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The Pilot From Arkansas And His Boss Pablo Escobar · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. On
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  Speaker 1: April 4th, HBO Max is streaming a new series called
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  Speaker 1: The Invisible Pilot. And this is a TV show about
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  Speaker 1: a gentleman named Gary Betzner who decided that regular life
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  Speaker 1: wasn't for him. So he decided to fake his own
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  Speaker 1: death and go on to work as a double agent
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  Speaker 1: for the CIA and for Pablo Escobar. Now, you want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about a wild story in the war on drugs? Folks,
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  Speaker 1: this is one of them. Now, there are a ton
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  Speaker 1: of wild stories in the war on drugs, but Gary
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  Speaker 1: Betzner and how he pulled all of this off certainly
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  Speaker 1: is up there on the list. So, let's jump into
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  Speaker 1: this article from the New York Post and get kind
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  Speaker 1: of a preview of what to expect in this upcoming
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  Speaker 1: series on April 4th. Headline, the farmer who faked his
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  Speaker 1: own death to work for Pablo Escobar and the CIA.
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  Speaker 1: This article was authored by Alex Mitchell. Talk about a
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  Speaker 1: crazy idea, huh? I mean, what are you sitting around
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  Speaker 1: one night and you're like, you know what? I'm bored
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  Speaker 1: with my regular life. I got a couple of kids here,
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  Speaker 1: a wife. I'm a farmer. I can't deal with this anymore.
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  Speaker 1: You know what? I'm going to become a double agent.
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  Speaker 1: And not only that, but I'm going to work for
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  Speaker 1: Pablo Escobar on top of it. And then to actually,
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  Speaker 1: you know, put the plan into play and go and
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  Speaker 1: do it. Got to take some courage there. In 1977,
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  Speaker 1: the town of Hazen, Arkansas, was distraught to hear that
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  Speaker 1: Gary Betzner, a local crop duster with three young children,
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  Speaker 1: had a plunge to his death off the steep White
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  Speaker 1: River Bridge. So, this man formulated this whole plan that
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  Speaker 1: he was going to fake his own death, obviously fake
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  Speaker 1: his own suicide, and then, after everybody thought he was dead,
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  Speaker 1: he'd go on and, you know, dive into his other
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  Speaker 1: plot to become this double agent. A pastor broke the
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  Speaker 1: somber news to Polly, Betzner's oldest daughter, from his first
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  Speaker 1: marriage on her sixth birthday. She, like his other two children,
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  Speaker 1: was grief-stricken and confused. Now, I can't even imagine running
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  Speaker 1: this whole story on your family. You got some children,
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  Speaker 1: a wife, and to let them think that you're dead?
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of cruel. But nobody took it worse than
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  Speaker 1: his second wife, Sally, who became so inconsolable, she was
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  Speaker 1: detained in a psych ward of a nearby hospital for days.
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  Speaker 1: The entire town was dumbfounded. as to why a seemingly happy,
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  Speaker 1: financially stable, 30-something-year-old man would leap to his death in
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  Speaker 1: broad daylight, especially the authorities, who only recovered clothes and shoes,
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  Speaker 1: but no body. This guy. I mean, he was so
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  Speaker 1: swift that he figured out how to put all of
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  Speaker 1: this into motion, and had them buying it that he
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  Speaker 1: killed himself, even though they didn't find the body. All
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  Speaker 1: they found was his shoes and some clothes. That's because
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  Speaker 1: there was no body to be found. Betzner faked his
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  Speaker 1: death to live a dangerous double life as a multimillionaire
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  Speaker 1: international drug smuggler for Pablo Escobar, while also mounting a
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  Speaker 1: covert CIA war almost simultaneously. Look, if you were a
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  Speaker 1: pilot back in the day, the 80s, 70s, and you
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  Speaker 1: had a couple of contacts, you could have easily got
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  Speaker 1: into the smuggling game. Because up to that point, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: everything was coming across the border. And before NAFTA, there
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  Speaker 1: were not as many trucks, obviously, pouring in. So it
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  Speaker 1: was definitely a game of cat and mouse back then
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  Speaker 1: to try and get product over the border. Obviously, they
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  Speaker 1: did it very well. But if you had a plane
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  Speaker 1: and you were a pilot, oh boy, the sky was
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  Speaker 1: the limit. Just take a look at George Jung and
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  Speaker 1: what him and his boys were able to do. His
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  Speaker 1: fascinating Stranger Than Life story is the subject of a
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  Speaker 1: new HBO Max docuseries, The Invisible Pilot, premiering Monday, April
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  Speaker 1: 4th at 9 p.m. The three-part eye-opening tale covers Betzner's
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  Speaker 1: unlikely transition from family man to drug maven, wrangling covert U.S.
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  Speaker 1: government operations in Central America. How many times will I
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  Speaker 1: tell you that the CIA has their fingers in all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of places it shouldn't be? Central America is one
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  Speaker 1: of the key places where the CIA has been dicking
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  Speaker 1: around for way too long. And you see the results, right?
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  Speaker 1: You see the damage that they've caused. So the question is,
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  Speaker 1: why do they continue to do the same old shit
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  Speaker 1: that they've always done? We see him as this sort
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  Speaker 1: of Forrest Gump character. He's everywhere. Ari Mark, who co-directs
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  Speaker 1: with Phil Lott, told the Post of Betzner, who is
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  Speaker 1: still alive and is now in his 80s. The docuseries,
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  Speaker 1: executive produced by Adam McKay, who is known for wild
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  Speaker 1: anti-establishment stories like The Big Short, was a dream-come-true collaboration
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  Speaker 1: for the directors. Hey, I love the movie The Big Short.
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  Speaker 1: Fantastic movie. Anything that has to do with the 2008
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  Speaker 1: financial collapse, I find fascinating. Especially considering none of those
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  Speaker 1: jerk-offs went to jail. None of those people went to prison.
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  Speaker 1: All of those bankers, all of those thieves, and none
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  Speaker 1: of them go to jail. A real mystery man. Even
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  Speaker 1: the directors who sat down with Betzner a number of
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  Speaker 1: times through the course of the project say it's hard
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  Speaker 1: to pin down who he really is. He grew up
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  Speaker 1: in the South with an abusive father who left his
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  Speaker 1: mother when Gary was young. Years later, he joined the Navy,
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  Speaker 1: where he served in a communications branch. Betzner also says
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  Speaker 1: he was trained as a pilot learning how to fly
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  Speaker 1: undetected with precious cargo. Well, that would come in handy, huh,
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  Speaker 1: if you want to be a drug smuggler? learn how
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  Speaker 1: to fly precious cargo under the radar, you would be
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  Speaker 1: a top-notch guy for the cartel or for whoever you're
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  Speaker 1: smuggling for. If you have that kind of experience, you're
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  Speaker 1: going to get paid way more than, say, somebody who's
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  Speaker 1: a greenhorn who has never smuggled anything before. He is
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  Speaker 1: cagey about his military service as he is about anything.
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  Speaker 1: And we desperately tried to get his records from the Navy,
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  Speaker 1: Lott said. Whether it was piloting or he was in communications,
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  Speaker 1: he definitely picked up something about evading radar there. Well, look,
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  Speaker 1: if you're a radar guy, right, you're a pilot, you
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  Speaker 1: learn some shit. There's no doubt about it. And if
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  Speaker 1: you're smart, you're definitely going to learn some stuff. So
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  Speaker 1: my guess is Mr. Betzner here learned some stuff while
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  Speaker 1: he was in the military and then took it over
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  Speaker 1: into his civilian life and applied it in this life
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  Speaker 1: of crime. After starting a family in Arkansas, the crop
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  Speaker 1: duster moved briefly to Alaska in 1976 in the hopes
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  Speaker 1: of working in the state's booming oil industry. It was
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  Speaker 1: there he started dabbling in small-time pot smuggling. A year later, Betzner,
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  Speaker 1: an anti-establishment hippie whose love of substances was not limited
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  Speaker 1: to marijuana, was busted in Miami on narcotics charges. Look,
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  Speaker 1: these guys, right, in the old days, the hippies, they
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  Speaker 1: weren't messing around. These dudes were smuggling tons of dirt
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  Speaker 1: weed from Mexico. Brick weed. You know, for those of
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  Speaker 1: you out there who smoked pot in the 80s and 90s,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about. We're not even talking
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  Speaker 1: about middies here, folks. We're talking about straight dirt weed.
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  Speaker 1: And you know how much, how big it is, right?
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  Speaker 1: It's bricked up. It ain't like the weed nowadays. So
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  Speaker 1: these guys were bringing bells of this shit in like
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  Speaker 1: it was hay. He returned to Arkansas, but was picked
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  Speaker 1: up for possession a second time there. His choice was simple,
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  Speaker 1: spend half his life in jail or disappear. Telling not
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  Speaker 1: a soul but his wife, Sally, the two hatched the
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  Speaker 1: plan to fake Betzner's death. She threw his clothes in
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  Speaker 1: the river and told authorities that he jumped off the
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  Speaker 1: bridge outside of their hometown. Imagine how brazen you have
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  Speaker 1: to be here. I'm going to get my wife involved
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  Speaker 1: in this scam. I'm going to have the old lady
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  Speaker 1: throw my clothes into the river. I'm going to make
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  Speaker 1: pretend I'm gone and she's down with it. Most dudes
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  Speaker 1: tell their wife or their girl they're going away for
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  Speaker 1: a weekend and there's a problem. Never mind. Hey, babe,
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  Speaker 1: will you help me disappear forever? Sally was so game
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  Speaker 1: that she even took hypnosis classes with her husband to
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  Speaker 1: deliver her years-long performance as the grieving widow to the townsfolk.
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  Speaker 1: Her nervous breakdown, according to Sally in the documentary, was
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  Speaker 1: part of the act. Folks, this is going to be
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  Speaker 1: a wild documentary. And if I'm being honest, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: too familiar with Mr. Betzner here. You know, there are
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  Speaker 1: so many stories like his throughout the war on drugs,
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  Speaker 1: and each one seems to be more interesting than the next.
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  Speaker 1: But his wife... playing this role for this whole entire
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  Speaker 1: time absolutely insane and I bet you this documentary is
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  Speaker 1: going to be awesome so I'm definitely going to watch
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  Speaker 1: it and then what we'll do is we'll break it
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  Speaker 1: down after it's completed and all three parts are out
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  Speaker 1: and we'll talk about it here on the podcast on
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  Speaker 1: an episode elusive identities after a year of being presumed
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  Speaker 1: dead Betzner was hiding out in Hawaii under a fake
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  Speaker 1: name and would have his family come visit periodically But
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  Speaker 1: then he got busted yet again in his new tropical locale. Again,
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  Speaker 1: Betzner had to go on the run to avoid life
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  Speaker 1: in jail. Only this time he upped the ante and
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  Speaker 1: became truly invisible, even to his loved ones. Untethered, Betzner
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  Speaker 1: entered the underworld of high-profile international drug smuggling. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you got guys like Carlos Leiter who were, you know,
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  Speaker 1: really establishing the air travel at this point for drugs.
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  Speaker 1: And all of these pilots, these American pilots... you know,
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  Speaker 1: for crop dusters and smaller planes, they were definitely getting
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  Speaker 1: in on the action. By 1980, Gary had moved around
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  Speaker 1: the U.S. under several aliases as he began his work
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  Speaker 1: as a smuggler for various groups and cartels, putting his
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  Speaker 1: crop dusting skills and military experience to good use. He
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  Speaker 1: traveled from place to place under the guise of a chiropractor,
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  Speaker 1: a car salesman, a real estate broker, and many other trades,
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  Speaker 1: all while flying planes for his bosses. Fittingly, it all
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  Speaker 1: went down during the height of President Ronald Reagan's failed
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  Speaker 1: war on drugs. Remember the commercials when we were kids,
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  Speaker 1: for those of you who are, you know, in their 40s,
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  Speaker 1: late 30s, or whatever? The egg into the dish, into
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  Speaker 1: the pan as it was cooking? This is your brain.
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  Speaker 1: This is your brain on drugs. And they had you
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  Speaker 1: thinking that marijuana would make you some kind of lunatic
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  Speaker 1: and all this other jazz. Imagine if we would have
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  Speaker 1: used all that money back then that we wasted on
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  Speaker 1: the war on drugs to incarcerate people to actually help
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  Speaker 1: people get better. Just another failure of the American establishment.
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  Speaker 1: He's a shapeshifter and he pulled multiple lives off, Mark said. Betzner,
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  Speaker 1: who retired his birth name for his most frequently used moniker,
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  Speaker 1: Lucas Harmony, quickly accrued an astronomical fortune from his newfound
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  Speaker 1: career while living in South Florida, according to Mark. Most definitely. Look,
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  Speaker 1: these guys were getting points on those loads when they
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  Speaker 1: started to get to a level where they were consistently
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  Speaker 1: bringing in a lot of weight. They would get some
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  Speaker 1: money off of each of those keys that they were
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  Speaker 1: bringing in on the people who were first establishing themselves.
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  Speaker 1: They would get paid by the load, right? Not by
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  Speaker 1: the weight or by the key. But once you had
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  Speaker 1: an established relationship and you were considered someone to be
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  Speaker 1: trustworthy and somebody who was making the organization a lot
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  Speaker 1: of money, you got taken care of a little bit better.
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  Speaker 1: Phil and I spent a lot of time with him
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  Speaker 1: in the Miami and Coconut Grove area, retracing steps. That
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  Speaker 1: guy owes me $ 50 million. Those people owe me $ 100 million.
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  Speaker 1: And you're like, okay, he added. He has all kinds
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  Speaker 1: of stories about trading cars and giving gifts. He was
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  Speaker 1: actually a fairly generous guy. He gave a lot of
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  Speaker 1: it away. His motivation for death-defying runs, where Betzner said
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  Speaker 1: he was once chased by Cuban MiG fighter jets for
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  Speaker 1: flying in their airspace... Wasn't actually about making money, the
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  Speaker 1: director said. You know, a lot of these guys, it's
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  Speaker 1: not about that at all, right? That to start anyway,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of these guys get into it for other reasons.
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  Speaker 1: But of course, the money is a big draw. And
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  Speaker 1: once you start making that money, things change. Every flight
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  Speaker 1: he brought in, he felt like he was being a patriot.
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  Speaker 1: That's a twisted worldview that, in his mind, is 100% correct,
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  Speaker 1: Lott said. I think Gary wants to be extraordinary. It's
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  Speaker 1: such a quintessentially American idea, right? It's like, I'm a
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  Speaker 1: small-town crop duster, but I'm a really good pilot. I'm
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  Speaker 1: really good at what I do. Boy, I can do
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  Speaker 1: better than crop dusting, and I can keep ascending, Mark said.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of these guys who were doing this, as
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  Speaker 1: far as smuggling, started out as crop pilots. Or they
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  Speaker 1: were pilots in the military or whatever. And they realized
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  Speaker 1: how much money they can make bringing in drugs instead.
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  Speaker 1: Escobar's fly guy. In the early 1980s, Betzner made a
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  Speaker 1: new contact to fly for, the notorious Colombian drug lord,
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  Speaker 1: Pablo Escobar. Escobar and him seemed to have a mutual respect,
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  Speaker 1: Mark said. Gary tells a great story of purchasing planes,
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  Speaker 1: and he created Pablo Escobar's Air Force. And it was
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  Speaker 1: several planes, big planes, not just single engines or twin engines.
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  Speaker 1: These were jets, Lott added. And he tells several stories
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  Speaker 1: about spending time flying planes to Chile and just flying
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  Speaker 1: around looking for great valleys and beautiful vistas with Pablo Escobar.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine you come from this small town in America. You're
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  Speaker 1: a crop duster. Next thing you know, you're flying around
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  Speaker 1: with El Patroni. The man himself? Captain Blow? Mr. Make
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  Speaker 1: It Snow? It must be like an unreal feeling, right?
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  Speaker 1: All of a sudden, you're with basically the most powerful
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  Speaker 1: man in the world at that point. Around the same time,
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  Speaker 1: Betzner found another new employer in the United States government.
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  Speaker 1: After catching wise to his illegal dealings, the CIA leveraged
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  Speaker 1: Betzner to do their dirty work of arming anti-communist contra-rebels
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  Speaker 1: in Nicaragua during a black ops mission. To avoid jail time,
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  Speaker 1: Betzner agreed to fly weapons and explosives to the ranch
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  Speaker 1: of John Hull, an American contractor in Costa Rica who
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  Speaker 1: worked with the CIA. Boy, that CIA, they sure are great, huh?
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  Speaker 1: And you know how they armed these Contra rebels, right?
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  Speaker 1: By letting these drugs come into America in the first place.
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  Speaker 1: I did a three-part series on Gary Webb and the
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  Speaker 1: war on drugs. I definitely encourage you to go check
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  Speaker 1: that out in the catalog. It's a very important three-part
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  Speaker 1: series discussing how all of this went down. And the
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  Speaker 1: CIA is firmly entrenched in the middle of the war
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  Speaker 1: on drugs and letting all of this cocaine, which became crack,
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  Speaker 1: come into this country. Specifically, he twice hauled M16 rifles, mines,
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  Speaker 1: and C4 explosives down to the property, bringing back a
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  Speaker 1: near 500 kilos of cocaine, according to an Associated Press report.
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  Speaker 1: So they would use that cocaine, they would sell that cocaine,
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  Speaker 1: so they could arm these rebels, right? It is absurd
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  Speaker 1: to think that the United States government was involved in that,
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  Speaker 1: but they most certainly were. That tension is messed up.
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  Speaker 1: You're dealing with these two kinds of superpowers playing them
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  Speaker 1: off each other in some kind of way, Mark said
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  Speaker 1: of Betzner's unlikely employers. I think for him, and I've
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  Speaker 1: experienced this firsthand, he is so incredibly good at shapeshifting,
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  Speaker 1: at rolling with whatever the situation is and making it work.
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  Speaker 1: Betzner's incredible run came to an abrupt end in 1984
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  Speaker 1: when he was busted in Florida for smuggling Escobar's cocaine.
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  Speaker 1: After being sentenced to 27 years in jail, Betzner spited
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  Speaker 1: the CIA, who he says had guaranteed him immunity from jail,
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  Speaker 1: by testifying to the false flag mission and many more
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  Speaker 1: secrets of government-known drug smuggling. You know, look, I hate
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  Speaker 1: to say I told you folks so, but I told
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  Speaker 1: you so. The United States government, the CIA especially, is
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  Speaker 1: pretty much at fault for opening the floodgates for all
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  Speaker 1: of these drugs to come into America. And then they
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  Speaker 1: have the audacity to turn around and spend money, life,
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  Speaker 1: and resources by engaging in this fake war on drugs
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  Speaker 1: that they're helping to prop up and to push out
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  Speaker 1: across the world. But yeah, let's believe the CIA when
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  Speaker 1: they come out and tell us something about their political
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  Speaker 1: opponents because they're so trustworthy. That's where following your confirmation
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  Speaker 1: bias gets you in trouble. You want to believe the
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  Speaker 1: things that they're saying about your political enemy because, well,
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  Speaker 1: you don't want them to win, right? So, all right,
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  Speaker 1: let's jump on board with the CIA. But for me,
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  Speaker 1: I'll never do it. I just don't trust them. They're
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  Speaker 1: not trustworthy. The things that they have done throughout time
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  Speaker 1: and the things they've been involved with, very hard, very
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  Speaker 1: hard for me to trust anything that they say at
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  Speaker 1: this point. He did so publicly in a 1988 to
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  Speaker 1: a Senate committee led by John Kerry, where he even
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  Speaker 1: pointed the exact runway he landed on in Costa Rica.
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  Speaker 1: But Betzner's policy altering testimony also put him at risk
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  Speaker 1: of pissing off his other boss. Escobar knew where I
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  Speaker 1: was from, my children, that I committed suicide. Betzner says
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  Speaker 1: in the series, apparently he hired somebody in the U.S.
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  Speaker 1: to investigate who I was, like insurance. There was this
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  Speaker 1: implication of collateral, the collateral being his family, Mark said.
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  Speaker 1: There was this sort of unspoken surveillance that Escobar and
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  Speaker 1: his people made very clear to Gary. Look, they didn't
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  Speaker 1: mess around, right? And if you remember in the 80s,
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  Speaker 1: especially down in Florida, down in Miami, there was a
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  Speaker 1: huge problem with drug and gang violence. And a lot
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  Speaker 1: of that was spurred on by Pablo Escobar and the
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  Speaker 1: sicarios he sent to America to settle scores over the
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  Speaker 1: drug trade. Ultimately, Betzner served his full sentence and Escobar
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  Speaker 1: left his family alone. He reconnected with his kids and
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  Speaker 1: now lives humbly with his third wife and no traces
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  Speaker 1: of the many millions that were seized by the feds
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  Speaker 1: at the height of his drug trafficking career. He admits
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  Speaker 1: he lives with a degree of remorse. His family has
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  Speaker 1: clearly had its struggles and I think Gary has and
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  Speaker 1: will continue to admit he regrets that. Mark said he
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  Speaker 1: really embraces this is who he is and this is
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  Speaker 1: the way it is. Well, I'll tell you what, I
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  Speaker 1: am looking forward to this HBO streaming series. We all
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  Speaker 1: know HBO does great work on these kinds of shows usually,
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  Speaker 1: so I am pumped about that. And it starts April 4th. 4th.
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  Speaker 1: So three days from today, Monday. So mark your calendars
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  Speaker 1: down if it's something you're interested in. Let's take a
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  Speaker 1: look at it. And like I said, after it's on
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  Speaker 1: and we see all the episodes, we'll do another wrap
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  Speaker 1: up and we'll talk about what we learned in the series.
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  Speaker 1: All right, folks, that's going to do it for this update.
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  Speaker 1: If you'd like to contact me, you can do that
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  Speaker 1: at bobbycapucci at protonmail.com. That's B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-U-C-C-I at protonmail.com. You can
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  Speaker 1: also find me on Twitter at B-O-B-B-Y underscore C-A-P-U-C-C-I. The
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  Speaker 1: link that we discussed in this article can be found
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  Speaker 1: in the description box. All right, folks, I'll be back
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  Speaker 1: later on. I hope all of you have a great day.