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Oliver Mander: Shareholders' Association Chief Executive on the Warehouse's CEO's pay-out eclipsing falling shares · Best of Business

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  Speaker 1: Heather Dup c Allen.
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  Speaker 2: There are concerns that the Warehouse is paying its executives
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  Speaker 2: too much given how poorly the company's been performing. Despite
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  Speaker 2: the Warehouse's shares falling to a record low of ninety
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  Speaker 2: seven cents on Monday, former chief executive Nick Grayson was
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  Speaker 2: paid a total of just under two point eight million
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  Speaker 2: dollars in twenty twenty three, which is more than any
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  Speaker 2: of his other counterparts in retail. Oliver Amander is the
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  Speaker 2: CEO of the New Zealand Shareholders Association with US. Now, Hey, Oliver,
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  Speaker 2: how are you very well?
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  Speaker 3: Thank you?
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  Speaker 2: Is this an historic problem where they signed him on
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  Speaker 2: a really awesome deal when the company was doing well
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  Speaker 2: and then the company started doing poorly and he was still,
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  Speaker 2: unfortunately on an awesome deal.
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  Speaker 3: Well, there is probably a bit of that, but actually
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  Speaker 3: what it does relate to in that figure you've mentioned
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  Speaker 3: of two point eight million, some of that big chunk
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  Speaker 3: of that relates to incentives, and of course incentives are
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  Speaker 3: fine from a shareholder's perspective when the company is doing
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  Speaker 3: well and when the company is not doing quite so well, obviously,
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  Speaker 3: then an incentive probably doesn't apply. And the reason he
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  Speaker 3: got paid an incentive of one point one million, that's
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  Speaker 3: not a short term incentive actually FY twenty three so
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  Speaker 3: last financial year he got no short term intentive at
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  Speaker 3: all for his performance at the warehouse, and he did
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  Speaker 3: he got his base salary of one point seven million. However,
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  Speaker 3: the incentive that was paid related to long term incentive
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  Speaker 3: awards that made back in twenty twenty. And guess what,
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  Speaker 3: back in twenty twenty, the warehouse was actually doing pretty well.
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  Speaker 2: So does this say to you that the incentives that
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  Speaker 2: maybe the level was set too low as well, level
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  Speaker 2: was set too like it was too easy to strike it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and look possibly, and that's something we got a
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  Speaker 3: little bit more digging into in terms of the vesting
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  Speaker 3: conditions associated with Normally, when you were awarded the incentive
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  Speaker 3: and shares performance rights, then there's the vesting condition that goes.
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  Speaker 3: But that vesting condition relates to share price performance often
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  Speaker 3: as not, and certainly I think the warehouse does have
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  Speaker 3: a condition that relates that incentive that you actually get
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  Speaker 3: paid in the end related very much to the share
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  Speaker 3: perhaps performance and it's gone against peers. So yes, look
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  Speaker 3: last year that the incentive you received was mostly that
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  Speaker 3: long term incentive, probably data from the previous historic thing.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think, though, now that the company is doing
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  Speaker 2: so poorly, do you think it's going to be different
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  Speaker 2: for his replacement. I mean, whoever takes over from him
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  Speaker 2: is probably not going to get the same kind of
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  Speaker 2: pay right.
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  Speaker 3: Well, not in the short term. I actually think that
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  Speaker 3: if if the company, the company needs to be turned around,
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  Speaker 3: that will take a lot of work. They need a
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  Speaker 3: very good leader to come in there and actually to
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  Speaker 3: have some milestones in place that really reset companies change
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  Speaker 3: back to being a profitable and high performing esity. So
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  Speaker 3: arguably and to still we have still a very big organization,
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  Speaker 3: still has eleven thousand staff, it's got stores all across
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  Speaker 3: New Zealand. It's it's still it has a huge share
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  Speaker 3: of retail wallet, if you will, in a really tough
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  Speaker 3: economic environment right now. So the base seller is meant
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  Speaker 3: to reflect that, and the base salary that is higher
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  Speaker 3: than his peers at or the CEO's pers sorry at
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  Speaker 3: Scoes and KMD what cat Mandu brands, but that's probably appropriate.
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  Speaker 3: What was really interesting there will be the infrastructure that
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  Speaker 3: they put in place, because actually you do want in
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  Speaker 3: center structure and reflects long term gains for shareholders, so
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  Speaker 3: that long term performance off the warehouse and also they
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  Speaker 3: reflect some of those short term or more short term
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  Speaker 3: transformational whilestone that really needed to turn a company around.
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  Speaker 3: So actually, no, I don't know if you will see
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  Speaker 3: much change in terms of the remuneration structure or potential outcome.
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  Speaker 3: What it does mean is that if the CEO or
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  Speaker 3: the incoming CEO is successful in transforming the warehouse and
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  Speaker 3: making share price go up again, you'll probably be calling
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  Speaker 3: me in three years time saying, hey, the CEO has
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  Speaker 3: got paid an awful lot this year and that's that's
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  Speaker 3: that will probably be right because those shares, if there's
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  Speaker 3: if that succeeded, they will see an increase in value
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  Speaker 3: in the shares and therefore o remuiraction well that's okay, yep.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely if they deserve it, No one's going to complain
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  Speaker 2: about it, hopefully. Oliver, thank you so much, appreciate your time.
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  Speaker 2: As always, it's Oliver Amanda, chief Executive of the Shareholders Association.
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