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Credlin | 20 August · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to Credlin. Steep price with you, And
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Speaker 2: as I said last night, relations between Australia and its
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Speaker 2: historically strong ally Israel have reached rock bottom. And that
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Speaker 2: was before Prime Minister Benjamin net Yahoo teed off on
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi overnight. I have more on that shortly. Here's
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Speaker 2: what's coming up on Kredlin tonight. In international affairs from
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Speaker 2: the Russia Ukraine Bloody War and efforts to broker a
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Speaker 2: ceasefire to Gaza and Hamas and the recognition of Palestine
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Speaker 2: by Australia planned others. Luckily for US, Australia's best commentator
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Speaker 2: on world affairs, Greg Sheridan will join me in the
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Speaker 2: studio shortly. While Jim Chalmer's economic roundtable in the Federal
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Speaker 2: Cabinet Room threatens to bore people to death, Sky along
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Speaker 2: with Matt Canavan and our own Ross Greenwood held their
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Speaker 2: own ideas somewhat. Will get the highlights of that through
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Speaker 2: the program tonight. And as the AFL ties itself in
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Speaker 2: raasingly nonsensical knots over player sledging with over the top
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Speaker 2: match bands, we will debate whether on field language slur
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Speaker 2: should ever see the light of day. Plus it is Wednesday,
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Speaker 2: Credlin Highlight. Kel Richards looks at the new words added
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Speaker 2: to the Cambridge Dictionary tonight kell coming up. But first,
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Speaker 2: speaking of words, they almost fail me when it comes
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Speaker 2: by Susi O'Brien in the New News Limited tabloids today
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Speaker 2: that the naming of schools around the country primary and
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Speaker 2: secondary are going to prioritize indigenous titles, not just geographical
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Speaker 2: but things like animal names and the like. And as usual,
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Speaker 2: Victoria is way out in front in another example of
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Speaker 2: pandering to a minority in favor of the majority. Now
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Speaker 2: Victoria's Indigenous population makes up around three percent of the
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Speaker 2: people who live in that state. The state Labor government
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Speaker 2: has announced that First Nation's names will be used for
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Speaker 2: all News schools and campuses from now on. Amazing, isn't it?
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Speaker 2: When these people, these politicians want to rush something through,
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Speaker 2: they can do it immediately. But if you want to
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Speaker 2: say ban the carrying a machetes, well you have to
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Speaker 2: wait weeks and weeks and months and months. Anyway, why
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Speaker 2: are we surprised given Victoria is deep into a secret
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Speaker 2: I mean mentioned secret treaty negotiation with indigenous groups costing
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Speaker 2: millions of dollars that we're not even allowed to know
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Speaker 2: about now, as Susio O'Brien reports today, And you won't
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Speaker 2: believe this. When this was first announced, the Education Minister
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Speaker 2: said the move was aimed at ensuring the history, culture
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Speaker 2: and languages of Victoria's first people's was embedded in our
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Speaker 2: education system. The minister went on quote embracing First Nations
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Speaker 2: languages in school names will contribute to the ongoing process
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Speaker 2: of reconciliation. No, it won't. It will simply make you
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Speaker 2: feel good about yourself for yet another virtue signaling move
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Speaker 2: that does zero to help Indigenous poverty and make it
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Speaker 2: impossible for many parents to explain what the name of
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Speaker 2: the school even is. You don't believe me. We'll try
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Speaker 2: these on for size. Six new schools have opened this
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Speaker 2: year in Victoria. That's the good news. Well the bad news,
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Speaker 2: well they're names.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: Have a look at this barry Yip Primary. Now you
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Speaker 2: say it apparently bar ray Yip. Now you've got Cuym
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Speaker 2: Primary in Pakenham, it's pronounced Kuyim. You've got Mini Yan
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Speaker 2: in Clyde North, which you say apparently mern e Yan
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Speaker 2: meaning in Bunenrong language. Moon. The previous two refer to
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Speaker 2: kangaroos in spring. Now, look, I won't torture with all
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Speaker 2: six names and my mangling of them, but seriously, a
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Speaker 2: Herod's on poll today attached to this story has attracted
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Speaker 2: almost seven thousand votes, with ninety five percent of people
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Speaker 2: preferring location appropriate names. You know, like Geelong Primary School
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Speaker 2: or Foots Gray High And how have we come by
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Speaker 2: these place names? Well, of course we needed the traditional
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Speaker 2: owners group in a week when we learn alarming numbers
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Speaker 2: of year nine boys according to Napplan results who can't
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Speaker 2: even understand punctuation and spelling with appalling literacy skills, wouldn't
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Speaker 2: we be better off teaching the basics? Clearly not said
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Speaker 2: to Cameron. Now for Tonight's political Headlines with scott One
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Speaker 2: News political reporter Rubenspago.
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Speaker 4: Israel's Prime minister has been accused of lashing out over
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Speaker 4: Australia's support of Palestine. Benjamin Netanyahu labeled Anthony Aberzi week,
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Speaker 4: taking the already rocky relationship to a new low.
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Speaker 5: Well, I treat leaders of other countries with respect, I
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Speaker 5: engage with them in a diplomatic way.
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Speaker 1: Strength is not measured by how many people you can
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Speaker 1: blow up or how many children you can leave Hungary.
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Speaker 4: This week there has been tit for tat over visa cancelations.
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Speaker 6: The Prime Minister needs to explain how he is going
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Speaker 6: to get this relationship that he has so badly mismanaged.
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Speaker 7: Back on track.
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Speaker 4: Anthony Albanezi is not alone. Benjamin Etna hupenned an almost
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Speaker 4: identical letter of condemnation to France's president. The federal government
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Speaker 4: is facing the stark reality of an overstretched NDIS system.
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Speaker 4: It will begin shifting children with developmental issues or mild
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Speaker 4: autism off the program and onto a new scheme called
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Speaker 4: Thriving Kids. According to new analysis, seven to ten people
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Speaker 4: who joined the NDIS in the past year had a
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Speaker 4: primary diagnosis of autism. Most were children.
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Speaker 8: This will be hard for some parents to hear, and
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Speaker 8: I don't say it lightly, but we do need as
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Speaker 8: a matter of urgency, to create a better system that
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Speaker 8: will enable our children to thrive.
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Speaker 4: This financial year, its estimated tax payers will fork out
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Speaker 4: fifty two billion dollars for the program.
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Speaker 2: Good on your Reben, thank you for that. Now to
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Speaker 2: the escalating war of words between Benjamin Netanyahu and the
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Speaker 2: Australian Labor Party the Albanzi government Now rightly, the Israeli
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Speaker 2: PM has lashed Anthony Albanezi, label him him as weak
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Speaker 2: and going even further in a letter obtained by Sharry
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Speaker 2: Markson last night. Now the Prime Minister has rewarded humas
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Speaker 2: as is according to Netanyahu, and emboldened those who menace
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Speaker 2: Australian Jews and encourages the due hatred now stalking your streets.
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Speaker 2: Now this morning on the ABC, of course, the Home
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Speaker 2: Affairs Minister Tony Burke, in an extraordinary performance, lashed out
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Speaker 2: at Netna who in comments that can only be seen
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Speaker 2: I believe as parochially pandering to his electorate and further
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Speaker 2: inflame intentions.
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Speaker 1: Take a look, Strength is not measured by how many
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Speaker 1: people you can blow up or how many children you
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Speaker 1: can leave Hungary. Strength is much better measured by exactly
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Speaker 1: what Prime Minister Anthony Albernezi has done.
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Speaker 2: Believe that strength is not how many people you can
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Speaker 2: blow up. I mean Tony Burke should apologize for this.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now to discuss. There's the Director of Public
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Speaker 2: Affairs at the Australian Israel and Jewish Affairs Council Jamie Hins, Jamie, welcome,
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Speaker 2: great to see you. How shocked we're by those comments
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Speaker 2: from Tony Burke today.
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Speaker 9: You know, I'd like to say I was shocked, but
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Speaker 9: I wasn't shocked. I was disappointed.
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Speaker 2: I was.
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Speaker 9: Disappointed, appalled by those comments, but not shocked, because this
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Speaker 9: seems to be reflective of his and the government's rhetoric
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Speaker 9: since almost since the Gaza war started. You know that
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Speaker 9: Israel's actions are disproportionate, and so on and so on,
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Speaker 9: and there seems to be a lack of understanding or
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Speaker 9: a lack of willingness to acknowledge that Israel is actually
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Speaker 9: trying to avoid killing civilians while mus hides behind them,
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Speaker 9: was pumping aid into Gaza, while Hamas steals it. So
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Speaker 9: you know, this one sided drehtoric is really not helpful
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Speaker 9: at all.
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Speaker 2: One of the things that shows me is politically they're
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Speaker 2: not taking this issue as seriously as they should. If
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister Albanez you knew that Tony Burke was going
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Speaker 2: to say that, and I can't believe that he would have,
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Speaker 2: then he would have stopped him, you would think, give
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Speaker 2: it what unfolded overnight, the letter from Netanyahu the Twitter
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Speaker 2: message that went out. I mean the relationship was bad
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Speaker 2: enough as it was. Australian Jews are feeling disenfranchised in
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Speaker 2: their own country and the Prime Minister would have had
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Speaker 2: to say stop, but clearly they haven't even talked about it.
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Speaker 9: And this sort of rhetoric is really bad for our
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Speaker 9: social cohesion, which the Prime Minister keeps on talking about
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Speaker 9: social cohesion. But when you demonize in your villa fay
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Speaker 9: Israel in the way that Tony Burke was. Even though
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Speaker 9: the government will keep on saying you can't blame the
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Speaker 9: Jewish community for what Israel does, it leaks out, there
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Speaker 9: are people who will do that, and there are people
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Speaker 9: who will always think, you know, as long as Israel's
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Speaker 9: go geting bagged out, then you know, we take it
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Speaker 9: out on the local Jews because that's who we've got
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Speaker 9: and they support Israel, so they're the bad guys. But
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Speaker 9: you know, having read some of Tony Burke's justifications for
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Speaker 9: the people he's kept out of the country, you know,
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Speaker 9: it doesn't surprise me at all. It seems that there's
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Speaker 9: this underlying theme that we believe the Hamas narrative, we
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Speaker 9: don't believe what Israel says, we blame Israel for what's
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Speaker 9: going on in Gaza, and we'll take it out on
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Speaker 9: Israeli representatives. And admittedly some of them are quite far
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Speaker 9: right wing, but you don't tread an ally and a
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Speaker 9: friend like that. And it's really dismaying to me and
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Speaker 9: to the Jewish community on the whole to see how
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Speaker 9: relations between what were two previously two great friends have
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Speaker 9: really deteriorated under this government since well before the Gaza War.
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Speaker 2: I was going to make that point. And the relationship
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Speaker 2: I've grown up in Australia with a relationship between governments
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Speaker 2: of both colors in Canberra and state governments and the
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Speaker 2: Jewish population have been really strong. I mean, you only
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Speaker 2: can go back to Bob Hawk for example. I mean
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Speaker 2: it's been sort of a rock relationship which for some
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Speaker 2: reason after a terrorist attack on Israel where twelve hundred
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Speaker 2: people are slaughtered two years ago or in October seven,
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, it's all fallen apart. Yep. Know who
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Speaker 2: do you blame for that?
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Speaker 10: Though?
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Speaker 9: Well, look, the government has been has been difficult on
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Speaker 9: Israel ever, I mean, you know, right from the time
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Speaker 9: this started, the first the first comments that came out
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Speaker 9: of the government about the Gaza, about the Hummas attacks,
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Speaker 9: are also admonishing Israel to act proportionately. You know that
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Speaker 9: there was this this reversal of the of Australia's decision
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Speaker 9: to call West Jerusalem as Israel's capital, you know, before
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Speaker 9: you know, in twenty twenty two, there's the decision that
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Speaker 9: we would call the West Bank and Gaza the occupied
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Speaker 9: Palestinian territories. And you know, on the one hand, we're
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Speaker 9: saying we reverse the recognition of West Jerusalem is Israel's
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Speaker 9: capital because that's the final status issue and we don't
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Speaker 9: want to do final status issues earlier. And now we're
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Speaker 9: going to recognize a Palestinian state. So you know, where's
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Speaker 9: the consistency. So it just seems to be this continual
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Speaker 9: bias against Israel and it's really disappointing. And I can understand,
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Speaker 9: you know, I don't necessarily endorse mister Nedner, who's letter.
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Speaker 2: Sent a similar letter to mccron. Was the language too
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Speaker 2: strong or if it had been a private letter between
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Speaker 2: the two of them, would that have been acceptable or
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Speaker 2: rather than have it leaked.
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Speaker 9: Look, I can understand why mister Nednia, who used such
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Speaker 9: strong language because he feels I'm sure he feels exasperated
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Speaker 9: at the ongoing the ongoing actions by this government that
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Speaker 9: have been detrimental to Israel. And he also probably feels
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Speaker 9: that they're playing into the Hamas tactics. They've actually made
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Speaker 9: it harder for Israel to achieve a ceasefire in the
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Speaker 9: Guarsa war because Hummas feels it's winning the war because
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Speaker 9: its aim is to win the pr battle and if
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Speaker 9: it's people get killed in the meantime, that's a necessary sacrifice.
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Speaker 2: So he would feel exasperated.
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Speaker 9: But I think I think these things are a bit
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Speaker 9: better if they're done privately rather than publicly, you know.
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Speaker 9: So I don't necessarily begrudge him the strong language, but
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Speaker 9: I think it would have been better, and you know,
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Speaker 9: if it had been done quietly, because it makes it
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Speaker 9: easier to get the relationship back on track, and of
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Speaker 9: course we all hope that eventually the relationship will get back.
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Speaker 2: I was going to ask you that the Jewish organizations
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Speaker 2: such as your own, how do I mean is the
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Speaker 2: relationship between you and Canberra repairable? Well, you'd like to
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Speaker 2: think so. Look, I mean, do they need to make
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Speaker 2: the first move, which should the prime Minister. For a start,
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Speaker 2: he should condemn Burke for what he said. He should
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Speaker 2: make him apologize. Now. I don't hold your breath, but
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Speaker 2: he should. The Prime Minister needs to reach out now,
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Speaker 2: doesn't he to Australian the Australian Jewish community.
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Speaker 9: Oh look, I'd like to think he will, but I can't.
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Speaker 9: I can't see it happening. I think he would feel
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Speaker 9: that mister Burke was defending him. You know, he was
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Speaker 9: responding to mister who's strung tweet. I mean the fact
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Speaker 9: that he did the fact was he did it and
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Speaker 9: totally inappropriate way.
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Speaker 2: But you know, we have to work.
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Speaker 9: We have to try and work with this government. This
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Speaker 9: government's here for the next at least two and a
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Speaker 9: half years and probably at least five and a half years.
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Speaker 9: You know, there are people in the Jewish community who
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Speaker 9: say that the government is anti Semitic. I don't think they're
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Speaker 9: anti semitic, but I don't think they've done enough about
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Speaker 9: anti semitism, and I think that might be part of
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Speaker 9: the cause of miss mister Netnahu's problem concerned. So hopefully
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Speaker 9: they can redeem themselves, and of course if they do,
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Speaker 9: we'll be ready to meet with them and at any
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Speaker 9: time and discuss these matters and hopefully we can influence
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Speaker 9: them to get onto a better course.
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Speaker 2: Jamie, Thanks you, Tom, I appreciate it very much. Well.
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Speaker 2: The Economic round Table that's now been a bit of
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Speaker 2: a talk fest with so far not a lot to
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Speaker 2: offer everyday Australians. But there was a real productivity summit
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Speaker 2: that was held today. Look, it was hosted by National
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Speaker 2: Senator Matt Canavan, with our own Ross Greenwood sitting in
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Speaker 2: the chair as well. It's explored the critical issues that matter,
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Speaker 2: like high energy prices which not even being talked about
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Speaker 2: in that cabinet room. Experts warned that without urgent action
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Speaker 2: on things like energy red tape over regulation, that Australia
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Speaker 2: risks losing tens of thousands of jobs and further damaging
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Speaker 2: industry competitiveness. Participants underline four actions that the government needs
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Speaker 2: to take to avoid this mess. Ken bracket, creep can
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Speaker 2: bracket greep, cut government spending by four percent, curb new
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Speaker 2: NDS entrance, and scrapnet zero emissions targets. Some participant and
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Speaker 2: senior fellow at the Menzies Research Center, Nick Cator, was there,
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Speaker 2: joins us. Now, Nick, how was the rebel round table,
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Speaker 2: full of full of great ideas. By the look of it,
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Speaker 2: very productive stup.
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Speaker 11: We had real economists in the room and a serious
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Speaker 11: discussion about productivity. It struck me funny enough when I
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Speaker 11: walked into Canberra, into the Parliament House building, I thought,
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Speaker 11: this is the last place you could actually have a
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Speaker 11: productive discussion about productivity in In the room downstairs, there
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Speaker 11: was nobody from any of the industry groups.
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Speaker 3: None of the.
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Speaker 11: Very few of the people there, I think it ever
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Speaker 11: hired a worker or fired a worker, or worked in
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Speaker 11: the productive sectors in mining or agriculture.
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Speaker 3: They're just they're so remote from it.
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Speaker 11: I just I'm not surprised they're not really having a
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Speaker 11: very good discussion. And I think good thing about what
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Speaker 11: Matt Canavan did was to get some serious people from
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Speaker 11: industry in the room, from agriculture, plus some smart economists
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Speaker 11: like Gary Banks, and we just got down to tin chacks.
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Speaker 11: But I think the big conclusion is a lot government
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Speaker 11: can do to harm productivity. There's not much it can
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Speaker 11: do to help productivity except just get out of the
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Speaker 11: way of businesses. They know how to improve their business.
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Speaker 3: We should just be.
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Speaker 11: Getting out of their hair. Lower taxes, lower regulation.
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Speaker 2: Got one more day to go of the downstairs meeting.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's quite extraordinary so far as as far
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Speaker 2: as I can work out where. And it's a bit
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Speaker 2: hard to work out what's actually going on because no cameras,
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Speaker 2: no mobile phones. It's all very behind closed doors, and
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Speaker 2: we don't really get to see. As opposed to your
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Speaker 2: event today which was screen live on Sky. They're not
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Speaker 2: even talking, are they about things like net zero and
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Speaker 2: the effect of this dash toward renewable energy and what
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Speaker 2: that's doing to the economy.
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Speaker 11: Well, I can make out the only discussion on net
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Speaker 11: zero is how to be able to tax people more heavily,
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Speaker 11: either through income tax or taxing super in order that
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Speaker 11: they can pump more government money into these boondoggle schemes,
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Speaker 11: which are just as we heard today from Gary Banks
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Speaker 11: and others, these are actually not productivity members.
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Speaker 3: They're the very opposite.
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Speaker 11: You know, there's going into schemes that are not producing
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Speaker 11: any wealth for the country. It's going into wind farms
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Speaker 11: that are not connected to the grid because I haven't
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Speaker 11: put the transmission lines in. You know, we really need
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Speaker 11: the money going to proper purposes. And give you one example,
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Speaker 11: so we spent a six billion or five billion dollars
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Speaker 11: I think connecting Mount iSER to the electricity grid. That's
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Speaker 11: the Queensland government initiative. What we heard today is that
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Speaker 11: if they just spent that money putting a gas pipeline
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Speaker 11: from the Beaterloo Basin to Mount iSER, that would open
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Speaker 11: up a huge new source of gas supply for the
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Speaker 11: rest of Australia, for Eastern Australia, and it would probably
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Speaker 11: cost less than half as it's costing to put that
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Speaker 11: wire in from Townsville to Mount iSER.
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Speaker 2: You and I have been around a long time. This
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Speaker 2: government seems obsessed with growing the public service, increasing immigration,
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Speaker 2: having more and more people relying on government income for
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Speaker 2: their salary, and not helping private enterprise employ people and
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Speaker 2: push the economy up. I mean, we've seen some good governments,
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Speaker 2: you and I Nick, we've seen some really bad ones.
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Speaker 2: These guys are really pushing the envelope in the bad column.
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Speaker 11: Well, fundamental I think is that the government we reduce
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Speaker 11: government spending by four percent of GDP, get it down
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Speaker 11: to a more normal level twenty four to twenty five
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Speaker 11: percent instead of where it is twenty seven to twenty
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Speaker 11: eight because that is a huge strain on productivity. Number one,
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Speaker 11: public servants tend not to be particularly productive in the
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Speaker 11: first place and have no incentive to improve their productivity,
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Speaker 11: not like in the private sector, where it's a matter
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Speaker 11: of keeping a job or not keeping a job, keeping
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Speaker 11: the business going or not. And number two, you crowd
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Speaker 11: out private investment and that's what happens. And I think
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Speaker 11: the idea that you can fix housing by putting more
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Speaker 11: money into it. Know what we heard today is completely
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Speaker 11: the opposite. The fifty six percent of the cost of
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Speaker 11: a new house on a new subdivision goes in either
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Speaker 11: government taxes and charges or government services fifty six percent
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Speaker 11: of that price of that house. So by reducing that
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Speaker 11: the government could do a lot to lower housing prices.
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Speaker 11: But it prefers just to put more money into some
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Speaker 11: kind of social housing scheme where we know they won't
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Speaker 11: build as many houses as they promise because they never.
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Speaker 2: Do as Ross Green would keep saying, it's very easy
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Speaker 2: for big multinational companies who I have investments in Australia,
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Speaker 2: including our big miners like HP and Rio Tinto, it's
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Speaker 2: very easy then to move their capital out of Australia.
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Speaker 2: We saw executives from BHP and Rio Tinto Nick today
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Speaker 2: in the Oval Office meeting Donald Trump, something our Prime
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Speaker 2: minister hasn't been able to pull off. These guys are saying, well,
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Speaker 2: America is open for business. America makes it easy for
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Speaker 2: us to spend our money, employee workers and make a profit,
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Speaker 2: whereas Australia is now not so easy and in a
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Speaker 2: bit of a backwater. We've really got to reverse that
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Speaker 2: sort of thing. I mean, why BHP and Rio Tinto
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Speaker 2: not in that room.
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Speaker 3: Well, and that's exactly right.
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Speaker 11: And what we heard was that BHP is losing money
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Speaker 11: on its coal operations now in Queensland and it shouldn't be.
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Speaker 11: But of course the Queensland government, the previous come Queensland
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Speaker 11: government up the royalties to such an extent it's just
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Speaker 11: not profitable. So the coal mining in Indonesia is going gangbusters.
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Speaker 11: They're filling that gap. It's not that people aren't using
20:12
Speaker 11: the coal in Asia, it's just that they're not getting
20:14
Speaker 11: it from us because we can't get supplies to them
20:16
Speaker 11: and it's not profitable. Why would you kill this absolute
20:20
Speaker 11: backbone of the Australian economy just for some ideological aim
20:25
Speaker 11: and then not be able to achieve what you said
20:27
Speaker 11: they're going to be achieved anyway it is. It's economic
20:30
Speaker 11: self harm and those are the kind of things which
20:33
Speaker 11: I just don't hear being discussed out of the main
20:36
Speaker 11: productivity summit.
20:39
Speaker 2: Nick, Good on you. Thanks great to catch up. Good
20:41
Speaker 2: on you. After the break, we dive into the fallout
20:44
Speaker 2: of that diabolical situation the Federal government now finds itself
20:47
Speaker 2: in after the Israeli Prime Minister lashed Anthony Albanesi. Plus
20:52
Speaker 2: what impact is the government's net zero obsession having on
20:55
Speaker 2: our regions. That's coming up straight after the break. Welcome
21:01
Speaker 2: back to Price with you who are sitting in for Peter.
21:03
Speaker 2: And now let's return to this war of words between
21:06
Speaker 2: Labor and Benjamin NETTNYA who joining me now to discuss
21:09
Speaker 2: this Foreign editor at The Australian, Greg Sheridan, Greg, great
21:13
Speaker 2: to see you. The Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke. I
21:16
Speaker 2: mean I mentioned earlier that obviously he and Anthony Albaneze
21:21
Speaker 2: he didn't speak overnight. I mean Anthony Alban's he must
21:23
Speaker 2: have known that that letter from Netanya, who had been
21:26
Speaker 2: leaked to our colleague Charry Markson, we know what was
21:28
Speaker 2: in it. Burke turns up at Radio National today, I'll
21:33
Speaker 2: play this to you. This is what he said on
21:35
Speaker 2: Radio National, which just threw another match on this blazing
21:40
Speaker 2: row between Australia and Israel. Have listen.
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Speaker 1: Strength is not measured by how many people you can
21:47
Speaker 1: blow up or how many children you can leave Hungary.
21:52
Speaker 1: Strength is much better measured by exactly what Prime Minister
21:57
Speaker 1: Anthony Alberiezi has done.
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Speaker 2: Hasn't helped the debate, has it?
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Speaker 12: No, Steve, Well, look, it's great to be with you.
22:05
Speaker 12: I think it's important to get the context and the
22:07
Speaker 12: sequence of this right. So you know, it's no secret
22:11
Speaker 12: to anybody that I'm a person who has been very
22:14
Speaker 12: sympathetic to Israel over the years. I love and admire
22:16
Speaker 12: Jewish culture, and I think Israel is a you know,
22:20
Speaker 12: a liberal democracy and a sea of dictatorships. Although I'm
22:23
Speaker 12: very critical of the last the most recent stages of
22:26
Speaker 12: their campaign and a military campaign. I think the human costs,
22:31
Speaker 12: not to mention the political cost, is too high. I
22:33
Speaker 12: also think Benjamin Ettner, who was very ill advised to
22:37
Speaker 12: issue that tweet or whatever it was. Prime ministers shouldn't
22:41
Speaker 12: communicate with each other that way, especially not a friendly countries.
22:45
Speaker 12: And you know, Netta, who's done a lot of good
22:48
Speaker 12: things in his career, has done a lot of bad things.
22:50
Speaker 12: I think that was a bad thing. Makes it very
22:51
Speaker 12: hard for friends of Israel and Australia and for Jewish Australians.
22:55
Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 12: I am, however, very very critical of the Albanese government
23:00
Speaker 12: on the substance of two entirely unrelated issues. One the
23:03
Speaker 12: recognition of the state of Palestine, and two they've failure
23:06
Speaker 12: to respond to the anti Semitism crisis in Australia. They
23:10
Speaker 12: are not an anti Semitic government, but they haven't responded
23:13
Speaker 12: with gravity and seriousness. Also they have yeah, and they're
23:17
Speaker 12: just not telling you the truth.
23:18
Speaker 3: You know.
23:19
Speaker 12: One of the most infamous acts was Penny One, when
23:21
Speaker 12: she finally went to Israel after the shocking massacre the worst,
23:24
Speaker 12: most brutal, savage, sexual, sadistic terrorism we've ever seen. Refused
23:29
Speaker 12: to go down to the kibbutz's where the massacres occurred,
23:32
Speaker 12: just to express solidarity with the Jewish victims. But by
23:35
Speaker 12: far the worst minister has been Tony Burke. Consistently terrible. Now, Steve,
23:40
Speaker 12: I think you're giving Anthony Alberesi an unfair benefit of
23:43
Speaker 12: the doubt here. I would interpret it slightly differently. I
23:48
Speaker 12: think Albanese was right to respond in a measured way
23:51
Speaker 12: to Netanyahu.
23:52
Speaker 2: That was right.
23:53
Speaker 12: But my reading of it is that he's virtually sent
23:56
Speaker 12: Tony Burke out as an attack dog. And you can't
23:58
Speaker 12: really claim I hope, I'm trying to turn the volume down.
24:02
Speaker 12: I want everybody to be calm, and then have Tony
24:05
Speaker 12: Burke engaging in that kind of rhetoric which can only
24:09
Speaker 12: fuel the vision so Burke claims. Burke was so merely
24:13
Speaker 12: mouthed in response to the initial October seven massacres, and
24:17
Speaker 12: one of his countless excuses was that he was concerned
24:20
Speaker 12: above all to maintain community cohesion because, as he said rightly,
24:24
Speaker 12: anything we do in this country might have the slightest
24:26
Speaker 12: effect on the Middle East, and our priority has got
24:28
Speaker 12: to be to maintain community cohesion. Well, you're not contributing
24:32
Speaker 12: to maintaining community cohesion by engaging in that kind of record.
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Speaker 2: You're suggesting that the Prime Minister's sitting above Wong and
24:39
Speaker 2: Burke and letting them go out and do the dirty work.
24:42
Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 12: So I have no information to that effects, Steve, but
24:45
Speaker 12: it just looks like that if that's not the case,
24:48
Speaker 12: then they're an amazing.
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Speaker 2: I can't believe that after the letter became public and
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Speaker 2: the Prime ministers read it, that he wouldn't call in
24:56
Speaker 2: those closest to him, Wong and Burke and so rodo
24:59
Speaker 2: you're the Home Fairs Minister or the Foreign Minister, how
25:02
Speaker 2: are we going to react to this? Absolute conversation would
25:05
Speaker 2: have been, well, Pm, you should say that surely they're
25:09
Speaker 2: not letting Tony Burke go and make that remark. Well,
25:13
Speaker 2: I mean I trust your judgment, but I mean I
25:15
Speaker 2: find it extraordinary.
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Speaker 12: So Steve, it's only judgment. I'm not claiming to have
25:19
Speaker 12: any inside information, no inside information, but it seems to
25:24
Speaker 12: me so either Richard Miles, so Burke should have made
25:27
Speaker 12: Albaneze should have made the relatively downbeat, sensible statement that
25:32
Speaker 12: he made, and he deserves some credit for that. Then
25:34
Speaker 12: if you wanted a more detailed explanation, it should have
25:37
Speaker 12: been probably the Foreign Minister and if not her, then
25:39
Speaker 12: the Deputy Prime Minister Richard Males. Instead of which they've
25:42
Speaker 12: taken out Burke, who has been very very hostile to
25:46
Speaker 12: Israel for a very long time and he has inflamed
25:52
Speaker 12: the situation. Now either they're a very incompetent government and
25:56
Speaker 12: they didn't coordinate their response to an immensely sensitive issue,
26:00
Speaker 12: or they have engaged in a pretty wicked thing where
26:03
Speaker 12: they say, you know, the boss guy is sweet and
26:06
Speaker 12: seraphic and Buddha alike in his calmness, but we'll send
26:09
Speaker 12: out an a tak dog to.
26:11
Speaker 2: I hope it at first, but I'm not sure you
26:13
Speaker 2: wrote today about the mixed messages about Ukraine after that
26:16
Speaker 2: Trump meeting Putin and Zelensky. What's going to happen here?
26:19
Speaker 2: Do we think?
26:20
Speaker 12: Very hard to know, Steve so. Trump's summit with Putin,
26:25
Speaker 12: every message was that Putin gets the don Bass, Putin
26:29
Speaker 12: doesn't have to concede anything, that there will be no
26:33
Speaker 12: tariffs against Putin, and that all isolation of him has finished.
26:40
Speaker 12: Mind you, Trump having imposed wicked tariffs on India for
26:44
Speaker 12: having the temerity to trade with Russia. Then a few
26:47
Speaker 12: days later, Trump has a summit with Zelensky and all
26:49
Speaker 12: the European leaders, and the message is absolutely the reverse.
26:52
Speaker 12: All of a sudden, the Americans are backing a security
26:55
Speaker 12: stabilization force in Ukraine and the territorial swap going to
27:00
Speaker 12: be very marginal. Now This is the problem with Trump.
27:03
Speaker 2: What a surprise with workout? What's car workout? Now?
27:06
Speaker 12: Does he have a plan or is this just chaotic innovation?
27:11
Speaker 12: Situation by situation? Now, I would think really judging Putin
27:14
Speaker 12: on the basis of his past actions. When this was happening,
27:18
Speaker 12: he launched the most savage aerial attack he's so far
27:21
Speaker 12: launched on Ukraine. This allows him to avoid American extra
27:26
Speaker 12: sanctions and to just keep on with his vicious military campaign,
27:31
Speaker 12: and he can probably string this along. So Trump said
27:34
Speaker 12: there would be a Zelenski Putin meeting quickly, but Sergei Lavrov,
27:38
Speaker 12: the Russian foreign minister, says, oh no, no, no, We've
27:40
Speaker 12: got to start at the level of experts and then
27:42
Speaker 12: work up to a Zelenski Putin meeting. So is Putin
27:46
Speaker 12: in fact just playing playing them like a bunch of
27:49
Speaker 12: monkeys and just letting them run on, and Trump is
27:53
Speaker 12: kind of letting him get away with it.
27:55
Speaker 2: Then he comes out to Trump says, I can't let
27:57
Speaker 2: seven thousand people be killed today. It's got to stop.
28:01
Speaker 12: Well, if that's what he really means, fair enough, But
28:04
Speaker 12: he said a few weeks ago, if Putin doesn't sign
28:07
Speaker 12: up to a ceasefire, there will be the gravest consequences.
28:11
Speaker 12: We will impose the most severe secondary tariffs.
28:14
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah.
28:15
Speaker 12: Putin didn't sign up to a ceasefire, but he gave
28:18
Speaker 12: Trump a moment of sort of faux triumph, and so
28:21
Speaker 12: Trump just forgot about all that and went on, Now,
28:24
Speaker 12: if you can predict what's going to happen to me,
28:26
Speaker 12: if you're a better man than.
28:27
Speaker 2: Me, I'd rather take your predictions, TRUP. Thanks us for
28:29
Speaker 2: coming in. Gregful. There always a pleasure to have a
28:32
Speaker 2: chat with him. I could talk to him for the
28:34
Speaker 2: whole program. All right, Now to some other big domestic
28:36
Speaker 2: stories the day, joining me National affairs editor at the
28:39
Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph, Sky News host James Morrow, who I also
28:42
Speaker 2: love talking to. James. The Home Affairs Department has been
28:45
Speaker 2: accused of double standards over this. You know, Israeli MP
28:50
Speaker 2: the bulk from the Rights being banned from coming in,
28:52
Speaker 2: but they let in British Muslim speaker Sammy Amdi. He
28:57
Speaker 2: was allowed into the country and he went on after
28:59
Speaker 2: October seven, have a look at what he said just
29:02
Speaker 2: dies after that attack.
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Speaker 10: Can I break the victory? Allah has shown the world
29:08
Speaker 10: that no normalization can erase the Palestinian cause when everybody
29:12
Speaker 10: thought it was finish, it's roaring. How many of you
29:16
Speaker 10: feed it in your hearts when you got the news
29:18
Speaker 10: that did happened. How many of you felt a euphoria loah, welcome.
29:22
Speaker 10: How many of you felt it?
29:26
Speaker 2: So James, what chicks did they do on that blog?
29:29
Speaker 10: Well, you know, I don't know, but it does really
29:33
Speaker 10: seem disturbing to me that there is such a parish
29:35
Speaker 10: double standard here. Now, I mean, Tony Burke has been
29:38
Speaker 10: very strong when it comes to dealing with cases of
29:42
Speaker 10: you know, elected MP's elected in the Parliament, in the
29:45
Speaker 10: Knesset of a very close friend of ours, or at
29:48
Speaker 10: least once a very close friend of ours Israel, another
29:51
Speaker 10: liberal democracy in a very non liberal and non democratic
29:55
Speaker 10: part of the world. Yeah, when it comes to this
29:58
Speaker 10: guy and people like this, we saw this other case
30:01
Speaker 10: with somebody else who's going to come out from Gaza,
30:03
Speaker 10: who we found at all their social media with about
30:06
Speaker 10: all sorts of other stuff. It's a very much a
30:08
Speaker 10: double standard, and you can only think that there are
30:11
Speaker 10: real domestic politics at play here. Unlet's remember that Tony
30:15
Speaker 10: Burke at an awful lot of labor Frontbenchers Albany to
30:19
Speaker 10: Government front petchers represents seats with very large Muzzlim populations,
30:23
Speaker 10: where it has to be said no small number of
30:25
Speaker 10: people in those lequers might find themselves agreeing with some
30:29
Speaker 10: of those sentiments. We saw those sentiments expressed on the
30:31
Speaker 10: streets of Sydney in Western Sydney after October seventh. We
30:35
Speaker 10: saw them at the Opera House. So you know, it
30:37
Speaker 10: does seem to be a very simple play to one
30:39
Speaker 10: constituency off of another.
30:44
Speaker 2: James, I'm a massive supporter of the News Limited Sky
30:47
Speaker 2: News Bush summits there was the first one held in
30:51
Speaker 2: Broom to Die. I think there's one in Mount Gambia tomorrow,
30:54
Speaker 2: when sadly there's one in Ballaratni says, and I was
30:57
Speaker 2: invited to go to the dinner before it, but I'll
30:59
Speaker 2: be here filling in for Pada. Gina Reinhart has penned
31:03
Speaker 2: an op ed in The News Limit of Pipers today
31:05
Speaker 2: saying the damage Net zero I was doing is horrendous
31:11
Speaker 2: and while a lot of it is currently contined to
31:13
Speaker 2: our regions, it's going to spread to many aspects of
31:15
Speaker 2: Australian lives. She's one hundred percent correct, isn't she.
31:18
Speaker 10: Well, she's absolutely right. Gina Reinhart, who is one of
31:21
Speaker 10: our greatest Australians, let's be honest about this here, is
31:24
Speaker 10: also completely correct when it comes to what she has
31:26
Speaker 10: written here about that zero and the folly of net zero,
31:31
Speaker 10: and she calls it out the propaganda around net zero
31:34
Speaker 10: because you know, this is hitting in the regions very tough.
31:38
Speaker 10: We've done a lot of reporting at the Daily Telegraph
31:40
Speaker 10: about the impacts these wind farms and other projects and
31:44
Speaker 10: renewable energy zones and transmissionalizers have had on rural communities.
31:48
Speaker 10: But here's the thing.
31:49
Speaker 2: You know, this.
31:50
Speaker 10: Power, this unreliable power that's going to come into the grid,
31:53
Speaker 10: it's going to make life tough in cities before too long.
31:57
Speaker 10: We'll have to look at what happened in Spain. And
32:00
Speaker 10: we also know that there is simply nowhere that the
32:03
Speaker 10: economic stack up that you can get to net zero
32:06
Speaker 10: without incurring vast expens There's no way power praises will
32:10
Speaker 10: ever come down again if we keep going down this
32:12
Speaker 10: road in what should be a really energy rich nation.
32:15
Speaker 10: So good on Gina Reinhart's calling it out, but really
32:17
Speaker 10: people have got to wake up. What's going on here.
32:22
Speaker 3: Yeah.
32:22
Speaker 2: One of the things that Gina made the point, and
32:24
Speaker 2: I thought it was a really good point, is that
32:25
Speaker 2: you know, if you go out into regional and rural
32:28
Speaker 2: Australia and I was in western Victoria a few weeks
32:31
Speaker 2: ago and I came across about one hundred and twenty
32:33
Speaker 2: wind turbine stuck next to a road. I couldn't believe
32:35
Speaker 2: how huge they were. So country folk know that there's
32:39
Speaker 2: going to impact on their farms and on their properties.
32:42
Speaker 2: People in the cities are still turning on the lights
32:44
Speaker 2: every night, turning on the hot water, no impact that
32:48
Speaker 2: all except their bills have gone up. But once this
32:50
Speaker 2: stuff is in place and plugged in, the bills will
32:54
Speaker 2: certainly be going up, and potentially we're going to have
32:57
Speaker 2: brownouts and blackouts. It's not going to work so well
33:00
Speaker 2: at the city front. Gear Ricken kind of wipe up
33:03
Speaker 2: completely that this is criziness.
33:06
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, I mean I think we're seeing this encroach
33:09
Speaker 10: further and further in through the outer subburbs, in closer
33:12
Speaker 10: and closer into the cities on this because you know
33:15
Speaker 10: what you said there, Steve has already happened. You know,
33:18
Speaker 10: we've already seen power prices go up something like fourteen
33:20
Speaker 10: hundred dollars in New South Wales. So I don't know
33:23
Speaker 10: what they are in other states, but they're similar. We know,
33:25
Speaker 10: the South Australia, which has the highest penetration of renewable energy,
33:28
Speaker 10: also has the highest energy bills. Go figure. And we
33:32
Speaker 10: also had a situation here in Sydney some months ago
33:35
Speaker 10: where we were told, hey, look when you get home,
33:38
Speaker 10: you know it's a hot day. If you don't mind
33:40
Speaker 10: not running that dishwasher or you know, you know that
33:43
Speaker 10: air conditioner, that'd be great, you know, And so you know,
33:47
Speaker 10: we already see this. And the thing is, though, because
33:50
Speaker 10: it's become such a religious almost article of devotion for
33:53
Speaker 10: people who are true believers in this, you know, it's
33:56
Speaker 10: very hard to tell people that they're wrong, that they've
33:58
Speaker 10: been sold a pup here on this. So getting people
34:01
Speaker 10: to understand that the thing that they felt a real
34:05
Speaker 10: moral commitment to is causing all sorts of dislocations and
34:09
Speaker 10: is actually not actually doing anything to solve the problem
34:12
Speaker 10: that we're talking about here. You know, like if we
34:15
Speaker 10: stop doing everything about everything electric here, you know, somehow
34:19
Speaker 10: this would change the weather. And hey, certainly this other
34:21
Speaker 10: thing about at Sydney instead of being three weeks of rain.
34:24
Speaker 10: You know it's a folly.
34:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, as a father of two daughters in their mid twenties,
34:31
Speaker 2: don't worry. I know exactly what that argument's like and
34:33
Speaker 2: how to have it not Jomes Murrow, thanks for your time.
34:36
Speaker 2: I'll catch up with you shortly. All right, coming up
34:39
Speaker 2: after the break. Never mind the plummeting educational outcomes for
34:43
Speaker 2: our kids. One Australian state just happens to be Victoria
34:47
Speaker 2: is more committed to giving public schools indigenous names than
34:50
Speaker 2: actually teaching children how to spell and that up. Plus
34:53
Speaker 2: how the IFIL has backed itself into a very nasty
34:56
Speaker 2: corner of a disciplinary action for an Adelaide Crow's player.
35:00
Speaker 2: The panel up next, Welcome back to Price with the
35:06
Speaker 2: Curl Richards coming up. He's got a bunch of new
35:08
Speaker 2: words for us tonight. He'll be with us shortly. Let's
35:11
Speaker 2: bring in tonight's panel One Nation chief of staff James
35:14
Speaker 2: Ashby and Sky and news contributor Jamie Rodgers. Great to
35:17
Speaker 2: see you both again. I mentioned at the start of
35:19
Speaker 2: the program that rather than focusing on unimportant things like
35:24
Speaker 2: numeracy and literacy, how to read, how to spell, how
35:26
Speaker 2: to count, which the nap plan results as we know
35:30
Speaker 2: this week showed us is appalling well. The Victorian Education
35:33
Speaker 2: Minister is now going to name every new school in
35:37
Speaker 2: Victoria and six have already been named this year with
35:40
Speaker 2: first Nation's language. James is that the best use of
35:47
Speaker 2: these education department coming up with indigenous names to call
35:51
Speaker 2: a school.
35:53
Speaker 10: Well.
35:53
Speaker 13: One Nation warned the Australian public that even if we
35:56
Speaker 13: voted no at the referendum for the Voice, we would
35:59
Speaker 13: be getting it whether we liked it or not, and
36:01
Speaker 13: Victoria is leading the charge obviously, so whether we agree
36:06
Speaker 13: with or not, it will continue. The problem is, Steve,
36:10
Speaker 13: no one really wants it. They say they've consulted, but
36:12
Speaker 13: who are those people they consulted with before introducing what
36:16
Speaker 13: I think they've got slated at least twenty six schools
36:18
Speaker 13: for next year that they're going to use Aboriginal names for.
36:21
Speaker 13: You're right to suggest we've got a problem with numerousy
36:24
Speaker 13: literacy across the country, but this is the number one
36:27
Speaker 13: focus of the Victorian government. Look, I will say though
36:31
Speaker 13: about seventy percent of this country already has townships named
36:34
Speaker 13: after Aboriginal words. They might be a slightly different European dialect.
36:39
Speaker 13: But at the end of the day, look, we are
36:41
Speaker 13: dealing with Aboriginal names. Whether we like it or not,
36:44
Speaker 13: it doesn't really impact me. I just think it's just
36:46
Speaker 13: another step in that direction of trying to implement the
36:50
Speaker 13: voice by stealth.
36:53
Speaker 2: Jamie the way it impacts on me and I discovered
36:55
Speaker 2: this at the start of the program tonight. I mean,
36:58
Speaker 2: I don't speak indigenous language of any kind, and the
37:03
Speaker 2: spelling of some of these renamed schools is difficult, and
37:06
Speaker 2: to try and work out phonetically how to say it
37:09
Speaker 2: is even more difficult. So parents are going to have
37:11
Speaker 2: to learn how to say this name of their school,
37:15
Speaker 2: and you've got to change every sign, every bit of
37:17
Speaker 2: paper associated with that school. I don't mind the fact
37:20
Speaker 2: that we have indigenous names, but there are better, bigger,
37:24
Speaker 2: more important priorities in education than doing this.
37:29
Speaker 7: You're spot on there, Steve.
37:31
Speaker 6: In particular, think about the students when they go off
37:34
Speaker 6: to represent their school. People are going to be asking
37:36
Speaker 6: them where is that school from? Who are you representing?
37:40
Speaker 6: Because it's so important, I believe with the public schools
37:43
Speaker 6: when they're in their local community and they are named
37:46
Speaker 6: after that local community, because they're in bred within the
37:50
Speaker 6: school system, and I think it's so important that we
37:51
Speaker 6: don't lose that link. I think there is a place
37:54
Speaker 6: for these Aboriginal names, whether you put a plaque at
37:56
Speaker 6: the front gate or somewhere within the school. There's no
38:00
Speaker 6: need to be calling these schools by indigenous names. There
38:03
Speaker 6: was actually a poll on the website where this article was,
38:06
Speaker 6: so I clicked on it because it asked everyone, do
38:09
Speaker 6: you think this is a good idea? And at the
38:11
Speaker 6: time that I did it, which was a few hours ago,
38:13
Speaker 6: there were seven thousand people that had voted and ninety
38:16
Speaker 6: five percent said no, they do not think that this is.
38:19
Speaker 7: A good idea.
38:20
Speaker 6: And to your point earlier, we're in a twenty year
38:23
Speaker 6: decline when it comes to reading and writing and maths,
38:27
Speaker 6: and there are so many bigger issues to be focusing on.
38:29
Speaker 6: But Steve, you're in Victoria. There are so many weird
38:33
Speaker 6: things going on in that state and in the school
38:35
Speaker 6: we were talking about on the program last week where
38:38
Speaker 6: Victoria quietly changed their curriculum to start teaching children as
38:42
Speaker 6: young at five what to do if they're born in
38:44
Speaker 6: the wrong body. So I think down in that state
38:47
Speaker 6: things are just really out of whack and need to
38:49
Speaker 6: be focusing on your spiraling debt, your crime that's out
38:52
Speaker 6: of control. I just really hope that this idea of
38:56
Speaker 6: changing the school's names to indigenous names doesn't reflect around
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Speaker 6: the whole country.
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Speaker 2: And the worst is to come home in the Victorian
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Speaker 2: governments in negotiations, secret negotiations that we're not allowed to
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Speaker 2: know about, to strike a treaty with Indigenous Victorians, and
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Speaker 2: it's costing millions of dollars and no one in government's
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Speaker 2: prepared to talk about it. Let's talk about work from
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Speaker 2: home now. I can't be a hypocrite. I've worked from
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Speaker 2: home because it's physically possible. I only did it during
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Speaker 2: COVID and I didn't particularly like it. But I can
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Speaker 2: work from home if I want to. But there's a
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Speaker 2: new poll out that shows that roughly two thirds of
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Speaker 2: Australians support a new right to work from home. Now,
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Speaker 2: to me, that seems pretty crazy, James. It shouldn't be
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Speaker 2: your right. It should be a negotiated agreement between you
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Speaker 2: and whoever's paying you to work for them as to
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Speaker 2: whether you work from home or go to the office.
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Speaker 2: Shouldn't it.
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Speaker 13: And the challenge is if you let one person within
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Speaker 13: your workplace work from home.
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Speaker 3: You said a very dangerous precedent, and.
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Speaker 13: Therefore other staff can quite literally say, well, I demand
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Speaker 13: to work from home and if you don't allow me to,
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Speaker 13: I'm off to the Fair Work Commission to form a
40:07
Speaker 13: well to lodge a formal complaint. And this is the
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Speaker 13: snowball effect that businesses are going to have to face. Look,
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Speaker 13: I'll admit I work from home a large portion of
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Speaker 13: my time, but I'm one of these disciplined people who
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Speaker 13: actually can work from home. I know a lot of
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Speaker 13: people are a partner that can't work from home. It's
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Speaker 13: just it's impossible. They don't like doing it, and secondly
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Speaker 13: their job doesn't permit it that well, So it should be,
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Speaker 13: as you point out, a negotiation between the employer and
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Speaker 13: the employee, and if it doesn't suit the employer, suck
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Speaker 13: it up. People, you have to go to work. That's
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Speaker 13: what you're paid to do. Go to work, you get
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Speaker 13: paid at the end of the week. And these four
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Speaker 13: day weeks, Steve, I can't agree with that. Not here
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Speaker 13: in Queensland anyway. I don't think it works. And we
40:50
Speaker 13: already give eleven days a year public holidays. How much
40:54
Speaker 13: more to workers honestly want from their employer, you'll send
40:57
Speaker 13: them broke.
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Speaker 2: And Jamie, the impact of this is really easy to see.
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Speaker 2: I mean, when I come into the city of Melbourne
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Speaker 2: on a Monday, the traffic's bad and you can't find
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Speaker 2: car parks. You come in here on a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
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Speaker 2: there's no one here. And then you come in on
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Speaker 2: a Friday and it's busy again. So our big cities
41:18
Speaker 2: are being hollowed out post COVID. I just feel for
41:21
Speaker 2: those poor people running a dry cleaning shop, a bootstuding place,
41:25
Speaker 2: a cafe, a coffee shop. I mean they must be
41:28
Speaker 2: tearing their hair out that there's no one in town.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the same story here in Sydney, Steve, although
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Speaker 6: ours is the opposite. Mondays and Fridays are dead here
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Speaker 6: in the city and Tuesday to Thursday is when people
41:41
Speaker 6: are in the office. I think this is a bigger
41:43
Speaker 6: problem here, Steve, in terms of the union stepping in
41:47
Speaker 6: to trying to make their work from home legalized, and
41:51
Speaker 6: also that four day working week that James was just mentioning.
41:54
Speaker 7: My biggest concern is what.
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Speaker 6: Business is going to want to be investing in Australia
41:59
Speaker 6: or what small business is to want to have a
42:01
Speaker 6: go and open their doors and try and be successful.
42:03
Speaker 6: We make it so hard for people to have success
42:07
Speaker 6: with their business. We saw just before on Kenny's program
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Speaker 6: where John Paul Drake, who has Drake's Supermarkets, can't get staff,
42:15
Speaker 6: and he said that when he does hire Australians they
42:18
Speaker 6: then say to him, oh, actually I can get more
42:20
Speaker 6: money not working and getting it from Centerlink. So we're
42:23
Speaker 6: just on this real slippery slope right now, Steve, where
42:26
Speaker 6: productivity is shot. In the past two years, eighty percent
42:29
Speaker 6: of the jobs that have been created have been in
42:32
Speaker 6: that non market sector where productivity is at a twenty
42:35
Speaker 6: year low. So our economy is just struggling in all
42:37
Speaker 6: different areas. And I think a working from home poll
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Speaker 6: that you just showed, of course workers are going to say, yeah,
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Speaker 6: we want to work from home, we want fur day
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Speaker 6: working weeks, but the reality is so much more serious.
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Speaker 6: We're becoming a nation that doesn't want to work and
42:51
Speaker 6: we need to be turning this around really quickly. I
42:54
Speaker 6: wish this economic reform that's happening right now could address
42:56
Speaker 6: these sort of problems, because we're certainly heading towards very time.
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Speaker 7: Steed. If it doesn't turn around.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't hold your breath on that. I'm not sure
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Speaker 2: too much is going to come out of it. Jamie
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Speaker 2: and James. Always great to catch up with you both,
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Coming up after the break. He's
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Speaker 2: everybody's favorite. Keurl Richards now Kell tonight he's had a
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Speaker 2: bit of a twist. He's going to introduce us to
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Speaker 2: new words that have been listed in the Cambridge Diction.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Andrew Boll coming up shortly joining me now,
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Speaker 2: plenty of words to get to tonight words with broadcaster
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Speaker 2: to Kel Richards joins us a bit of a twist
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Speaker 2: tonight Cambridge Dictionary. Kel they released their newly added list
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Speaker 2: of words. You take it away, what do you make
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Speaker 2: of them? Trad wife, let's start with that. Okay.
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Speaker 5: They issued a list of six thousand words. He is
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Speaker 5: a few Tradwife is what we call a portmanteau word,
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Speaker 5: and that's two words packed in the one little package.
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Speaker 5: So it's traditional and wife packed together. And it means
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Speaker 5: a woman who decides to make her life mainly domestic responsibilities,
44:01
Speaker 5: that kind of thing, and it's a kind of global
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Speaker 5: revolt against a fourth wave feminism. Not a bad word.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's taken on a bit of a in
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Speaker 2: the United States in particular. I think there's a lot
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Speaker 2: of people who are actually living their life as traad wives. Now,
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Speaker 2: some of these other words have got no idea how
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Speaker 2: to pronounce them, so you can correct me. Skiv ski beady.
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Speaker 5: Yes, oh, that's a great attempt, Steeve. It was like
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Speaker 5: my first attempt. I've discovered it's skibbity. You put the
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Speaker 5: emphasis on the first syllable, skibberty. It's used by the
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Speaker 5: geeks and the nerds and their incomprehensible exchanges online, and
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Speaker 5: basically the key is it doesn't mean anything, so they
44:41
Speaker 5: put it in sometimes to be cool or uncool or
44:44
Speaker 5: good or bad, because it means nothing. It's just a
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Speaker 5: bit of filler. You might remember Fatimah Payman used it
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Speaker 5: in the Senate last year, sometimes September of last year,
44:53
Speaker 5: to try to appear cool. Always a mistake. Don't try
44:56
Speaker 5: to use words you don't understand. It means nothing.
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Speaker 2: So if I were to say kel is every Wednesday
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Speaker 2: night skibberty, I'd be giving you a compliment or saying nothing.
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Speaker 5: You'll be saying nothing and your words could be interpreted
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Speaker 5: as meaning anything.
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Speaker 2: This other word was also the next word was also
45:21
Speaker 2: used in parliament by none other than the Prime ministrength
45:24
Speaker 2: in the Albanezi himself. Delulu.
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Speaker 5: Yes, he used to phrase de lulu with no se
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Speaker 5: lulu in the election campaign and it came back to
45:33
Speaker 5: bite him in the parliament because delulu is a modern
45:38
Speaker 5: abbreviation of delusion and delulu with no slulu as delusion,
45:42
Speaker 5: a delusion without a solution. But like all middle aged
45:47
Speaker 5: men who tries to use youth talk, it don't work
45:51
Speaker 5: and you end up just looking silly.
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Speaker 2: I think. So it's just a shortening of the actual
45:57
Speaker 2: word delusion. But does it have the same meaning.
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Speaker 5: Exactly the same meaning. Nothing has changed and it's just
46:05
Speaker 5: a slightly illiterate way of saying delusional.
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Speaker 2: So you say, Cambridge have put what six hundred new
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Speaker 2: words into that six thousand, six thousand, six thousand, So yeah,
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Speaker 2: how could we possibly in the English language in any
46:24
Speaker 2: given year? I guess they do this annually, do they?
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Speaker 2: How could you have six thousand new words?
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Speaker 3: Oh?
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Speaker 5: We are living in a particularly rich period of word generation,
46:35
Speaker 5: largely because of it, largely because of online stuff. The
46:39
Speaker 5: kids and the geeks and nerds are constantly coining new words,
46:43
Speaker 5: and every time something is invented. We didn't have AI
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Speaker 5: a year ago. AI is a new expression. It's in
46:48
Speaker 5: the list. It goes into the Cambridge Dictionary this year.
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Speaker 5: So technological developments, the geeks and the nerds, all the
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Speaker 5: things happening online, the way the kids are speaking, we
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Speaker 5: easily generate six thousand words year.
47:02
Speaker 2: Here's an ignorant question for me. Does the Cambridge Dictionary
47:05
Speaker 2: still get published in hard copy form or do people
47:09
Speaker 2: use an online version?
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Speaker 5: Well, you can buy one to sit on your desktop
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Speaker 5: if you want to, Steve, but almost everyone now uses
47:17
Speaker 5: dictionaries online electronically. They're much better because they're searchable. They're
47:22
Speaker 5: much easier to search online. I go to the Big
47:24
Speaker 5: Oxford Dictionary, which if I bought it in print would
47:27
Speaker 5: cost me thousands of dollars in this twenty volumes. Instead
47:30
Speaker 5: of that, I go online if they update it all
47:32
Speaker 5: the time and I can search it.
47:36
Speaker 2: Now. Luke, not luk e l e wuk, which will
47:41
Speaker 2: show on the screen. That sounds like a rude word
47:45
Speaker 2: to me.
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Speaker 5: No, it's just look the word look and it's pronounced
47:49
Speaker 5: in a kind of two way Luke. You say the
47:52
Speaker 5: word look from the front of the mouth instead of
47:54
Speaker 5: the back of the mouth, it comes out luke. And
47:56
Speaker 5: it's a way of describing very fancy clothes for a
47:59
Speaker 5: special occasion. Oh, what a good look you've got. It
48:02
Speaker 5: came from RuPaul's drag show. And that's all you need
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Speaker 5: to know about it.
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Speaker 2: I don't want to know any more about that. Brogliarchi
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Speaker 2: what's that name?
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Speaker 3: Oh?
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Speaker 5: Brolliarchy is an oligarchy of blokes who get together, usually
48:17
Speaker 5: in it, usually very rich, exercising a lot of power.
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Speaker 5: So it's an oligarchy, small group exercising power. But they're
48:24
Speaker 5: all got their heads together. They're the same age. They're brothers. Brolliarchy.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not even going to ask you about mouse
48:32
Speaker 2: jiggler because I don't want to know. And inspo, I'm
48:35
Speaker 2: sure is not a particularly impressive word. Kel, Great, I'll
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Speaker 2: see you next week, Kel Richards, isn't he fantastic? If
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Speaker 2: you want to look up those words, go online. Here's
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Speaker 2: Andrew Bolt