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Isaac Teel on Drake's Fake Abs, NYC Pizza & Why Single Men Need to Smell Better · Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast

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Do you miss New York? I miss aspects of it.
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I miss my family. I miss the pizza. I miss the bagels. I miss the pasta.
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If you could bring one thing from New York to Denver,
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what would you bring? Pizza. Duh. Do you think the pizza here is
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as bad as they say it is? Yes. Or do I just not mind?
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Bad pizza? It doesn't. It doesn't rise like New York.
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And the dough is completely different.
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Do we need more Italians here? I don't even know because there's
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dope Mexicans making fire pizza in New York. Yeah, that's true.
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But also, they might have learned it from the Italians.
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Maybe you need Italians there at some point.
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At some point, but I don't know. I think you can do it without them.
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Do you think that's the first time anyone's ever said.
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Do you think we need more Italians here? Maybe. Maybe.
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We love our Italians. I grew up Catholic. Absolutely.
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All my friends are black Italian. Hey, everybody. Nick here. No, Andy.
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This week he's in Nashville making yet another album.
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He makes an album every six weeks now.
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He's inevitable, much like AI is inevitable.
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And that's why I'm going to get into this Velvet Sundown thing.
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And nobody will shut up about lately. I'm going to look right now,
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actually. Let's see how many. They're up to 1.2 million
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monthly listeners. And if you're not familiar with
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Velvet Sundown, also, you can pre-save their album.
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I think it's funny. They're completely I created.
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We can't play the music on here, can we?
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Do you think we'd probably get hit with, like,
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a drone strike or whatever? Daniel Elk's gonna, you know,
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Daniel Elk, the owner of Spotify, invest like, billions of dollars
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into, like, defense corporations. And people are mad at him for making
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letting elevator music made by robots come onto his his thing.
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Look. I don't know, man. I don't know about I it's like I
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don't think it's going to affect like for Andy, like Andy Frasco,
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for example. Let's use him since you all know
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who he is. I don't think I will affect Andy
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Frasco. Do you know what I mean by that?
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Like, I think truly creative people with their own personality
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are not going to get hit by, uh, by this bullshit.
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I wish I could play it for you, but we can't.
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But it's like, basically sounds like 70s music, right?
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Sounds like khruangbin mixed with like. Right.
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I think it's like a little bit crunk. Been mixed with, like,
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70s vibes with like the worst vocals. They even have like fake pictures of
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the guys and they kind of look like, I like they look like the human
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version, like, there's these people anyway that are I anyway,
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those humans, those people in LA, they'll just like grow their hair
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out and now they're a songwriter. They're basically I anyway,
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they're doing the same thing this, this program is doing where it's just
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copying all the music ever made and whittling it down into something
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digestible so it can be played in the background at Jersey Mike's,
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you know what I mean? While you get a Philly cheesesteak.
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And that's why, I don't know, it's like you can get as mad as
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you want at this stuff instead of the defense contractor thing.
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Uh, but the thing is, it's not going anywhere. I is inevitable.
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It's like, how were you? How old were you when the
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internet first came out? Were you old enough to remember
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people resisting it, talking to Jack, our producer, because he's the only
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other person here? I'm lonely. Only I'm all by myself and I'm
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lonely. My girlfriend's out of town and
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playing video games and making clips. Um, yeah. Like it's like that.
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It's like when the internet first came out, no one, like,
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everybody thought it was going to go away in two years,
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or cable TV or fucking avocado toast or the self-checkout or
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Andy Cohen or fucking the McRib. You know what I mean?
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It's like, you cannot like this thing all you want, but people are
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using it. It's not going away. It's just going to be more. So.
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I think, uh, what we should do with the AI
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thing is just shut up about it. I think that's the best way we
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can fight. This is everybody just shut up
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about it. And if you don't like it,
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don't engage with it. I do have a theory that and this is
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probably verifiable, that most of these monthly listeners are digital
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themselves. Right. And it's like. That's such a weird concept.
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It's like that data internet thing where it's like, so it's fake
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accounts listening to fake music. So it's just like this circle of
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things that don't exist or are created by AI.
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But how is that going to make money? Because like what?
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Where's the money from the bots coming?
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Like at some point they're not going to make money off that because a bot
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doesn't generate probably enough Spotify streams to pay for itself,
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right? So what's going to. So it's kind of like I'm a used
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to be a freelance copywriter. I still do it sometimes too.
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And there's been a big, uh, thing with AI and copywriting too,
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where I sort of got rid of the freelance copywriter because all
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these websites are using fake things to write their paragraph
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blog for them, but they're starting to realize that that
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stuff doesn't get any engagement. And the only people reading that
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stuff is other bots. So they're going back to using
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humans again. And I think that's what's going
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to happen with this music. And even if it doesn't,
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this music kind of sucks anyway. It's like the worst kind of music,
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which is like not bad music. You would think that bad music's the
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worst kind of music, but it's not. It's like it's kind of why
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everybody used to make fun of Nickelback for a long time.
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Like they could basically be AI, you know what I'm saying?
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Or like some band like that. Imagine like, oh,
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we talk about Imagine Dragons. Isaac's gonna be on later.
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Uh, one of my best friends here in, uh, Denver.
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Great drummer, great musician, and a good guy.
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Um, we got into talking about Imagine Dragons and how basic and boring they
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are and stuff like that, and it's kind of the same thing. It's like.
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So like some Mormon gets to make $10 million instead of an IT guy.
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That's basically the difference here with I like I just think that like,
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humans are already kind of doing this anyway.
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And the truly creative, great musicians.
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Ozzy Osbourne, for example, he just had his farewell concert.
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There's not going to like, you can't recreate Ozzy Osbourne,
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you can't recreate Limp Bizkit, you can't recreate, uh, any,
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like, any jazz. Well, maybe some shitty jazz,
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maybe some smooth jazz. The Weather Channel, jazz, even some
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of that, though you can't recreate. Like, I can only make stuff off
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what it already knows about. It can't create new things.
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So I think it's like something not to be too worried about.
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And I also don't think these bands are going to make any money because
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of what I talked about earlier with the bots. So I don't know.
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That's my take on I. Ah, shit. Um. Oh, yeah.
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My other thing I want to talk about. Oh, yeah, we got into that
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because the band names thing that video I had with the band names,
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and, uh, I was thinking about Phish and how their band,
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they were in town last weekend, and I was thinking about how they
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were in town and how they're sort of like, we were texting about this,
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about the how they're the Jeff Goldblum of music.
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So like, I was thinking about this, like how they were in town and how
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they still have all these fans, even though they're kind of niche.
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They've never really been on TV. They they have their, you know,
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a very niche audience, but they're creative and like,
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that's another band you couldn't recreate with Phish.
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That could never happen. You can't make a guy in a dress on I.
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But like, there I was thinking about like, what is the actor equivalent?
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I already told you, but the actor equivalent of Phish.
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And I was thinking, it's got to be a dude, right?
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Because they're dude, it's a guy music.
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It can't be a woman. The woman. The women know it's games are for or
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for dudes, and this guy might be a little too good looking to be fish as
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an actor, but he is very talented. And I think it's Jeff Goldblum,
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right? I think Jeff Goldblum is the I guess
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who was first probably fish, right? They started in the early 80s,
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I don't know, maybe around the same time.
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So they are the like the equivalent of each other as an actor.
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He's like, you know, he's got his own unique fan base.
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He's had a really high peak, you know, like Jurassic.
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He's in one of the biggest movies ever, Jurassic Park.
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He's got some famous lines. Everybody's kind of heard of
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Jeff Goldblum, but like, he's not Brad Pitt or anything,
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you know what I mean? Like, who's Brad Pitt?
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Who Brad Pitt be? He'd be like the Eagles,
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you know what I mean? Good looking, good at what he does.
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Easy to pilot. Incredibly famous. Will probably still be watching his
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movies in 200 years. Uh, Radiohead. Who do you think Radiohead is?
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Adam Driver? That's a good one, right?
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Kind of mysterious. Not sort of like dark,
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but also can play anything. Some of this stuff sucks.
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Some of it's really good. Which I kind of think about
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Radiohead to, you know, like Radiohead's either, like they're
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kind of like Pink Floyd for me, where it's like, hey, this is either
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the best thing I've ever heard in my life or this is garbage,
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which is actually a good thing. Tool. I have a girl for this one.
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Toni Collette. Right. What do you think?
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Uh, what about, uh, Limp Bizkit? I couldn't think of one for them.
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You need someone who's, like, trashy. This would be a good voicemail call.
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You guys call me in, and you tell me. Give me a call on the voicemail line.
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It's in the description. Tell me who you think the actor
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equivalent of Limp Bizkit is, or just really any other any other band?
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I haven't talked to Andy in like a while, so I was going to give
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his manager a call, see what he's up to, because I
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know he talks to him every day. Do you think he'll answer for you?
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Probably not. I think either, probably not.
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Or definitely because he might. I never call him.
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So nothing's ever wrong. I gotta find him here. Hold on.
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Matt. I doubt he answers.
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I should just call a bunch of people and see if anyone answers your call.
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Nope. All right, let me see. Who should I call next?
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Oh, I know who I want to call. It'd be good to get, like,
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a supercut of me just having no one. No one answering.
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We can, like, cut this down a little bit, too. I'm gonna call Barbara.
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It's a supercut of me calling people and then not answering.
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Who shot. Barber? It's Nick. You're on the podcast.
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Oh my God, Gerlach. It's just me, though.
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No, Andy, I was just talking to myself.
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I'm just in this room talking to myself right now, and I was.
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I was talking about that. Have you heard of this new age band,
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Velvet Sundown? How could you not hear about it?
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They spent $1 billion advertising it. Well, I don't know.
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You just had a baby. I don't know how online you are
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lately. Literally, it was everywhere. They're like, oh my, everyone.
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And it's all like. Like Rick Beato from YouTube and
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stuff, like, all like just randomly deciding to talk about
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this band all at the same time. Ooh, conspiracy theory.
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Barber, what do you think about it? And they're all getting paid to
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hate on it, but talk about how inevitable it is. Mhm.
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It's exactly what I was just doing. Fuck I need to get paid for this.
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You should get paid for that. Well, it is inevitable, though,
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don't you think? No, I don't actually think it's
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inevitable. I think that, uh, that music serves,
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like, a very social purpose. Like Won't Get Fooled Again.
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It was, like, the biggest song of the 90s.
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I can't get no satisfaction to sex because there's all these bands
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that serve as pivotal roles in the history of the music business,
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and they want to remove all that. So because they don't want to pay
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those people, that's all it is. And do you think computers are
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going to come up with that now? No, that's actually I kind of said
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that to me. And Jack were talking. We were saying. Formed in 1961.
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I was made in 1961. We still be listening to Elvis today.
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Different forms of Elvis. Right, right, right. But, like.
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Don't you think it'll just replace, like, background music and ads
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and shit like that? It'll be like just the new
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placeholder music. But, I mean, you can do that.
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You can make that kind of music with with using human ingredients. Right.
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But it's cheaper to do it with AI. AI that will help you organize that.
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It'll help you project manage that and help you put your beats together.
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But the samples and the playing and stuff is all human.
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So maybe DJs will be replaced by AI, except for the really good ones.
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Yeah, I don't know. I don't know, the DJ world is weird.
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It's like, do they want like really hot girls doing the stuff
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or do they want. Yeah. Doing it or you know, do they,
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do they want to like really expressive people? It's weird.
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It is kind of it's weird. It reminds me of like,
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the early internet, you know. It's just it's just like there's
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a certain punk, um, aspect of, I mean, I guess the I could, like,
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go around Reddit and look for people complaining and make music
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about that, you know, along the lines of people complaining. Yeah.
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Like they can figure out how to make, like revolutionary music with I
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probably I don't know why they wouldn't be able to do that,
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but I don't think. I don't think the point of AI is
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to get us, you know, better music. I don't think it is either. No.
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It's just it's like the people who, you know, everybody's on Spotify and
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they're just like, happy on Spotify. And Spotify is going to take all
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that money that they get from people and say, how do we spend less?
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And they've already like, cut everybody's streaming fees down
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to really small small amounts. Right. And they're getting so much pushback
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every time they lower streaming fees that they just probably think
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that lowering streaming fees further isn't an option for them.
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Right. And, you know. Speaking of DJs,
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do you think that I can replace Mark Brownstein as a DJ? I don't think.
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I could get his voice right on the microphone when he hits the crowd.
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Hey, everybody, I'm ChatGPT 4.5. All right. I love this song.
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Let's see your hands in the air. Where are you right now?
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Are you on the road? Uh, we're playing in the round
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tonight in Cape Cod. And the round so people can see your
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butt. Yeah. On a spinning stage. I don't think I like that.
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I feel very exposed with people behind me to. I don't like that.
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It's a little weird. It definitely like.
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It definitely hits your, like, balance.
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You get used to it, but, like, you can't move around too much on
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stage because you could, like, fly off the edge of the stage by mistake.
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That'd be hilarious, actually. The whole thing is moving.
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Everything's moving. So you, like, walk towards something,
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and then by the time you get there, it's moved. So you have to like.
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Oh, weird. You you have to hope that your
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body adjusts, makes a little micro adjustments.
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But I was just out there, and sometimes it doesn't.
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Sometimes you're like, in it, you do what you normally do and then
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you end up walking off the stage. Oh my God. We'll see what happens.
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That's crazy. But you can sell more tickets.
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You guys aren't going to follow what everybody else,
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every other bands doing. And fire your drummer. Are you?
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Or get get a new drummer. Right. You guys are good with Alan for
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a while. It seems like a pretty hip thing
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to do. I mean,
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definitely everybody's doing it. Varying style to get a new
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drummer right now. It's like bell bottoms. Yeah.
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I mean, bell bottoms will come back, you know? Yeah, they have to.
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I will probably see them in a, you know, rolling Stone ad about
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latest fashions for 1978, coming back in 1998.
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And then they'll make it come back again. Yeah. Yeah.
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I'm old drummers make a comeback though.
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Like I don't see any of these bands getting their original drummers
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and putting them back in the band. No, they're not doing that,
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are they? Who else just quit? The guy just quit Pearl jam.
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Matt Cameron just quit Pearl jam. Umphrey's got a new drummer,
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somebody else. Goose has a new one every six months.
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Did, um, did the Metallica bass player quit and then they put
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him back in? Probably. Who knows who can keep up with
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those crazy guys? What town are you in? You said.
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Cape Cod. Oh, I like Cape Cod. It's like rich white trash.
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You know what I mean? It's actually. It's a good way to describe it.
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Yeah. It's like. Yeah,
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it's like they kind of party still. They have, like, a a bad sunburn,
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like all the time. You and I. White trash though. I'm white trash.
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I don't think you are. I don't think you're white trash.
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I think you're something else. I'm definitely white trash.
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You're probably more like I don't know. I don't know what you are.
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Maybe an orb of light or spirit. I'm an orb of light, I like that,
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yeah. You're not, I don't think. I don't think you're real.
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I don't I'm not still not fully convinced you exist either.
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Mine? Hell, yeah. Dude, even when you had a second kid.
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What about when you had kids that you weren't like? Man, maybe I do exist.
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No, no, no, it doesn't, because the kids are just part of your your,
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like, like, mental arrangement, you know? Yeah.
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So maybe you're like, they don't exist either.
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One thing about having kids, you, after a couple of years when they've
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been around for a couple of years and they don't leave, they never leave,
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right? They're always there. Yeah yeah. Yeah. Yeah yeah.
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Like a like when you get Lyme disease.
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I'll see you in a month, right. They're always there and always like,
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hang out with me. Hang out with me. After a while. You do.
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You can't imagine what life was like without them. Interesting.
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Even though it's only been a few years. Yeah, yeah.
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Like if I think about when I was 20, I'm like, where was River when I
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was 20? Oh, yeah. Yeah, dude. Yeah. It's weird.
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I'm like that with tequila. Yeah. Anyway, you got a message for
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these listeners before you go. Any motivation? Any.
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If we're going to talk about tequila, I think, you know, 1 or 2 shots
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of tequila is a good thing. That's good, I like that.
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My message for your listeners. Couple shots.
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If you go to six, you know, you might need a ride home.
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Yeah, you might need a ride home. I gotta grab an Uber. All right.
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All right, Barbara, I'll let you get back to your show.
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Thanks for helping me kill eight minutes later. Bye.
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I love hanging with you guys. Let's do it again. Yeah.
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Hit me up when you're in town in September from Mishawaka.
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All right. Peace. Yeah. Later. There you go, Barber.
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He always has a. I like him because, uh,
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he always has, like, an opinion where we kind of agree,
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but then he'll, like, go to the left, like he's not afraid to disagree
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with you, which I like. Okay. Matt told me to call him back.
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I like, tell him they're on the podcast right away.
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They don't expect that from me. What's up?
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Matt, you're on the podcast. It's Nick. Oh, God. What's up?
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Andy's not here, though. It's just me and you. Buddy.
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Let's talk. Yeah, I want to talk to you
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without Andy around, and, uh, you know, somewhere private,
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like a recorded podcast. I haven't talked to him this week.
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How are things going in the Frasco camp? Everything's good. Yeah, I.
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Got some shows, lots of music being made. Lots of lots of things.
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It's good. Yeah. Do you think he's doing a good job?
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Do you think he's behaving himself in Nashville right now?
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Uh, he's writing songs, I don't know. You think he's being a good boy?
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Uh, I haven't asked that question, and I don't want to know.
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Oh, yeah, it's kind of a don't ask, don't tell thing with Andy, huh?
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Correct. Unless I get a call from the police.
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It's, uh. Everything's okay. Are you going to come to our show?
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Yes. He's coming. Everybody. Levitt. August 2nd. Andy. Frasco.
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I heard the opener is killing. Killing the best thing you've
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ever heard. The Colts. They're really good. They're.
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No, they're not as not probably not as good as Andy.
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But we're pretty good. It's really good.
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Is there anything I should be doing different for this podcast that I
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can improve without Andy around to filter it? No, I think, uh.
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I'm a great co-host. Calling people and putting them
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on the spot. It makes everyone feel super
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welcome and inviting. It's great. Yeah, it's kind of.
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It's kind of fun to know you're being recorded, huh?
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Uh, this will live in podcast land forever, so. I'm so stoked.
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It's actually it's been recorded twice because the FBI has my
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phone tapped too. So this is going out everywhere.
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All right, so do you have any, uh. I'm gonna I'm gonna make you do
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the thing Andy does. Do you have any motivation for
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everybody this week? Um, just work hard and keep a
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positive attitude. Oh my. God. That's why you're a manager and not
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an artist. I could have done that. Come on, try again. I'm not.
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I'm not as creative as you guys are. That's true.
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I've been sending emails all day, so my brain is fried. Yeah.
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That's good, that's good. All right, well, I'll let you go.
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I just wanted to see if if if Andy's in trouble or anything.
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I haven't talked to him this week. He's not in trouble. No hot.
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Goss. He's making. He's making music, which is a good
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thing. Yeah, he's good at it. Yes. Unfortunately.
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All right, well, I'll let you go. Bye bye. All right.
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Work hard and be good to people and be. I don't know, man. That's stupid.
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What's some better motivation this week? Um. Don't follow.
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I shit online unless you really want to care.
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If you like it, who gives a shit? Fucking listen to it.
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Everybody just shut up about it. I do like his theory about them
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paying to advertise it, because it's like no press or bad
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press can be good press, you know? But then at the same time, I wonder,
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I just don't see how this is going to make money long term, I don't know.
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Like I said, this is what happens when you have it.
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Guys running the music industry. Anyway, we got Isaac up next for you.
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Me and my friend Isaac. It's very funny.
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We have a lot of good, good time. We talk about Drake and religion and
21:03
how single men need to smell better. Anything else we touched on?
21:07
I can entice them with. Oh, that's pretty good stuff.
21:10
Stick around. Bye, Andy. I'll be back next week. I love you.
21:18
World saving podcast listeners. I'm sorry. Yo, yo, Andy's not here.
21:22
He's even. Where is he right now? Probably Nashville.
21:25
He's saving the world. He's doing something cool on
21:27
Instagram with his cool friends, making songs that hopefully
21:31
someone will buy. Anyway. So I have a special sitting
21:34
guest here today drummer, musician, drummer and musician.
21:38
Because not all drummers are musicians. This is very true.
21:40
And not all musicians are drummers, but they all think they are.
21:44
They all want to be. Singer fragrance guy. Hey what's up?
21:49
And our resident black correspondent, Isaac.
21:51
Tell everybody give it up for Isaac. Wait, which one's the. Nope.
21:55
Wrong. I'll take that. I don't need the applause.
21:59
Give me the horn. I don't know the buttons.
22:00
What's up man? How you doing? You getting ready to do a gig?
22:02
So we had to squeeze you in here. I appreciate the squeeze, man.
22:05
I'm feeling great. Feeling good? Yeah. You just.
22:07
You just got back from New York. I did.
22:08
I was writing some music with the Talk Boys and Kanika Moore and Lyle
22:12
Divinsky. That's a fun group, man. Yeah, it's a good time.
22:16
Lyle's always smiling. I wonder what he's hiding under
22:18
there. I don't think he's hiding anything.
22:20
I think he's a genuinely happy dude. Well, I wonder what that's like.
22:23
It's a little scary sometimes, but, I mean, I enjoy the positivity.
22:27
What do you think about the, uh, this whole Mike Brown hiring?
22:30
Are you into. It? I am into it because I feel.
22:33
Like I know you can't. You probably can't talk about it too
22:34
much here. We got to be careful. No no, no. But we he brings winning.
22:38
And so, you know, I'm I'm here for winning. We need a winning culture.
22:42
We also need a coach who's offensively minded because our
22:46
last he's. Basically the opposite of Tom
22:47
Thibodeau. Pretty much we're getting right
22:49
into sports. Yeah let's go. Do you miss. New York.
22:52
I miss aspects of it I miss my family. I miss the pizza.
22:55
I miss the bagels. I miss the pasta. What how long have you been in
22:57
Denver now? Six years. Yeah. You moved here before Covid, right?
23:00
Yeah, but I was in New York when Covid hit and they shut everything
23:03
down. Oh, wow. It was intense. Ghost town, New York. Oh my God.
23:08
Scary. Really. Some I am legend type. If you could bring one thing
23:11
from New York to Denver, what would you bring? Pizza. Duh.
23:16
Do you think the pizza here is as bad as they say it is? Yes.
23:19
Or do I just not mind bad pizza? It doesn't.
23:21
It doesn't rise like New York and the dough is completely different.
23:25
Do we need more Italians here? I don't even know because there's
23:28
dope Mexicans making fire pizza in New York. Yeah, that's true.
23:32
But also, they might have learned it from the Italians.
23:34
Maybe you need Italians there at some point.
23:36
At some point, but I don't know. I think you can do it without them.
23:38
Do you think that's the first time anyone's ever said.
23:40
Do you think we need more Italians here? Maybe. Just kidding.
23:50
We love our Italians. I grew up Catholic. Absolutely.
23:52
All my friends. Are black Italian. I mean, yeah.
23:57
Did you bring your fragrances with you? I want to talk about.
23:59
I sure did. Uh, what do you got? I tell Isaac is like, I got him
24:03
on here. I want him to promote. He's trying to make dollars out
24:06
of scents. Yeah. So I have a new fragrance line
24:09
called Forever Sinclair. That's the brand name.
24:12
Um, and it's literally just a perfect marriage of essential
24:16
oils and Egyptian oils. So I have a guy in New York who
24:21
gets Egyptian oils, literally just straight from Egypt. What would.
24:25
Hope so? Imported into New York. What if they're not from Egypt?
24:28
I guess that people lie all the time. I mean, people lie all the time.
24:30
I mean, like, I'm from Zimbabwe and it could be anything,
24:33
but I mean. MAGA. Hats. I've been making fragrances for
24:37
myself for at least the past 20 years. Isaac does.
24:40
You can't tell right now, but you can. He smells good all the time.
24:44
I try to, you know, there's there's just people out here that don't even
24:46
recognize that they don't smell good. I feel like I smell pretty good.
24:49
Yeah, I used I'm not a big Cologne, dude. I do buy expensive soaps.
24:53
But the thing is about Cologne is there's like. Or whatever it is.
24:55
Four different alcohols for every Cologne.
24:58
So anytime you walk in a American Eagle or Sephora, it's the same
25:02
smell. It's all the same stuff. And that's why I never thought
25:04
about that. No alcohol, no alcohol. It's a perfect marriage. Exactly.
25:10
So you can drink it and drive I forever. Sinclair's the name.
25:14
I have 13 signature scents, which is pretty crazy.
25:19
Well, how long does it take to. How did you get into this?
25:21
First of all? Well, I was living in Bed-Stuy,
25:23
Brooklyn, and I stumbled upon this little shop, this little
25:28
mom and pop shop, and this guy had a bunch of oils in his back,
25:31
but I wasn't going there for oils. I was going there for incense.
25:34
And he was like, you should smell this.
25:36
And I was like, oh, cool, it smells great.
25:38
And then I got two scents from him that I loved and wore for
25:41
like 15 years. And then I was like, all right,
25:44
finally you got to give me a crash course on all of these scents.
25:47
And I spent like an hour and change with him, and he closed the store
25:50
for me, which is kind of crazy. He was just like, wow, my friend.
25:56
He's a he's a good dude. But I gave him my album and he
25:59
was just so ecstatic. He was like, man,
26:02
I love your music. It's so good. And then he closed the store and
26:05
gave me rundowns of like almost every oil there.
26:08
And I was like, okay, well, so. He's like, is he like old?
26:11
He's older. He's like in his 70s. He's like a sensei of sense.
26:14
Sense. Oh, a sensei. You know, that's not the first
26:17
time I heard that. Oh, damn it. I thought I was clever.
26:19
I'm usually pretty clever. But I might have to roll with it.
26:22
It's. Damn it, it's good, it's good, but.
26:24
Yeah, I mean, I honestly love tying in. I'm huge on on on like sense.
26:30
Are they. Unisex? I have a they are unisex. Um.
26:33
And you can wear I mean, I've, I have things that I've put on
26:37
that smell different on everyone. So, you know, I could roll the
26:41
same roll on you and on myself, and it'll smell different.
26:44
That's not a thing with Cologne. No, it's because of the alcohol.
26:48
The alcohol reacts to alcohol. Yeah, it's. It's weird.
26:51
So everybody's pheromones. Some people, it makes them smell bad.
26:53
Some people it makes them leave their family. Some.
26:57
Some things that makes people cheat. Yeah. It makes you drink. Yeah.
26:59
Sometimes you end up in prison. Sometimes you smell good,
27:02
though. Exactly, exactly. So, I mean, I love it,
27:04
I really enjoy it. And it's great because the best
27:07
part about it is like, not even necessarily the signature scents.
27:10
It's the when I get the emails or text messages or DMs that say,
27:13
hey, can you replicate this? Or I want to smell like the wood
27:19
from Toy Story. Yeah. The baseboards in Toy Story. Exactly.
27:25
So that's that's the most fun part for me because I get to now
27:29
have homework for my nose. Homework for your nose? Yeah.
27:32
That's, uh, there's people in Denver that be
27:34
doing homework for their nose. Yeah. I mean, it's extracurricular.
27:36
It means a little something. Yeah. They're not doing homework.
27:38
They're doing extracurricular. After school activities.
27:41
If you sometimes during school activities, never once. Hello.
27:44
Bathrooms at lock. Sometimes. Oh, man. So what's your like?
27:50
What do you think? Uh, we have a lot of single male
27:52
listeners out there. Give them a pitch on why they
27:53
should use this to smell better. Well, we're trying to get people laid
27:57
on this podcast. I would say, for. Right, Jack. For both ladies and men.
28:02
I think that taking care of yourself outside of fragrances.
28:07
They already know how to get. You know what I mean?
28:09
They're better with it. They don't, though,
28:10
because girls don't really? You're saying you're single?
28:12
I guess you know better than I. Um. I like this, girls.
28:15
What do you mean? Girls don't have. Girls don't have game. They.
28:18
They wait for guys to either. We're generalizing here.
28:21
Don't get mad. Yeah, we're generalizing here.
28:23
I would say the majority of girls don't have game.
28:26
If they really are interested in you, they will put themselves in a
28:29
position to be seen. And that's the game. That's the game.
28:33
So either you pay attention to the signs.
28:35
Men are really bad at that, I think. Yeah, because we're not locked in.
28:38
But like then three years later you'll be sitting there like
28:41
reading or watching a TV show and you're like.
28:43
Damn it, remember that girl that gave me the eyes at the airport?
28:45
Yeah. You're like. Oh. Shit. That's. She didn't want to watch a movie.
28:49
I gotta go to Craigslist for casual encounters.
28:51
I should have told her I already seen Creed two. Damn it. Oh my gosh.
28:58
But honestly, yeah, I don't know. So girls don't have game.
29:00
But you could argue that guys don't have game anymore either.
29:02
Oh yeah, for. Our grandfathers they had game.
29:04
They would stalk a woman and stalk her and go to her workplace and
29:07
make himself the only man available to her until they said yes.
29:10
And they also didn't have social media to distract her. Exactly.
29:13
Yeah. That's true. So there's that. That's the the paradox of too many
29:17
options. Yeah. Overall hygiene. Take care of yourself, people.
29:21
People notice that shit. Please bathe. Please moisturize.
29:24
Especially here in Colorado. Please, please. Yeah. White people.
29:29
You can get ashy, too. All right. Listen, you totally can.
29:31
You totally can. You can crack. And, you know,
29:34
they say this term black don't crack, but there's a contingency.
29:38
You got to take care of it. Yeah. It could. It could easily.
29:41
Be Morgan Freeman. No, listen. He's looked 70 since he was 30.
29:45
I love. Morgan. But he. Has. He has he has been. He's been 70.
29:49
Since he's been 76. 87 since lean on me. The first.
29:52
Bush. Yeah. The first Bush movie. Or. Presidency? He's been.
29:56
That's funny. All right. So? So. Yeah. So pitch man. Why?
29:59
They should smell good. So, guys. We don't have any female listeners.
30:02
I'm just kidding. That's a shame. No, we do, actually. We do.
30:06
Fellas, take care of yourself. Like, Andy, you know, it shows when
30:09
you take care of yourself. Honestly. And that's the most attractive thing.
30:12
It's not necessarily having a game and going and having a line
30:15
that you talk to a girl, they could see it on you.
30:17
So if you take care of yourself, you have the love for yourself.
30:20
They're going to want to love the love that you have for yourself.
30:24
I gave you that one for free. I like that this is from a man
30:26
that has a lot of game. I used to play basketball in
30:30
high school, and I'm 40 now, and I. You're 40. I am.
30:33
When's your birthday? April 23rd. Oh, shit. 85. 40s are great.
30:39
I don't know about them yet, I mean. Oh, you'll be fine.
30:41
Fresh couple months in. You ain't got no kids. Nah, nah.
30:46
Nothing tying you. Down. I got sneakers and I got drums.
30:49
Those are my kids. Those are my kids. I feel like.
30:53
A sneaker thing's, like, kind of died off a little bit.
30:57
You know what I'm talking about. It's weird because there's such
30:59
hype culture when it comes. Hype culture in general actually is
31:02
dying off. Like the thought of God. Honestly, you're.
31:04
Not seeing, like, supreme hoodies like you used.
31:06
Do you think it's because people are poor or because that's corny or both?
31:09
No, I don't know if they're poor. I feel like they're just wising up.
31:14
There are the younger generation that are still on the hype,
31:17
but I feel like they will never know what it feels like to stand
31:21
on line at a footlocker for a release that may not come back out.
31:24
So you're saying the internet ruined everything? Oh, yeah.
31:26
But it's also great because now I can get my favorite shoes from
31:29
when I was a kid. That's true. On Instagram,
31:32
through someone's story. It's like a double edged sword.
31:34
Shout out to eBay all kicks because I literally get all my shoes from him.
31:38
Yeah, no free ads. I'm just. Kidding. Hype culture is dying. I hope so.
31:43
Let's get back into, you know, actually going. No more Drake shit.
31:46
You know what I mean? Do you see, he bought abs.
31:48
I did see that. And I was. Like. Sir. But he really see that he, like,
31:54
paid to get, like, ab implants. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
31:57
What kind of a fucking psycho shit is that when you already
31:59
have $400 million? He's just doing the most.
32:01
I think he's just still trying to get Rihanna, man. He's always at a ten.
32:05
Do you think it's just because Rihanna will never.
32:07
Or is it Nicki Minaj? Which one is he in love with?
32:09
I mean, if you're if you're. Rihanna. Right? You could be Rihanna.
32:12
You could literally have anybody you want.
32:13
The thing is, he's so I feel like he's just weird. He's just a weirdo.
32:17
There's something off about him, man. Yeah, like music is cool,
32:20
but then you get to, like, talking with him and he's just not there.
32:23
You can, like, see through his ears. In high school,
32:25
he would have been like that theater kid that was trying to look like.
32:27
He was, like, tough, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. I mean, he's mixed.
32:31
And, you know, I'm sure. Like, and Canadian,
32:34
they're just automatically. There is a thing with that, I guess.
32:37
Yeah, he's biracial Canadian. But don't harp down on the
32:40
theater kids because that was me. I know, but they are, like,
32:42
weird. He was a band kid. I can say whatever I want.
32:46
You know, I mean, like, they're not tough. No, they're not tough.
32:49
They're not, like. Unless you play on the basketball
32:51
team and on the bowling team. Yeah. You're not.
32:53
I'm not like a theater kid. Like the people that make that, like,
32:55
their whole identity. Oh, yeah. For sure. They have the billions of.
32:58
People forget he started as an actor, but that future album he did
33:01
with was pretty sick. Yeah, I never even watched Degrassi,
33:04
funny enough. No, it's Canadian bullshit.
33:06
Who gives a. Fuck? How did that make it to the States,
33:08
though? It was on Nickelodeon. Yeah, but Nickelodeon's a very
33:10
Canadian company, if you look into it. Oh, really?
33:12
Yeah, they're sort of infiltrating us.
33:13
It's like a miss 13 programming to make Canada seem cool.
33:18
I did not know that. Yeah. Nickelodeon. It's a tool.
33:21
I mean, I love the old school Nickelodeon.
33:22
I don't know about this new. Even back then.
33:24
Like, what was that show with the slime? Uh oh. Um. Guts? No.
33:29
Like, uh, um, Alanis Morissette was on it. Yes, that was Canadian.
33:35
Marc Summers is Canadian. Like a lot of those shows started
33:37
in Canadian. Oh, wow. Yeah. So I think it's a tool of the
33:39
Canadian deep state. Interesting. I love Canada though. I love.
33:43
Canada rules. Actually. Toronto is a great city.
33:46
Toronto is great. But it's like kind of an
33:48
international city, like London or New York.
33:50
Have you ever been to like Vancouver? Yeah, I haven't been there,
33:53
but I've been to New Brunswick. No, that's like French Canada a
33:57
little bit still. Okay. Very weird there.
33:59
I will say like, we have better like like we bang a little harder, you
34:03
know what I mean? Like, it's sort of. I always say Canada is kind of
34:06
like when you get the cereal, like the American culture version
34:09
of this, it's like, you know, at the bottom there's like the
34:11
cereal that's in the bag, but it's like the fake Lucky.
34:14
Charms that's at the bottom of the That's Drake. That's like Drake.
34:20
Is with the no frills. Yeah. He's just like the fake. Like.
34:24
Sort of like he's Hydrox. I could see that.
34:27
I mean, the thing is, I love early Drake.
34:29
Do you think he got a BBL to God? That's gotta be the question.
34:34
That's the song, right? BBL, Drizzy. It is. I mean, fake abs.
34:38
Or maybe he's just into fake asses. Yeah.
34:42
Do you guys think Drake's cooked? And if so, what.
34:44
No I don't think he's cooked. I don't think he's cooked.
34:47
I think that. I think he's too famous.
34:49
I think he benefited from all this. Kendrick 100%.
34:52
There's no like, you know, there's no such thing.
34:53
And people think like, oh, Drake's career is over because
34:56
he got a diss track. He's too famous for his career.
34:58
He didn't have to make any music and stay relevant.
35:01
No, he's crossed the Mendoza line of fame where he'll always be relevant,
35:04
for sure. And he's like, good looking.
35:06
And he's you know what I mean? He's Canadian. Money.
35:08
He can go anywhere. And people recognize.
35:09
Yeah, he's Canadian. There's what, three cool people
35:11
there like The Weeknd. Steve Nash, one of them.
35:14
Yeah, but is he cool or is he just good at basketball?
35:17
I think he's just good at basketball. Yeah, I don't think he's cool.
35:19
Like, would you want to get a beer with Steve Nash? I don't think so.
35:21
Maybe. Actually, yes. Because he's got good basketball fan.
35:24
Yes. Yeah, yeah, you're right,
35:25
but I don't want to talk to him about movies. No, I will not talk.
35:28
Oh, actually, doesn't he make movies? That's news.
35:32
I think he made some documentaries. Whatever. That's news. I don't. Know.
35:36
How is this dude going to be okay after, like.
35:39
Because he's a sociopath? Yeah. Drake's going to be okay
35:42
psychologically because Drake is a sociopath.
35:44
That's how he got that famous. Why would you get fake abs?
35:47
You're six four. He's probably. He has to have hair implants at this
35:50
point, right? I mean, everything you. Don't get fake abs isn't the
35:53
first thing you get. You know what I'm saying? No.
35:56
You go to Turkey and you get the hair plugs.
35:58
Yeah, or he's probably rich enough. He just came to him, but, like.
36:02
Like, that's not the first alteration to your body.
36:04
You don't start with fake abs. If you're a guy.
36:07
I would see how first fake abs. What else?
36:11
What else is going above abs? You take your shirt off. BBL.
36:14
PBL na. Lip injection. Na na. That's all. That's abs first.
36:23
If I were to get any work done. Yes. Do you think.
36:25
Women like abs, or do you think other men like. Abs?
36:27
No, I think I think both. Yeah, yeah. But I think women love abs.
36:31
Sometimes I feel like the body sculptor guys on Instagram.
36:34
It's like mostly other dudes that are. But honestly, that's fine.
36:36
Having abs like that right now, it's not even technically in the dad bod,
36:40
is it? Yeah, abs are corny, right? As I say, as an overweight.
36:44
Guy, yeah, I would say no. That's an overweight.
36:47
I'm trying to get my. Abs are corny, abs are out.
36:50
What's in right now is being, like, pretty overweight and not
36:53
taking care of your body. Yeah, I. Think and pickleball.
36:56
And pickleball, pickleball, drinking, being overweight, it's all bad.
37:00
I mean, look at Leonardo DiCaprio. Oh, my gosh, that's such a shame.
37:03
He's got a new girl born after nine, 11 every three weeks or whatever.
37:07
Sad but true. Sad but true. So what's up with talk?
37:12
Oh, man, we're doing good. We're writing so much music,
37:16
and I think that. I feel like you guys have been taking
37:18
a little time off of playing live. Yeah, I think the industry in itself,
37:21
you know, I mean, Jack was just talking about this.
37:23
It's in a weird place, like no one's trying to kill
37:25
themselves on tour anymore. I know. Like, we would love.
37:28
Andy. Frasco. Yeah. I mean. Andy Frasco last tour for his
37:32
upcoming tour dates. We are playing together
37:34
August 2nd at Levitt Pavilion. Anyway, shout out to Andy for,
37:38
you know. It helps that. He's killing himself on tour because
37:40
he's making the world a better place. One jump from the stage at a time.
37:45
One at a time. Exactly. Every day. You guys don't know this,
37:48
but he makes me do it before we record the podcast. Wow.
37:51
That's dedication. I'm his boytoy. His beautiful goyim. That's so funny.
37:56
But, yeah, we're doing good. We're just writing a bunch of
37:58
music and not trying to kill ourselves on tour. That's cool.
38:01
Yeah. I mean, he's got kids. Yeah. I feel like.
38:04
Honestly, everybody's probably gonna have kids before me,
38:06
and I'm the oldest. I feel like Matt is coming for Matt.
38:08
Oh, it's coming for Matt. I know his wife.
38:10
It's coming for his wife. I'm loving her TikToks.
38:12
She's hilarious. She's like, she should be an actress.
38:15
Uh, well, I mean, these days, all you gotta do is be on TikTok.
38:18
They did a great video the other day where, like, he was just saying
38:21
a random person's name, and then she would do an impression of him.
38:23
But it was just like an impression of a guy named Phil. Not.
38:25
Oh, yeah, not a famous. Yeah, she's. She's snapped into it so fast.
38:28
I know she's good. She's good. She's a star.
38:31
There's a there's a game that I like to play with my girl.
38:33
And it's called you. Have a. Girl. Name that person I sure do.
38:36
Breaking news. Hard launch. Isaac Thiel is taken. Oh.
38:41
Sorry, ladies. She is the greatest person.
38:44
I ain't even gonna put her on blast like that. Just know that.
38:46
She's a Denver gal. No, she's a queen.
38:49
I'm not even gonna put her where she's at.
38:50
Okay, that's fair, but she doesn't live in Denver. No.
38:52
Smart long distance is great, man. Yeah, you know it is. And it isn't.
38:58
Me and my girlfriend were long distance for, like, a year. One time.
39:00
It was maybe the best year of my life.
39:02
Yo, honestly, absence does make the heart grow fonder.
39:05
Yeah, it does, but I'm huge on solitude, so. And she lived here.
39:08
I was on tour all the time, so it's like, even if we lived together,
39:11
it's not like we saw each other basically the same amount.
39:14
That's fair, that's fair. Oh, but I was telling you about
39:16
the game. Game? The game is whenever you go to a
39:18
restaurant. Oh, yes. You try to guess people's names.
39:23
Oh, that's pretty fun. So. And if you do it right,
39:26
you can get your waiter or waitress on it in on it. Oh, yeah.
39:29
And they can actually confirm because they have the credit card.
39:31
It's called the name game. She invented it.
39:32
You know what I would do? I would just guess Muhammad for
39:35
everybody cause that's it's the most common name in the world.
39:37
Read a book for once. Yeah. So you just guessed Muhammad for
39:41
everyone. One name. Yeah. What are your Irish.
39:44
When you got the ID? Yeah. Either Muhammad or John for men.
39:48
And I don't know what it would be for women. You know, it's funny.
39:50
She's really good at the game. I just started being really good
39:52
at it. But a lot of Mats and Ryan's
39:55
around here. Oh, yeah. You're in Denver. It's it's.
39:57
There's a good amount of nicks. It's Denver. So not that many jacks.
40:01
Not many jacks. It's like a boomer name.
40:04
Yeah, it's like a guy who. Yeah. Jack's like a I just got home
40:07
from World War Two name. Sports reporter that they hung
40:14
out with the bar. That's cool. That's a great story.
40:17
A drunken sports. I feel like all sports reporters
40:19
are alcoholics. Oh, yeah. For sure. You know, they're sipping.
40:22
All they do is go to games. SIP it up. Bobo's.
40:28
What's so you ever you ever find out if you're right or not? Right.
40:32
About what? Oh, about their names. Yeah. So you gotta ask.
40:35
I was I was with my lady at the time, and we were in Charleston, and, um,
40:40
I asked the waiter, I was like, so what do you think their names are
40:45
just a random couple across the way. And he was like, I don't know,
40:48
but I'm gonna find out. I was like, okay, don't tell them
40:52
that we want to know their names. Just. Yeah, you just got to find out.
40:55
Chill, bro. Keep it chill. What is your name?
40:58
I guessed Michelle was not her name. Um, and I can't remember what.
41:02
My Michelle's are blonde usually. Yeah, I could see that being a thing.
41:07
This kind of feels like it, probably does because like, I knew
41:09
one Michelle. We were totally off. And then we talked to the couple
41:13
and they were like, what do you think our names are?
41:15
And they said, Rico and Delilah. Well, you're never gonna guess.
41:20
Rico. Somebody said that I'm a Rico. Oh, for you, that's for me.
41:25
That's the dumbest thing. That sounds like a drug dealer
41:27
nickname. Like I'm a character on GTA.
41:30
That's kind of. Racist, actually. Them calling you Rico sounds racist.
41:35
It's just really funny. I was like, that makes no sense,
41:37
but I'll take it. So now we're both Rico and
41:40
Delilah to each other. That's a dangerous game for a white
41:42
person to play with a black man. Yeah, it's. I would still play.
41:45
His name is DeVante Jones. Jones. He put the last name on there.
41:51
God damn DeVante Tayshaun Williams. No it's actually Muhammad.
41:58
One name. Mohammed Moses. Oh my gosh. That's pretty funny.
42:04
Play the name game guys. It's so much fun. Yeah.
42:06
So talk's gonna be back, huh? So you guys are gonna be back in
42:08
the fall? What are you doing? Actually, we're going to be here in
42:10
Denver at Levitt Pavilion. Oh, yeah. The week after the Andy Show,
42:13
August 16th. You got my boy. What? Michael Wilbur opening.
42:16
Yeah, man, we've played a lot of music with him.
42:17
We recorded a song he's killing. He's like, the best sax player in the
42:21
world. I say. Ah, that's debatable. Well, from this perspective.
42:24
But that's my guy, though. No, no, I'm not saying like the most
42:26
like I'm not saying he's like the best sax player in terms of like,
42:31
fun to listen to or like even like, but he can play like just like he's
42:35
he literally can play anything. That's what I'm getting at more than
42:38
like and like maybe he's not the best musician on the saxophone ever,
42:41
but like, as far as his limitations on saxophone,
42:44
I don't think he has any. No. And I think his music is killer.
42:48
It's dope. It's so it's like it's like EDM with
42:51
jazz. And he's cool. He's not a. Vanguard. Oh yeah, he's dope.
42:55
He works out. He like respects. He's not like one of those guys
42:57
that's like a badass. Yeah, he's humble, he's chill, and
43:01
he's really easy to get along with. Like writing music with him was Yeah.
43:05
Seamless. He's a creative guy. Loved it.
43:07
He has very basically no limits on the horn, though. He's killing.
43:10
Did you see when he put that, uh, that cone in his.
43:13
That's their thing. It's so sick. They've been doing that forever.
43:16
Oh, man. To mess around with that in the
43:18
studio. Other people are copying that now.
43:20
Oh, yeah, I'm sure of it. Bitches. You should have just put a patent on
43:24
that. Then they're all mad at I. But it's like you're just
43:26
copying them anyway. Oh, yeah. I mean, AI is taking over.
43:29
AI with a parking cone. And not Allen Iverson.
43:32
No, that'd be sick. That'd be sick if they turned
43:33
into Allen. Yeah, he's a badass. So he's opening with you.
43:35
Probably playing with you, too. Yeah, he's going to open,
43:37
and then he'll probably play the tracks that we recorded with him,
43:40
which are 2 or 3. That's cool. Yeah. Should be fun.
43:43
I've been trying to get at Levitt with Talk Forever. Levitt rules.
43:46
I love. It. It's a free show. It's a great time.
43:49
So that's the eighth. August 16th. Oh, so it's two weeks after.
43:53
Yeah, that's my girlfriend's birthday. Hey, so you're not coming?
43:55
No. That means I am coming. Bring your gal. And she.
44:00
Like good. Times. She likes it. She's probably working.
44:02
On some jam music. She loves jam bands.
44:04
Her favorite bands. Umphrey's McGee. Oh, okay. Girl.
44:07
How does she feel about Chris not being in the band?
44:09
Well, she's not that into it. Oh, okay. She hasn't. Seen.
44:10
Him yet. She's not, like, a dork. She just likes to go to their shows.
44:14
You know what I mean? Fair enough. She's too attractive to be that
44:16
unknown for. You. Oh. That's amazing. Yeah.
44:23
No, she likes Umphrey's and talk and all that kind of stuff.
44:25
She's a rocker. Well, I appreciate her for
44:27
liking talk. She'll come out. Maybe I'll bring her out.
44:29
She's not working some Elton John or something, you know.
44:32
She's always working. She worked for Metallica a
44:34
couple weeks ago. I wanted to go to that show.
44:37
I kind of don't like Metallica. I don't care about them.
44:39
But I wanted to go. Just to see. Yeah, I bet it rips.
44:42
Yeah, I was talking to Jeremy. What's your favorite? Like?
44:45
Okay, so you're probably not like a big metal guy, right? I like racist.
44:49
Stuff, like. But. Okay. So who's your favorite metal band?
44:52
Dream theater. Oh, okay. You like the polished? Sort of.
44:56
I can't do his voice, though. It's Mike Portnoy for me, though.
44:58
Mike Portnoy is like the opposite of Lars. It's him. For me.
45:02
He's the opposite of Lars as a drummer. Yeah, but I just love.
45:08
I love his playing. I think it's tasty.
45:11
And for, like, what they're doing, it's like it's perfect.
45:13
Did you ever, uh, check out Liquid Tension Experiment? No. What's that?
45:17
It's like dream theater without a singer. It's like.
45:21
I think it's. Yeah. So it's basically instrumental
45:24
dream theater. It's, like, mostly the same guys.
45:25
I can't remember the guitar players. Okay, I.
45:28
Will definitely check that out. Is it Patitucci?
45:31
I mean, he's playing jacks like I like girls.
45:33
I don't. Know. I get laid, dude. I. Don't care. Dream theater.
45:38
Okay, what about like, of those 80s ones that are, like,
45:40
more famous, like Metallica, mines, Megadeth? They're sneaky good.
45:44
You should check it out. I would go Primus.
45:46
Ooh, they're playing Red rocks tonight.
45:48
Tonight? They got that new drummer. Did you audition for that?
45:53
I definitely didn't. I didn't even get a call, which
45:55
I'm not. No, it wasn't like that. You just like, threw. It was like. A.
45:57
Oh, you gotta throw in a little audition tape. Yeah.
46:00
Some guy one in Arkansas. Uh frasco knows him, can't remember
46:02
what band he's in. But I didn't even. Isn't that crazy? I mean.
46:06
To go from that to getting that gig. It's crazy to get big gigs like
46:10
that in general. But he didn't like scale up.
46:12
He went from like local band from Arkansas to. I. Mean.
46:17
He went from playing garages to. And he like, won it through like
46:19
a televised audition, which is kind of a lot. Good for him.
46:22
That's like the American Idol way of things. Yeah, I like it.
46:25
It is kind of. Yeah. I don't mind those singing shows
46:28
sometimes. Oh, no,
46:29
some of them are really ridiculous. I actually auditioned for
46:31
American Idol back in the day. You should do the voice.
46:34
The voice is killing. I like the voice because they
46:36
don't have, like, they don't make fun of people they don't like,
46:39
have bad people on. Just like, right. Just to rip folks.
46:41
I think they do that less in American Idol now.
46:43
I think probably someone probably did it, did the thing,
46:46
you know what I mean? Last time I actually watched one
46:47
of those shows. Sometimes when I'm it's uplifting.
46:50
If you just put on YouTube and put on best auditions, America's Got Talent.
46:54
Do you know about the, um, Sunday's Best?
46:57
It's the gospel version of that. Oh my God, yes, I do know about this.
47:00
I used to watch it, I told him. Yeah, it's probably way better.
47:04
It's killing. It's like so many runs. That's the one that I actually
47:08
did watch. More than anything. When gospel singers start competing,
47:11
it can go wrong. Oh, it can go really bad.
47:13
But some of the judges, some of the. I mean, it was Kirk Franklin.
47:17
I was gonna say I. Was the first person I was.
47:18
Gonna. Say. It's Kirk Franklin, too,
47:20
judging that shit. Donnie McClurkin, I think was.
47:22
And he's an OG. What about, like, um, Melvin?
47:25
Yolanda Adams was like the. And she's a great singer.
47:28
Kim Burrell ever on it? Yeah. I don't know if she was a judge,
47:30
though. People got kind of mad at her
47:32
recently. I can't remember why. Who's the singer?
47:33
That was like asking people to donate more. He's going to lock the doors.
47:36
Oh, Marvin Sapp, not Melvin. Marvin. Yeah, yeah, Melvin. Marvin Sapp.
47:40
And that was so weird because they took that out of.
47:43
I mean, listen, we don't we can go into the religion.
47:46
Let's go into it of it. I like talking religion.
47:48
It's just really funny how people take certain clips and then run with
47:53
like, that's Bible. Who knows what. Well, yeah, he's also not a pastor,
47:57
is he? I think he is probably. I think he is. Probably got both.
48:01
Yeah, I mean, he's a great musician. But. People don't know this.
48:05
But there was a group from the 90s and 80s called commissioned
48:10
that had Fred Hammond. Oh, shit. Marvin Sapp and like, two other
48:14
dudes that I can't remember. There's a pop version of that band.
48:16
It was. I can't remember what it's called,
48:17
but it was Babyface and L.A. Reid were in the. Oh, yeah.
48:20
Yeah. Um. Cincinnati and Indy. Because Babyface is from
48:23
Indianapolis, right? Yeah. And it was like the groove or
48:27
something real simple. All those badass bands.
48:28
Before those guys get famous, they all have one word.
48:31
Yeah, it was killing. It was like it was boys to men,
48:34
but gospel. What do you think? I have a theory about band names
48:37
now that we're on band names. Oh ho ho ho. Yeah, let's do it.
48:39
Okay, so I remember that jam band thing I posted.
48:41
Did you see that video? I posted some video about?
48:43
Jam band names are all bad. Yes I did. Drug dealer, yada yada.
48:46
But I kind of have had a revelation that almost every band
48:49
name is bad after like 1992, because they're all taken.
48:54
Everything good's taken number one. And I think that people think
48:57
like one guy argued to me. He's like he said,
49:00
Grateful Dead's a good band name. That's they are. That is good.
49:02
But it's also 1965 when they came up. Yeah, I was gonna say that's.
49:05
Phish, I would argue is a bad band name,
49:07
but. I agree. No, no disrespect. I like the band, but but because
49:11
they're famous, it's been so normalized. Oh yeah, for sure.
49:15
That it's people think it's a good band name now.
49:19
It's it's because of the hype. So like. Exactly.
49:22
So it's like our band name is only good if the band gets famous.
49:26
The tree. The tree is that. That'd be a good band name.
49:30
That's better than most of jam band band names out there.
49:32
That doesn't make no sense. I know, but. Nothing.
49:35
But like, what's a sample of like a famous band?
49:37
Like, actually, Radiohead's a good band name. That's a great band.
49:40
Yeah, so maybe I'm wrong, but maybe there's a couple. Left, but.
49:42
They might name their band before 1992. Do you know that band anybody?
49:46
Yeah, that's kind of a good band name.
49:47
That's a great band name and that's a great band. Jazz. Nasty jazz.
49:51
People have more leeway, I think, too, with that. Yeah.
49:53
They also are probably more intelligent.
49:55
Imagine Dragons, do you think? I think I would hate that band
49:58
name if I. I don't know,
50:00
I think that's kind of cool. But are you being affected by
50:03
the fact that they're famous, though? Yes. Yeah. You are.
50:07
I imagine dragons. Yeah. If they were, if they were terrible,
50:11
I'd be like, that's a dumb name. No one imagines that band.
50:15
There's like two people that have ever imagined.
50:17
There's two people that have ever imagined. Dragons.
50:19
J.R.R. Tolkien and, uh, who's the Game of Thrones guy? Oh. Yeah.
50:26
Right. Right, right. George R.R.. Martin. Those are the guys.
50:28
So they you think they like, loved Imagine Dragons?
50:31
No, they probably, like, picked it out of a hat. No, no.
50:34
The write the authors. Do you think? Oh, 000. Sick band likes what I like.
50:39
No, that's what I do I imagine dragons.
50:41
Imagine dragons all the time. That band weirds me out.
50:43
He's too jacked too. I don't like when musicians get too
50:45
jacked like that. Lead singers. Man. Honestly,
50:48
I would love to get jacked like that. But I feel like. You're a drummer.
50:50
It's different. Yeah. You're right. It looks cool when you guys are
50:53
in shape. It looks like you practice all the.
50:54
Time, but we don't. But like a guy like Jared Leto's
50:58
a singer. And like, I go on this all the time.
51:00
I'm always harping on Jared Leto, but. Is he jacked?
51:02
Yeah, he's got abs for sure, but he's got, like, skinny guy abs.
51:04
I was gonna say that's different than, like. Heroin. ABS, abs.
51:08
Why don't you get, like, over 44 off? It's difficult, man.
51:11
Especially if you like pizza and pasta and all that.
51:14
Can't eat that stuff and have a six pack. That's, like, impossible. Yeah.
51:17
I want to enjoy my life and die younger. That's.
51:19
You know what I mean? That I, I, you know, it's funny.
51:22
I go to New York and I save my bread intake for New York.
51:26
That makes a hell of sense. So when I come back to Denver,
51:29
it's fruit and juice. Since I got back,
51:30
it's been watermelon, cherries, blackberries, the fruits.
51:33
Really good here, by the way. Yeah, actually. A lot.
51:35
Of it I can't find, like, black seeded watermelon to save my life.
51:38
Yeah, outside of the farmer's market. They're better in the South.
51:41
Oh, that's where they grow. I mean, everything's.
51:43
Better with Costa Rica. There's some peaches out here.
51:45
That slap though. Yeah. If you get them at, like, a little
51:47
stand somewhere on federal. Mhm. Sprouts. Sprouts has good produce.
51:51
They do, but not the one on Colfax. I can't shop at sprouts because
51:55
I can't cook. And sprouts is just like a store
51:56
of ingredients. It really is. That's why I hate about that store.
52:00
Like Trader Joe's is the philosophical opposite of sprouts.
52:04
If you go to Trader Joe's, it's like, oh, it's delicious.
52:06
If I had to pick one and never go to the other one again, I think I
52:09
would probably pick Trader Joe's. Yeah, they have hidden snacks.
52:12
They have delicious things in every corner.
52:14
They also have really good ginger. They sell produce. They what?
52:17
Ginger snap cookies. I'm a fiend. You are? Yes. Anything? Ginger.
52:21
Honestly, I didn't think you really ate desserts. You kind of give me.
52:23
Like I don't eat dessert. I am a sweet.
52:25
I could see you being like. I don't eat white flour.
52:27
Oh, man, I wish I'd have a six pack. We have a eight.
52:31
Pack if I didn't eat white flour. But I'm from.
52:34
I'm born and raised in New York, so it's really difficult to not. Get.
52:38
A kaiser roll or a sesame. Bread. Or, you know,
52:42
pizza and pasta and croissants. Er. I mean, bagels aren't really
52:47
good anywhere but there, huh? Unless it's like somebody from.
52:51
It's very rare. I would put them in the whole
52:54
East Coast. It's kind of like I've had great
52:57
bagels from Pennsylvania. Fair enough. And Jersey.
53:00
Where there's more Jewish people. Right?
53:02
Wherever there's Jewish people. It's like kind of like.
53:04
But like, it's just much easier. You can get a good bagel here,
53:06
but it's much easier to get a good bagel on the East Coast.
53:09
And like, at, just like by a gas station.
53:11
I was gonna say, you can go to the corner store. Yeah, exactly.
53:16
Most bodega spot and just get a bagel and just be like, yo, just
53:21
put butter and jelly on a toasted. And it's like, the best thing here.
53:23
You have to go to, like, a store. The place that has, like,
53:25
an Instagram account. They're in Denver food scene.
53:29
Yeah. Best bagel in Denver. It's just as good as New York,
53:32
we promise. Get in here right now. An iced coffee is 750. No!
53:37
You fucking lying. The lines around the door and
53:39
it's 95 degrees outside. Everybody's hungover from
53:42
cocaine the night. Before, but come get your best bagel.
53:44
Yeah, but get us in every get everything bagel.
53:48
Oh, that sounds so good. Right now. We're across the street from a
53:50
music venue. That does sound good right now.
53:54
Yeah, it's kind of like fried chicken in the South.
53:56
You can just get, like, the best meal you've ever had.
53:58
Literally at a gas station. It's the best. Out of gas.
54:00
I'd be getting gas three times a day. There was this gas station in Texas.
54:03
I can't remember because I was on tour, and I literally just woke up
54:05
and they were like, yo, this is supposed to be the best spot to get
54:07
barbecue. And I was like, what? We're the gas station.
54:11
Looks like something out of. And then it was.
54:12
And it was fire. It was so good. I got a pulled pork sandwich and
54:17
potato salad and baked beans, and it was like,
54:19
better than anything I've ever had. Barbecue is another one of those
54:21
things that's been like, uh, gentrified.
54:24
Oh, and you get it here and it's like, comes on like a prison tray,
54:28
and it looks. And you get like one slab of beef.
54:30
There's a new place by my house that's pretty good.
54:32
I'm not gonna give him a free plug, but.
54:33
Okay, I'll get that information from you later.
54:36
No, it's like it's right by sprouts. It's like where that Steve snap
54:39
and the dog used to be. Okay, it's pretty good, man.
54:41
Uh, but it's like good servings. You get to pick your own amount
54:44
of sauce. Okay? Don't put the sauce on it for me,
54:46
motherfucker. Nah, you better put the sauce on it
54:49
and. Make. The sauce. Give me sides. I want sides of sauce. Yeah.
54:52
They've, like, made all barbecue a la carte. Now that's weak.
54:55
It's like you're going to MCL cafeteria.
54:57
Give it to me in a brown paper bag and it's greasy. Yeah.
55:00
I'm not trying to, like. That's what I. Want.
55:02
I'm here for one reason only. Here for a good time.
55:05
Not for a long time. Mhm. Anyway, back to this religion thing.
55:08
Yes. You're a spiritual man right. I would say so. Yes.
55:10
Do you ever ever ever like have issues with this hedonistic Denver
55:14
lifestyle, that lifestyle that people have. Yeah. But I don't let.
55:17
Like how do you balance that. Because I mean you're not like a
55:20
saint, you know, you're not like a, you know, you're not celibate guy.
55:23
You're not like a I mean, you're on the you're.
55:26
On the taking moments to you're. On the holy end. Yeah.
55:29
I'm just saying you're not like a puritan where you're like,
55:31
telling other people what to do. I don't want to infringe
55:34
anything on anyone. But you don't want them to
55:36
infringe on your life either. So how do you what's like the main
55:39
thing you do to balance that? Pray honestly.
55:43
Because when you talk to God for me. Mhm. Um that's when you see.
55:48
That's what I like about you. You don't really push it on anybody.
55:50
It's not about anybody else. It's literally about my own
55:53
personal relationship with God. And that's why I think relationship
55:56
is better than religion, because religion is man made.
55:58
Religion is a personal relationship that is yours and you cultivate it.
56:04
You understand what it is like that when you live that,
56:08
and you exemplify that, no one could ever take that from you, number one.
56:12
And then you don't have to beat people over the head with the Bible.
56:15
Number two, because you are embodying what you
56:19
want people to understand. Yeah. And also like religion as a credit
56:22
card sometimes. Oh, that's big facts. I don't want to fuck it.
56:25
Yeah, it has a bank account. I don't want to fuck.
56:27
I mean, it just goes to show, like churches don't have to pay
56:30
taxes and all that other stuff. Yeah, it's just a it's so crazy.
56:33
So how do you keep it from seeping into your life? These, these.
56:36
There's a lot of demons here. There are a lot of demons.
56:39
It's it's difficult. Honestly, I think that, like I said,
56:41
prayer and being able to like, die to yourself.
56:45
Like, that's one of the biggest things that I do. What now?
56:47
Die to yourself. What does that. Mean?
56:49
So when you look in the mirror and you see some things that you
56:51
really don't like about yourself, you got to come to grips with that.
56:54
Oh, pray about it. Say, listen,
56:55
this is not something that I want to be continuing living in.
56:59
I don't want to be seen like this. These are my vices boom, boom,
57:02
boom and boom. And this is how I need to be able to
57:05
get a grip on them. And honestly. Yeah. It comes with discipline.
57:09
And that's the hardest thing. Discipline our minds first
57:13
because that's where it starts. And then, you know,
57:16
being in a place where you can like communicate that to people.
57:18
So then they're seeing you living out the things that you're talking about.
57:24
And then maybe they do less. Exactly, exactly. Maybe not.
57:26
No cocaine, but less cocaine, but less.
57:28
And then, you know, honestly, progression over perfection.
57:31
You know, you know, if you shoot for perfection, you will fail.
57:34
Uh, another thing with these demons in Denver.
57:38
Well, they're everywhere, but we live in Denver,
57:40
and some of them are very likable people that I get along with. Great.
57:43
Yeah. And it's like, damn it. But you hold them in a box.
57:46
That's true. Like you'll never really see me at,
57:49
like, after parties or anything like that.
57:51
Not because I don't want to be either.
57:52
It's just because I'd rather be on my couch. I try to be home by 2 a.m..
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No, I'm talking about. I'm a late night guy, though.
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Yeah, I'm an insomniac anyway. I mean.
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Once it starts turning to, like, eight dudes in the kitchen,
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I'm out. Bro. I'm not trying to talk about
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whatever business idea. You only have too many sausages
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in the kitchen. I'm gone on that. Never. What do they say?
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Never go to a second location with a hippie. Or never go with a hippie.
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See, I don't even know that phrase. Because I don't. Never go to a.
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You never go with a hippie to a second location. It just.
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And then it's six in the morning, see? Regretting every.
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I'm already in my second dream. You have a lot of dreams.
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You sleep well. I think I sleep pretty good.
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You know what? I stopped smoking weed.
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And you slept better. You sleep better.
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And I sleep a million times better. My health is a lot better.
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I'm less inflamed. Oh, yeah? Yeah, because they say sometimes
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that THC reduces inflammation. That's what they said.
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But not everybody relaxes everything differently.
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My gut feels so much better. Maybe you're eating better
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because you're not high. That's part. That's part.
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Maybe it's the side effects. The non greasy chicken
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sandwiches at like 12 midnight. It's more like oh I got some
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grapes in the fridge. I have been really into grapes
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lately yo. I bust down some grapes real quick.
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Put them in the fridge. Oh, man. Put them in the freezer and then
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put them in your freezer. Guy. Huh? They get a little too.
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I like them out of the fridge, but they're good. Out of the freezer.
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Put them in champagne. Yeah, and then thank me later.
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There's this new dessert they have. Or it's like a frozen treat at
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sprouts, where it's like grapes just dipped in sugar. They're frozen.
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It's terrible. It's so bad for you. Like, it turns the roof of your
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mouth into, like, a war zone. But turns turns the roof of your
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mouth into Call of Duty. It's like, sort of a healthier snack,
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but it's like, not, you know, but it is healthier than eating like,
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a pint of ice cream. Is it though? Yeah, because they hurt so bad.
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You only eat four of them. Oh. Fair enough. By the fourth one.
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And you're like, oh my God, fair enough.
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I sour because they're sour too. Yeah. No. All right.
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You probably gotta get to this gig, huh?
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I probably should go, but I appreciate you having me.
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You got anything you want to plug? Shows coming up. Oh, yeah.
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The Levitt? Yeah. Levitt. It's gonna be fun. Free tickets.
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Get on an RSVP. Right. It's free. Right? It is free. I believe it is.
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Um. Look out for forever, Sinclair. DM me if you want to smell good.
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Yeah. All the good things. How much is a bottle?
1:00:04
Um, I have three different sizes. Haha. Thanks for asking.
1:00:08
I appreciate you. Soft, hard and soft.
1:00:10
Okay, so this is the everyday travel size. Whoa. This is 45 bucks.
1:00:14
They won't stop you with that at TCA. They sure won't. This is 75.
1:00:18
It's just a little bit bigger. And how long would you say that
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lasts? This size lasts about a couple
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of months if you use it. Even if you use it every day,
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I think it would last. It's not an everyday thing.
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About three, three months. It could be, it could be.
1:00:30
But I would suggest getting two and rubbing them together. Ooh.
1:00:34
Just like this is 120. Whoa. For, you know, the people who don't
1:00:38
want to hit me up every three months. I like the container.
1:00:41
It kind of looks like a the CBS makeup department.
1:00:44
Yeah, I love this, um, this this little wrap here, I got it.
1:00:48
You can't probably see, but it's gold foil. It's expensive.
1:00:52
Oh, good. Girl. Girl. I know, you fucking lying child.
1:00:57
I know you lying. You got any, uh. What?
1:01:01
Do you have any motivation or, uh. That's what Andy always makes
1:01:03
people do at the end. You got any, like, a message to
1:01:05
the people for this week? Yeah, man. Love everyone.
1:01:07
Honestly, this world is going to hell on a scholarship, so please
1:01:10
don't be a part of that. Literally. Yeah, it is, it is. And it's. Sad.
1:01:15
Because people don't take loving other people seriously.
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Like you don't have to go be up under them, but literally just love,
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love people. It makes a difference. Or at least leave them alone.
1:01:27
Yeah, like love them enough to leave him alone.
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Love him enough to leave him alone. Quote of the day. I like that.
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Love people enough to leave him alone. All right. Thanks, Isaac.
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Appreciate you. Andy. We'll be back next week. Love, Andy.
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I wish I had your fro, but I don't. Bye, everybody. Bye.