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Gary Ridgway Part II: The Hunt to find a monster · When Killers Get Caught with Brittany Ransom

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  Testing testing haha, stupid everybody.
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  In serial killer country? My name is Brittany.
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  Ransom, my name is Brian Joyner and this is when Killers get
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  caught a podcast about deep, dives into the lives, and psyche
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  to the Killer's. We love to learn about each
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  week. Brian, I find a True Crime Story
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  that resonated with us. Then I'll discuss one,
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  well-known or lesser known killer.
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  Go deep into their childhood lives methodology.
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  And, most importantly, how they got caught.
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  Then we'll get a little spooky and learn something about the
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  Cryptid through the Supernatural.
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  And instead of talking about our patreon, what, you know, about
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  every week, I guess we should mention.
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  That I was on TV, she's hot, she's icky Last Friday Night on
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  20/20. I was consulted to discuss,
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  really more the way the internet, handled Brian laundry
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  and the guy who Tito case, hmm. It was a I did a three hour long
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  interview. Yeah.
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  I was in a lot. Roughly every 10 minutes, but it
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  was still significantly. Dated my portion of it.
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  But regardless is really great experience and hands down like
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  working with ABC, was quite possibly the most, like group of
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  professional people I've ever dealt with.
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  We gotta, we got a TV star over here.
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  Now, not only Tick-Tock star but a TV star, look at that.
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  But yeah. So this week we're going to make
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  it a little bit different. We're not going to do this
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  weekend. True Crime and instead I'm going
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  to jump right into part, two of the Gary Ridgway podcast.
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  And that's because I have a lot to talk about when someone has
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  49 victims, it's very difficult to talk about all of them as
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  they are unfolding and being found in the case, which I
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  wanted to do. Like I said last week, we talked
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  about the mask of Gary Ridgway. We learned about his bizarre
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  childhood, his obsession with prostitutes, his loves his
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  losses, his family and really how he managed to pretend to be
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  a regular person while slaughtering 49 confirmed
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  victims. But definitely, they think it's
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  closer to 80 between 1982 and honestly, originally, I said
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  between 1982 and 2001 but really the majority of these were
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  between 1982 and 1984 with Allah.
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  Alarming frequency. That's a lot.
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  Yeah. You said he was doing a lot when
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  his wife, no it was after he broke up with his second wife
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  while he was still dating other people.
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  Little confusing to me. Well, you'll find out that once
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  we get to the point where the FBI psychiatrist talked to him
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  at the end. But what we are going to talk
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  about though is the Forty Nine victims the path that the eight
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  Green River. Task commanders 75 task force
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  investigators. Is 10 evidence specialist, three
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  different medical examiner's, a prosecutor's 10, task force
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  Consultants 9 FBI special agents as well as the Des Moines.
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  Police Department, took hello police department, Kent Police
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  Department, Thurston County Sheriff's Department, Snohomish
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  County Sheriff's Department, Pierce County Sheriff's
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  Department to Coma Police Department, Spokane, Police
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  Department, Portland, Police Department, Multnomah County
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  sheriff's office, Washington County, Sheriff's Office.
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  He's Clackamas shares, can't office, San Diego, Sheriff's
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  Department, San Francisco Sheriff's Department, San
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  Francisco police department and Las Vegas, Police Department,
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  all dead to capture Gary Ridgway.
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  This was, I mean, this is something that included hundreds
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  upon hundreds of people. Yeah, oh my God, just to catch
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  this one guy. I also want to make a point
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  before we begin and Gary ridgway's, one of the worst
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  killers in US history, only second, Samuel little and even
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  though Is serving 49 consecutive life sentences.
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  This case is not closed. There are still roughly 30
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  women. They believe that he has
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  conveniently forgotten where the remains are still several Jane
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  Doe's, that the police force are still working on today so that
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  those families have some kind of closure.
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  And also, for anyone listening, here's your trigger warning.
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  We're going to be referencing sexual assault, necrophilia, I
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  tried not to go into too much gory detail, but some of it had
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  to be mentioned for the sake of the fact that Um, victims were
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  staged. So we will start with the first
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  victim, it's July 15th 1982, a group of children, actually
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  stumbled across the body of Wendy Coffield voting in
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  Seattle's Green River. She'd been strangled after
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  several days, no one came to identify her.
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  She was only 5 foot for about 140 pounds.
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  She was wearing on him jeans, a lace trimmed blue and white
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  shirt and white sneakers. The medical examiner was unsure
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  of her age. Thinking she was a little bit
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  older teen to a younger adult. And in the newspapers, they
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  originally listed her as 25 years old, which might have
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  explained by her family, didn't come forward, because they were
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  like, that's not our daughter. She was identified because she
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  had for rather dainty tattoos and then one biker gang tattoo
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  woohoo. When they release her tattoos to
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  the local newspaper. A tattoo artist said, oh no,
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  she's not an adult she's about 16 years old, I think.
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  She lives in pole up with her mother.
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  That's what I said last week and he was last week and I said if I
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  go missing Look for My Tattoos, good idea.
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  Like they put pictures in the artist was like, oh yeah.
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  No, I did that. Am I that yours will definitely
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  recognize. She was like, oh yeah, I
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  remember that guy. Well, Wendy Coffield his mother
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  Virginia was sad but not really all that surprised.
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  Her daughter run away from home and she was worried that her
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  daughter was working the streets and that she hadn't heard from
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  her because she was probably killed by a John Wendy's.
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  Mom said that she had been a pretty good girl and they done
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  the best they could, but when he dropped out of school after her
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  parents divorced, got in trouble with the law, she My often but
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  she usually came home. The papers showed Wendy's
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  picture over and over hoping anyone local would have any idea
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  where she'd been, or, who she'd been with when she died, they
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  withheld the worst details though which was that Wendy had
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  been choked with her own panties.
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  It was a very violent death but at the time it was only one.
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  Hmm. So no one thought much of it,
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  right, right. On August 12 1982 Debra.
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  Lynn Bonner was found about a quarter of a mile from where
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  Wendy had been found. She was nude and stuck in Nets
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  and logs in the water. She was in the system, so the
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  police were able to place her pretty quickly.
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  She was 22 years old, and she had been picked up for
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  prostitution in the past, on Pacific Highway South.
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  She'd been seen alive on July 25th, leaving the Three Bears
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  hotel, motel. She told her friends.
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  She was off to catch a couple dates, but she never came back
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  just like Wendy, Deborah. Dropped out of school, she had a
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  hard time finding work. She tried to join the Navy but
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  couldn't pass the. It's not just like a it's a
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  physical but it's also the mental exam.
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  Yeah. There's physical and mental exam
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  so she didn't pass. It's actually it's rough when
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  you learn that. Some of these people were really
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  struggling, but they were trying because Deborah was in the
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  process of like starting to study for her GED.
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  She was really trying to like turn around and start.
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  Ash, but you do bills are still coming.
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  Yeah. You have to do what you have to
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  do to survive. She actually had a thousand
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  dollar debt to Pierce County for being arrested there previously.
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  And she had been paying it off, like, $25 a week.
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  You almost paid it all God, she paid $225 by the time she died.
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  She still called her parents collect, like frequently.
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  She called her dad, just before she went missing, ask him about
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  an eye operation that she had and telling Him that she loved
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  him. Her friends knew that she was
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  hiding from a boyfriend / pimp. Who was a convicted killer
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  convinced that she owed him? Thousands of dollars?
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  He was, of course, the sensible option for the cops to focus on.
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  At this point, it would be another year before they even
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  thought about Gary Ridgway. So detective, Dave Richard
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  Reichert was put on the cases with Bob Vila Maria and they
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  looked into both of them as two separate murders that is until
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  August 15th. When three more bodies were
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  found a local man was rafting in the shallows of the Green River
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  looking for Treasure and came across Marcy Chapman who was 33?
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  She was floating in the shallow water.
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  Next to the naked body of 17, year-old Cynthia Hines, and not
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  far from them was opal Mills. She went missing when she was
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  1600, people had gotten stuck in some underbrush and her blue
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  pants were tied around her neck. She had bruises on her arms and
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  legs showing that she had fought back Wendy Coffield, and Deborah
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  Bonners. Murders, might not have mattered
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  a whole lot in the grand scheme of Seattle, but three in one
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  day. Yeah, absolutely.
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  In the same spot. Why in the same spot?
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  Well, this was an as this the dump site.
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  Yeah, he was coming back and just dropping them off there.
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  But come on a little further Downstream buddy.
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  Well, detective Dave called Major Crimes immediately.
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  Hey, and so that major dick kraske got the call on his pager
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  and he knew it was something bad.
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  Maybe because he never got calls on a Sunday.
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  Now, he had been involved with Ted Bundy.
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  Ted, Bundy's case, when they had discovered all Ted Bundy's dump
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  site out in Issaquah. So, his old boss was like, put
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  on your tie and your sport coat and meet me.
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  So major craft put on his tie and jacket and went out to the
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  Green River because he was like we got another one God.
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  Now before these three women were found the Bundy scene, had
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  been the worst thing that he had ever seen.
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  And unlike the first two which more kind of like lackluster
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  body dump site, these were hidden in like thick vegetation.
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  They were also all way down with large Wok.
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  Rock that have been placed on their chests and stomachs, the
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  placement was so precise that from the road you couldn't see
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  the bodies. So if that man had not been on
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  that raft, kind of just hanging An out.
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  Yeah, floating through the shallows.
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  They don't know when they would have found those three bodies.
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  This is so no disrespect to, you know, the victims.
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  But just, I just think of, like, floating out of Susquehanna and
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  he really liked in the river. And yeah, just of a sudden, you
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  see, like a naked body in the water.
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  It's like, holy crap. Crazy.
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  Yes, I'd be My mind, I don't write du Helder but he's, I
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  mean, I feel bad that the first people who found the first
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  victim were a group of children, how Woods it's terrible.
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  God asked for these three victims Marshall was identified.
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  First she was 31 at the time when she went missing, she was
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  doing as Tiny by her friends. She had three kids who were 11 9
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  & 3 years old. Whom she supported by escorting.
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  She left her apartment on August 1st 1982 and never come home
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  Cynthia. It was named next.
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  She was 17 years old and everyone called her cookie.
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  She also made a living on the street.
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  She worked the tea sack strip which is just where Marsha used
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  to hang out. Cynthia.
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  Also had a pimp who kept her safe and I say safe in quotation
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  marks because the problem with these pimps and is that once you
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  got in the car, you were alone. Yep.
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  He didn't follow them. Nothing, you didn't write down
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  the name of the driver. Ivers license.
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  Nothing bad pimps, actually told the police, he'd seen her August
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  11th 1982 that she had gotten into a black jeep.
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  He hadn't written down the license plate.
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  What do you mean security? How are you, taking a percentage
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  of my business? When I'm doing all the work?
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  Are you helping me or nothing? That's terrible.
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  Terrible management. Well, they learn the identity of
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  opal because they had drawn a picture of her, as if she were
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  alive and put her in the newspaper, Opals family was
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  devastated. She had a mother father and
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  brother who all cared for her a lot, they lived on the East Hill
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  outside of Kent Washington Opals.
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  Mom told the police that they had last seen her on August
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  12th. The same day, the police were
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  finding Deborah Bonners body. She'd left to go to Ooh, work
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  and she'd caught her parents at three PM from a phone booth and
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  Angle Lake State Park telling her mom that she had.
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  Gotten a job painting houses with her new friend cookie the
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  other victim and he, they both get picked up at the same time,
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  not see? We're not sure.
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  So Both Cynthia and Marcia had a history of sex work but opal did
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  not. Like sometimes she would go like
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  stay at her friend's house for a day and then she'd come home.
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  But that was the longest she'd even been away from her parents
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  house. None of her friends were like
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  they're like absolutely not she would not have been doing and
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  you probably saw her hanging around that right?
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  And he's not her with Cynthia at one point and is since he knew
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  that Cynthia was working the strip.
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  You obviously opal must be to, obviously because you can't have
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  like regular friends that you don't work.
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  Well then I'd have been murdered by the Green River Killer
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  because I got a lot of friends who have done sex work.
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  Unfortunately, in the queer Community, a lot of people get
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  kicked out of their homes and this is what they end up doing
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  is so I have a lot of friends who ended up doing that as a
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  survival technique when they were fairly young as well.
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  That's one thing that's going to be pretty consistent with these
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  victims. Has a lot of them are roughly 15
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  to 18 years old, which is absolutely heartbreaking.
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  But another issue we have here is that Ridgeway assumed that
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  like, almost every woman was trash.
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  So, that's right. You didn't have that heat,
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  right? Yeah.
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  He hated women like, for real. So, Who's like, right?
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  You right. You were right.
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  He might have seen her with Cynthia Hines and thought, Oh,
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  look, she's hanging out with her whole friends, but he also could
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  have just been like, I don't care.
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  I'm picking up this girl randomly, so who knows what
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  really happened. The police tried their best to
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  keep like the worst details out of the press.
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  The whisperings of a serial killer in Kent, killing
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  prostitutes. Was already happening.
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  I mean, got five bodies. So yeah, And as these stories go
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  it's kind of I don't want to say fun but it's you look at other
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  people who are going through something awful, and you don't
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  think it can happen to you. And the prevailing thought in
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  all of the papers at the time was if you're not a prostitute
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  thing, you're safe. But we already see, that's not
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  true because one of the five was not.
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  Yeah. So all you had to do was be in
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  the wrong place at the wrong time and Ridgeway would kill
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  you. Now, on the day after the three
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  bodies were, found it crashed began putting together the Green
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  River task force wasted. No time in the past.
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  You and I have mocked police forces for waiting too long or
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  going too slow, but that did not happen here.
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  The initial task force had 25 investigators from King County,
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  Seattle Tacoma and can't police offices kraske and his men had
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  no idea what they were about to deal with.
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  But they had no idea. This was a killing team, a solo
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  killer because recently there had been a tool and so that was
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  a Duo even though that was a weird sort of Duo.
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  But one thing that they did know though was that the killer was
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  definitely some kind of smart and willing to adapt his methods
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  in order to stay hidden because the first two were found
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  floating down the river and He adjusted his kill method very
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  quickly, his dump method, right? So hiding them in like trying to
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  pressure them down to the water. Yeah.
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  Got you got smarter in terms of his forensic countermeasures,
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  right? They also realized that he was
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  going to have to find another dump site now, which but they
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  were going to be working completely in the dark.
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  Now, one of the details, they did manage to keep out of the
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  press, was that All three who had been found and the most
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  recent dumb site had rocks that were wedged inside of them.
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  So tightly, they had to be surgically removed.
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  This was the kind of thing that knew that this crime had a
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  sexual element to it, they couldn't tell if the women had
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  been raped like the first two victims had but one thing you
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  learn when you look into lust killers and things of that
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  nature is that sometimes when a killer cannot perform, you have
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  that kind of a response, right? He might have done this after he
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  killed them in a moment of anger.
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  And also to prove that he still had some kind of virility hence,
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  why the the phallic symbol phallic item was placed inside
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  the women, okay? Okay.
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  But they all had been strangled. The rest of August went by no
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  more bodies being found the city.
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  Calm down a little bit and people stop being anxious.
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  The girls on the street started going back out alone again, the
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  task force decided to use this time.
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  When there was kind of a lull in the active people joining the,
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  or the active crimes happening to begin, looking into missing
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  women, dating back to 1981 and 1982 and trying to see if they
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  had gone missing anywhere near where these three women were
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  found. The next woman who was found was
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  Giselle love worn on September 25th when a biker was in the
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  woods and smelled her remains, hmm.
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  She was found nude except for men's socks, that have been tied
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  around her neck. She gone missing on July 17th.
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  Just after her 17th birthday, she was only in Seattle because
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  her boyfriend had convinced her to leave California with him.
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  She'd actually decided to go back home and be with her
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  family, but she ended up going back to their place to get her
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  stuff and he convinced her to stay.
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  Of course. She ended up choosing to work
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  the strip in order to make some money since she hadn't finished
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  high school either, despite the fact that she had 145 IQ really,
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  wow? It's believed that she probably
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  hadn't been paying too much to the news, or You to, you know,
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  realize what was going on. She wasn't from the area.
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  Her boyfriend leader told the press that he tried to report
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  her missing but the police ignored him but he was actually
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  wrong, they did add her to the missing women from for the Green
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  River case, hmm. Giselle was the first victim to
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  show that Ridgeway had changed his dump site.
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  And he had escalated from just strangulation to necrophilia
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  Which we know from last week was something that he was going to
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  start struggling with because that was the part that he found
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  to be the most revolting, which is so interesting because we'll
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  find like later on when he ends up finally talking to the FBI
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  psychiatrist. There's so many things that he
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  admits to that are very foul words.
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  I didn't even know existed. Oh, new vocabulary vocabulary.
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  Yay. Thing that made him go.
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  You know what I'm crossing the line here having sex with bodies
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  that I murdered already just wow.
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  Yeah, I don't get that. Just no.
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  Well by the time, Giselle was fat in September.
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  The task force had interviewed over. 300 people.
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  They had made a request to the behavior science unit of the FBI
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  for a consult, the only two that could be linked together where
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  opal and Cynthia, who had gone to the same high school
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  together. And also were friendly Deborah,
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  and Cynthia had gone to the same bar and Tacoma, but no one had
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  ever seen them together in the bar or speak.
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  So, they just happen to be at that bar near each other, right?
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  Dick cross came up with the first profile.
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  He said he thought they were looking for someone who lived in
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  Pierce or Kings County was familiar.
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  With the Green River. The dump site was not a common
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  In stopping point for many Travelers at this point, the
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  case was only known in Washington and Oregon.
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  The task force moved to a central location at the King
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  County Courthouse which was it in super old building with
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  marble hallways in a really shaky Foundation like
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  legitimately they were told if there's an earthquake, this
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  building might fall, we're going to put you in that one.
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  Okay. Major Crimes field, one big room
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  and then the smaller rooms had like random offices for
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  Narcotics and other things. The Green River task force met
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  In the same room where the Ted Bundy task force met in the 70s.
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  It was a small now room up the back steps of 41A they were maps
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  and charts of all of the dump sites on the walls.
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  The phones, pretty much rang all day and all night woman by the
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  name of fa Brooks who delightful cool lady.
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  We'll hear more about her leader because she was probably one of
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  the few cups. He was very media savvy.
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  So she ended up doing a lot of the public interviews, okay?
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  In terms of talking about the Green River Killer, but both say
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  Brooks and Dave Reichert took, most of those calls Faye Brooks
• 22:38
  had kind of cut her teeth in the sex crimes division.
• 22:41
  So she absolutely was needed on this case because she had the
• 22:44
  background of understanding sex criminals.
• 22:49
  In late January of 1983. Now, six weeks into the
• 22:52
  investigation. A man was laying water pipes
• 22:57
  found a shallow grave about 100 yards from Northgate hospital.
• 23:01
  He discovered the skull and immediately called the police,
• 23:04
  the skull and its bones. Belong to Linda Gene, rule,
• 23:07
  who'd been missing, since September of 1980 to, she had no
• 23:11
  soft tissue left. So they couldn't tell how she
• 23:13
  died. And she had to be confirmed by
• 23:15
  her dental records, but they already had her missing report.
• 23:18
  Art in the file, right? She was someone listed as
• 23:21
  potentially missing based on her lifestyle being in that she was
• 23:26
  a prostitute. She was 16 years old when she
• 23:29
  was last seen leaving. Her motel room walking to the
• 23:32
  Northgate Mall. That was really all they had to
• 23:36
  go on so Sergeant Bob Holter and Captain Mike's last men of
• 23:41
  Seattle homicide were quoted as saying technically, we're not
• 23:45
  calling this a murder, we don't have enough to go on for that,
• 23:49
  but the results are the same. She is dead and we don't know
• 23:52
  why. What would be confirmed as a
• 23:58
  Ridgway victim, right? When he eventually took them to
• 24:02
  all the sites. But this happens in 2002, I'm
• 24:07
  just saying, you're finally like a skeletal remains buried in a
• 24:12
  shallow, grave somewhere in the woods.
• 24:14
  True true, what makes it not a murder?
• 24:18
  What makes you think? It's not a murder?
• 24:20
  Well, I mean, the evidence I guess evident, right.
• 24:24
  There's no evidence they had because the problem is Ridgeway
• 24:27
  wasn't interesting enough. Since I brought up Gabi booty,
• 24:30
  do damage with Tito had signs of a strangulation, right?
• 24:33
  Yeah. Which means there could have
• 24:34
  been broken bones in her neck. That was not what they found
• 24:38
  here of these victims. But they were all strangled,
• 24:41
  they were strangled but they were not strangled to the point
• 24:44
  of breaking like the hyoid, right?
• 24:47
  So it was just enough to probably knock them out or
• 24:53
  Right. Cuz the Gabby's Gabby's was more
• 24:56
  of a passion. Christ passion.
• 24:59
  Another thing is that sometimes Gary would put his arm around
• 25:04
  them. Yeah.
• 25:05
  You don't have. Yeah.
• 25:06
  You don't have your and that's not the same as putting your
• 25:09
  hands and that crushing pressure.
• 25:11
  Absolutely, yeah. Also the same thing is ligature
• 25:15
  marks or things of that nature. Well, we don't finally ligature
• 25:17
  marks because these are just skeletal bone, right?
• 25:19
  White? This the tissues gone.
• 25:21
  I'm just saying if I find something Skeleton in the woods.
• 25:26
  Your like this is obviously a murder.
• 25:27
  Somebody murdered this person. With each murder, they got more
• 25:33
  suspects and they had to be interviewed and cross off the
• 25:36
  list. One of those suspects was Gary
• 25:38
  Ridgway. See, in the spring of 1983
• 25:43
  Marine Mammal VAR. She was 18, got into an old
• 25:45
  pickup truck with a dark-haired man and his 30s or 40s.
• 25:49
  Marie's boyfriend had seen it and he also reported her missing
• 25:53
  on April 30th. 1883, they went to ridgeway's home and
• 25:57
  questioned him about her. And one of the, like, really
• 26:00
  annoying details with this interview that they did here,
• 26:03
  was that one of the previous victims I told you.
• 26:07
  She had fought back opal. Had bruises, right?
• 26:10
  She So scratch the absolute crap out of him.
• 26:14
  And he one of his arms was jacked up and so when the police
• 26:17
  came to talk to him, he had two very like methodically lean on a
• 26:23
  fence to make sure that they didn't see that everything was
• 26:28
  that that he had gotten like severely scratched, he got in a
• 26:31
  fight, what happened to, you know, play with the cat or
• 26:33
  something, huh, right, yeah. So you specifically, like, made
• 26:35
  sure that when they, they walked up to the house, he was leaning
• 26:39
  against the fence so that they couldn't see.
• 26:41
  His arm. He knew what he knew.
• 26:44
  What was up? Now the next set of remains were
• 26:48
  found kind of painfully on Mother's Day May 8th 1983 by a
• 26:54
  family hunting, for wild mushrooms.
• 26:57
  She was found a distance from the strip but to the task force,
• 27:01
  this felt like the Green River. Killer her name was Carol and
• 27:04
  Christiansen. She was 22 the single mother of
• 27:07
  a five-year-old daughter and she gun missing five days.
• 27:10
  Prior she was really excited because she just found a job
• 27:14
  after a really long time searching.
• 27:16
  She lived near the pack Highway and she would frequently walk
• 27:20
  walk it on foot because she didn't have a car.
• 27:23
  She was a waitress at the bar during Tavern, which was very
• 27:25
  close to white shutters. And if you remember from last
• 27:28
  week, that was the bar that Gary Ridgway used to go to for his
• 27:32
  parents Without Partners event. Yeah, that's the same bar.
• 27:37
  He met his third wife, Judith in Carol lived three blocks away.
• 27:44
  The police were sure. She was a victim of the Green
• 27:46
  River Killer, because her remains had a very strange Rich
• 27:50
  ritualistic take She had not been raped before she died.
• 27:55
  She had been strangled, a brown plastic bag was over her head.
• 27:59
  She was sitting half up with her hands across her stomach.
• 28:02
  Her body had been dumped in water and she had been re closed
• 28:06
  but backwards like one of her shoes on the wrong feet and the
• 28:09
  other one was just gone. There were two cleaned fish left
• 28:14
  on her chest as well as raw sausage like left on her leg
• 28:20
  stomach, they I found a wine bottle in her hand and just like
• 28:26
  the three women in the water, a stone have been placed inside of
• 28:30
  her. And that was the thing that made
• 28:33
  it seem like it was a Green River killing.
• 28:36
  Yeah. That's what was almost like he.
• 28:38
  A ritual asleep. Put her in water because he
• 28:40
  couldn't take her back to the real.
• 28:42
  Yeah I kind of got that you get the fish and he put her in like
• 28:45
  a puddle or something. I thought the fish thing was
• 28:51
  Kind of like a weird play on the Eucharist and we know that Gary
• 28:56
  Ridgway did go through a time period where he was like
• 28:59
  obsessive with Christianity. The real country though was the
• 29:03
  stone. Yeah.
• 29:05
  That would have been. He was unable to rape her
• 29:07
  because of his own physical image issues and for all we know
• 29:12
  he might have come back and maybe the stone was there to
• 29:15
  protect her. He later told.
• 29:19
  Investigators that she was special.
• 29:23
  That's why he had done so much extra with the sausage and the
• 29:28
  fish and don't ya model? Yeah.
• 29:32
  Both Carol and her daughter, Sarah were members of the
• 29:34
  Blackfoot tribe of Browning Montana and her parents lived
• 29:37
  and Hokum Idaho. So at least Sarah wasn't alone
• 29:41
  after her mom died. Now, while it's rare that serial
• 29:45
  killers and for the record, we are definitely at this point in
• 29:49
  Seattle, referring to him as a serial killer while it's where
• 29:52
  they kill people. They know personally, it's not
• 29:54
  impossible because we've talked about this before with The
• 29:59
  compulsion or the impulse to murder being so strong that
• 30:03
  sometimes you take rest. Yeah.
• 30:06
  So even though she was a waitress, At the bar that he
• 30:10
  frequent admitted, it's thoroughly plausible that he
• 30:15
  might have picked her up because he just needed to kill someone.
• 30:19
  That itch and Carol Ann was easy.
• 30:24
  Pickings because she walked right by every day, The King
• 30:28
  County investigators kept Carol's case, under the Green
• 30:31
  River Killer cuz it was in his hunting grounds and they had
• 30:35
  triangulated a general area based on the dump sites that
• 30:38
  they knew. and, Another weird details.
• 30:43
  That Carol is the only person Ridgeway would go on to Stage.
• 30:49
  So, whatever point he thought he was making that day.
• 30:52
  Well, really never know. But this did tell the task force
• 30:57
  one detail. They knew this man was not
• 31:00
  mentally ill. And anyway, it was all to
• 31:02
  thought out to be the work of someone who was truly crazy.
• 31:09
  The next victim was found 13 months after the first murder,
• 31:12
  her name was Sean D'Elia, Summers, she been missing since
• 31:15
  October 7th 1982, her family had been looking for her pretty
• 31:19
  non-stop for 10 months. And also when I keep saying
• 31:23
  SeaTac that Seattle-Tacoma I'm sorry I'm using the so the
• 31:28
  Sea-Tac Airport she was found near an airport flight path.
• 31:33
  Two days after that, another set of remains were found nearby
• 31:36
  both Shonda and the other woman were so badly decomposed that
• 31:41
  they couldn't do a base. Identification Shauna was
• 31:44
  identified by dental records, but they still don't know the
• 31:49
  identity of the other one. Wow.
• 31:54
  Goodness. Gil and Matthews was found
• 31:58
  September 18th, 1953 missing since April, she's 24 years old,
• 32:04
  and just like many of ridgeway's victims, she was down on her
• 32:08
  luck and just trying to survive Gil's, boyfriend, reported her
• 32:11
  missing. And by the time she was found,
• 32:13
  he was in prison and he felt so bad that he even agreed to be
• 32:17
  hypnotized to remember the last time he saw her and he told them
• 32:22
  that she got into a truck. He actually said that at some
• 32:27
  point he saw her drive by and he had waved at her and she looked
• 32:31
  strangely at him and he wasn't sure why she hadn't waved back.
• 32:36
  Hmm. And it was more than likely
• 32:38
  because at that point, she was being threatened.
• 32:43
  In October, they found three more victims, 1st, October 15th,
• 32:47
  Yvonne and Tosh 19 found just off of Highway 18 near I-94
• 32:52
  thing. Since May 31st a week later they
• 32:55
  found constant. No constants known 20 years old
• 33:00
  missing since October 27th, found near South 192nd Street.
• 33:06
  Sorry she was found on October 27th, missing since June 8th.
• 33:11
  Okay. Then they found Kelly Marie
• 33:13
  where she was 22 and she was near constance's body.
• 33:17
  In fact, the police continued to search that area because they
• 33:20
  were like this seems like a dump site and so they found Mary
• 33:23
  Brigid me hen. She was 18 years old when she
• 33:25
  went missing that was they found her on November 13th that?
• 33:29
  This was official. This was another dump site.
• 33:31
  Yeah this was another place that they had to keep looking
• 33:33
  through. Did Christ was burned by this
• 33:38
  new crop of bodies, and he decided they were going to cover
• 33:40
  more land interview, more witnesses, talked to every
• 33:43
  missing girl in the area and their family.
• 33:45
  And anybody, they'd come into contact with this, of course,
• 33:48
  create a massive database, which often led to nowhere, but if
• 33:52
  there was even the tiniest chance they could get something
• 33:55
  to go on, he wanted it so far. The only good thing that really
• 33:59
  come. From this case was that the
• 34:01
  working girls in Seattle were less afraid of the cops.
• 34:04
  And now Like they were sort of allies, right?
• 34:08
  And so if like they met a weird guy or somebody like rough them
• 34:11
  up, they would call the police and be like, yo, I just came
• 34:15
  from this guy's house and he has like a bunch of knives, just
• 34:18
  letting you know. Hey, just because a guy has a
• 34:25
  lot of knives with sword. Does that make him?
• 34:29
  I'm not making a dig at you. That's actually one of the calls
• 34:33
  that's reference but now this created a weird sort of
• 34:43
  cooperation between the Seattle PD and and sex workers, it
• 34:48
  actually crossed people's mind that since this next crop was
• 34:51
  one of the the dumpsites was near an airport.
• 34:54
  They were like do you think he's like a frequent flyer?
• 34:57
  Hmm, like maybe, that's why we're finding them.
• 34:59
  Sporadically. So and the Sea-Tac Airport is
• 35:03
  right in the middle of the, the hunting grounds.
• 35:05
  So kraske reached out to every major airport across the United
• 35:10
  States and the police precincts near them and said, hey are you
• 35:15
  having a series of women go missing around this area?
• 35:20
  And when all those police responded, no, they were like
• 35:24
  okay but he has to be local. With the fall and the winter on
• 35:29
  the horizon, they were expecting it to be less women would be on
• 35:33
  the Strip. So therefore less at risk just
• 35:36
  before Christmas Kimmy Chi, Pitzer was found December 15th
• 35:40
  she'd been missing since April 17th at Timmy went missing the
• 35:44
  same day another girl named Sandy also meant missing, they
• 35:46
  were both dark-haired 16 year olds.
• 35:49
  Very sweet and kind had hit a defiant rebellious stage in
• 35:53
  their life. Kimmy did have a boyfriend /
• 35:58
  pimp, this one was at least able to give them more information
• 36:02
  about the car. They said it was a pickup truck,
• 36:04
  it was old green and had a camper attached on the back and
• 36:08
  there was primer paint on the passenger door.
• 36:11
  Nice, they printed this description and all the local
• 36:14
  papers, but there are a lot of old trucks with campers on them
• 36:19
  because we're literally in the middle of the Wilderness.
• 36:21
  Yeah, okay. He's back then it was the
• 36:23
  Wilderness. It's a lot more built up now.
• 36:26
  In two years, they found 15 bodies and they were any closer
• 36:29
  to figuring it out. There were a couple promising
• 36:32
  leads ahead and pound out like Melvin Foster.
• 36:34
  The 63 year old cabbie who got himself put on the suspect list
• 36:38
  when he walked in and Major Crimes and told them that he had
• 36:40
  information about all the women eventually, he voluntarily gave
• 36:45
  a DNA sample and there was no match, so they moved on Mac
• 36:49
  stack. Lee was the guy who was the
• 36:51
  convicted killer, who dated Deborah Bronner?
• 36:54
  He also was exonerated through DNA evidence.
• 36:57
  John Norris Hanks was a serious Contender as a convicted rapist
• 37:00
  and murderer, but it was determined that he had actually
• 37:04
  been murdering people in San Francisco.
• 37:06
  Oh, not in Seattle. Art is our mistakes are mistakes
• 37:11
  in France, let's go well. So he ended up getting arrested
• 37:16
  for those murders in the September of 1980 to which met
• 37:19
  he was not free during the time when a bulk of these women were
• 37:23
  found, right? In the dead of winter, they find
• 37:25
  nobody's the women were still continuing to go missing from
• 37:28
  the area. So the task force spent the
• 37:31
  winter working for the work of the nose. 300 leads just before
• 37:35
  the new year. Frank Adamson Takes Over The
• 37:38
  Green, River task force. There was a rumor that the Green
• 37:43
  River Killer could be a cop. And Frank was the former head of
• 37:48
  the internal investigations unit and he'd managed to be the
• 37:51
  leader of internal affairs pretty much and still have
• 37:55
  friends in the police force which meant he was doing pretty
• 37:58
  good. Good job guy.
• 38:02
  Also crass kid been on this depressing case for two years
• 38:05
  now, new eyes, new enthusiasm, wait about four new connections.
• 38:10
  Like, I need a break vacation. There were 40 detectives as part
• 38:15
  of the task force now and they moved them out of that crappy
• 38:18
  small Courthouse room into the Burien Precinct area, which was
• 38:22
  closer to The Hot Zone for the murderers.
• 38:24
  The state also started pumping a lot more money into the task
• 38:27
  force that had given kraske. Most of the original detectives
• 38:31
  on the case were pulled Add back and given a chance to rest.
• 38:34
  Except for Dave, Reichert Bob, lemuria Ben Caldwell, roubaix
• 38:39
  ladach, and Faye, Brooks who all were like, now we're staying
• 38:46
  Frank. Adamson said that he thought
• 38:48
  within six months they'd have the killer.
• 38:50
  Hmm. He even admits in an rules Green
• 38:55
  River, Running Red Book. In hindsight we probably should
• 39:00
  have caught him. But we'll talk more about that
• 39:03
  later. The first of 1984 victims was
• 39:10
  found February 14th. Her name was dilys Pledger.
• 39:14
  She was 22 and she had gone missing in October.
• 39:17
  She was known as Missy by her friends and Missy.
• 39:19
  Have been living with someone while, trying to find a new
• 39:23
  place to live. She had two children, and a life
• 39:26
  full of struggle. Like so many of the people
• 39:28
  you're going to hear about today.
• 39:30
  Both she and her twin brother had been removed from their
• 39:32
  mothers care when they were five putting different foster homes,
• 39:35
  Missy very openly grieve, the loss of her family, and she
• 39:39
  actually looked for her brother until her death.
• 39:42
  Miss. He didn't really want to work
• 39:44
  the streets. She tried to stay with a couple
• 39:46
  of her male friends while she was transient and all of them.
• 39:50
  Had tried to groom her into like a set.
• 39:54
  It's really interesting and I can't say that I haven't seen
• 39:57
  this happen in real life but it'd be, it'll be wild.
• 40:00
  People will find out like that, they're dating.
• 40:03
  Someone who does sex work and all of a sudden now you got
• 40:06
  ideas. Yeah, I had a physician job.
• 40:10
  I literally, I literally had it happen with a friend and I was
• 40:13
  just like she has been out here doing this for you.
• 40:17
  What do you think you can do? Yeah, you know nothing about
• 40:20
  this industry who have no idea. Oh my God but out here making
• 40:25
  videos, doing all sorts my think I can you know, make sorry if
• 40:30
  you don't shut the whole hell up.
• 40:32
  How about you start your own business?
• 40:33
  What yourself sir, it didn't go that way.
• 40:35
  But that was what's happening here, they're like, oh, you
• 40:37
  know, you're thinking about doing, you know, Street.
• 40:40
  I work I can help you girl. No, that's okay.
• 40:42
  I'm good on my own. I do bad about myself.
• 40:45
  Well, she tried to avoid it for as long as she could.
• 40:49
  And so she had no other options left and of course, we know that
• 40:53
  she ended up in one of ridgeway's vehicles.
• 40:55
  Yeah. As the frost melted, they found
• 41:00
  five more women at a new dump site in March.
• 41:04
  Lise Yates 19 had gone missing just before Christmas on
• 41:07
  December 23rd. She was found March 13th. 1984,
• 41:12
  her skeletal remains were found near exit. 38 off of I90.
• 41:16
  This was a whole different location, so they weren't sure.
• 41:18
  Originally, it was the Green River Killer.
• 41:21
  It was east of Seattle on the way to the Snoqualmie Pass. and,
• 41:28
  This made them wander. Could he be a trucker?
• 41:32
  Hmm. Since those are one of the
• 41:34
  number comment, uh, serial killer?
• 41:37
  Yep. Jobs, they found Wendy Stevens.
• 41:40
  On March 21st. She was one of the youngest
• 41:43
  victims. She was only 14 years old.
• 41:46
  She actually also, I don't believe she was a sex worker
• 41:50
  either. She was run away from Denver.
• 41:53
  She was found near the Seatac Airport as Addison and his men
• 41:57
  went back and looked at Old dump sites.
• 42:00
  She was actually the one who remained unnamed and we talked
• 42:03
  about her earlier this year. Her parents took a DNA test and
• 42:08
  2019 specifically to see if their daughter was dead.
• 42:12
  And if her DNA was logged in any systems in the United States,
• 42:16
  they then paid for that to be matched further.
• 42:18
  And in September of 2020, they got an answer and it was
• 42:22
  released in January of 2021 when you and I talked about it, the
• 42:27
  next one was found one day later, March 22nd 1984, Her name
• 42:30
  is Sheryl. Lee Williams, she was 18.
• 42:32
  When she went missing, in May of 83, she was found near a ball
• 42:36
  field. Not far from the Sea-Tac
• 42:38
  Airport. She was a waitress and arrest in
• 42:41
  a restaurant. Downtown Seattle described by
• 42:44
  her boss as quiet conservative and conscientious.
• 42:48
  Her put her pet, her mother told the police that she had some
• 42:51
  issues with drug use in the past, but that she'd never been
• 42:54
  involved in prostitution. Then on March, 31st 1984, they
• 42:59
  found two more bodies to loras Williams had been 17 missing
• 43:03
  since March of 83 and Debbie Abernathy, 26 missing since
• 43:08
  September 5th of 1983. Delores was found at the Star
• 43:12
  Lake dumping site, and Debbie was found near the logging a
• 43:15
  Logging Road off of Highway 410. So, all five of these were found
• 43:21
  at previous dump sites that were already discussed so far.
• 43:24
  And that's only because part of the task worth methodology was
• 43:27
  continuously combing, the area to see if he was going to
• 43:31
  continue dumping in the same locations.
• 43:33
  But they're still finding old body is once a year, these are
• 43:36
  older bodies. So, yeah, they're still fighting
• 43:38
  people who went missing in 82 and 83 So he definitely got.
• 43:43
  He was hiding those pretty well. They're just finally little
• 43:45
  missing like little little Pebbles, welcome.
• 43:48
  One of the weird details with AB Debbie Abernathy was that a man
• 43:54
  was later walking down, the highway highway 18.
• 43:57
  He found her driver's license. She was from Waco, Texas and
• 44:01
  turned it in. So then they went back to that
• 44:03
  area of a separate was a separate Highway, and they found
• 44:06
  her son's birth certificate. And so, for some reason as he's
• 44:10
  driving, Away from the crime. He takes her like stuff and
• 44:16
  throws it into the wind. The guy or Ridgeway.
• 44:20
  What have? And the question is, why?
• 44:23
  Yeah? Why this one weird that that's
• 44:26
  him saying like, hey come find her because you all suck or is
• 44:31
  this just his way of trying to get rid of the stuff?
• 44:33
  No, he's probably leaving bread crumbs, if you wanted to get rid
• 44:36
  of him, he would have liked burn it or accept it or something.
• 44:39
  He was leaving bread crumbs from them with follow, And like March
• 44:43
  31st, there's no time to breathe because April 1st, brings two
• 44:46
  more bodies. Terry.
• 44:47
  Renee Milligan 16, missing since August 29th of 1982 Sandra Kate,
• 44:52
  Gabbert 17, missing since April 17th 1983.
• 44:57
  Terry had been working the street when she went missing her
• 44:59
  boyfriend, reported her missing and then he disappeared the
• 45:03
  motel manager where the to have been living said that he'd seen
• 45:06
  Terry arguing with another girl, just like everybody else on this
• 45:09
  list. Terry was a bright girl, good
• 45:11
  student. She had a baby in middle school
• 45:14
  and that's why she had dropped out of school to take care of
• 45:16
  her. Baby Sandra had also dropped out
• 45:19
  of school and Sandra's mother had discovered her working the
• 45:23
  streets. And her mom was like, listen,
• 45:25
  you could get yourself killed doing This but Sondra was
• 45:28
  confident that she was better than those other girls.
• 45:31
  Both of them were found near the Star Lake dump site.
• 45:38
  We're not done yet though. April 2nd, my aunt Smith found
• 45:41
  also near Star Lake. She'd been missing since March
• 45:45
  3rd 1983, she was from Walla Walla Washington and she was
• 45:49
  seen in front of this hotel. So it was a red lion.
• 45:53
  You know, those Hotel. Yeah, it was directly across
• 45:55
  from the airport and apparently even though this was considered
• 45:58
  to be like a nice hotel in the area there, definitely were
• 46:01
  always women at the bus stop in front of the Red Lion.
• 46:06
  Who were, you know, what was it, like a picked up?
• 46:09
  Yes, nice hotel. What This hotel and itself is
• 46:14
  linked in to well, over a dozen of the murder victim.
• 46:18
  Oh God. One of her friends.
• 46:20
  Reported that they saw her get into a dark pickup truck with a
• 46:23
  white guy. Never saw her again.
• 46:27
  April March is on April 20th. They find him.
• 46:29
  Murray Thompson. She was 21 been missing since
• 46:32
  July 25th 1983 her skeletal remains were found under a green
• 46:36
  trash bag, along with the bones of animals near Highway 18 in a
• 46:40
  very remote location. Now, hers was an interesting one
• 46:45
  because she was found by a psychic named Barbara.
• 46:48
  Kubik Patton. Who truly believe that she was
• 46:51
  speaking with a deceased who were telling her where the
• 46:54
  bodies were found, she was super upset that too.
• 46:56
  Task force wasn't listening to her.
• 46:58
  She even tracked down and Rule and like interrupted.
• 47:02
  And while she was having dinner And and was just like, listen,
• 47:06
  you're going to have to find a body to make these suggestions,
• 47:08
  listen to you because nobody agreed with her.
• 47:11
  And so she started showing up a dump sites. and when she found,
• 47:21
  She found Amina Agra Schiff who was on the missing list but was
• 47:24
  ultimately not one of the Green River Killer victims and then
• 47:29
  she found Tina Thompson. They ended up giving her a
• 47:32
  polygraph tests just to make sure she wasn't involved.
• 47:36
  You sure you didn't do any of this.
• 47:39
  So we're only in May of 84 and we've already found 10 women,
• 47:45
  which is more than the previous year.
• 47:50
  They Brooks. At this point, had to step up
• 47:54
  and become the media Maven that she was because she was the only
• 47:57
  person who really had a lot of like, media training at that
• 48:00
  point. So they looked at their previous
• 48:05
  list of suspects and they kept coming back to Gary Ridgway
• 48:09
  their Muslim much evidence though.
• 48:11
  Although he had been arrested for trying to pick up a police
• 48:13
  officer and they had interviewed him about that missing girl,
• 48:16
  he'd been seen with, they didn't have any physical evidence to
• 48:19
  say that, this like skinny guy was anything other than a creep,
• 48:22
  but they want to talk to him again.
• 48:23
  So in May of 1984, they brought him in and questioned him
• 48:26
  because it was all they could do at the time.
• 48:28
  He of course, denied any involvement, and even agreed to
• 48:31
  a polygraph test. Now unfortunately, we know, The
• 48:34
  parameters of machine are off and had it been calibrated
• 48:36
  correctly, he would have failed. But they went with the
• 48:41
  information they had at the time, damn it.
• 48:43
  And they had to move on to other potential Killers.
• 48:46
  For the time being though, Gary was just a creep and they were
• 48:48
  going to keep an eye out for him.
• 48:49
  If his name came up again, at the end of May on the 26th, they
• 48:54
  found the remains of the 26th, Green River victim.
• 48:58
  How poetic Colleen Brockman, she'd been missing since
• 49:01
  Christmas Eve 1982. It is believed that Colleen was
• 49:05
  the last of the Washington State victims.
• 49:07
  She was only 15 years old when she went missing and she it away
• 49:10
  from home. The reason why there's confusion
• 49:12
  here is because at some point, Gary went back and moved the
• 49:16
  bones around, they found bones of victims that of from dump
• 49:24
  sites and Washington. They found some of those bones
• 49:27
  in Oregon which really confuse things.
• 49:31
  Yeah, that's because Gary Ridgway looked at the remains
• 49:35
  as, if they were like, it was like a possession and so like he
• 49:39
  moved them around like they belong to him. but, Colleen live
• 49:48
  with her dad near Lake Washington, the Lake,
• 49:52
  Washington, ship canal and her dad wasn't sure why she had left
• 49:55
  this time, but she taken a lot of her stuff with her and he
• 49:59
  tried to get law enforcement involved because they were like,
• 50:01
  maybe if she gets arrested and has to go to juvie or something,
• 50:05
  then we can get her like some point, a court-appointed therapy
• 50:09
  Colleen had turned to prostitution to provide for
• 50:11
  herself while she was on the run.
• 50:13
  And of course Right? He ended up in the dark pickup
• 50:17
  truck. Yeah.
• 50:19
  Now, the next few months things kind of slowed down in terms of
• 50:21
  finding bodies the lull. Again, again gave people a false
• 50:26
  sense of security and even though local PD were trying to
• 50:29
  encourage women to avoiding the strip of the highway are near
• 50:33
  the tea, sack Airport, They just people weren't you can't stop
• 50:39
  because people need money. Yeah I get that. well, so during
• 50:45
  this time period, Dave Riker and Robert keppel decide to talk to
• 50:52
  Ted Bundy and he reached out to them.
• 50:56
  He actually kept on ended up writing a book about these
• 51:00
  interviews called the river Man, Ted Bundy and I hunt for the
• 51:03
  Green River Killer and Bundy was the first to offer up the idea
• 51:07
  that the river man as he called him, was going to go back to the
• 51:11
  body's over and over again, this wouldn't be confirmed for quite
• 51:15
  some time actually and they couldn't really use any of the
• 51:18
  information that they were kind of gleaning from Ted Bundy in
• 51:21
  the actual investigation, because he was a convicted
• 51:25
  murderer. I think about it right.
• 51:27
  The lightning, right, right, right.
• 51:29
  Yes. But what these interviews what
• 51:32
  these letters and ultimately they did go fly to Bundy in 1986
• 51:37
  and talk to him, but what these interview show, Dave, was that
• 51:40
  serial killers are a lot alike. Capel will continue
• 51:45
  corresponding with Bundy for the next two years eventually, they
• 51:47
  went to interview him in person. October 12 1983, Mary Sue.
• 51:54
  Bella was found 366 days after she went missing near Highway
• 51:59
  410, milepost 37. She was 25 which made her a lot
• 52:03
  older than his usual victims. Her family tried to get her out
• 52:08
  of the life of working the streets, but she been
• 52:10
  struggling. Since she was young, she was
• 52:12
  streets wise and a lot smarter than the other girls.
• 52:16
  But she also had a problem with drugs and alcohol.
• 52:20
  One of the things that I mentioned a lot about her was
• 52:22
  that she was very kind to other people on the street and tried
• 52:24
  to help them. She had even called the police
• 52:28
  and reported a guy that she met on September 12 1983 who had
• 52:33
  creeped her out. She was looking out for the
• 52:35
  other girls who were working. Was it Gary?
• 52:38
  There's do you not know, not know.
• 52:41
  She said he had a lot of knives and this guy had a lot of nice
• 52:43
  car. That's the that's the one I was
• 52:45
  telling you about that, people like that.
• 52:46
  Actual workers called the bed. I'm just saying you don't have
• 52:50
  knives in your car though, and you have them like displayed in
• 52:53
  cases at your house, right? Yeah.
• 52:56
  Okay. It's a little different.
• 52:59
  That report was actually added to their case File a month later
• 53:03
  though, she was gone and her mother kind of had an idea that
• 53:07
  she was gone to marry always called her every other day and
• 53:14
  probably one of the saddest details about Mary.
• 53:16
  Sue Bellows case, is that her mom Sue velman died from cancer,
• 53:21
  never knowing what happened to her kid.
• 53:22
  No, that's terrible. Since Mary been found near
• 53:27
  Highway 41, they decide to keep working that area and they
• 53:30
  discovered the remains of Martina author.
• 53:32
  Lee on November 14th 1994. She was 18 and she was last
• 53:37
  seen, May 22nd 1983 outside of the my place, Tavern, a hunter,
• 53:41
  found her along with wet porn magazines, and smut books.
• 53:47
  Oh God! Can you imagine what he's using
• 53:50
  up? Using those for out there?
• 53:51
  Yeah. 1984, and it without much fanfare, notice appearances.
• 53:58
  No remains found third Christmas, that would pass with
• 54:02
  family, still not knowing any information and just like that,
• 54:06
  it was 1985. In January, don, dr.
• 54:11
  Don re-released details about four sets of remains that, they
• 54:15
  still had no name for they had found remodeling in the first
• 54:19
  star league victims pelvis and one of her arms had been
• 54:22
  dislocated and woman by the name.
• 54:27
  Well, Gail, Matthew's sister remembered that her sister, had
• 54:31
  been injured in a boating accident, and she had fractured
• 54:35
  her pelvis. And so they were able to get the
• 54:38
  x-rays and confirm that. The first Star Lake victim was
• 54:43
  Gayle Matthews. Shirley Ann, Roy was 15 when she
• 54:48
  went missing in June of 1983 and they found her March 10th 1985
• 54:53
  near Star Lake. These were old remains. and so,
• 55:03
  People started telling themselves.
• 55:05
  Maybe the Green River. Killer has moved on, maybe he's
• 55:08
  in jail. Maybe he died.
• 55:11
  Hmm, like the Zodiac, right, let's say like, the Zodiac, the
• 55:18
  task force was like, maybe he just moved to a new area and
• 55:20
  it's still killing people. The next two victims.
• 55:25
  Were surely Murray Cheryl and Denise, Darcel Bush, Shirley was
• 55:30
  18. And Denise was 23, they were
• 55:33
  found on June 14th and June 12 and it actually brought the best
• 55:38
  thing for the case. The FBI officially joined, the
• 55:42
  investigation. There have been phone calls like
• 55:44
  back and forth with John Douglas and but this was actually sent
• 55:49
  like 10 investigators, because these were also another marked
• 55:54
  change. Those girls were found in the
• 55:57
  suburbs of Seattle in a city named Tigard and both have been
• 56:02
  missing since the fall of 1982. So another dump site, a
• 56:07
  different one. Yeah.
• 56:09
  The FBI refer to this case, as major case, 77 green murders.
• 56:15
  And it was good at the FB I joined because that made this a
• 56:18
  bigger deal. September brought the discovery
• 56:21
  of Mary West, 16, missing since February 6, 1984.
• 56:26
  And then with the feds joining, there was now a million dollar
• 56:29
  Federal grant to expand the task force in November.
• 56:32
  People were sure there was going to be an arrest now.
• 56:36
  Hey still didn't come nothing. Yeah, that's the original
• 56:39
  politician who had backed the first task force was no longer
• 56:43
  in office his name As Randy Ravel and his replacement Tim
• 56:47
  Hill, wasn't all that enthusiastic about the task
• 56:50
  force at this point. So the FBI started looking at
• 56:53
  the woman's disappearances and writing summaries about each of
• 56:57
  the reports looking for patterns in their lives and behaviors
• 57:01
  racially, the victims were all over the place and it seemed the
• 57:04
  killer didn't have any racial preference.
• 57:08
  They were all strangled though in some way, sometimes manually
• 57:11
  or through some kind of ligature.
• 57:13
  They did have one woman who had survived To being raped, step
• 57:17
  beaten and stabbed her name was Myra Bell from Oregon.
• 57:25
  She had probably given the most detail to the guy, but still
• 57:30
  like it would like the unfortunately, the definition is
• 57:32
  still like a white guy with a beard kind of skinny in a truck
• 57:39
  like it's still not good enough. These little white guys like
• 57:42
  that. Yeah.
• 57:46
  Some of the most Brilliant Minds in policing are now working on
• 57:49
  this case, we're talking for like three and a half years.
• 57:51
  They spent over eight million dollars.
• 57:53
  The FBI sent 10 more ages to the task force.
• 57:57
  Everyone was optimistic. This was it right?
• 57:58
  It had to be. Now, one thing people talk
• 58:02
  about, is, the DNA evidence DNA sequencing was still very new.
• 58:07
  Like, I saw an article that said, like, first killer found
• 58:11
  through DNA evidence in like 1985.
• 58:15
  Oh, oh, right, we're at the beginning of DNA being used in
• 58:20
  the court system, right? Yeah.
• 58:24
  But still, they were like, if this is a thing that could
• 58:26
  happen in the future, we're going to try and get as much DNA
• 58:28
  evidence as we can. We're clipping all the
• 58:30
  fingernails of all the victim. Yeah, you know, things like
• 58:32
  that. Add Hanson, a member of the task
• 58:36
  force came up with the idea of listen, instead of us going to
• 58:40
  all these dump sites, which are up and down Hills and Ravines
• 58:44
  swamps and stuff. Why don't we just hire
• 58:47
  professional surveyors to Traverse this area and give us
• 58:52
  proper Maps which turned out to be a genius idea and it freed up
• 58:58
  the task force instead of them you know mucking up their way
• 59:02
  through it to work on others. Stuff, route.
• 59:04
  True. Now, just before the new year,
• 59:07
  they find Saint Denis major December 30th.
• 59:10
  She was 20 when she went missing.
• 59:12
  December 24th in 1982, she was actually unidentified until
• 59:16
  2012. her family watched a documentary on Gary Ridgway and
• 59:22
  they went Sandra was around there that time.
• 59:26
  Wasn't she? And so they gave they
• 59:29
  specifically called up like, King County Sheriff's department
• 59:32
  and we're like, we would like to offer up our DNA and they were
• 59:36
  able to compare it and she was positively identified, mmm,
• 59:41
  That's terrible. You just watching a documentary
• 59:44
  of watching a documentary about a serial killer and you're like,
• 59:49
  Dad, didn't you say that? I'm Denise used to live in
• 59:51
  Seattle before she went missing. Do you know what?
• 59:55
  Yeah, you're right. Oh my God.
• 59:58
  Brutal right? Yes, So, John Douglas updates
• 1:00:02
  his initial profile because he had sent one to the task force
• 1:00:05
  when they were just calling back and forth.
• 1:00:09
  And he actually a made himself officially available to the task
• 1:00:12
  force, in January of 1986. That's because he had gotten
• 1:00:16
  like really sick. What's the word?
• 1:00:20
  I can't remember the name of the illness, gosh, it's the one.
• 1:00:24
  Unimportant, I didn't write down those a pose that you can get
• 1:00:33
  when you live in close contact with people in college.
• 1:00:36
  And we had to get a shot for it is like mono or something.
• 1:00:40
  It's that's, it's not mono but it's one of those it starts with
• 1:00:43
  an M but yeah, he had gotten that illness and he had been
• 1:00:47
  sick for a while so he was fully recovered in January of 86.
• 1:00:51
  So he came over. I mean I was good because they
• 1:00:55
  found Jane Doe 17 who is between the age of 14 and 18 years old.
• 1:01:01
  They assumed be by the age of her bones that she'd been
• 1:01:04
  missing from 80 to 84. She's still one of the young
• 1:01:07
  woman, we don't have a positive ID for 8284.
• 1:01:10
  Wow, which lends to the belief that this started before 82.
• 1:01:17
  Yeah. Which is another reason why I
• 1:01:19
  don't believe his little bull crap about my wife cheated on
• 1:01:25
  me. That's why I just had to start
• 1:01:28
  killing people as I cry. You were assaulting people while
• 1:01:32
  before then as soon as you were able to, you were doing it.
• 1:01:35
  Exactly. The second profile for the Green
• 1:01:37
  River. Killer was pretty close to the
• 1:01:38
  first though. Douglas was sure the killer was
• 1:01:40
  in good, physical shape, and Outdoorsman, but he also drank
• 1:01:43
  and smoked, he said, this guy was not neat, he'd be nocturnal
• 1:01:47
  drive, a very conservative. But vehicle souvenirs and
• 1:01:50
  trophies were very important to him.
• 1:01:52
  As well as newspaper clippings about the murders.
• 1:01:54
  Both allowed him to relive the thrill.
• 1:01:57
  Douglas was sure. He was in his mid 20s to 30s and
• 1:01:59
  that his homicides reflected a certain rage and anger that
• 1:02:02
  meant he was never going to stop.
• 1:02:06
  Now, around this time, they had some new suspects, anger,
• 1:02:08
  Rasmussen, and elderly, man who had a barn full of pictures of
• 1:02:12
  women, and also posted advertisements trying to get
• 1:02:15
  women to come live with him. They all thought he was a total
• 1:02:18
  creep, but definitely not strong enough to carry corpses up and
• 1:02:20
  down Hills. The second suspect was Gary
• 1:02:24
  Ridgway who had claimed, he only choked a girl because she bit
• 1:02:27
  him while she was being serviced, right rev the time.
• 1:02:31
  They believed that the killer had a job that required him to
• 1:02:34
  visit the dump sites or drive by A them and ridgway's job at
• 1:02:37
  Kenworth Trucking wasn't far off, but it didn't require him
• 1:02:41
  to travel, right? Yeah.
• 1:02:42
  Because he pointed out to that one girl was like, hey, that's
• 1:02:45
  where I work at as right. Yeah.
• 1:02:47
  Also they couldn't see someone with a full-time job stalking
• 1:02:52
  women and planning this out. So intensely.
• 1:02:56
  See one of the things they thought was that this was being
• 1:02:58
  planned out but Gary later explained that it was not
• 1:03:01
  planned out at all, it was very impulsive.
• 1:03:04
  It's very weird. Not, they should mention that
• 1:03:06
  like you got a full-time job. You go wife.
• 1:03:09
  Yeah, he had a lot going on. Like how do you find time for
• 1:03:12
  this thought, it's hot. Listen, I just want to talk to
• 1:03:16
  you. How do you find time to murder,
• 1:03:24
  right? He really was doing a lot which
• 1:03:25
  is why he wasn't killing as much with Judith, but he's not
• 1:03:29
  married to Judith yet, right? Right.
• 1:03:31
  Yeah, So he's doing his third wave.
• 1:03:34
  No, yes they're dating. Yeah, okay.
• 1:03:37
  And they live together, but okay, okay.
• 1:03:40
  Any kid mmm-hmm. Now he was really hanging out
• 1:03:44
  with his kid. So these had to happen happened
• 1:03:47
  like Monday through Friday. If he was seeing his son every
• 1:03:49
  weekend and they were going to things and fixing toys and cars.
• 1:03:54
  Yeah. But they decided to pass on Gary
• 1:04:00
  Ridgway as a suspect temporarily because they were like, he's too
• 1:04:04
  busy to be doing all this. Also, he did pass a lie-detector
• 1:04:08
  test. They decide to fix it on this
• 1:04:11
  guy named bear Barney taken board.
• 1:04:14
  He was middle-aged. He was obsessed with killing
• 1:04:15
  dogs, and he would do it in many different ways.
• 1:04:18
  Like traps rifles, Groats, knives, ice picks.
• 1:04:21
  Several people had actually called the police on Barney
• 1:04:26
  chicken burger more. Like, are you sure he's not the
• 1:04:29
  Green River Killer. He's in fact, he had even
• 1:04:33
  inadvertently. Worked beside a police informant
• 1:04:37
  at a cement mixing job. And police were like hey you
• 1:04:42
  worked with that guy? Can you tell us about him?
• 1:04:44
  And so the informant was like, listen, he strong athletic, he
• 1:04:47
  spends all his free time in the woods, he loves to kill things
• 1:04:50
  and he loves to talk about killing things.
• 1:04:53
  In fact, taking Borg had even shown the informant, his
• 1:04:56
  Library, full of books and magazines about human anatomy
• 1:04:59
  and how to kill people. Ticking Borg.
• 1:05:03
  Also visited a lot of sex workers so they decide to spend
• 1:05:07
  most of January, interviewing everyone, he knew February 6th,
• 1:05:12
  1986, the FBI, and the task force went to the ticking board
• 1:05:15
  house, which was a block from the pack Highway.
• 1:05:19
  Hmm. They'd already picked Barney up
• 1:05:20
  on his way home from work. He had been getting a ride home
• 1:05:23
  from his boss and they like ordered him out of the car.
• 1:05:27
  Oh Doom, he was questioned for hours, the police picked up
• 1:05:30
  every blood-stained. Item in his house to try and
• 1:05:33
  test it, it was eventually proven that ticking Borg was
• 1:05:36
  just a weird guy, but he wasn't a murderer.
• 1:05:38
  No, he just knew how to kill people and, you know, he just
• 1:05:41
  like wants to read about it, but he doesn't know how to do it,
• 1:05:43
  right? Okay.
• 1:05:45
  I guess he's a, he's a hobby. Yes, I guess.
• 1:05:48
  So, in the meantime, March 27th, 1986 brought the discovery of
• 1:05:53
  Tracy Winston, she was 19 had been missing since September 12
• 1:05:57
  1983. She wouldn't be identified for
• 1:06:00
  another 16 years and that's That's because her mandible was
• 1:06:03
  missing and so were all of her teeth.
• 1:06:05
  Mmm, the leader of the task force Frank, Adams, and was just
• 1:06:09
  faced in a lot of backlash and he was tired.
• 1:06:12
  He would go on to run it until January 1987.
• 1:06:15
  But even as early as March of 86, he knew He knew that his
• 1:06:21
  time was coming to an end spring brought.
• 1:06:24
  The discovery of maroon Marine Sue Feeny, who have been missing
• 1:06:29
  since September of 1983, she was found on May 2nd, her bones were
• 1:06:34
  withered and south of the juncture at Highway 18 and
• 1:06:39
  Highway 90. June 14th, Kimberly Nelson was
• 1:06:43
  found near I-94. She was 21 years old when she
• 1:06:46
  gone missing November 1st 1983. Heartbreakingly, her father
• 1:06:50
  died. A few months before she was
• 1:06:52
  positively ID. And then her sister had a
• 1:06:55
  nervous breakdown after so much grief in such a short amount of
• 1:06:59
  time and I understand Miss Nelson, because I've been there
• 1:07:05
  The end of June brought the discovery of Cindy and Smith 17
• 1:07:08
  missing since March twenty first, Nineteen Eighty-Four
• 1:07:11
  probably. The only good thing that
• 1:07:12
  happened in 1986 was that women had stopped going missing from
• 1:07:16
  the area and it was definitely a sign of the Green River, Killer
• 1:07:19
  had slowed down, or stopped or moved on.
• 1:07:22
  And then just like that, they stopped finding bodies to huh.
• 1:07:25
  At the end of 1986, it was decided, the task force would be
• 1:07:28
  downsized. 25% of the crew was sent to different departments.
• 1:07:32
  Adamson was given the bad news. And he knew that that meant he
• 1:07:35
  was going to be next. His boss actually called him in.
• 1:07:39
  And went listen, we got a job. You could be a major and Maple
• 1:07:44
  Valley and you could like leave a major.
• 1:07:49
  You say, well I mean, so when he told his boss, he's like yeah
• 1:07:54
  I'll go to the new Precinct, his boss is like you made the right
• 1:07:57
  choice pretty much implying that if you didn't take this job, you
• 1:08:01
  were gonna lose your other one. Yeah.
• 1:08:04
  They brought in Jim Pompey to take over the now slightly
• 1:08:08
  smaller task force, he hadn't kept up with all the details and
• 1:08:13
  so he was kind of fresh eyes. There was this Sort of hope that
• 1:08:15
  the killings would stop and the task force would just disappear
• 1:08:18
  and everybody would just forget what had happened.
• 1:08:22
  Now, Jim Pompeii song name pop up over and over in their system
• 1:08:25
  and he just couldn't let it go. First there was this time this
• 1:08:28
  guy got arrested for picking up a prostitute and she was
• 1:08:31
  actually come. This was the same guy who'd gone
• 1:08:34
  parking with Kelly came again assess and she'd never been seen
• 1:08:38
  the same man who admitted to strangling Penny Bristow after
• 1:08:40
  she bit him the same man that Jim Julian.
• 1:08:43
  Had talked to in front of the KFC, where many of the women who
• 1:08:46
  had gone missing like to hang out the same man who drove will
• 1:08:49
  pick up Chuck's and match the description of every Witness who
• 1:08:53
  described the Green River Killer, like it's so surprising,
• 1:08:56
  how he was a call Early here. The Gary Ridgway, they knew he
• 1:09:01
  was happily married had a young son, and 1984, he passed the
• 1:09:04
  polygraph test. He didn't fit the parameters of
• 1:09:07
  the original profile Pompeii was like, I don't care.
• 1:09:10
  We're going to put them under surveillance.
• 1:09:11
  They submitted evidence for a search warrant for Gary,
• 1:09:14
  ridgway's house and on April 8th. 1987 they picked him up.
• 1:09:19
  This was everything. It was a search warrant for his
• 1:09:21
  car, his father. Father's car.
• 1:09:22
  His wife's car, as well as his house and his locker at camera.
• 1:09:26
  Trucking, they also demanded hair samples from Ridgeway and
• 1:09:30
  this is also when he gave the saliva sample, that would
• 1:09:32
  eventually get him caught, it would take weeks before they got
• 1:09:36
  the results of the initial symbols that they took from his
• 1:09:38
  house. Weirdly enough Gary didn't
• 1:09:41
  threaten to sue the police officers, which is what most of
• 1:09:43
  the previous suspects did afterward.
• 1:09:47
  He just went back to normal like they kept him under
• 1:09:49
  surveillance. He was he However, kind of
• 1:09:52
  pissed off that his co-workers started calling him Green River,
• 1:09:55
  Gary. Well, sir, it won't be dumping
• 1:09:58
  bodies a Green River. Well, it's kind of thing.
• 1:10:01
  I wondered if maybe he wasn't getting the attention, he
• 1:10:03
  wanted. What do you got if you want the
• 1:10:06
  attention of being a murderer of being someone who controlled
• 1:10:09
  women? Not being made, fun of my being
• 1:10:12
  made fun of by his coworker? Well, I'm sorry sir.
• 1:10:15
  But if you were my cool work I'd make fun of you too.
• 1:10:18
  Well, 1987, they only discovered the remains of one woman, Cindy
• 1:10:21
  and Smith 17 when she went missing in March of 1984, she
• 1:10:25
  was found on June. He 7th, 1987 off of Highway, 89
• 1:10:30
  near Green River Community College.
• 1:10:32
  James Pompey, didn't actually get to be task force leader for
• 1:10:37
  very long because he went diving in 1987 and he resurfaced to
• 1:10:42
  quickly God and died from a pulmonary embolism.
• 1:10:45
  Why y'all do that? Wait, just wait.
• 1:10:49
  Lieutenant, Greg Boyle took over temporarily and it was given a
• 1:10:52
  Bobby Evans in. 1987, the task force actually had other losses.
• 1:10:57
  To several detectives got leukemia.
• 1:10:59
  During this time period had to leave others.
• 1:11:01
  Had heart problems. One was just super depressed and
• 1:11:04
  had a like breakdown and was like I'm done being a police
• 1:11:07
  officer forever over the course of this five-year investigation.
• 1:11:12
  It took a toll on the people of trying to find him.
• 1:11:16
  And then I was 1988. They discovered Deborah.
• 1:11:20
  Lorraine asked as she was 15, when she been missing and she
• 1:11:23
  been gone for nearly six years. Wow, she was found on the 200
• 1:11:27
  block of South 346 Street where they were going to be building
• 1:11:30
  an apartment complex. Now, they had started
• 1:11:32
  construction there in 1982 and they are getting around to the
• 1:11:37
  point of, I guess, adding a, what's the word playground?
• 1:11:42
  So, when they went to dig the holes to put the swings in, they
• 1:11:45
  found a o with skeletal remains. Originally, they had they
• 1:11:52
  immediately took her body to the.
• 1:11:54
  I mean, we're like we need to know.
• 1:11:56
  Has she been there since 1982? Or was she put here more
• 1:12:02
  recently or put here? Because originally when that
• 1:12:06
  gets they raised the entire area they flattened it.
• 1:12:08
  They also just dropped a load of dirt on the spot where they were
• 1:12:12
  going to build. So they were worried about
• 1:12:14
  whether she had been put in the truck.
• 1:12:17
  Hmm. But it was determined that she
• 1:12:19
  died in 1982 so that was her initial spot where they her body
• 1:12:23
  was dumped. Okay?
• 1:12:27
  her family had they really tried like going so far as to Appear
• 1:12:35
  on Oprah January of 88, like months before they find her.
• 1:12:40
  And they were asking for any information, they could find
• 1:12:43
  Deborah's. Mom was like, listen if we can't
• 1:12:45
  get her home maybe she'll be the one to break the case.
• 1:12:52
  This exploded the possibility of murderers though, because over a
• 1:12:56
  six-year period, there have been hundreds of laborers, truck,
• 1:13:00
  drivers electricians and plumbers on the site, they had
• 1:13:03
  to get a master list of all the contractors and began working
• 1:13:06
  their way through it, connecting that and to any of the potential
• 1:13:09
  women on the list, testing the paint chips found on her
• 1:13:12
  clothing. They discovered it was a very
• 1:13:14
  expensive paint called Ameren manufactured by Dupont used on
• 1:13:18
  commercial vehicles. And if you remember someone, we
• 1:13:23
  talked about Painted commercial vehicles for his entire career.
• 1:13:30
  I don't remember. Well, the first TV show about
• 1:13:37
  Gary Ridgway was released September 7, 1988.
• 1:13:41
  It was called Manhunt a chance to end the Nightmare.
• 1:13:44
  And this was kind of the task force last ditch effort to try
• 1:13:47
  and find some information. They talked to everybody
• 1:13:51
  families them are victims, the FBI, all the detectives, they
• 1:13:57
  got 16,000 phone calls that night.
• 1:14:01
  And by the end of the week, they had 2,000 new suspects.
• 1:14:04
  Nice. Lovely.
• 1:14:08
  They found Andrea. Well, here's the problem.
• 1:14:11
  No, it didn't help at all. What they already have the
• 1:14:16
  person in their records and they've interviewed him.
• 1:14:19
  Now three-time what knows he might not be the guy you talking
• 1:14:23
  about your other people out there.
• 1:14:26
  You'll go to the whole world. Okay, well, they find Andrea
• 1:14:28
  Marie. Chowder on October 9th, 1989
• 1:14:32
  buried near the South Airport dump site.
• 1:14:34
  She had been 17 when she went missing April 14th, 1982.
• 1:14:41
  Hmm, which lets us know that he's been rotating these dump
• 1:14:46
  sites. She probably was one of the
• 1:14:49
  first people to be left near the airport.
• 1:14:56
  So I'm saying this is so planned out, so this me he had a list of
• 1:15:00
  potential places. He could drop the bodies, right?
• 1:15:03
  Yeah. Never put one more than one
• 1:15:05
  there at a given time. Exactly.
• 1:15:08
  Wow. It's just that you guys found
• 1:15:10
  them at this one spot and then you save it for a while
• 1:15:14
  searching and then they keep finding more near they all come
• 1:15:16
  from like different time, period.
• 1:15:18
  Yeah, it's not like he's changed.
• 1:15:19
  He's not changing them. While you're searching for
• 1:15:22
  though. He's like, rotating from spot to
• 1:15:24
  spot as he's killing. With him, it's weird.
• 1:15:26
  Yeah. Well the task force fixate on a
• 1:15:28
  guy named Bill Stevens he had a mask kind of like Ridgeway but
• 1:15:33
  ultimately he wasn't the killer, the guy was a liar who pretended
• 1:15:36
  to be different important jobs and he'd try and impress sex
• 1:15:39
  workers. It was weird.
• 1:15:42
  Reflex where okay? Okay, 1990 came.
• 1:15:45
  The task force was on the verge of just being completely cut,
• 1:15:49
  most of the Manpower and the money got pulled back into major
• 1:15:52
  crime unit. It was Pared down to 17 people
• 1:15:58
  by 1998, spent fifteen million dollars.
• 1:16:02
  The public looks at it, like, they had wasted a lot of money.
• 1:16:06
  The thing is this task force did have some pretty one like great
• 1:16:09
  detectives. I mean, literally it had the
• 1:16:12
  creators of the Behavioral Science unit, who wrote the book
• 1:16:16
  on profiling, right attached to this.
• 1:16:20
  In fact, one of the Special Agents from the FBI, his name
• 1:16:23
  was Paul Lindsay who had come on in 1986 and really believed that
• 1:16:28
  they could find the Green River. Killer ended up telling Frank.
• 1:16:31
  Adamson Captain, I am humbled. just like, We're the best of the
• 1:16:42
  best and we're at a loss. Dave Reichert, who had been
• 1:16:47
  there since the beginning as a young detective.
• 1:16:49
  Now, headlines on his face and grey hair, some of the original
• 1:16:53
  task force had just retired. Many of them just losing the
• 1:16:57
  will to keep fighting I kind of had no sympathy for them.
• 1:17:05
  Like, I feel bad that you all spent.
• 1:17:07
  This like, all this time, like searching for this person that
• 1:17:10
  you've already interviewed, like, three different times,
• 1:17:12
  it's rough. I see, because I don't feel like
• 1:17:13
  this is the same thing as what happened with Yorkshire Ripper.
• 1:17:17
  I guess why? I keep thinking of because one,
• 1:17:20
  they also interviewed the Yorkshire Ripper like nine
• 1:17:22
  times, yeah. But Like it was out of Dave
• 1:17:27
  records. Like he didn't know how
• 1:17:30
  polygraph testing Merc wasn't his fault that it was done
• 1:17:33
  wrong. You know, like bringing
• 1:17:35
  offerings belief that he had passed and back.
• 1:17:38
  Then we put a lot more weight and to polygraph testing than we
• 1:17:41
  do. Now this is true.
• 1:17:42
  Yeah, so they were like oh this guy passed the test, he's just a
• 1:17:46
  weirdo, let's estimate again. And the we have a history of
• 1:17:51
  dealing of dealing with sex workers but this is an area.
• 1:17:54
  Because of where the airport is, that has a lot of sex workers
• 1:17:59
  and we've interviewed a lot of men who enter, you know what I
• 1:18:01
  mean? So I understand what I everybody
• 1:18:05
  was really feeling kind of demoralized because in the past
• 1:18:08
  18 months, all of their top suspects have been cleared.
• 1:18:12
  Except for Gary, Ridgway they found Martha, Reeves September
• 1:18:16
  of 1990, she'd actually gone missing in 1990 as well and
• 1:18:20
  like, it's really interesting because in the Green River
• 1:18:23
  Running book, Look. I feel like an rule kind of
• 1:18:26
  glossed over this, but this was the first like fresh kill 1990.
• 1:18:31
  Yeah, in like years. Since like 84, he killed.
• 1:18:39
  He, she went missing in 1990 and he killed her in 1990, that
• 1:18:43
  meant he was back on his bullshit.
• 1:18:45
  Yeah. Marta had was 36.
• 1:18:51
  She's also one of the older victims because normally he had
• 1:18:54
  a thing for teenagers, she called actually the night that
• 1:18:57
  she went missing, she called her husband and asked for money.
• 1:19:00
  He did not, he declined because she had a serious cocaine
• 1:19:03
  problem and they were separated She said kind of sadly.
• 1:19:09
  Okay. Then I'll have to work all
• 1:19:11
  night. Her husband, was he delivering
• 1:19:14
  the mail about a month later, it had her driver's license in it.
• 1:19:17
  It's very common to, if you find somebody's wallet or driver's
• 1:19:20
  license, you put it in the mail and you deliver it back to their
• 1:19:22
  house, right? So there's no guarantee that
• 1:19:24
  that came from Gary Ridgway, but he did go to the police with it
• 1:19:28
  and by the time they tried finger, it had been touched like
• 1:19:30
  12 different times. They couldn't get clear print to
• 1:19:34
  put it through the database anyway.
• 1:19:36
  She was found ultimately near Highway 410, one of his favorite
• 1:19:40
  spots. Over the next couple of years,
• 1:19:43
  they find Roberta Hayes on September 11th 1991, missing
• 1:19:47
  since 87 Patricia bark. Sack on February 3rd 1983,
• 1:19:51
  missing since October of 86 Patricia, yellow robe, and
• 1:19:55
  August of 1998, missing since January of 1998, another one in
• 1:20:00
  the same year, just proof that he hadn't stopped but he had
• 1:20:05
  slowed down so much that they weren't gaining any new
• 1:20:07
  information about the crime, right?
• 1:20:10
  And then we came to 2001, Gary secure, he's like, I fooled,
• 1:20:14
  these cops their bums, I passed that polygraph test.
• 1:20:18
  But if they pick me up again, I won't take it again because, you
• 1:20:21
  know, maybe won't have faith. Yeah, - a test them again, just
• 1:20:28
  in. Begin on the surface, the task
• 1:20:31
  force was gone, but in reality, it was kind of like just
• 1:20:34
  waiting. Now, Frank Adamson had moved to
• 1:20:37
  the new Criminal Justice Center, South of the airport and he was
• 1:20:40
  chief of criminal investigation. Action Unit.
• 1:20:43
  Bob keppel got a doctorate wrote a couple books taught a course,
• 1:20:46
  called homicide of the University of Washington.
• 1:20:48
  It was wildly popular. Hmm.
• 1:20:50
  Dave Reichert continue to move up through the ranks when the
• 1:20:54
  police chief in King County decided to move on to the
• 1:20:56
  suburbs, they actually offered the job of police chief to
• 1:20:59
  Adamson but he passed on it. Dave was almost 50 and He
• 1:21:05
  decided he wanted to be police chief of King County.
• 1:21:10
  In fact, in rural actually helped him campaign to get the
• 1:21:13
  job. Nice.
• 1:21:15
  So one of the main cops on the ground, with the Green River
• 1:21:17
  task, force meant that it wasn't over.
• 1:21:22
  Sodium DNA sequencing, a come a long time in a decade or so, and
• 1:21:26
  they still had those hair and saliva samples.
• 1:21:29
  So they have this new technique and it had been developed in
• 1:21:34
  1996 and the state has started running evidence through the new
• 1:21:40
  system with the do need new DNA evidence, but With the way the
• 1:21:46
  backlog, there was just a tremendous backlog, so it would
• 1:21:49
  take five years before Gary. Ridgway's sample, that he gave
• 1:21:53
  to get properly sequenced and put in the system, right?
• 1:21:56
  Yeah. In the meantime though, Dave's
• 1:22:00
  like, listen, we're going to go through all the old evidence.
• 1:22:05
  And he sends it to Beverly hemic, who's part of the
• 1:22:09
  Washington State Patrol crime lab and they rent all the
• 1:22:13
  fingernails of the victims to look for trace evidence.
• 1:22:16
  They swab, any ligature marks that they had for cellular you
• 1:22:21
  know data this is actually probably the grossest detail in
• 1:22:25
  the whole thing so they still have pubic hair from a victim
• 1:22:30
  and when they went and looked at it under a microscope, there
• 1:22:34
  were Still a couple of sperm cells what clinging to a piece
• 1:22:39
  of hair. How what they found three
• 1:22:43
  different good bits of DNA from three different women, three
• 1:22:50
  different victims and then they had that sequence, DNA profile
• 1:22:57
  from Gary Ridgway and all three victims matched.
• 1:23:03
  Oh ho ho Somewhere. They came down on him hard.
• 1:23:13
  He was 52 and still arrogant as ever.
• 1:23:16
  He was charged with Marcia Chapman opal Mills Cynthia,
• 1:23:19
  Hines and Carol and Christiansen on November 30th 2001.
• 1:23:23
  There was a lot of Triumph in Washington state and Rule said
• 1:23:27
  in her book, that she saved the voicemail she got from Dave
• 1:23:30
  Reichert which was him calling and yelling into the phone.
• 1:23:34
  We've arrested the Green River. Killer I just love that I would
• 1:23:40
  do the same. Oh my God.
• 1:23:43
  Yes, now I will let you know how much time passed so in rule as
• 1:23:49
  written a lot of books and she was involved with kind of
• 1:23:55
  talking to the people who worked, the Green, River case
• 1:23:57
  from 1982 and on, and the time period from the time that first
• 1:24:01
  murder happened to the time they caught him.
• 1:24:04
  She wrote 19 books About different cases, that's a books.
• 1:24:12
  It had really been a long time for a lot of people, but it
• 1:24:16
  wasn't over yet. Now the task force is like,
• 1:24:19
  nooner know he's responsible for way more than four.
• 1:24:22
  So now, they're like, task force reanimated.
• 1:24:27
  They pull everybody back. They pour over every single
• 1:24:31
  detail. They have about Ridgeway
• 1:24:32
  discovering discrepancies from his prior.
• 1:24:35
  Testimony that hadn't seemed back in.
• 1:24:37
  Important back then, like him lying about the fact that his
• 1:24:40
  first wife wasn't a skinny blond.
• 1:24:43
  Really? She had been overweight and a
• 1:24:45
  brunette and her weight loss had triggered his insecurities.
• 1:24:48
  He had a weird thing about blondes, he like in a real
• 1:24:51
  creepy way and one of the interviews I read from him, he
• 1:24:54
  talked about how blondes were special.
• 1:24:59
  Then the task force began. Just the awful task of
• 1:25:04
  interviewing. Everyone who had known Gary
• 1:25:08
  Ridgway. Ever or worked with him ever?
• 1:25:13
  Well Gary. Yeah, he seemed a little weird
• 1:25:14
  but you know, he's just the everyday guy.
• 1:25:16
  Well, no, actually one of his former co-workers recounted a
• 1:25:20
  story where he had given her a ride home and they were talking
• 1:25:23
  about the case and he kept asking her like oh they they
• 1:25:27
  deserve what happened to And those prostitutes and you never
• 1:25:31
  be a prostitute, would you? And she realized in hindsight,
• 1:25:34
  like, holy hell, I guess I answered his questions
• 1:25:38
  correctly. When he have killed me, if I
• 1:25:41
  told him that I would consider being a prostitute.
• 1:25:45
  Anybody would, that's what I'm saying?
• 1:25:47
  Everybody's got a price, I feel like everybody's got a price.
• 1:25:49
  That's just me, though. Personally, oh my God.
• 1:25:55
  I remember them talking about what's-her-name China.
• 1:25:57
  Yeah. But like they, Like so-and-so
• 1:25:59
  paid her 50 thousand dollars to be in the threesome with them.
• 1:26:02
  I'm like that's a lot of money. That's more than most people
• 1:26:06
  make a year to go be with t.i. entitled that's good - oh my God
• 1:26:13
  and tax-free yes just saying everybody's got a price but
• 1:26:18
  regardless what yeah one of his co-workers he like gave her a
• 1:26:20
  ride home and like was real creepy and she was just like I'm
• 1:26:23
  not going to take a ride from Gary anymore because it's true.
• 1:26:29
  A lot of stuff. They real, they learn the real
• 1:26:31
  reason. His marriage has failed and
• 1:26:32
  because he tried to choke her several times and interviewing
• 1:26:36
  his second wife, that's when they learned about all the
• 1:26:39
  different places that he liked to go and have sex with and how
• 1:26:41
  those ended up being places. He eventually dumped the bodies,
• 1:26:46
  they interviewed Judith as well and she was completely none.
• 1:26:48
  The wiser super blindsided they spent hours upon hours talking
• 1:26:52
  to his son Chad, and that's how they learned.
• 1:26:54
  That Gary had maintained the facade of being like a good
• 1:26:58
  father. They actually originally placed
• 1:27:00
  him in an ultra security cell in King County jail, so that guards
• 1:27:03
  could watch him 24/7. They were worried that he might
• 1:27:06
  and himself. His mug shot was on the cover of
• 1:27:10
  every newspaper in North America and and Rule didn't remember
• 1:27:13
  ever meeting him. But apparently, Gary, Ridgway
• 1:27:18
  new, an and knew that an was looking into his case because
• 1:27:22
  her daughter Leslie called her the next day.
• 1:27:24
  December. First and said he was at a book
• 1:27:28
  signing, So apparently, Leslie told her mom that he'd show up,
• 1:27:37
  didn't pick up a book, didn't buy anything, and he would just
• 1:27:40
  stare at, and the entire time, like it bothered her and brought
• 1:27:43
  her so much that she had told her, there was a weird guy here
• 1:27:46
  who was staring at you, but and was just like, this is what
• 1:27:51
  celebrity. Yeah, it's part of being a
• 1:27:53
  celebrity. Yeah, apparently Leslie had also
• 1:27:55
  seen him at some of her mom's speaking engagements to.
• 1:27:59
  So she had been keeping an eye out.
• 1:28:00
  For this weird guy. One of those speaking
• 1:28:03
  engagements and said, no one knows who the Green River Killer
• 1:28:07
  is or what he looks like for all.
• 1:28:09
  I know he could be sitting here tonight and he was home on
• 1:28:14
  because he wanted to know what she knew about him.
• 1:28:18
  Talking about a creepy situation.
• 1:28:19
  Yeah. Oh my God, they went back.
• 1:28:23
  They looked over all the old crime scenes, with new crime
• 1:28:25
  Tech's. There were some, I couldn't get
• 1:28:28
  to you because they had been built on or paved over.
• 1:28:31
  They completely ripped apart the Ridgeway house, he was formally
• 1:28:35
  charged with four murders on December 5th.
• 1:28:37
  And then December 8, the governor allocated 500,000
• 1:28:41
  dollars for DNA, testing the other 45 victims to see if they
• 1:28:45
  could be connected to him too. Captain Bruce Caitlin took over
• 1:28:50
  the task force, they began quietly.
• 1:28:52
  Buying all of his old trucks that they could find a lot of
• 1:28:55
  them were scrapped and you know, push them a little squares but
• 1:28:59
  they did find a few in his house.
• 1:29:01
  They also cataloged every bead every piece of jewelry that they
• 1:29:04
  could find it belonged to them. Now the task force got to move
• 1:29:09
  into a fancy new building in the beginning of March.
• 1:29:11
  In 2002, ye not one that's falling apart.
• 1:29:14
  Awesome. Now there was funding To try and
• 1:29:17
  connect him to these 48, murders the time.
• 1:29:21
  The 14 investigators kept all this information close to their
• 1:29:24
  chest though. The information they were
• 1:29:26
  sorting through was Monumental and they didn't want any of this
• 1:29:29
  getting out. They actually recovered his work
• 1:29:31
  overalls from his job. And those paint specs that they
• 1:29:35
  had found. They found, they found paint
• 1:29:38
  specs on eight different people and they were able to confirm
• 1:29:43
  Wendy Coffield had that same pain on her.
• 1:29:45
  Deborah asked is Deborah Bonner. So they charged him with those
• 1:29:49
  murders on March 27th. Yeah, nice.
• 1:29:53
  Now, interestingly enough, normally with the passage of
• 1:29:55
  time it makes it harder to make to fix things but because
• 1:30:00
  forensic capabilities had improved so greatly and this
• 1:30:03
  like 15 year time period. This was actually better for
• 1:30:06
  them and just all I can say is thank God that Dame Reichert and
• 1:30:11
  Dick kraske were as meticulous as they were with the the crime
• 1:30:17
  scenes because there's A lot of cases that got blundered in the
• 1:30:21
  80s and 70s, it was running over a price because people just
• 1:30:25
  walked through the crime scenes and messed him all up, right?
• 1:30:27
  Right. There was a situation at the,
• 1:30:29
  the river with those first three bodies where dick craft actually
• 1:30:34
  noticed that they had put the bodies in the wrong back.
• 1:30:38
  Like the names were messed up and he was like, stop stop stop.
• 1:30:42
  We got to redo this whole thing, so like at least the two of them
• 1:30:47
  had been so mad. Nicholas.
• 1:30:49
  Because now we had all this evidence to go retest again.
• 1:30:55
  So they were moving towards having a trial in 2004 of course
• 1:30:59
  we never get to a trial there was a deal.
• 1:31:01
  Negotiated on June 13th 2003 that said if they agreed not to
• 1:31:05
  seek the death penalty against him, he would plead guilty to
• 1:31:08
  all the homicides in King County, the ones the police know
• 1:31:11
  about and the ones they didn't implying.
• 1:31:15
  There's some you don't know about Now something must have
• 1:31:19
  happened with that deal because originally they said it didn't
• 1:31:21
  go through but there were four more sets of remains that were
• 1:31:25
  found in 2003 Pammy and not aven't.
• 1:31:30
  She's fed on August 16th, 2003 15.
• 1:31:32
  When she went missing in 83 the woman currently known as Jane.
• 1:31:36
  Doe be 20 found on August 21st, 2003, April butcher.
• 1:31:40
  Mm found August 30th. She been missing since August
• 1:31:43
  18th 1983. Now, the task force does
• 1:31:47
  something. Here that is completely off the
• 1:31:49
  wall. See when someone's in prison,
• 1:31:54
  everything they do is being loved, right?
• 1:31:56
  Other prisoners are watching guards, you're watching
• 1:31:59
  information gets leaked people, talk about things.
• 1:32:03
  The task force didn't want that. So what they did was they pretty
• 1:32:07
  much told the governor. We're going to keep him here at
• 1:32:11
  the building where the task force says.
• 1:32:14
  For you'll be under armed guards, they literally made a
• 1:32:16
  cell for him. So at the office, that's the
• 1:32:20
  Green River, task force, that's his prison.
• 1:32:23
  They made their own present for him, huh?
• 1:32:26
  They kept him living down the hall from where they were
• 1:32:28
  investigating him 24 hours a day and they would just show up and
• 1:32:32
  come talk to him and kind of mess with them like just be
• 1:32:36
  like, all right time for interview.
• 1:32:38
  It's like middle of night. Oh my God.
• 1:32:41
  When he finally started talking though, he started talking a
• 1:32:44
  lot. He spoke to psychiatrist FBI
• 1:32:47
  agents homicide detectives. He was almost like happy about
• 1:32:51
  the attention. He went out with the
• 1:32:53
  investigators and began showing them where bodies were and
• 1:32:56
  connecting the dots that they didn't have fully connected.
• 1:33:00
  On September 26th 2003, he even alerted them to the body of
• 1:33:05
  Marie Malvern, the one that started them looking into him
• 1:33:09
  from the beginning. When she'd been the one who was
• 1:33:13
  seeing getting into his crappy, Crappy.
• 1:33:16
  Their little truck on April 30th 1983.
• 1:33:23
  He was like, yeah, yeah, you were right.
• 1:33:25
  I did kill her. You know, who, you know, who,
• 1:33:30
  Well, so interestingly enough while Ridgeway enjoyed the
• 1:33:33
  attention, sometimes they'd find a detail or something on a map
• 1:33:37
  and they pull them out of bed and cuff him and take him out in
• 1:33:39
  like the middle of the night over the course of the
• 1:33:41
  interviews. He came clean to all forty eight
• 1:33:43
  murders, specifically those in King County because that was the
• 1:33:45
  deal that they made. And as I said last week, there
• 1:33:48
  is a theory that he has other victims in other areas, but
• 1:33:52
  since he very desperately wants to stay alive, he's not going to
• 1:33:55
  say anything, right? Now, Ridgeway claimed that he
• 1:33:59
  would kill whenever he got angry.
• 1:34:01
  These were never premeditated murders.
• 1:34:03
  And he blamed those rages on the women around him like the women
• 1:34:07
  at his job getting raises or promotions when he didn't, or
• 1:34:11
  when he would have to pay child support for his son, which side
• 1:34:14
  note, you got to pay child support every month buddy.
• 1:34:16
  So once a month you just get mad and go on a random Killing Spree
• 1:34:20
  quickly. or like he got mad when he bought the house and he said
• 1:34:29
  that the The sellers were so cheap that they taking all the
• 1:34:33
  light bulbs out of the house. Well, he said, he would get so
• 1:34:39
  angry that he couldn't sleep and he had to just go out and
• 1:34:41
  relieve the pressure. Yeah, we know this is a lie that
• 1:34:47
  he told him. Yeah.
• 1:34:48
  Because he kept telling investigators over and over all
• 1:34:51
  I want to do was have sex with them and kill them.
• 1:34:53
  He didn't remember any of the women's faces, but he knew in
• 1:34:55
  startling detail everywhere that he had dropped a body, he worked
• 1:34:59
  through years of memories with them.
• 1:35:01
  He talked about keeping toys in his car, so the victims would be
• 1:35:05
  disarmed. He admitted to bring some of
• 1:35:07
  them back to the house. Showing them his son's room.
• 1:35:14
  And actually he and that's what he says, not premeditated, but
• 1:35:18
  he learned that when you kill someone, sometimes their bladder
• 1:35:22
  goes so he would make the women go to the bathroom before so
• 1:35:29
  that they had an empty bladder. So that when he murdered them it
• 1:35:32
  wouldn't make a mess on his bed, smart, I guess.
• 1:35:39
  He also discovered through trial and error that if they were
• 1:35:42
  having sex in doggy style, that was the best way to kill them.
• 1:35:46
  Oh, so you can talk to her from behind, right?
• 1:35:48
  He would say, oh, I heard somebody, if they were outside
• 1:35:51
  and the girl would look up and he would reach over and grab her
• 1:35:53
  behind the neck and choked her out or if they were near the
• 1:35:57
  airport and airplane went overhead and the girl looked up,
• 1:36:00
  that would be the moment he grabbed her.
• 1:36:06
  One of the things I was really intrigued by is that usually
• 1:36:09
  Killers like this, have a racial preference, a physical
• 1:36:12
  preference for their victims and like well I said he didn't have
• 1:36:15
  like a thing, he really liked blondes, you only killed like
• 1:36:18
  five. He really didn't have any
• 1:36:20
  preference for his victims because they had virtually no
• 1:36:23
  meaning to him. They were just a means to an
• 1:36:25
  end. They were blank voids in his
• 1:36:27
  memory. He admitted the choking them was
• 1:36:30
  more rewarding than shooting them, though.
• 1:36:32
  He did threaten them with guns, These are also the interviews
• 1:36:36
  where he references being cuckolded by his wife and like I
• 1:36:40
  said, I looked far and wide for any proof that this happened,
• 1:36:45
  outside of Gary, ridgway's mind the investigators didn't believe
• 1:36:49
  it either because he had many consensual girlfriends while he
• 1:36:53
  was doing this between 1982 and 84.
• 1:36:55
  Yeah, no one was cheating on you or cuckold and you then buddy.
• 1:36:59
  No one else. No partially through these
• 1:37:03
  interviews. He starts mentioning The other
• 1:37:05
  Gary. And so he starts talking about,
• 1:37:08
  I know, I'm sorry. Oh God, come on, just talking
• 1:37:11
  about the other Gary who's stronger and angrier and this
• 1:37:15
  Gary's mad because the police have complete control over him.
• 1:37:19
  And the old Gary would talk about murdering and the new Gary
• 1:37:23
  said he never had any sex with corpses now.
• 1:37:25
  They weren't sure if he was trying to present himself as
• 1:37:27
  being mentally ill, but regardless, he was telling them
• 1:37:30
  the facts and that's all that mattered to them.
• 1:37:34
  This is also when he told them that that jewelry that they had
• 1:37:37
  been looking for his trophies, he had left those things at the
• 1:37:40
  airport and also at his job. So he would leave pieces of
• 1:37:47
  Jewelry in the bathrooms and then he would get like a little
• 1:37:52
  high whenever he would see. The women at his job, wearing
• 1:37:58
  those pieces. And that kept them out of his
• 1:38:02
  house. Come on, come on.
• 1:38:06
  He also admitted that he hated how much control women out over
• 1:38:09
  him and he always hated it. Oh my God.
• 1:38:11
  Shut up. Oh, the police.
• 1:38:13
  How exhausting it was to have to wear, gloves, and change his
• 1:38:15
  shoes, or tires all the time. So that they wouldn't be able to
• 1:38:18
  find him. Well, don't do it.
• 1:38:22
  The real Clincher do was enter his interviews with dr.
• 1:38:25
  Mary Ellen. O'Toole, she got him to talk
• 1:38:28
  about his childhood. Now she intrigued him by saying
• 1:38:33
  she wouldn't talk to him and she said, listen, the FBI doesn't
• 1:38:36
  care about how many bodies a person has like, there's plenty
• 1:38:39
  of crimes, we don't interject into.
• 1:38:41
  Hmm, she said I need to go through a verification process
• 1:38:45
  with you to see if you're worth my time.
• 1:38:49
  He's like, okay. She's like the verification
• 1:38:52
  process. As you got to tell me about your
• 1:38:54
  childhood. So she walked so Gary walked her
• 1:38:59
  through a lot of the things we talked about last week, right?
• 1:39:02
  He told dr. Atul that he thought his victims
• 1:39:05
  bodies belonged to him as long as they weren't discovered and
• 1:39:09
  he admitted to all sorts of sexual compulsions do you know
• 1:39:14
  what fra tourism is? Because I didn't hear that word
• 1:39:17
  before. Broader is broader is MM no I
• 1:39:20
  have no idea. Well apparently this started
• 1:39:22
  when he was young fra tourism is when you rub your Genitals on.
• 1:39:27
  Somebody else without their consent.
• 1:39:30
  I think I have heard of this new word for Brittany.
• 1:39:34
  Never heard of that in my life. He also would expose himself to
• 1:39:39
  people when he was younger. He stalked women that started
• 1:39:41
  when he was 12. Where is MM?
• 1:39:43
  Rape murder for sexual release and yes he absolutely admitted
• 1:39:48
  straight up to dr. O'Toole necrophilia.
• 1:39:52
  He even discussed how he and moves skeletons to Oregon so
• 1:39:55
  that the police wouldn't find their bodies and wouldn't take
• 1:39:58
  them from him. All his porch Willie's.
• 1:40:02
  Take his toys away. Now dr.
• 1:40:04
  O'Toole was the one who zeroed in on a how awful Gary's Ship
• 1:40:07
  with his mother was and how those baths that creeped us out,
• 1:40:11
  had been very stimulating for Gary and that he would get a
• 1:40:14
  hard-on while she was cleaning him and he would see his want.
• 1:40:18
  He looked at his mom, like she was one of the women in like the
• 1:40:20
  nude magazines and that he would like peek at her and like sneak
• 1:40:26
  looks at her, if she leaned down, like he would like look
• 1:40:29
  through her shirt. That when she measured him for
• 1:40:35
  close, he would get turned on and see.
• 1:40:39
  That's why one of the things that I like struggle with is
• 1:40:42
  that story that he told her about how his mom used to tell
• 1:40:46
  them stories about how. When she would measure men at
• 1:40:49
  the park, our department store, she could like see their
• 1:40:55
  hard-ons. I'm like, is this you
• 1:40:57
  projecting? Yes.
• 1:40:59
  Oh my God. Make.
• 1:41:03
  Someone said he insisted though. He never touched his mother but
• 1:41:06
  that seeing her nude made him want to touch other women.
• 1:41:09
  And that started when he was 10, he said he never resented his
• 1:41:13
  mother but he did want to stab her.
• 1:41:15
  And he started stalking women at 12 years old and that he had
• 1:41:18
  necrophilia desires long before he ever actually did it.
• 1:41:21
  Hmm, he pled. Guilty, officially on November
• 1:41:24
  5th, 2003, and he was given 48 consecutive life sentences on
• 1:41:28
  December 18th, 2003, They would find one more victim.
• 1:41:34
  December 21st. 2010, her name was Rebecca Marrero.
• 1:41:38
  She was 20 when she went missing, December 3rd 1992,
• 1:41:43
  Becky at left her son with her mom and said it like made a joke
• 1:41:46
  saying she was going away for a long time.
• 1:41:50
  Her mom kind of took her seriously and didn't report her
• 1:41:52
  missing until 1984 Her skull was found at the bottom of a
• 1:41:59
  200-foot ravine, which is interesting.
• 1:42:02
  Because in his interviews, Gary talked about wanting to be able
• 1:42:05
  to find one of those bottomless Minds that they say are in
• 1:42:09
  Washington. So perhaps he thought he had
• 1:42:12
  gotten rid of Becky by throwing her into the ravine.
• 1:42:16
  They added one more life sentence to his 48.
• 1:42:22
  Just after his 62nd birthday. Oh my God.
• 1:42:26
  And so what else happened to the other people involved in this
• 1:42:29
  case? Well, Dave Reichert went on to
• 1:42:31
  be the US Representative to Washington's 8th Congressional
• 1:42:34
  District from 2005 to 2009 teen. He is now retired Stu Peters
• 1:42:40
  took some time off went to Africa on a safari in 2004 then
• 1:42:45
  she came back and Began trying to find the identities of the
• 1:42:48
  unknown victims. She along with Detective Denny
• 1:42:51
  gulla create a program called the highway intelligence team
• 1:42:54
  hit and that team goes, and checks on the working girls near
• 1:42:57
  the sea. Tack strip not to arrest them,
• 1:43:00
  but to let them know they are resources and that they're there
• 1:43:02
  to help, they have been able to help women.
• 1:43:05
  They've had people call them in the middle of the night.
• 1:43:08
  They also log these women's scars and dental records, smart,
• 1:43:14
  very when some of the young women.
• 1:43:16
  Asks, here's why she says so something like this happens
• 1:43:21
  again we can find you. Yeah.
• 1:43:24
  Randy mulanax were ran a seminar for law enforcement agencies
• 1:43:27
  around the country to teach them, about what they learned
• 1:43:30
  about. The Green River Killer Bob,
• 1:43:33
  gabo, edged, writing her and Kevin O'Keefe went back to
• 1:43:36
  Seattle PD. Frank Adamson retired, Richard
• 1:43:38
  kraske retired but Colwell retired medical examiner, Donald
• 1:43:43
  Rhea retired. He lives on an island where he
• 1:43:45
  learns about boat murder Motors and stuff.
• 1:43:48
  Nice, big Bill hagelin worked, identifying bodies in foreign
• 1:43:51
  countries until he died and chain 21.
• 1:43:54
  Along with Bill Danny, Nolan, Paul Smith, Ralph without
• 1:43:57
  McAllister, Kim Pompey. Jim, sorry.
• 1:44:00
  I said Kim Jim Pompey, dr. John, Baird bridge and Tony
• 1:44:04
  Zagora all died. After this case, Matt Haney
• 1:44:09
  became chief of police on Bainbridge Island in Washington.
• 1:44:13
  Hmm, Robert Capa was a professor in criminology until his death.
• 1:44:18
  This year. In June of 2021, Chad Ridgeway
• 1:44:22
  is a Marine most of the victims and Gary's Ex-Wives and anyone
• 1:44:27
  who had anything to do with him in that vein have no interest in
• 1:44:31
  being involved in anything good smart.
• 1:44:34
  Like I told you last time, Judy has finally made it to a place
• 1:44:38
  where she can be in a relationship and trust people
• 1:44:41
  again right. Yeah she's dating again right.
• 1:44:42
  Great. Yeah.
• 1:44:43
  She has a boyfriend named David. Yay Judah.
• 1:44:45
  Yes and Gary is serving his sentence in Washington State
• 1:44:50
  Penitentiary and Walla Walla. Washington.
• 1:44:53
  He will never be released. Yay.
• 1:44:57
  And there is the story of Gary Ridgway.
• 1:45:00
  Look at that. That was good one, and you
• 1:45:03
  finished it on our 40th episode. I did.
• 1:45:05
  That was the goal here. But now you see why I couldn't
• 1:45:11
  do it in one. No, no, no, that just cut my
• 1:45:15
  whole part out, just you just talked a whole episode.
• 1:45:17
  Go right ahead for an hour and 45 minutes right now, my God
• 1:45:21
  never mind. What did you have talked about
• 1:45:38
  this week? Oh well, you see.
• 1:45:43
  This week and Ryan's world. So, Halloween's over.
• 1:45:52
  Yeah, everybody hope everybody had their got their festivities
• 1:45:56
  out of their system. Like, I mean, whatever you
• 1:45:59
  enjoyed yourselves and then you celebrated the next day, which
• 1:46:04
  would be the day of the dead. If you do, celebrate the Day of
• 1:46:06
  that, someone actually asked me that in my lab, the other day.
• 1:46:08
  They were like, do you celebrate today the dot?
• 1:46:10
  And I was like, well, I'm not Mexican so that, Cultural
• 1:46:13
  appropriation, but I appreciate that.
• 1:46:16
  You want people to know more about it.
• 1:46:17
  This is true. Yeah, it's a great day.
• 1:46:19
  I it's really cool. And I if someone invited me to
• 1:46:22
  be a part of it, I absolutely would go.
• 1:46:24
  Yeah, 100%. You just can't be doing it by
• 1:46:26
  yourself and no, no. Can't be the Columbus thing.
• 1:46:29
  People's cultural events. Just don't do that.
• 1:46:36
  Hmm, it's like how we do it for I guess.
• 1:46:39
  St.patrick's day. We are a lot of people do that,
• 1:46:42
  you know? You know what I mean?
• 1:46:43
  American version of st. Patrick's day isn't even it's
• 1:46:46
  not, it's not, it's like what we do for Mayday.
• 1:46:50
  We're just like what or snow Cinco de Mayo.
• 1:46:53
  They're like yeah, this is a totally celebrating a battle in
• 1:46:56
  Mexico, drunk time. We just any at any point
• 1:47:01
  Americans. Try to drink.
• 1:47:02
  Anytime we can get drunk be for fun.
• 1:47:05
  It's super weird. Yeah, but yeah, like we're like
• 1:47:10
  they have them pretty sure. I definitely cried watching
• 1:47:15
  KOCO, that's a great one. And then the definitely cried
• 1:47:18
  watching The Book of Life to think.
• 1:47:20
  I watched that, what's a good movie?
• 1:47:22
  It's a great one. I don't care if they're
• 1:47:24
  cartoons. Oh care, I'll watch them light
• 1:47:27
  automatic cartoons are good. Yeah.
• 1:47:30
  Anyway, you know, the days over Halloween is still in our hearts
• 1:47:36
  today. I bring you a tale brought To Us
• 1:47:40
  by one of our patrons. Maggie.
• 1:47:44
  Oh, is this what Maggie? You were talking about the disk
• 1:47:46
  or? Yeah, I was like if I find some
• 1:47:48
  stuff about I'll definitely cover.
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  So cool. She's gonna be so high.
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  Yeah, and there's like what s shallow for her right, right?
• 1:47:55
  Listen. That's you gotta be what you
• 1:47:56
  want. Shoutouts, be it become a
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  patron, become a patreon. Let's talk about.
• 1:48:00
  You always are anyway. Yeah, hi Maggie.
• 1:48:06
  I told you I'd use it, but so I'm using it today.
• 1:48:09
  I love getting stories from people.
• 1:48:11
  By the way, hint hint, Just just in case.
• 1:48:16
  So this is the story of The Point Lookout Lighthouse, which
• 1:48:22
  may be haunted. Well, I'm pretty sure it is
• 1:48:27
  haunted. Didn't you say something about
• 1:48:28
  it? Being the most haunted
• 1:48:30
  lighthouse in America is the most haunted lighthouse in
• 1:48:32
  America, which is apparently, a thing.
• 1:48:34
  I was gonna say I didn't know that there were like a list of
• 1:48:36
  yeah lighthouses. You're never going to get me
• 1:48:39
  into a lighthouse because I'm not going up 12.
• 1:48:42
  Flights of steps. Look.
• 1:48:43
  I kind of wanted to be like a Lighthouse Keeper.
• 1:48:47
  Then you'd be good at going up. The steps.
• 1:48:48
  Yeah. You tried to climb the steps to
• 1:48:50
  get up here? You were winded.
• 1:48:52
  Just look. Your steps are like steep.
• 1:48:57
  Okay. Are, aren't they freaking Steve?
• 1:48:59
  And I cannot leg day all the steps in Old buildings are like
• 1:49:07
  that, which is the same way they are in lighthouses.
• 1:49:09
  Well, I could probably grow up doing that, so it's different.
• 1:49:13
  Alright, I'll be a young lady housekeeper anyway.
• 1:49:18
  So this Lighthouse is located inside of the Point.
• 1:49:22
  Lookout State Park in Scotland, Maryland.
• 1:49:25
  It was used for, you know, mostly house things.
• 1:49:28
  You know, the warned ships of the, the, the shore and stuff.
• 1:49:32
  You know, hiding underwater Lighthouse.
• 1:49:34
  I'm hiding underwater, Utopias, or Being access to a Utopia in
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  the sky. You know, there's always a man,
• 1:49:46
  there's always a lighthouse D now that we've got a weird
• 1:49:50
  comment on her thing on. What thing.
• 1:49:53
  Someone thinks that Brian laundry is gay and that's why he
• 1:49:56
  killed gabbi petite. Oh my God.
• 1:49:59
  We're gonna start getting some of those kinds of emails through
• 1:50:01
  our website. No, please don't.
• 1:50:05
  I don't want to hear that shit. Back to the lighthouse anyway,
• 1:50:08
  you lost anyway, when I was reference to freak, In BioShock
• 1:50:12
  out. If everybody got that you played
• 1:50:15
  it before. Anyway, this Lighthouse looks
• 1:50:19
  cool. It's sticking out of a one and a
• 1:50:21
  half story house. It's awesome looking.
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  It's a I think it's red, right? Yeah.
• 1:50:28
  It was constructed in 1839. I don't really dive deep into
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  like I don't like, I don't like diving deep into the background
• 1:50:37
  of some things because I think, you know it Would be born.
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  Talk about what's it? The point.
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  The other point look out. Yep, Lighthouse Lighthouse.
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  Yeah, but you said looks creepy. Well, it's cool because it's
• 1:50:54
  sticking out of the house. It's so tiny.
• 1:50:57
  Yeah. Okay, I will go to that one.
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  Always huge. I think of a lighthouse.
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  I think of those like impossibly tall building.
• 1:51:07
  I know she's meaner horrible. Sorry, I'm sorry.
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  No, you're fine. Anyways, we yeah.
• 1:51:15
  I don't like diving deep because I think it will be boring.
• 1:51:17
  And who wants to hear me talking about boring things?
• 1:51:19
  We were talking about spooky things, okay?
• 1:51:22
  But it this like this is story is a funny story attached to
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  this one, like the, the history of, you know, all the keepers
• 1:51:31
  that were that lived there. So there's this guy his name was
• 1:51:37
  William would okay? Dude was known for being very
• 1:51:40
  clumsy. So clumsy that he broke a lot of
• 1:51:44
  the mirrors and Lighthouse. And his pay was withheld for a
• 1:51:50
  year. Wow.
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  A year here. Imagine not being paid like
• 1:51:56
  you're working, but you're not getting paid for any of that
• 1:51:58
  because you broke so much stuff. Yes.
• 1:52:02
  Oh, that's awful. So there's an incident where he
• 1:52:08
  allowed a cat to get into the lantern oil.
• 1:52:11
  One of the lantern oil barrels for Lighthouse and that had to
• 1:52:17
  be replaced, which only added more to his debt.
• 1:52:20
  So do was just like, he's just Very clumsy person.
• 1:52:27
  All right. Please head.
• 1:52:28
  That's wild though right here. Like you owe us.
• 1:52:33
  Your years pay like Jesus. I think on the website I was
• 1:52:37
  reading. It is said his his salary.
• 1:52:40
  Like what he actually like, got paid was like, $325, something
• 1:52:45
  like that? Well his hole.
• 1:52:49
  Thing as a keeper of Lighthouse. But that's what them deducting,
• 1:52:52
  all the stuff. Yeah breaking.
• 1:52:53
  Yeah, this is wild goodness. So I don't remember I don't know
• 1:52:59
  if you remember Maggie, satanists and Discord but during
• 1:53:03
  the Civil War, there was a lot of stuff built around this area.
• 1:53:09
  Well, Maryland area. Okay.
• 1:53:12
  Specifically Point Lookout, so there was a hospital built.
• 1:53:19
  On the coast, the cape, whatever.
• 1:53:23
  The point where ever, you want to call it wherever it is, Point
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  Lookout, is that There's a hospital of Medical Hospital.
• 1:53:29
  They're built for Union Soldiers, okay?
• 1:53:33
  In 1960, 1862 the Confederate soldiers were held at said
• 1:53:38
  hospital as well. Then a prison camp was built and
• 1:53:43
  a house poww soldiers. This was named Camp Hoffman.
• 1:53:52
  Okay. There are also rumors that the
• 1:53:56
  Keeper at the time kept prisoners there as well at the
• 1:54:00
  Lighthouse, okay? And when I say kept, I mean, I
• 1:54:05
  think they meant that they eat, like, either to keep her or the
• 1:54:09
  assistant Lighthouse. Keeper were Confederate
• 1:54:14
  sympathizers, so they, yeah. Yes.
• 1:54:18
  He, they would hide the soldiers in there.
• 1:54:22
  But what to say, Website. I read this on is like.
• 1:54:25
  Well, there are all like, there are psychics.
• 1:54:29
  I came in and he said that there were Confederate prisoners, that
• 1:54:33
  were being held there against her will.
• 1:54:35
  So I don't, who knows. Actually, I found a lot of these
• 1:54:43
  stories that I'm going to read to you about the lighthouse, in
• 1:54:46
  the encounters that people have dealt with our from, you know,
• 1:54:53
  the people W the the the PO W soldiers and you know, it's the
• 1:54:56
  same Civil War soldiers or just haunting the place.
• 1:55:04
  So apparently this p.o.w. Camp it was only designed to
• 1:55:10
  hold 10,000 people. Write a lot of people.
• 1:55:13
  Yeah, but guess what, you really tried the actually fed him fit
• 1:55:17
  in there around 20,000 people. So, very quick stuffed inside of
• 1:55:23
  that small living space. Okay.
• 1:55:26
  Living conditions were yes. Less-than-ideal author of The
• 1:55:35
  point that it's a book. It's a book is called Point.
• 1:55:38
  Lookout, prison camp for confederate for Confederates.
• 1:55:43
  Author is Edwin Warfield of housings of Burning.
• 1:55:48
  Sands and freezing, cold and rotten tents.
• 1:55:51
  It is a story of senseless shootings by guards, the story
• 1:55:56
  of Despair and death of 4,000 prisoners, many of whom could
• 1:56:02
  have been saved, Indeed, terrible times three had by a
• 1:56:08
  lot of people. Give me a sec.
• 1:56:15
  Well, that was some that was some fun background information,
• 1:56:19
  right? Yes.
• 1:56:20
  It's a. Lots of murder and death.
• 1:56:22
  Yeah. Just some a lot of bad prison.
• 1:56:28
  What I stopped. It's all.
• 1:56:30
  We're here. Hey everybody.
• 1:56:35
  So we had some technical difficulties this week during
• 1:56:40
  recording. So basically, whatever stories I
• 1:56:45
  was telling at the end, it got cut off.
• 1:56:48
  So here I am doing a solo and I'm just going to, I'm just
• 1:56:54
  going to like real a two stories for you about this lighthouse.
• 1:56:58
  And call it a day. And hopefully next week, we
• 1:57:03
  won't have any issues with audio.
• 1:57:07
  So the first one first story comes from Ranger at the
• 1:57:12
  Lighthouse, at that actually had to park.
• 1:57:14
  His name is Kevin hook and this happened in September of 1999,
• 1:57:22
  Wonderful evening. I was sitting in the living room
• 1:57:25
  and the small white house across the road from the fishing pier,
• 1:57:29
  the room face cells, and towards the road that the soldiers used
• 1:57:33
  to March into Point Lookout. My dog Timber was nestled at my
• 1:57:38
  feet alongside a friend's dog. As we set the thermometer showed
• 1:57:44
  a stifling 100 degrees my friend and I were talking quietly.
• 1:57:49
  When the two dogs ran panic-stricken into the dining
• 1:57:52
  room, both stood in the door and bark continuously into the oven
• 1:57:57
  like room, my friend and I were completely dumbfounded.
• 1:58:02
  All of a sudden the room turned bitter cold even though the
• 1:58:07
  thermometer still read 100 degrees.
• 1:58:10
  The room was Stone Cold in seconds.
• 1:58:13
  We could even see our breath when we excelled exhaled.
• 1:58:18
  It remained cold for about 30 seconds and then returned to its
• 1:58:23
  owner like condition what happened?
• 1:58:26
  Why did the room gets so cold? Hook still doesn't know.
• 1:58:32
  So that was a I guess a ghost had just walked through the room
• 1:58:39
  and made it all nice and chilly, even though it was hot outside,
• 1:58:43
  whatever. Anyway, Let me go to the second
• 1:58:48
  story. I got So this one is from The
• 1:58:56
  Point Lookout, Lighthouse.com, and it is titled, and man on my
• 1:59:02
  house, porch and spirit lights. It was the winter of 1996.
• 1:59:10
  I was 19 years old, a friend of mine had just bought a car and
• 1:59:14
  we had gone for a day trip to st.
• 1:59:16
  Mary's County. Well it was pretty aimless.
• 1:59:19
  We just kept driving that day away from Baltimore where we
• 1:59:23
  lived and we arrived in st. Mary's County around 4:30 that
• 1:59:27
  afternoon, we drove around and had dinner at a greasy spoon
• 1:59:31
  style restaurant. We noticed signs for paint St.
• 1:59:37
  A Lookout State Park and we decided to go check it out
• 1:59:41
  before heading home. We drove down the drive through
• 1:59:46
  the park. It was around 8:00 p.m., I guess
• 1:59:49
  it was very cold, so cold. It was hard to breathe eyes,
• 1:59:54
  would literally singe into wind, we drove down to the end of the
• 1:59:59
  road, where the point and the lighthouse were located.
• 2:00:03
  Now, I had never heard of the parks hauntings, so I was not
• 2:00:09
  looking to see or experience anything.
• 2:00:13
  He parked the car and I suggested we walk over to the
• 2:00:16
  water and have a closer. Look at the Lighthouse.
• 2:00:20
  We got out of the car to experience a steady freezing
• 2:00:23
  wind that made our souls shiver, we walked over to look out over
• 2:00:29
  the bay. It was a beautiful sight on a
• 2:00:32
  cold, winter, evening return and walked over to the fence.
• 2:00:38
  At the Lighthouse. We were right at the Gate of the
• 2:00:42
  fence looking at the Lighthouse. When we noticed something
• 2:00:46
  peculiar on the steps of the lighthouse, it appeared to be a
• 2:00:50
  man in a heavy coat, sitting there staring at the ground.
• 2:00:55
  We sort of froze in our tracks because it's dharwad us quite a
• 2:00:59
  bit since the lighthouse was completely dark.
• 2:01:03
  We stood there for probably 15 seconds when I suggested to my
• 2:01:07
  friend we leave just as we took our first step, the man raised
• 2:01:12
  his head and look at us, not wanting to seem suspicious.
• 2:01:15
  I said, good evening to the man, the man, suddenly Rose to his
• 2:01:20
  feet and turn to the door, my friend and I watched as the man
• 2:01:25
  walked, right through the door and disappeared into the porch.
• 2:01:29
  We stopped and looked for a minute to see if he was inside
• 2:01:32
  the porch. But he wasn't, I suddenly
• 2:01:35
  realized that he had just passed through the screen door and
• 2:01:39
  vanished on the other side. My friend was about as shocked
• 2:01:43
  as I was we sat there for a couple minutes to no avail.
• 2:01:47
  We decided he had seen, we have seen a ghost as we walked back
• 2:01:51
  to the car. We sat there, we sat in the
• 2:01:54
  heat, trying to give reason to what seemed to be an impossible
• 2:01:57
  experience. Then the next weird thing
• 2:02:00
  happened. As we were talking my friend
• 2:02:03
  suddenly yelled. Look I looked up and saw
• 2:02:06
  something that sent shivers up my spine.
• 2:02:09
  Something that looked like a ball of light was going inside
• 2:02:12
  the house and was Illuminating the porch we watched in
• 2:02:15
  amazement as the light flickered and then ceased the whole light
• 2:02:20
  show lasted for about 10 seconds, we couldn't believe it.
• 2:02:23
  You must have stayed for another hour but nothing happened at
• 2:02:28
  the. So I left.
• 2:02:30
  The next day, we went to the library and looked up books on
• 2:02:33
  The Point Lookout, Lighthouse. We were surprised to see so
• 2:02:37
  many. I read everything I could on the
• 2:02:39
  hauntings and was Spellbound that Monday.
• 2:02:43
  We called the park and asked them if anyone was living in the
• 2:02:47
  lighthouse and until is no. We told him what happened and
• 2:02:51
  they explain the haunting at the Lighthouse it was really
• 2:02:54
  something else. So yeah, that's another story.
• 2:02:59
  Not even like these are all true cows that people have reported
• 2:03:03
  about the lighthouse. Not even like stories that could
• 2:03:07
  be pasta. People who made up.
• 2:03:09
  Well, those are two. I'm ready for you guys, because
• 2:03:13
  my kids are acting up and I don't want to Keep them waiting
• 2:03:18
  any longer. So thank you for listening this
• 2:03:21
  week. Like I said, hopefully next week
• 2:03:25
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• 2:03:29
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