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S2 #4 Dean’s Disaster · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I almost famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with our radio whoa Hey everybody, I'm Ben. Whoa boom,
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  Speaker 1: I'm Ashley. Oh no, actually wait, actually try again. We
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  Speaker 1: cannot start a podcast with a boom that is that's
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  Speaker 1: retired and out and about sounded like that's where you
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  Speaker 1: were going with. No, no, no, I just say hi,
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  Speaker 1: actually please, I just need to get that out of
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  Speaker 1: my memory. Hi, I'm Ashley. Perfect. How about we start
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  Speaker 1: talking about last night's episode. I think we have to
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  Speaker 1: start off talking about Dean Um. Everybody knows them friends
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  Speaker 1: with him, and I don't care, but I have to
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  Speaker 1: say that there's nothing about his behavior last night that
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  Speaker 1: I can defend or condone. Wow, really what about it?
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  Speaker 1: I just think it was just lazy and completely insensitive
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  Speaker 1: and thoughtless to be hooking up with a girl in public,
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  Speaker 1: in a pool, in front of the face of the
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  Speaker 1: girl who you slept with the night before. Yeah, I would.
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  Speaker 1: I was. I was watching this whole episode, Ashley, and
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  Speaker 1: I was jotting down my notes, which I usually do,
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  Speaker 1: and I actually wrote, and I don't know how this
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  Speaker 1: will come off, but I wrote, this episode of Paradise
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  Speaker 1: was extra sexual, not just because of the scenes of
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  Speaker 1: people looking up, but because of the the connotations and
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  Speaker 1: and the verbage and the words being used to kind
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  Speaker 1: of explain sex, right, I mean, through this, through this podcast,
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  Speaker 1: I think we're gonna talk a lot today about virgin shaming,
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  Speaker 1: which is a topic that you tweet out about, um
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  Speaker 1: about the same thing you just talked about, how Dean
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  Speaker 1: hooked up with a girl right after hooking up with
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  Speaker 1: Christina and how that fits in the paradise and is
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  Speaker 1: that acceptable in paradise? Is totally non acceptable in paradise?
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  Speaker 1: Um or not? I mean, there's a there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of themes going on in this episode that I thought
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  Speaker 1: really stood out to me, and Dean's was definitely one
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  Speaker 1: of the ones that was hardest for me to watch,
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  Speaker 1: not only because they black boxed his crotch the whole episode.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the guy was a tent. I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: seemed like every time I'd see the guy, it was
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  Speaker 1: black box. I didn't notice, howther than that one time
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  Speaker 1: where they woke up in the boom boom room. No.
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  Speaker 1: I mean because then at the very end of the episode,
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  Speaker 1: Member that she like truth or dared him. Oh, the
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  Speaker 1: one that she was trying. Yeah. Monday Nights episode she
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  Speaker 1: truth or dared him and she said I truth or
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  Speaker 1: dare you something, and then they bleeped it out and
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  Speaker 1: the next thing you know, he's closing his eyes thinking
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  Speaker 1: about dirty thoughts. So he can you know? Yeah it? Um, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, actually, you'll be able to answer this better
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  Speaker 1: than I can. Is it acceptable in paradise? Uh, let's
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  Speaker 1: take maybe sex out of the equation for a second. Here.
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  Speaker 1: To hook up with somebody, so you're making out with
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  Speaker 1: somebody and then a couple of hours later make out
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  Speaker 1: with somebody else in front of that person. Is that
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  Speaker 1: an acceptable act in paradise? I wouldn't think that's an
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  Speaker 1: acceptable will act any air in life? I would agree,
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  Speaker 1: But Paradise is different, right, I mean, you are there
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  Speaker 1: to meet somebody, and there are multiple people to meet
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  Speaker 1: at once. I'm not claiming it's okay. I'm just asking
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  Speaker 1: you Paradise is a little bit of a different world,
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  Speaker 1: or does paradise still hold the same standards we should
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  Speaker 1: be held to in life. I guess that I'd be
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  Speaker 1: hypocritical and saying that's not okay. Considering on the Bachelor
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  Speaker 1: of the Bachelorette, the bachelor of the bachelorette is going
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  Speaker 1: around and kissing a zillion people at the cocktail party,
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  Speaker 1: you know, or during group dates. Like that's just something
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  Speaker 1: that we've become accustomed to. Um in Paradise. If they
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  Speaker 1: were making out and then he made out with another
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  Speaker 1: girl at night, I guess that wouldn't have been the
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  Speaker 1: biggest deal. But I think it was totally different with
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  Speaker 1: the fact that she even admitted that they had sex
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  Speaker 1: the night before. Yeah, I mean, I think at that point, right,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, and and let's let's make this clear. Actually
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  Speaker 1: and I both like Dean. We both know that Dean
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  Speaker 1: is young, but that's not an excuse for this behavior.
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  Speaker 1: It's not an excuse because a lot of guys have
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  Speaker 1: been twenty six on the show and not behaved so
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  Speaker 1: insensitively exactly. So for this, for this topic, we are
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  Speaker 1: not condoning things behavior. We actually, if he was on here,
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  Speaker 1: we would say we believe you made a mistake, that
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  Speaker 1: you didn't handle the situation were But we like Dean,
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  Speaker 1: but we do have to criticize the situation. And it
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  Speaker 1: isn't fair at any time in your life to sleep
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  Speaker 1: with somebody and then move on, even if you move
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  Speaker 1: on from that situation. You have to handle that maturely.
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  Speaker 1: I believe personally, as a man, you need to confront
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  Speaker 1: the situation if you're going to end it and move forward.
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  Speaker 1: Is that true? Oh yeah, totally. I just think that. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So when he keeps asking Christina for patients, my interpretation
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  Speaker 1: of this now is like, hey, like you emotionally and
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  Speaker 1: mentally you're my girl for that, but like I kind
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  Speaker 1: of want to get my rocks off with Danielle and
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  Speaker 1: get her out of my system, because, as he admitted,
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  Speaker 1: that's more of like an attraction of physical attraction thing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, and unfortunately, and I think this is one
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  Speaker 1: of the other things that makes me very uncomfortable to
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  Speaker 1: watch during this This last episode was he's in a
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  Speaker 1: pool fifteen ft from Christine. I'm so confused. Was that
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  Speaker 1: an edit? No, that wasn't even an edit. It couldn't
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  Speaker 1: have been facing both. You could see the pool and
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  Speaker 1: the sea she was sitting on. I was gonna say,
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  Speaker 1: maybe they're on the other side of the pool, like
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  Speaker 1: where she couldn't see it because there's like a little bridge.
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  Speaker 1: But no, you're right, I mean, I don't understand what mind,
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  Speaker 1: Like how drunk. Are you to like not realize how
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  Speaker 1: hurtful that is. I don't think that being drunk is
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  Speaker 1: an excuse either. No, I don't know if it's ever
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  Speaker 1: an excuse. I don't think like that. I mean, so
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  Speaker 1: Christina's hurt, right, I mean, she's obviously hurt. She she
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  Speaker 1: has strong feelings for Dean. I think Dean did say
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  Speaker 1: it best. He said, you know, I think Christine, like
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  Speaker 1: Danielle's feelings for me, will never get to where Christina's
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  Speaker 1: feelings are for me. I mean, she cares a lot
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  Speaker 1: about him, and he knows that. So. Actually, just for
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  Speaker 1: our listeners and from a girl's perspective, because I think
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  Speaker 1: it is good to hear, how should Dean have handled this?
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  Speaker 1: Um if he finds himself Okay, say this is the
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  Speaker 1: situation that played out, he ends up sleeping with Christina. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: he makes that choice, and then he wakes up the
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  Speaker 1: next morning and he feels the the guilt or the
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  Speaker 1: regret or just the non interesting Christina anymore. Okay, you
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  Speaker 1: know that happens. We we hear stories about that happening.
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  Speaker 1: How should Dean have handled it? To be in the
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  Speaker 1: most mature way for us to forgive him, move forward,
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  Speaker 1: and still consider him the guy that we all believe
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  Speaker 1: he is. Well, I think they probably slept together during
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  Speaker 1: that week, you know, um where they were off camera.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't think that like everything would change with
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  Speaker 1: just them sleeping together that one night. Um. But if
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  Speaker 1: you're asking me, how do you just like break up
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  Speaker 1: with somebody and then in a in an arena where
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  Speaker 1: they're going to be seen, be seeing each other again?
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  Speaker 1: Is like that more of the question. I'm not even
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  Speaker 1: that I'm saying, Okay, put this in the real world, right. So,
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  Speaker 1: say you have somebody that you're interested in, you guys,
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  Speaker 1: you become physical, you become romantic with this person in
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  Speaker 1: whatever way you know, it doesn't have to just be sex.
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  Speaker 1: But then you find out I'm not that interested anymore.
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  Speaker 1: How can a good breakup? Like how? I have an
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  Speaker 1: answer to this. I have an answer, So the best
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  Speaker 1: is the best answer? Um. When Wells was on my
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  Speaker 1: other podcast a couple of weeks ago, he said he
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  Speaker 1: kind of figured out the best way to break up
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  Speaker 1: with somebody through a friend of his who breaks up
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  Speaker 1: with people by saying, UM, I like you, but you're
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  Speaker 1: I know you're not my forever person and right now
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking for my wife and I just don't think
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  Speaker 1: you're that. But I think you are beautiful and such
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  Speaker 1: a smart person, you know, great personality. So I think
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  Speaker 1: that it's actually super less offensive because that way I
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  Speaker 1: can take it less personally, and then it kind of
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  Speaker 1: switches it on you where you're like, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: I like this guy too, But is this my husband?
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  Speaker 1: Probably not. Yeah, it's interesting though, because I think about that,
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  Speaker 1: and it's fair. I mean, that's not lying. That's a
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  Speaker 1: very authentic way to explain how you know where your
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  Speaker 1: feelings are going. But I'm just putting myself now back
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  Speaker 1: into Christina's shoes, and I'm thinking, so, say he Dean
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  Speaker 1: does that right? He confront situation, explains himself and says,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm just not seeing this is my forever something.
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  Speaker 1: And then the next moment he's making out with Danielle
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  Speaker 1: in the pool. Does that make the situation worse or better? Now? Uh, well,
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  Speaker 1: it's always going to be worse to see the girl
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  Speaker 1: in him making out with another girl hours after breaking
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  Speaker 1: up with you. But when he says I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: find my forever something like yeah, and then I'd probably
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  Speaker 1: be like that girl, isn't your forever something either, that's
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  Speaker 1: your hook up girl. I don't know. I think then
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  Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh, well, Dean's probably just not here
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  Speaker 1: to find his forever wife anyway. You know, last week
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  Speaker 1: on on our podcast, we had a great segment that
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  Speaker 1: I really enjoyed talking about. Wait, Ben, you're right, I
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  Speaker 1: I I'm understanding what your argument is here. It's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: if he's telling Christina this and then goes and makes
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  Speaker 1: out with Danielle, how does make any sense? You know,
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  Speaker 1: that's still just as hurtful because it doesn't fix anything.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't fix anything in this situation. I don't think he
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  Speaker 1: could have won. I really don't think he could have
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  Speaker 1: won unless he told her, Hey, you're looking for something
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  Speaker 1: more seriously than I am right now. Yeah, well, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and you're right, I mean, I don't know if he
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  Speaker 1: can win in this situation. And last week, as I
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  Speaker 1: was saying, we had a great segment, and it was
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  Speaker 1: fun to talk to you about actually because you do
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  Speaker 1: have great perspective into this stuff, and and I always
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  Speaker 1: learned a lot about kind of the girl's perspective from
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  Speaker 1: when you're from what you're saying and we talked about
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  Speaker 1: how some people can get away with doing everything and
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  Speaker 1: some people can get away with doing nothing. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, for some people are so criticized like Dean
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  Speaker 1: was last week. We felt like, you know, Diggie or
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  Speaker 1: Diggity or whatever his name is doing the same thing
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  Speaker 1: that Dean was doing. And so we asked our listeners
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: to email us in and we've been scamming through and
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  Speaker 1: scanning through emails all week reeting these these responses, and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the responses were explaining the situation with
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  Speaker 1: Dean and Diggy differently by saying, you know, Dean's acting
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  Speaker 1: like he is boyfriend and girl from with these girls,
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  Speaker 1: and Diggie is kind of keeping a distance. He's being
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  Speaker 1: very clear on the fact that he just wants to
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  Speaker 1: get to know these girls. And so maybe Dean's biggest
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  Speaker 1: issue is that he is falling hard way too fast.
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  Speaker 1: Do you agree? Uh? I just think it was that
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  Speaker 1: they met on the first day and then they were
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  Speaker 1: given more time off camera. So I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: it's falling too fast. I think it's just a matter
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  Speaker 1: of like he was given so much more time with
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  Speaker 1: Christina than he normally would have been. Actually I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: have to disagree with you. I am, because there was
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  Speaker 1: a comment that was made this week as we were
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  Speaker 1: watching the episode from Dean to Danielle and and told
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  Speaker 1: Danielle the day after or that the day of you know,
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  Speaker 1: him and Christina waking up next to each other, and
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  Speaker 1: he said you were the type of girl I could
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  Speaker 1: fall in love with you. I know he's he's lying there.
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  Speaker 1: He does not mean that. I cannot believe those words
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  Speaker 1: came out. He's lying, you know, how can we Maybe
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  Speaker 1: he's falling too fast. Maybe we need to give him
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  Speaker 1: the benefit of the the doubt and say, being your biggest
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  Speaker 1: issue is that you're not putting a boundary, our guard
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  Speaker 1: rill up on your feelings, that you're just jumping in
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  Speaker 1: head first, that you're infatuated with these women and you're
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  Speaker 1: speaking from a place of infatuation and not wisdom. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: there you go. He is speaking from a place of infatuation,
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  Speaker 1: of lust, of lust. That's I mean. Yeah, So moving forward, Wait,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I want. I don't know if this
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  Speaker 1: is going to tie into this conversation, but it kind
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  Speaker 1: of does because you mentioned how Chris he admits that
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  Speaker 1: Danielle will never catch up to the feelings that Christina
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  Speaker 1: has for him. It was interesting because we saw a
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  Speaker 1: similar storyline with Raven, Sarah and Adam. Because Sarah's all in.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, I like you. I know, I'm not as
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  Speaker 1: much of a mystery. I know as I'm not as
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  Speaker 1: much of a chase, but I am here for you
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  Speaker 1: and I am invested. And she's like, you seem to
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  Speaker 1: be more drawn to Raven just because she's not so
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  Speaker 1: easy to get. Um? Right, So is is it also
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  Speaker 1: a chase with Danielle and Indean and guys just love
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  Speaker 1: the chase? Like? Do you have to play hard to
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  Speaker 1: get and never be open with your feelings right off
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  Speaker 1: the bat? Um? You know? I think the mystery is
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  Speaker 1: always something that's attractive to both sexes. I think mystery
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  Speaker 1: is always intriguing. Um. My, My answer would be because
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  Speaker 1: I have been in a very serious relationship and I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if I learned this until that relationship is
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  Speaker 1: at some point you you have to make the choice
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  Speaker 1: to give up the chase. Um, good relationships are I
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: guess lasting relationships aren't always easy. They're hard and and
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  Speaker 1: the chase and the mystery, it doesn't have to go
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  Speaker 1: completely out of it, but it does kind of get
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  Speaker 1: taken away because you become partners. And so the thing
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  Speaker 1: that you know you have to do as you entern
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  Speaker 1: into committed relationship is choose to give up the chase.
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  Speaker 1: And if you don't give up the chase, you're always
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  Speaker 1: going to be looking around to see what the next
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  Speaker 1: best option is, what the new shiny thing is, and
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  Speaker 1: that will always ruin you. It always ruin the relationship.
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  Speaker 1: Your heart will never be content. But one of those
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  Speaker 1: beautiful things in a committed relationship, which I believe that
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  Speaker 1: Dean and Christina we're acting as if they're in a
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  Speaker 1: committed relationship, is that you now have a partner that
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  Speaker 1: supports you and that you don't have to longer have
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  Speaker 1: to worry about being um mysterious, that you can be
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  Speaker 1: confident in who you are because you know that person
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  Speaker 1: is always gonna have your back. I don't think either
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  Speaker 1: of them completely gave themselves that. I think that I
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  Speaker 1: used to be a way better at the chase. But
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  Speaker 1: also also that being said, I'm really good at playing
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  Speaker 1: hard to get when I don't like the guy, Like
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  Speaker 1: there's this guy texting me like as we speak, and
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  Speaker 1: the first date was completely chemistry list like just lacking
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  Speaker 1: just force and horrible. But of course because I was
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: like okayme bye. Um, he's been like texting me to
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  Speaker 1: meet up again for like the past month. I'm like, dude,
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  Speaker 1: Like we couldn't even talk for an hour. Um okay anyway,
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  Speaker 1: so back to the chase. Um. I think this show
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  Speaker 1: like getting the rose because they're like be open, be open,
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  Speaker 1: like tell them how you're feeling, and then you do it.
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  Speaker 1: And then because you need the rose and you need
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: to be like in some sort of committed relationship. But
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: then how do you I don't know, I don't know right, No,
• 14:20
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  Speaker 1: one of our most famous segments today called wait, who
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: the heck are you? Tickle Monster. I've been wanting to
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: talk to you so much because you creep me out
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: and I don't know how. I don't even know your
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: first name. Please, what's your first name? Hey, it's how
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: that's good man. Hey, I'm kind of kidding about you
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: creep me out. Um, I'm gonna give you a second
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: here to explain yourself a little bit so that because
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm looking at your resume right now. You're
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: a doctor. You're a real doctor, correct kind of doctor,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: family medicine. Let's see, I work in a clinic. I
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: see all it just from new born babies until elderly. Okay, well,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: I mean so, so you've got a great career. But
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: but but but did you feel like the girls in
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Paradise were really interested in you because of your career
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: because every girl wants to marry a doctor. Um, I
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I mean I kind of got mixed,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: mixed opinions from them. So I I try not to
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: try to be aware that that's the possibility, but try
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: not to think that that's what everyone's after. It's definitely
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: not hurting you. I'm telling you that I would love
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: to be a doctor. I just don't have the brains
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: for it. So I talked on a podcast. Now. Uh so, Jonathan,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: you're known as the tickle Monster. As I said before,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of kiddy about you creep me out, But
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: I hear great things. I hear you're you're a super
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: nice dude, that you're one of the most You're one
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: of the nicest guys that anybody's ever met. You're smart.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Uh the Ladies last night on the Ladies this week,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: the episode, we're saying, you know how good looking you were,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: how sweet you were, Please explain to me where in
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: the heck to tickle monster thing came from? Because I
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: need I need something, so I so I feel a
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: little bit less scared over the little weird out. You
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: feel a little bit um better for my patients that
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: they shouldn't be worried about me tickling while I'm trying
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: to examine them. Yes, exactly. You know, it all started
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: with just just like an idea. I was trying to think,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: you know, how can I make a good impression for Rachel?
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: And I knew human just wanted to meet someone that
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: would make her laugh. And I was like, what's the
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: easiest way to make someone laugh? You know, you tickle them.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: It's so simple that no one's ever even thought to
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: do it. So I just kind of went out there
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm gonna kind of distract her
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: a little bit and do something that tickler, and um,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: you know, luckily she laughed. I was thinking my head,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: what am I going to do if she doesn't laugh?
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I probably was just going to get back in the
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: limo and drive away. You told me something funny that, um,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: you get random strangers asking you to tickle them, and
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: when they're below the age of eighteen, you feel kind
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: of creepy. Yeah, that's weird, you know, I think I
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: don't know about weird, but it's just kind of awkward,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: you know, when people ask you to tickle them. I mean,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: it's one thing if I'm with my family and my
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: niece to the nephews, you know, you're playing games whatever tickling,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: But the total strangers I usually kind of I kind
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: of draw the line between like family and and and
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: just total strangers tickling and and yeah, I do. I
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: get people all the time. Random d ms on Instagram
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: askin I'm ticklish, you can tickle me? Can you guess where?
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty pretty insane. But yeah, then I
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: got in the house and people just started calling me,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: you know, oh my gosh, you tickled her. And they
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: started to call me tickle. And then one thing left
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: to another and next thing. I don't know. I'm a
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: tickle monster from Florida, So you know, I'm pretty goofy guy.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty laid back and pretty lighthearted. So I just
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: fully embraced it. Why not. I mean, it just shows
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: you that the decisions you make, even and even the
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: smallest ones, will affect the rest of your life. And
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: and tickle monster. I have a feel laying that for
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: the rest of your life, your fingers will be in
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: somebody's side, and that that's something that makes me very uncomfortable.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about Christine. So here's yeah, I mean, so,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: here's half my problem, Jonathan is Um, I am so
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: ticklish that I have friends in college that used to
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: sneak up behind me and tickle me because I give
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: out this very high pitched squealish scream. Um. I think
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: that's why if I'm why I'm watching you tickle people.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: It makes me so uncomfortable because I can imagine being
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: in that same situation as Rachel and the ladies in Paradise,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: um and screaming and kind of showing the world for
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: the first time my laugh that has been kept quiet
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: for a long long time. It's like a christ Souls
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: dolphin laughing. No, it's more of like a oh my god,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I've never been so terribles I am. Actually I have
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: to make it like creepy. And I've encountered a two
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: people and I'll say that joking. Really, I'm like, are
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: you ticklish? You know? And and they're like, actually, one
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: time someone held me down and like tickled me until
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: I'll beat my pants or I'm like, okay, we're going
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: to Oh well, this should be the time to tell
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: you that if you did tickle me, I would probably
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: fart and then pee my pants. I will, I will
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: always be and then like if I fart, then I'm
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: laughing in addition to it, so because it's all a
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: funny situation, and then I'll pee because I'm laughing so hard. Actually,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I just thought i'd be super honest because, like, I
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: know people are gonna like to hear that, because it's
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: true honesty, right there. I agree you. I like your transparency. Actually,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I just I know you don't like the imagery. But no,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: you're the best. Um, all right, so tickle monster, be
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: honest with me, all right. Have you, at any moment
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: do you feel like landed um somebody of the opposite
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: sex because of your tickling habits like a post show.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Have you ever been asked to tickle somebody and later
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: that night ended up kissing them because of my like
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: how good I am at tickling, or just because of
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: being the tickle monster both? Um? I think yeah, definitely.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: There's been a few people who are based on being
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: the tickle monster and being on the show. Definitely have,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: you know, just kind of, like you say, people after
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: you just because of the doctor thing. And obviously I've
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: had people come up to me just because of being
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: on the show and being Sickle Monster. But I haven't
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: like converted anyone that's like, oh, I'm not really sure
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: about this tickling thing, and then I tickled them and
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, I don't know now I kind of
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: like this. So you're saying I've converted to tickling. Yet
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: you're saying that there are Tickle Monster groupies out there
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: for sure. I mean, and I get a lot of hate.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Are you taking advantage of the groupies? I wouldn't say
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: taking advantage of it. I'm embracing and I'm I know
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: means like manipulating anyone or taking advantage of anyone or
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: using it to my advantage. Alright, I don't think you
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: would be. It doesn't really seem like you and watching
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: last nights watching this week's episode, it was really clear
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: that people really enjoy you from the franchise that have
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: met you and been around you in person. Uh, to
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: get to the show a little bit, because you know,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I could go on and on about this this weird
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: fetish with tickling, but we gotta move on. Okay, it's
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: a habit. Um, so the habit of tickling. You show
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: up to Paradise late. Is it weird to kind of
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: enter into Paradise super late in the process. Yeah, it's
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: a it's a little it's a little different. I mean,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: you you're definitely coming up with the card stacked against you,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: you know, but I'll feel battle. You've got a lot
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: of work to do. It's it's not like you've just
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: got an open table. I mean, I have a date car,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: but still, um, you know, at this point in the game,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: a lot of people are starting to have relationships and
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: had already kind of made connections, So you gonna have
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: to really find something one that was really wanting you,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: or you know, just kind of look for someone who
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: hasn't found someone already. I mean, and then we're gonna
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: do we don't like the character bash on this episode
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: or on this podcast. It's not it's not our game.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: So I really don't want this to happen here. But
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: what's your thoughts on Jack Stone? I was mad at
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: him last night. I mean, you go on this great day,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: you seem like a great guy. Um, this girl's into you.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: You come back and within five minutes, you know, jack
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Stone is pulling her aside and then kissing her in
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: front of you. I'm not a fan of it. I
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: was upset with him. I was I was on team Tickle.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Please explain your thoughts on jack Stone right now. Jack
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Stone and I are like best friends, which is what
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: makes the whole thing like so awkward. It's like we're
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: practically like roommates um finding over the same girl and paradise,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: and so, you know, I think we kind of had
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: the same idea. You watch jack and he sees me
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: and he's like, what's the christ Jonathan doing this my girl?
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: And then on a come back and I'm like, what
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: jack doing kiss to my girl? So you know, we definitely,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: you know, create a little controversy there. But but I
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: do like jack Stone. We're pretty pretty close. Well, I'm
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: not a I'm not a Jackstone fan right now. I'm
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: on your team. Until he handles the situation better, I'm
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: not gonna not gonna support it. Maybe do it. I
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: think we can roll our last question for Tickle Monster
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: into our next segment. Did the fact that Kristen Kristen
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: right it's spelled Christine, but we'll go with Kristen. She
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: it's Kristen, right, Kristen? All right? Um, she thinks that
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: she's the virgin in Paradise, like l L you guys,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: that's my title. She could try, but um, how did
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: you feel about going on a date with a virgin?
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Is that turn off or turn on? No? I had
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: no no idea going on going into it. And then
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: I don't even remember how that came up. It was
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: like later or whatever I'm thing, and someone's like, do
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: you want to date with the perchin? And I was
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: like what I mean? It by no means changed my
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: impression of her change nothing, But um, I was just
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: I had no idea. So everything you saw me doing, everything,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: the way I acted was just totally, um, non judgmental
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: at all. Yeah, I mean, um, do you feel like,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: you know, Tickle, I want to hear your thoughts here.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like Jasmine was extra mean during this
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: these couple of days a year in Paradise? She said,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: no one wants to hang out with a virgin. Pina Colada,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I was personally victimized. Um. I think Jasmine is a
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: very outspoken woman and when she thinks something. She doesn't
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: even think about it. She just says that. She says
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: what's on her mind, what's on her heart, and sometimes
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: that's not what people want to hear. So I think
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: I think Jasmin was Jasmine. I uh, you know, I don't.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: And we'll roll this into the next segment here because
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I think it's a topic we need to talk about.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: But um, I don't really appreciate Jasmine's reaction to things
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: where she quickly pushes people away. In fact, she made
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: the comment last night at some point like all right, done, cook, bake,
• 27:14
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• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Uh you're you're tickling did creep me out? But you're
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: not a creepy man. I hope to meet you one day. Uh.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Continue doing great things um in the area of this
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: in Thank you for talking to us. We appreciate you.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: There you go. Alright, guys, let's get to the callers.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: We asked them about their thoughts on Jasmine, whether she
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: was too mean to Kristen. Do you means Matt. Let's
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: see what they gotta say. First, We're going to Caitlin
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania. Hey, Caitlin, Hey, how are you? Hey? Good?
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: How are you? I'm great? What do you think about Jasmine? Okay,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Honestly, I think she's a little harsh
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: um the whole Kristen saying. I think the she came
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: on to Kristen way like too strong, Like I feel
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: like she already had a bad taste in her mouth,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: and it's like, honestly, it's not like her and Kristen
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: we're friends prior to the show. So the fact that
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Kristin wanted to take Mad on a date, I feel
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: like she should have been more mad at Matt rather
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: than like making Kristen feel like terrible about herself. That's
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: a really good point. Did did Jasmine mentioned into Christen
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: at all um during that break that she was into Matt?
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I forget? I feel like this rings a bell. Well,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, when Kristen came in jasm and was like, yeah,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: so mass off the hook, like he's not available. But
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: then Kristen took Mad aside and she asked him and
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: he said, oh, she said I wasn't available, Like that's
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: not true. I'm still like looking to date. Yeah, well
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: that's all Mad. Then you know Jasmine can't get annoyed
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: at her for it. Yeah, there's also like you didn't
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: really established, like they weren't actually in a relationship like
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Taylor and Derek are. So this whole thing confused me.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: I mean I almost called Ashley last night, Caitlin, because
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I'm not understanding this whole Bachelor in Paradise deal, right,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're dating so many people, and there's so
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: many options, there's new people coming in every day. Like, where,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: how do you define the relationship in paradise, Caitlin. I
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: want to hear your thoughts first on how you define
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: the relationship when you're in paradise, and then I guess
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Ashley can be our expertum giving us this advice. I
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: don't know, honestly, I'm with you then, like it all
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: kind of confuses me. I actually I was gone last
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: night at the concert, so I just watched the DVR
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: of last night, so it's like fresh in my head.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: But um, I don't know. I think the whole thing
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: is weird because you go in and like, you know,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: everyone's gonna be dating everyone, and it's not like I mean, yeah,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: there are some sailors relationships that come out of it,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: but I feel like you have to kind of go
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: into it with an open mind, like kind of expecting anything. Actually,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: we got to hear your thoughts. You're the expert here. Yeah,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: I want to hear you. I think when it comes
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: to defining the relationship in Paradise, it's very similar to
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: how it is in the in the real world. I
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: think that you probably tell each other like, hey, I'm
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: not going to be dating anyone else, and they're like,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: oh great, because I'm not interested in that either. That's
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: just how it goes. And if you don't have that conversation,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure everybody's free reign right eight. And I
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: think where Jasm and that kind of where at fault
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: because they didn't really have that disgustion where it was
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: like I think Jasmine went into thinking, Okay, it's just
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Matt and me, but like Matt never said that she
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: was he was only going to date Jasmin. You know,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I guess it's gonna be mutual. I have you know. Yeah,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: as much as I would have liked to, as I
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: said on the show, once claim my stake, you can't
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: do it unless the other person's all into you know,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Caitlin before we move on, because we're gonna have to
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: take some other callers here. But I think you seem
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: to have a pretty good perspective on this, and Ashley
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: definitely does. I've got to hear talk about it for
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: the last many weeks. Um. One thing that really frustrates
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: me and this whole thing around Jasmine, right, was she
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: too mean or two nice? I think she was too mean.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: She cut people off too quickly. I think she she
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: discounted people, which I don't appreciate. But then she did
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: something that I don't know if most people kind of
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: catch onto, but it really frustrates me, and I want
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: to hear if I'm just crazy, or if I'm complete
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: pletely alone, or if everybody agrees with me. And it's
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: this idea that once Matt left, then she makes the
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: comment I'm just trying to get the rose, which kind
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: of makes me cringe every time I hear anyway because
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: it's it just doesn't have a lot of significance in life.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: But it is almost this manipulation process where you're you're
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: trying to attack the weakest person out there, the one
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: person that's loneliest, and make them like you at least
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: for that moment, so that they feel like they have
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: a chance and they want to give you a rose.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: If that makes me mad, like in those moments, everybody
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: should be getting mad at those people. Yeah, I agree
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: with that. This season seems to be all about getting
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: the rose when there's really no connections being made. And
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: then I think when Matt swoop in, like he left
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: and then Dad's Jason was like, I'm not getting the
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: rose now, and then he came back to give dads
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: in that rose. I thought that was a super kind gesture,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: and Jasmine kinda was just she was still set with him,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: but like he went to extra mile to come in
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: and save her so that she had a chance with
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: somebody else. I he just wouldn't give him the benefit. Yeah,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: that was lame. The way she acted. I thought she
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: was going to be I thought she was gonna be
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: very grateful and relieved at that moment, But she wasn't yeah,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: because everyone was like spooning and then she just wasn't
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: having it. Um, you know, so ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. It
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: makes me fired up. So with that caitle, we're going
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: to send you off to go punch a wall. All right,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: I'll go. Thanks for joining us, Thank you. We're going
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: to move on to Tweety in Florida, who has the
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: opposite opinion. She thinks Jasmine's being too nice. Hey lady,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: how you doing. I'm doing well. How are you good?
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Why do you think she's being too nice? Because I
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: feel like Kristin definitely did it on purpose. I don't.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: She kind of was acting like she was alright, alright,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: I kind of agree with you there. I actually feel
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: like Kristen just went in with a plan to make
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: out and be with anybody who would bring her along
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: in the process. I don't think she really had any
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: feelings for Matt. Yeah, I agree, she was just sabotaging. Possibly.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: It's so interesting that you guys feel this way, because
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: I just didn't. I really watched the whole episode thinking,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe Jasmine maybe mean isn't the word you
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: want to say. She was too traumatic? Extra, Yes, Yeah,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: that maybe maybe too protective of of Matt. I mean,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: I just felt like he did give her signs. He
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: was very clear in his feelings. She could tell that
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: he was kind of pulling away, and she as she
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: kept pursuing, she just made it harder on him to
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: be with anybody. So he finally just had to choose
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: to to go out and date somebody that I don't
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: even know if they were that into each other. Yeah.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: I don't think that Matt's really into anyone, hence why
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: he left. Right. That's a good point. So you both
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: watched last night's episode. You're thinking Jasmine was com completely
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: fine in her actions, there was nothing wrong with it,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: and and everybody else was overacting. Yeah I do. Yeah,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: I think she kept it. Yeah, tweety real? Have you
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: on the line. I have a question. Were you extremely
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: thrown off by when Derek said f you too? Oh
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: my gosh? Overlooked that properly. That showed a dark side,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: and I would not have accepted his apology in that
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: moment because his apology didn't seem too genuine. Ben. Did
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: you pick up on this? Yeah? I do. I mean
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: you go ahead, so sorry? I um, I personally thought
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: maybe she should have just taken his rose and been like,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: I'm done with you. Not a bad idea, Ben, Yeah,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: I mean I think maybe last night was one of
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: the first times that I just felt like a lot
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: of things were going on that we're not authentic and genuine.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, does that make sense? Like I just felt
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: like a lot of last night's episode I was watching
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: just kind of not being sold on the fact that
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: people are really out to pursue relationships and they're more
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: just out to either protect themselves or to keep their
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: eyes open for whatever. And walked down the stairs next. Honestly,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: I think this season of Paradise has been entertaining. Um
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: but but loveless, you know the one. Here's here's the
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: topic we should talk about before we let you go here?
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: And I have this down in my notes, and I
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: was just scanning through my notes to see what else
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: I want to talk about on this podcast. But I'm
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: getting a feeling that the Amanda and Robbie situation is
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: similar to the Evan and Carly situation. Am I wrong
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: in this feeling? No, I'm kind of feeling my heart
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: towards these people. Okay, So what's interesting about Robbie and
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Amanda is that they've both come from prior season, so
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: they've been around this a little bit more. It may
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: not be as like a sparkly, shiny new process for them.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: They've like had the fame of it all has sunk
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: in a little bit, so now they're like just kind
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: of confiding each other there because they're on a different level,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Like they're not really in it. I don't really think
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: they're in it just for the fame. I think that
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: they actually want to find somebody. Yeah. I mean, Amanda
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: hasn't talked more than a few words all season, which
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: I actually find um encouraging because I think she's keeping
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: below the radar to possibly find somebody. She's not out
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: to make a name for herself anymore, right, Right, I
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: definitely agree. I think that she's really in it for
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: love and she doesn't want to move. I believe what
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: she says when she says she doesn't want to move
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: too fast, and she I think she's in it for
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: the right reason. Yeah, Amanda and Robbie are seeming like
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: to be the most genuine of this bunch. But hey, Ben,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: you just kind of like breezed over that Derek thing. Well, well, honestly, um,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I kind of have opinions on that that I don't
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: think will be the most popular. Well why not. I
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: don't know why you think it was not a good deal. No,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: I think it's a huge I felt like, in a sense,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: he was getting bullied into a situation. Does that make sense?
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Am I wrong in that? I mean, I think I
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: was seeing aside it's Taylor correct. So I seeing inside
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: of Taylor that we saw on The Bachelor condescending a therapist,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, And I mean I think she's using
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: that therapist card to kind of say I know how
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: to handle this and you don't, and as a result,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: you need to just follow my footsteps. And I don't
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: think that's fair to him. And so I watched it
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: and I'm not I mean, I've I've loved watching Taylor
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: this season. It's been a completely different person than what
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: we saw in The Bachelor until now. And I listened
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: to this conversation. I felt bad for him because he
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: couldn't process through his feelings, like it takes a while
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: to come to the right answer. Reaction is never the
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: right um thing in situations of arguments or disagreements, and
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: he so he didn't want to react, he was taking
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: his time and and well, and then I felt like
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: he was belittled for it. And I don't appreciate that
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: in a relationship. It not that's not a healthy habit,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I guess. And so that's my notes from last night.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna really talk about it because I don't.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: I guess. I'm still trying to process how I felt
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: about that conversation. But it was just that it was
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: just that one phrase, the way you said it. Yeah,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: I feel like when you're in a relationship, that's not
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: the best. Yeah, yeah, what exactly was the phrase? I'm sorry,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: I'm totally spacing on this. I don't have in my notes.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: You don't remember when he's can you believe it? When
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: he suddenly he was like, no, I don't remember that.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Definitely missed it then, because this is not a Ben
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Higgins approved line. No, no, that's not fair. No, not
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: fair at all. Um, not good. Wish we would have
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: talked about it last week he was on the podcast. Um,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: you know, I was cooking dinner while this is going on,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: So I must have missed it. My bad. Are you
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: cooking your blue apron? That's cooking my blue apron Um. No,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: but I still I guess even with that being said,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: I kind of still stick to my opinion on their
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: follow up conversation was there was little belittle belittling. I
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: felt he was a little bullied into it. But yes,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: he should definitely have apologized and felt terrible about that
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: comment to her. That's not That's not the right way
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: to talk to anybody, woman or man, in any relationship.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: While I found myself to like Taylor more this season
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: and I think she's beautiful, um, I still would not
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: want her to be my therapist. I find her to
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: be like the worst person to talk to you about feelings. Yeah,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: I mean I don't I don't know if we could
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: we could even remember one moment in her career on
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: The Bachelor that we felt like she's handled a situation well,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: especially warmally normally yeah just said warmly, warmly. Yeah, Yeah,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: you're right. I mean I wonder why that is. But
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: I mean I want to see them. I want to
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: see them survive. Because when we talked to him last week,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: actually he really did kind of have that. I felt
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: like he had the feeling um in his voice when
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: he talked about Taylor that things were still going very well. Yeah. Yeah,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: I think they probably are doing well, but we'll see. Okay,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: we gotta move on though. We have way more Jasmine
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: to talk about. Are you are you ready? Well? Thank
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: you tweety for staying on the line with us for
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: so long and giving us so many opinions. Right now
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: we have to move on to Marie and Emma. Marie
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: and hey, guys, how are you're You're in Vancouver home
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: of Caitlin Bristow. Yeah, all right? What do you think
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: about Jasmine? Um? We thought she came out a little strong,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: but it made for good to me, Like I was
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: waiting for her to put either christ And or Matt
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: in a chokey personally. But where did the word chokey
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: com from next season? Did you watch that? No? I'm
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: telling you, Ben, um Ben to inform you Jasmine was
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: known for the chokey on her season because she sometimes
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: likes to give guys a little choke when she's frustrated
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: with them, don't we All Yeah, she really restrained herself,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: but she did jump on him, She stridled him, and
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: she made out with him right as he got home
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: from that date with Kristen, What did you guys think
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: about that? We didn't really feel like Matt was that
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: into her or else. I don't think he would have
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: said yes the other date, Like we understand that that's
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: the premise of the show, but I don't know. He
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: just didn't seen that into it. And then he died
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: to go home and as he kind of threw his
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: hand from I think she needs to read that book.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: He's just not that into you. Yeah, it's also a movie.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: You still watch it? Yeah, I've seen it. Just because
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: I've seen it doesn't mean I take its advice, but
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I'm aware never never exactly. Um, can we backcheck a second?
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: So who exactly were we talking to? Are you sisters?
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Best friends? Like? Who? What's good? I was gonna say,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: you're giggling and laughing and like completing each other's sentences.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: This is one of the cutest things I've heard time.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: We spend a lot of times ago. Yeah, we're best
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: friend So I'm like Ashley and I complete sentences. Actually
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: nice special. Who would you guys want to date in
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: this motley group of bachelor's? Oh my god, none, they're
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: all done. Are actually all does? And I don't know
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: who they're going to pick for the next Bachelor, But
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: we think it should be Chris Harris. Honestly, Chris Harrison
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: for next Bachelor. Chris Harrison has a lot of following,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: He's a lot of backing on this, I know, and
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: you should host the show. I think Ben and I
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: would be the best host for a Bachelor for Chris
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Harrison Bachelor season. Yeah. I think it's a great. One
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: day when the show really jumps its final shark, that'll
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: be That will be what happens. Yeah, well they've maybe
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: season fifty. Yeah, okay, you know you know the show
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: is is hitting its final legs when they ask Ashley
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: and I to host a Chris Harrison, there's no more
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: going down. That's rock bottom. Before are you girls leave?
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: What were you saying? I think that's hitting its peak.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: The show is not hitting rock bottom. Will not happen? Yeah, yeah,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: we need a fresh start somehow. Anyway, you guys before
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: you leave, I want to go back to that question,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: so you guys wouldn't want to You wouldn't dat any
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: of these guys because you think they're total duds. And
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: I have to agree. I think this would be like
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: the first tearless, Ashley, I season had I been on Paradise.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I don't think any of these guys are worth my tears. Yeah,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: I agree with that. Honestly, we missed you on the show.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: That's very sweet. Thank you. I count my lucky stars.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: I'm not on this season. I would be Alexis. I'd
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: be like peasing out, not faking any relationship to stay around.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: These guys are not worthy of me. But awesome. Yeah,
• 46:46
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• 46:55
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• 49:21
  Speaker 1: like this week's episode of Bachelor in Paradise Not didn't
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: exactly bring us the content to talk for long lengths
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: of time in this podcast, but the underlying tones of
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: the episode and Karin's interview gave us some big topics
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: to talk about. So to close out the podcast today,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: we're gonna run a little longer. I hope our listeners
• 49:40
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• 49:43
  Speaker 1: We're gonna talk Karim, and we're gonna talk er in
• 49:46
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• 49:48
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• 49:50
  Speaker 1: our caller uh to the topic of virgin shaming. Um.
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  Speaker 1: We we've talked about virginity before on this part cast
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: because my co host has stayed true to her morals
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: and values and decided to stay a virgin up until
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: this point. And that's not exactly We don't want to
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: make this personal. We want to talk about is why
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: are people shaming others for the virginity? That is a
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: topic I'm passionate about. I know Ashley's passing about it.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Sound okay with me? Um, But before we do that,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: another really big, um, kind of fiery conversation was the
• 50:26
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• 50:29
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• 50:36
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• 50:39
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  Speaker 1: How are you guys? Good? How are you? We want
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: to talk a little, Karan, are you down? Yeah? I'd
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: but I mean I thought sorry I thought it was
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: interesting hearing our talk at least space of the first
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: time in public about what had happened. Um. Up until
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: that point, I had only seen like the legal statements
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But UM, for the most part,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: I thought she was pretty genuine. I definitely felt for
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: her in every aspect. Uh Like, when I compared though
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: to when Domorio was speaking, I thought, I don't know,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: if like he like rehearsed it more, if it was
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: like more genuine, I don't know. I don't I've never
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: been a situation, so I can't like judge, but he
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: seemed to me a little more genuine. I don't know,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: what do you guys think about that. I think they
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: both genuinely think that it's a horrible situation that they
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: wish never happened. I feel like Karin was very genuine
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: last night, and UM just being apologetic towards everybody it affected,
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: including tomorrow. I think she feels horrible about the kind
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: of light that the controversy has put him in. Um.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: She clarified that she was victim. She she wasn't. She
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: felt a victim to the media, not actually a sexual
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: assault victim. Yeah, I definitely got the vibe that she
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: really wanted to clarify that that's what she meant by it. Yeah,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: I can express I'm going to express the thought here
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: on that I don't want you to to kind of
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: talk about it. I wish she would have if that's
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: how she feels, which I don't know. I mean, I'm
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: not saying she does or does not. I wish you
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: would have clarified that. Then once that comment got released
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: and she saw the kind of rabbit hole it was
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: taking everybody down, Um, she should have came out and
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: said I not a victim to tomorrow. You think she
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: should have said it before yesterday. Yeah, I mean we've
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: we've waited months for this, and and as a result,
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: there's been a lot of accusations made and and and
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: and things have gone gone awry. Then if that's how
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: she felt she should have clarified earlier. I think that, Um,
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: she's especially aptially. Oh no, you're breaking up. Oh sorry,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: I was just saying, sorry, my connection is back. I
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: was just saying that, considering the legal and like the
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: social support that she had, whether it be from like
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: the Bachelor Um family or her her own family, or
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: just fans in general, I think that she, by all
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: means had like the power to come up again and
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: clarify statement. Yeah again, we I guess we won't know
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: unless we're in that position. But um, I'm glad that
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: both of them decided to talk. I think that was
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: that showed a lot of character on their part to
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: come out confront the situation, UM and speak openly about it,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: because you know, rumors spread, Like I said earlier, accusations
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: are made. UM. At least now we've heard from both parties.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: And and I thought last night Karin, in my opinion,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: the whole time, I felt like she was genuine. I
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: felt like she was authentic. I think she's both verge
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: of tears the entire time. Yeah, I got put into
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: a situation where they were, um, they weren't a spect
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: to get it to. The One thing, UM that I
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: will say with both parties is you can just tell
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: they were ready for it to be done, Like they're
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: talking about it and it's almost just like, yeah, I'm emotional.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah this has been terrible. It's a terrible, but I
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: just want to be done with it. And I think
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: that's kind of the feeling I got from Karn last night. Yeah,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: I agree There's one thing that I don't really believe
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: in what Karin said, and that is she's definitely warned
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: of the side effects of her medication, especially about drinking
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: on them. Um. She can say that she forgot or
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: was never told, but you know, when you get the prescription,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: you're told. I'm on a prescription that I'm not allowed
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: to drink on you know whatever. Iman, I get allowed
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: to get sloppy on, and I was on it on
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: the show, and I was warned manything, just like, but
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: you have to clarify, like, I'm on one that you
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: can't drink I mean you can't get sloppy on. Well
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: you can't. Well they tell They would tell me, you know,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: you can't drink on it, and I'd be like, yeah,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: I mean I won't. I won't go party hard on it. Um.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: You're warned, you're warned, you know, you're discouraged against it. Um.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: Quick question. Did you guys have any inkling that she
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: was on medication while also consuming alcohol in Paradise or
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: you guys that was the first time you guys have
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: heard that I was. I had an inkling. Oh, okay,
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: we've you know, we we had when when we were
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: doing like our conversations about the Bachelor in Paradise controversy. Uh,
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: you know, we did have a lot of callers and
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: people that we're on the show within the show calling
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: in and talking to us, and that was always something
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: that was kind of either brought up as more inquisitive
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: like I wonder if or saying, yeah, I know, she's
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: on medication. I wonder if that's what she took and
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: then started drinking. So we never knew for certain, but
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: we had this idea of something else was going on
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: here because she was correct when she said that the
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: side effects of drinking on medication like that it will
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: black you out, but you'll pere lucid or as as
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: Chris Harrison said, normal Karan, which is probably like wild
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: but also like conscious. M hmm yeah. So now and
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: everything well yeah again, I mean, how crazy is it
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: that we're kind of wrapping up this huge controversy or
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: and and very large conversation that I hope has opened
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: the doors for people to talk more openly about situations
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: like this, right, we know, we never want this to
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: have to be hidden or people to feel shameful for
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: for feelings certain ways, or if Karrent did feel like
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: a victim. We want her to be able to express
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: that so that people can come around her and love
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: her well. But how crazy is that The Bachelor in
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Paradise that we're now watching started with a controversy that
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: that literally shook the United States. I mean, it was
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: all over everything for so long, and now it's finally
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: kind of coming to an end. The Bachelor in Paradise scandal.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: Can't come to the phone right now because sad, And
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: it's just crazy that what was that time? I'll go back?
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: What was that? A Taylor friend to friends? Oh, I
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: didn't know. I had to add a little pop culture
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: reference to make this podcast as relevant as possible. Oh hey, well,
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: thank you for for calling in and talking king with us.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: No worries, I love you. Guys. Have listen every week,
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: so keep keeping up to listen to this podcast because
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: this week's podcast surprise surprise, you're on it. Ye oh nice,
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: it's nice. Nice. We'll take care guys. Thanks. Thanks all right, Ashley,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: let's transition here, um into a conversation that was that
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: was kind of brought up last night as you and
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: I were talking and then as we watched um Bachelor
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: in Paradise. Um, We've had some people right into us
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: right um, kind of asking the question of what's going
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: on with the virgin shaming. We don't seem to shame
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: people for their actions. Their anti virgin um, which we
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: shouldn't shame is never a pop, should never be done.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: But last night, and it kind of feels like this
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: weird element of throughout the Bachelor franchise is being a
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: virgin is always such a surprise, and then it also
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: is used as for the first time last night. And
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: I'll talk more about this once I hear your thoughts.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: It was used as a manipulation tactic. Yeah, it definitely
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: it's it was used last night to bring another girl down,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: to make her seem less worthy of love and attention
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: from men. We got an email from Laura and she
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: says it seems like anytime there's a version on any
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: Bachelor franchise show, they're constantly publicly criticized for that personal choice.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: Recent examples when Ashley was on Bachelor in Paradise, one
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: of the girls scoffed the camera by saying, what man
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: would want to take somebody's virginity? That's just about x um. Yes,
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: I remember being I remember watching that and feeling kind
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: of crappy, but I also knew that. Well never mind.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: And now Jasmine's comments about it being ridiculous that a
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: man would choose Kristen because quote no one wants a
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: virgin peanut Colada, and he's implying that if he was
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: looking for a wife, he would never want that. Why
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: is it that sledge shaming is considered wrong, but virgin
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: shaming is fine. This is a great topic. That is,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: it's legit shaming. Like a lot of people tell me,
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: like whether it's to my face or behind my back,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: that no guy is gonna be interested in me these
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: days because I'm twenty nine year old virgin, Like guys
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: don't want to quote deal with that at that age.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: And there is some matchmaker out there who was always
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: talking about how I just need to get it over
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: with and that nobody wants nobody wants someone like me
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: right now. And I'm like, great, thank you for making
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: me feel super good a up my moral choice. Yeah,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: you know you've been nothing but great and honest and
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: open through this podcast with kind of your situation. And
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: I know you know Becca has joined us earlier, and
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: she kind of has a very similar sort of yours.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: You share your story openly, which I appreciate, um, but
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: for for the sake of this conversation, actually, I want
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: to I think it'd be interesting if you kind of
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: took yourself out of that, you know, if you if
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: you pictured yourself, if you just didn't have this personal
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: opinion at it. And we looked at the situation in general,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: and we said, uh, kind of like we talked about
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, how difficult is it, do you
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: think emotionally for somebody to kind of carry um, to
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: feel shameful for the action like that, to have to
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: close that hide that in. I mean, Jasmine made those
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: comments and and it's almost like if you are if
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: you are a virgin, you are less than I am,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: and and what you can bring to a man. And
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: I just I cringe at that because it's so untrue
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: and so false. But it was how I felt after
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: those comments were made last night. Yeah, I mean, I
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: don't know what else to say, but that's exactly how
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: she intended for that to come across, Like why would
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: he want anything to do with you if you can't
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: give him that I want to Then there was an
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: interesting moment with Kristen last night though she was talking
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: to Uh, was it was it Daniel? No, who was
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: it Daniel? Oh? Yeah, Daniel is like a horn dog. Yeah.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: And and so I want to then kind of come
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: into this conversation and quickly wrap it up because I
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: don't want to spend too much time on Daniel. I
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: thought it was disgusting the stuff he was saying last night.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: Daniel's Daniel's humor. It's it's not humorous right now, it's
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: he's crossed the line. Last season he was funny and sarcastic,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: but I thought it seemed means spirited yesterday. Yeah, and
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: it felt like he was trying really hard to be
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: funny with every comment he had. He came in very confident,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: very cocky. Um. I didn't appreciate it. I thought it
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: was disgusting. I don't don't think it's the way you
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: speak to women. Um. But I'm trying to remember what
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: conversation was exactly, but there was Kristen was was kind
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: of talking and sharing her virginity, like, you know, I
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: have something now one up on everybody else here, which
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: I also I don't think the fair fair way to speak.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: So we have these two sides, right, you have the
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: slut shaming, the virgin shaming, somewhere in between. We agree
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: as a podcast in his host, none of that shaming
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: is appropriate at any time, and it should never be
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: used to leverage somebody's or to manipulate or leverage yourself
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: on somebody else. That's just not Somebody should like you
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: for who you are as a person, not what you've
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: done or have to offer physically correct correct And I
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: think it's a little bit strange at this point that
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: the franchise is trying to like exploit the virgin like
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: it's like it's a thing now, Like why do we
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: even have to discuss, uh sexual history? I mean, is it?
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: I guess I grew up in um small town in Diana. Uh,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: most of my friends and most of my family friends
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: were a part of a great church in Warsaw, Um
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: you know, very conservative community. I know a lot of
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: virgins that are in there, you know, late twenties, early thirties.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Is it that rare? I mean, I guess I've I've
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: grown up in a world where it's not rare at all.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: I have grown up in an opposite world where before
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: the show, if I was making new friends or something
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: and that topic came up. Then I'd feel so weird
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: to talk about it. I've never never felt comfortable talking
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: about it until the show had me talk about it
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: so much. And you know, it's nice that girls, uh
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: who are in my boat look up to me into
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: a certain way and like I make them feel normal. Yeah.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: Actually you have done UM to kind of close off
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: this conversation. I think it's weird. It makes me feel uncomfortable.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: The shaming of of those kind of things. I don't
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: get it. UM, I I can't quite wrap my head
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: around how anybody UM. First off, kind of with Daniel's comments,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: how anybody can speak UM kind of so vulgarly and
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: so demeaning towards people. UM. But actually you've done nothing
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: but lift yourself up, lift others up in the process
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: of this conversation. UM. I encourage you, I guess, to
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: continue to share your story because it might be the
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: only UM encouraging truth they have to this topic. And
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: we need young women and men out there to feel
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: confident in the in the choices and decisions they've made. UM.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: So please with that right into the almost famous podcast. UM,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: we have a great email set up they'll actually share
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: in a second, um, but right in with your thoughts
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: on the slight shaming, virgin shaming, kind of the shaming
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: in general of your sexual choices and acts, um, and
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: then how maybe if you feel comfortable enough, how that's
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: affected you, we would love to hear your thoughts, um,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: And we'd love to hear your opinions. And then if
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: you get a chance, uh, and you've been encouraged by
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Ashley and her story, right in and tell her. It
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: means a lot to read, um, and and it keeps
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: us passionate about speaking openly about our lives because if not,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: there's really no choice or point to to us being
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: so transparent with you all. Yeah, Actually, what's the email
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: they can write into? They can write into Ben and
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: Ashley at I heeart media dot com. I get tweets
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: all week long about this, so if you're listening right now,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: make sure to write it down. Ben and Ashley at
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: I heeart media dot com. And yeah, like Ben was saying,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: I think, UM, a lot of people say like, thank
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: you for making me feel normal, But when you email
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: me and I read these emails, I'm like, well, thank
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: you for making me feel like I have a little
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: community of my own. That's right. Yeah, I mean exactly,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: We're not. You don't feel alone here, so hey, speaking
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: not feel alone. We've asked writers and listeners to write
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: into uh that same email on last week's podcast, and
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: we have some great emails out there to to read
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: and discuss. Actually, you want to run through this real quick. Yeah,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: let's get a little more lighthearted now. So this girl, Melissa,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: has two questions for us. One, when you were on
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: B I P. Did you get to see your episode
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: before it aired? And did all the people on the
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: show get to see how they were edited before it
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: goes out for the world to see. Well, Melissa, we
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: do not. So it makes for difficult Monday and tuesdays because,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: especially if you're on the West Coast, you're seeing people
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: react to your behavior before you're even seeing it, and
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh my gosh, what do they show what's
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: being aired? You kind of feel defenseless in the moment
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: because you know, you just you never know what they're
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: going to show, and you're not always able to like
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: talk about the full story because you know they have
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: to crunch in the entire story into a certain number
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: of hours every week, So it's it's hard to watch
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: your edit before being prepared to watch it, you know
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: what I mean? Yeah, I mean. And let's let's be
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: clearer too. We hear a lot of excuses from people
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: on the show, like I got a terrible editor, that
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: was a bad at it, and I have yet to
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: watch um an episode or scenario that I've been a
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: part of that the editing, UM was not how it
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: went on. Yes, yes it's cut short, and yes there's
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: things left out, but the overall tone of the conversation,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: overall tone of the situation is always UM, I would
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: say fairly accurate. You're getting a good depiction of the
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: events and the personality. So UM. You know, you can
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: be nervous, and I've been nervous before for for an episode,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: but for the most part, if you felt like you
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: stayed true to yourself, you're fine. You have nothing to
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: worry about. Um. We have another We have another email,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: don't you. Yeah, I'm gonna make you feel awkward. UM,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: that's my favorite. Let me please. Okay, this is from Brianna, Hi,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: Benn and Ashley. I'm wondering about something that nobody ever
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: talks about. Why is this never brought up. I'm talking
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  Speaker 1: about the fantasy suites and the women having that time
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  Speaker 1: of the month talk about killing the vibe. Does this happen?
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  Speaker 1: Does this happen? And what on earth do girls do
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  Speaker 1: if it does happen? Especially for the lead bachelorette. I'm
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  Speaker 1: assuming that most girls are on the pill or that
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  Speaker 1: they just pray for good timing. What do you think?
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  Speaker 1: Love you guys, Brianna? What a good question that I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if I can answer. Truly, this has never
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  Speaker 1: even crossed my mind. What a great question. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of a question that kind of transcends the
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  Speaker 1: bachelor reality with the real world reality, right, so that
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  Speaker 1: can happen. Um, it's real life, it's the real world.
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  Speaker 1: And I guess my answer would be if that was
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  Speaker 1: the situation that existed. First off, we've been very clear
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  Speaker 1: the fantasy suite doesn't always include sex. That's not that's
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  Speaker 1: not the purpose behind the fantasy suite. So the purpose
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  Speaker 1: beyond the fantasy suite is getting to know somebody better
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  Speaker 1: than you did before because there's no cameras around. I
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  Speaker 1: would hope. I guess in my situation as the bachelor,
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  Speaker 1: UM that people felt confid enough, just be honest about
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  Speaker 1: that what their situation was. Um, I mean it's it's
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  Speaker 1: it's life, it's it's natural, it's the real world. Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's unfortunate. Maybe they'd be maybe embarrassed or like she said,
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  Speaker 1: just a big buzz killer. But um, you still have
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  Speaker 1: I was hoping the fantasy suit was not anything more
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  Speaker 1: are like, wait, I don't want to get engaged to
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  Speaker 1: don't think that's like really what's on your mind heading
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  Speaker 1: into the fantasy set? I don't know, I don't know. No,
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