: by HHS that could enable out-of-state prescribing and dispensing of
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  Speaker 2: medications for abortion for those in states with abortion bans.
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  Speaker 2: It does seem like Biden has now said he's considering
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  Speaker 2: doing the public health emergency. There's some question of just
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  Speaker 2: exactly what it enables, though, and some concern that it
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  Speaker 2: might backfire, though. I trust that a lot of the
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  Speaker 2: groups advocating have thought that through as well, and they
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  Speaker 2: want the White House to do this. And what I, look,
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  Speaker 2: as you, we're not.
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  Speaker 1: Lawyers, but But we read plenty of takes from them.
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  Speaker 2: We read plenty of takes from them. But look, if
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  Speaker 2: the amount of mayhem and danger to people who are
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  Speaker 2: now having to travel hundreds of miles to access reproductive care,
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  Speaker 2: like if this was caused by anything other than like
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  Speaker 2: five vicious little right-wing freaks, if it was caused by weather,
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  Speaker 2: if it was caused by a storm, if it was
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  Speaker 2: caused by a blackout, we'd of course call this a
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  Speaker 2: public health emergency. Tens of millions of Americans not having
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  Speaker 2: access to basic medical care is a public health emergency.
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  Speaker 2: We're just uncomfortable with the fact that it's being being
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  Speaker 2: put upon us by judges as opposed to some natural disaster.
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  Speaker 2: But it is an emergency.
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  Speaker 1: This is a problem in government that has been around
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  Speaker 1: for a long time, which is bureaucracy and particularly legal
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  Speaker 1: bureaucracy just sort of snuffs out every interesting creative idea.
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  Speaker 1: And the tell is, in some of these stories, it's
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  Speaker 1: like there are some in the White House who do
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  Speaker 1: think that they should do the public health emergency, that
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  Speaker 1: they do think they should do the, you know, that
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  Speaker 1: they thought about the abortion clinics on federal lands, right?
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  Speaker 1: There's always sort of a debate because some people think
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  Speaker 1: maybe it could happen. And then there's a lawyer that
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  Speaker 1: tells you that it shouldn't happen for some reason, or
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  Speaker 1: there's a bureaucrat that tells you it shouldn't happen.
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  Speaker 3: The criticism I had the least time for was don't
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  Speaker 3: politicize public health.
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  Speaker 1: I skipped right over that one. The one that I
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  Speaker 1: thought was more valid was because of the pandemic. and
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  Speaker 1: that was a public health emergency it would only free
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  Speaker 1: up like tens of thousands of dollars instead of millions
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  Speaker 1: so there's no money to free up in the public
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  Speaker 1: health public health has been which to me was a
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  Speaker 1: better argument than the politicization.
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  Speaker 2: Thing but it has to we have to make the
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  Speaker 2: argument about the aspects that aren't just about funding especially
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  Speaker 2: because the federal government's hands are tied on funding because
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  Speaker 2: of the Hyde Amendment. So what are the regulatory steps
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  Speaker 2: that this opens up? And some of the pushback from
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  Speaker 2: people against the public health emergency declaration are saying it
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  Speaker 2: only will give the president a few tools.
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  Speaker 1: Take all the tools.
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  Speaker 2: Take all the tools.
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  Speaker 1: Get all the tools.
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  Speaker 2: And the other piece of this too is there's some
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  Speaker 2: concern about what the courts will do in response. And
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  Speaker 2: I am, look, I think it is, I think it's
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  Speaker 2: worth appreciating that this White House has always just as
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  Speaker 2: a posture not, has moved toward decisions that they think
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  Speaker 2: will do the most good and have not been very
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  Speaker 2: receptive to kind of signals and kind of big displays
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  Speaker 2: that don't actually make a difference. But if your concern
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  Speaker 2: is that these things are going to get shut down
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  Speaker 2: by the courts at a certain point, let them get
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  Speaker 2: shut down. Do things show that show people what the
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  Speaker 2: courts are doing to restrict access to abortion. You know,
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  Speaker 2: don't worry so much about what some 40 year old,
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  Speaker 2: two year old Trump appointee you know, got his law
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  Speaker 2: degree in a cereal box is going to do to
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  Speaker 2: you make the case and fight and say, Hey, we're
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  Speaker 2: losing because of this. This is what, this is why
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  Speaker 2: we need more senators is why we need a bigger majority.
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  Speaker 1: I think the concern about protecting providers and patients is
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  Speaker 1: valid in the legal fight. I think the concern about
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  Speaker 1: like the courts just striking it down and having a
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  Speaker 1: loss is just silly for all the reasons.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: How does it, how does that end up worse? I
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  Speaker 3: don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Um, And then on that note about courts, the one
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  Speaker 1: other thing that Biden hasn't done, of course, is say
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  Speaker 1: that it's time for more dramatic court reform, like adding seats,
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  Speaker 1: which I think he should do. I believe in that.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't, obviously. But again, if he did that tomorrow,
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  Speaker 1: we'd be in the same position we're in right now
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  Speaker 1: because we don't have anyone near the votes in Congress
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  Speaker 1: for something like that. We don't even have enough votes
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  Speaker 1: for getting rid of the filibuster to codify Roe. So
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  Speaker 1: that's the other thing. But that's basically all the different
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  Speaker 1: options that he has right now. So The Washington Post
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  Speaker 1: had a long story over the weekend about how Democrats
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  Speaker 1: and activists were pretty upset over how long it took
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  Speaker 1: Biden and the White House to get to where basically
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  Speaker 1: they ended up at Friday's event. What did you guys
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  Speaker 1: think of those critiques?
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  Speaker 3: It was pretty fair. I mean, you know, everyone knew
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  Speaker 3: this was coming because of this leaked opinion. I think
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  Speaker 3: that a lot of legal experts, if you listen to
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  Speaker 3: strict scrutiny or hysteria, you probably knew this was coming
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  Speaker 3: a lot longer. And The White House, according to this
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  Speaker 3: post report, seemed to think that the final opinion would
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  Speaker 3: drop on June 30th. But it still took until last
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  Speaker 3: Friday to get the executive order out. So I just
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  Speaker 3: don't get why the executive order wasn't ready. Like Biden
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  Speaker 3: has obviously dealt a tough hand here, right? He's got
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  Speaker 3: this radical court. He's got a Senate that won't use
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  Speaker 3: its power and get rid of the filibuster. But I
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  Speaker 3: don't know. It did seem like they were unprepared.
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  Speaker 1: The leak was in May. This was the one decision
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  Speaker 1: that we had a heads up on because it was leaked.
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  Speaker 1: And again, he's right that he has limited power and
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  Speaker 1: what he needs is the Congress to pass a law.
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  Speaker 1: But again, I'd love to have seen him gone to
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  Speaker 1: Michigan and go do an event with Governor Whitmer. You
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  Speaker 1: could go to the West Coast. You could do events
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  Speaker 1: with Gavin Newsom in California or the governors of Oregon
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  Speaker 1: and Washington or putting together this West Coast Reproductive Rights
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  Speaker 1: Compact to provide services. I mean, it just seems like
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  Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot of creativity. You know, I even
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  Speaker 1: came across an old clip from the primary.
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  Speaker 3: It was the sixth debate. It was a CNN debate.
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  Speaker 3: And Kamala Harris was like, hey, we've barely talked about
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  Speaker 3: abortion rights at all in six of these debates. And
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  Speaker 3: then she made this impassioned case about all these anti-abortion
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  Speaker 3: laws getting passed in states and the impact they could have.
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  Speaker 3: And it seemed really prescient in hindsight. It's like they
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  Speaker 3: could have had the vice president out doing much more events.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it just felt like, listen, messaging isn't action.
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  Speaker 3: It's not going to fix the problem, but it shows
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  Speaker 3: people that you're fighting.
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  Speaker 2: To go back to the public health emergency analogy for
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  Speaker 2: a second, the president can't change the weather. But when
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  Speaker 2: terrible disaster strikes, the president goes, he consoles people, he
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  Speaker 2: surveys what happened to the country.
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  Speaker 1: Which, by the way, this president is quite good at
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  Speaker 1: consoling people.
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  Speaker 2: And I think the fact that we're still debating whether
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  Speaker 2: or not it's a public health emergency, whether it's worth
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  Speaker 2: declaring one this many weeks after the decision was handed down,
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  Speaker 2: I think what people are responding to, regardless of whether
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  Speaker 2: or not the president has specific power here or there,
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  Speaker 2: is please treat this at the scale of emergency that
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  Speaker 2: it is. Please respect how big of a crisis the
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  Speaker 2: country is going to. And maybe the more you reflect
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  Speaker 2: how big of a crisis this is in how you respond,
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  Speaker 2: how quickly you get out there, how often you're out there,
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  Speaker 2: how quickly you're laying out the steps you believe you
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  Speaker 2: do have the capacity to take, doing it immediately in
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  Speaker 2: the hours, not weeks after the decision is handed down,
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  Speaker 2: Maybe that also helps change the politics of the moment, too,
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  Speaker 2: that you're not just you're not that you're helping shape
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  Speaker 2: the public response to this event as it unfolds as
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  Speaker 2: the disaster.
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  Speaker 1: That it is. The reason that you know that it
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  Speaker 1: was just it was a fuck up is that they
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  Speaker 1: eventually got to on Friday where most activists wanted them
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  Speaker 1: to go. So right after the decision was announced. There
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: was a very viral Twitter thread from AOC where she
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  Speaker 1: said Democratic leaders should be specific and say we need
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  Speaker 1: two more pro-choice senators. You know, Brian Boitler has been
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  Speaker 1: saying that here. Our team at Vote Save America has
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  Speaker 1: been saying that. Then, you know, David Plouffe said something.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: So all these people said it.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: Brian's doing his own little insurrection outside the White House.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: Biden eventually got Biden eventually gets there, but he gets
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: there three weeks later, two weeks later.
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: And so that's how, you know, look, if Biden genuinely
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: didn't believe in these things, didn't want to take these actions,
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: didn't think they were possible, that's one thing. They could
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: have made an argument, but they just weren't ready. Like
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: our team at Votes Save America didn't know the day
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: that the decision was coming down. We were ready. Like
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: they had since May to get ready. And like the
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: fact that they eventually got there is a tell that
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: they just didn't get their shit together in time.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: Or that, you know, even in this piece that was
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: looking at, you know, all the criticism of the delay,
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: they report that there were meeting after meeting, thinking through
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: what they could do in response. So this may not
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: be up to anyone except Joe Biden himself. Joe Biden
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: himself being slow to make a very important decision that
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: everyone knew he was going to get to.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Well, how did you, I mean, how did you not
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: know that the filibuster thing was going to come up, right?
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: And so like, sure enough, three days after the decision,
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: he's in Madrid for a press conference and Biden like
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: blurts out on his own, apparently, according to the Post,
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: in a conference call with aides that he wants to
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: come out for getting rid of the filibuster for this.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: But I'm like, how is there not a meeting about
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: that specific scenario?
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: John, the timeline is even more convoluted. He was calling
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: into a meeting from Germany after the decision, and then
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: three days later, blurted it out in Madrid at a
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: press conference. It's sort of like, why did we just
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: sit on this?
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: And then it also puts the vice president in a
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: bad position because she's not getting ahead of Biden. So
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: she goes out there has a terrible interview about this.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: What is it?
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: Hours? Daily?
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know the exact timeline, but very soon after,
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: they actually take that position. Just looks bad.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: So the White House had quite the response to the
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Post story. Here's the official statement from Communications Director Kate Bedingfield. Quote,
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden's goal in responding to Dobbs is not to
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: satisfy some activists who have been consistently out of step
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: with the mainstream of the Democratic Party. is to deliver
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: help to women who are in danger and assemble a
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: broad-based coalition to defend a woman's right to choose now,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: just as he assembled such a coalition to win during
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: the 2020 campaign. Where the hell do you think that
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: came from?
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, listen, I think, first of all, it's important
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: to just say, this isn't Kate riffing. No. You know
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: what I mean? This wasn't like a TV interview that
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: went badly. This was clearly a prepared statement that I'm
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: sure was signed off on by everyone on the senior staff.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: And so, yeah, I read that. I couldn't believe it.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, I tried to put on my most sympathetic...
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: imagine yourself back in that building hat. And just, I
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: thought about the fact that criticism from your friends always
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: hurts more than criticism from your enemies politically. And especially
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: in a case like this, where they know like how
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: challenging the situation is. And I'm sure someone said something
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: that the white house felt was unfair. I agree with
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: the sentiment that you need the broadest coalition to solve
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: this problem or frankly, any problem, but it's just bad
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: politics to criticize activists that in a couple of weeks,
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: you're going to be asking, to organize and get fired
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: up and go work for you in the midterms. And
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: I just think it kind of feels like there's this
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: lingering frustration in the Biden White House with the left.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: And they feel like, well, during the primary, we ignored
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: Twitter and some of the criticism from the left that
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: drove the day-to-day news cycle. And that's why we won.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: And there's probably some truth to that, but you just
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: can't lump the overturning of Roe versus Wade an activism
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: around that seismic event in our history with sort of
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: things that were in hindsight, maybe silly to focus on
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: during the democratic primary. And you can't both be really
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: slow to put out a plan for what to do
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: in the wake of a decision this big, and then
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: yell at the activists who are trying to fill the void,
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: you know? And like Biden is facing some real headwinds
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: right now, especially with young voters. And it's just, it's,
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: When you're on the record quote is potentially the most
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: damaging part of a story like this, it's a really
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: bad setup.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: There have been issues where Biden, it's part of how
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: he became the nominee, where Biden has sort of stood
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: astride the politics of the moment and refused to go
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: along with the lefties and made a point of it.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: This isn't one of those issues. This isn't criticism from
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: an activist left. There's a vast majority of people that
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: are in favor of of codifying Roe that are pro-choice.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: This criticism is broad based. It isn't left, right. It is,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: it is a, it is, it is, it is coming
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: from most Democrats.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: But I was going to say, you know, one of
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: those people who's in favor of codifying Roe and getting
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: rid of the filibuster to do it, Joe fucking Biden.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: This is what, to Tommy's point, like, Her quote, I
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: read the quote so many times, I was so angry.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: I've rarely been this angry seeing something come from the
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Biden White House because it's like that quote, the whole
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: rest of the story was basically about how like, yeah,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: the White House was slow, but they got to a
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: good place, right? And the president had just gotten to
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: a good place on Friday. We just talked about the speech,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: you know, little improvements here or there, but finally he
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: got there. He's in the right place. And then because
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: they're so pissed at activists and so angry, They decide
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: to put that statement out, which is not even a
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: true statement. Even if you take her argument, like you said,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: that activists are out of step with the mainstream and
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. Yeah, on some issues, sure. We're some
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: of those activists sometimes. That's fine. Whatever. I'll point out
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: those issues. But on this issue, you have the President
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: of the United States just taking the position. Then the
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: President goes out on Sunday and they ask him, what
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: do you have to say to the protesters that are
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: protesting in front of the White House? And Joe Biden says,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: keep protesting, keep protesting. So he tells the protesters to
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: keep protesting. And Kate Bedingfield told the protesters that they're
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: out of step with the mainstream Democratic Party. It was
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: one of the worst unforced errors I've ever seen from
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: this White House or any Democratic White House. I could
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: not believe it.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: It is actually baffling. It's actually just, it's baffling, especially
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: because this isn't a moment where there's any, there's nothing
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: to be gained by dividing up. the party on this issue.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: There's just nothing.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: We all have to hang together to win this next.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, again, we're all on the same side in
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: this fight.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Right. I mean, that's the other half of the quote.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: He wants to assemble a broad based coalition. It's like, yes,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: that's exactly the point. So you can't kick the shit
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: out of the left. Like which activists out of step
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: with what mainstream, like what, you know, that someone was
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: mad about something specific and drew up a quote in
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: a way that just pissed off literally everyone. And like,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: like I, yeah, I felt deeply frustrated because like, I
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: feel like us on this show, we're always trying to
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: put ourselves in the shoes of the people working in
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: the government and how hard it is to actually govern
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: versus campaigning. And there is, I think, some understandable, but some,
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: I think, silly frustration with the rejoinder, which is we
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: need to win more seats because we fucking do. But
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: when you lash out at activists and then go vote, vote, vote, vote, vote, vote, vote,
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: it feeds into that cynicism with pointing to electoral politics
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: and turnout as part of the solution. And I think
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: That's damaging for all of us here.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: And again, it's like if you, we can talk about
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: specific provisions, specific issues. Like if you don't think that
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: abortion clinics on federal lands is a good idea because
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: you're worried about what will happen to providers and patients.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Like maybe we can disagree on that, but totally understand
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: that that's your view. If Joe Biden just is not
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: there on court reform yet, I disagree with him. I
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: think we should reform the court. But you know what?
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: That's his position. We'll keep trying to persuade him. Just saying, oh,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: you fucking activists are out of step with the party.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: That's not the way to do it. That's not the
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: way to make the argument.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: It'd be one thing if there had been a vote,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: like if there had been a vote where there'd been
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: a different version of codifying Roe that tried to answer
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: the concerns of Collins and Murkowski that was more conservative
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: and didn't go far enough. And there was a dissensus
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: amongst the left. And some Democrats were saying, we're going
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: to sink this thing because it doesn't go far enough.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: You can come up with a scenario where you could
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: have seen some intra-left issue being important in this moment.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: That has not happened. That is not what we are seeing.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because Joe Biden signed on to the legislation that
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: doesn't just protect Roe, but would expand Roe. So her
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: boss is in the wrong. I mean, it's wild. I
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: won't keep going. I just, I couldn't believe that it happened.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: One note of optimism before we move on. There was
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: another development. Tommy, you've been talking about Michigan a lot.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Organizers in Michigan announced on Monday that they turned in
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: over 750,000 signatures to to get a ballot initiative this
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: November that would enshrine the right to an abortion in
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: the state's constitution. In order to qualify, they needed just
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: over 425,000 signatures. They got over 750,000, which is huge.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: If you all want to support the campaign in Michigan,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: as well as the campaign to stop anti-choice ballot measures
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: in Kansas and Kentucky, remember there's a vote in Kansas
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: on August 2nd. That's going to be the first time
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: there's an actual vote on abortion in the states since Dobbs.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: You can donate to Vote Save America's Fight Back Fund.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: at votesaveamerica.com slash fight back. January 6th committee is back
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: this week with a brand new episode of Insurrection on Tuesday.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: This episode will focus on Trump's connection to violent extremist
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: groups like the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers, specifically
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: his December 19th tweet that said, quote, big protest in D.C.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: on January 6th. Be there. We'll be wild. On Friday,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: the committee finally interviewed former White House counsel Pat Cipollone
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: behind closed doors. And over the weekend, they got a
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: surprise offer of testimony from the host of the War
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Room podcast, Stephen K. Bannon, who didn't have the best
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: day in court on Monday during the pretrial hearing on
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: his contempt of Congress charges. Maybe we should start there. Tommy,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: how'd Bannon's hearing go? And what's with the change of
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: heart on his decision to testify? What's he up to here?
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Steve, my mentor, my future co-host.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: What's been going on in the war room? He had
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: a bad day.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: I haven't listened in a minute. I got to get back.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, so he had a bad day in court. Steve's,
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: I call him Stevie, Steve's criminal contempt hearing will not
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: be delayed beyond July 18th. Steve wanted it delayed because
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: the jury pool would be tainted by the publicity in
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: his legal view. The judge ruled against that. They ruled
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: against his motion to subpoena House Democrats. Bannon cannot argue
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: to the jury that he doesn't have to comply with
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: the January 6th committee because the committee wasn't properly put together.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: I think that was a novel legal argument they were
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: putting forward. The judge called the last minute offer to
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: testify a last ditch attempt to avoid accountability. Basically, Steve's
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: only defense is to argue that he didn't understand the
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: deadlines to the point where his exasperated lawyer was basically like, well,
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: what's the point of going to trial if I have
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: no defenses available to me? Probably not something you want
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: to hear your lawyer say. So yeah, it was pretty bad.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: How are we supposed to go to trial if we
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: don't have any defense left? So there was also a
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Justice Department court filing related to Ben's contempt case that
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: came out on Monday that revealed that the DOJ interviewed
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump's attorney, Justin Clark, two weeks ago.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: What's that about? Garland finally about to get him?
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: No.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: No.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: Shit.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: No, it was literally, I think, just about what they
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: told Steve Bannon. And it seems like what Trump's lawyer
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: said is, we never told them that there was executive
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: privilege for what Steve Bannon said. Which is interesting, right?
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Because they've been making obscene, completely ridiculous claims about what
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: executive privilege is or means this whole time. But for
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: whatever reason, they chose on this to not help their
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: boy Steve out.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: This is genuinely confusing. So there's a letter from October 6th.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Clark instructed Bannon to quote, where appropriate, invoke any immunities
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: and privileges he may have from compelled testimony in response
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: to the subpoena. He also told Bannon not to produce
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: any privileged documents or testimony. Bannon's lawyers say they were like,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: what does that mean? Give us more clarity on what
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: specifically was privileged. But then Trump's lawyers didn't offer any more.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: So my cynical hat, take on this is that that
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: seems very convenient for everybody involved. Steve Bannon's like, oh,
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: I was told everything was privileges, so I can't talk.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Trump got a key witness to shut up. But now
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Trump's lawyer is throwing Bannon's lawyer under the bus. Bannon's
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: guy is pissed. So it's a total mess.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Well, I think as a lawyer, he can't be on
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: the record telling someone to do something that isn't, like
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: he can't give legal advice that isn't based in the law.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: He can't say, This is executive.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, the Trump's lawyer is saying, like, look,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: we certainly didn't say you had immunity from testimony. Right.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Sounds like Steve Bannon is going to testify. Well, and
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was worried when I first saw this,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: that this was some this was some stunt where Bannon
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: just wanted to, like, you know, talk on TV because
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: yeah everybody thought this.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Was going to be like his messaging.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: But like clearly the January yeah Liz.
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: Isn't going to let that happen Liz you think Liz
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: woke up Liz woke up today for the first time
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: this is Liz Cheney we're talking about alright she's going
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: to save this god damn country alright but it's also
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: yeah they're not going to put Ben in front of
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: Ben is going to do something behind closed doors first
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: But it's also funny because it's like Bannon, like right
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: before his trial begins, is like, actually, I take back
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: my crime.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: I take back my crime. Like he's driving back to
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: the bank to put the money back. That's how it works.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: The prosecutors made that case in court today. They're like, no,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: you don't get to get rid of the contempt charges
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: just because now you offer to testify. You already committed
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: the crime. That's not how it works.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: You didn't answer the subpoena.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: You didn't answer the subpoena.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Just, what, did you forget?
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's his last defense.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: That's what the lawyer, literally, his last defense is it's
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: an oopsie-doopsie.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: Misdemeanor charges are punishable by at least 30 days or
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: up to one year in prison upon conviction. I think
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: there's two charges. There might be up to a $ 100, 000 fine.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just, what's just pure justice about this
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: whole thing is he may be guilty for contempt. And
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: then he also is going to testify. Well, he's going
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: to get the testimony anyway.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: John, judging by my viewing of the movie, double jeopardy,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: couldn't you just do the time and then not testify?
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Like what happens then?
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I think, well, I don't know. I think, I think
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: he's making, I don't know. We'll see.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: I suggest you a stream double jeopardy.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Where the host is trick screwed and you're just like cringing.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Just fucking ask us for two, 30 seconds. Just give
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: us a call.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: Bunch of one L. Sorry.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Sorry. You guys are very smart. We're not. Um, Speaking
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: of closed-door testimony, Cipollone met with the committee for eight
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: hours on Friday. Love it. What do we know about
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: what they got out of him?
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: First thing, one thing to note, this has been noted
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: on Twitter, which I think is important. The closed captioning
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: doesn't know how to spell Pat Cipollone.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Neither does neither do I.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: So it's often in closed captioning as Patsy Bologna.
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: Is it really?
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Which is, whatever that does for you, I appreciate it.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: I got to check it all out of you.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: So he did, you know, declare certain things privileged. There
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: are certain things he refused to testify about. But spokesman
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: for the committee said that he provided critical testimony on
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: nearly every major topic. This includes information demonstrating Donald Trump's
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: supreme dereliction of duty. I don't care about dereliction of duty.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: I roll my eyes at dereliction of duty. The part
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: I like is where it says, the testimony also corroborated
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: key elements of Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony. Remember... that Cassidy Hutchinson
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: is the one that said a couple things that she
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: heard from Cipollone, one of which is, keep in touch
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: with me. We're going to get charged with every crime
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: imaginable if we make that movement happen, which is the
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: movement Trump tried to choke out his driver to get done.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: And then she was also the one who testified that
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: when the violence broke out, Cipollone demanded that Meadows speak
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: to Trump to get him to try to stop it.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: And when Meadows refused because Trump didn't want to do anything,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Cipollone said, something needs to be done or people are
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: going to die. The blood's going to be on your
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: fucking hands. So this is what it seems Cipollone may
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: have corroborated.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: So it seems as though Stephanie Murphy was on Meet
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: the Press. She's one of the January 6th committee members.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: She's going to be leading the hearing on Tuesday. She
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: said that he didn't necessarily confirm exactly the every crime's
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: imaginable quote, but also they said that he didn't contradict it.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: So they're all saying that he didn't contradict it or
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: even confirm. So they kind of went with the like,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Different people have different memories of similar things. He did
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: not contradict any testimony from any other witnesses. He also
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: didn't necessarily confirm every Cassidy Hutchinson story.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: He doesn't need to confirm everything. If you said at
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: the fucking White House, they've got us for every crime imaginable.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: If you didn't say anything close to that, you'd be like,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: I never said that. That's not something I said. That's
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: not something I did. These are some of those memorable moments.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I said some crimes you might be able to imagine.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Look, there are forgettable days at work. We've all had them.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: This isn't one of them.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: It's going to be, the committee said they'll be playing
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: some of Cipollone's testimony in Tuesday's hearing.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: Can't wait. That'll be good. And then reportedly we're going
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: to get testimony from the former spokesman for the Oath Keepers.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Glad I didn't take that job. And also, one or two.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Real sliding doors moment for you.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: What the fuck? It was a Mark Penn contract.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: That joke is staying in.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: Apparently this guy was not in the Oath Keepers, but
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: was their spokesman and lived with Stuart Rhodes, one of
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: the founders of the Oath Keepers. I don't know.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Life choice, buddy.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: And then one or two January 6th rally attendees. I'm
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: not sure if that means like Jim Jordan and Matt
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Gaetz or just, you know, run of the mill attendees.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: But yeah.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: What do you think the, you know, a lot of
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: people are probably listening to this episode Tuesday morning right
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: before the hearing. What do you guys think the committee's
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: goal is for the hearing about specifically the connection between
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Trump and the extremist groups? Like, you know, we already
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: heard from Cassidy Hutchinson say that, like, Trump knew that
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: some of his supporters were armed and dangerous, urged them
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: to go to the Capitol anyway. So what more can
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: we get from this one?
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: So it sounds like, so a few of the committee
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: members were on Meet the Press and other shows, right?
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Murphy was a Lofgren was.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Raskin was out there.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: And what they said was, we're going to connect the
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: dots during these hearings between these groups and those who
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: are trying in government circles to overturn the election. So
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: it seems like this is the final piece of it.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: They're going to go to that meeting, Team Crazy's meeting at,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: was it the Willard? The Willard Hotel on December 18th.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: And I think they're going to try to tie what
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: they were going to do at the Capitol to what
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: the legal creeps were doing to try to overturn the election,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: trying to make, finally, that's something we've been talking about
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: for weeks. Like, how are they going to make that connection?
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: It seems, hopefully, this is a hearing where they're going
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: to finally really try to draw that connection.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah. They're going to say that Trump would, what's it, shofar?
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: He blew the MAGA shofar. He blew the MAGA shofar.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: And ironically, a bunch of Nazis came to D.C. Yeah,
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: that's bad. But that's the whole point, is that they
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: say this was like a siren song to get the
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: bad guys to come to D.C. And shofar isn't like.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: A thing that calls people. It's fine. It's fine. We'll
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: let it go.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: I imagine Game of Thrones when you sort of blow something.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: It's not like a Pied Piper thing.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Well, it's pretty loud, right?
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's loud. More of a signal. Do we want
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: to put one in here? Shall we put in the shofar?
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, I think they've been trying to make
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: the point since the first hearing that these were not
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: random goons who came to D.C., right? These were organized
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: extremist groups. And some of these organized extremist groups have
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: now been charged by the federal government with seditious conspiracy.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: And so now they want to connect Trump and his
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: goons and his co-conspirators in the coup to... the people
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: who've been charged with seditious conspiracy. I think that's probably
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: the purpose of this.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: And they really want to get into this meeting that
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: was on December 20th, 18th, 20th, 18th, in the White
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: House that features Sidney Powell, Mike Flynn, and the dude
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: that founded Overstock.com for some reason.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Sidney Powell, who was going to be the, he was
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: going to appoint as special counsel.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Which was supposed to be about declaring a national security
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: state of emergency. Wait, was that meeting at the.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: White House or was that the one at the Willard?
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: There's one at the White House and one at the Willard.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: These meetings are everywhere. We're going to.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: Get it all.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: It's all going to unfold right now. You're probably listening
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: to this right before the hearing starts.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: But yeah, that seems like an important meeting to cover. Also,
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: the New York Times reported right before he came in
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: that Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony has led DOJ to start discussing
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: Trump's role more openly in terms of whether he himself
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: organized or committed a crime.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, good. What took you so long? Do they not
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: know where she was?
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: And that it created pressure to look at his criminal culpability, which, yes,
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: my reaction was the same. Like, good, but why?
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: No, Andrew Weissman of the Mueller crew wrote in the
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: New York Times today, too, that Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony surprised
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: people at the DOJ. They had no idea where that
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: was coming from. And he's like, that's not a very
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: good sign for DOJ's possible investigation into this, that they
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: were surprised that this Cassidy Hutchinson testimony was out there. Now,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: I do realize that she had this moment where she's like, okay,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: I said so much, but now I want to say more.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: I have a new lawyer. We've talked about this. So
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: she clearly made a decision to say more. And she
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: went to the January 6th committee before she went to
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: federal prosecutors. But, hey, she was available to federal prosecutors, right?
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: They can subpoena anyone.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: It's... Look, I... I've said many times on this podcast
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: of ours that I don't appreciate Merrick Garland's deliberative base.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: We don't know what's going on inside of DOJ and
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: is the kind of thing where the people who know
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: aren't saying very much. But I worry, I appreciate what
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: they're saying, which is we're starting from the bottom and
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: we're working our way up. And they have gotten to
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: people like Jeffrey Clark, right? He is a senior person
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: at the Department of Justice. They are moving up. But
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: if they're so afraid of seeing political that they're not
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: talking about the mob boss. Like it's one thing to
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: say we're gonna start with the low level goons and
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: work our way up to the mob boss, but you
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: can't do that if you're afraid to mention the criminality
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: of the mob boss. So it's just, I just, I
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: hope that they're not, I hope that they're working their
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: way up to something, not afraid of doing something. But
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: it seems like it's probably both.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Clock's ticking.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: Who knows?
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: All right, when we come back, take appreciators. All right.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: We are back with another round of Take Appreciator. Here,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: our host of Take Appreciator, Chief Take Officer here at
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Crooked Media, Elijah Cohn, is with us once again.
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: Hey, John.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: John.
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: Tommy. How's it going? Hey, Lash.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Good to see you.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: Hey there.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: Welcome back to the Take Appreciators.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Thanks for having us.
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: I'm going to share some takes with you all. The
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: producers have seen these takes. You guys have not.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: That's right that works promise you all.
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: React and then rate them on a scale of one
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: to four politicos with four being the worst now we
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: put this together pretty quickly and andy encouraged me because
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: we don't have an interview today to get have several
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: so would you guys be willing to go over the
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: boy previously three.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Why don't we go till the exact moment we don't
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: want to go any further.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Why don't we try that?
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: Okay. I may have to change my order because there's
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: some that I found later that I really, really like.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Okay. Well, do your favorites. Get your favorites out there
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: early because you don't know when Lovett's going to just
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: cut this thing.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: You can't wait.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: You can't be like Biden and wait two weeks to
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: get to the point, you know?
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: I'll take that note to heart and we'll start with
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: this one that is an alley for you, Lovett. You're
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: tweeting about this piece. I actually put it on my
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: radar in the first place from the New York Times.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: I know this one.
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: A piece titled, The far left and far right agree
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: on one thing, women don't count. All right, so this
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: piece in its own word says that the right has
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: dedicated itself to stripping women of fundamental rights while the
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: fringe left is also misogynist because of trans inclusive language.
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: Here's how the piece concludes, quote, whether Trumpist or traditionalist,
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: fringe left activist or academic ideologue, misogynists from both extremes
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: of the political spectrum relish equally the power to shut
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: women up.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Huh. Op-ed or like a regular writer for The Times?
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: That's an opinion piece. If you guys want to take
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: a guess about who wrote it.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think Love and I know who it is.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: We know who it is.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: I do not. Brett Stevens.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: It sounds like a Brett Stevens.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Well, that's interesting that you would say that because this
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: person has been in their past connected to Brett Stevens.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't know that.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Yes, they were married to Brett Stevens. And there is.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: is an unsubstantiated rumor. So the author of this piece ran,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: I believe, the New York Times Book Review. And basically,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: it was thought that it was hard to get your
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: book into the New York Times Book Review if you
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: ever said some shit about Bret Stephens.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: Oh, wow.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: That's good gossip. It's been said.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: It's Pamela Paul. By the way, I don't know that
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: what I just said is true, and I don't care.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Because that's not why this piece sucks, First Amendment. That's
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: not what the problem is with these columns.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: This is off the charts false equivalency on this one.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Just off the charts in the wake of Dobbs.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: It's truly... Truly despicable.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: It is so... Just sort of know your enemy, know
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: what your threat... If you actually are worried about Trumpists
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: and attacks on women from the right, the idea that
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: you would equate it to... language that respects the existence
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: of trans people is obscene. It is ridiculous.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: It is born of- Or even a debate over that language.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: It's just so great.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: It's like so- It's, it just is, it's, it is
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: so awful. And it just reflects somebody, it reflects a
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: worldview that just doesn't worry about their own risk, right?
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: That just doesn't feel threatened by what's happening enough. Because
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: if you really did internalize how dangerous the right is,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: to women, to all of us, to trans people, to everybody,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: you would never in a million years equate it to
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: recognizing the fact that trans people exist and that we
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: are having an important conversation about gender that is long overdue.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: It's just obscene. I hate it.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: It's the worst con I've ever seen. 15 Pinocchios.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Full playbook from Love It?
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: It has to have the... I have to give it
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: the full playbook. Especially because it was designed... It was
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: designed to enrage Twitter. It was designed to do what
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: it did.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: I'm giving it a full playbook because in the true
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: way that the take appreciator scale was developed, it's for
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: someone who just tried really hard to be that annoying.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Those are the people who really deserve it, and I
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: think this does.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Her next column was about how John Roberts should retire.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: She's on a tear.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Just what a waste of space in a newspaper that
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: column is. I didn't read it, so I'm going to
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: go four politicos. I resisted the siren song of being
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: outraged by an idiot.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Great. While on vacation.
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: By the way, Elijah. All right.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: Enough on this one.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: Because I was on vacation, too, when this came out.
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: I saw your rage tweeting.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: I was rage tweeting on vacation.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Good.
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: I was relaxing, and then a take that high came
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: across the wire.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: All right, Tommy. Well, let's see how you react to
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: this idiot.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you.
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: I'm going to jump around here. I'm going to move
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: this one up to make sure we get to it.
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: This was from a cable news show. It just happened.
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: We need a little bit of background for it. Maybe
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: we should play the Red Hen Civility Alert.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: Red Hen Civility Alert. Red Hen Civility Alert. Paging Chuck Todd.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: Paging Chuck Todd. Tip O'Neill. Ronald Reagan. You are needed
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: with a bourbon in the West Wing.
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: Red Hen I think you guys know where I'm going
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: with this. So recently, Judge Brett Kavanaugh went out to
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: eat at Morton's Steakhouse. Some protesters found out he was there.
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: They went to the restaurant. They never went inside, but
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: Kavanaugh was forced to leave early through the back door.
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: This led to a civility outrage news cycle, one of
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: our favorites here, which included this clip, Charlotte, whenever you're ready.
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: But let's be very clear. None of us, and you,
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: do not have a First Amendment right to protest judges.
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: You explicitly and specifically do not have that right. So, yes,
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: I mean, you could do it to the view if
• 43:20
  Speaker 7: you want. There's not a specific rule against that.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: I don't want to interrupt their dinner. That sounds dangerous.
• 43:28
  Speaker 7: Whatever happened to they're afraid of a return to norms
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: or they wanted a return to norms. But the more
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: they do this, the more they just encourage people on
• 43:35
  Speaker 7: the right to respond in kind, which is people typically don't.
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: But I'm not encouraging that. Obviously, January 6th is a
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: completely different thing. So don't at me.
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: All right, guys, who's who's going to talk about the
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: return to norms? Who was that?
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: That was Dana Perino, right?
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: Yes, correct.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: Recognize the voice. I mean, this is going to have
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: to be a full playbook for me because it's so
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: fundamentally wrong.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Well, you know what it is? There's been something going
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: around that apparently it is illegal to protest outside Supreme
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Court justices' homes. There is a law about that. So
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: they have twisted that now into, there's no First Amendment
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: right to protest. To go to Morton's?
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no like, yeah, the Constitution doesn't like cease
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: existing in a 500 radius of these fucking creeps.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: This one was great because you got a random brand
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: to weigh in with the statement on constitutional rights. And
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: like whenever we can get Morton's involved in some sort of,
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: you know, like Second Amendment, Third, pick an amendment. If
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: you can get a dinner chain to weigh in, I
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: think that's a winning proposition. strategy for terrible takes.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's challenged the law about not protesting
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: outside justice's home in some times. I might imagine you'd
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: win that challenge.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: How could you? You know who's going to rule on it?
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Those fucking assholes.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: Why is this such catnip for cable pun? It's like
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: every time someone's dining experience gets messed up in some.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Way, it's a story. I'll tell you why. In the
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: same way, there are certain people that watch nature videos
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: and they see a cheetah chasing a gazelle and they
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: can only see themselves as the cheetah. They do not
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: recognize themselves as the gazelle. These are all people that
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: eat at fucking fancy places. It is inconceivable of them
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: to not have access to reproductive care, but they can
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: imagine their dinner being disturbed. That is easy to imagine.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Not the back door. He couldn't go to the front door.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: He had to go to the back door. Did he
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: have to walk by trash, too? The poor guy.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: Poor guy.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: By the way, for all we know, look, if you've
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: eaten at Morton's, there's many times where you need to
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: leave quickly to get home to a toilet. And for
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: all we know, Brett Kavanaugh was desperate to shit after
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: eating a huge and really probably delicious, but ultimately disgusting meal.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: And maybe he just needed to get home. And those
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: protesters were the cover he needed.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Thanks, Elijah. Thanks for including this.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: You did this.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Thanks for doing this.
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: No, I also like Morton's love.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: It.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: I give this one three, three, because she wasn't, she
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: didn't really, she sort of stumbled into it.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: She, you know, it's, I don't think Dana Perino thinks
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: the First Amendment doesn't apply to judges. It's live TV.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know how anybody does it. We edit this
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: thing to pieces.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like it, does it?
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: You'd be amazed what we don't put out.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: It certainly doesn't sound like it.
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: I thought the norms talk would get you all the way, Joe.
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: That's upsetting to me.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, by this point, you know, there's only so
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: much outrage we can muster. Go ahead. Give us another one.
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: All right. I don't know if this one fits the
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: normal take appreciators, but it's just so fun. It's just
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: so outrageous. I had to put it in here. So
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: it also feels appropriate because today we have the January
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: 6th hearing that's focused on extremist groups like the Proud
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: Boys and Oath Keepers. Come watch the January 6th hearings
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: with us on our group thread, youtube.com slash crooked media. Subscribe.
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: This piece was in the Sarasota Herald Tribune.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: It was so egregious that they actually removed it today,
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: but screenshots live forever. So here we go. This piece
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: is titled Attacking Proud Boys Does a Disservice to Caring
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: School Parents.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: What?
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: Again, the Proud Boys are a violent extremist group. Here's
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: a quote. When I think of the Proud Boys, I
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: think of fathers, business owners, and veterans.
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: Come on.
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: These fathers have spoken at many school board meetings. They
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: are concerned about the direction of their local schools, and
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: I commend them for coming to school board hearings. Now,
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: does anyone happen to know who wrote this?
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: I do not.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: I saw this controversy flare up. Is this a joke?
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Is this a parody?
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: No, it's a real joke.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: It does seem like when those Russian comedians crank call
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: people and get on the phone with the Secretary of
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: State somehow.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: It can't be someone that we know.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: No, no. I think this falls into the category of
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: it is impossible to tell the difference between extremism and
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: parody without more context because this is such a fat
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: shit fucking thing.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: So the author was Hugh Hewitt.
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: The author is someone... None of y'all are going to
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: guess her name. It was Melissa Radovich. But the kicker
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: is that she is married to a member of the
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: Proud Boys.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, there we go.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Well, at least they took it down. But it tells
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: it's quite telling that it went up at all.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, you can you can use the I see
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: them as caring parents phrase. excuse with literally any flavor
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: of horrific person throughout history. Yeah.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: It is absolutely true that, uh, many people who join
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: fascistic right-wing organizations are in other ways considered upstanding members
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: of society. That's in part what has made them so dangerous.
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: That's, um, anyway, I mean, that one's on the op-ed pitch.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't know what's
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: going on in Sarasota. There's some ideas that you don't
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: really need to circulate on your platform. That would be
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: a good one to not.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Um, All right.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Do we want to call it there or do we
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: want Elijah to do one more?
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: Let's do one more. Let's do your last one.
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: All right. Which one should I pick?
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: I hope it's just a takedown of the James Webb
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: Space Telescope. Deep field my ass, Elijah said.
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: There's so many good ones. There's the Dan McLaughlin tweet,
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: but I'm going to pass by that because it's just
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: a tweet. But that one was really good.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we shouldn't. No one should give Baseball Crank more airtime.
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: I think this is a fun one. I could get
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: some debate going here from you guys. It's from Politico magazine.
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: So kind of a namesake for the segment here.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: It is titled, If Tucker Runs in 2024, Here's Who
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: the Democrats Need. All right. Spoiler, it's Jon Stewart. So
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: the piece stipulates that Biden should run again, but if
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: he doesn't and Tucker does, Jon Stewart should run. Here's
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: a quote. If Biden doesn't run, Stewart would start with
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: a massive name idea advantage over any Democrat in a
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: vast legion of daily show viewers. The show ended six
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: years ago, but Trump's jump from TV to the White
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: House has taught that viewers, even of a declining reality series,
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: can be committed voters. By that measure, Stewart starts off
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: better positioned anyone else in the democratic field from the start.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: Man, that is some impressive brain poison right there.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: I don't hate it. I don't hate it. He fulfills
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: my number one rule, which is famous for 2010. It
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: was just true for any streaming service or any politician
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: who's going to be president. You got to be famous
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: for 2010. Look, I'll say what NBC executives say. said
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: about a lot of comedians in the 1990s, too vaguely.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: I think that that was for Elijah. This person needs to... Look,
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: I love John Stewart. I love The Daily Show.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: It was not watched by that many people is what
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: this person I think is missing. It was a very
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: niche thing.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: I like Jon Stewart too. Um, I think if we're
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: going to run a comedian for president, I think we
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: go with Colbert. Oh, there's a gut felt. I would,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: I would run our site. I think that's a gut felt. Yeah.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: It's gut felt.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: Colbert.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: It's gut felt everybody.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: National audience on CBS.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Throw in the towel.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: It's gut felt. Politically astute. I'm, I'm going for Colbert.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: Um, Yeah, Colbert also hasn't evolved the sort of cranky
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: grandpa energy that Jon Stewart has.
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a, you know.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: Which, look, I enjoy. I find it very funny, but
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: I think it's challenging politically when you need to, like,
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: talk to people you don't like.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Who wrote this? Who wrote this? Is this Jack Schaefer? No,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: Jack Schaefer wouldn't do that. Who's this? I'm trying to think.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Who would write this piece?
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: You guys just want to know?
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to know.
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: I don't know. It's Juliana Glover.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, there you go. From her desk at Cafe Milano.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's... I don't know. We'll see the Bill Maher
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: trial balloon soon, I'm sure, too.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, boy.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: No.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Brutal.
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: You guys want to throw that at Politico rating?
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Put it away. One.
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, one.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: It's a half-hearted... Your troll bores me.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: And again, I will just say, I agree with the
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: analysis on this dais, but... My first reaction was like,
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: but I'll tell you a second. I let it roll
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: around in my mind for 30 seconds. I let it
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: bounce around. This wasn't something that it didn't go. It
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: didn't bounce in and right back out. I let it
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: roll around in there. Just a lot. Just let it,
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: I let it, I let it, I let it walk around.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Certainly better than a lot of the kids.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: I look at, listen, we can, we can talk about
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: the list. Put him on a bracket. I don't think
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: he's out in the first round.
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: The piece, the actual piece does have a lot of like,
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: I know this is a terrible idea, but bear with me.
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: And I've bared with her and it's a.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: Pretty good idea. You bore with her so long that
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: here we are talking about it. Zero politicos.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: Zero politicos. Zero. Zero politicos. It is simply a take.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: I think this story forced. I think Stuart came out
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: and denied it on Twitter.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Denied.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: So did Obama in 2004.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: And then some journalist was like, this wasn't Sherman-esque.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: Elijah, thank you as always for
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: a fantastic round of Take Appreciator.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: I think we all enjoyed ourselves.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: Everybody wins.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: And everyone enjoy the hearing today. And Dan and I
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: will be back on Thursday to talk all about it. Bye, everyone.
• 53:25
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• 53:28
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• 53:32
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• 53:35
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• 53:38
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• 53:41
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• 53:49
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• 53:53
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