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Speaker 1: We are going to kick off with our question and
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Speaker 1: answer session. So to those of you who've already put
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Speaker 1: your notepad into use, thank you very much. Indeed, we've
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Speaker 1: had some excellent questions. I have to apologize in advance
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Speaker 1: that I'm afraid I have no expectation that we'll be
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Speaker 1: able to get through all of them, such as being
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Speaker 1: the response, So I'm sorry about that. But to those
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Speaker 1: of you that have made the effort, thank you very
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Speaker 1: much indeed, and we will do our best. Also, having
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Speaker 1: said we'd have a roving microphone, there's just not going
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Speaker 1: to be time I will pose the questions, but they
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Speaker 1: are still hugely appreciated. So we're going to start with
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Speaker 1: I think an absolutely excellent one when we consider that
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Speaker 1: a lot of today is not just about what has
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Speaker 1: been going on and what is going on, it's about
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Speaker 1: what's going to happen and the future. So if I
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Speaker 1: could just ask for you to just quiet and down
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Speaker 1: as I ask the first question, please, particularly this bit here,
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Speaker 1: can you guys just quite please? Thank you very much again.
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Speaker 1: So the first question is demographics. Where are the young people?
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Speaker 1: What can we do to engage the younger generations? I
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Speaker 1: think it's an excellent question. Can you give that to Alex?
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Speaker 2: The younger generation is more red pilled than everyone in
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Speaker 2: this room put together. It's just I think that they
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Speaker 2: don't have the habit of attending events like this. It's
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Speaker 2: not just, you know, the thought of being with old fogies.
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Speaker 2: It is that they are getting on where their lives
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Speaker 2: in a much quicker cycle than the rest of us.
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Speaker 2: They're thinking is mediated by not so much by outside
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Speaker 2: internet influences, but by the group of friends and the
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Speaker 2: platforms thereon. There are many people, bear in mind, up
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Speaker 2: to twenty twenty five now gone through everything up to
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Speaker 2: college or starting work, who haven't really done many things
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Speaker 2: in real life. You know, there are people who haven't
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Speaker 2: owned many paper books, who are well read in intelligent people.
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Speaker 2: There are people who you know, have not been I'll
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Speaker 2: quote something from my you know, previous interests. You know,
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Speaker 2: I used to go to folk music in pubs. They
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Speaker 2: won't have had the opportunity even if they wanted to.
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Speaker 2: You know how many folk sessions are that how many
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Speaker 2: pubs are there left? All the usual channels and many
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Speaker 2: of you know that A big one for me is church.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's unthinkable for people even in a regardless
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Speaker 2: of their belief systems, and you know who, they wouldn't
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Speaker 2: have been to church because the networks and the precedents
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Speaker 2: are not there. So they are there at all levels
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Speaker 2: of morality, all levels of intelligence versus practicality. They do
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Speaker 2: feel the same concerns as us, and really you have
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Speaker 2: to get to where they are. Like any movements or
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Speaker 2: organization that is seeking to win hearts and minds, to
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Speaker 2: be evangelistic, you have to get in amongst them. And
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Speaker 2: how do we lower the average age of this group,
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I think probably we would end up
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Speaker 2: with something in tandem. A group like this is probably
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Speaker 2: for the over forties these days in essence, and you know,
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Speaker 2: something not necessarily online, but starting it in that environment
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Speaker 2: is where to go. And I shall I think I'll
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Speaker 2: be able to hang on for another question. That it
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Speaker 2: would be rude of me to about out this very moment,
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Speaker 2: but I do have to fly back to the Netherlands
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Speaker 2: and I have to take a train at five o'clock
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Speaker 2: from Temple Meads, so I'll try and hang on for
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Speaker 2: an extra question if I do not get the opportunity.
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Speaker 2: There was something very important which happens this morning a
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Speaker 2: lady called Catherine. I can't see her now, was very
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Speaker 2: keen to talk to me about something that was distressing
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Speaker 2: her a lot because I can't see her and I'm
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Speaker 2: not going to be able to talk there. You are
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Speaker 2: two ladies whom I won't mention the name of because
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Speaker 2: they didn't want that. But these ladies who are easily
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Speaker 2: recognized by their hair are ladies I absolutely implicitly trust
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Speaker 2: with everything that you mentioned to me, and that's one
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Speaker 2: of the event benefits of meeting in the flesh. So
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Speaker 2: I entrust you to them wholeheartedly. Now that perhaps ties
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Speaker 2: up the answer to the question can you do that online?
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Speaker 2: I don't think you can, right, So we're going to
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Speaker 2: have to put our thinking caps on on how we
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Speaker 2: get the younger generation actually to meet physically. But I
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Speaker 2: think it has to start in their space online.
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Speaker 1: Alex, thanks very much. We'll try and get another question
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Speaker 1: to Alex set I think we'll have to counter on.
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Speaker 1: So this question from Sandy Adams, what are the panel's
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Speaker 1: thoughts on local and city council's de evolution and the
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Speaker 1: Covenant of Mayors for Climate change, Ben or someone else.
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Speaker 3: They're just.
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Speaker 4: Timpol dictators basically, like they've distributed authority further out into
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Speaker 4: the system, and they've created these little networks that are
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Speaker 4: there to replace everything that was already there's.
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Speaker 3: That's what they're doing.
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Speaker 4: If you look at Tracy Bravin in Leeds, who's someone
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Speaker 4: who I pay quite close attention to, I don't think
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Speaker 4: we've got anyone from Yorkshire here.
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Speaker 3: I think I spoke to a couple of people who earlier.
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Speaker 1: Earlier.
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Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, so she kind of swans around place doing
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Speaker 4: a lot of social media activity talking about all these
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Speaker 4: grand plans and it's all about electrification and new green jobs.
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Speaker 4: And when they say new green jobs, that's like the
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Speaker 4: goo lag I think, right, that's the work camps, because
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Speaker 4: it's all state stuff, and it's all building these new
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Speaker 4: systems of control that we don't need because we've already
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Speaker 4: got all these things already. So you're going to take
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Speaker 4: valuable work and get rid of that and replace it
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Speaker 4: with state funded are e, taxpayer funded stuff that we
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Speaker 4: don't need to destroy and replace of things that already exist.
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Speaker 4: And that's not just the energy system, right, They're going
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Speaker 4: to go right down into the infrastructure of this of
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Speaker 4: our society, all of it. I was in Nottingham recently
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Speaker 4: and they've built a new library. We've already got a library. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: it's been there for over one hundred years. Why do
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Speaker 4: we need a new library so that the council can
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Speaker 4: put its name on it and say, oh, look what
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Speaker 4: we did, aren't we fantastic?
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Speaker 3: And that's all they're doing.
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Speaker 4: And it's a it's a it's all the construct it's
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Speaker 4: all Blair government, wasn't it right? And there was a referendum,
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Speaker 4: was there not? And we rejected it by about three
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Speaker 4: to one?
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Speaker 3: Right, Yes, it was a cameraon Okay, right, either way, they're.
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Speaker 1: All the same.
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Speaker 4: We said, we said, we did we we said we
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Speaker 4: didn't want it, and yet it's been forced on us
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Speaker 4: and now we have these people lording it over us
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Speaker 4: that we never asked for spending our money on things
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Speaker 4: that we don't need.
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Speaker 3: And that's what the mayors did. That's what those mayors
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Speaker 3: are doing, you know.
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Speaker 4: And actually I talked to to Wendy guss It last
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Speaker 4: night and actually the council people that you know, in
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Speaker 4: the traditional bits of the council, they are being overridden.
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Speaker 3: They got no idea.
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Speaker 5: That's the lecture.
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Speaker 1: Actually, Council verg of the council.
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Speaker 5: Called it a referendum, wove it here and when it
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Speaker 5: was first brought in Bromfick Council, it was done by
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Speaker 5: your cabinet. It never went to Pull Council, so the
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Speaker 5: whole council never even got to be amazing. And now
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Speaker 5: we're stuck with a mayoral system and they've just gonna
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Speaker 5: Speddy to increase the size of the hump bloodgate on
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Speaker 5: the river hole at some explosion, at price which the
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Speaker 5: thirteen and a half billion they promised for, or having
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Speaker 5: the next step. That's that's where that money used to going.
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Speaker 5: And there's white riding dream rod jeests that's what they do.
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Speaker 1: And then Windy will be in the bar later. Thank
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Speaker 1: you very much. The problem with these questions is that
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Speaker 1: all of them could easily last an entire day to answer,
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Speaker 1: but we will have to push on to quick one
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Speaker 1: for Debbie to be condensed into the smallest possible space
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Speaker 1: from Graham, Thank you Graham. Should we abolish the NHS?
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Speaker 6: I think the NHS has already gone. I think it's dead.
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Speaker 6: The NHS is not the NHS. I trained in Where's Jane?
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Speaker 6: Where are all the nurses? We've got lots of nurses
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Speaker 6: one two Look nurses, nurses.
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Speaker 1: Jane, There you are. Jane.
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Speaker 6: Jane wrote some amazing book. I'll be talking about it
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Speaker 6: on the column. I mean, I'm going to be interviewing
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Speaker 6: her soon because she wrote an amazing book. Because the
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Speaker 6: NHS is not the NHS that I was trained in.
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Speaker 6: It isn't the NHS that you remember. And my biggest
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Speaker 6: bit of advice to everybody you know, whether or not,
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Speaker 6: I mean, the NHS has gone and what is going
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Speaker 6: to come is not going to be good. We are
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Speaker 6: going to have a three tier health system for sure.
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Speaker 6: So what I say to people is, if any of
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Speaker 6: you have got relatives or are having to go into
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Speaker 6: hospital yourselves, know someone that's going into hospital, please make
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Speaker 6: sure you find out who is their named nurse, who
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Speaker 6: is in charge of the ward, who's doing the operation
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Speaker 6: on you or your loved ones, who's anethetizing you find
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Speaker 6: out who is looking after you. Because in my day
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Speaker 6: and your day, all you nurses out there, we had uniforms,
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Speaker 6: and I was super proud of my uniform.
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Speaker 1: I loved it.
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Speaker 6: I used to go on the wards and we'd have
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Speaker 6: to make twenty eight beds before halfpast eight. We'd have
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Speaker 6: to do it, and if we didn't do it properly,
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Speaker 6: and if the envelope corners weren't correct, we'd get matron
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Speaker 6: or nursing officer on our back. And I knew every
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Speaker 6: single one of my patients on the ward, and I
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Speaker 6: now look around the nurses on the wards and the doctors.
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Speaker 6: Do you know your patients?
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Speaker 1: Do you know who they are?
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Speaker 6: Because we were always told in the NHS. And this
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Speaker 6: is what I want to tell the young nurses coming
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Speaker 6: up and a lot of foreign nurses coming up in
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Speaker 6: that every single one of the patients that are in
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Speaker 6: the NHS at the moment, whether it's in care, in
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Speaker 6: social care, or whether it's in a hospital, there's somebody's mum,
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Speaker 6: somebody's dad, somebody's uncle, somebody's son, someone's daughter. We're all humans.
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Speaker 6: And the one thing that we've lost is tender loving care.
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Speaker 6: And I know that all of you nurses here we
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Speaker 6: were trained tender loving care and it hasn't gone. It
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Speaker 6: hasn't gone. We're going to bring it back and us
10:18
Speaker 6: for the MHRA, and on grammar of the MHRA is
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Speaker 6: harm right. So if I had a hospital, I'd employ
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Speaker 6: all of you nurses here and your amazing doctors. Where's
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Speaker 6: Dr Robert Everett? Where is Denia there?
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Speaker 1: He is?
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Speaker 6: Please will you give a rand of applause? But Dr
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Speaker 6: Robert Everett, Yeah, you can do that in a second,
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Speaker 6: because Dr Robert Everett please go on the forum because
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Speaker 6: he's become our very own doctor in the house. And
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Speaker 6: if you've got questions, Dr Robert Everett is your own
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Speaker 6: personal doctor. Thank you so much, Robert for everything that
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Speaker 6: you do on the forum. Windy, everybody, mister taff where
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Speaker 6: are you? Yes, mister Tath and you know, it's just
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Speaker 6: so love to put faces to names. But is the
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Speaker 6: NHS dead? The NHS as we knew it is dead
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Speaker 6: and gone, and we have to look after ourselves. And
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Speaker 6: that's why we're all here today to look after each other.
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Speaker 6: Thank you for being here. It's amazing to see you all.
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Speaker 1: Thank perfect, Debbie, that's lovely. Thank you very much. No,
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Speaker 1: a question from James, which I think will suit Diane.
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Speaker 1: Is there any ideological difference globally it's a big one.
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Speaker 1: We're pushed for time.
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Speaker 7: Oh this is like extra time with no chat box.
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Speaker 1: Charles.
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Speaker 8: No.
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Speaker 7: I think, well that's an interesting question because I don't
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Speaker 7: know if you've seen some of my reporting in recent
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Speaker 7: weeks on the Summit of the Future, in the Pact
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Speaker 7: of the Future, the Global Digital Compact, and all of
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Speaker 7: these documents that reside within it. That ideology is actually
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Speaker 7: built into it, but it's built into it with very
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Speaker 7: nice sounding language, Oh, we're going to include women. Oh,
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Speaker 7: our people are important from our countries. And so it's
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Speaker 7: kind of this blending of what used to be, you know,
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Speaker 7: individual countries, individual Western civilization, Eastern civilization, whatever tradition our
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Speaker 7: countries come from, and what they're doing is erasing it
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Speaker 7: in favor of what I would actually consider a global
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Speaker 7: ideology if you really think about it, that we're all
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Speaker 7: supposed to be the same gender eventually, which I think,
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Speaker 7: unfortunately goes towards the depopulation agenda as well as other
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Speaker 7: things minor attracted persons, other terrible things that we're heading towards.
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Speaker 7: Things around while we're going to do away with the
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Speaker 7: fact that different people come from different backgrounds, different traditions,
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Speaker 7: different languages, different religions, different cultures, all to kind of
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Speaker 7: have all of the same ideology. But I think what
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Speaker 7: they have to do first is a race. Look at
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Speaker 7: our cities here in the UK. They've taken away all
12:44
Speaker 7: of the local things. Everything looks the same. It's all
12:47
Speaker 7: as Sainsbury's everywhere you look, right, So all of that
12:50
Speaker 7: is taken away from us. And I think it's a
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Speaker 7: very intentional approach to destroy what we know as Western
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Speaker 7: civilization or whatever might be the same the other countries.
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Speaker 7: You can probably go to eat KFC if you want to.
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Speaker 7: I wouldn't do it. I don't need it here. I
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Speaker 7: never eat in America. But you know, that's what they're
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Speaker 7: trying to do, is that we have no individual identities anymore,
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Speaker 7: so that we have one single identity which will suit
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Speaker 7: the globals quite well.
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Speaker 1: I think, here Coles, thank you darn.
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Speaker 9: Just to add to that, the agenda is to turn
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Speaker 9: us all into the same thing. As you say, this
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Speaker 9: is another example of the inversion of language, because as
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Speaker 9: they call this process diversity, right, what they're doing is
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Speaker 9: removing diversity from the human race. We should celebrate other cultures,
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Speaker 9: other faiths, right. This brings different thinking, and if we
13:44
Speaker 9: all think the same, we're all going to come up
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Speaker 9: with the same rubbish answers to the problems that we face.
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Speaker 9: We need other opinions than our own. We need to
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Speaker 9: be challenged in what we believe, and this idea of
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Speaker 9: moving us all into some uni party of whatever mush
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Speaker 9: is simply it is weakening the human risk and we
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Speaker 9: should be fighting.
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Speaker 1: It, right right, Great question one in Actually I think
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Speaker 1: we'll just stick with Mike for a second because this
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Speaker 1: question is from Arthur who asks, and I think it'd
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Speaker 1: be nice to have the context over the years on this,
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Speaker 1: because I daresay everybody's got their assumptions about what connections
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Speaker 1: we might have with whom within the sphere of independent news.
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Speaker 1: And the question therefore is what informal contact does UK
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Speaker 1: column have with mainstream media? Which I think is a
14:41
Speaker 1: good question and I think Mike can answer informal contact, well,
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Speaker 1: let's say any we report on them when we can,
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Speaker 1: As Beern says, yes, thank you, No, we are. We
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Speaker 1: don't really have any contact with mainstream media. We try
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Speaker 1: to contact the media spokespeople for various agencies and institutions
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Speaker 1: and whatnot, and usually we get sometimes we get answers,
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Speaker 1: sometimes we get ignored, sometimes we get other comments from them,
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Speaker 1: but the mainstream media not really And we have tried
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Speaker 1: to engage with the lovely Mariana, but for some reason
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Speaker 1: she doesn't want to speak to us, And well, I mean,
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Speaker 1: what can we say.
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Speaker 9: The most contact that we get from the disinformation or
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Speaker 9: censorship industrial complex, whatever way you want to call it,
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Speaker 9: is from the fact checking organizations, and we have we've
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Speaker 9: just recently had our annual inspection by NewsGuard. Last year
15:46
Speaker 9: we got twenty seven out of one hundred from NewsGuard.
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Speaker 1: And hopefully, hopefully we'll be.
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Speaker 9: Significantly towards zero by the time they published this year's
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Speaker 9: report as well. Yeah, oh oh oh, thank you. Right, Okay.
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Speaker 9: There has been one contact with mainstream media in history,
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Speaker 9: and that was twenty thirteen and the Levison Inquiry was
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Speaker 9: going on, and we saw that as being the first
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Speaker 9: modern attempt by the British government to take control of
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Speaker 9: the press. And we decided that what we had done
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Speaker 9: quite a bit of work on the people involved in
16:31
Speaker 9: the Levison Inquiry and the connections to Common Purpose in particular,
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Speaker 9: and we published an article or two in the newspaper
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Speaker 9: that we were publishing at the time, and we decided
16:41
Speaker 9: that we would send the research that we did to
16:45
Speaker 9: Paul Diacre the Daily Mail, and he in fact wrote
16:51
Speaker 9: back to us with a wedding signature which we've subsequently
16:54
Speaker 9: discovered is like Hen's teeth. It's extremely rare. Thanking us
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Speaker 9: for that he took. He gave it to a team
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Speaker 9: of four or five journalists and they worked on that
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Speaker 9: for a year and then published thirteen pages in the
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Speaker 9: Meal and blew the Levis inquiry out of the water.
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Speaker 9: But of course they didn't mention us. And then subsequently
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Speaker 9: Brian had contact with one of the journalists that Digger
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Speaker 9: put on the team, and Brian did say, maybe you
17:20
Speaker 9: want to comment on this. But Brian did say, ask
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Speaker 9: him why no credit? What was his answer?
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Speaker 8: His answer was, well, you know how it is, So.
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Speaker 1: There you go. And on that note, banging mind, Alex
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Speaker 1: has got very little time, but an enormous brain and
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Speaker 1: full of useful things. On the law. We'll go to Liz,
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Speaker 1: who asks, is there any point in me, as an
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Speaker 1: ordinary person, not obviously me the person who wrote the question,
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Speaker 1: trying to become a magistrate in the hope of rebalancing
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Speaker 1: the system.
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Speaker 3: Is there any point?
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Speaker 2: Yes, if you could live with yourself, be aware that
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Speaker 2: you will be breaking the constitution by doing so, because
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Speaker 2: being appointed a justice of the peace. Okay, it goes
18:07
Speaker 2: back many centuries and to be fair, the undifferentiated style
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Speaker 2: of justice we had in medieval England didn't have the
18:15
Speaker 2: separation of powers, and you see vestiges of that in
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Speaker 2: the Privy Council. But back then there were corrupt judges,
18:23
Speaker 2: and then if there was a need to expedite justice,
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Speaker 2: the king would appoint King's Bench for the pledge to
18:29
Speaker 2: get straight to the king at least somebody acting in
18:31
Speaker 2: the king's names a king's name, and it was in
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Speaker 2: that spirit that JP's not magistrates. That's a more recent term,
18:37
Speaker 2: but JP's were appointed back in the Middle Ages to
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Speaker 2: provide some kind of speedy access. However, since we've had
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Speaker 2: our constitutional settlements, and we are definitely reviving a dissident's
18:46
Speaker 2: Guide to the Constitution many of you have urged us to,
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Speaker 2: and we'll be getting into the history part of the
18:51
Speaker 2: series very soon. Since we've had those essentially seventeenth century settlements,
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Speaker 2: the justice arm of government is not supposed to have
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Speaker 2: anything to do with the executive. On the continent, they're
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Speaker 2: even stricter about this. They will be quite flummoxed by
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Speaker 2: what they see happening in Britain. So for you to
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Speaker 2: be a JP, you're an officer of the executive. You know,
19:11
Speaker 2: you're you're in the wrong branch of government to be
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Speaker 2: trying somebody. The Dutch and some other continental countries have
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Speaker 2: an honest name for this system. They call it the
19:18
Speaker 2: police courts. England had that term until fifty years ago.
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Speaker 2: So you're actually being told, you know, we'll deal with
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Speaker 2: you whipper snapper here so that you don't have to
19:26
Speaker 2: clog up the justice system. However, everything what's the old
19:30
Speaker 2: sake about? Try everything in life except incest and Morris dancing?
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Speaker 2: Well that there are certain there are certain avenues of
19:36
Speaker 2: dissidents that really are worth trying. A couple of them
19:40
Speaker 2: are beyond the pale of decentcy, British common sense, morality, etc.
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Speaker 2: I will leave it to your own conscience to decide
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Speaker 2: whether becoming a magistrate is one of these things that
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Speaker 2: are just beyond the pale, or whether you can take
19:52
Speaker 2: it for the team.
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Speaker 1: You yeah, cool, Yeah, friend, Fan's just got a little
20:00
Speaker 1: bit more to chip in.
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Speaker 3: Was that a mic drop you literally just ran?
20:10
Speaker 4: So I've thought about this quite a bit, and there's
20:13
Speaker 4: a lot of discussion about setting up parallel systems, and
20:16
Speaker 4: actually that would involve or could involve setting up a
20:19
Speaker 4: parallel judiciary and police force and everything else. And actually,
20:24
Speaker 4: when you report a crime, that's when it becomes a crime, right,
20:27
Speaker 4: So if you don't report a crime to the police,
20:29
Speaker 4: then you go to a separate police force in a
20:32
Speaker 4: separate judicial system. And actually there is precedent for this
20:36
Speaker 4: already if you look at some of the there are
20:39
Speaker 4: some Sharia courts, for example in this country.
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Speaker 3: And actually I saw recently that there are.
20:43
Speaker 4: Jewish police officers from a separate police force going on
20:47
Speaker 4: patrol in North London with the police. All right, So
20:52
Speaker 4: you know, I'm not saying that we need to emulate
20:54
Speaker 4: that precisely, but the idea that we need to take
20:56
Speaker 4: over the existing institutions in our society in order to
20:59
Speaker 4: rectify them and to rescue them, that might not be necessary.
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Speaker 3: Actually, there's a different way of thinking about it.
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Speaker 9: The reason that their Sharia courts in this country is
21:10
Speaker 9: because they are set up under a system of arbitration.
21:13
Speaker 9: So it's like judge judy or judge render. There's no
21:17
Speaker 9: reason why we couldn't do exactly this type of thing,
21:19
Speaker 9: no reason whatsoever, And we don't need to engage with
21:22
Speaker 9: the justice system. You just have an agreement that whatever
21:27
Speaker 9: the decision of the whatever where you formulate the arbitration panel,
21:30
Speaker 9: whether you have a jury or whatever, it is how
21:33
Speaker 9: you investigate the crime in the first place, whether you
21:36
Speaker 9: have a grand jury to do that, which we used
21:38
Speaker 9: to do, and we have talked about it. We have
21:41
Speaker 9: talked about this in the past, past events, and just
21:45
Speaker 9: on the subject of grand juries, if im a Charles
21:47
Speaker 9: for two minutes, we have been in particular, and we
21:51
Speaker 9: have been talking about this whole issue of sortition becoming
21:56
Speaker 9: a way of creating policy in this country, and of
22:00
Speaker 9: course we've been very critical of it, and I just
22:03
Speaker 9: wanted to make a comment, but the difference between sortition
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Speaker 9: and a grand jury, because grand jury has investigatory pars
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Speaker 9: used to have, they have abolished them in the UK
22:13
Speaker 9: nine and so it is the responsibility of the grand
22:17
Speaker 9: jury to decide who the experts are that they go
22:20
Speaker 9: to if they want to discover whether a crime is
22:22
Speaker 9: being committed. They are speaking to the people who are
22:23
Speaker 9: the witnesses, they're speaking to the victim or whoever it
22:26
Speaker 9: happens to be, or if they're investing. If we were
22:28
Speaker 9: to use grand juries to decide on policy, for example,
22:32
Speaker 9: it's the grand jury's responsibility to decide who they speak
22:35
Speaker 9: to to get the advice they need to come to
22:37
Speaker 9: the conclusion that they need to come to, whereas in
22:40
Speaker 9: the sortition process it's the opposite. The organizer selects or
22:44
Speaker 9: elects by lottery or whatever way they want to do it,
22:47
Speaker 9: the people that are on this panel, and then the
22:51
Speaker 9: organizer selects who the experts are that the panel, and
22:53
Speaker 9: that's a significantly important differentiation. It's about who's in control
22:59
Speaker 9: of discovering the information that you need to make the
23:01
Speaker 9: decision at the end of the day. So I just
23:03
Speaker 9: wanted to put a word in for grand juries and arbitration.
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Speaker 1: And excellent point, very very well made. And there's you know,
23:12
Speaker 1: it's this topic that UK column definitely be covering a
23:14
Speaker 1: lot in the future. As the sortition continued to sort
23:17
Speaker 1: of push its way to the front of the queue,
23:19
Speaker 1: we just got time for one more which I'd like
23:20
Speaker 1: Brian to answer for a short period of time. It
23:24
Speaker 1: is a big question and it is on everybody's lips
23:28
Speaker 1: so much of the time, but it's from Judith. How
23:30
Speaker 1: can we motivate the frightened silence, sorry, the frightened silent
23:34
Speaker 1: awake to be more active in resistance.
23:39
Speaker 8: Well, yes, excuse me, I think you've got to cuddle
23:43
Speaker 8: them basically. You know, if you're talking people who are
23:50
Speaker 8: genuinely frightened, then you've got to come in with some
23:54
Speaker 8: compassion and some understanding to bring them out of that fear.
24:01
Speaker 8: There's no question of this. And you know, we began
24:05
Speaker 8: today by all right, I began today by sort of
24:08
Speaker 8: talking that we are feeling from you guys, that there
24:12
Speaker 8: are some people who are beginning to feel fearful. And
24:16
Speaker 8: it's no good me saying to you stand up and
24:20
Speaker 8: straight your backbone and chin up and get on with it.
24:24
Speaker 8: There's a bit more to it than that, which is
24:25
Speaker 8: understanding why people are feeling nervous and what we have
24:29
Speaker 8: to do in order to get them to act. So
24:32
Speaker 8: I'm maybe surprising I laughing while I'm talking this because
24:38
Speaker 8: I can see Charles out of the corner of my eye,
24:40
Speaker 8: who's standing up appropriately. And of course, in a military sense,
24:51
Speaker 8: the person who started to show a bit of fear
24:54
Speaker 8: would probably be told just to their face to buck
24:57
Speaker 8: up and get on with it. So, you know, there's
25:00
Speaker 8: horses for courses. But if we're dealing with the average
25:03
Speaker 8: person and they're fearful. There needs to be a bit
25:05
Speaker 8: of understanding first. But I gave you all the things
25:09
Speaker 8: in that initial slide, which is that you know, if
25:13
Speaker 8: you're fearful, how do you get around fear? Well? Being
25:17
Speaker 8: with somebody else is the first step. When patrols are
25:22
Speaker 8: sent out, you know it's going to be two or
25:24
Speaker 8: more men. Why because two people are always better than one.
25:29
Speaker 8: Two people are hugely braver than one person. Right, it's
25:33
Speaker 8: a dark night, you've got to go and do your
25:35
Speaker 8: patrol in the cemetery, you'll go with another person. You're
25:39
Speaker 8: thinking about it on your own. So being with somebody training, Right,
25:44
Speaker 8: we're in a battle and you should start training for it.
25:47
Speaker 8: It doesn't mean say you've got to fight every area,
25:50
Speaker 8: but you decide which areas you're going to fight and if,
25:54
Speaker 8: for say it's going to be in the look who
25:56
Speaker 8: was talking about the magistrates. Then start researching the law
26:00
Speaker 8: so that you know the law, and then then the
26:03
Speaker 8: fear of what you're going to go into drops away
26:06
Speaker 8: because you've educated yourself. We also talked about laughter. This
26:13
Speaker 8: is so important because you see the old war films
26:17
Speaker 8: and they're about to go off on some mission or
26:19
Speaker 8: jump out of an airplane and then somebody makes the
26:22
Speaker 8: joke and that breaks the That breaks the hole that
26:26
Speaker 8: the fear's got. So it's being human to me at
26:30
Speaker 8: the end of the day. But you just think the
26:33
Speaker 8: fire team going into a burning building. You say they're
26:37
Speaker 8: going to be two or more in that crew, the
26:40
Speaker 8: minimums two because two people is braver than one. Hello, well, absolutely,
26:51
Speaker 8: so there was a lot covered in that. So we're
26:55
Speaker 8: going to give lots of praise for that because I
26:57
Speaker 8: think your presentation was very uplifting straight off today. So
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Speaker 8: I'm happy to say thank you very much for that.
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Speaker 1: Lovely a fantastic note to conclude the question and answer session.
27:14
Speaker 1: Thank you very much to do for all the questions
27:16
Speaker 1: that you've put. I'm sorry that so few have been answered,
27:18
Speaker 1: but it's lovely that we've had the chance to hear
27:20
Speaker 1: from Alex in particular, who's had scoot off. Now, whilst
27:24
Speaker 1: we stand here, you're familiar with our faces because we
27:28
Speaker 1: appear on screen. Now those that don't are here also,
27:31
Speaker 1: and without them this wouldn't be happening. So I'd just
27:34
Speaker 1: like to point out Stephanie sitting just well now standing.
27:43
Speaker 1: Stephanie is our producer and without chair, obviously you wouldn't
27:46
Speaker 1: know who we are. So thank you very much, Stephanie Kenny. Also,
27:51
Speaker 1: please come on, he can stand up. Come on, Kenny
27:58
Speaker 1: Kenny knows an awful lot about awful lot, mainly tech
28:01
Speaker 1: and it's fantastic. And Claire runs the shop and is
28:05
Speaker 1: a stallward so the shop, which by the way still
28:11
Speaker 1: has plenty of merchandise available, and blah blah. And also
28:14
Speaker 1: actually on that I did forget to mention at lunch
28:16
Speaker 1: that Bob still has a huge stack of books which
28:18
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to take home, so don't forget that.
28:20
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28:25
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28:32
Speaker 1: And in this short break now before we hear Kim Isherwood,
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Speaker 1: we're just going to have a few UK column Team
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