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stuff in there. So that's a little little PSA
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for the Discord. Let's dive into our two weeks
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ago update. I love these.
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This is a great addition to the episode because it keeps us
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honest and lets us brag a bit and let's see what's been going
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on with our recommendations. So.
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Doctors like this thing that we talked about.
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Yeah, it's pretty sick, guys. The complete we do this.
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Three of us were all like that. We're all like, yeah, this is so
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sick. But yeah, let's start with our
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bylaws from 2 weeks ago. So we had Alex Ovechkin since
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then, eight games played, five goals to assist, 7 points, goals
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in three straight. I think it's safe to say that
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he's turned it around a lot from where he was two weeks ago and
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the Bilo windows probably closed on that one, but hopefully
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people able to pull something off there.
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Then we've got, here's an interesting 1 Jack Hughes since
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then, seven games played to zero goals, 4 assists, 4 points.
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Devils are in shambles. So windows still very open.
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We're still recommending him as a Bylo, but do you guys have any
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worries about what's been going on with Hughes and the Devils or
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is he still you're still fully gungo like this a massive buy
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low opportunity. Maybe it's just because I have
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Brad on my team, so I'm like biased because there's no reason
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this team should not be. First of all, even if they don't
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make the playoffs or like, you know, they're not a great team,
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the fantasy assets on this team should still be delivering.
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Like Brad should still be great. Jack you should still be great.
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Nickel, he should still be great.
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I just traded for Jack Hughes in the expert fantasy Hockey
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League. Give away Drake Batherson and
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Zach Hyman for Jack Hughes and A2 for one deal.
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Maybe it could feel like pretty expensive to a lot of you who
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you know are seen as recent Jacques production and being
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like, you know, I don't really want to on my team or I don't
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believe in the devils. Even if you don't believe in the
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devils, I still think he's a major buy low and he will
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continue. Can you continue to be until the
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production takes up again? I'm I'm not worried at all.
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It's just like point early season like Panera and early
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season like crazy things happen to some of the best players in
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the league and maybe it takes a little longer for them to bounce
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back, but they inevitably do bounce back.
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And it feels like we're gonna be talking about Jack Hughes in
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like 2 weeks and being like, Oh yeah, I remember when he like
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sucked and nobody wanted him on his on the roster anymore.
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Yeah, I wish I would have bought Low because now he's like, you
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know, had a week where you had two points per game or
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something. Yeah, I will say I do think he's
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still injured. I think that I saw a picture of
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him like a week ago or something with the way he was still
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wearing the like hand cast or brace or whatever.
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I think that the Olympics are kind of messing with stuff where
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he came back a bit earlier because maybe one of the
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Olympics and two, the fact that Devils have been so bad.
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So he wants to make playoffs, but also he wants to show that
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he's healthy enough to go to the Olympics.
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So I think there's something there for sure.
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And as he gets healthier, then he's going to go back to the
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player that he normally is. Like, I mean, his shots have
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been down also, you know, it's hard to play hockey with one
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hand, right? So even though his hands like
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good enough to play, it's clearly not at 100%.
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So you need to mean, yeah, I mean, that just kind of adds on
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to the is a pro for what you've been saying.
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Here's a clear thing we can look forward to in terms of his
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production uptaking is him getting healthy.
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So that's definitely a it feels like a really big risk right
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now. But some of the deals that
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people are able to pull off, like, look, you're not going to
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pay full, full value for them. The point of a buy low of like
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this type of buy low is to you like buy low.
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But some of the deals some people are able to pull off and
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people are asking like, should I someone asked if they should get
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rid of Jack Hughes for Silkowski.
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And I'm like, no, be this be the Silkowski guy who gets Jack
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Hughes. You know, like that's that's
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exactly the opposite of what you want to be doing.
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But that's like, that's the fact that was in the realm of
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possibility, you know, like that kind of shows how the sentiment
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around Hughes these days. So all that to say, he's still
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huge buy low. We still believe in the bounce
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back. And and yeah, if you guys have
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questions about who you should use to target, hop in the
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discord and. Let us know.
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It's clearly a problem with the team though.
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Right on the season. He's basically a point per game.
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Still. This is what he does.
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He's a he's like 1.1 point per game player and like he's
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absolutely 6 to be specific. What?
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Upside to be more as well. Yeah, exactly.
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So it's like this is clearly A-Team wide issue, potentially
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the injury as well. There's you can see a glaring
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difference since he's gone back from injury compared to the rest
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of his career stats and the season stats.
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He was doing way better before. So to me, I mean it's like this
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is glaring still a huge Hilo Slowsky is way.
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I mean, I I love Slowsky, but last time when we spoke about
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this, it was Jason Robertson stood so boldy and Reinhart.
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The fact that's left Kofsky is even in like the realm of mind
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of a like that's not a phrase. But anyways.
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Yeah, the realm of. Mine I would.
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Say. Find the, the fact that that's
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even a possibility that someone wants to trade away Hughes for
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that goes to show that you can aim way lower than you were
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aiming 2 weeks ago. I think the price you paired,
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you paid, by the way, Kevin, was fair.
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You gave away Hyman and Batherson.
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Even think that's lower than your targets that you were
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talking about, right? So, but yeah, yeah, but lower
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than Boldy and Special and Reinhardt.
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So it's just gone and I I'm scared of them as a team, but
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I'm not scared of him as an individual producer.
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Yeah, I also think that like, the coach has to be fired at
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some point, right? Yeah.
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If they keep, I mean, that 90 smacking where they left the
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goal, Marsha in the whole time like that.
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Like, I don't understand how you don't get how someone doesn't
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get fired after that. So I think something's gotta
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give. They're not ready.
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Like since the East is so close, even with how bad they've been,
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they're not ready to give up on the season.
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And I think if ever the coach gets fired, I I see I see Dougie
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Hamilton come back on power play 1.
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I see them consolidating their properly one unit.
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I don't know if you guys know this, but right now they have a
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split unit where Jack Hughes is on power play 2, which is just
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absurd. Like no coach with a brain would
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ever do that. It's not really too, but.
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Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's a split, but yeah, it's a mess.
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So I think if the coach ever does get fired or they make a
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trade or something big happens, like there's going to be a shake
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up to the Devils and and he will benefit along with the other top
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guys. I don't want to make this a huge
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Jacque segment, but I do feel like it's important to mention
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as well. Like people are saying that, you
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know, after the Quinn Hughes debacle, like you're really
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affected the mentality of this team too.
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Like they were always feel like they were all expecting to get
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Queens using Minnesota comes in and sweeps in like like deflates
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the the morale of the team a little bit.
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And they're like, OK, well, what do we do now?
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They probably know that like Dougie was in there.
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He didn't want to waive his no move clause.
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So they're like, alright, like, you know, this guy is like, they
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don't want me here, but like I'm forced to be here type of thing
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too. And like he's not doing anything
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to help the team type of thing. Quotation marks.
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And also, I do want to say that like I've been saying the
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discord, a lot of people like, especially if you're new to
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fantasy, this is your first year.
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Maybe you don't have like the knowledge or like the experience
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to know like, you know, the value of these players from year
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to year. But Jack is one of those guys
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that I'm noticing with a lot of people that in the discord that
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are coming in and be like, it's my first year playing fantasy.
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Like how do I value this guy? The value on Jack Hughes is like
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the biggest discrepancy between his actual value and like what
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people are perceiving him right now.
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Like somebody was like, I had no idea Jack Hughes was this
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valuable. Thank you so much for like
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stopping me from trading him away for like peanuts basically.
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So I just wanna PSA to everybody like Jack Hughes when healthy,
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he's like a first round pick pretty much.
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Like he's a guy that can get you 4 shots a game port, 4 power
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play points, 1.1 points feel like the the low end of what you
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can expect from him when everything is clicking.
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Like he's the type of guy that could break 100 points if you
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played a full season. So super valuable guy and I
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really want to acquire him. I'm putting him in the same boat
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as like point and panel from early this season where it
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doesn't make sense why it's so bad but the bounce back feels
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inevitable. Yeah, I like it.
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All right. And then we had Jake Sanderson
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since then, seven games played, one goal, 5 assists, 6 points.
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Seems like the bio is kind of over on that.
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But would I be shocked if if the our Cinderella, you know, goes
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back to a pumpkin And then, you know, like Sanderson is the is
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the epitome of our of a back and forth on this year's Bilo sell
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high. So very streaky.
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But right now he's on a hot streak.
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Exactly. You don't know the toll that
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three buy low sell high has on a person.
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Yeah. So that was our bylaws sell
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highs. These are interesting because
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some of them are still still pretty high.
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But we have Steven Stamkos since then, seven games played, three
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goals, 3 assists, 6 points. Look at the time, he was at like
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2 points per game. So this is still a drop from
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what he was doing. And I expect the drop to just
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keep dropping. But you could still sell high on
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him. And honestly, the fact that it's
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been even longer of him doing this production is and with the
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name value, like you can still get what we were talking about
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two weeks ago. Here's a massive 1.
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Yuri Slifka Osky since then, 7 display to five goals, 5
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assists, 10 points. He heard his owner was uh, was
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putting him on the chopping block, so he he decided to turn
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it up. But now this is like a he.
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This is like sometimes, you know, something like this
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happens. Yeah.
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Talk about Chicky. Chicky is laughing.
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He and he roasted it now. He recommended him two weeks
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ago, but. Him.
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Yeah, OK, OK. My bad, my bad.
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But this might have been We did two out of three of them.
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Yeah, because he was in Korea singing songs in bars.
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Yeah, exactly. He was singing golden for
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everyone. But yeah, so there's sometimes
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like, you know, you talk about a cell high and then he like pops
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off even more and you're like, OK, I was wrong.
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And sometimes when you talk about a cell, he pops off even
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more and you're like, no, this just makes him even more of a
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cell high. And I think this is one of those
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situations. I think you just aim higher than
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we were talking about two weeks ago.
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So if you held on to him and he put up this 10 points and seven
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games for you and you're like, oh, I ignored your advice and I
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was better off. Like, sure.
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But now sell high even more. If you could get a Jack used for
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slap like someone in the chat was talking about like that
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would be huge. I was gonna say just quick cause
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he was the guy that I recommended.
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So if people took my advice, like I'm happy you did, but if
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you still have them and you didn't take my advice yet, I'm
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giving you the advice again. So listen, it's your call to
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listen to us or not. But I, I think Slough is like a
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major cell high still because he's not really shooting as much
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as he usually does. He's not hitting as much as he
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usually does. And you drafted him to be like a
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power forward archetype. He's just not delivering on
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those. And right now, like, yeah, he is
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line 2 and line 2 is clicking, but at some point the line 2
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will slow down too. So 222 I, I, I think you should
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capitalize on this point because I think he also has a name value
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of being first round pick, first overall pick that like whenever
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he does well, people are gonna be alright.
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It's happening type of thing. So yeah, so high if you.
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Can and I actually think this is exactly what he needed to kind
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of be the veteran presence on the line and have the freedom to
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do what he's been doing, which is like, you know, if you watch
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the games driving to the net. This is not like, I'm not gonna
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dive into this too much because I don't wanna be too much of A
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Homer on this, but it's actually really good for his IRL
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development and then and and his his career prospects and even
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for the rest of the year, he's gonna be way better than he was,
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you know, for the first before December.
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It's just that this is like unsustainable. 1.43 points per
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game for the last two weeks is way too high.
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Crazy. That's not a thing.
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Not to mention the fact Kevin mentioned he's shooting last.
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He got a goal last game and recorded zero shots song.
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I saw like he got slashed like on the empty netter.
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Exactly. So I mean, yeah, but I just a
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small thing on this though is like all of her cabinet on this
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line that has actually been really nice and deeper leagues
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like. This Yeah, we talked about him
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on our On the Streamer episode. Yeah.
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I mean, if you, yeah, listen to that episode because he's been
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really good. So yeah, OK.
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And then lastly, this is a big one.
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We had recommended a UC Staros as a cell high two weeks ago.
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Since then, six games played, three wins, 3.19 goals against,
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average point, 888 save percentage.
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I don't know if you guys remember, but two weeks ago he
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was the best goalie in hockey. So yeah, this is all part of our
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not believing in Nashville and clearly being proven right.
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I mean even 3 ones and six games is better than I still think he
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has more down to go. You know, like, I'm really not a
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Nashville believer, but I think the windows probably closed at
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this point on a good cell high. Two weeks ago, he had won eight
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of his last 10 games and was averaging like a 915 save
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percentage. So it was just like a major
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natural was clicking. They're still winning games and
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stuff, but like Soros was way overperforming for what he can
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do. And I feel like we're on, we're
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on the money with all the goalie recommendations we do.
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Like whether it's a below or a cell high, I feel like they
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consistently turn around exactly what we pinpoint them.
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So I wanna give the pot on the back not to.
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Go back to the dev 1 was a crazy one recently, Graveses cell high
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whilst that is all like, I mean all of all the ones you're like
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all the goalie ones we said. It sounds like you have the gun,
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your roster. It feels so bad.
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Like this guys delivering me Goldie Cats every week.
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Like, why am I getting rid of him?
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Like, yeah, you you start thinking of all the ways that it
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could be sustainable, and then it just doesn't sustain.
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So that's it. Yeah.
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That's why it's good. Having the outside, outside
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voice is kind of telling you even for us, right?
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Like Kevin had ask her of and he's like ask her off the goat,
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you know. And I'm like, yes, he's sick,
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but like you should sell high. And obviously Kevin was already
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doing his due diligence, but like you, sometimes you need
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that like side voice to be like, you're having fun right now,
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but, you know, cash in while you can, you know?
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Won't have fun forever. Yeah, exactly.
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That's what friends do is they tell you that the funds gonna
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end. OK, let's type in to our bylaws
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for this week. So I'll get us started off with
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my bio for this week which is Dylan Larkin of the Detroit Red
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Wings. Over the past month he's
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averaging .5 points per game, .27 points and 1.9 shots.
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Detroit lines have been a mess lately with the coach blending
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the even strength and power play lines trying to find more
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offence. But the one constant has been
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Larkins always line one power play 1.
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He should. He should finish the season
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around .9 points per game .35 points, 2.8 shots.
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So he's underperforming in every single metric lately.
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Detroit is still ranked the six best power play in the league.
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They're second in their division, third in the division
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in a percentage, and Larkin is the most important player on
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this team. He was part of a discussion
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earlier of like, is he talismanic?
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Is he not? Whether or not he's talismanic,
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he's the most important player on this team and maybe cider.
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But you know, we'll we'll say Larkin at least look forward and
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this is clearly just a small slump and the bounce back should
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be very soon. So grab them while you can.
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One of the things that might have the owner concerns is the
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shots on goal as well, right? Not just the lack of points, but
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all that should bounce back. There's no reason for him to not
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be doing this well, especially to be doing this poorly,
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especially with how well the team has been doing.
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So some one for one targets keep me honest guys.
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Tell me if I aimed too low with some of these, but I'm talking
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to Steven Stamkos, Brock Nelson, Mika Zibanejad, Matt Barzel.
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I don't think I don't think you're aiming too low at all.
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Actually. I think it's very fair and it's
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it's a great choice because you know, one thing that I'm looking
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at here is that on the season, Larkin is basically at where he
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kind of has been in his career, which is like a little bit less
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than a point per game. And what's different is that
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Detroit score and a lot this year, they've got a lot of
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offensive prowess. And at the beginning, I mean,
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like he was on fire. He was absolutely on fire.
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And I think that this, this current slump is less of, OK,
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regressing back to his career stats and more just like, OK,
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this is just a slump he's going through.
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And Detroit's gonna still score a lot and he's gonna be scoring
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a lot more going forward. So I really like this as a
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choice. I mean, not to one of these guys
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is myself high, so I don't want to dive too much into it.
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But I think they're all great choices.
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And even with the name value like Larkin, Larkin super great
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because of his category coverage.
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That's what he's been reliable for for years.
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And I think what's what's great is that his points are going to
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bounce back to. So with the name value, I don't
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think you're selling like it's not.
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This is not like a Jack Hughes where I feel like the names that
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you at least in more experienced league would maybe be a little
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too low. Larkins, not that name pedigrees
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low second round pick usually. And I think you could really
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flip some of these guys for him. I mean, I I love lark and I feel
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like every year he's one of the better.
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He's one of the better pure sees that doesn't get like the hype
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that he deserves. I feel that people tend to over
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like usually value him a little lower than what his true value
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is. I will say though, like over the
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last month, the stats look bad because he's been averaging like
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half a point per game, but over the last five games he's got
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four goals, 4 power play points. So maybe the Bylo window is like
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slightly smaller than it was. You know, if you look at the
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numbers on the month, it looks worse than if you look at the
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numbers like over the last week. But he's still a guy that I
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would love to have my roster. I feel like he had so much early
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season production that if somebody just looking at like
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his, you know, his ranking in your season total league, like
18:59
it's gonna be way higher than than you would expect.
19:02
And maybe that makes the buy low little harder.
19:04
But the names that you're giving, I would I would love.
19:06
I think Mike is a manager is a great one because listen, you're
19:10
giving away the best playoff schedule, but you're getting a
19:13
guy that is a better player. So this is one of those
19:15
situations where I would love to make a move like that.
19:17
Stamkos is a no brainer. Barzel is a no brainer to me.
19:20
Brock person is the only one that I feel like people maybe
19:22
not buy into the recent production because the name that
19:24
he has. But if you can make that deal,
19:26
if you can make like no Stamkos plus Nelson for Larkin, that's a
19:29
slam dunk to me. So I love buying Low and Larkin
19:33
if it's available for you and the targets are great.
19:36
Nice. Yeah, great.
19:37
Kevin, who you got for? Us.
19:39
Alright, this might surprise some people, but listen, I have
19:42
playoffs in mind so I'm sharing my wisdom with everybody, but I
19:46
think there is a window right now to buy low on Morgan Geeky.
19:50
Wow. Now listen, this may be shocking
19:53
for some because he's been a cell high like the entire
19:56
season. It feels like he's been a sell
19:57
high. So I I really think that if you
20:01
combine Morgan geeky on the low because Boston is so bad, this
20:04
guys, they're probably not making the playoffs.
20:06
We've talked about it many times already.
20:08
I don't think making the playoffs, the team is bad.
20:11
There's very minimal good players on this team.
20:13
He's not going to score every game, but he's not going to be
20:15
as bad as he's been over the last stretch.
20:18
And let's not forget Boston has an elite playoff schedule.
20:21
If your playoffs are we 21 to 20?
20:23
3 So you get that now, yeah. You gotta make sure it's those
20:27
weeks, but he's got more games than all three of those weeks.
20:30
So in the league playoff schedule and if you look at the
20:32
stats shooting less, his points have regressed significantly.
20:36
The power play points of regress significantly.
20:39
He's triple eligible. And I just feel like why I put
20:42
him as a bi Lo is that the sentiment around geeky was when
20:47
he was when he was high, everybody loved him, but it felt
20:50
like nobody like gave him his flowers, You know, I mean, it
20:52
was just like right at all his hot type of thing.
20:53
And now that he's slowed down, people are like, alright, he's
20:56
nothing. It's kind of like he's falling
20:58
down to earth. Like I got the production now
21:00
he's asked. I'll just get it cut him, but I
21:03
think that you you can still buy low if he's on waivers, like you
21:05
pick him up like I mean, he's 91% on waivers in many leagues.
21:09
But I I really think you can pay a low price for geeky right now.
21:13
And the name value is really doing a lot of heavy lifting
21:15
here because people are not going to give him, you know, the
21:18
flowers for the early production that he had.
21:19
So if you can send a guy like, you know, we talked about
21:21
Stamkos in A1. For one thing, that's extremely
21:23
feasible right now because Stamkos is like the opposite.
21:26
He has the name value even though the production wasn't
21:28
there. Not the production is there.
21:29
I think he's able to be sold in a trade.
21:31
I think Ryan O'Reilly, we keep recommending him on the waiver
21:34
shows. So listen, if he's on waivers,
21:35
we probably can't trade him for Morgan Geeky.
21:37
But if he's on your roster and playing a deep enough league, I
21:39
would make a swap like that. Jared McCann, I feel like he's
21:42
been so hot over the last two weeks.
21:44
If you can flip a guy on Seattle who has a terrible playoff
21:47
schedule in weeks 21 to 23 for got Morgan Geekie, not only are
21:50
you upping your playoff value, but you're getting a guy that I
21:53
expect to get more points and more PowerPoints throughout the
21:56
end of the year. And I think William Eckland
21:58
maybe on the lower side of of names, but he's been really hot.
22:00
He's been shooting a lot. You know, the Sharks are getting
22:03
up and running right now. Will Smith is coming back.
22:05
Maybe the more offence around the team, he's playing with
22:08
celebrity, you're able to sell that for, you know, a Morgan
22:10
geeky. I think that's a slam dunk.
22:13
Yeah, I mean, this is this is a spicy one to me because I feel
22:19
like, I mean, he even was very clear that he was
22:22
overperforming. Interview was like, yeah, I'm
22:25
not usually this. He didn't say that, but he was
22:28
like when he was like, I think what was it one of the best
22:31
goal? Scorers tied with McKinnon for
22:33
like #1 goals in. The yeah, exactly.
22:35
He was like, he was like, I think he said something like, I
22:39
don't belong in this category that most people do that.
22:44
Yeah, exactly. And that's a super humble thing
22:46
to say. So like, you know, good guy,
22:48
points to geeky over there. Realistically, I do like the
22:52
swap. Will it be what it was, the
22:56
production? I am reluctant to believe that
22:59
it can be, but I think it's going to be better than it is.
23:02
And look, NHL teams, despite not making the playoffs and
23:05
everything, like, they still try.
23:06
They're still going to have to score.
23:07
And he's the second best bet to get you production on this team
23:11
with a great playoff schedule. So I think that the formula here
23:14
makes a lot of sense. It's just going to be a bumpier
23:16
ride than you were used to if you know, you picked him as a
23:19
late round Arthro at the beginning of this year.
23:22
As far as the targets, the only one I'm kind of hesitant on and
23:26
I understand what the playoff schedule, but I do think McCann
23:28
will be better points wise. I think that's fair.
23:33
I know Seattle has gone on like a stretch.
23:34
I just think that I actually think he's the best player on
23:37
that team. So I think that maybe points,
23:39
but still like I can, I do agree that there's a world in which
23:43
the playoff schedule you're happier with Kiki.
23:45
I was actually going to say, so I agree with the buy low.
23:48
I think it's fantastic. I mean, I had Geeky, I drafted
23:51
him super late. He was amazing.
23:52
I sold high on him and if I could buy a low, buy him low
23:56
back, I would absolutely do that.
23:57
I would love to have him back on my team.
23:59
But I was actually gonna say, I think Mckenna's the only one
24:01
that actually can't get done. I think, I think the, I think
24:04
the name is too low compared to Geeky right now.
24:06
I think Stamkos, Oreilly, Ecklund, those are all ones that
24:10
could get done. I know McKenna had a hot
24:12
stretch, but he's only played like for like 2 weeks healthy
24:15
this year, you know, like he's been in here for most of the
24:17
year. He's, you know, um, so I
24:19
definitely prefer geeky McCann and I just don't think the key
24:21
owner would do that. And I don't put it out.
24:24
There. So I just think we can maybe,
24:26
yeah. This is always, we say it on
24:29
every episode, but like one for ones are very hard to do.
24:31
So you make these trays in A2 for two.
24:34
But like Dickey's got two points over the last two weeks.
24:37
It's like he's a .33 points per game over the last two weeks.
24:39
Yeah, it's pretty bad. When we were selling him, when
24:42
we were selling him as a sell high, he was at like 1.21 point
24:45
3 points per game and like most of those were goals completely
24:49
unsustainable. We've seen it come crashing
24:50
down. Last season it was a .75.
24:52
I expect him to be a point 8.85 type of player, which is still
24:56
very valuable for fantasy, especially when you can buy them
24:59
at .33 value. So that's kind of where my head
25:01
is at. Like you're not expecting an
25:03
amazing shots either. Like it'll hover around 2:00,
25:05
but he'll shoot more than he's been doing, which is like 1.5
25:08
recently. So this this is, I feel like
25:11
it's more valuable if you're in a deeper league or geeky, like
25:15
won't be the worst guy on your team type of thing where he's
25:17
way better than a streaming spot in my opinion.
25:20
But he's not like going to be one of your top five studs
25:22
either, right? So it's gonna lead us like 14
25:24
teams league or 14 team league deep or your rosters are like 12
25:28
teams, but like pretty deep. I think this is like a
25:30
phenomenal choice for your as a bylaw.
25:32
Yeah, and again, unreal playoff schedule and triple eligible is
25:35
very nice to have. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
25:38
OK. I'm going to get into line over
25:41
here, so I'll just dive right into it because it's a goalie 1
25:47
and our goalie ones have been have been pretty good like Josh
25:50
said. So this one though it may not be
25:52
as immediate of a turnaround because he's just kind of an all
25:55
over the place guy. So let's do it.
25:59
Do all the Jake Ottinger owners who drafted him in the second or
26:04
third round of their fantasy leagues expecting solid and
26:06
consistent goalies on a on a cup contending team and ending up
26:10
feeling all right now? Should I pick up the Smith
26:13
because he's clearly outperforming Auditor?
26:15
I hear your cries. I've been there and this is
26:18
frustrating with the capital F and a capital rust rating.
26:22
I didn't draft him this year, but for context, in our fourteen
26:26
man league, Jay Goldinger got picked early third round beat
26:30
and he's actually the reason him specifically that I've committed
26:33
to 0G because I picked him with a high pick two years ago, got
26:37
scared because of the inconsistency, and he also had a
26:39
potential injury and so I traded him away.
26:41
Lo and behold, the guy I traded him to won the league.
26:44
And as a cherry on top, I decided to start a podcast with
26:46
him. Josh OK, all this to say, it's
26:53
always a bumpy ride with anger, but I'm here to tell you that
26:55
even though it's tumultuous, there's no way he's going to be
26:59
supplanted as the starter on this team.
27:02
It's the perfect time to buy low because he's been absolute a
27:05
dollar sign, dollar sign over the last two weeks and and the
27:09
last month overall. For comparison, Jacob Markstrom,
27:13
who led in nine goals last week in one single game, has a better
27:18
goals against average save percentage and more wins a K1
27:21
versus auditors 0 to 0 over the last two.
27:24
Weeks crazy. Stuff.
27:26
All in all it's going to be annoying to own him, but you're
27:29
far better off with him over many other goalies over
27:32
performing as of late. I think what you need to do is
27:35
aim for a quantity starter here, but it's gotta be guys on less
27:39
good teams than Dallas who are overperforming or goalies on
27:42
good teams that seemed to be running away with the starting
27:44
job, but may not be an example of the latter.
27:47
There would be Brandon Bussey, who I think is, you know, pretty
27:51
much there, but I'd still definitely rather Ottinger.
27:54
And as far as, you know, overperforming goalies on less
27:57
good teams. You got John Gibson, who I know
28:00
Detroit's going to score a lot, but he's just been on fire.
28:03
Jet Greaves also, you know you're happy with them on your
28:06
team but way rather odd under Joseph Woll, Philip Gustafson
28:11
and Ilya Sorokin. What do y'all think?
28:15
I think this is such a good one. This is like if if you hadn't
28:18
highlighted it, I think I would have had to because this is such
28:20
a clear. I love final on Edinger.
28:22
It's always worked well for me. So yeah, I I would never, I
28:26
would never recommend against it.
28:28
Look, I hate drafting an adventure because you have to
28:30
get him. But I love waiting for him to
28:32
have a bad stretch and then buying law on him.
28:34
Because end of the day, Dallas is the second best team in the
28:37
league and he's going to figure out he's one of the best goalies
28:39
in the league. So I'm not worried about how
28:40
he's doing at all. But it has been awful in terms
28:43
of your targets. I mean, obviously none of these
28:46
are happening one for one, right?
28:47
We always talk about like in a 2 for two package, something like
28:49
that. I think the name that gets you
28:51
there the best is Gust of Sin and I'll still take Auger over
28:54
him. So I think that's a that's a
28:55
good one. Sorokin after his most recent
28:58
game and the name value can get you there.
29:01
I don't think there's any way that I we all love the busy, but
29:05
I just I don't see how. I mean, I think you'd have to
29:07
add a significant piece for that to get done.
29:10
Same with the wall. Um, same with the Gibson and
29:13
grieves. Maybe a little less significant
29:15
piece. It's just it's just the name
29:16
value, right. You're talking about like same
29:17
with buying hello bucks so bad. But like in most leagues, like
29:21
the person who has him is not going to trade him unless he
29:23
gets someone some of that name value back.
29:25
So it's hard to pluck these guys.
29:27
But if you're in the right league where the manager is just
29:30
super frustrated, if you know there's always the perfect
29:32
scenario, the managers like frustrated with audience.
29:35
They're losing their goalie cats every week specifically because
29:37
of him. They're low in the standings,
29:39
but they're trying to make a push.
29:40
Like if all those stars align, you can get a really sick deal
29:43
on him. So I think these are all good
29:44
foot in the door. I think the most likely ones are
29:46
the the gust of sentence broken. But I think these can all help
29:49
get you there in a package. Completely agree.
29:53
I mean, Gustus and Stroke were two names I was gonna highlight
29:55
as well that I feel like I could get you to answer pretty
29:57
quickly. The thing with like we're all 0G
30:00
on this, on this podcast, I feel like the best fantasy players
30:03
are the ones that don't draft those goalies so high because
30:06
first of all, they're so volatile and you can always get
30:08
great value later in the season. How you win your leagues,
30:11
though, is when you go 0G, you know, you stop the gaps
30:14
throughout the whole season and do pretty well and then you have
30:17
the opportunity to cash in and buy low on somebody got great
30:20
value and later in your draft and flip them for one of those
30:22
because you didn't end up drafting.
30:24
This is one of those scenarios we talked about with helck last
30:26
week, Arranger this week, windows elite, elite goalies cup
30:30
come around and you're able to buy them.
30:33
It can really make you a juggernaut if you built your
30:35
team properly. And I mean, I feel like Josh
30:37
does this every season where you know, he goes to 0G and then he
30:40
ends up with like the Blackwoods or the auditors on his team and
30:42
then it really makes the team super well-rounded.
30:44
This is your opportunity opportunity to do the same
30:47
thing. But I do think that when you're
30:49
buying these guys, you need like, no matter how bad they
30:53
are, similar name value never goes away.
30:56
And like auditors in that category, Hella bug Vasilevsky,
30:59
like these guys, just like no matter how good, how bad they
31:02
are, you still have to give. So I think Gibson Greaves and
31:06
boots here are too close to the waiver wire to be able to like
31:08
pull enough weight to get you there.
31:10
But maybe it's, you know, one of those goalies plus like a decent
31:14
player and they can get you there.
31:16
Like maybe a John Gibson who's actually been on fire.
31:18
When you guys look at it like a Gibson plus Zach Hyman fraud,
31:21
anger type of thing, I think that could get done.
31:24
Yeah, Drake Sanderson. I feel like that's always feels
31:27
like the perfect game in these traits.
31:29
It it depends how deep your roster is and like where you're
31:32
willing to go. But like if Gibson was a guy you
31:33
picked up on waivers and you're basically trading like, you
31:35
know, your seventh round pick of Drake Batherson for for auditor
31:39
was a second or third round pick.
31:40
Like that could be good value. It might also be too expensive
31:43
for what you're willing to give, but you know, you're league and
31:46
how influential that position would be for your team.
31:48
But love the auditor pick. I think he's going to have a
31:50
major bounce back when we talk about him in two weeks.
31:52
Yeah, that's gonna be a fun one to look back on.
31:55
And the only thing I will say, and I agree with you by the way,
31:57
it's going to be tough. It's just that we're in a league
31:59
that's like very firm with the goal.
32:03
The goalie situation is odd for us because they're
32:05
simultaneously worth a lot. Yet also people kind of like
32:11
really wanna stay firm with who they have.
32:14
Whereas in other leagues people get a lot more impatient with
32:17
goalies like I've seen. So I wouldn't, I would still try
32:21
to do something along the lines of a one for one and then maybe
32:24
you can add the names that we mentioned.
32:26
But this is one of those things that like, I don't think it's an
32:29
insulting offer to do like a a Gibson plus, maybe even like a
32:33
less than Batherson. You know what I mean, just to
32:36
show it because Gibson does still have that name value as an
32:39
example. But see, I agree, by the way,
32:40
totally. I see it.
32:43
And I would go for the ones who have the same value as a one for
32:46
one more like. So if you do have Sorokin, I
32:48
would put Gibson in that category and Gustafson as well.
32:51
I would try one for one and then settle to give a little bit of a
32:54
piece extra and you'll be happy either way.
32:56
Yeah. OK, let's go to our cell highs
33:00
for this week. I'll start us off this uh, never
33:04
like saying one of our halves guys as a sell high because
33:07
obviously we're all huge fans, but.
33:08
We're not homers, though. We're not homers, and sometimes
33:11
what they're doing is just insane.
33:13
Speaking of what they're doing is insane, Lane Hudson of the
33:17
Montreal Canadiens. Over the past month, Hudson is
33:19
averaging 1.4 points per game .33 points, 1.6 shots, 1.6
33:25
blocks. His points have been insanely
33:27
but there is no defence and that scores at this pace.
33:30
To give you some context, last year there were only three
33:33
defensemen in the NHL who finished over a point per game,
33:36
and the top one was Macar at 1.15.
33:39
So if we assume that Hudson drops down to the point where he
33:43
matches Caleb Mccarry from last season, then he's already losing
33:46
.25 points per game from his last month's pace.
33:49
If he drops to a point per game, which again will only three
33:52
defensemen in the league did last year, that's a .4 points
33:55
drop which is massive. He's an amazing dad, but this is
33:59
just clearly unsustainable and he's playing so ridiculously
34:02
well. You should be able to flip him
34:03
for a top 5D who gets a lot of shots on goal and should end
34:06
with similar points. That's the big thing with
34:08
Hudson, like obviously the points are going to drop, but
34:10
he's still going to be comparable with the top
34:11
defenseman rest of season in terms of points.
34:13
But the fact is that it's back cats just aren't that great.
34:16
The blocks aren't actually not bad, 1.6 isn't terrible, but the
34:18
shots is really not great. So if you can flip him for a guy
34:21
who's underperforming points wise but should end up in
34:23
similar points but will also get you those back cats, then I view
34:26
that as a pretty solid win. So the guys I'm looking at,
34:29
again, I'm only looking really of the line, Rasmus Dahlin,
34:32
Quinn Hughes, Evan Bouchard and then kill Mccarr for Hudson
34:35
Plus. But I think like Hudson's
34:37
playing so well that he can get your foot in the door on a on
34:40
getting a kale macar. It essentially doesn't get
34:43
better than these targets. Yeah, Yeah, right.
34:45
I mean, it's you're aiming as high as one can aim.
34:50
And I don't think it's unattainable because I think
34:52
that he's kind of getting in that conversation right there.
34:55
And it's definitely a glaring cell high.
34:57
I wanted to recommend him last week.
34:58
I just thought that Dobson was like a sell higher because he
35:02
doesn't have the power play one. But even since then, I mean,
35:06
Dobson still been decent, but like Hudson has just been
35:09
tearing it up. It's clear, clear cell.
35:13
Can you do it for these names? Like do you think you could do
35:16
the Quinn Hughes 11 for one? I think Darlene and Quinn
35:19
Hughes, like you can actually just do one for one.
35:22
Dalene absolutely. Someone can Dobson for Dolly and
35:24
in the discord they told us, yeah.
35:26
So I mean you could. Definitely see in a lot of
35:29
things you probably get Darling plus like, yeah, so that one
35:33
definitely can get done. Quinn has been really bad and I
35:35
think the I mean he had that one for us this game, but like he
35:38
just hasn't been that great this year.
35:40
I think that could get done same with like I mean Bouchard like
35:44
he's been benefiting from the McDavid sweepstakes lately.
35:47
So it's a that that might be a hard one.
35:49
And obviously my car is the hardest, but even my car like
35:51
until his last game where he had a three-point game, he was only
35:53
averaging only averaging like a point per game, right, which is
35:56
like obviously insane, but how does that 1.4.
36:00
So obviously you'd have to do Hudson plus from a car because
36:02
just the name values there. But like I think Hudson gets you
36:05
in the door for any defenseman in the league.
36:07
The only one I didn't mention is Warenski because he's been even
36:10
more insane than Hudson somehow. So that's like, that's not gonna
36:13
happen. It's crazy that you didn't
36:15
mention warranty, but you mentioned like Macar and it's
36:18
like, it's a wild like how that goes.
36:19
Yeah, I first of all, I just wanna say love the love the the
36:23
whole thing with selling high on the lane Hudson and we're all
36:26
Habs fans here, guys. We're all from Montreal like
36:29
this. This is our boy.
36:30
Yeah, but fantasy value above all else.
36:33
So we're producing at this level and you have the capitalize on
36:35
it. That's like the main thing we
36:36
always say. My question is, how low are you
36:40
willing to go with Hudson? Yeah, like what about Sanderson?
36:43
What about trend? Think who else like a Haskin in
36:47
like. What I mean honestly, like for
36:50
me, for me the lowest something goes doline at this point.
36:54
OK. Yeah.
36:55
So you want to kind of these other guys?
36:57
Yeah. I I don't see why I would like,
36:59
I love Sanderson, I think he's fantastic, but I don't see any
37:02
reason why Hudson shouldn't get more points than him rest this
37:04
season. Yet, and you'd rather just like,
37:06
stream the production somewhere else for like the shots and
37:09
blocks you're missing out on. I mean, look at like Sanderson's
37:11
like a two shots, two blocks, Hudson's 1.61.6.
37:14
It's not enough presence. Yeah, exactly.
37:17
Cider is the only other name where I'm just like and warenski
37:21
like of the ones that you didn't mention.
37:22
Yeah, I would love to have. It's just like he's not
37:25
attainable and I'll be giving a. 100% exactly.
37:27
But I'm saying like basically it's like those are the guys and
37:29
then there's lane. So it's like, but I would still
37:32
consider, I mean especially Makar, if that's in the realm of
37:36
possibility, like that's a huge upgrade.
37:40
I think I take Hudson over chicken.
37:42
We talked about this, I feel like a couple weeks ago and we
37:45
were just like then chicken was like the guy when he was hot,
37:47
hot, hot. We were like, he might be the
37:49
first guy. I was sort of like that top five
37:51
that we. Won that's I mean chicken shots
37:52
are unreal. That's fair.
37:54
If you can get like chicken plus for Hudson and a big plus
37:57
because of how they've been doing differently than I like
37:59
that as a trade. You know, I think you should
38:03
have Hudson. You have to try to trade him
38:04
right now. And all these guys are Josh
38:06
mentioned. Like we know we were trying to
38:07
go deeper, but you you want to get the best value possible.
38:10
So if you can get like a Darlene or Quinn Hughes or a Bouchard, I
38:12
think that's amazing and you'll be happy you did.
38:16
Yeah, yeah. I mean.
38:17
It's also my my low, almost my by low.
38:20
Like he, Yeah, he's been bad enough that I was going to
38:23
mention him, but I gotta, I got to mention the geek.
38:28
Yeah, yeah, if you can, if you can make this happen.
38:31
And I I think it is possible. I mean, there's also like tons
38:34
of Habs fans who play fantasy, like we just happen to be like 3
38:38
Habs fans. But there will be expand in your
38:42
league. Like there's gonna be 1 wherever
38:45
you are playing fantasy in the world, like the Montreal
38:48
Canadiens just there. I mean, they won the most
38:51
Stanley Cups ever. Yeah, we did.
38:54
Yeah, they're like the Josh of the NHL, you know?
38:57
OK, let's move on. Yeah.
39:01
All this to say that they would they would be willing to buy
39:04
Hudson, that's probably an outside price.
39:05
That's why I said that not not just the flex.
39:10
OK, let's get into Kevin's choice for his cell high this.
39:12
Week I'm actually really excited to talk about this player.
39:16
I don't know if you guys saw who I put in the dock, but I want to
39:20
talk about the goat, the banger beast, Kiefer Sherwood of the
39:25
now Vancouver Canucks future. Who knows, But if you have key
39:30
for sure on your team, you know you probably want your hits
39:32
every week all of last year. Like it was actually ridiculous
39:37
and you might have think this is the only thing is good.
39:40
But keep for sure with this year has shown you that he's way more
39:42
than just a hits hits beast because he can score score on
39:45
the power play and shoot a lot. He's actually been insane.
39:49
Like I feel like you don't understand how insane he's been
39:51
unless you look at his numbers over the last month.
39:54
First of all, he's averaging 5.5 hits a game.
39:58
That alone will when you hit no matter how many games a week
40:00
he's playing shots, he's averaging three shots a game.
40:04
So 3 is like basically a three and a six over the last month
40:08
.38 power play. Points over the last month, he's
40:12
at .54 points. So basically all his production
40:15
is on the power play so that you're just like, OK, so like
40:18
what if he's not on the power play, he's gonna score a lot
40:20
less. Facts.
40:21
How does he get off this power play?
40:23
Probably gonna get traded. Feel like it's a really out
40:27
there right now that Kiefer Sherwood is one of those names
40:29
that the Vancouver connects trying to shop the most.
40:31
They're just trying to get as much value for him as possible.
40:34
And I think you want to trade him before that happens because
40:38
I think there's almost no situation in the league where he
40:41
gets traded and he keeps top 6 deployment with power play, 1
40:45
exposure. And that's basically what's
40:47
making him truly elite for fantasy right now.
40:49
It's the point that he's like that he's keeping as well as the
40:52
shots on the hits. He can still hit a lot wherever
40:55
he goes. Well, he hit six hits a game.
40:57
I think he can only go down. So maybe he becomes a 3 1/2 hit
41:01
a game guy and maybe 1.5 shots and he's getting you like .3
41:06
points per game with no power play points.
41:08
Like that's a realistic outcome if he gets traded and it feels
41:11
like it was like an 85% chance that he gets traded.
41:14
So I'm really trying to capitalize on his value right
41:16
now in Bangor leagues, it might feel terrible to get him off
41:19
your team because of how valuable he is.
41:21
You're seeing this guy when you when you shot and hit on a
41:23
weekly basis and scoring you power play goals, you're you're
41:26
laughing. You pick this guy up like so
41:27
late in your draft. But I'm telling you right now,
41:30
if he gets traded, and it feels like it's a huge likely, if
41:33
right now you're not going to want him on your roster because
41:37
he's not going to be as valuable, you're going to want
41:38
the guy you can trade him for right now on your roster way
41:41
more than who he becomes. So I'm just trying to get ahead
41:43
of the curve here and be like, listen, the trade, the trade,
41:46
the trade windows happening soon.
41:49
Capitalize right now Walley's doing these insane numbers and
41:52
listen, I think you can target. I was a pretty high guys.
41:57
I tried to list guys that are we'll get you hits as well.
42:00
So it's not like you're going from six hits to zero hits.
42:02
So if you can get like a sketch who has been pretty hot as of
42:06
late as well, like just pretty good.
42:08
But sure, what has been insane for the for the bangers.
42:12
If you get Tempe on this Latina struggling to score, I think
42:15
it's a phenomenal, phenomenal trade.
42:17
You're not going to get the six hits a game, but you're gonna
42:19
get way more points, power play points and shots.
42:22
Nico Hischer. I think I'm trying to go pure
42:24
see here. He's been disappointing.
42:26
People are not really happy with any New Jersey Devils players
42:28
right now. I think teachers are phenomenal
42:30
by low and they're just getting way more like a higher tier of
42:34
value. When he's running roster and the
42:36
highest guy on think I'm mentioning is Forsberg.
42:38
I think he's the guy that closely matches the Sherwood
42:40
archetype at a lesser degree. But when you're trading for a
42:45
bad championship week in Week 23, but if you're able to trade
42:49
Kiefer Sherwood for Philip Forsberg, it's going to take
42:51
more than that obviously. But if that's the core of the
42:53
package, I think going to be so happy with that.
42:56
What do you think? These are not.
42:58
This stuff is crazy since, uh, since December 20th, he his
43:09
worst hits game has been four and then he's had three games
43:14
with 1110 and nine hits. Yeah, how do?
43:18
You do do that like it's actually crazy.
43:24
The points reduction is wild too, considering it's all power
43:27
play points which gets you a boost in any league.
43:29
The shots like this to me it's like there's just simply nowhere
43:32
to go from down even if somehow he doesn't get traded, which he
43:35
will. So like there's in no way shape
43:39
or form is this not a cell high And I have Forsberg.
43:42
If someone offered it to me one for one like I wouldn't do it,
43:45
but I wouldn't be like wow this is insulting.
43:47
We are seizing trade talks. Like I'd be like, alright, this
43:51
is like if I, if I wasn't a host and listener to Bangor
43:55
Management, the Fantasy Hockey podcast, I would be like, yeah,
43:57
you know, I see where this guy's gone from.
44:00
Yeah, so. The biggest issue here is the
44:04
getting, getting the mental will to actually get them off your
44:08
team. Yep.
44:09
OK. I mean, this is just a bangers
44:11
league dream come true if you've been able to have that this
44:14
year. And yeah, I mean, not much more
44:18
to say other than I also do think your targets are fair and
44:21
attainable and probably the plus is not gonna be as drastic as
44:27
you'd think. So.
44:28
Yeah, I think that we talk about like, you know, two types of
44:33
cell highs, which is the you know yeah, you'll still be he'll
44:36
still be good rest of season. You'll be happy on your team and
44:38
like get him off your team now sure, what's kind of in the
44:40
middle of that, because Bing's wise you're still gonna be happy
44:43
to have him rest of the season points and power play points
44:45
wise and get him off your team now.
44:47
So that's this is a huge the trade is coming.
44:50
It's literally like I'm we're always you know, have our eye on
44:53
like what's going on trade rumors, whatever key for sure.
44:55
What is the biggest name out there?
44:56
Like he's going to be the first guy traded from that Canucks and
44:59
they're trying to sell everyone. So he is absolutely getting
45:02
traded. He is gonna lose so much value.
45:05
Everything Agree with everything you said.
45:07
In terms of the targets, I think Sketch and Forsberg are aiming
45:10
too high. But you mentioned it would have
45:12
to be in a package. So in a package it definitely
45:14
could get done. And then my favorite one is
45:16
actually campus. I think there's a world like I
45:18
think there's a lot of leagues where this get done one for one,
45:20
which is insane. Like if you said that at the
45:22
start of the year, like you would be like you're on
45:25
something, you know what you're getting.
45:28
There's no way you're getting company for Kiefer Sherwood.
45:30
But I think right now, at this point in time, there are I'm
45:33
going to make up a number, let's say in like 55% of leagues, you
45:36
can do that one for one. So like and and I think that's
45:41
just insane, insane trade. He sure, I like as well.
45:44
I think that could also. That's probably even easier to
45:46
get done than the campaign one. But it's like you could maybe
45:49
get Heather plus. Honestly, yeah, I just like
45:52
Kempe better than he sure. That's why that's my favorite my
45:54
favorite pick. But campaign are both amazing
45:56
targets. I'll take both of them over Sure
45:57
would. Obviously if you do he sure one
45:59
you're going to have to make another pickup for hits so that
46:01
you don't lose that category all together, but that you go for
46:04
value in your trades. Then you can adjust your stream
46:06
response accordingly. So it's not the end of the
46:07
world. So now this is a fantastic,
46:09
fantastic pick everyone was sure would send it out for Kempe.
46:12
One for one right now, just I want to see what happens.
46:14
I wanna see 55. 7 + 7 plus then see like OK if the owner is like
46:19
really giving you a hard time like then work your way down but
46:22
like don't know your best offer. Yeah.
46:25
But yeah, so this is great. It's stellar.
46:28
Early is. I love that reference.
46:30
Kevin, by the way, to all you Fantasy Footballers listeners
46:34
and Back to the Future people. It's from there.
46:38
There's like a song Back to the Future.
46:40
He does 55, so yeah. That were the yeah, they come
46:45
for the footballers. I think it's, I mean, it's just
46:47
like a song from that era, but I think in the second one, like I
46:50
remember like watching that. Movie.
46:52
That's exactly what. So what?
46:54
I know, I know. It's like.
46:55
The main gripe on my resume is like, I haven't.
46:57
Seen the future? You just send it to the main
47:00
gripe, the Miracle on Ice Disney version.
47:05
You see now, now he specifies Disney version we have.
47:07
Talked about the Disney version before so I wasn't aware.
47:12
Much of the non Disney version so I'm not the only one we've
47:14
seen in. Jake is closer to you.
47:17
Yeah, that's true. Alright, OK.
47:20
Moving on to my cell high, I think that this is a good one.
47:26
I think not too controversial here, you'll probably agree we
47:30
have of the Colorado Avalanche, Brock Nelson.
47:35
I'm going to start with all the good things here, OK?
47:37
Nelson was an awesome acquisition by the ABS last year
47:40
and he may be one of the most underrated reasons for their
47:44
success as a team so far in 2526.
47:47
He doesn't have the McKinnon Mccarr star power or the
47:50
naturalness of Natures heart eyes, but a veteran presence as
47:54
their two see is exactly what they've been missing since they
47:57
won the cup with Kadri who almost scored 90 points in that
48:02
season when they when they won the cup.
48:05
Nelson was also no slash on the Islanders and he had a few 65
48:09
plus point seasons. So everything from the dominant
48:13
nature of the ABS to Nelson being solid in his own right
48:18
when he was on the Islanders, A similar situation in Quadri
48:21
during the dominant season. And last but not least, Nelson's
48:24
newfound spot on power play, one which you know has actually
48:27
performed nicely over the last five games.
48:29
This makes Nelson a super intriguing sell high with all
48:33
the great things I just listed. It still doesn't in any way,
48:36
shape or form warrant a 1.3 points per game pace over the
48:40
last month and 1.71 points per game over the last two weeks.
48:45
Those that's those are super elite numbers that only the
48:49
league superstars and Lane Hudson score at, who is also an
48:52
emerging superstar. Just saying, um and yeah, this
48:57
incredible stint is just there's no way it's not gonna be short
49:01
lived for Nelson because he can't perform at this level
49:05
going forward. Additionally, the Avs lead the
49:07
league in goals by a wide margin this year, but the power play
49:11
production is oxymoronically bad as they sit in 24th in the
49:16
league. Making up for my made-up phrase
49:19
earlier. And I think that this also may
49:20
have been somewhat misused, but hey, I love it.
49:23
It's a nice big word. They are they're they're 24th in
49:27
the league and they were also bottom tier last year.
49:30
So we we said that it could just be that their power play is not
49:33
that good, even though they're even strength deployment,
49:35
they're even strength production is ridiculous.
49:37
Even if Nelson ends up at .9 points per game rest of season,
49:41
which is attainable and you'd be happy rostering that now is
49:44
probably the best time that you're gonna have all season to
49:46
level up. Giving our strongest productions
49:48
been how nice the situations looking.
49:50
And I don't think you can sell them one for one for an elite
49:53
elite player, unless it's maybe Jack Hughes, which was one of my
49:57
targets who's been underperforming.
49:58
But like I still don't think that's possible.
50:00
So you would have to give plus, but you'll be happy.
50:03
But there are some other guys that I do think you could do one
50:06
for one. We mentioned a few of them so
50:08
far, so Larkin, you got Forsberg and then Suzuki and Cousins.
50:15
What do you guys think? Dylan Paul.
50:17
Not no, cousin. I'm sure you could I'm sure you
50:21
could get Nick Cousins. But yeah, this is this is one of
50:25
the another another home run pick for Jakey this week.
50:29
This is such an insane so high. Like it's honestly, honestly
50:35
like crazy. Like you said, .9 is doable and
50:38
it is. But even that I feel like it's
50:40
like ceiling, you know, like I could see him being like point
50:43
8.85 rest of the season again, still something you're very
50:45
happy with. But like this is just crazy what
50:48
he's doing. So I think everything you said
50:50
is just very clear, very clearly a cell high slide into the
50:52
targets. Larkin, obviously, I'd mentioned
50:54
Nelson as a guy you can use for him.
50:56
So fully agree with that. Suzuki getting an amazing one,
50:59
much prefer Suzuki cross position.
51:01
Forsberg, definitely take Forsberg.
51:03
Jack Hughes, you mentioned, I think there's some links where
51:06
that gets done. I think there's somewhere that
51:08
gets done for one. And if you have to add in a bit,
51:10
I'm still super happy to take Jackie and that the only one for
51:13
me is cousins. I know Kevin's the biggest
51:15
cousins lover out there. I I don't know, I mean I
51:22
probably still take cousins, but I think you should get cousins
51:24
like plus. For sure.
51:26
Like there's I would never do one for.
51:27
One bangers league specifically guys, if you're in a points
51:30
league or you don't count hits or or face off wins, like yeah,
51:33
nothing has probably more value given like.
51:35
Higher points threshold, yeah, no, it's gonna be it's gotta be
51:38
the league that counts hits and also the power play points.
51:40
I would give an edge to Cousins points wise they probably end up
51:44
similar similar spot but but yeah the the hits and the power
51:47
play so I do like Cousins better.
51:49
I'd rather have him on my team. But I think you need to get a
51:52
pretty decent plus with Cousins in order to make that worth your
51:55
time. Otherwise, target a higher guy.
51:57
Yeah, I love this J Key. I feel like, honestly, I feel
52:00
like Nelson is one of the guys that like, it's a you must trade
52:04
him now, not because he's going to go back to 0, but because you
52:08
could probably get something really good right now when you
52:11
try to capitalize on this trade. So if you have Brock Nelson on
52:13
your team, you maybe pick them up off of waivers and you've
52:16
been riding the hot hand for the last few weeks.
52:18
Guys, trust me, it's not gonna stay this good forever.
52:22
Capitalize on it right now and get a guy you're gonna be happy
52:25
with on your roster for the rest of the season for the fantasy
52:27
playoffs. Like this is the time to sell a
52:29
player like this because I'm not saying I can go back to 0, but
52:33
he gets bumped off power play one or they sign another centre
52:36
at the trade deadline and he gets his line 3C and his value
52:40
gets cooked. And right now he's playing so
52:43
well that you can get somebody elite.
52:45
Like even there's a lot of guys that Jake didn't mention that I
52:48
would also take Brock Nelson. Like I would try to use Brock
52:50
Nelson for Tray. Like you can maybe get William
52:52
Nylander who is thinking to come back from injury like you can.
52:56
Maybe then one for one. Like I don't think another maybe
52:59
have the ceiling that we thought, you know, before the
53:01
season started. But if you can get him in a
53:03
trade for Brock Nelson, that's phenomenal package.
53:07
Trying to think about their names too.
53:08
Like you could maybe get a Rasmus Dahlin if you need a D
53:11
like I think that's feasible right now.
53:15
Jack Hughes might not be one for one but like if the sentiment
53:18
Jackson League is really bad, like you can get hues.
53:20
Listen, This is why the discord is so great, because someone
53:23
commented in the discord that they sent Dobson for Darlene.
53:26
If you could send Dobson for Darlene, you could send Nelson
53:29
for Jack Hughes. Like it's if these things are
53:32
possible, like why not? Go.
53:34
I think that gets done in 63% of leagues.
53:40
OK, but wait, I have. I have a glaring question for
53:43
you, and I feel like our fans are gonna hate us, but would you
53:46
trade one for one? Brock Nelson for yes.
53:47
For Brett. Yeah, take Brad in a second.
53:50
Yeah, right. But I feel like we're some of
53:52
the only ones that are still kind of like believing in the
53:54
breath bounce back. So everybody's just like, when
53:58
is it going to happen? Like this is the worst player on
54:00
my team. Somebody just dropped Brad for
54:02
Brian Rust and I was like, this is a grave mistake.
54:06
But I guess it depends how how deep your league and if you use
54:08
your worst player. You can pick up Brian Rust off
54:10
waivers. You probably know shallower
54:11
league too, so. Yeah, yeah.
54:13
I mean, again, with with the devil's situation, something's
54:16
gotta give and something will give.
54:17
I think it's gonna be the coach getting fired.
54:19
I could even see the GM getting fired.
54:21
I think something's going to happen.
54:23
They can't just accept being terrible this year like they're
54:26
too close. Everyone in the league is too
54:28
close to a playoff spot to give up that one.
54:30
You're a team that actually should be in the playoffs.
54:32
You can't just give up at this point.
54:33
So I think something, something's come in and and
54:37
those once Jack Hughes gets healthy also like the whole team
54:40
is gonna pop off. Maybe I'll pop off, but they're
54:42
all gonna be back to what they should be.
54:45
Yeah, I mean, I I would, I would be happier with Brad.
54:48
But you can, you can and should aim aim for like a nice plus in
54:51
that case. Yes.
54:53
Exactly. Brock Nelson for Cutter Gautier.
54:57
I mean, you'd have a with a big plus.
54:59
Yeah, yeah. I think they end up with
55:00
probably similar points, but Gautier shots are unreal.
55:03
But I would aim higher with Nelson.
55:05
I would. I would use him as a piece to
55:06
get a better player than try to do something that's gonna be
55:08
slightly more lateral. Yeah, we always.
55:10
Positive for Nelson for go to you and Brad.
55:14
Yeah. I think he's had basically like
55:18
their points total combined over the last month.
55:21
I mean, you know, like they sell it as like, oh, you're
55:24
consolidating into one player, then you can pick up someone
55:27
waivers and like you. Know like no, that's that's
55:30
great. Like that, That's the dream.
55:34
That's The thing is like a lot of these like players that were
55:36
like we prefer them to Nelson. You still shouldn't trade them
55:39
one for one because we're the values at right now.
55:41
You can get more and you always want to get as much as you can.
55:44
So just because we prefer, you know, you can go Tierra brat to
55:48
to Nelson, don't do that one for one, get more.
55:51
Yeah, I like. Yeah, it's a great one too as
55:54
well. I like what you said.
55:56
Batherson's like the token plus. So I was gonna say like I was, I
56:01
was looking at, I mean, Kevin's the Brad owner in our league.
56:03
So I was like, if you said Nelson for brat plus and I'm
56:06
looking, I'm looking at Batherson.
56:09
It just feels like he fits into every trade, you know, like.
56:13
Like rolls off the tongue well too, you know, it's like you
56:15
think it's like plus Batherson just like it makes.
56:17
Sense. So, yeah, I mean, that's that's
56:21
what you got. I think that this you're right.
56:23
I didn't even mention the scenario of if they do get
56:25
another line to see. I don't know if they necessarily
56:28
will, but like, there's simply nowhere to go down than here
56:32
honestly. Yeah.
56:33
For Alsons value, I mean it's yeah just yeah, it can't get
56:37
better and it it. Won't I don't see him getting
56:39
bumped down to three CI just I think they could acquire 1/3 C
56:42
but like why would? They.
56:45
But then why would they do that when Nelson's playing like he's
56:47
playing? They don't need to shell out for
56:48
a 2C when they have a guy playing like an Elite 2.
56:50
Scene I think extra depth always like.
56:52
Sure. I mean, they could take it, but
56:54
like they're gonna bump him down for someone when he's playing
56:56
like this, obviously he's gonna slow down so whatever.
56:58
But like I'm more concerned. Concerned.
57:00
I think what's more likely is is the power play 1.
57:02
I mean, every time we talk about an Avalanche player on the pod
57:05
and I'm like, I wouldn't trust their plan.
57:06
And then like a day later they're on power play too.
57:08
So Nelson has been good there. So I think he's gonna have a
57:11
longer, longer Rd. Like Alicia, but I don't think
57:15
he's a lot there for the rest of the season like.
57:17
That barno means your lock. I'm so excited for the two week
57:20
review. I know I say this every time
57:21
when we recorded the week, the bylaw sell highs in the week.
57:25
But yeah, this is gonna be a really fun one.
57:27
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I know. It's really, I can't wait till
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we can like, yeah, I can't wait till we can ship some out to
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people and have other people wearing them too.
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It's gonna be fun. It's definitely, definitely in
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the works and all the socials are in the podcast subscription.
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Be sure to join the Discord community.
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Please. Please, if you pull off a trade
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like this and you're already in the Discord community, let us
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know. And if you like, just take one
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of our suggestions or just, you know, something along those
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lines with the players you mentioned, Join the Discord
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community and tell us about it because it is really helpful for
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all fantasy players to see like, oh wow, if this guy is able to
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do this in his league, maybe I could do this in my league And
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don't be a clear level up and help you win.
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And that's what we're all about here.
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And you're on YouTube. Statistics, let's say.
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Yeah, it'll help Josh's statistics specifically, so I'll
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do it just for that. But if you're on YouTube, leave
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us a comment as well and let us know what trade you were able to
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pull off or what you're thinking about doing and we can help you
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out. Yep.
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All right. Take it away, Ernie.
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Barbara Bound Bound Bangor Management Fantasy Hockey
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podcast Woo Woo. Who?
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Woo. Woo.
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Woo, this is that. It's a hype time.
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I know pretty hard now, yeah, some trading.
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As this happens every week, when we recorded this, I'm like, I'd
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have to go send out, you know, trade offers for all the bi lo
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guys.