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Patriots Unfiltered 3/30: Time to Change Pats Team Building Philosphy?, NFL Draft, Interest in Lamar Jackson? · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: origional pockets welcome to Patriot's Unfiltered. We're also just taking
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  Speaker 1: Meek Mill at his word, like Miek Mill everything about
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  Speaker 1: and I'm talking about my colleagues right now, Rand with
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  Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson wants to play for the Patriots. According to
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  Speaker 1: a rapper, could be Meek Mill heard it from somebody,
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  Speaker 1: who heard it from somebody who heard it from somebody,
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  Speaker 1: and it's just passing it a week. Mill is all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden, Adam Schefter. Brandon writes in UM about frets,
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  Speaker 1: and please go ahead and mark where Fred said, I'll
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  Speaker 1: never forget the game I forget. I'll never forget that game.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what I forget. It might be. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if it was a preseason game or something,
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  Speaker 1: or a first or second game of the typical Fred,
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  Speaker 1: you have a lot of you like that that really
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  Speaker 1: got you. He's like giggling over there. She's just thinking
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  Speaker 1: of little Jack could make Lamar Jackson being Mill has
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  Speaker 1: been very overrated as an artist. I'm sorry, I do
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  Speaker 1: not listen to Evan's point of view unrap. So okay,
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  Speaker 1: this is Patriot's Unfiltered, fueled by Duncan. All right, welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here at Jilett's Stadium,
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  Speaker 1: and that means you can see us. Hey, how you doing,
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  Speaker 1: and you can see Deuce. I should probably not be
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  Speaker 1: texting then, Huh, I forgot I'm doing this. I spy Deuce,
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  Speaker 1: I spy Evan, I spy Paul myself, Matt in the booth. No, uh, Tamarrow.
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  Speaker 1: She's still recovering from the owners meeting. Duce. No, I
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  Speaker 1: think she's she isn't text I was kidding, Yeah, now
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  Speaker 1: she she was fine out there. She didn't get in
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  Speaker 1: any trouble man. No all Alex, yeah did. I did
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  Speaker 1: a little more research on on the rap game. She's
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  Speaker 1: so disgusted after the rap views from last show. She's
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  Speaker 1: never gonna come here, I know, not even for video.
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  Speaker 1: Usually that that gets her down here, right, you know
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  Speaker 1: a chance to get oh is that right? The FaceTime
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  Speaker 1: is big fully fully admitted it. She tweeted out a
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  Speaker 1: list after the show yesterday. Her favorite rappers is like
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  Speaker 1: she'steen artists long. It's like this is like my favorite
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  Speaker 1: draft crushes. It's like I could be here all day, right,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And it was funny because on the show
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  Speaker 1: she had mentioned that Kendrick was like by firing away
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  Speaker 1: her favorite and the list didn't include Kendrick again, and
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  Speaker 1: then she had to oh man, she really got into it.
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  Speaker 1: She had to follow up by saying that I thought
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  Speaker 1: that was that went without saying obviously, ken Rick, I'm
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  Speaker 1: glad I wasn't here for it. I have nothing to
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  Speaker 1: add to that conversation. I had very little to add
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  Speaker 1: other than just my you know, my newte number the
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  Speaker 1: seventies well Georgia sugar Hill game. Well, aside from rap.
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  Speaker 1: When it comes to football, fans are still a buzz
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  Speaker 1: about the comments made at the owner's meeting on Monday
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  Speaker 1: Robert Craft and Bill Belichick. Since then, Bill Belichick is
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  Speaker 1: was a a pro day And I guess Jim McBride
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  Speaker 1: was there. Is that how this transpired? LSU and was there?
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow? And he told Jim, we don't really make
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  Speaker 1: fun of other media here on this show. Paul Eyeball
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  Speaker 1: emoj you know. He I don't know if it was
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  Speaker 1: a clarification, but kind of made it clear to Jim
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  Speaker 1: McBride that, no, the Patriots are not resting on their laurels.
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  Speaker 1: It's not how we've ever done things here and that's
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  Speaker 1: not how we're doing things. Um, but didn't really explain
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  Speaker 1: the comments. So it's still out there and it was
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  Speaker 1: still not uh, the brand of Bill Belichick, the Patriot
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  Speaker 1: Way brand. You know, when things are not things aren't
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  Speaker 1: you know? Right right now? You know? And you know,
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  Speaker 1: and I um also include the owners comments. That's I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure that any of those things were in the
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  Speaker 1: best interest of the team this year. Um, but they
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  Speaker 1: are what they are. And you know, at some point,
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  Speaker 1: I think the owner and the coach needs to just
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  Speaker 1: sit down pretty soon and just say all right. And
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  Speaker 1: you thought you would have thought it would have happened already,
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  Speaker 1: after how last season went and the changes that needed
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  Speaker 1: to happen and all of this. Let's get on the
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  Speaker 1: same page here. We got football games to win. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, are we going after Lamar? And I I
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  Speaker 1: think you know, Uh, but Dard put one of Paul's guys,
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  Speaker 1: he came out, I don't know what his sources, but
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  Speaker 1: it you know, he reported as fact that the Patriots
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  Speaker 1: aren't going to be pursuing Lamar Jackson, as did Jeff Howe. Yeah. Multiple,
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  Speaker 1: And that's all I asked for on Tuesday, was like,
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  Speaker 1: can we can we fact check Meek Mill a little
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  Speaker 1: bit before we just run with this as this this
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  Speaker 1: you know, huge story. I think people want to believe it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm included in that. Of course I'm included in that.
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  Speaker 1: But uh, according to now, you know Jeff how you say,
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  Speaker 1: as well, did he just cited what a Patriot source?
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  Speaker 1: League source? What source? Did he site? Just? I saw
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  Speaker 1: a tweet it has said per source? Okay, so was it?
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  Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't click on the article. You know,
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  Speaker 1: this isn't my generation problem. So two people are saying it.
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  Speaker 1: I would have to imagine that if the Patriots were
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  Speaker 1: pursuing Lamar Jackson somehow, it would have gotten out there already.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Well, coming back from the Owner's meetings where
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  Speaker 1: I was in Arizona for the last couple of days,
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  Speaker 1: I just thought we all thought it was funny that
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  Speaker 1: it seemed totally planned by Lamar Jackson to reveal the
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  Speaker 1: trade request like six minutes before we were supposed to
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  Speaker 1: sit down with Jim Harbot. You know, so I and
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  Speaker 1: don't I know there's a lot to unpack. I just
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  Speaker 1: can't get over the fact that that, because of how
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  Speaker 1: these things have unfolded, that there's going to be a
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  Speaker 1: segment of Patriot's Nation that even if Lamar Jackson signs
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  Speaker 1: back with Baltimore, they're going to hold it against Bill
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  Speaker 1: Belichick that the Patriots did not sign him. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that's what's kind of been set up. And I
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  Speaker 1: think a lot of the tension of this season just
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  Speaker 1: feels to be rising. And you know, the I mean
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  Speaker 1: just all of the comments of what needs to happen
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  Speaker 1: making the playoffs didn't feel like an ultimatum necessarily, but
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  Speaker 1: it kind of maybe did a little bit. Yeah, And
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  Speaker 1: I think, you know, it kind of is like a subtext,
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  Speaker 1: but I think that this is not doing Mac Jones
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  Speaker 1: any favors this whole thing, and like I got some
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  Speaker 1: comments on that just because look, I do think, first
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  Speaker 1: off the top, I think it's weird that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you just can't really seem to get out of Bill
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  Speaker 1: that Mac is the starter anymore. And he had some
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  Speaker 1: positive statements last year after the offseason, you know, which
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  Speaker 1: is fine. I don't think he necessarily came out and
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  Speaker 1: said oh, Mac is our guy and he's you know,
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  Speaker 1: but just that he had improved. So on one hand,
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  Speaker 1: I understand that Bill wants to have Mac compete and
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  Speaker 1: to come in and not feel like he can you
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  Speaker 1: know that he's still on the hot seat. I get
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  Speaker 1: that kind of part of it, but it is weird
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  Speaker 1: that he won't really put his support but behind him
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  Speaker 1: through it. It It said. With Robert's comments, though, I just
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  Speaker 1: felt like he was saying, I like this kid. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think he was saying I think this kid is
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  Speaker 1: you know the answer the start. I just think he
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  Speaker 1: was saying, I really like Mac Jones, and I think
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  Speaker 1: we need to do more around him. I agree. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: he definitely said that, like he has a lot of
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  Speaker 1: faith in Mac Jones and you know, excited, you know,
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  Speaker 1: thinks he's a good player and all that stuff. He
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  Speaker 1: said that, But he also said that meek Mill, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and that's Bill's decision, and like, you don't even say
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  Speaker 1: that if you believe in your quarterback, you don't bring
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  Speaker 1: that out there because why why are you talking about
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  Speaker 1: somebody else you know? And what about me? You know,
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  Speaker 1: And so like you don't do that as a coach
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  Speaker 1: or an owner. Or another teammate or anyone. I would
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  Speaker 1: just tie it real quick. The next day, I listened
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  Speaker 1: to Dan Campbell talk and the way he talked about
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  Speaker 1: Jared Goff was like, thank god, we've got a guy
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  Speaker 1: like I mean, it was like, you know, and I think,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Jared Goff is what he is. We saw
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  Speaker 1: a pretty rough performance from him last year and in
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  Speaker 1: the super Bowl, but you know, it just it was
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of contrast to me of I mean,
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  Speaker 1: does anybody think he's the next put more faith in
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  Speaker 1: brock Purdy recently than anyone here has in Mac You know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that's right, Like we have to give
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  Speaker 1: him a passing year. You too, Well, that's even if
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  Speaker 1: you're faking, that's you know, the unwritten rule in NFL
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  Speaker 1: and really all sports is even if you're faking it,
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  Speaker 1: you always pump up your own guy, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's I think it's hard coming off the
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  Speaker 1: season that we had, and I mean there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of finger pointing, you know, amongst everyone fans, coach and
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  Speaker 1: all that, but it is it is just a little weird,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know, I think this is Max an
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  Speaker 1: interesting kid. He's always kind of played for hard ass
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  Speaker 1: coaches going back to high school. The legendary coach down
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  Speaker 1: there at bowls uh, Nick Saban, of course. So I mean,
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  Speaker 1: on one hand, I feel like Max should kind of
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  Speaker 1: be used to this, like no one's ever gonna give
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  Speaker 1: you any credit and you gotta have to earn everything
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  Speaker 1: of it. But at the same time, I just wonder
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  Speaker 1: if it might be worth a little bit to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just give him a little bit of reassurance through through
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  Speaker 1: the press, because so far, I mean, and even Devin, Like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Devin's point at his retirements that ceremonies, pointing
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  Speaker 1: out Mac being there and kind of praising him, and
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  Speaker 1: then three days later he's like, you got to make
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  Speaker 1: that call Lamar Jackson. I'm like, well, what is it
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  Speaker 1: the Devin, Do you believe in Mac or do you
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  Speaker 1: think like you just have to go all in for
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  Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson no matter what. So I think there's just
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  Speaker 1: so many rotating points of view right now. It's it's
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  Speaker 1: hard to really pin down what's going to happen over
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  Speaker 1: the next few months. I know it's we've never gone
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  Speaker 1: through well, in the last twenty three years or so,
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  Speaker 1: we've never we haven't gone through this with you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know the fact that you really don't have the guy,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like Cam Newton got here, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: we said it in this show, there's no competition. Cam
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  Speaker 1: Newton is a starting quarterback and he was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and it wasn't until we drafted Mac that now all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden we gotta wonder, like what's going on here?
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  Speaker 1: But up until that point, we knew who our quarterback
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  Speaker 1: was for the last two decades. And even then, to
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  Speaker 1: you a point, Fred, when they drafted Mac Jones, you
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  Speaker 1: knew Mac Jones was the guy, right, You just didn't
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  Speaker 1: know when he was going to take over for Cam Newton.
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  Speaker 1: But you knew. You don't draft a guy with the
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  Speaker 1: fifteenth overall pick with the idea he's never going to
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  Speaker 1: be the starting quarterback, right. He was going to be
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  Speaker 1: the starting quarterback. It was a matter of win. And
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  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden Patriots released Cam Newton. Oh
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  Speaker 1: this is so this is new to you know us,
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  Speaker 1: The only one ever got right? Yeah, I think my
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  Speaker 1: I think I speak for a lot of people when
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  Speaker 1: I say my frustration level with the team, and you
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  Speaker 1: just said it, Fred, I will admit that my age
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  Speaker 1: is playing against me here because I've never really had
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  Speaker 1: a time to be frustrated with the team. My frustration
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  Speaker 1: with the team right now is at an all time high.
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  Speaker 1: I have never been more frustrated speaking as a fan
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  Speaker 1: right now about the messaging from the team, the direction
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  Speaker 1: of the team, the overall philosophy of the roster with
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  Speaker 1: the team, all of it in general. And I look
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  Speaker 1: at what's going on with the quarterback position, and if
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  Speaker 1: we were looking at if this was the Jets, and
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  Speaker 1: the Jets were doing this to their their young quarterback,
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  Speaker 1: we would be like they're ruining another one, right, like
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  Speaker 1: this is what we this is what you do. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that there's a method to a madness of
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  Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, that maybe he's trying to motivate Mac Jones.
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  Speaker 1: That's the only thing that I can hang on to
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  Speaker 1: is that he thinks because Mac had to battle his
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  Speaker 1: way onto the field at Alabama and was a three
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  Speaker 1: star recruit and then had some haters quite frankly in
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  Speaker 1: the draft and still does very much, so that maybe
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  Speaker 1: that he's a guy that's motivated by that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, I just feel like they
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  Speaker 1: have checked so many boxes of how to ruin this kid,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm actually to the point now where it's if
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  Speaker 1: you don't, if you don't believe in them, they go
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  Speaker 1: get somebody else. If you don't think that he's good enough,
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  Speaker 1: or he's going to be a guy, he's going to
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  Speaker 1: be a franchise level quarterback or whatever the case may be,
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  Speaker 1: then why are we wasting time with him? Then go
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  Speaker 1: draft Will Levis, or go trade for Lamar Jackson, or
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  Speaker 1: do whatever I mean. If they truly feel this way,
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  Speaker 1: and then why why weren't they in the sweepstakes for
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers? Well, and that's part of the frustrations. We
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  Speaker 1: don't know how they feel. We really don't, but everything
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  Speaker 1: that they have said through the media, especially the head coach,
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  Speaker 1: is very very I think he feels the same way
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  Speaker 1: as all of us that if you put Mac in
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  Speaker 1: a cushiony situation with a with the right offensive coordinator
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  Speaker 1: with good playmakers around him, that you can win with
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  Speaker 1: Mac Jones, but you're not going to win because of
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  Speaker 1: Mac Jones. And if they truly feel that way, and
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  Speaker 1: this is the way that they want to build the team,
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  Speaker 1: which is value and being methodical and be u, you know,
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  Speaker 1: careful with what they're spending and who they're spending it on.
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  Speaker 1: Then you can't win with a quarterback that you just
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  Speaker 1: win with. You can't. You can't pull a quarterback to
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  Speaker 1: a super Bowl or being contending status unless you're going
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  Speaker 1: to go out and spend like crazy and make trades
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  Speaker 1: and make acquisitions like crazy, you know, like the forty
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  Speaker 1: nine ers have, or or like the Eagles or the
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  Speaker 1: Dolphins or these other teams that I think we're totally
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  Speaker 1: sold after two years on their quarterbacks or you know,
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  Speaker 1: forty nine unique situation, but this type of team building
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  Speaker 1: process with a quarterback that you don't believe in, you're
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna be a and nine every single year. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So that's that's kind of like where we are. We're
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  Speaker 1: in the wilderness. We're you know, searching for that right combination.
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  Speaker 1: I had one more funny little interaction at the owner's
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  Speaker 1: meeting with a member of the Tampa Bay media who
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  Speaker 1: I forget, really nice guy. We was just kind of
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  Speaker 1: waiting for Robert to come out and started talking to
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  Speaker 1: him and he was it was kind of like, man,
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  Speaker 1: the circus has left town for us, you know, even
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  Speaker 1: like Todd Bowls's table, nobody really there, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to the club, dude, Like we're back trying to
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  Speaker 1: find a quarterback. It was just funny to see another
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  Speaker 1: team kind of going in that pro post Brady wake
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  Speaker 1: of like, oh man, you know, it's it's it's so
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  Speaker 1: hard now what you know, Yeah, welcome to the party.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's you know, especially for them, they were they
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  Speaker 1: were irrelevant and then very relevant for a very short
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  Speaker 1: period of time, and I'm probably facing irrelevance again. That's
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  Speaker 1: I mean, even as a media guy, like you want
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  Speaker 1: to you want to cover a team that is at
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  Speaker 1: least involved, like you don't want to be covering you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's got some juice for Cleveland Browns and be five
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  Speaker 1: and eleven every year. Yeah, I know. And that's why
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  Speaker 1: I feel, you know, we're used to being Man, I
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  Speaker 1: feel really good about the roster and you know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: excited to get into training camp and to see some
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  Speaker 1: of these players, you know, how it comes together. And
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  Speaker 1: right now I almost feel like I'm I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to say I'm excited for the drama, but I almost
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  Speaker 1: feel like that's my storyline right now. Of like is
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: mac reilly in a competition, you know, like what's Gerob
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: Mayo doing? Like what how has the coaching configured this year?
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  Speaker 1: You know, where's Joe Judge? Like those kind of things
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  Speaker 1: are at the top of my mind right now, and
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  Speaker 1: it's it's less about like why would you do Smith
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  Speaker 1: Schuster Like yeah, it'll be you know fine, Like we
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  Speaker 1: didn't really talk about that on Tuesday. The whole possibility,
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  Speaker 1: you know, what how to build put it? You know,
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  Speaker 1: like everybody will have an opportunity, opportunity you know. Do
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  Speaker 1: you really think that there's a there will be a
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  Speaker 1: true competition between Zappi and Mac. No, I don't either.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it'll be a fair competition. I think
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  Speaker 1: Mac will get Zappy's the majority of like pass like
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  Speaker 1: I've seen enough so you and I agree. Pause. But
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  Speaker 1: but here's the real question. Should there be one? I
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  Speaker 1: don't really think so. I don't think. I think Mac
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  Speaker 1: deserves to be I think Mac deserves that. I might
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  Speaker 1: surprise some people based on the way I talk about Mac,
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  Speaker 1: but I think I think Mac deserves to go into
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  Speaker 1: the season with no asterisks, with no second guesses, and
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  Speaker 1: if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Yeah, Now I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it will. I also don't think that Bailey
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  Speaker 1: Zappy is more than a backup, So maybe that's clouding
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  Speaker 1: my judgment a little bit. Maybe if it was a stronger,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if it was a you know, a Garoppolo
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  Speaker 1: like guy behind him, you know, in twenty fourteen fifty,
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  Speaker 1: you know, coming into the fifty in season, Say, maybe
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  Speaker 1: I would feel different because I saw some stuff from
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  Speaker 1: Garoppolo as a rookie, you know, in the preseason, and
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: things that I didn't really see from Zappy. Maybe i'd
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: feel better if if you were Bailey Zappy in his shoes,
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: do you feel like there's blood in the water a
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: little bit? Though? Like, do you feel like I might
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: get a chance If I were Zappy? I would be yeah,
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: i'd I'm just gonna stay ready. I'm gonna make the
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: most of my opportunities. But I would believe if I
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: was Bailey Zappy, that my opportunity is going to happen
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: at some point, and I just need to be ready
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: for not to wish injury upon anybody. But this time around,
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: if Mac gets hurt and Bailey comes in and plays
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: as well as he did last year, the job ain't
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: going back. Yeah. I think Bill O'Brien is a little
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: bit of the wild card. Wow, how good was Mac
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: playing when he got injured? Not just so so okay,
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: So then you're right. But if he's really playing well
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: and he got injured, then he does get it back.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: You know, you got it tough, But but you missed
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: the rest of what he said. And Zappy goes in
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: and plays really well. Yeah, but you have to have
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: played better than Mac was playing. Yeah, And I think
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: that happened last year and back on his job back.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: I think Evans point is if it happens again like that,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: if like they might not get the job best. Yeah.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: But I think that you know, from the opening of
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: camp as a viewer, there should be no doubt who
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: the starting quarterback of the Patriots is. Yeah, that's how
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: I feel. Do you think the head coach feels that way.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: I think we'll see. I do I think that he's
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I don't like what you're talking about. I don't think
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: we can waste time with the first two weeks of
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: camp figuring that out. Well. I mean I would say,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: go to spring when you had Cam and met here
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: and how if he's truly looking to figure it out.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: He'll figure it out in the spring. Yeah, I know,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: but that's not You're not doing anything to show who's
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: better than the other. But here's my point. How many
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: times do we go out there in the spring and
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: see player X lined up at training one spot? Yeah,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: and that guy is the guy all the way through?
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Like they make these decisions, like I decided that Ronnie
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Perkins wasn't part of the equation in the spring. Yeah,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, Like I didn't have to wait for training
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: camp in the preseason games to see him knock out
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: reps because he's behind seventeen guys in the spring. So no,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: I agree with that. And like so in the spring
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: we should see Mac Jones getting you know, you know,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: it'd be clear. The spring isn't any time to make
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: any evalue, any competition evaluation. I'm just saying that they'll
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: have decided and for whatever, you know, whatever how they
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: do it, whether it's participation in the program, you know,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: stuff in the meeting rooms, you know, on whiteboards, film stuff,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: whatever they do. They have their depth chart pretty much
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: established before training and I and they should and it
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: should be Mac at the top of it. I do.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: I agree with you. So some of you know, I
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: hate to say this phrase, but talking to some people,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: those spring practices are way more intense than I ever realized.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: And I've learned that over the last few weeks, just generally,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: but that it is as intense as training camp is
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: in terms of putting film up, dunting what went wrong,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: grilling guys, all that stuff. So I totally agree with Bill,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: with Paul, I just think the wild card right here
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: for me is Bill O'Brien, because he knows exactly what
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: he wants, exactly what he's looking for from a quarterback.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: How does he feel about these two guys and how
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: well are they able to execute what he wants now?
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: The only thing, the only caveat that I would say
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: against our argument is like a lot of times, availability
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: has a lot to do with those those spots in
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: the spring, because you know, guys are coming off surgeries,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: they're not quite ready to go last spring right bonds
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: away to train Nixon. You know, Trey Nixon's getting you know,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: a lot of reps, and it's because other guys weren't
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: necessarily um you know, is actively involved. And I forget that.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: I think Myers was Myers. I forget the specifics of
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: a missed sometime and May. Yeah, I think Gaggalod missed
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: sometime in the spring too, if I'm not mistaken. But
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: he also cut some deep balls in the spring, and Parker,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: you know, was doing the same kind of stuff. So
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: I just think that that's the one caveat that I
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: would say a lot of times that happens on the
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: offensive line. You know, three offensive linemen are dealing with
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: offseason surgeries. They're not ready to go, you know, in May,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: and oh well, it looks like, uh, you know, Chason
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Hines is making a push for a starting job because
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: he's only got really but like he puts your point
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: to the Wynn Brown swap, didn't we kind of see
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: that first first day that we got a chance to watch,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: they were at the opposite sides and it never changed.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: So sometimes you get I mean, sometimes Bill moves guys
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: around in an effort to create depth, and sometimes it
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: means you know exactly what it is he shows you
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: exactly what is on day one. Yeah, so that's the
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: status quo right now? Um status is quo. What's our
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: next our next milestone? So you have the owners meaning
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: next one is the draft, right, there's really nothing now
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: between this and the draft, which again like this is it,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: like this is what it's about, you know, And I
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: totally get what people are upset about with, you know,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: free agency and you know, and them doing it the
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: way they do it. But just to continue to hammer
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: that put them doing the draft the way they do it,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: that's and that's and so to Evan's point twenty twenty one, Hey,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: maybe we've changed some things around this last year. So
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: you've had two examples in the last two years of
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: it going both ways. How's it going to go this year?
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, and I think we all er faith Yeah, zero,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I am, like I said at the beginning, I'm at
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: an all time frustration. So you expect to be apoplectic
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: on your first PU draft show. Absolutely, I disagree. I
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: have I'm optimistic about the draft. I think. I think,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I think when you look at their guys, when you
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: look at the stuff we've put up on Patriots dot com,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: you know, behind the scenes with Shryne Ball, we're about
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: to drop behind the scenes from a combine um that
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: whole thing. There's a lot of young guys in the room,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: in the personnel room. But did any of them have
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: a say, I just maybe not, but I'm hopeful that,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: led by Matt Grow, a lot of these young guys
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: do have a say and that will affect how they draft.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of young guys. I mean,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: I would wonder, you know, who was, Like how did
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: it all? I mean, I think we all have our
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: opinions on how the cold strange of it all went down,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: how the Taekwon Thornton of it all went down. But
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: if it isn't the way we did, you know, how
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: are those picks viewed now? If like, let's say, maybe
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: that maybe what people don't think. Maybe it was Macro
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: banging the table for cool. I don't know, but you know,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: like like is our thing's gonna change? Like I don't
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: know whose picks those were, but I don't think it was.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: And I don't think last year's draft was was the
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: home run that they needed, And now it just puts
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: more pressure on this year. Yep. The one guy, you know,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I like Macro a lot and I like Cam Williams
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, I've gotten to know him a little
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: bit at the Shrine Bowl and it's at BC's Pro
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: day the other day and he went to Ohio State.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Cam Williams did play football for the buck Eys linebacker,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: and they really don't like Ohio State guys in the draft.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: They never draft buck Eyes. So I made a joke
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: about that with him talking to him and Jackson Smith
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: and Jigba, Dwan Jones, Paris Johnson's Zach Harris. I mean,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of Buckeyes. Every year, there's a lot
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: of Buckeyes. But in this draft, there's a lot of
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: guys that fit in their range of the draft that
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: they are going to be on the board, And you
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: just wonder if like one of those things ends up
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: one of those trends ends up breaking because there's a
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: guy in the room that now has Ohio State bloodlines
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: and is pounding the table for js N. So they
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: actually go out and draft a Buckeye. You know who
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: was the last Buckeye that they drafted in the first
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: two rounds? Was it Andy Katz? And I was going
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: to say, that's the only one that comes to mind
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: for me. The only guy that that it was Terry Glenn.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: So so the only Ohio State guy that I can
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: think of that they drafted anywhere recently was Nate Ebner,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: and he was a Day three rugby player that they
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: took a special teams flier. He didn't even play Football's
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Belichick pick that predates Belichick. Oh okay, that was a
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Pete Carroll pick. Ebner might be their only Ohio State
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: guy that Belichick's ever drafted, which was a very Yeah,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: that is a little lot. I never really thought of it.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: I mean that that is a premier program that has
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: been at the top of the game for the entirety
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: of Belichick's tenure. The other one is a Penn State.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: They don't take Penn State guys either, never have and
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: so Joey Porter Jr. Penn State. Yeah they're going to
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: take a Penn State guy or they not. You know,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: there's programs like that. You know, everybody connects Iowa to
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: the Patriots because the kirk Ferns, they've taken one Iowa
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: player the whole bell I always wondering with these things
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: like is it really an aversion to that particular program
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: or is it just kind of the way it's worked.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: It's starting to paying a picture for me that he
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: doesn't like the Big ten, which I would agree with
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: him on, but to me, the yeah, the separation would
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: be Ohio State. I would stay away from the Big
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Ten in general, but I wouldn't stay away from Ohio State. No.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: The best team. Yeah well yeah he and he has
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: drafted Michigan guys. But it's like even to like Cole Strange,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I'm sure Cole Strange is the pick, all things considered,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: that broke some kind of trend that you know, like
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: he's never taken small school. They never taking a power
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: five linemen until uh Strange or nonpower five linemen in
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: years until until Strange, so that that was definitely a
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: strange a trend. Well, call me a sucker, but I'm
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: I'm always optimistic in this respect. I am too though
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: I have that I still have that cock eyed optimist
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: about the draft, just because I like the energy of
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: getting new young players in, even if they're not the
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: guys you totally wanted. And I and this is cold
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Strange a great example of just a guy that a
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: football aside. It's it's nice to get these guys who
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: are good, young, tough football players in. Maybe it's not
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: where people want, it's I I am remaining optimistic about it.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I have to be down, Like listen that the recent
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: track record is what it is, and it's not really
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I mean the side of the wall. Guys, you know,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: the Jerry Thornton's will defend it. I won't. I mean,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: it hasn't been good the last five or six years.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: You know, generally they've had some good draft picks. But
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: I'm not as down on Belichick in general the draft
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: or as a lot of other people. Andy used to
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: yell at me all the time. Yeah, it was called
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: him a very good drafter andany like wanted to come
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: across the table at me, like it's intense. You know.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'd have to take the very away from it
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: now because of what's happened in the last four or
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: five years. But I think there has been enough examples
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: of him really having strong draft classes that and I again,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I don't think it was Poli. I don't think it
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: was Cassio. I don't think it's you know, Ziegler, and
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's Matt grow I think it's Bill Belichick.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I've always thought that, and I always will until he's
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: no longer in that job. Yeah, but I think to
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: that point though, Paul, I mean, look at like the
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: twenty nineteen draft, now it's just like as you're getting
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: post Brady, like that's that's a death sentence. I can't
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: due the death sentence. I can't argue and I argue everything.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: I can't argue this. And it hasn't been good lately.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: And there you know, I'm sure that you could go
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: back into the early two thousands and you know that
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: draft stunk, you know, and I'm sure that there were
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: a couple, but it's just unfortunately the timing of it
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: all when you when you lost Brady, this is when
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: you needed to hit home run out of the drafts
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: is that I can't. I can't get on them. If
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: they take Zay Flowers in the first round and he
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: ends up being bad, he ends up being a bust
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: because you get it, can't be can't get on them like, Okay,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: you drafted a name, a name brand guy who's a
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: first round pick from everybody's board and he just didn't
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: work out, Like okay, fine, but we're not in the
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: in the time anymore where they can go off the
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: beaten path like they did last year with Cole Stranger,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: even like they did with Devin mccordy. I thought that
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: was really interesting from his retirement press conference, talking about
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: how he really wasn't a consensus first round guy when
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: they took him, but they had they they're there, you know,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: they were able to take those risks back then and
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: and able to take guys that I think what he's
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: good at, you know, Bill is taking guys that fit
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: the program, that that fit a specific role in the system.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Like we know that this guy's gonna do this, this
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: and this, and he's gonna play here. But they need
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: guys that are just transcendent talents that that are just
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: elite talents that doesn't matter where you plug them in.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if they're playing here, if they're playing
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: in a West Coast system or a spread scheme, whatever.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: They're just good football players and they're gonna be good
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: football players anyway. It's almost like you get in trouble
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: with the draft when blank and one of those answers
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: is when you overthink it, Yeah, when you overthink it, yeah,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I mean, and I would say that
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: trading up and down, and obviously you have to do
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: your diligence. You have to look into the past, you
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: have to look into character, you have to you know,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: you can't overthink that. But when you overthink the tape.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: But one of the one of the overthoughts for him
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: is what Mike just kind of touched on. And I
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: don't have a problem with trading and moving around, but
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I think that they have the idea of trading for
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: them is I think, and this is not anything I
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: have any proof of, specifically with the mindset of I
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: like three or four players, I'm going to move down.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: One of them is going to be available. And I
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: don't like that idea because I don't ever think guys
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: are the same. Yeah, like I'm not okay if I
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: can get Mike, Paul or Evan at twenty nine instead
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: of twenty one. I don't like that that philosophy, and
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: I think Bill adheres to it. I think, I don't know,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: I think he does. See I don't mind that. I
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: think one of them out of Mike, Evan and Paul
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: is the pick. But as we take them as don't
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: roll the dice that they're going to be available as
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: long as your evaluation is sound, if it's true what
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: you're saying, that's good, and then I can get one
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: of those guys and another pack. And I think they
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: are I mean, I'm not going to give you all
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: the examples because again I don't have definitive proof, but
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: I think there are examples when they've done that and
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: it's really hurt. Yeah, and I think one of them
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: happened last year in the first round. Yeah, and then
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I could argue, Okay, their their evaluation wasn't sound like
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: they were wrong in the fact that they could get
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: equal value later they were wrong. But I would say
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: that for you know, just on surface, the higher you pick,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: the better the player. So it's not even it's like
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: to me, it's a philosophy that's wrong. Like if you
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: you can sit there and say they're all the same,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: they're not all the same. And Bill tells you that
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: that they're not all the same. He says it all
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: the time, just like he says players are never staying
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: the same from one year. Then you're either getting better
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: or you're getting worse. You're not staying the same. So
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: why does he think what doesn't really matter which guy
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I get. I trust you, you're the greatest coach who's
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: ever played, I mean coached. I trust you to pick
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: the guy that is better, right, and then but then
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: the more talented guy that's the guy I want. The
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: only time I like disagree is like you probably could
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: have gotten an equivalent the cold strange if and then
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: he's probably not a great example because I think that
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: that was a that was a panic reach, is what
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: I think it was. Yeah, okay, but like I think
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: there's been examples where he's just decided like it doesn't matter, like, yeah,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I might need a corner, I might need one of
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: those guys would be available, and then I'll take ROSSI dalling,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: you know, because he was available. Well, like you know,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe you've heard it. I think I've
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: heard the saying trust your board. You know you you
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: you spend all this offseason and really the whole season
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: before building a board, and once you get to draft day,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: trusted trust it. If you've got these three guys stacked,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: trust your board. You know, don't because we do stack
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: it vertically. But don't throw away, don't throw away all
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: the work that you've done to build that board on
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: draft day because for a panic reach or you know whatever.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Trust your board because there's been a lot of work
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: that went into building that board. Yeah it was work.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: And what board, because that's that's the problem. To me,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: it just looking at it from an out, you know,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: outside perspective. I admit, I, like Paul says, I have
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: no inside information on this whatsoever. But I would bet
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of money that Macro's board and Bill Belichick's
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: board do not look the same. I disagree. I think
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: it's one board. I think it's one board with Bill
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: making the ultimate decision. I think that the I can't
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: envision a scenario where the conversations that I'm able to
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: have with mac row that that man thought that Cole
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Strange was the right pick in the first round last year.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I can't have that. And Bill loved, clearly loved him
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: and took him. I mean, maybe Bill has like a
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: little scrap a piece of paper with his own thing.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: But when we go in with our cameras on draft day,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: there's one board. That there's one board, and Bill ultimately
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: sets it. Yeah, but I think Evan's point is if
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: they were going in with one board and it was
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: up to Matt grow it wouldn't look the same as
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: the one that they go in. I didn't say it
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: was up to I just said it's up to Bill. No, No,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: I no, I get that. Yeah, But when you know
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: I'm speaking for you now, you're when when when Evan's
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: saying I think mac Row would have a board that
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: looks a lot different than Bill's, he's not suggesting they
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: go in with two different boards. And mac Row says, no,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: we should take this guy because I have him here,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: And Bill says, no, I'm going to override you. No.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Bill ultimately decides, and he might have guys that are
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: way differently ranked than than mac Gerel. Would I think
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: any two people's boards should be different. How could you
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: possibly have the same board as Moss different so any
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: two people could look at three hundred prospects and rank
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: them differently. I don't know if you'll agree with this, Evan,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: but I like from my experience, you know, I screw around.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I get like, you know, start putting my big board
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: together and who I like and all those things. And
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: then I'm like, Card, I'm gonna stick to my big
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: board and this mock draft. And then I get to
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: the dude the like you know, mock draft stimulation. I'm like,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: I can't draft that guy at fourteen, you know, like
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: it always kind of works out that way that you're like,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: that's why I would be terrible at it because every
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: time I'm on the board, I look like I don't
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: want any of the right I know, and I think
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: that's what Bill does any trades down right, I think
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: that's exactly how we get in trouble. It's funny. I mean,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: it's it's they just they need to figure it out
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: this year. And I mean, but I can't help. But
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: like I gotta bring it up though, Like shouldn't Bill
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: have to control of the board, like you know what
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, Like, like I'm not he should know he should. Yes, No,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: he's the head coach, I mean, and GM it comes
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: down to him. I fred, He's put together pretty successful
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: programs over the past twenty years. He should he It
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: should all come down to him. But it all it
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: all comes down to, like how much faith does he
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: put in his scouting department? You know, you know, is
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: he is he willing to go with their opinion. I'm
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: under the opinion that I agree with Paul, Like everybody
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: has different opinions and the same player. But by the
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: time draft day comes, all those opinions should be in
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: the barn. Yes, you know, like by that time we
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: should have a consensus. Is what Bill says, but it's Bills. Yeah,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I know he overrides, well I think he he but
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: he might override during the process, but by the time
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: you get to draft day, the overriding has been done
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: because the decision, because you're saying, Fred, he's not looking
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: at that board that's in their room, that is set
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: and they get to their pick and there's the guy
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: that should be and Bill says, you know what, Actually,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: you guys right right, yeah, we're gonna skip the ninth guy.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: He puts twenty one ahead of men. It's already go
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: in there. And then that's why you see Macrow just
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: do Yeah. And I don't listen. I have more faith
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: in Bill than obviously Evan Listen the best example, and
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: it's indisputable. I don't I don't care what anyone cas
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: It is just like a whole world evolution change. But
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: I'm defending. But the indisputable evidence of that, no matter
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: what Bill says or anyone else, is during the Rutgers
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: years with Siano, Yeah, Bill put Devin mccordy above everybody else.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, let's face it, you know, or to Ron Harmon,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: But I I think I gave you the information there
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: on on that draft though that I gave you the facts.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Like Bill loves to say, you know the one of
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: us she drafts, Well, No, actually, Bill, there was thirty
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: five draft x Rich that would pull. The worst grade
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: that you got was a bee, but first grade. But
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: if my point, Devin mccordy by all accounts was a
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: late first early second round prospect. But my point is
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: if anyone where they took him, My point is if
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: anyone in the room liked other people over Devin mccordy,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Bill over Row with that, Yeah, yes, and you know
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: the same with a lot of those Rutgers guys. He's lost,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: he's lost that dost trust from me. What I would
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: like to see, That's what I would like to see
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: happen is Bill goes to macro and says, Matt, I
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: need a receiver, I need a tackle, and I need
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: a corner because that was our That's what I need
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: to to turn this team around right now. And I
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: want Grow picking up the players because I don't you
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: just want somebody other than Bill or is this something
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: about Grow that you like? Because I have not been
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: impressed with the way Grows speaks after these drafts. I
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: haven't been really impressed with a lot of the grow factor.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: I think grow Cam Williams. I won't put Elliott in
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: this category because think Elliot Wolf is more pro Cam
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Williams more more pro personnel guy Dead and Draft, but
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: maybe him a little bit too. I think the two
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: of them, though, especially Cam Williams and Macro, I think
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: that they understand the game in twenty twenty three a
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: little bit better than Bill does. I think that that's
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: probably fair. I didn't like the way, um, grow you
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: know this is gonna be funny, goofy guy funny coming
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: from me. I didn't like the way he snarkily sort
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: of chastised us all about you're grinding the tape on
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: one that remember that last year. There's been little things
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: like that that I like. Was that you that he
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: said it to him. No, it wasn't, probably should have been,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: but I didn't. I didn't mean that if it was,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: because I wasn't even in the room. I was listening,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: because we would do in the show when we were
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: hearing all that stuff, so we're not even in the room.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: But like, I didn't like the way he taught Like
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I think he he uses a lot of like punchline,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: like a lot of punch words, you know, like you know,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: you you want to want to want to be faster
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: as a team, you go to draft fast, Like, yeah,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: he defended the picks last year. He definitely did. He did.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: He went to bad for all of those picks because
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of us were but kind of like finger
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: wagging as he was defending him, you know, like that's fair.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: I think when all of us wanted George Pickens and
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: they take Taekwon Thornton. So then we get into these
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: press conferences and it's like, okay, well why did you
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: take Taykwon Thornton over the consensus guys? You know George
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Pickens sky more, you know, and then he mocked or
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: whatever for you know, it's like it's like Colonel Jessup, like, yeah,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: you know, questions the way I provided, Really, I just
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: rather have you say thank you and beyond with it,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: like I'm sorry. Like a lot of people, ever included,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: do a lot of work on these draft picks, and
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: they have like some thoughts and opinions are they not
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: allowed to express them? But just because I don't, it
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean that nobody else does, especially based off of
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: what's happened recently where they don't have the trust anymore
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: to be like we're always you have five or six
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: years in a row where you have like one and
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: a half, you know, reasonably good drafts. That's that's how
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: you put it. That's it right there, you know. I'm like,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: I think the twenty draft is looking better probably now
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: than it did last year at this time. You know,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: with Ucha's ascension down the stretch last year, and when
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: You's been good, Dougger's been solid, that's a good drafty.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: And then I don't think the next year. I don't
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: think the next year's draft looked as good as it
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: did last year at this time. I know. But with
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Mack and Barmore. Yeah, but I'm still high on Barmore.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: You can still be high on them, but you have
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: to be less high than you were last year. But
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: even when even those pick because of injury or yeah,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: even but the twenty twenty and twenty twenty one draft,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: both of those drafts, I know people are gonna say, well,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Dugger played at Lenora. Dugger was a top fifty prospect
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: in that draft. Yeah, another one that was not drafted
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: away from where everybody thought he was projected. People make
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: that out to be a cold, strange pick, not like
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: look and he did when when you guys all laughed
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: when he took No, we didn't. No, No, he was
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: a second round pick. Yeah, by everybody's account, I look
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: at the way other people stacked the board, not the
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: way I stacked. So everybody had him in the second right.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: So my point is, is there two best drafts of
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: the last lest call at half decade or when they
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: went by the board when they said dugger Josh ucha
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: on when it in the sixth round was a steel
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: at the time. You know, we all a lot of
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: us that do all this homework on it. You know,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: I had I thought on when it was going to
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: potentially be a fourth or you know, third or fourth
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: round pick. They get him in the sixth great pick.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: And then the next year Mac Barmore, Ramandre, even Ronnie Perkins,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: who hasn't been you know, panned out was a guy
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: that all of us had, you know, were third round
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: and they went Alabama, Alabama, Oklahoma, Oklahoma, And everybody was like,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: thank you, right, are you're taking quality players from quality programs? Correct?
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Why Why is that so hard? Why why do we
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: have to have a draft like last year where where
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: you just go completely off the reservation, like, why can't
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: we just stick to the board, And I under it's
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: not just to please us, like, it's also just because
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: more times than not, the guys that played at those
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: blue blood programs end up being the best players. Yeah.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: And when you look at the way a lot of
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: people have these things rated, and I'm saying it's there's
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: no guarantees, and if the guys that are doing the
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: projections were perfect, they probably be working for teams. So
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: I understand that. But to Evan's point, you have a
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: guy like a when you who a lot of people
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: thought was going to be a round or two higher,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: well you get excited about that. Conversely, when you take
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Cole Strange three rounds before everybody had him going, that's
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: that's a red flag, like why did everybody else have
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: him going so much later than you picked him? Yeah,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: and then when he gets by the coach, not by Paul.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: The coach took him out of three different games because
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: he was struggling. I'm sorry, that looks like a bad pick. Now,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: does that mean he's a bust? No? One year in
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: just like I don't like to just automatically declare a
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: guy who makes a has a good rookie year a
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: home run because it's one year. You have to wait
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: and see what happens over the court. You know, does
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: he get the second contract? That to me is kind
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: of what you're looking for. Yeah, like you know, is
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Josh j gonna get a second contract? It's just it's
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: just I don't know. It's just so hard at the
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: point that they are though, because it's like, even if
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: they absolutely hit the col Strange pick out of the park,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: what difference does it make last year? That that's a
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Paul argument for a different day. Like, you know, I'm
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: more different. I need difference making players, you know, special,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: you know, planet kind of players I want to take with.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: That's what they need. They need difference makers talent and
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: the best the best guard isn't gonna be And I'm
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: sorry to all the guards out there, but that's always
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: the position. I'm like, my son plays guard. You can
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: get a guard that was pick even at the time,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: and nothing to do with cold Strange. It's just that
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: you needed a premium talent at a premium position, and
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: you took a guard in the first round. And my
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: my take at the time was you go into Buffalo
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: next year, is Cole Strange gonna gonna help you beat
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: the Bills? What would your reaction to bent they got
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: to Zion Johnson and that and that because he was
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: the guy that's supposed to be there, I would feel
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: better about it, but I just still feel I would
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I would say, Zion Johnson's not allowing you to go
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: into Buffalo and win, right right right, Like I kind
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: of think Evans point on that is accurate. And I
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: also like Michael Awen you right again, We'll stick with him.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Sixth round pick. That's where I want to take my lineman,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: especially my interior lineman. I understand that if you want
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: a really good left tackle, you've got to invest a
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: pretty high pick in it, you know, more than likely.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: But I think you can get the rest of those
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: spots in the middle to late rounds and you're gonna
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: draft a lot of linemen and most of them aren't
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: going to pan out. You're gonna have a lot of
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Corey Hilliards and Ted Larson's that go, you know, go
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: go their separate ways. But you're gonna hit on a
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Michael when you or a Dan Copin and you're gonna
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: have good late round offensive lineman that help your team.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, their interior trio for multiple super Bowls was
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Tuney Andrews. Mason. Tuney was a third round pick. Shack
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: was a fourth round pick in Andrews draft. Well, at
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: that point, even I want to ask you this because
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: I saw your tweet about Dante's grunning about Roderick Jones,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: and you know, I think you made a good point
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: on Twitter just saying they don't draft you know, a
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: guy who only played one year. It's it's experience. But
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: you know, like, can we make the argument now though
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: that if that guy, even though he's not experienced, that
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: he has that blue chip potential, that it's worth taking
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: that risk even though he's not the most extreme even
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: look at his look at you have to list you
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: you actually I miss Matt Lte. Okay, it was because
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: you only this is what happens said six and there
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: were only five guys there. But the five guys that
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: you listed, I would say kind of not the most
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: impressive list. Right, So this is where you know draft
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: nerd me and predicted me get into battles, because that
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: is a that is that tweet was about predicting right
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: of what they would do, not what I would necessarily do,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: because I love Roderick Jones, but they like older lineman,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: they like seniors, they like multi year starters, they like
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: guys that went to the Senior Bowl, in particular early
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: in the draft. Now, I think the rebuttal to it is,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I think what you were kind of getting at, Mike
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: is they've never really had a chance to draft one
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: of these Broderick Jones guys because they don't draft that
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: high most years. So when they're up this high, maybe
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: that changes because they don't necessarily when they're down lower,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: they take the more experienced guys, but when they're up high,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: they take the high upside guy. I don't know, but
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Broderick Jones has nineteen starts at Georgia, and his past
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: sets are raw. He needs a lot of work in
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: terms of his path protection technique and things like that footwork,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: hand usage, you know, all that little nitty gritty stuff.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: So he's a little bit of a project, you know,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: And I think that that's not typically their m O. Yeah,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: And then but then I would just tie it to
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: cold strange because I mean, although experienced, still very raw
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: as well. And you know, so it's like at a
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: certain point, Hey, why don't you just bite the bullet on.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: You're gonna take some this kid like they took cold Strange.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: But you names are it's cold strange, right, yes, Matt Light, Um,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Nate Solder, Logan Mankins, Sea Bass No, Clem okay, so
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: there was another one that we're missing, but you know,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Clem bust strange. Not a great start, I'd say, Solder okay,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: but nothing more than okay. So right now, Matt Light excellent,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Logan Mankins more than excellent. Yeah, but I think if
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: it'd be one thing, if you use that philosophy, they've
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: only done it six times, you'd be like, oh, they
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: that must be a tried and true philosophy. They must
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: bang it out of the park every time. No, it's
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: like a fifty fifty prop Yeah, you know, I mean
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Solder for his for his warts, gave you some Soldier
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: was fine, he was okay. But I if I'm going
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: to draft the tackle in the first round friend and
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Nate's soldier was one of my all time favorite Patriots,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: by the way, I would I want something better than
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: if I'm drafting at seventeen. You know, you think Roderick
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Jones is better than that. I would imagine in terms
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: of athletic upside yes, like and he was pretty athletic,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: I have to say. I mean it was like a
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: tight end for a while, you know, I was famous,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: and I don't think Matt has the I used to
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: the stupid podcast that we would do. You know, when
• 47:17
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• 47:20
  Speaker 1: the cheap, cheap punch. Nate Solder not sold and of course,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: what does that mean? What do we do first? We
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: draft from in the first round. So I have to
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: have that played for me over and over and over again.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: And he turns out to be one of the nicest
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: human beings that I've ever come across in that locker room.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I think I might have said it on the show,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: but when we were talking a sea bass in Indie,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: he said he thought Soldier was too tall to play,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: like just a little too tall, had trouble with the
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: smaller guys that could get underneath him. And thought that
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: was interesting. You know, earlier in the Shum'm sorry, Fred
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: one last thing. Earlier in the show, I thought it
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: was interesting when you know Evan you talked about like, um,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: you know Bill sometimes is you know, he'll do a
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: reach here, or he'll do something a little bit unconventional,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: and I think that that has served him well at
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: times in the past. He's taking some guys that I
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: used to argue with Fred like, you know, he would say,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: like it's Bill, he's brilliant. You know, Gronk or Sebastian Volmer,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: it'd be another one Sbashion. Volmer is the good outlier
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: to this whole thing. So yes, I would argue there
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: are twenty eight teams that probably would have loved to
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: have taken a chance on a guy like Gronk because
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: they see its exactly what everybody else sees. But there's
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: only Andy Reid, probably John Harbaugh, Bill Belichick. There's not
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: that many guys that are that comfortable that they can
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: take a guy who didn't play his last year in
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: college because of a serious back injury and say, you
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: know what, it doesn't matter if it doesn't pan out,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: doesn't pan out. I'm Bill Belichick. I've won six titles.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: You know at the time, I've won three titles. You
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: know where am I going? They're not going to fire
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: me whereas you know, Kevin Stefanski can't make that pick
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: because he's out of a job if it doesn't pan.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: And that was what last year's draft was with Cole
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Strange was one of those we're going to just do
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: what we wanted to do. Sometimes it doesn't work, you know.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: But I also worked with Gronk, right, But I also
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: just think where the rope is running out on him
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: to have that, I agree that sort of would. I
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: would also like to see draft tendencies on teams where
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: the coach is also the GM verse, where the GM
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: has the power, Like if there's any pattern that you
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: can derive of tendencies, I'm not sure there's a ton
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: of guys like Bill though yeah I have the final say.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: I mean there are some, but I don't think there's
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: a lot. Well, I think it's a good example in
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: San Francisco with Kyle Shanahan. I am still not convinced
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: that Trey Lance would have been Kyle Shanahan's pick. Trey
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Lance feels like a scouting department's pick because of the
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: upside and the athletic tools. I still think to this
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: day that if it was up to Kyle Shanahan, they
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: would have stayed put and taken mac Jones. Well, I
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: think a Tennessee and this year with Rabel, he mean
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: close relationship with John Robinson clearly came, you know, and
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: overbled in coach here. But you know, how does that work?
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, like you really have to have a good relationship.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: It's interesting where you know you're gonna bring a new
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: guy him, what's his philosophy going to be? How much
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: you know is he gonna work with Vrabel? I just
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: that I'm just off the top of your head. What
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: are the other coaches that have the final say? I
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: don't know, I know, I know there have been over
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: the years. I don't know right at this moment of like,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: I can't think of one off the top of my head.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: Like in Kansas City, Yeah, I mean Howie Roseman the Eagle. Oh,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: he was all over the place that the owners mean.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm trying to think of Bill Bryan famously
• 50:31
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• 50:33
  Speaker 1: one point, you know, John Schneider Hasard in Syet. I'm
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: trying to think of the older coaches that might have
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: that that swag, you know, Ozzie Newsom in Da Costa,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: in Baltimore. Um, like even the veteran head coaches. Yeah,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: the Steelers don't have the final all right, that took
• 50:51
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  Speaker 1: like ten oh five, and no socks of course talk
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: them into keeping the bar open. But then like the
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: next day, we were going out to dinner and like,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: all right, everyone be down here at whatever, seven ten,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Like all right, seven time I come walking down, he's
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: he's at the bar. Deuce you want to drink. I'm like,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: I'll just we're going to a party. Like I don't,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: I don't need to drink here, Like, let's just go
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: to the party. He lives for it, all right, Uh,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: I promise we get to the phone calls and emails
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: when we come back, and that's what we're gonna do.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: Eight five five, pass five hundred is the eighth ticket
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: out line. We'll start with Fidel and Tampa. Thank you
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: for holding on. Fidel, Hey, how are you guys? Good? Hey?
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: So I've been holding on to this one thing for
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: all off season, and my biggest thing was I was
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: craft I would say this is Bill's last season if
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: the playoffs or significant progress wasn't made. Um, the reason
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: why is you made a point Fred like defending Matt
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: Patricia and Bill Belichick kind of saying that, oh maybe
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: it was Bill asking Matt to do offense with Judge
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: for the year while we wait for Bill O'Brien, or
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: it was oh, can you just try it? Or maybe
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: even Matt Patricia volunteering for the position. Either way, if
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: I was Robert Kraft and I saw the performance Joe
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: Judge just had on the Giants going for a QB
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: sneak on third down, or if I saw Matte Patricist's
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: terrible performance with the Lions, I would not entrust my
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: billion dollar franchise have a coach who thinks these are
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: the best two candidates to lead this team. That is like,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: absolutely ridiculous that we're even excusing that fact this long
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: into it. That was with one reason. Another reason is
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: just the poor drafting. It's like everyone can play GM.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: I played Madden a couple of times a week, and
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: I don't think I'm saying this is Madden or anything.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: I'm saying anything like that. But I know I'm not
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: going to draft the guard in the top first or
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: two round. What's the best case scenario that we have
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: is we have a guard who's like, um, what's his
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: name from the Yeah? Yeah, Like the best case scenario
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: perfectly a great guy. Now we're paying a guard twenty
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: plus million dollars a year. We've just stated the fact
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: that our first or three interior guys all for the
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: last like six seven years, so part of our last
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: three year bowls. Now, before we let you go, like
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: what what does? What does? What are the Patriots have
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: to do for you to want to keep Belichick this year?
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: It significant progress? Like I need to see like Mac
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: and the team performing extremely. I don't want to see
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: one hundred yard games, zero touchdown, two picks. I don't
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: want to be seeing that. I don't want to be
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: seeing players missing assignment, running into each other. I wanted
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: to see us to get ten wins minimum, like ten wins, Okay,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: I want ten wins. I mean I don't know how
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: you don't make the playoffs and have progress. I mean,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: you have to make the playoffs to show progress. Thanks
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: for doll, Like, thanks for doll. Appreciate the call. Uh yeah,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: I did notice, by the way, um, the slightly lowering
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: of the bar. Last year at the ONONUS meetings, it
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: was we haven't won a playoff game in three years. Yeah,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: that's just that. Just now we need to make the playoffs,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: should we talk about can should I bring up my
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: research this morning? You are you blasting two calls right now?
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: Go ahead. I was just gonna because because the whole
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: twenty five years things, I was like, well, how many
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: playoff teams have, Like, what's the record against playoff teams
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: in the last three years? You know, twenty twenty when
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: they played a playoff team in that season? Of course,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: I asked Paul and he rattled them off exactly. They're
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: nineteen times they've including the Buffalo playoff game that they lost.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: What do you think the record is? Do you guys
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: know off the top of your nineteen games or nineteen
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: weren't fifteen? Excellent? Fred nailed it too. They're four and
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: fifteen over the last three seasons against playoff teams. And Paul,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: do you want to run down the four what the
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: the factors were in those four winds? The wins over
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: playoff teams were New Year's Day last year against Miami
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: and Skylar Thompson. Uh. The year before that, it was
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: the Hurricane game in Buffalo, as well as the Tennessee
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: game against Without without anybody, it'd be easier to name
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: the guys that did play then didn't Uh. And then
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: the Cam Newton year, uh in the monsoon here against Baltimore.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: Those are the four wins over playoff teams. That's I mean,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: Brady left, I mean, that's what it really is. You know,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: that's that's what you've been Yep. So that kind of
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: says a lot right there. I mean those are facts,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: and you know, yeah, yeah, um, let's go to Chris
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: and Scottsdale. What's up? Oh he didn't hang on, Williams
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: and Pellam thanks for holding on right good? Hey, no problem,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: no problem. Um. Let me just say I've been a
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: Pictures fan for a long time and just I cannot
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: believe it's like this more dysfunction this off season compared
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: to the regular season when they were just going through
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: all you know, uh, you know with Matt Patricia and
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: Joe Judge and them being office courtineer and all this stuff,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: and then you have the owner and the coach not
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: on the same page. They don't need to be going
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: through this, we know all seasons. You should be trying
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: to get this team better if you're going with Mac Jones,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: which evidently that you are, and you should be putting
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: the best time around them. And what's gonna make Max better,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Because mac ain't gonna make
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: nothing too much better. You gotta put things in place,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: but that's gonna make him better, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: So I'm just it's it's just blowing my mind with
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: this this nonsense and that mister Kraft putting out, you
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: know about the Lamar Jackson thing with Meek Mills and
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: all that. You know, to Evan, I was just saying
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: to you though, you know, it would have been cool
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: just to have him, But for mister Kraft to say
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: that that was a straight sucker move because you don't
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: own it. You could have did that if he really
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: wanted to you a billion dollars. You know, they're our franchise,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: you the owner and all you could make moves over.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: If that's what you want to do, then you could
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: have did it. Period. There's no if answer. But about that, Okay, well,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: yeah it's and you're right, William, But it's interesting. Robert
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: Kraft never actually said that's what I want. He said
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: Lamar wants it, but it's up to Bill. He never
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: said I hope he comes here or I'd want him.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: He never he stopped short of that, you know, so
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: I wonder does he does he want him? I don't know,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but but to do what he did
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: really opened up a can of worms. There's no doubt
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, look look what it did. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: I agree. And now one more thing and that's it. Uh,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: this this one's dude, dude, you okay, you always say
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: about the draft, the draft to draft, you do know
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: and you are aware that are that Bill Belichick, our coach,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: basically is having a hard time drafting. You are aware
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: of that though, right? Sure? Okay? And also you know,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: you know him drafting a guard in the first round,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: which kind of pissed me off basically, but I was
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: just like, I can't believe you did that. So what
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: give me some faith for going into this draft? That
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: makes you think that he's going to do this right
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: this time? I didn't. I never said that. Why are
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: you Why are you going to me like I'm defending
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: to me. I'm the one that said I'm optimistic. I
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: mean and no, not friend, it's it's no, it's it's um,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: it's duced. It's always due. Because dudes, you always say
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: about the draft, but Evan always tell you that you
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: can't do everything through the draft, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: I'm a deuce on this for the most part, though.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: You should do to the draft, though, but just look
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: at the Patriots history. Some of those things will stay done.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: I don't care what you did twenty five. Well, I
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: think it would be two different things, right to say
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: that he that he thinks that you should build through
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: the draft, but also not necessarily love their drafting like
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: it's those are two separate, separate argument confused by a
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: question though, So I mean are you, I mean, are
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: you trying to say that they should have done more
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: in free agency and that that that's what you feel
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: like it's going to be. The downfall is that they
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: weren't more active, I mean a couple weeks ago. Okay,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: so let me put it, let me put you like,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: let me say this way. Then are so well both
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: be on the same page. Okay? Yeah, when we when Bill,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: I don't want just take the you know whatever, the
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: best pick that's on the board, take it. Don't be
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: reaching for something that's like in the fourth second round
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: when you can get you know somewhere in late why
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: are you just take the pick now? You know what
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. I don't, well will, I don't know if
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: you listen to the first hour of the show. But
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: I think we went through all this and we're all
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: on the same page with you, like I you know,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: I look, I just I'm actually on the page with
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: with you. Guys. I think you you need to be
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: excited heading into a draft. I mean, especially when you
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: have a lot of picks. Now I know they don't
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: have a lot of high picks, but they need they
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: need to start stacking drafts. And like the day that
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: you just give up on drafting, well, like what why
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: are you even doing it? If you're just going to
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: assume that you're not going to need those guys on
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: those early contracts contributing and the need to draft, Well,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: they need but there's another part of it. He needs
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: to play them. Yeah, Like you know, Evan, you brought
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: up something early about Zay Flowers. If they go if
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: they draft save Flowers and and you know you won't
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: be able to criticize it. Thanks, that's part of the equation, right,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: draft a guy that everybody thinks fills a need, talented player. Okay,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: everybody's on board. Well, now you have to develop them,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: and you have to let them play. I think that
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: there's been a reluctance for Bill to let these young
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: guys play and take advantage of that rookie contract. You know,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: look at you know, some of the examples of guys
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: over the years that you know it's like a year
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: or a year plus into his career before he gets
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: meaningful playing of time. How long did I rant to
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: you Romandri Stevenson fumbled in his first game as a
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: pro and got put on ice for like five weeks,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: Like what good is that? Yeah? Yeah, And I felt
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: a little bit last year like they it felt like
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: they were making some effort to get guys more involved
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: than in anything. I think they've done a better job
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: of it late lately. I mean, Marcus Jones wasn't out
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: of the gate, he was recovering from shoulder surgeries. But
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, all of a sudden, he's got
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: offensive plays. He's returning pts like couldn't see the field
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: for so you know, Jack Jones got out there, he
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: got to play, you know, more so in the beginning
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: of the year. I think he's been better at it lately.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: You know, like Barmore played you know, I think he's
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: been better obviously, mac Um. I think he has been
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: better at it lately than maybe he was three or
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: four years ago. But I think you have to be
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: you have to let and you have to develop him,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: I think, as much as I hate giving him credit,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: Ben Voland had a good piece last year late in
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: the year about the draft and saying like, we can
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: criticize the drafting, and that's fair, but you know, the
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: whole wide receiver thing, like they haven't developed these wide
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: receivers either, So it's not just like, well they've taken
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: to Kiel Harry and he can't play. Well, Okay, well
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: maybe that's true from Nikil Harry, but you tell me
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: all of the guys that they've taked, like Chad Jackson
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: couldn't play, Brandon Tate couldn't play, Taylor Price couldn't play,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: like every guy. But I think the problem is is that, yeah,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: when it comes to that position, they especially near the
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: top of the draft, and granted they haven't taken that
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: many swings at the top of the draft, so it's
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: a small sample size, but all of those guys were
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: third round and higher. But those guys that you just
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: named were all raw coming into the league as route runners. Right.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: And this is the part that bugs me the most
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: about the way that they evaluate receivers is that they
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: basically draft receivers based off their athletic profile aisles, whatever
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: you did at the combine, and whatever you look like
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: in shorts and a T shirt. We're taking those types
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: of guys. But the problem is is that their system
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: for twenty five years has been predicated on route running, timing,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: separation at the top of the route, you know, understanding
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: what your assignment is, you know, and where's what the
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: coverage is and adjusting. Those types of things don't show
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: up at the combine, right, So when they take Nikil
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: Harry in the first round over technicians, you know, guys
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: that were good route runners and were sound in those respects,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: That's where I think the frustration lies is because why
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: did you ever think then nikkil Harry was going to
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: work here? Yeah, it makes me wonder what it was
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: like when they met with him pre draft, and I'm
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: sure they did the thing where they got them up
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: on the white board. I remember we met three weeks
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: ago and we probably okay, spit that back up. You know,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: those kind of things that they tested well. Supposedly that
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: was Chad Jackson strength. Remember, yeah, you know. And there
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: was also a a period of time where this was
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: all blamed on Brady because Brady was too hard. It
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: was too Yeah he's to finished too hard on the
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: young young receivers. You lose his trust. Yeah, he's not gonna.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: Ryan's in New York. What's up? Ryan? Hi? How are
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: you guys doing on the show? I checked in a
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: little late to say so. If you already dresses, I apologize,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: But I understand there's need for a weapon with this
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: upcoming team. I like you do just as much as
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: I like Jacobe Myers. I know that's debatable, but it
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: is what it is. Um, But did we fully address
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: the tackle position and free agency or are we looking
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: for them at like a round two positions? Are we
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: just going to ignore it and say that our offensive
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: line magically got better. I don't think they can ignore it.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's the same play for for fourteen.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: I think I think the first two days, I think
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: they got to take one of those spots. Yeah, they
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: are all around. They it's another position where they have
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: some decent depth now, but they still it still feels
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: like the starters are they don't have a starter. They
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: added depth, yeah, but they don't have a starter. Yeah.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: I do think you hope that Adrian Clem, who Bill
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: basically confirmed, is actually on staff, so I think we
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: can talk about him with that reportedly, Uh, Adrian Clem
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: is I think you hope that he develops some of
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: the younger guys and maybe bring some guys along. I
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: think a guy like Calvin Anderson, who they signed in
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: free agency, has a ton of potential if he's ritt
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: the right coach. I think that he is somebody that
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: has the athletic upside to develop into a starter. So
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: maybe Adrian Clem is able to have some of that
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: Dante seasoning right where you bring one of these guys
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: in and you're able to find somebody. I feel better
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: about him starting that I would. Riley reeve it might
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: be the wrong way to ask this, but do you
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: feel like there's more on Adrian Clem and Bill O'Brien
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: this year or the coach coaches. That's my biggest concern
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: is they they're looking at Bill O'Brien like make magic happen,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: like a messiah, like come in and save us. All right,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: And I just I don't know if you can do that.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: And if I'm Bill O'Brien, I've got to imagine he's
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: in the meeting room right now being like Bill, I'm
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: a good coach. I believe in myself, but this is
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: a middling offense right now on paper, Like, you gotta
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: give me more than this. If you really want me
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: to be able to do my job at the highest
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: level you got, you gotta give me the you know,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: the old groceries, you know, saying like you gotta give
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: me some more than this. I just there's a lot
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: of hoping for Bill O'Brien. Do you think, though, that
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: this team can be better than twenty one, at least
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: like on paper where we stand today, Because I mean, well,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: what's like you said, who has more pressure on him?
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: On paper? What's a bigger upgrade Juju Robinson and Gasicki
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: over the guys that they replaced, or Bill O'Brien over
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: the guy he replaced. That's coaching by far. So if
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: you're gonna be better, it's almost entirely on the coach's shoulders.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: I don't think I think that Kasiki is better than
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: John hu Smith. I don't think there's a huge argument
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: to be made against that. I think Juju is better
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: than Myers, but as already stated, my argument on that
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: very very minimally, and I think Robinson and Harris are
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: a complete watch. Well. The real the question is if
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: O'Brien was here last year, how much better would they
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: have been last year with that cast? And I think
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: they would have been maybe a game or two better. Yeah,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: I'm not willing to say games better. They would have
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: been better offense, probably would have been competent. Yeah, I
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: think they win the Minnesota game for example. Maybe it's
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: funny that you picked that one. That's the only game
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: that they played all year that they looked like they
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: had an offer. But I think they would have finished,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like why, because they would
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: have been at some point they would have been more
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: con you know why they have a hard time finishing.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: I really dread going down this road because I know
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: what's going to happen. But they have a hard time
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: finishing because once the other team figures out the scheme,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: they don't have players that can win. But but that's
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: the that's why they have a hard time coaching. That
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: would have been better that they wouldn't have been able
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: to fit. It's the same problem that they had two
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: years ago. Yeah, that's why they didn't have any come
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: from behind wins. Well, when push comes to shove and
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: the cards there in the in the middle of the
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: table and it's my guy against your guy, they don't
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: have a guy exactly. And every once in a while,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: even last year, even last year with Patricia, they had
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: a scheme that was mildly successful at times earlier in games,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: and then the other team says, oh, I wasn't really
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: expecting that, but this is all we have to do
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: to stop that. Now what do you have to fall
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: back on? And this is why dreaded bringing it up, Fred,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: This is why they're easy to defend. Oh, they say that,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: but I agree, and I don't think the talent is
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: much different. I think they're going to continue to be
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: easy to defend with the guys they have now than
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: they were last year. I just think the guy calling
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: the shots will be closer to Josh McDaniels two years
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: ago than Matt Patricia last year. They'll be better offensively
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: because of that, And that's the number one frustration. I
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: agreed with William and his call was that if Matt
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: Jon's going to be your quarterback, then you have to
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: surround that quarterback with the talent around him for him
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: to excel. And I am not one hundred percent certain
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: that Bill thinks that that's as important as the rest
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: of the league. Doesn't. I'm not even talking about us,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: Like I'm not even talking about media. Just look at
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: the other teams around the league and how they approached
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: the offseason in terms of team building, and how they
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: go out and they trade for these receivers or they
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: draft through the receivers in the first round, and they
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: really go out in an attack for weapons to go
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: and get these guys. It is so funny to like this,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: does he believe in that. There's been a lot of tweets,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: you know, like listing all the offensive skill guys like
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: this is what they have and it's you know, Stevenson, Robinson,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: Kasicki Henry with Parker Thornton, and I'm like, yeah, like
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: this is supposed to scare people, like where where is
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: the major upgrade? Like I think people think that, Like
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of people talk about the offensive
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: line upgrade. We've been getting a lot and ASPF. Who's
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: up for APF, you guys. Yeah, the aspfw's you know,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: they want to like pound you know, pound away with
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: Romandre Stevenson behind the improved offensive line? What have they
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: done to improve the offensive line? Adrian Clem? Yeah, again,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: you're a You're almost entirely reliance on coaching. And by
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: the way, I have no idea if Adrian Clem is good.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: I know Bill O'Brien's good because I saw him do it.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: I've never seen Adrian Clem succeed as an NFL offensive
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: line coach, so I don't know what he is, but
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: he better be damn good because that's what everybody's banking on,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: is what Fred just said. I just don't know if
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: the head coach because also the GM, I don't know
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: if he believes in what the Eagles did. The Eagles
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: drafted DeVante Smith in the first round, and they traded
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: a first round pick for AJ Brown to back that
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: they weren't sure right they spent two first they spent
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: three top one hundred picks because they sent a third
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: round pick as well to the Titans for a J Brown.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: On receivers in back to back years, I just think
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: he's not going to do it. He's not going to
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: do that. The compet I think it's very similar. You know,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: where where Hurts was and where where Mac is now.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: You can make an argument that Hurts was further along. Literally,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: he was developing, He played a little as a rookie,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: he got his team to a playoffs is in second year.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: He was ascending, and they still said, you know what,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure about that quarterback. I think we need
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: to get more around him to help him, because if
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: we ask him to do it all, I don't know
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: if he's good enough to do it all. Now, maybe
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: he is. He had an MVP type season. My guess
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: is the guys around him had a lot to do
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, I'd also say I think it's worth
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: saying that they had a really good offensive line in
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: place too, you know, like that was set and you've
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: got probably the best part of what's around him. Yeah,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: but you can also build the line, and I think
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: they can build through the draft. I think they can
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: build the line through the draft, but they have not
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: shown any wherewithal at all with the receiver position to
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: believe that they can build that through the draft. And
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: these teams have overpaid in the veteran market for receivers.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: I think Tua in Miami was also in a really
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: similar spot. They drafted Jalen Waddle in the first round
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: and they traded a boatload of picks for Tyree Hill
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: and back to back years essentially, and this team is
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: just not gonna do that. They're gonna take Taekwon thwart
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: and fiftieth overall and they're gonna basically pick swat for
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: DeVante Parker oh with the Miami Dolphins, and they're gonna
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: say done. They're gonna sign Juju Smith Schuster in free agency.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: They're gonna trade John Y for Mike Kasiki. Essentially done.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: You know, Okay, We're good. Shuffle in the chairs. Rick
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: and Dallas gets some of these emails web radio atpage
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: dot com based on Tuesday Show. My question is this
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: Bill of the coach is still the best in the business,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: but Bill the GM is approaching the game with outdated philosophies.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: Do you think there's any scenario where Bill would stay
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: with the Patriots if mister Krapp brought in a GM
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: to oversee football operations, the draft, contracts, etc. That way,
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: Bill doesn't need to think about the cap or contract
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: negotiations and can simply focus on football. Nope, no, no,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: I don't no, Nope, I wish let's see. Sam writes
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: in from Halifax, UK. I think what is frustrating with
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: Bill and how he speaks about Mac is that he
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: sounds like he's been saddled with Mac against his will,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: when he's also the GM who picked him and Bills
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: the roster. It'd be different if a separate head coach
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: and GM were at odds over starting quarterback. But if
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: he truly feels the way it seems he does about
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: the position currently, then at this point it's on him
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: to rectify it. I trust Bill if he thinks Mac
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: won't be the guy, but to feel that way and
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: do nothing as a GM doesn't make sense. Well, we
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: don't really know, Yeah, I mean, and I think in
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: probably Bill's own way, he's trying to get the best
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: out of him Mac that he can. I you know,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: I think we can disagree if he's going about it
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: the right way, but I have to think that's what
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: I mean. You've invested a first round picking the kid,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: as he said himself, he can play in the league.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think a lot of This refusal to
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: kind of acknowledge him as the starter, et cetera, et cetera,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: is just it's part of his belief of how I
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: can get this particular player to reach that level. And
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know if it'll work. I really don't.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's I think Max a unique kind of kid.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: I don't. I just don't really have a true sense
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: of Mac Jones. I don't think. I think he's very guarded.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: In press conferences, we get kind of, you know, a
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: character that you feel like is running everything through a
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: governor of you know, what do they want me to say?
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: And you know we're just speaking generalities and you know,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: compliment everyone else. And you know, I just don't really
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: have a sense of him, and I'm curious after last year.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: You know, now you get Bill O'Brien in here, who
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: knows what he wants, who's a hard coach to How
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: does it all gel? You know? Is Mac? Oh? Wow?
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: Mac is really motivated and right now he's you know,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: down the hall and you know, lifting going crazy because
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: you know he wants that acknowledgement from Bill Belchi maybe
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: maybe but maybe not too and maybe he's like I'm
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: so over this. I don't you know, I'm not invested.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: They're not giving me guys that I feel like I
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: can play. You know, they didn't slide my buddy Slate
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: Bolden yet. You know, like those kind of things, you're
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: not having a good show holding a roster spot open
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: from a concy. I heard Jerry Judy's pretty good. Jordan Appalachian,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: New York, get it. He was actually Slate Bolden was
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: the guy that made that offense run. Jordan says. I
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: continue listening to the debate on Juju and Myers, and
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: last week everyone wrote in on the stats between the
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: two in man coverage, and Evan claimed Myers was better
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: in that category. To my eyes, Yes, I like the
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: Juju signing initially, and the more I listened, the more
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: I think we should have kept Myers. I'm more curious
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: to know how they each fared against top corners and coverage.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: Did Juju get the team's top corner more than Myers did.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: I don't recall seeing Sauce Gardner, Tradavious White and other
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: top corners following Myers. Hopefully you're sponsors, especially Paul's in
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: this move moved me back to favoring Juju. I just
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: I think you're overthinking it. I mean, I don't think
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: anyone's gonna gonna sway you with man coverage numbers like
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: they're they're kind of the same player. I think we
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: all kind of agreed Juju is a little bit better
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: in a few areas. Jacoby might be a little bit
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: more better in you know, reliability and contested catches. But
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: there's there's not a huge difference between these two guys.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: So I mean, that's my feeling on it. But I
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: also would say, if I don't have numbers, I'm not
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not a big analytics guy. You guys all know that.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: But wouldn't it stand to reason that Jacobe Myers was
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: the number one option for the Patriots passing game in
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: the last two years and probably saw more of the
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: coverage than Juju Smith Shuster did last year intended in
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: Kansas City, particularly on third day, he did it most.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, do you have to have like
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: is that what we've come like? You can't just watch
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: the game and say that he's the number one option
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: it's and Juju Wasn't you have to something that backs
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: that up with analytics from PF like, Yeah, the man
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: coverage number is the reason why I pushed back on
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: the analytics in this case is because that doesn't pass
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: the eye test. For me, Jacoby Myers is a better
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: route runner and a better separator at the top of
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: the route than Juju is. He's just just is based
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: off of the eye test. So I think that those
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: man coverage numbers are probably more to what Paul is
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: speaking about of the coverage was probably a little bit
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: tighter on Jacoby Myers. Is probably a little bit more
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: focused on Jacobe Myers and Juju was not the number
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: one option in the plan. But I think sometimes people
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: do get lost in the weeds of did he draw
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: the number one corner did he not draw? Because that
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of that is related to the type of
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: defense the opponent plays where that top corner likes to play.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: Like if you have a guy in the slot who's
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: your number one receiver, then but they Jalen Ramsey right,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: and Jalen you know, somebody isn't comfortable traveling inside. If
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: you're playing a zone based team to cover three or
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: a quarters based team, then they don't travel, they don't
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: play man. So here, Yes, in New England. When you
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: have a Durell Reeves, Bill Belichick's gonna put him on
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: the best guy and he's gonna travel with them all
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: over the place. But they're not a ton of teams
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: in the league that actually approach it that exact way.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: So don't don't get lost in neither one of those guys. Yeah,
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: neither one of those guys is the type of receiver
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: that were require that. Right now, Why would you go
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: in and say we're going to have Sauce Gardner trail
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: Juju Smith Schuster everywhere he goes only because he's the
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: best day guys. No, But I'm what I'm saying is,
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: you don't have to do that for this team, right right?
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: You do that for no? You just play Amy, You
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: just play sides and we'll see where they line up.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: I think or will be Brunswick. Here are my takes
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: on Robert and Bill. From Robert's perspective, the comments about
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: Lamar felt more like a humble brag. I know this
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: rapper and good players still want to play for our franchise.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: He's doing that because honestly, his team is becoming irrelevant nationally.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: They don't even get him mentioned in at seventy to
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: one odds. It's obvious they're expected to go six and
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: eleven for Bill, like the end of the show Tuesday.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: I agree, we're just holding on to the break the
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: record thing. When Tom left, most people said fifty fifty
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: sheriff credit for the Dynasty. With each passing season, Bill
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: is losing credit to the point eventually no one outside
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: of the local market will give him any credit. Call
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: Phil Jackson, Bill, He'll teach when he'll he'll teach when
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: to move on when you don't have play the best
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: players on your team, I don't know. Phil Jackson was
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: famous for leaving the team when he knew that the
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: stars were gone, like when Jordan was leaving when the
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: ship was sinking. He jumped ships with smart. I just
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: gotta say, Anthony Richardson doing a back handspring, he's a unit. Yeah,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: But I also have to say I'm not oppressed with
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: his throwing against air thing. You know. No, it's like
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: the footwork and a lot of air underballs that I
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: laugh someone on Twitter and it was a national name
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: that I didn't recognize. Yeah, they showed a play of
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: you know for Florida. He like drops back. Everything is
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: perfect like he sits in the pocket, bang back foot
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: footwork is perfect throw. It was an out that was
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: fairly m well covered, but the throw was perfect. And
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: the guy's like, why are there questions about this? Because
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: why is this guy a project? And I'm like, I
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: don't know. Can you show me the the other fifty
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: percent of the throws that he made that he didn't
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: complete so I can pick those apart. I do think
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: that he's a different type of project than I think
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: the word project has. Mary takes on very many meetings.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: I guess he's not a project in the way that
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: he operates from the pocket like he's he's a quarterback.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: Like he understands to read the coverage, he understands to
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: look it off, he understands I manipulation, you know, all
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: that type of stuff. He just has mechanical flaws right now, refinement, right.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: Did you think josh Alan was a project? Yes? Yes,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: of course he was. Yeah, so much started like Tony
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: mast Yes, josh Allen and this guy to meet are
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: really really similar. That they both when you watch them
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: on film, it wasn't that you're teaching them how to
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: play the position. It was we're refining their mccam like,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: no one was wondering, like, are you gonna make Josh Allen, uh,
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: you know, a defensive back. No one's saying that about
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson either. He's a eight quarterback. But the question
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: is is he refined enough with his mechanics, his accuracy
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: and all the things that go into it. I think
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: he's played quarterback the way everybody else does. I just
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: think he's a little erratic. I think these him and
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: him and Hooker are I mean all the Quarterborker just
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: such wild shooting up such I mean I've seen him
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: in the first round right now that everybody has him
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: in the first round. Now, I mean, now we have
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson in the top five, and a lot of
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: these mock drafts are show him right here. Like these
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: guys seem like such wild cards. I mean, I know
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: the quarterbacks will always be wild cards in the NFL
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: because you have to have one and if you like them.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: But I think you talk about, you know, players that
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: might get overdrafted a little bit that could push players
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: down to the Patriots. I think these are a couple
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: of guys. I mean it seems like Richardson probably in
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: top ten as he was. He's been a top ten
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: Pickford Yeah a while, Sam in North Carolina. Here's my
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: sort of conspiracy theory on what Bill sees in Mac Jones.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: He compares him to Brady. Bill thinks he made Brady
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: into the goat and that he could build a team
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: the same around Mac as he did Brady and coach
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: Mac up to brady Like level. I believe in Mac,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: but I do think he needs pieces around him just
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: like Brady did. To quote Chazelle, he can't throw the
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: ball and catch it too. I don't kill Bill for
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: free agency too much, though, because I believe if Judy
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: was a free agent then he would be a Patriot
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: by now. I don't don't. I don't believe that at all.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: If Judy was a free agent he would have hit
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: it out of the park. Well, I don't, and I
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: don't think the Patriots would have been the ones to
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: knock it out of the park. I'm also thinking that
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: I don't think Bill thinks he can make Mac Jones
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: and Brady. It's funny. I'm more agreed with the beginning. Yeah,
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: I do, and I'm glad he brought this up on Tuesday.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: If you were here, Mike, wasn't I think I made
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: a comment like, you know, I would definitely give Bill
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: some credit for developing Tom Brady. Well, that has turned
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: into on Twitter someone saying that I said that Brady
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: Belichick made Brady, which is not what I said and
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: not what I meant. If so, what I what I
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: was talking about with defending Belichick, which again I find
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: myself in a very odd place this week doing a
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: lot of defending of Bill Belichick, the greatest coach has
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: ever lived. Didn't think he needed defending. But anyway, now,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: I just don't think that it was all like, no
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: matter where this sixth round one hundred and ninety nine
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: overall pick went, he was going to win. I think
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady would have been successful no matter where he went.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: I think that he benefited from having the greatest coach
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: ever and that helped him win even more. That's all.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: I don't give all the credit for Brady to Belichick.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: That's crazy, that's crazy. But but Bill has you know,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: even though he stopped short of saying he's the greatest
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: football player ever, he says that Tom Brady is the
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: greatest at his position ever. I don't think he thinks
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: mac Jones. Can ever be that. I just don't well,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, but I do think he thinks he was
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: instrumental in it, and I'm not sure that that's accurate.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: Can you guys think of any examples of him kind
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: of pulling this stuff? Might not I don't want to
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: see mind games, but those kind of things with Brady,
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: like not like holding back on praise, these kind of things,
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, more of it trying to keep them running hot.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: Only late in his career he didn't do that. Early
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: in his career I think would have. I think it
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: was more with Brady. I think the differences is that
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: it was more behind the scenes than it was I
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: can get with the media. Yeah, and that's pretty famous
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: that he would grill you know, he would tear him
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: apart in film sessions. But early in his career there
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: was a lot of Fred You'll remember these there's no quarterback.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: I'd rather have late, you know, I think, And it
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: did start, probably with the drafting of Garoppolo. I think
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: he thought Brady had gotten to the point where it
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: was no longer as much of a burning desire for him,
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: you know, like the parking space was no longer a
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: huge issue. Off season, Alice. It's a lot of the stuff.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: But you know, starting in like fourteen and going through
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: those next few years, I think you did get a
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: little what Evan's talking about. Every once in a while,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: I need to do this because I gotta. I gotta
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: motivate him, I gotta keep him sharp. I just think
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: it kind of interesting in retrospect comparing to what game
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: was it Paul after in two thousand and one, where
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: it was like Tom's the guy now, you know, like
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: he went with him like you know what. It was
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: like the voter confidence the quarterback and we're going, you know,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: it's very sad day for me. I gotta I got
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: over it, though, and the guy won six titles. I
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: got over it. I came around Kevin and Burlington. Two
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: quick questions. If a team were to make a contract
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: offer to Lamar on the non exclusive tag, are they
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: allowed to negotiate with him or is it just a
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: blind offer? Yeah, you have to negotiate. Yeah you haven't.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: He has to science a matter of fact, that's the
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: only guy you can negot. And did you see his
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: new business venture that? What is that? The whole gym?
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: I think it's the biggest piece of crap him enough,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: But it's like a lot of metal rods that just
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: you know, listen, I know I'm not a Lamar guy.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: And that one point that was another point for Deuce.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: I felt like, I'm like, what are we doing here?
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: We working with Lamar is the same thing as Alvin's career. Uh?
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: And for Baltimore to match the offer, is it accepting
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: the exact terms of that offer or just years and
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: value like hypothetically exact terms? Yes? So could the Patriots?
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: Could the Patriots offer a deal that includes a clause
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: saying if Lamar will to play in poison more more
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: than twice a season, he gets like an extra two
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: hundred million or something to make it unacceptable. You can't
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: do that. You can't. But what you can do is
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: you can structure it. So this is the biggest, biggest
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: cap issue with Lamar Jackson is that the Patriots ideally
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: would structure his contract to have year one be a
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: low cap hit. But if you're Baltimore, why wouldn't you
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: just match it? If all the if all he's going
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: to count against the cap in year one is ten
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: million dollars, then why wouldn't the Ravens just Matt that
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: team friendly structure, get Paul something to drink well, but
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: dying over here. But that that's the really the only,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: the only difference now in terms of terms and stuff
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: like that, Like it's you're offering him a contract and
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: it's if they match it, they match the exact same
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: contract that you offered him and he has to sign it.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: So how much of this Lamar stuff though? Do you
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: think because he doesn't have an agent, like I just
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: I can't roll out that is like really gumming up
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: the works. Oh Josh, yeah, two, Josh is no offense.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: But he kind of looks like me remember where we
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: did We had a we had a coaches thing last
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: year on Zoom and he was like looking at it
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: himself in the mirror and he's like oh he started
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: like yeah yeah yeah, got like self conscious that he
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: only gets the graining weight. Yeah, I think the And
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: I wonder what the structure of that with um with Lamar,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: Like the Patriots have all that cap space in year two?
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: Do you make it really still? I mean, I know
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: there is like energies and stuff, there are rules that
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: you have to but assuming that you stay within the parameters,
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: if you make it a low cap number in year one,
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: if you made it an astronomical one in year two,
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: it's possible that make it harder for Baltimore. I don't
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: know it's possible. I think that when you whenever you
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: have an RFA, like the number one thing that you
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: want to do is you want to make it so
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: that year one cap hit is really not affordable for
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: the team that has has the option to match it.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: So if that's the biggest problem is that in order
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: to clear the cap space, the Patriots would also need
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: to clear the cap space, so they would be in
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: the same position as the Ravens. But here's the thing.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: Do the Ravens want to match it? Do they really
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: want to get rid of this guy? I don't know,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: that's the question. If they wanted to get rid of them,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: they would trade them. They'd be actively trying to trade them. Well,
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: they want to get as much as they can for him, right,
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: I think that they are. That's what they be doing,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: and they're not. I think they're genuinely in a point
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: where has anyone made an offer. They would be making
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: offers to other people if they wanted to trade Them's
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: my point. They'd be calling other teams. Yes, I think
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: to genuinely the problem and I think this is sort
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: of where the agent the no agent thing comes into play,
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: is that the Ravens and Lamar are on to polar
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: opposite sides in terms of what his value is, and
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: the only way that the they can find a middle
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: ground is by is by signing him to the non
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: exclusive tag and hoping that another team sets the standard
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: for them, sets the market for them. Because there's no
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: agent going out there and saying, well, we have X
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: offer from this team and why offer from that team?
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: So there's no there's really a lack of negotiation. So
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: they're saying to themselves, like, what does he even work? Like,
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: we don't even know what he's more likely this year
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: he plays for the Ravens, he plays for another team,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: or he doesn't play Ravens, doesn't play another team. Order too.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: But i'd like, you know, I haven't heard anything from
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: Ravens fan like I would just I'm just imagining if
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: the Patriots had Lamar Jackson and that this is what
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: they're going on, people will lose their mind. I mean,
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: I assume that they are. They are, but you know,
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: like I said, at the top of the show. There's
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: already people that are probably gonna hold it against some
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: of the guys that are based in Baltimore. They're going crazy. Well,
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: there was a poll done recently. I don't know who
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: did it. Um it was by social media sentiment in
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: the most negative fan bases. Surprisingly, the Patriots were low.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: They were like twentieth thing. The Ravens were like, you know, top.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: I thought that was surprising too, until I saw the
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: Jets were one spot above the Patriots. Like, I'm sorry,
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: there's no way the Jets aren't the most negative fans.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: But maybe they aren't active in social media. I don't know, so,
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: like that's my point. I'm pawning. It's a question. But
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: but Ravens were in the top five. So you know,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: when you're in the top five, something's going. If you
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: ever everybody knows it Jets for everybody knows somebody from
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: New York, right, if you ever met a Jets fan
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: that's not miserable, Yeah, but maybe they're so miserable that
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: they maybe they're so miserable apathy. Maybe it's apathy and
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: they don't go it ain't apathy, it's anger. Yeah, it's
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: it's It's like the Red Sox. You know, back then
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: people revel in it. It's part of the identity of route.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: Could you imagine, you know, in two thousand and two
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: the Patriots finishing like twenty fifth in most angry fans
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: in Major League Baseball, That to me is the equivalent
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: with the Jets and dr Right now, Yeah, let's see,
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: Sean writes in in Vancouver, there is a small sign
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: that the Patriots might be open to a little change
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: in philosophy. That change is Mike Kasecki. He's not the
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: best tight end the league. In fact, he's not even
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: a real tight end. That's where things open up. He
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: didn't fit in with the Dolphins scheme last season because
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: he doesn't block. Everyone knows he won't block, and in
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: the past the Patriots haven't used a player at tight
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: end like that. We have no We have to reason
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: that the Patriots brought Kasecki into be more a large
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: slot receiver. He will just run routes in a twelve
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: or two formation zero two. He won't get He won't
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: make the Patriots a contender, but he gives home. But
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: I just need the English explain to me. I don't
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: need the formations, but he gives hope that the that
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: New England will once again have an offense that opponents
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: will have to game plan for. Yeah, I don't. I
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: don't know how much you need the game plan, but
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: I do think that they're probably just going to basically
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: play him out of the slot. I mean, I think
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: we'll use him kind of like to Aaron, he's gonna
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: be I'm just gonna he's gonna be a pass catching
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: tight end. Wow, revolutionary, They've had those. I disagree a
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: lot that he is different. I mean, I understand he
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: only caught like thirty balls last year in Miami because
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: he wasn't a scheme. I get that he's more of
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: a fifty sixty catch guy right in his career. In
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: his last year. You know, last year was an outlier.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying for the years two years prior is
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: like seven hundred yards. Yeah, I mean he's a good
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: pass good not great, good pass catching tight end. Nothing.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: I would argue that him and Hunter Henry are basically
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: the same thing. Yeah, I mean, I think that he
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: probably has more juice. I think Henry's a little bit
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: more wiggle at the top of the route. But in
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: terms of like where you're gonna play the wiggle to
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: you not blocking you? Either one of them are great
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: block is a completely unwilling blocker, which separates him from
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: most Well see, I'm not totally convinced about that. Dan
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: and Hawaii Paul suggested that Bill does not draft players
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: from the Big Ten. That seems to be overstated. In
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: recent years, Bill has drafted a number of players from Michigan.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: Did you listen to the conversation? Are we forgetting that
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: there was a period when the Patriots drafted every defensive
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: back from Rutgers because of great Siano. I don't they
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: were not, but time they were in the Big East,
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: we talked. We talked about Michigan. That's the outlier program.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: While I am on board with the idea of drafting talent,
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: I still believe Bill can assess talent. I think Bill's
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: problem is he often drafts players based on how he
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: projects players. Bill has shown a propensity for drafting well
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: at running back but not well at corner. In the end,
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: I am a in Bill, We trust guy. Good luck
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: with that. What do you say they're good at what
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: I mean? Running back? Like? I don't think I think
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: that's probably one of the easiest positions to draft, Like,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: there's not I also think that's the position that he drafts.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: In my opinion, this is it's all about what you
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: agree with, right, I think he drafts running backs perfectly.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: Like where he takes them in general is exact, nicles
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: them through, doesn't get attack, give me a third fourth
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: rounder every time, I'll take it, yep. And generally, like
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: you said, running back, it's like a there's no projection, right,
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: there's like, do you know how to pass block on
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: third down? I think that's something significant. But otherwise do
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: you find them? A lot of them and a lot
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: of them have to learn that. But like a lot
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: of the Verenes, you know, the Stevenson's even Ridley, who
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: is a little bit higher. Like that's that's where I
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: want to draft those guys. All right, we're gonna give
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: away a T shirt. Ready, We're gonna give a wait
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: t shirt. First person with the correct answer to web
• 1:47:56
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• 1:47:59
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• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: is what song didduce parody before he started hating Brady?
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: What song deduce parody before he started hating Brady. Don't
• 1:48:12
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• 1:48:20
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• 1:48:22
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• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: play the hit, yeah or not? Let's see. Todd in
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: transition writes in um, well, I guess I found a
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: spot where the GM, the coach, and the owner agreed
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: Mac Jones is not it. While mister Craft said nice
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: things about Mac, he then said something along the lines
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: that we should get Lamar if that is the solution.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: He did not say that. He did not say that honestly.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: Which if you think that there is something left to
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: explore with Mac, or are you in agreement that it's
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: time to move on. I don't see any quarterbacks in
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: the draft that the Patriots would be able to target
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: another year of rebuilding way for the chance to get
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: a quarterback. You can't. I mean, that's unfortunately. I think
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: you're married doing for this year. I mean, if things
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: could go sidew with you guys on that you know
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: you spent a first round on him. He didn't give
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: him an opportunity last year to be successful. I mean,
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: you know, if even Paul agrees that you got to
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: have to give him another chance. But that being said,
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: I don't think that he's got the longest leash in
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: the world. Part of it is where you are picking.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: The last part of that email is what like I
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: would weigh all the options, and I don't think there's
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: a better option. If I think there's a better option
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: than just won't pay for it, well, who's the winner?
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: Doesn't say where he's from, but Nathan, Nathan and the
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: correct answer, Matt, I won't forget you by Poison. That's
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: a great song. Yeah, and all time it's all right, sorry,
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: all right, sorry I didn't get I missed Tuesday's metal.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: That's my niche right now is music hate Evan and
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: I could disagree because I think your your alternative was
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: Rogers lamar oh lamar. Okay, that's the um. I just
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: think that that's messy. That doesn't have to like they
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: could do everything you want them to do and still
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: not get there. But I disagree with the emailer that
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: if it's pretty clear that Bill is at least on
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: the fence about mac Jones at this point, and we're
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: we're kind of wasting time, that especially his time, Bill,
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: because he ain't getting any younger. But if if they
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: would take if if they're at fourteen, let's say that
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: they were nine, then I would sit there and say,
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: you're not You're on the fence. Like Evan just said,
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: you got to do something to move up and get
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: stroud or or young. Yeah, because you don't have time
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: for a project with like Levis or you know that
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: the one you really don't like, really don't like Will Dungares. No,
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: I like him, No, I like him more than you.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: Then Levis is what we'll get to that. Silburton, New York.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: Next week we'll start our draft podcasts. Uh next week, Hey,
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: then we'll start. We'll start off with quarterbacks. Okay, next week, great, Silburton,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: New York says getting Lamar should be a no brainer.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: Everyone is up in arms about the draft picks. Trade them.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: Bill has three number one picks, cold strange Mac Jones
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: to kill Harry. I'm trading those players for Lamar. Get Lamar,
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: pay him what he wants, and be relevant. Okay, Okay,
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: so now what happens. If Baltimore decides the match, then
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: then well then now you're stuck with Mac Jones who
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: knows that you will. Well, this is my point. Like,
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: I think that's a better alternative. We had a nice,
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: nice show on Tuesday without you dues, you know, throwing
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: cold water on our excitement for a guy who actually
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: has won an MVP in this league. Um, but I
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: just think it's it's messy. It's it's not as simple
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: as snap your fingers, bite the bullet and do it.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: Now you have to hope the other team doesn't match.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: And like I said, I think if they wanted to
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: trade him to you, I think they'd be calling you.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: But so I if the number one reason why you
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: don't do it is because you're gonna create a mess
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: if you don't get him, then I say do it,
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: because you've already created him. I'm not saying it, don't
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: do it. I'm saying just because you do it doesn't
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: mean you're gonna get it. No. I know you may
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: not get it, and that makes things that are bad worse.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: But I don't worry about you know, like if a
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: guy can eat the player we camp, That's what I mean.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: So like I'm not you know, like if you really
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: you sit down with Mac to listen, you're not Lamar Jackson. Plus,
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna judge all that we know that we didn't
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: get him. You're a quarterback. I'm gonna judge of Belichick.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna assume if they made an offer sheet for
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson clearly wanting to move on for Mac and
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: sign Lamar and it fell through, I'm completely convinced, based
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: on the previous twenty three years, that then Mac Jones
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: would turn out to be an all problem, right, because
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: that's what happens with Bill, Like, yeah, he tries to
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: do something different, it doesn't work. He has to fall
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: back on this plan and it ends up being the
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: better plan, and everybody tells him what a brilliant And
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: it's what we were thinking. Did you see how we motivated? Man?
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: That's that's when we're gonna get it. This whole like
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: a tough love act works, is that's going to a
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: genius move by Bill has never made him as well,
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: well what if it does? If it works, it's because
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: Mac Jones actually good at football not and Bill knew
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: that and he had to get the best out of him.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: You see, you see they yeah, you see what I
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: deal with? Uh, Mike writes in and I'm not sure
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: where he's getting this, but he says, I believe grow
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: made the picks last year, minus the strange pick. I think,
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: minus the biggest you just don't get the first round.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: I think you will see best the opposite of my
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: Bill can do no run, Bill could do no right.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: And I think you will see Bill picks in this
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: year's draft. In other words, he's trading down. I expect
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: the defensive end or tight end pick late first or
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: second round. Corners and tackles will grab later as usual.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: I don't like it, but I see it coming. I
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: don't like it either. I just what Evan's been saying, like,
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: you need guys that can play at premium positions, and
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: you don't get those guys by trading down. And to
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: tie it into Paul's point, they aren't the same guy.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: So you trade down to twenty, you might think that, oh,
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: I'm getting the same guy. But I just I had
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: a tough time unless it's unless it's a wow, that's
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: a slam dunk at twenty. Once you get there and
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: that makes sense and you know you're at a different
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: time now, you need you need really good players. That's
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: what lax on this team, and I'm with you now, yeah,
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: Like I feel like this draft, we always go back
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: to the van the Dante High Tower, Chandler Jones, perfect Weekend, right,
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: Like that's what we all but that type of drafty
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: they trade it up, right, I think twice twice. Like
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: that's the type of draft that I feel like they need.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: Now you got eleven picks, right, And that's a great
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: thing about him being here for so long and being
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: this the guy that's making all the decisions. There's evidence
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: of them doing pretty much everything right. So you can say, oh,
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: we wanted to trade up, and they did it in
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: two thousand and twelves, so they might do it again,
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: Like we can we can do that, you know whole
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: song I think, and I did this probably like two
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: years ago. Like he's made as many trades up as
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: he has down. The difference is more often than not
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: high in the draft down. Yeah, Like that's the outliers,
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: the Chandler Jones, Dante Hi Tower or even he went
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: down with Mayo when yeah, yeah, el from Wisconsin. A
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: few quick hits, he says. First, he says, Evans a
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: great addition. Don't always agree, but the passion's great. One
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: I think this is the team we're looking at it.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: I'd be shocked if there are any game changing additions
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: even through the draft. Two. If we went back to
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: twenty nineteen and tried to see the worst case scenario
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: for post Brady, what would you say, I think we're
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: pretty darn close to it. Well, I mean, come on,
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: do you I mean, do you know what a two
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: win season looks like. I mean, like I would say, like,
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: instead of Mac Jones, you drafted Zach Wilson. Yeah, that
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: would be worst, like the worst nightmare. But even with him,
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: because you wouldn't be a playoff team, you would have won,
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't have made the playoffs. I probably agree with
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: you there, but really, at the end of the day,
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't see a monumental difference, you know
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: what I mean? Like I did feel like if Zach Wilson,
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: this is a great show for me. I'm like, you
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: think Zach will someone would be as good as Mac Maybe,
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, I mean as good as
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: I could definitely make the argument that Zach Wilson would
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: be better if he was on the Patriots and he
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: was getting Zach Wilson was not good in college. Zach
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: Wilson has ever been good. I thought I thought he
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: was a tad overrated, but them and the skills are undeniable.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: But the skills and clearly he's a T shirt. Clearly
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: he is uh not like at the aptitude that you
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: need because he makes the same And here's a conspiracy
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: theory from l He says Bill is pissed that he
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: was forced to move on from Matt Patricia and he
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: doesn't get the players to make the offense better, and
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: then the offense still struggles, and he can sit back
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: and say, hey, it wasn't Matt's fault. That's that's that's
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: really cutting off your nose despite your face type of well,
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: and then he went next level, grad school level with
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna make three changes. They're really lateral moves. But
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: everybody's going to say, how much better the offenses? Like
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: he had a this guy and that guy and this guy, right,
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: so they can't say it wasn't trying for me, right
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: that The one thing that I would not criticize at
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: all is really the entirety or free agency, because I
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: just don't think this was a great free agent class.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: Well that's what I was gonna bring up to William
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: because that's what I thought he was getting at with.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: Like when he was coming at me, it was like, well,
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: like who did you want them to sign that? Like?
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: Are you like like Orlando Brown was like what? The
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: free agency is not the part that bothers me. The
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: part that bothers me is that we hear these reports
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: about Hopkins and Judy and Hopkins. I'm not like totally
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: sold on either, but you hear all these reports about
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: these guys and the response always is, well, the Patriots
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: are interested, but not at that price. And it frustrates
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: me too. At this point in time, you're not interested.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: I always right, that's the price. You gotta pay the price.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: A little bit like if Miami paid sent six draft
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: picks to Kansas City for Tyree Hill. Do you think
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: the Dolphins have any regrets whatsoever from making that trade? Well,
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: not not now, Evan, but you know when they're in
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: cap hell like in two years watched right, Yeah, all right,
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: that's gonna be it for this edition of Patriots and
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: Filtered Catch twenty two is oh yeah, Pete and Ottawa
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: brought us lunch today. Thank you very much, Pete, appreciate
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: that we're on TV today. Yeah, so Peteatawa brought us lunch,
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: so appreciate that. Thank Catch twenty two is coming up.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: A lot of emails we didn't get to, and if
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: Evan and Alex actually take a breath, maybe they'll read
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: a couple of us. So yeah, all right, thank you
• 1:58:31
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