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History is strange. It's alien.
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And it won't. Give us what we would like to.
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Have Richmond Transmission and Auto Service this hour sponsor
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the program as Dave Bowman is with us and Tuesdays at 8:00
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Dave Bowman brings us. Dave does history on Bill Mick
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live and bringing it home this morning as it's the anniversary
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of the statehood of Florida. Thanks for being here Dave.
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Fun hours, fun, fun. 2 hours before we got here.
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Thanks for being part of that. Yeah, the the only thing I would
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add to that is one of the things that I do do is I teach
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podcasting. So if somebody's interested in
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doing that, don't spend thousands of dollars to learn
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how to podcast. Just drop me an e-mail Dave, at
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the Dave bowmanshow.com. I've worked with Royce Bartlett
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and others as well so. Yeah, and and they've renowned
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at this and and technically excellent, knows the tech side
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of it and getting everything put together and does a good job.
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The other thing I would mention before we go into Dave does
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history is while you had incidents of management trying
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to tell you what to talk about or how you needed to do your
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show throughout. And and this is a credit to the
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managers I've had, they've never directed me on a topic.
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They've never forced guests or the like on me.
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We don't do sold interviews here.
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I've had sales people say I want to put my client on your show.
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Not going to happen. You want your client wants to
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sponsor my show, it's a different story.
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And I might use them as a preferred guest when their topic
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is on and and play for us, but it it we don't, I don't do paid
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interviews and it's just not part of what we do here.
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On the other hand, they've never told me what to do or how to do
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it. And there's another reason for
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that, which is management wants you responsible for what you put
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on the air, and they want to be able to have plausible.
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Deniability. Yeah.
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Can't say I've had the same experience but.
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Yeah. And, and, and no, it was
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different for you and I, and I think that might be they
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perceived me as coming from radio since I came from here to
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Modesto. They perceived you as coming out
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of the community and needed to learn radio.
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Maybe that could have been part of what went on there as well.
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Yeah, we had that conversation once, too.
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Yeah. So you guys think I'm just some
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idiot that wandered in here off the street and said hey, I need
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a job? Yeah, exactly wrong.
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We begged him to come join us is what we did.
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And and of course, they had a smart operations manager in
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Modesto at the time who hired Dave.
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You're welcome. And anyway, let's get you to
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Dave does history. What do you got buddy in?
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1845 Florida What would become the state of Florida was far
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from what it is to that it was. It was sun soaked, but it wasn't
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bustling. No theme parks, no high rise
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condos, no snowbirds flocking S for the winter.
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It was a rugged frontier, a lot of swamps, a lot of wild
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terrain, probably a lot of alligators.
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The population was barely 66,000 people, and that included both
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free and slaves in that number. The economy was cotton
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plantations, a lot of the land was still uncharted wilderness.
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Seminole wars were ongoing and travel across the state, which
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now seems easy, was anything but convenient.
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Orlando, Yeah, yeah. While modern Florida is known
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for its culture, its economic power, and its massive
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population. Florida, this day in 1845 and
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yesterday, March 3rd, 1845, was isolated, underdeveloped, and
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still struggling to define itself.
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And despite these stark differences, Florida's journey
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to statehood was a pivotal moment in U.S. history.
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On Excuse Me on March 3rd, 1845, just before he left office,
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which would be today, March 4th, 1845, John Tyler signed the
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declaration of Florida Statehood and officially Florida became
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the 27th State of the Union. Now at the time it was more than
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just a formality, it was a strategic move.
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Understand that Florida had been trying to become a state for
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some time. The problem was that the
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politics of the United States in 1845 even were divisive, and
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before Florida could be admitted into this nation as a state,
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there had to be a counterbalance somewhere else.
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This is something we've talked about with Puerto Rico becoming
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a state. You're automatically adding two
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Democrat senators if you do that.
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What's the counterbalance to that?
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Same thing in Florida. Florida's coming into the Union
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as a slave state. So there has to be a, a, a Free
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State before Congress or the president will approve this.
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But on March 3rd, 1845, the culmination of decades of
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conflict and negotiation, Florida finally becomes a state
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that's just the beginning of its time as a state in the United
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States. But long before that, Florida
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had a rich and exciting history that really gets ignored
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sometimes. And that's unfortunate because
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there are some great stories out of the history of Florida.
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And we pick them up when we continue in just a minute on
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WMMB, Dave Bowman with us. And we'll note just real
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quickly, another thing that we tend to do in this business that
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maybe doesn't get done and a lot of others is we work when we're
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sick. And Dave's a little under the
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weather today. So if you hear the occasional
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cough or pause, Dave's getting through it and running through
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it like a trooper for us. Yeah, head colds, man.
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Springtime in Washington. So one of the things that I
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really enjoy about going to school, one of the first classes
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I took was U.S. history 1500 to 1865.
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Had a wonderful professor and he took a different approach of
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things. And one of the things he did was
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instead of trying to isolate every event and renting, he
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picked 3 people and we experienced United States
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history through those three people.
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One of them was Frederick Douglass.
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One of them was a woman by the name of Martha, Martha Ballard.
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But the very first one we chose he chose was a guy by the name
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of Kabiza Devaka. Maybe it's a name you've heard.
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Maybe it's a name you haven't heard.
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But if you're from Florida, you should know the name Kabiza
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Devaka. He is arrives in Florida in
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1528. He's part of the Novarez
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expedition, which is coming to Florida because after Ponce de
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Leon discovers it in 1530, discovers Florida like it wasn't
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there before, you know, but he discovered it.
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Course, as you all know, he he was looking for the fountain of
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youth, right? Found it right here on the Space
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Coast, I told. Right.
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Turns out that that was a myth. He names it La Florida, land of
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flowers. But then he just kind of wanders
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off. And so Spain sends some people a
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guy by the name of Navares to actually explore the place. 1 of
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Navares captains is a guy by the name of Cabeza de Vaca.
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This expedition is anything and everything that can go wrong
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does go wrong. Bill.
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They start with site 400 people on this expedition.
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They go to Cuba to reposition, to resupply, get ready to go to
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Florida. Half the expedition says, you
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know what, we really like Cuba, we're staying here.
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And they jump ship. The rest of them continue on.
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They land just outside of Tampa Bay.
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Now, part of the joy of this book when you're reading it is
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he's describing these areas and you're looking at them and
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you're trying to figure out where is this?
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Because he doesn't know where the city of Tampa is.
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He doesn't know where Port Saint Lucie is.
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He doesn't know where any of this stuff is.
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To him, it's just the coastline of Florida.
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And so he's trying to describe these things to you as they
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land. One of the most interesting
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events happens to me. They meet with some of the
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indigenous peoples there, the Temuka and the Apoliche tribes.
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And being the Spanish, they, they take kind of a different
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approach to cultural diversity. Instead of looking at what these
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people are doing and going, oh, isn't that a great expression of
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their faith and their understanding of how the
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universe works? And you know what these things
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mean. They immediately look at what
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these people are doing, one of which is they put their
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ancestors in these decorated boxes and preserve them as part
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of the memory and to honor these people who have passed on.
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The Spanish under navares decide that this is offensive to God
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and they set them on fire. Nobody expects the Spanish
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Inquisition. Apparently not even in Florida
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in 1528. It's almost like from that point
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on that the Native American gods have decided that, well, you
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have offended us and this expedition becomes an absolute
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disaster. People are killed, people get
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lost, ships get wrecked. 450 people set out from Spain on
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this expedition with Nevarez. The only one that will make it
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back eight years from now is the vodka.
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And he will only make it back Bill after he wanders around the
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American from all the way from Tampa to modern day Albuquerque
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and back. Wow.
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He's the only one that will make it back after that disastrous
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introduction to Florida. What, because he ran to
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Albuquerque when the fight started?
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Yeah, it might have been a warning, but then again, it was
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just the beginning, really, of exploration of both Florida and
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America. And we'll continue with this in
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moments with Dave Does history on Bill Mick live.
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We'll let you in the conversation in our final
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segment of the hour. So prehistoric Florida laid out
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for it. Well, OK, not prehistoric, but
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close to it as far as we're concerned anyway.
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And then we'll see about becoming a state and what
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happened then. Ahead with Dave Does history on
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Bill Mick live. It's a take on history you won't
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find anywhere else. Dave does history on Bill Mick
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live. And on the show page today,
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links to all of Dave's stuff. Dave does history plausibly
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live. And of course, what the frock
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that started our conversation this morning on the show.
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But Dave bringing us some Florida history today.
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Dave, I'll kick it back at you, buddy.
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So when we left, Davaca had finished his eight-year sojourn
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across the southern United States.
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Fascinating story. It's a great book.
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If you can get it, it is available online and in audio
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format. But what you'll find yourself
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doing is trying to figure out where he is because he has none
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of your modern landmarks. Your notes will probably tell
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you where he is in the book, but that's that's cheating, you
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know? You got to try to figure it out.
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Of course, that that expedition is followed up by Herminando de
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Soto's exposition in 1539. They land near Tampa Bay.
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Now we're no longer really exploring.
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Now we're we're here for golden conquest.
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We're going to fight the Native Americans.
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And eventually Soto dies along the Mississippi River, leaves
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destruction, disease and chaos in his way.
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But by this point, France and Spain now are fighting over
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Florida. Long story short, Spain is going
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to win this war against France because, well, it's France.
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So Florida will become a Spanish colony.
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Did they travel to the Atlantic with their white flag and ready?
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You know, probably at the end of all this, though, you end up
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with a situation where Spain has Florida, but it's kind of a
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liability. It's not easy to get to.
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It's poorly defended by the time you get into the to the American
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colonial period and the early American Republican period,
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Spain #1 they're a third rate power by this point.
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But number two, Americans just don't respect Spain at all.
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And we keep incurring into into to the Florida territory.
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Runaway slaves are going down there because it's not America
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so that they can get in there and and be free.
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Andrew Jackson, when he's the general, he just ignores the
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border and invades Florida. That's chasing after the Native
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Americans and those kinds of things.
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And this all leads to Spain sitting down with the Adams
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administration and deciding to sign a treaty with the United
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States of America, with John Quincy Adams, by the way, not
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the original John Adams, to cede Florida in exchange for the get
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this bill. the United States gets Florida in exchange for
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giving up our claims for Texas. So we don't want Texas anymore.
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We're going to get Florida. Of course, we're going to know
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how that turns out in the end, which is we're going to pretty
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much get both anyway. But for the moment, we've got
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Florida. Yay.
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What do we do with it? Well, we make it a territory
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like always, but in order to become a state, certain things
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have to be met and be. So beginning in 1838, Florida
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calls its first constitutional convention and begins to prepare
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to become a state. Dave So we're thinking about
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statehood. I'm guessing it's not going to
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be the easiest thing we've ever. Done.
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It never is. And see today we kind of take
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this for granted, but there are conditions for statehood.
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Now it's been what, since 1960? We haven't added a new state.
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So you got a significant portion of American population now that
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has never been through this process.
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We've never seen it happen. I'd like to see it happen just
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for that. But we have the same problem now
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that we had back in 1845 with Florida becoming a state.
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There's got to be a balance. You can't just add one state at
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a time. So we take Puerto Rico and
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create the the Free State of Northern California, whatever
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they're going to call that. Right.
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Well, even that wouldn't necessarily work.
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You've you've got to have a counterbalance.
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Republicans in Congress are never going to go along with
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that if they think that the new states are going to be entirely
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Democrat controlled. See.
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Well then, create a new state out of Eastern Washington.
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That ought to work. The mythical state of Jefferson
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might work, but. There you go.
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By 1838, Florida's leaders knew that they needed to to pursue
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statehood, but they had some challenges.
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Number one, they didn't meet the population threshold.
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You had to have 60,000 people in your territory in order to even
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apply for statehood. So how do you get people to move
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to this swamp infested, war infested, alligator infested
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future, you know, tourist trap. But for right now, it ain't
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that. How do you get people to move
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there? Give them land.
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Give them land is one way to do it.
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The other thing is to import slaves, but they start doing
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that now. They they set down their
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constitution. Your your original Florida
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Constitution, strong governor, bicarameral legislation.
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You got a house and the Senate. Everybody that was white over
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the age of 21 was given the right to vote.
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Of course, if you're a slave, not white, then you don't get
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that. But, but that was kind of
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unusual in that era. White, if you were white and
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over 21, you got to vote. You didn't even have to pass a,
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a poll test or a reading test or anything like that.
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They did put slavery in the state constitution, which was
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not unusual. But one of the things that they
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did do in Florida, very Jacksonian, they had a large
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distrust of financial institutions and they really put
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a lot of limits on banks and corporations operating out of
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Florida really limited that to to keep control of that so that
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these big businesses and banks couldn't come in and just sort
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of take over things. Now, Florida adopted this
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Constitution, but the problem was as a slave state, they
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weren't going to be admitted until there was a Free State to
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counterbalance that in the same way that we look at it today
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with, you know, just control of, of Congress or control of of
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whatever. In that era, you had to have a
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Free State admitted at the same time you admitted a slave state
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to maintain balance. So which state was admitted on
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the free side on March 30, 1845? On the free side, Anybody know?
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We didn't talk about them today. Iowa.
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So Iowa and Florida share the same date, March 3rd, 1845.
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They become States and are admitted into the United States.
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John Tyler signs the declaration of those just just the day
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before he leaves office. And William D Mosley becomes
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your first governor. How much stuff is named after
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him down there? I don't know Mosley.
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I don't know anything about him but.
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I don't have a clue. He.
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Becomes your first governor, and Florida is now the 27th state to
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join the union. Of course, that's not going to
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last very long, but at the same time, at least they're in.
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And we'll have more bringing Florida up to the modern era
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with Dave Does History. We also take your calls on our
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continue. Call Bill now, 321-768-1240.
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right here on 92.7 FM WMMB. Dave Bowman with us, as always
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with Dave does history in this final hour of our Tuesday
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morning. So, Dave, we're we're becoming a
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state and. Yeah, we're going to have your
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change. We're going to Fast forward
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through most of this because I really want to get to Bill on
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this celebration of all things Florida.
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I have a list of fun Florida facts.
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So in 1861, of course, Florida secedes, joins the Confederacy.
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Your role in the Civil War is primarily cattle and salt.
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Florida is really you'd think Texas would be, but because of
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the trans Mississippi issues, most of the most of the food,
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most of the beef and salt provided to the Confederacy
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comes from Florida. And of course not to not to rub
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it in or anything, but you lose the war and Florida becomes part
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of the Union again. From that point on, Florida
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begins to boom, its economy shifts, and you end up today
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with the Florida that you know and love with.
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You know, Disney World, theme parks, beaches, snowbirds, and
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of course WMMB, which is probably the best part of
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Florida. But there are some fun facts for
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Florida. You ready?
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It's not that all that others. You left out space.
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Come on. Space is there too, but space is
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kind of moving to Texas, isn't it?
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No, it's coming here. All right, I'll.
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Believe you if you say so. OK, Florida is home to the long
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the oldest continuously habited inhabited settlement, the
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European settlement in the United States, Saint Augustine
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founded in 1565. You probably knew that it was
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originally Spanish, then it was British, and then it was Spanish
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again before we finally took it away from it.
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It wasn't always known Bill as the Sunshine State.
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You know what the original moniker was?
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You can probably guess. No.
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The Alligator State, which frankly is much cooler.
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It was the 3rd state to secede from the Union in 1861, but it
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was only barely and peripherally involved in the Civil War.
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Like I said, it provided cattle and production, cattle and salt
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production. There was a battle in Florida,
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but that was, you know, pretty minor for somebody like me who
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grew up in the Mountain West Florida.
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And this is my biggest complaint with Florida, is it's worse than
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Iowa. It's just flat.
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Do you know what the highest point in Florida is now again
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I'm. Probably.
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Probably a waste management dump facility.
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Now, I'm from Colorado, where you know, we got 714 thousand
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foot peaks. The the highest hill in Florida
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is 345 feet above sea sea level. By the way, that's not even as
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tall as Disney's Expedition Everestride, so may not be a
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waste management center, but it is that Florida has the only
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living coral reef barrier Barrier Reef, in the entire
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continental United States. It's the longest, third longest
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after the Australian Great Barrier Reef and the
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Mesoamerican Reef. More than 1000 people move to
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Florida every day, which would be reason #1 not to move there
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as far as I'm concerned. But that's a lot of people.
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Bill 400,000 people a year. Yeah.
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Of course, it's home to 1.25 million alligators, which is one
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alligator for every 17 people. And it's the Florida Everglades
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is the only place on Earth, the only place in the entire planet
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where crocodiles and alligators coexist.
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And if that's not the most Florida thing chaos wise,
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nothing else is. Florida's the the only southern
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state that has two time zones, both eastern and central the
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Panhandle. In Sarasota, it is technically
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illegal to sing while wearing a bathing suit.
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I think we should go check for violations of the law, Dave.
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I don't think anybody's going to be.
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Sailing. I don't think anybody's going to
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give you anything but for it, but technically it's illegal in
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1982. Frustrated with the Border
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Patrol roadblocks? Key West declared its
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independence, became the Conch Republic for about a minute,
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then immediately surrendered to the United States and demanded
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foreign aid. You want to know where your
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USAID money went? There you go.
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Of course, you have no state income tax, but neither do we.
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We make up for that up here by having a 10% sales tax and about
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a gazillion percent property tax.
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I don't know what you guys do down there, but.
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We're we're pretty tough on property tax and the sales tax
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is climbing up there depending on where you are.
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In the early 1900s, lawmakers debated moving the capital from
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Tallahassee to Orlando. Should have done it.
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So why didn't they? There's a reason why?
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Do you know what the reason is? Disney bought the no.
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I don't know why. Because Tallahassee was already
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built and Orlando wasn't. Yeah, that makes sense.
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And lawmakers weren't going to do that.
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Of course, your home, the the NASA, you produce more oranges
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than any other US state. 90% of US orange juice comes from
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Florida. California actually grows more
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eating oranges. But you guys win the the juice
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war. We'll take that.
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The first ATM designed for rollerbladers was installed in
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Florida, because why not? Yeah, OK.
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You have the most South Beach you.
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Got to have it. Florida has the most golf
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courses of any state in the United States.
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Over 1200 of them. You're basically one giant
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putting green. And of course, Gatorade was
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invented from Florida in 1965. I knew that but didn't really
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care. Florida Man is a real thing.
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Thanks to open public record laws, bizarre crime stories from
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Florida occur almost daily. Florida Man fights off alligator
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with frying pan Florida man arrested for trying to steal a
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car in police station parking lot.
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And so on. Florida's home to Weeki Wachee
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Wachee Wachee City with a live mermaid show.
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Have you gone to see this show? I have not.
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All right. Although we used to have a sales
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assistant here and she was in her off time, a mermaid at one
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such facility. So yeah, it was.
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When I get down there we're going to have to go to Weeki
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Wachee Springs and see this OK, that'll you can legally own a
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pet alligator in Florida. That's insane.
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But if you get. Better have the permit you have,
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better the permit you. Got to have a special permit but
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you can own one. How do you get the alligator to
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sit still? Stay your rub.
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It's it's belly, Yeah. And just for good, no measure,
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there is an annual mullet toss competition at the Flora Bama
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Beach Bar. You can gather to throw dead
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fish, which are called mullets, across the state line into
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Alabama because. Somehow I was guessing it had to
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do with hillbilly haircuts. Just thinking why do they do
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this? Because it's called Florida.
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Yeah, and we'll pick it up with your calls, 321-768-1240 when we
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continue in 60 seconds with Dave.
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Does history on Bill Mick live? I've got a big post history on
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Bill Make live on this Tuesday morning.
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Let's get to the phones. Dave.
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Line one, you're up. Tell me what you're thinking
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here. Mario Cape Canaveral.
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Yeah, Mario. This is this is a great
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discussion in terms of about the slavery in Florida.
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You know, I, I started thinking about that and I had run across
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information that actually New England was the center of slave
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trade. I don't late 1700s, early 1800s,
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and Rhode Island was the center of slave trade of all the
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states. And actually slavery was not
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abolished in New Jersey until 1865 after the Civil War.
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And I'd like you to talk about that one of these days.
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Thanks, Mario. Appreciate the suggestion.
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Dave usually throws those in the trash, but nonetheless, we'll
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see where it goes. We could spend days talking
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about Rhode Island. Rhode Island is one of the most
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interesting. I think it's one of the most
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interesting states in existence. Yes, Rhode Island is the center
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of the slave trade. Despite its Quakerish background
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and despite its religious foundings, the truth is that
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nowhere in the United States is slavery actually abolished,
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abolished until after the 13th Amendment in 1865.
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There are some states that do away with it, but as as as far
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as the entire country is concerned, it's not officially
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ended until 1965 with the 13th Amendment.
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Was there anything particularly desirous about bringing Florida
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in and and making it that that next thing?
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Well, I think that there was a lot of, there's a lot of arable
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land or was I don't know if there still is or not in
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Florida. Obviously it worked well for
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cattle and it wasn't as far away as, you know, places like Texas
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and Oklahoma, which didn't really even exist at that point.
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So ranching, of course, becomes a huge thing.
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There are times when you almost get the impression, Bill with a
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very sarcastic reading of history, you almost get the
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impression that, well, the only reason we really want it is
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because Spain has it. And, you know, we we went
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through an era of a. Defensive acquisition than
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anything else. Well, it's very hard to defend
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Florida. It's flat.
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It's. I'm at defending the rest of the
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country, yeah. Yeah, it strategically I'm not
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sure what the what the ultimate value of it was, although it
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turns out that the the Space Coast works out pretty good, so.
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Yeah, Yeah, it does. And and we're thrilled here.
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Line one. You're up next on Bill Make
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LIVE. Good morning.
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Good morning, Bill. This is Deep South, Bob.
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Yeah, Bob, go ahead. Yes, yeah, Florida was very
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involved in the war between states or what I call the war or
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Northern Aggression. Tallahassee was the was the only
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state capital. It wasn't captured by the by the
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Union troops and it was stopped at the Battle of the Lusty and
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Battle of Natural Bridge and the battle out West.
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Mariana, they call it the Cradle to Grave Battalion because all
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the men was all fighting the other skirmishes.
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So yeah, Florida was involved in the War of Northern Aggression
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big time. Appreciate your input, Bob.
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It could be they didn't want Tallahassee, who knows?
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And we talked about the battle of Alusty a few, I think it was
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last year. You know, big time is is
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subjective, I guess. I mean, this is not Virginia,
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nor is it even Arkansas, but at the same time, it is a huge area
30:53
for blockading with the Union Navy blockading a lot of the
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ports and stuff like that through there.
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So everywhere, everywhere's involved.
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It's just a question of, you know, degrees and that sort of
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thing. Sure.
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Sure enough. What are you looking at for next
31:08
week, Dave? Oh, I'm looking at all kinds of
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stuff. We got some some interesting
31:12
World War 2 stuff. We have some interesting World
31:13
War One stuff. I just haven't really decided
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yet. OK, well.
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You know, you know how I work, man.
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We talked about that for two hours.
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Yeah, yeah, that's true. And there's just a vast array of
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things to dig into. That's the cool.
31:28
Part. And there's no guarantee that
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even if I send Bill an outline that I'm going to follow it.
31:33
Yeah, we picked that up and what the frock quite frequently.
31:35
Here's the outline for the show. Here's what we're going to do.
31:38
On the other hand, let's talk about this for 30 minutes.
31:41
And what there's nothing wrong with that.
31:43
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31:46
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