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Radio Night Live Travel Tuesday: The Importance of Fair and Balanced Reporting · That KEVIN Show

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  Speaker 1: From the birthplace of radio's greatest era, now from New York,
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  Speaker 1: it's Radio Night Live with Kevin McCullough. Unlike anything else
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  Speaker 1: on radio today, it's a front row seat for great
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  Speaker 1: information with today's leading experts. Travel with a third generation
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  Speaker 1: travel icon, Linda Perillo. The Fox News Medical All-Stars featuring Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Mark Siegel, Dr. Marty McCary, Dr. Jeanette Nishwat, and the.
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  Speaker 2: OG, Dr. Nicole Sapphire.
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  Speaker 1: Legal analysis from former prosecutor and court journalism superstar Imran
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  Speaker 1: Ansari and Christine Nicholas. The quintessential heartbeat to New York hospitality.
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  Speaker 1: All joining legendary broadcast pro Kevin McCullough on a mission
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  Speaker 1: unlike any other. United to bring back New York. Now,
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  Speaker 1: live from Studio 111, here's Kevin McCullough.
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome. It is Radio Night Live. It is
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  Speaker 2: Travel Tuesday. She's Linda Perillo and I'm Kevin McCullough. And Linda,
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  Speaker 2: it's good to see you. I think... Was it a
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  Speaker 2: week ago tonight or tomorrow night that we were on
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  Speaker 2: the boat together? I think it was I think it
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  Speaker 2: was tomorrow night, but it was.
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  Speaker 3: It was so much fun. I wasn't there.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's right. You weren't the one person not there.
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  Speaker 2: Christine was there and Hillary was there and you weren't there.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I'm sorry. I was not there.
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  Speaker 2: No wonder I couldn't remember. I was like, where did
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  Speaker 2: I see Linda? When did I say I didn't? Well,
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  Speaker 2: you were there. You were too good to be with us,
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  Speaker 2: I guess.
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  Speaker 3: Well, so guess what? That either means I am unforgettable
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  Speaker 3: because I'm always on your mind and you thought I
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  Speaker 3: was there.
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  Speaker 2: You obviously were.
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  Speaker 3: You channeled me.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: That's what it is. That's all I'm going to say.
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  Speaker 2: And my bride was not pleased because she was like,
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  Speaker 2: the year before, Linda and I were table buddies and
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  Speaker 2: we hung out the whole night. And she was like,
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  Speaker 2: that's not that's not cool. But so she she had
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  Speaker 2: she had to put up with Christine Nicholas. That was her.
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  Speaker 2: That was her table. That was her table buddy this
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  Speaker 2: this year. And she really forced herself through that. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: it was such a drudgery. That Christine invited she and
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  Speaker 2: the kids to come to House of Spells yesterday, which
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  Speaker 2: is the new store in Manhattan that has all the,
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  Speaker 2: it's like the fantasy universe. So they've got like a
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  Speaker 2: Harry Potter section and they've got a Marvel section and
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  Speaker 2: they've got all these things. And the kids had the
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  Speaker 2: day off, so they got to go in and be
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  Speaker 2: little models for the new Harry Potter sweaters for the fall. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: But that's how little they got along. Immediately, Christine's recruiting
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  Speaker 2: them into a gig. The problem with working with the
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  Speaker 2: people in the Kevin McCullough radio universe is that you
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  Speaker 2: guys are all such nice people. You're all friendly with
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  Speaker 2: each other. It's like a big family. We are. I'm
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  Speaker 2: like the great grandpa of a huge family, and I
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  Speaker 2: love it.
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  Speaker 3: No, don't say grandpa, Kevin.
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  Speaker 2: No, great grandpa.
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  Speaker 3: How about patriarch?
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  Speaker 2: Well, okay, come on. That's only like time immemorial. Abraham
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  Speaker 2: is the father. Nobody says Sarah is the mother of nations.
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  Speaker 2: They say Abraham is the father of nations. But having
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  Speaker 2: said that, I'm at church on Sunday and we lead
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  Speaker 2: a community group in our home where we have people
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  Speaker 2: come over like once a week or once every other
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  Speaker 2: week and we get together and we talk about spiritual
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  Speaker 2: things and we pray for each other and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: And this was the Sunday where at church, if people
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  Speaker 2: wanted to sign up to be part of community groups,
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  Speaker 2: the leaders were there in between the services to tell
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  Speaker 2: them about where they meet and what time and that
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  Speaker 2: sort of thing. And I walk in expecting to man
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  Speaker 2: my table and I get mugged by this lady who's
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  Speaker 2: got shockingly white hair. I felt like I needed to
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  Speaker 2: assist her over to her table where she was supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be. And she comes up to me and she goes, yes,
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  Speaker 2: I would like you to join our community group. She goes,
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  Speaker 2: we're a group of seniors and we meet once a month.
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  Speaker 3: Don't you love that?
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  Speaker 2: That's never happened before. I've always been the young guy
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  Speaker 2: everywhere I've gone. And I'm no longer the young guy.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I still throw out my AARP. male promos, Kevin,
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  Speaker 3: and I probably shouldn't because that's 55 and above, as
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  Speaker 3: you know. And they do have some great deals. I
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  Speaker 3: just cannot believe it.
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  Speaker 2: So I said, well, how old do you have to
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  Speaker 2: be to join the senior group? And she goes, oh,
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  Speaker 2: we're for everybody who's 60 years of age and older.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'm not 60.
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  Speaker 3: I would have died. I would have been like, no,
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  Speaker 3: I have one more year.
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  Speaker 2: Stop. I have four more years. Thank you. But I
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  Speaker 2: think that she just thought because I have no hair
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  Speaker 2: on top and everything that is there is gray and
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  Speaker 2: white on the side. I just think she assumed, oh,
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  Speaker 2: here's grandpa.
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  Speaker 1: He needs.
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  Speaker 2: He needs some community to hang out with, so we'll
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  Speaker 2: make it a bit.
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  Speaker 3: It's like Vincent Price is lurking in the background going, oh,
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  Speaker 3: they're coming for you.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: The journey of the thriller.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Well.
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  Speaker 3: It's time, Kevin.
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  Speaker 2: Having said that. It is time. Having said that, that
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  Speaker 2: was that was a type of speech I didn't necessarily appreciate.
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  Speaker 2: But I did. I did. And she when she when
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  Speaker 2: she realized that I was like, look, I've got teenage
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  Speaker 2: kids and we lead a group. I'm not going to
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  Speaker 2: join another group. And she goes, oh, even for one
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  Speaker 2: night a week? I'm like, no. No.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not old enough yet. A week? In my mind,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to be like, I'm not old enough for
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  Speaker 2: another 10 years. I don't want to join the senior
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  Speaker 2: groups when I'm 70. Right. I don't either.
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  Speaker 3: I don't either. Having said that, I do want to
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  Speaker 3: say something. You can have seniors and stuff. I and
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  Speaker 3: Christine Nicholas, you mentioned her. I was with Christine and
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  Speaker 3: I was with actually my son, Devin and Steve Edwards
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  Speaker 3: at the New Jersey Hall of Fame on Friday to
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  Speaker 3: try and get Mario in there. So we had to
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  Speaker 3: take Mario Papa. So the P.S. on this is that
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  Speaker 3: mall is freaking insane. That insanity that the American dream
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  Speaker 3: was like nobody in there. But walking from one end
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  Speaker 3: to another, you could die in between.
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  Speaker 2: No one would know. No, I would find the body weeks.
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  Speaker 3: I the body at Air May and nobody will find you.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what that's what that is. But the P.S.
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  Speaker 3: on this whole thing is go visit. It is amazing. Unbelievable.
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  Speaker 3: And you don't realize how many people, Kevin, have come
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  Speaker 3: from New Jersey, really, truly, that have made their mark
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  Speaker 3: in the world. I mean, it is incredible value. Take
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  Speaker 3: your kids. I'm going to take my kids back.
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  Speaker 2: So the New Jersey Italian American Hall of Fame is
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  Speaker 2: at the American.
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  Speaker 3: Not Italian American.
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  Speaker 1: Nope.
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  Speaker 3: It's the New Jersey Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, just New Jersey. Well, yeah. You know, it's funny.
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  Speaker 2: The only people I know that have been nominated are Italians. Well,
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  Speaker 2: there are a lot. A lot of Gano's in there.
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  Speaker 2: If your dad gets nominated, Perillo would be in there.
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  Speaker 2: Three Italians nominated.
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  Speaker 3: Why not, Kev?
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  Speaker 2: Sorry. Well, I'm saying it's fine. I just, I did
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  Speaker 2: not know. McCullough.
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  Speaker 3: Thomas Edison is, obviously.
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  Speaker 2: See, I didn't know he's in there. I'm just saying
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  Speaker 2: the people that I personally know that are in the
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  Speaker 2: New Jersey Hall of Fame. And we've been to, we
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  Speaker 2: go to the American Dream. We take the kids like
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  Speaker 2: at least once a year. No way.
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  Speaker 3: These are, Albert Einstein, Thomas Edison, they were all Jersey guys.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So, you know, it's real. That's what I'm saying. You
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't know. Like, you think of the bigger names, right? Like, Libs,
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  Speaker 3: Bon Jovi, Springsteen. You almost want to disassociate yourself because
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  Speaker 3: they gave great speeches. But like, you know where they're
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  Speaker 3: coming from, right? Danny DeVito. Fun guys. You know who?
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  Speaker 3: You would bet you didn't know this because I didn't
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  Speaker 3: know this. How about Jason Alexander? Did you know he
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  Speaker 3: was right here from Livingston?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, from Seinfeld. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, so many athletes and authors and Theravon.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, like, do you have to have been born
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  Speaker 2: in New Jersey or just lived in New Jersey?
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  Speaker 3: No, just lived in New Jersey for a certain period
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  Speaker 3: of time because my father was born in the Bronx.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm curious how Christine got nominated because she she's
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  Speaker 2: really made her bones in New York. And she grew
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  Speaker 2: up in she grew up in Brooklyn. She has made
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  Speaker 2: all of her fame is, you know, in New York City.
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  Speaker 2: But she's she was nominated and inducted into the New
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  Speaker 2: Jersey Hall of Fame as Christine. No, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's got then she's got to be in the Italian.
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  Speaker 3: She's not in the New Jersey.
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  Speaker 2: Come on. I can't keep these straight. How many halls
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  Speaker 2: of fame are there?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I guess there's an Italian American Hall
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  Speaker 3: of Fame. There has to be. Maybe that's got to
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  Speaker 3: get Mario in there.
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  Speaker 2: But Piscopo's in the New Jersey Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if he is. I'm not really sure.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe he's in the Italian American.
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  Speaker 3: Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, we're going to do some research on this and
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  Speaker 3: we're going to get back to you next week.
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  Speaker 2: So we won't sound like idiots. Right. Because that's what
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  Speaker 2: I sound like right now.
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  Speaker 3: Who won't sound like it? Wait, get back up there.
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  Speaker 2: Because I sound like it right now.
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  Speaker 3: Take the we out of this, Kevin.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you told me that they were in the New Jersey.
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  Speaker 2: You corrected me. You said I said Italian American Hall
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  Speaker 2: of Fame. He's like, no, no, no. It's the New
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  Speaker 2: Jersey Hall of Fame. OK, well, OK. So this I
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  Speaker 2: didn't know. We go to American Dream every year. We
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  Speaker 2: take the kids a couple of times a year. The
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  Speaker 2: New Jersey Hall of Fame is at the American Dream Mall.
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  Speaker 2: And you can go and see all these people that
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  Speaker 2: you just named. And they're inducted shrines and so forth.
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  Speaker 3: Exhibits. The exhibits are A.I. They're intense. Loved it. Yep.
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  Speaker 2: And well, if anybody deserves. to be in there, I
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  Speaker 2: think Mario definitely does. So we're going to be pulling
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  Speaker 2: for that. Got to take a quick break. She's Linda.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Kevin. It's Tuesday. Don't go anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: From New York, it's Radio Night Live with Kevin McCullough.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Welcome back. She's Linda. I'm Kevin. It's Radio
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  Speaker 2: Night Live and it's Tuesday. And because it's a Linda
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  Speaker 2: Perillo and a Kevin McCullough, we usually talk about travel.
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  Speaker 2: Why do we talk about travel? Because... Well, I edit
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  Speaker 2: the Passport Life newsletter, which has like two million people
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  Speaker 2: that open it every month. And Linda Perillo, if your
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  Speaker 2: last name is Perillo, you're automatically associated with travel anyway.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like you just it's just the natural thing.
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  Speaker 2: But sometimes we talk about other things. And Linda, your
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  Speaker 2: your education is in journalism, as was mine. I was
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  Speaker 2: a theology minor with a journalism major. And you were
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  Speaker 2: a journalism, journalism.
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  Speaker 3: No, criminal justice minor.
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  Speaker 1: Whoa.
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  Speaker 2: So criminal justice with journalism. So good thing that I've
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  Speaker 2: never gone to jail because you would know exactly how
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  Speaker 2: to throw the book.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And I visited Sing Sing, too. That was horrendous. OK.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever been to Alcatraz?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. You can't get into Alcatraz.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: But I've never been in. But I was just there
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  Speaker 3: in March with Devin and we took a tour around
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  Speaker 3: San Francisco on the boat.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And you could see Alcatraz. But we didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Not quite like Circle and Capri, is it? It's not.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, no, Kevin.
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  Speaker 2: Not quite.
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  Speaker 3: I want to.
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  Speaker 3: But listen, it beats looking out from Rikers Island, I
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  Speaker 3: could imagine.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there you go. Speaking of incredibly stellar places you
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  Speaker 2: want to be. So anyway, having said that, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if people have paid attention, but in the last
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  Speaker 2: 24 or 48 hours, there has been this debate in
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  Speaker 2: the field of journalism that is like ripping people stem
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  Speaker 2: from stern. And it is this... horrific reaction that everyone's
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  Speaker 2: having to president Trump temporarily telling CNN that he's revoked
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  Speaker 2: their hall pass. Um, basically he took away their parking privileges,
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  Speaker 2: their ability to bring a TV crew in and one
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  Speaker 2: seat in the press room because they felt like that
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  Speaker 2: CNN wasn't being honest in what it was reporting. And so, um,
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  Speaker 2: This is this is there's no guarantee that every press
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  Speaker 2: organization that applies for a credential is going to get one.
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  Speaker 2: And so they revoked it. And when you I don't
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  Speaker 2: think there's any question when you watch the primetime lineup
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  Speaker 2: of CNN and you watch the what's that African-American girl's
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  Speaker 2: name that does the roundtable? She's got like six people
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  Speaker 2: at the table every night. And it's somewhat split up evenly.
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  Speaker 2: But like Scott Jennings is on there and sometimes Joe
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  Speaker 2: Borelli is on there and some of some of some
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  Speaker 2: of my other friends. But there will oftentimes be flat-out
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  Speaker 2: dishonest stuff said that even some of the conservative commentators
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  Speaker 2: that are on the panel try to rebut and then
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  Speaker 2: they're shut down by the host or it's not allowed
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  Speaker 2: to be countered or whatever. And when that's the primetime lineup,
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  Speaker 2: then you factor in some of the stories and packages
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  Speaker 2: that they do where they just flat-out misstate things. And
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  Speaker 2: you're like, well, okay, I kind of understand why The
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  Speaker 2: administration's not so keen on letting someone who's going to
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  Speaker 2: come in misrepresent what happens and go out and blast
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  Speaker 2: stories about it everywhere. I can kind of understand their
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  Speaker 2: unwillingness to do that. Well, what I don't think the
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  Speaker 2: White House was anticipating was that ABC and CBS and
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  Speaker 2: NBC and Fox News were all going to, in solidarity,
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  Speaker 2: stand with CNN and and say, we're going to make
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  Speaker 2: sure that we send the message to the White House
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  Speaker 2: that they can't just willy-nilly revoke press passes. You know,
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  Speaker 2: the Obama administration and the Biden administration had also gone
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  Speaker 2: after outlets in a way that seemed, to me, you know,
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  Speaker 2: unconstitutional or at least inconsistent with what they had done
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  Speaker 2: in the past. And I turned up An entire list
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  Speaker 2: of things that I had forgotten about. At one point
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  Speaker 2: in time, Brian Stelter of what network? CNN at the
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  Speaker 2: time actually did make a suggestion and went on an
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  Speaker 2: open air campaign. on his show for the Obama White
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  Speaker 2: House to ban Fox News from all coverage of the
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  Speaker 2: White House, not give them any access to any part
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  Speaker 2: of government. The White House didn't revoke CNN's access to
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  Speaker 2: the Pentagon or to the Justice Department or to the
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  Speaker 2: other divisions of the executive branch. They just revoked the
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  Speaker 2: White House pass. Stelter advocated for Obama to do it
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  Speaker 2: for all access to all the areas. But that wasn't
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  Speaker 2: the only thing. They also spied on James Rosen. They
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  Speaker 2: tapped his phones. They went after his private correspondence. And
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  Speaker 2: this was all in advance of the Russiagate stuff that
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  Speaker 2: they were implicated in. And then there were a number
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  Speaker 2: of other, probably a dozen instances in which either the
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  Speaker 2: Obama or the Biden administrations took punitive actions against networks
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  Speaker 2: and said, Well, we didn't like this story that you ran,
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  Speaker 2: so you're going to you're going to pay for it.
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  Speaker 2: And this is what we're going to do. So to
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  Speaker 2: have all of this, you know, whining and moaning and
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  Speaker 2: belly aching and on the ground, you know, heaving like
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  Speaker 2: some sort of like demon possessed girl. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what these networks are doing. Like, why are they going
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  Speaker 2: to the wall on this? when it's just a hall
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  Speaker 2: pass for a couple of days just to send the
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  Speaker 2: message to CNN that you need to clean up, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you didn't do that for the other side.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think, Kevin, again, right, so what's
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  Speaker 3: the basic premise here that we're going back to? Basic
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  Speaker 3: constitutional premise that everyone likes to go back to the Constitution, right?
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  Speaker 3: Whether it's Here, in this case, it's free speech, whether
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  Speaker 3: it's the right to bear arms, all that stuff. However,
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  Speaker 3: what we don't tap into when when we use that
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  Speaker 3: as I'm going to say is an excuse. We don't
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  Speaker 3: tap into what has happened since. those words were documented
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  Speaker 3: to guide our country. A lot of things have happened.
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  Speaker 3: There was much more respect and protocol way back then
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  Speaker 3: for even your adversarial choice of candidate, right? So I
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  Speaker 3: think we were never as divided as we are now, admittedly,
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  Speaker 3: because I always say to people, I was never political, right?
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  Speaker 3: Until I had to get political within the past like
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  Speaker 3: eight years.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So when I was in college, I was also what
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  Speaker 3: we called a stringer. Okay, you know what a stringer is, right? So,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you get pennies on the dollar, too.
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  Speaker 2: But you file stories from where you are, and yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Right, and I did the police blotter and the whole thing,
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  Speaker 3: and we were trained, you know, with what was coming over.
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  Speaker 3: At the time, it was AP. When I was at Fordham,
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: it was like, what was on the AP? What was
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: coming over the wire? And the bottom line is this.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: We were taught significantly to be fair. When it comes
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: to news reporting... You need to be fair and report
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: the facts and not have a slant. And I don't know, really,
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: if a thousand percent that's been done. However, it has
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: not been done in the past eight years. Right. So
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: me as a layperson sitting on the couch watching television,
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: I can tell you, unless it's my background. I can
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: tell you, Kevin, right away, the slant this reporter has,
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: that reporter has, this commentator has, that commentator has. I
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: could tell you who they probably voted for just by
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: listening to how they present the story. And that is
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: what Donald Trump is trying to quash. You've got to remember,
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: he comes from old school everything. Old school business, as
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: you can see the way he's running the country. Old
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: school journalism. Old school politics. everything and i don't think
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: they're they are playing fair in the sandbox most of
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: the press kevin does not like him we know this
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: because most of the press i'm going to say 90.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Are libs well you're exactly spot on in that um
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: they did a recent survey and 92 of all coverage
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: of the white house across all the press was negative
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: she's linda i'm kevin it's uh tuesday stay here.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: And now, from New York, back to Radio Night Live,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: here's Kevin McCullough.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: All right, and we're back. Kevin McCullough, glad to have
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: you with us. Free speech in America, not really a
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: travel topic, but something that is of interest and something
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: that is now being really argued about. And, you know,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: it's interesting that you made that point just before we
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: went to break, Linda, because that was one of the
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: things that the White House cited was saying, look, if
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: 92 percent, when... For Biden, it varied over the course
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: of the administration, but the highest that it ever was
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: was 60%. and the lowest that it was was in
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: the high 30s in terms of negative coverage something tells
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: me that 90% and if you go back to his
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: first term it was comparable it was in the high
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: 80s to mid 90s something is not quite right right
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: there And, you know... Opponents will say, well, that's just
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: because his policies are that bad. Really? If that was
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: the case. See, here's the disconnect. And this is the
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: big problem. You had more people than have ever voted
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: in an election in their life vote for this president
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: in the last election.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: That I was just going to bring.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: He won the popular vote. He won the Electoral College.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: He won a majority of the states. He won in
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: every in every demographic that he won women. He won men.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: He won women. More African-Americans, more Latinos. You just go
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: across all the demographics. He outperformed every winning Republican and
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: every winning regular candidate for president in the history of
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: the country. So how can the press say that they're
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: doing a fair job and say that that that 90
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: something percent of their coverage is negative coverage? And that
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: they're reporting accurately what he represents to a people that
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: overwhelmingly ushered him into office. That is one of the
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: biggest disconnects to me. And the Biden percentages look a
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: lot more like real life. If 30 percent of the
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: country was highly critical of Biden, then that was probably
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: reflective of how how evenly the votes were, which it
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: was a very evenly voted election. Same with Obama. He
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: was you know, he did not have near the negative
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: numbers that Biden had even he had lower numbers. So
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: you're talking about a difference and a disconnect between the
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: population and what the press is reporting. And that's because
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: real simple. And you've already touched on this. That's because
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: the press is 90 percent of the worldview that agrees
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: with the other party. Yeah.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a thousand percent. And, you know, sometimes, especially on
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: a Sunday morning, you know, when you're waiting for like
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: local news to come on, you know, you watch a
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: little bit of like Margaret Brennan from Face the Nation.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: You know, she comes in. She does.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: She's so bad.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: She can talk. Oh, my God. She talks for 20
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: seconds and I go in my head. I'm cursing her out, going,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: girly girl, I know where you're going with this and
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: your Ivy League education. Like, I know where this is headed.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Why even bother having a discussion with anybody and face
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: the nation and having, you know, a forum when you
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: really don't have a forum?
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: But they're pretending they're pretending that this is all like.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Legit journalism. And this is my bigger point. And Nora O'Donnell,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: this last Sunday on 60 Minutes, she's doing a piece on,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: and this is something that I think there is legitimate
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: disagreement with across the country. She does a piece on
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: data centers and what they're going to do to communities
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: across the country. She goes to arguably three areas where
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: they're going to be impacted and And she finds the
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: one side that argues the one side of the viewpoint
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: that I'm pretty sure she agrees with and talks to
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: them and does the in-depth confessional talk to talk, you know,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: does the sound bites and has all the things lined up.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: The questions that she asked, I'm sitting there watching it
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: with my family and they know that I'm, you know,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: highly critiquing, you know, journalists that are doing the interviews
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: and so forth. The questions that she asked were softball
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: and lame questions. And she did not have any representation
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: of the other side counter-arguing whatever it was, the side
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: that she was presenting. So what do you get? You
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: get this hack job of this presentation that, in her situation,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: took one side of the data center debate and advanced
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: it through three separate interviews, three separate staging areas where
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: they talked to these people, but they only represented the
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: one side. Didn't talk to a single citizen or a
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: single person personally. that represented the countering viewpoint. And I
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: haven't even told you what the viewpoint was that she embraced.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: And that's why, you know, that what she did was
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: wrong because I didn't tell you which side she took
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: in what I just explained. And I'm not going to
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: tell you what I'm going to say is it was
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: so imbalanced that there was no way you could look
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: at it and go, Oh, that's good journalism. No, I
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: told my kids, I said, do you see how she
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: is framing this, how it's all like, and there's no
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: other viewpoint. Right. And they were like, yeah, dad, that's
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: not that doesn't seem. And my kids are very they're
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: they're very curious anyway. They want to know they want
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: to understand better, like what they're watching and they want
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: to know the details. And my 16 year old, my gosh,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: he wants to know the minutia of the arguments because
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: he wants to be able to, I think, discuss them
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: with his friends, you know, on his campus and so forth.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: But like they really want to think deeply and understand
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: the differences in the opinions. And I said, you won't
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: get that from this story because Nora O'Donnell didn't do
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: anything to give it to you.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Nora O'Donnell, no, she won't. And another one, you know,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: of course.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Hold on, hold that thought. Got to take another quick break.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: She's Linda, I'm Kevin. We're talking journalism on The Travel Show.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Stay with us.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Ooh, what a little moonlight can do.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: It's Radio Night Live. Here's Kevin McCullough.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Ooh, ooh, ooh. All right, we're talking journalism, fair coverage,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: what it means. It's not a travel-related topic, but, you know,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: sometimes Linda and I like to talk about other things. Linda,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: just before the break, we were talking about Norah O'Donnell,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: and you mentioned Margaret Brennan, and you had another follow-up
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: thought you wanted to add.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: I was, you know, listen, CBS is what's on in
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: my house usually. So I, you know, Gayle King, you know,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: she's another one, too. Like you can always tell like
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: where they're not presenting anything fairly. And the other thing is,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: if you notice, they never have on a guest that
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: doesn't side with them. They cannot give. Do you remember
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: old SNL podcasts? Point, counterpoint, Chevy Chase and Jane Kirk.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Well, they were making fun of Tucker Carlson and Paul
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Begala when they were on CNN.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Well, but the thing is, that's fair.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Let me hear what the other side has to say,
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: because you know what, Kevin? If you're intelligent and you're
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: open minded and you really have the best interest of
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: your country at heart. You are able to say without prejudice,
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: you know what? I'm going to think about that. I'm
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: going to chew on that. You may have a point.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: I feel like this, but, you know, you're bringing me
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: some information that I may have to think about. Now,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: is it going to change me politically? Am I going
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: to turn anti-Trump? Zero on that. The point is, it
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: is so left heavy, all of it, that.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: You can't avoid it. So it becomes and I feel
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: badly like your kids, right? My kids, you know, it
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: becomes a brainwashing for the youth because they're not getting
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: a conservative point of view ever. So I condemn today's press.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't want to be a journalist today. And that's
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: all I wanted to be was a journalist. I condemn
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: them for the way they are conducting this. And I
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: did not vote for Joe Biden. I did not vote
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: for Barack Obama. I never would. However, The respect for
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: them as a president and as a citizen of the
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: United States will always be there.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Because you respect the office. Because you respect the office.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: And we can, the beauty of what we have had
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: in America for the entirety of our existence is that
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: both with our military and with our population, we have
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: this peaceful transfer of power based on the will of
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: the people every four years. And we don't, We don't
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: break out in civil war. We don't we're not at
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: each other's throats. You know, we're not trying to kill
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: our fellow men who disagree with us. At least we're
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: not yet. It seems like that the really crazy far
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: left wing of the Democrats wants to change that. They
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: if you. If you see some of the polling that's
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: coming out now, the number of citizens in both parties
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: that condone violence to get their message across, in the Republican,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: it's less than 2% of the total population. In Democrats,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: it used to be less than 5%. It's now up
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: to like 20, 27% of Democrats will say, well, maybe
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: some violence is necessary to get your point across. Now,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: think about the change in that percentage. If you've got...
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: 300 million people and half of them are Democrat and
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: half of them are Republican. And you had 2% of
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: them that said, well, maybe we should use violence to
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: get our message across, you know, nationally. And now one
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: half of that equation has one out of every four
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: people that think that way. Holy cow, what's going on?
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Like something's happening on that side. And I think, and
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: this is where people are going to get mad at
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: me and that's okay. Send me the emails. I can
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: handle it. I actually think that the substance of what
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: the parties believe contributes to the welfare downfall of the
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: country and of the way that they actually think about things. So,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: for example, who are conservative Republicans for the most part?
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: They are people that think that if they if they
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: have a faith and many of them do, that God
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: is someone who lives outside of them and who is
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: bigger than them and has some authority over them. Um,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Democrats almost universally don't believe that they believe that if
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: they believe in God, they think that he's something that
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: is kind of like a toy or something that fits
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: in their pocket or someone, you know, their buddy that
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: they can just pray to whenever. But it's not something
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: that they need to take seriously. But there's going to
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: be a difference then from where that worldview comes from
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: and how you treat other people. The party of abortion,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: believe it or not, the party of abortion on demand,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: believe it or not, the party of abortion, what they
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: call post birth, which is not abortion any longer. That's
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: actual infanticide. Once the child has survived the abortion and
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: you let it die, then that's infanticide. But that party
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: is also the party that largely supported Lindsay Clancy and
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: was like, Oh, forget about, forget about the kids. We
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: got to support the woman. Well, wait a minute. There's
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: three dead kids there. The other side, the right, would say, no, look,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: those three kids are stamped with the image of God
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: in their DNA. They have the Imago Dei living in them,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: that their lives were valuable. We need to be concerned
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: about the fact that there are three innocents that were
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: murdered here.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: Nobody focuses on them. You're right. Nobody does.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: At one point in time, both parties believed that murder
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: was wrong. At some point in time, the Democrats began
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: to say, well, murder is wrong, except in the instance of...
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: And then fill in the blank if it's a pre-born child.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: If it's a very old person and they can be euthanized. Yesterday,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: there was a woman euthanized in Canada for the first
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: time against her written expressed will. And she had no
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: say over it. Like the court said, you're going, this
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: is going to happen. I think that that's a troubling development.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: In legal politics.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: But that's not where the Republican side is at. That's
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: where the Democrat side is at. Why?
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: They used to say, both sides used to say, murder
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: is evil. Now, one side says, murder is evil, except
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: for the instance of blah, blah, blah. And then they
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: fill in.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: Well, anything goes. Kevin, it's the generation of anything goes.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Well, if you don't have a restraining moral force like God,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: then anything does go. Because there's no objective truth. So
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: you have to get back to what is real, what
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: is true, who are we, why were we made, what
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: are we here for? And our society as a whole,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Republicans and Democrats, for the most part, we don't ever
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: ask those eternally big questions anymore. We don't ever say, well,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: what is my purpose in being here? Why am I
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: on this earth? What did God put me here for?
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: I think for me, it's to be a good husband,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: a good dad, train up my replacement generation. Hopefully they
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: will do well after I'm gone. Try to leave a legacy,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: try to make the world a better place while I'm here.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Those are kind of like the rough guidelines of why
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm here. But we never as a
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: society ever ask those questions. We do every now and
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: then when nine 11 happens, when October 7th happens, when
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: somebody gets shot, like a president or Charlie Kirk or
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: someone like when there's a, when there's, when there's something
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: tragic that we stopped for like a half second and
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: we go, Oh, what's life really about? And then faster
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: as you know it, we're back to just being hair
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: on fire, going 90,000 miles an hour and not really
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: giving it any thought. And I think that that's to
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: our detriment because we're not serious people anymore.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: No, and we're not God fearing people anymore. And I
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: always tell my kids, you know, no matter what, what
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: you believe in this country, we were founded on Christian principles, right?
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Every single one of our forefathers. And even though they
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: fought for the freedom of religion, which really the genesis
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: of that is coming over from England.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, hold this thought. We've got to take another break,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: but I want you to end on this.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: When we come back.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Stay here.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Once again, from New York, here's Radio Night Live and
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Kevin McCullough.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, my goodness. What an incredible conversation we've had tonight.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: And none of it's been on travel. It's been about.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: No, but I love it.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: And Linda Perillo and Kevin McCullough, you've gotten your ear
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: full tonight from both of us. Linda, you wanted to
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: end on a note about the founding fathers.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Yes, I did, because we need to go back to this.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: And even, you know, in Hamilton. Right. Well, Miranda, who
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: is very liberal and a great talent. I respect. Here
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: you go. I respect that. OK, we don't share the
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: same political views, but he's unbelievable. However, if you go
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: to see Hamilton, we learn so much about our forefathers
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: and what they did and their principles. This we are
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: one nation under God. Right. Right there. Pledge of Allegiance.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: One nation under God. And we are supposed to adhere
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: to those principles under God. And really, we were started
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: by a generation based on Christian principles, Kevin. And that
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: has gotten completely watered down. Okay, and I'm respectful of
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: the other religions that have, I mean, listen, how many,
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: we're 250 years old now, right? So other things have
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: come into play. However, when we're dealing with people like
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: that complete jerk, horror story in New York City and
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: we can elect someone like that to govern what we
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: think is a small faction. But New York City really
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: isn't a small faction because they are very New York
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: City is very important.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: I think it's a micro laboratory to the rest of
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: the country.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. When we can do that, what happened to us?
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: Us as a nation. He, to me, exemplifies all that
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: liberal stuff we were talking about. And unfortunately, what we
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: have fallen to. Yeah. Remember 9-11, his ancestors. OK, period.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Well, 25 years after, just to show you how far
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: we've lost our way, we actually elected a mayor who
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: is sympathetic to the viewpoint of the people that killed
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  Speaker 2: the Americans. I mean, it doesn't get right. Simple to
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  Speaker 2: understand than that.
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  Speaker 3: How do you do that? How do you do that?
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  Speaker 3: And the press, let me just say this. E pluribus unum.
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  Speaker 3: Remember that when you are reporting, right? We are one
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  Speaker 3: country trying to live here peacefully and make it work
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  Speaker 3: for everybody. And they have completely negated that fundamental phrase here.
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  Speaker 2: Really, which is what happens when you remove God from
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  Speaker 2: the equation. Absolutely. Which is my point. One body, one
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  Speaker 2: one party actually did. It was, I don't know, six
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  Speaker 2: now presidential cycles ago, took the took the under God
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  Speaker 2: out of their platform, took all reference to God out
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  Speaker 2: of their platform. And they have basically said since then,
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  Speaker 2: we're not going to be governed by anything that replicates
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  Speaker 2: a Christian idea of God. Well, okay.
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  Speaker 3: Until you eat it.
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  Speaker 2: That was the seed you sowed. This is the harvest
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  Speaker 2: that you've received.
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  Speaker 3: That is correct. And that is why, like, Mamdani is
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  Speaker 3: just a modicum of what could happen to this country.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: If we don't take conservative hold and we don't. And
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  Speaker 3: one thing I will say about our president, because I
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  Speaker 3: do love him. I don't agree with his mouth all
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  Speaker 3: the time, although I think he's hysterical. He will never waver.
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  Speaker 3: And that, to me, is an incredible example of somebody
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  Speaker 3: that's really standing for this country. He does not waver.
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  Speaker 3: He doesn't care who gets in his face. He doesn't
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  Speaker 3: care what you have to say about him. P.S. So
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  Speaker 3: now you have the press. Prohibitive press. I call it
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  Speaker 3: the prohibitive press and banned. And but he will never
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  Speaker 3: waver for this country. And that's what everyone needs to understand.
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  Speaker 2: All right. On that note, we've got to call it
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  Speaker 2: to an end. But it's been quite an hour. Linda Perillo,
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  Speaker 2: thank you. Gavin McCullough, see you tomorrow night right back
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  Speaker 2: here on Radio Night Live.