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Do We Really Need To Be Scared Of Pocongs? · Tales from Incredible Tales

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  Speaker 1: And then when she recalled, oh actually like when I
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  Speaker 1: hugged the bolster it felt wet, it felt wet and like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, very, um, like very sandy.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Fa,
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  Speaker 2: my name is Wayne, my
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  Speaker 2: name is
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  Speaker 1: Kyle, and this is Tales from Incredible Tales, inspired by
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  Speaker 1: the classic horror series, we explore Southeast Asia's supernatural culture.
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  Speaker 1: In this episode, we learned about the iconic Indonesian ghost
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  Speaker 1: shrouded in white, the Pochong. We delve into its origin,
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  Speaker 1: whether we should view all ghosts negatively, fear mongering through
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  Speaker 1: horror stories, coping with loss through the supernatural and the
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  Speaker 1: evolution of such a creature that has been around for
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  Speaker 1: a long, long time. This episode was inspired by the
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  Speaker 1: classic Incredible Tales episode, The Singer.
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  Speaker 2: So the Pochong is just one of the many iconic
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  Speaker 2: Indonesian supernatural creatures.
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  Speaker 2: Let us know in the comments which supernatural beings you
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  Speaker 2: really want us to cover next. Who knows? Maybe we'll
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  Speaker 2: invite one of them onto the show.
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  Speaker 1: I, I, I, yeah, I look forward to this episode
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  Speaker 1: so much because I know last season you said that
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  Speaker 1: you are super afraid of Potong.
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  Speaker 1: So if I can invite an entity will be a
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  Speaker 1: pochong yeah um sure.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, if you can talk, if you can interview apochong,
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  Speaker 1: what would you say to it? Like, the first thing
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  Speaker 1: you say to it, ah, I mean, the first thing
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  Speaker 1: I would ask would be what happened, bro? What happened,
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  Speaker 2: bro? What happened,
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  Speaker 2: bro?
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  Speaker 1: OK, like if you're talking about like religious, right, I
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  Speaker 1: would probably ask like, hey, really, like, you know, the,
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  Speaker 1: how's the, you know, azap kubo, like the, the torture,
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  Speaker 1: is it, is it really scary, you know, those sort
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  Speaker 1: of things. But then if you
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  Speaker 1: If you were to ask that question now, I'll probably
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  Speaker 1: ask like, why are you scary? I don't know, like
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  Speaker 1: you still feel scared lah. Obviously, bro, imagine bro black face, right,
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  Speaker 1: black dark face burned and then wrapped and then the cloth,
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  Speaker 1: not white, you know, it's like off white.
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  Speaker 1: Not the brand off-white. No, it's like a bit dirty,
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  Speaker 1: then got mud, then like, but why is it burnt?
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  Speaker 1: Why is it burn? Is it not decay? Is it
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  Speaker 1: not like decay? I don't know lah. Tomato tomato is
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  Speaker 1: the same.
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  Speaker 2: That could be another question you can ask.
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  Speaker 2: Is
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  Speaker 1: it
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  Speaker 2: burnt or decay? Which one is it?
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  Speaker 2: What,
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  Speaker 1: what, what toner do
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  Speaker 2: you
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  Speaker 1: use?
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  Speaker 2: I, I have to ask, I have to say based
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  Speaker 2: on your answers right now, I really want
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  Speaker 2: you to interview.
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  Speaker 1: The people got interviewed with the vampire interview with the pong,
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  Speaker 1: but honestly, I just the thought of, of that, right,
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  Speaker 1: that creeps me out. Alright, so for those who don't
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  Speaker 1: know what pochong is, uh, pochong is basically a ghost, uh,
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  Speaker 1: that comes alive through a dead corpse wrapped in a
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  Speaker 1: shroud known as kin kan.
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  Speaker 1: Alright. It originates from the Islamic funeral rite of wrapping
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  Speaker 1: the deceased and securing it at the head, neck, and
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  Speaker 1: feet with specific knots. The knots are then untied 40
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  Speaker 1: days after burial to ensure the soul is released into
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  Speaker 1: the afterlife. However, if the knots are left untied, the
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  Speaker 1: deceased trapped soul physically rises out of the grave as
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  Speaker 1: a hopping body who seeks out the living to have
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  Speaker 1: its knots untied.
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  Speaker 1: Only when this is accomplished will the Pochong stop its hauntings.
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  Speaker 1: Like many ghosts, Pochongs are perceived as the neutral beings
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  Speaker 1: who are merely seeking a way to finally be at rest. However,
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  Speaker 1: according to the book Hanupedia Encyclopedia, Hantu Hantuusantara.
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  Speaker 1: There are variants in Indonesia that are unique to the
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  Speaker 1: places from which they emerged. One of them is the
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  Speaker 1: plastic pochong, traced to the story of a pregnant woman
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  Speaker 1: murdered by her boyfriend. Even after her body was soon shut,
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  Speaker 1: blood kept pouring out of her, which compelled the hospital
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  Speaker 1: staff to wrap her in plastic on top of the
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  Speaker 1: traditional shroud before burying. Pochong Mera or the red shroud
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  Speaker 1: ghost is reputedly the most feared variant.
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  Speaker 1: And is said to be born out of a person
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  Speaker 1: who wished to seek revenge for an unpleasant death comparable
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  Speaker 1: to characteristics of Western vengeful spirits. The red Po Chong
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  Speaker 1: is believed to be more aggressive to living beings, even
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  Speaker 1: without aggravation. Hence, many believe they were spirits of royalty
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  Speaker 1: or leaders. Po Chong has variants both neutral and aggressive.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think.
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  Speaker 1: We should treat all supernatural beings as evil or negative.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you think people still make the distinction between
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  Speaker 1: a neutral entity and a dangerous entity? You know, irregardless,
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  Speaker 1: we should still, uh,
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  Speaker 1: Treat them as something with cautious. You need to be beware. Beware, beware.
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  Speaker 1: It's not all fun and games. I think when you're
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  Speaker 1: dealing with the occult, yeah, it's definitely good to be
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  Speaker 1: on the safer side, but definitely I think um we should.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, treat them with respect, yeah, yeah, OK, yeah, OK,
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  Speaker 1: even though like I know we just made jokes for
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  Speaker 1: the past 1015 minutes, but this is a show, OK,
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  Speaker 1: this is, this is entertainment for entertainment, including, I think
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  Speaker 1: the spirits they watched also entertainment. So if the red
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  Speaker 1: one is the vengeful one, right, then the black one
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  Speaker 1: is right, because I heard, no, I heard there's like red,
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  Speaker 1: there's like, um, black, there's different colors.
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  Speaker 1: Bring one satanic maybe. Oh yeah, maybe like do black
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  Speaker 1: magic come from black magic. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I
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  Speaker 2: do think it's interesting that the red one is what the, the,
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  Speaker 2: the guess is that they're descended from royalty, um, from royalty.
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  Speaker 1: I've heard
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  Speaker 1: of the red one, but I, I don't know about
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  Speaker 1: the royalty part, but I do know that the red
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  Speaker 1: one is far more powerful and scary. But if you
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  Speaker 1: think about it, it's like quite cooler. Like, they also
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  Speaker 1: got like some skins, you know, you can.
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  Speaker 1: You can buy the skins, but you need to pay
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  Speaker 1: like $10 a month for the subscription subscription
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  Speaker 1: model for really
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  Speaker 2: I would think that they will be more get the
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  Speaker 2: the physical copy kind of, uh, physical copy, yeah, lah.
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  Speaker 2: They're a bit more
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  Speaker 2: traditional
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  Speaker 1: than we understand they don't like digital download lah. They
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  Speaker 1: like to own their things.
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  Speaker 1: I think
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  Speaker 2: analogs, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: in Bo Chong's case, maybe VHS.
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  Speaker 2: Why? Because the tape tape,
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  Speaker 1: I think it goes way back, bro. It goes way back, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: to before VHS, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: before, I think film maybe, bro. Yeah, could be. Can
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  Speaker 1: we talk about the plastic one? OK, you know, actually, um,
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  Speaker 1: like during COVID, right, I heard all, like, especially in Malaysia, right,
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  Speaker 1: if someone were to pass away during COVID.
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  Speaker 1: They would like wrap the, it would be a normal shroud, right,
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  Speaker 1: but then they were wrapped in plastic also but, but
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  Speaker 1: I would, I would like to point out something, untie
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  Speaker 1: the knot, right? I think that is quite false because
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  Speaker 1: I think during burial itself we already untied the thing.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like, you know, after 40 days and we
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  Speaker 1: dig up, we, yeah, in my religion in Islam, right,
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  Speaker 1: that we don't believe in like, oh, after 40 days
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  Speaker 1: we dig out again
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  Speaker 1: that
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  Speaker 1: is based off like a rumor or like, like, like
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  Speaker 1: the ghost stories, right, because they say the whole point
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  Speaker 1: is like he wants you to untie for it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, OK. The reason why it haunts people lah, maybe
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  Speaker 1: like some, in some burial scenarios they forget to untie
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  Speaker 1: the thing. No lah. It's I think it's so important
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  Speaker 1: in Singapore's context, we won't forget one. But maybe in
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  Speaker 1: the olden days, maybe, you know, but nowadays the burial,
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  Speaker 1: all the government take over, you get what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: So there's like, um, how to say, there's procedures for
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  Speaker 1: you to, for you to do, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but like in, in the event, like, let's say
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  Speaker 1: somebody forget like last time somebody forget and you think
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  Speaker 1: it will really spawn a pong? I don't think so. Holy,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so unless you put a spawner there.
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  Speaker 1: And then make sure you got like 88 blocks to
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  Speaker 1: the left, 8 blocks to the right in front, right,
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  Speaker 1: then the thing can spawn. But in all seriousness, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like have you ever seen aton? OK, so it's not
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  Speaker 1: really like a full-fledged experience. It's more of like, OK,
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  Speaker 1: I was doing my, um, it's called Jalaja MGoblast. It's
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  Speaker 1: where I go to scary places in Singapore at night
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  Speaker 1: and I do night walks, lah, basically, right.
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  Speaker 1: So there's this one time, it was, I was still,
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  Speaker 1: it was still quite new. The show was still quite new.
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  Speaker 1: If I'm not wrong, it's uh Admiralty, Admiralty Park if
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  Speaker 1: I'm not wrong lah. So, uh, it was the first
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  Speaker 1: time that uh one of my friends lah, Bubba clan, right,
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  Speaker 1: they asked me to sit alone, just try to open
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  Speaker 1: up my senses, you know. Uh, so I did sit alone.
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  Speaker 1: And then they asked me to close my eyes and
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  Speaker 1: then just feel, you know, just feel lah. So I,
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  Speaker 1: I did lah. I sit, I sit and then the
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  Speaker 1: camera was in front of me and then um I
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  Speaker 1: tried to, it really, you know, you, you try to
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  Speaker 1: sit somewhere like in the, in the, in the forest, right?
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  Speaker 1: And then you sit, you close your eyes, your, your
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  Speaker 1: senses will really open up, you know. You started to feel, oh,
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  Speaker 1: there's actually a wind shift, you can hear the, the,
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  Speaker 1: the leaves and whatnot, right?
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  Speaker 1: But I didn't feel anything. That's the thing, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: feel anything. After that, um, someone screenshotted like the TikTok
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  Speaker 1: image like from from the life itself, someone screenshot because
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  Speaker 1: Achiq is like a paranormal guy, you know, so he
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  Speaker 1: knows his ways like how to edit the photo and whatnot, right?
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  Speaker 1: It's just playing with colors, you know, like color grading
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  Speaker 1: like that, right? And then can really see like got
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  Speaker 1: got one white figure, you can see the face is
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  Speaker 1: like black, just like
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  Speaker 1: At the corner of the frame like, like, hey, I'm
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  Speaker 1: in the TikTok live, you know. So that was the experience,
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  Speaker 1: but it's not a, the reason why I say it's
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  Speaker 1: not like a full-fledged experience because I didn't smell because
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  Speaker 1: usually they say if the pokchong were to appear, it
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  Speaker 1: will smell like very uh bad smell and then um
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  Speaker 1: there are other telltale signs like that to tell you
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  Speaker 1: that it's a pochog but I didn't feel all that.
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  Speaker 1: You only know about it after, right after I remember
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  Speaker 1: he
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  Speaker 1: I sent you, right. He sent me this, yeah, like
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  Speaker 1: on the same night he sent me, yeah, like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: because it's the first time like I see a potch
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  Speaker 1: in a picture, like a real, a real deal, you know.
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  Speaker 1: It's the 1st, 1st time. That's why I was like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I need to share this with Kyle. Why, why? Like
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  Speaker 1: I'm very curious, why would he be here of all
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  Speaker 1: places Emirates.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, uh, Admiralty Park is very common for
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  Speaker 1: all these Pochong sightings. I don't know why it's not
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  Speaker 1: a cemetery, a graveyard. Have you been to Admiralty Park
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  Speaker 1: at night? It's not Emerald, it's, it's not the, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the one beside RP got a lot of, uh, slides
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  Speaker 1: and what. It's not that one. It's the other side
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  Speaker 1: or something like the other side lah. Um, first and
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  Speaker 1: foremost it's very dark and then it's like just a
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  Speaker 1: long trail. It's quite scary to be honest, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why. I don't know why it's there.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe like I say like usually when this thing occur
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  Speaker 1: like maybe back in the day people throw their pochong
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  Speaker 1: on there or whatever. Wait, you can keep pongs, you
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  Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. Like as in you can
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  Speaker 1: keep them for what, like to help you for wealth.
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  Speaker 1: I mean like in my, in, in my belief lah,
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  Speaker 1: like some people actually, uh, paliharapalihara means, um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like a pet, how to say what's the word like
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  Speaker 1: a pet pet lah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you keep the pochog like a pet, then the
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  Speaker 1: pochog can give you wealth. Oh, some people say you
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  Speaker 1: feed blood. So sometimes at night, there are stories, again,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know whether it's true or not, at night, the,
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  Speaker 1: the pochong will appear in front of you, then they
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  Speaker 1: will suck the blood from your toes.
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  Speaker 1: The thing is bong bong, but OK, the thing is, right,
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  Speaker 1: I think can bong if you go to the right
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  Speaker 1: channel you can bong the thing lah. But bro, imagine
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  Speaker 1: you fit the thing for a few years already. You
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  Speaker 1: think the thing want to get rid of you, man,
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  Speaker 1: let go of you, man. No, bro, the thing will
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  Speaker 1: fight for you, bro. I life. I love my master. Is,
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  Speaker 1: is there a, is there a reason why like sometimes
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  Speaker 1: like
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  Speaker 1: When people buy over a house, then the house is
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  Speaker 1: like the previous owner got engaged in such kind of magic,
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  Speaker 1: then they get hauntings because they left the things behind. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: OK, I understand when
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  Speaker 2: People keep toyo. The toyo is they instruct the Toyo
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  Speaker 2: to steal stuff for them, and that's how they get
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  Speaker 2: their wealth. But how does a pochong get money for
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  Speaker 2: the people who
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  Speaker 2: keep?
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  Speaker 1: OK, the pochong doesn't really get money. Like the pochong
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  Speaker 1: doesn't steal money for you per se. It's just like,
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  Speaker 1: how do I put this archive? You need to help me.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a thing, yeah, yeah, something like.
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  Speaker 1: That so like maybe because of that, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: can close deals you can attract people something like that
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  Speaker 1: yeah it's like it kind of pushed the favor to
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  Speaker 1: you lah like push the favor like maybe it will
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  Speaker 1: affect the business deal like influence your your business partner
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  Speaker 1: or for example like I'm a sponsor like I approach you, you, you,
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  Speaker 1: you got pochong you got a few pochong I approach
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  Speaker 1: you bro.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, do this deal with me lah, blah blah blah
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  Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. Then when I go back, uh,
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  Speaker 1: suddenly I got the urge to a, maybe I should
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  Speaker 1: sign a deal with you.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, actually quite common, quite common. Like the,
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  Speaker 1: I think other stuff also, right? The Chinese also have
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  Speaker 1: that kind of the Thais also have, yeah, it's quite
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  Speaker 1: common that people have this kind of house spirit, ancestral spirit. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: the Thai is famously kummantong. It's quite, quite, quite common,
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  Speaker 1: but for Pochong, because usually we feel that it's like,
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  Speaker 1: like just a wandering spirit, then suddenly you can actually
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  Speaker 1: only that's quite.
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  Speaker 1: Quite interesting, yeah, I think it like, like our episode
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  Speaker 1: that we talked about Lang shui, it's the same you
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  Speaker 1: catch them all 151151151. You catch them all, then you
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  Speaker 1: become the master you catch masterball, the black one.
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  Speaker 1: The hardest one.
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  Speaker 2: I have never felt older.
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  Speaker 2: So the Chode River in Indonesia is said to be
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  Speaker 2: inhabited by a massive colony of Bochoks. The colony is
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  Speaker 2: led by an early 20th century local shaman whose shady
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  Speaker 2: lifestyle and practices greatly disturbed the villagers. One day they
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  Speaker 2: decided they had enough and hunted him down, murdered him,
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  Speaker 2: and mutilated his body. It's the worst firing ever. The
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  Speaker 2: body parts were later wrapped in a large, bloody white
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  Speaker 2: shroud and buried somewhere near the riverbank.
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  Speaker 2: The shaman's ventral spirit alongside thousands of pochongs he has
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  Speaker 2: recruited over the years has haunted the Chode River to
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  Speaker 2: this very day. Pochong's sightings have spread across various regions
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  Speaker 2: in social media, and many have shared posts about how
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  Speaker 2: shrouded figures are roaming in several areas.
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  Speaker 2: Alongside the suggestion of potential crime activities behind this phenomenon,
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  Speaker 2: horror stories can be used for negative purposes such as
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  Speaker 2: for fear mongering or playing harmful pranks. Do you think
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  Speaker 2: stories like these can be used for good or are
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  Speaker 2: beneficial for people, and how so?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you really think these stories is, is,
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  Speaker 1: is beneficial for people, like, for example, the Chodi River?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, OK, I don't know how that could be beneficial,
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  Speaker 2: but like we've talked about this before, this whole idea
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  Speaker 2: of
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  Speaker 2: You tell these stories like, or the, the, the what's
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  Speaker 2: what's one of the traits of the Pontiac don't hang
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  Speaker 2: your clothes out at night. So the benefit on there is,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if at night outside it's dark, it's it
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  Speaker 2: might potentially be dangerous.
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  Speaker 2: The side effect of this is, well, I don't go
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  Speaker 2: out at night, lah, so it keeps you safe lah.
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  Speaker 2: So there are benefits to it in this particular instance,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's just, it's not so much a benefit
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  Speaker 2: as it's a moral tale. Like, don't do shady dealings
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  Speaker 2: or people will come for you, and then you're doomed
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  Speaker 2: to roam the rest of your life with your fellow pochong.
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  Speaker 1: For me, I think is the good thing that came
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  Speaker 1: out of it was him being murdered, honestly, like if
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  Speaker 1: you are so powerful that you can actually.
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  Speaker 1: Recruit 1000 pojongs, that means you are really not normal. Like,
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  Speaker 1: like even for a black magic practitioner, right, and maybe
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  Speaker 1: 1020 is like quite, quite alarming. You're talking about 10
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  Speaker 1: to 20 souls that that were human ones, but 1000,
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  Speaker 1: come on, that is like the scale. Yeah, it's army,
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  Speaker 1: and then if they really need to feed on blood,
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: then you need a 1000 blood. That's like a lot
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: of victims. So I feel like.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he, he got what he deserved lah. Uh, one
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: of the stories that I've read, uh, is like, uh, so,
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: so the story is that this lady is working in
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: a in a factory and like one day she was
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: very tired and she was in the night shift, by
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: the way, and then she was like, OK, I'm going
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: to lay down, I go to the staff room to sleep.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: So she was sleeping alone and suddenly when she was
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: sleeping halfway, she hears someone jumping, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: Then the thing jumped and sat beside her. Uh, so
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: she was like lying down on the sofa, and the
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: thing sat beside her, got some space inside her. Then the,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: the thing, uh, spoke to her in Malay lah, and
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: she understood. They said, Can you please, Dolong, please help me, uh,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: untie my lock so that I can move on. Then
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know why the thing actually told her like
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: what was the reason.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: That uh it became a pochong and by the way,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: the pochong was female. Yeah, for some reason it was female.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: It was like basically she, she, she, she got murdered
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: inside that factory and then her, her body never was
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: never found. So she's like, uh, cannot rest lah.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: So, uh, then the, the, the person who wrote the
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: story untied her knot, and then, uh, the, the, the
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: poach reminded her say that, OK, you need to follow
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: the teachings of our God, uh and then uh please
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: remain a good Muslim, and then you will continue working
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: here peacefully because I, I, I, I will now move
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: on already.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: So that was it. That's why I think like the
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: story was that just be a good human, lah. Like
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: even though the person who wrote the story was scared, like,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: obviously will be scared. I made the bong come sit
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: down with you and start talking to you, uh, but
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: I think she was being, she was being helpful trying
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: to do some kindness for the deceased. Hey, but she brave, huh? Yeah,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: that's the thing.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: That when I read it I was like wow, still
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: can talk to her, you know, like ask her why
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: just just imagine when you close your eyes,
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: paint the picture for
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: me. OK, you just imagine beside you there's a shrouded,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: I was about to say Pokemon there's a shrouded there's
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: a shrouded ghost.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: And then the pochong starts talking to you. When
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: too long ago.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I failed Malay since primary 2. Can you please
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: help me.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: How can I help you? Open up, untie my knot.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Um, sure,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: so you, it takes a lot of energy to do that,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: and then like you're like, sure,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: but I mean, look, OK, like, and that's the thing,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: like I, I, OK, I, I say sure and joke
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: and everything, but the thing is the pochong is asking
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: for help. It's not there to hurt you like what
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: they were saying before. It's, it's neutral everything. So if, no,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, yes, I will be scared.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: But I think it does help that it's OK lah.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: First of all, it translated to English for me, which
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: I appreciate, um, but it's, it's
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: speaking, you know, so I heard, right, actually one of
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: the telltale signs that the pochong is trying to disturb you, right,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: you will disguise as like your family members, uh, from
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: what I heard, lah, basically like sometimes, you know, at home.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: You alone, then sometimes you heard like people call you
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: like yeah like wind, but then you heard it as
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: like your family member's voice. So sometimes they, they, they
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: say lah, right? I never experienced before, but they say
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: it's usually the, the pochongla that does that.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: See that, OK, that will creep me out a bit
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: more because then it's look, asking for help as scary
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: as you are. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna lie
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: and say, oh, I won't be scared. Of course I'll
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: be scared if there's a potron sitting next to me.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Not something you want to see lah, but I think
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: I'll be more scared if the pochong pretends to be
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: somebody I know, because then it's lying, and if it's
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: lying to me, then the deception is there. What else
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: could it be? What else could it do that's negative?
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: But
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: if,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: let's say the pochong asks for your help, if he's lying,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: you really, you really like, oh, OK, let me help you. No,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: but I think they think like,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: OK, lah, then, then, you know, I'm screwed either way, lah.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: But I do think that, OK.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Let's assume good faith because we talk about how they're
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: generally neutral entities anyway. So if we assume good faith,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: of course, yes, if I see a pochong, I'm not gonna,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna sit down here and be like, I'm
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: so brave. I will be scared. Of course I'll be scared,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: but I think I'm a little bit more inclined to
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: try and listen to the pochong. But if it's lying
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: to me, then my assumption is, oh.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Something bad is involved because if you just need my help,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: you don't have to lie, but if you're lying, you
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: want something else. So far,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: do you have any Pochong stories? So there's this sender,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: send me this story. OK, she was sleeping on the floor. OK,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: she was sleeping on the floor, if I'm not wrong,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: the sister sleeping on top and then she was sleeping
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: on the floor.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: So there's this one night, she was finding her uh
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: bolster lah, right, bolster. She was hugging like she, OK,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: she finally found her bolster, she was finding a bolster,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: where are my bolster? Then she finally found it. Then
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: she hugged it lah, right. But then when she was
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: hugging it, it felt a bit wet.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: She felt a bit wet, no, like wet and like
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: a bit warm, and then like, hey, what's wrong with this, ah?
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: So long story short, I think she, she went to
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: sleep and then she, when she woke up, she, OK,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: let's see, ah, when she found the bolster it is
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: on the left, it's on the left. So when she
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: woke up, she turned to the right, her bolster is
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: actually on the right, and then like on the left, right, nothing,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: nothing is there. And then when she recalled, oh, actually
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: like when I hugged the bolster, it felt wet, it
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: felt wet and like, you know, very.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Um, like very sandy, is, uh, OK, this one is
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: quite steady if I'm not wrong, it's like it happened
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: like at a kampong or something like that. So this
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: sender was, uh, lying down, normal, right, laying down. So
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: one night when he was, he or she was sleeping,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: you know, when your bolster is the thick, thick bolster
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: when dropped on the floor, you can hear the thing like, right?
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: So imagine this, ah, her bed, then her cupboard is here,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: bed cupboard is here.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: So one night she was sleeping, she was awake, awakened
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: by the sound of like the bolster dropping like, but
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: the scary part is she heard the thing, the the
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: the bolster like.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: You understand? Not once, not twice, like more than 2
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: times when the thing happened. So she heard the bolster
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: dropped from the bed and then roll to the cupboard,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: go back to the, go up, go back up to
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: the bed, you know.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: She had it like once, uh, more than twice. So
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: I rarely gets. So basically it was a big bolster. I,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's a super big bolster. It's just
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: a normal bolster the. Then you can hear. Then she
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: is basically a pong pretty sure what else this story
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: happens to my wife. OK, so there's this, OK, when
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: she was young.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Right, there's this period of time, her family always gonna
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: like black magic one. So at this point of time, uh,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: every time she goes to sleep, right, she will dream, it's,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: it's like a dream, you know, she wake up, see
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: her room, every, the layout all the same, but again, ah,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I know it sounds funny, but at a period of
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: time when she dreamed of that dream, one thing she
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: cannot do is she cannot laugh. So once she starts laughing, again,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: it sounds funny lah, but once she starts laughing,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Then there will, there's this like black figure or something
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: will appear to haunt her. So there's this one night
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: she woke up, then she heard, again it's a dreamer,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: she woke up, she heard her dad called her, you know,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: like um R, R, sin, sin.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: So she walked like she, she went out of her
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: bedroom door and then she walked to the kitchen, and
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: her dad was in the kitchen. Uh, the dad was
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: facing the kitchen window, you know. So when she, when
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: she stands in the kitchen door, right, she sees the
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: back of her, her dad, la, right. So her dad
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: was saying something in the line of like, thing only
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: thing only ayajuni, right, uh, look, look, look what I found.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: I found this. So when the dad turned around, I
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: swear to God this is what my, uh, my, my
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: wife told me, right.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: She, he, it's like he, the dad is like holding
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: a baby, but it's actually like a mini like a
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: baby pochong like that, pochong, yeah. So that was um
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: one of the scariest at that point of time when
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: she told her parents like I keep on dreaming all
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: these things, her parents didn't believe her until one night
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: her mom went through that dream. So her mom actually
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: dreamed of like, OK, waking up, normally the layout of
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: the room all the same, but then her mom cannot laugh.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: And then in that dream, if I'm not wrong, lah,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: her mom laugh or something, and then like the, the
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: entity right that was disturbing said like why don't you
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: trust your your daughter like, you know, imagine with but
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: imagine with like kaya aka.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Akuda mangangu you know something like that lauda mangan they
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: all sound like they got sore throat I don't know lah,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: bro but
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: It's not like they smoke a pack of cigarettes for
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: 40 years of their life. I wish I can make
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: a different sound, but I don't have like any reverse.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: I cannot. I cannot change my pitch and whatnot, right?
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: But yeah, you just imagine like it's like, you know,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: why don't you believe your daughter? Then after the incident,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: then the mother believed her, and then they actually went
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: to meet, meet, meet and we start lah. It's actually a,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: a Daul Shifa or something like that. It's like there's
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: a center for it. The first ever visual of jumping
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: movement of a pochong was.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Case in the film Setan Kuburan. Traditional folklore had stated
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: that the pochog floats or teleports, but with the rise
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: in popularity of pochong in the modern movie industry, jumping
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: was popularized uh because the actor's legs are bound. The
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: po chong rose to popularity with the shift of how
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: it was
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Presented in print media. It was no longer portrayed as
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: just a corpse and was presented as a representation of
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: sin and divine punishment. From the popularization of Poh Chong
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: on magazine covers, it found its largest stage in Indonesia's
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: private television industry in the early 2000s. The Pochong is
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: now a staple of Southeast Asian horror with the trend
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: peaking in the 2000s and 2010s.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: The Poh Chong is an iconic supernatural being that has
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: been around for decades, even evolving in description to suit
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: its times. Are we responsible for adapting such stories to
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: feed our modern climate to ensure its longevity, or should
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: we stay loyal to its original law? I think you
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: can adapt lah. And you already got plastic bochong already, right? Yeah.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: I mean it's not really, I mean, I mean it
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: can be right like it's like a, OK, like if,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: if I'm, if let's say I make a movie, I
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: have the, you know, blessings to make a movie about
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Poh Chong, I will definitely explore something that is not normal,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: like not, not a normal story of Poh Chong, like
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: not the classical story of Pochong. Like it's almost like
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: you reimagine how you should Count Dracula.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: OK, OK, yeah, so, so like maybe if I were
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: to make a Poh Chong movie, it would be about
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: the plastic Pochong, but maybe in a sense where it's
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: like a serial killer show, like, like it's not really
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: a ghost but like a monster or creature, but like
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: based on the idea of Pochong, something like, like a
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: reimagining of horror because I feel like horror is always evolving.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: It doesn't have to stay because it's Poh Chong is
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: this way, then it has to be this way. I
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: feel like that's very.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: You're like gatekeeping it for for the sake of gatekeeping
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: like a phantom, like, you know, you can only do
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: it this way, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's quite true. Like,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: like even like the origin of pochong, right, you never
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: know whether it's true also or not. They say like, oh,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: the pochong because it's, uh, it's the, the, the knots
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: are tied. That's why they, you know, come out of
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: the grave, you know, try to find someone to help them.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: You never know whether the story is true. So, so it's,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I feel like.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Again, la, like Parran Zalman lah, like, like to suit
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: it's like modern climate, right? I think it's finer for
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: you to like find new reasons why they haunt you
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: and whatnot, you know what I mean, yeah, I agree,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I agree,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: and I mean, honestly, it's not to say that just
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: because you make a more modern version of Potong, you
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: cannot go back to the traditional version of what there's
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: room enough for both. If somebody wants to make a
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: modern Potong movie where
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Pochong is using TikTok to find its victims.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Oh my God, yeah,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: coming soon. It starts,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: it
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: starts,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: it
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: starts like giving like, uh, radio DJs doing midnight live
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: like like a lot of the gift like but.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Then he realized that he that he keep the pocho
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: keep pressing one button only because the head can only
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: hit a certain part of the screen and the button
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: go up like they give yeah then throughout the night
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: like as he progresses with his life every night he
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: will start hearing like.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Outside his window, then the last night is the very
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: loud one. Then the window breaks then then the DJ
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: disappear to be fair, that is quite creepy if you're running,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: you cannot find an escape and then all you hear is.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: This is creepier. That is creepy. Oh my
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: days. But you see that, that just proves my point.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: You can do any kind of movie with the pochong,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: whether it's the traditional one or whether it's backrooms meets Pochong.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: It's just what kind of story you want to tell,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: and he's not listening to me at all. No, no, no.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: He's thinking about it, he's thinking about it. He's thinking
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: about it. I'm just like imagining like, bro, because, because
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: my conti, right, the screens are here, and then on
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: my left, right, is actually a glass panel.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: And then from the glass panel it's actually like a
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: high ceiling and then if you were to peek at
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: the bottom, right, peep at the bottom, you can see
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: the CNA place, you know, and then like I was thinking, bro,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: if like I hear knock knocking sound coming from the
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: glass panel, right, that was scary, bro, because legit nothing
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: for people to walk one cannot walk one, bro. It's
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: like brah, then like I was in my head I
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: was like thinking like bro, imagine like you heard like.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Then you turn around and it's actually the pochong using
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: the head like. In every episode, we have a question
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: for everyone here and those watching at home. So, for
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: this episode,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I would like to know, would you help a Pochong
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: loosen their rope if they ask you to? Why and
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: why not? Of course, uh, I will do the right thing,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: which is to loosen their knot. Do the right thing.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Who says it's the right thing?
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: So that they can move on, helping. They can move on.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: What if the thing trick you, huh? You see, you see,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: the thing is, right, you still believe in like the,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: the story, you know. What if the story is actually
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: someone made it up to trick me into helping the,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: the thing? Oh, OK, OK. Don't, I haven't finished my
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: train of thought. My train of thought is like if it's,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: if the story is true, definitely I'll do what is
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: right to help you move on. OK. But if it's not, if, if,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: if I'm feeling a bit devilish that day, doubly, how much?
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, this guy who is about money one you correct
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: business minded one. How much, how much you gonna pay
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: me to help you? You treat the pochong like some
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: kind of like some kind of like how much, how much? No,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: it's like how much you will help me win the 4D. No, no,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: the way you, the way you say like yes how
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: much if you.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: If you look at it this way, some people, they
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: keep the pochong to earn their fortune. Carl is helping
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: the pochog be free to earn
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: his fortune with,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: with, with, with a transaction fee. Correct?
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: It's a win-win situation.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: No lah. But, but in all honesty, uh, I would.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I will help it, but I will be on guard la. Like,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: if he tries anything, I'll give you a right jab, really,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: but I probably will lose. But at least I, at least,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: at least I tried. I tried. Then he's like this guy,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: even though he died, he tried to right jab the pochong,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: you know, but he lost. It's true.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: You go and find how many people will try to
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: write jab apochong who who had a way to die, bro. Yeah,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: for you,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: well, you know my answer already, lah. I will help.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I will,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: yeah, I will help as long as they, it seems
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: like they're not trying to trick me. So don't come
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: and like use my loved one's voice and everything. But
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: they can be really deceiving, you know. They can be
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: really deceiving. So I, like, you know, I will make
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: it very clear if they're trying to deceive me, then
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: I will probably run.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Uh, but if they appear and they ask me just plainly,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: I will still be scared. Hopefully I will conquer my
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: fears enough to help them lah.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I understand far. Ah
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: yes, would you help Apochong?
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Somebody and sweet. Somebody never pay attention to courtesy,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: you know, it's not about courtesy level. It's just, no.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Is it because of fear or because of your teachings?
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Both lah. So, so in, in, in your, in your
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: beliefs is that you shouldn't even interact with them, right?
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: By right, I know. So you just bubble to go
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: la if they ask you see one and you just
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: act like you never see they walk off. No lah bro.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: If I see one, I will not act like I
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: don't see it lah. If I see one, I confirm
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: you will
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: pretend you're dead. I faint. No, I faint, bro. The
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: heart like pop pop pop pop pop up. Then when
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: I wake up, I'll probably be somewhere else.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Alright, so we're almost at the end of the episode.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Time to loosen up.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Uh, Kyle, please share with us our morbid fact of today.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: So
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: during the pandemic,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: several youth volunteers from Kapo village on the Java Island
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: started deploying patrols dressed as pochong to roam the streets
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: at night in an effort to deter people from exiting
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: their homes and to stay safe indoors. However, their plan
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: backfired when they became a social media sensation, and there
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: was a rise of people venturing out of their homes
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: to seek out the pochong.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I tried reading it with a straight face, but I
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: saw the news when I was in lockdown. I was
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: like that would be a bloody good idea to keep
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: people at home.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: I love it,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: but it's a little bit too high budget. High budget. Why? Yeah,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: because like you 1st, 1st of all, you need like
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: a white cloth, and then you need to do some makeup,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: then you need to tie yourself, and then you need
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: to jump, jump, jump, jump. A lot of effort. But
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: if I was the one who was doing it right,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: I would just buy the white cloth with the wig.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Now I would like hang them up on the tree.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Then I'll blast the sound, the laughing sound. Nobody will
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: come out already. That's laughing sound. They love me, kaka aka.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Nobody will come out already or stay home, but this
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: one pochong, yeah, no, but I'm saying I will only
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: use pong because too much effort. You need actual people, understand, understand, yeah.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: So let me add on to the question for you guys. Like,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: would you ever consider dressing up as a pochong? Nope, nope,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: not even for Halloween. No,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: no. And my reason is, OK, particularly for stuff like
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Halloween or for all this, right, disrespectful.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: I think if you are trying to, let's say you're
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: trying to portray a Pochong in a movie, that's one
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: thing you're trying to accurately portray a Pochong, that's one thing.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: If you're doing it for other purposes, Halloween, la, for,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: for lockdown, la, for who, who knows what other reason,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: you're just using it as like a
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: prop.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: You know, Kyle, you always say that, you know, when
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: we talk about horror, right, when we, you know, especially
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: for my show, everyday we talk about horror, right? It
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: kind of like invites all these um entities to, you know,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: be close, right? What makes you think like dressing as
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: a Pochong won't invite the thing to get close to you?
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Have you heard stories about all those scare actors?
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Especially in um places that I can't name the South
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Sudan Islands, every year there's a yearly show, right? And
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: then like I heard stories of like especially in the
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Po Chong segment, right, Chong segment of the of the
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: haunted house, right.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: There will be extra entities, you know, in the Pochong places,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: so not, not even Pochong kaka also kaka also you see,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: the more actor lah, the more aid but good unpaid
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: like in our, in our in our other show that
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: we actually interviewed, uh, Indonesian director Jokor Anwar and my, my,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: my sibling, your friend, no, my sibling, yeah, sibling far
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Anwar ko same, same, same, same, same.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Then he, he said that, uh, yeah, he, when one
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: of his films they actually got 27 Pochong actors. Then
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: there were, I think, 5 more that appeared on screen.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: He counted 5 more, but he's a good lah free,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: don't need more extra 2725. So total 33, 33, sorry, sorry, 332, 32.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: So if means got 3 teams.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: 11 aside can can play 3 teams. Triple. Alright, thank
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: you all for tuning into Tales from Incredible Tales. New
• 37:29
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• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Wayne. My
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: name is Kyle, my name is F and we'll see
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: you next time. Tales from Incredible Tales was hosted by
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Far Anwar, Wayne Rui and Kyle Ong. Directed and produced
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: by Kyle Ong, written by Wayne Rui, Assistant director, Chin
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Chin Wei, director of photography, Shervin Chua, Gaffer, Jonathan Chan.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Art director, Jolene Lim, sound recordist, Audrey Lee. Behind the
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: scenes footage shot by Ella May Walker, Hair and makeup
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: by Bino Lim, Production assistance, Aishwarani Duriasingam, Ella May Walker.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Post-production by Fudge Studios. Assistant editor, Ella May Walker. Motion
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: graphics by Jolene Lim.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Camera support by Nikon Singapore, lighting support by Amaan, smoke
• 38:28
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• 38:37
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