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Bullpen Special Edition: Let's Get Deep · Monday Morning Cubs Show

• 0:05
  SPEAKER_00: Good morning, good afternoon, and evening, Chicago Cubs fans, and welcome back to the Monday morning Cubs Show.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_00: Today is Friday, August 28th.
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  SPEAKER_00: We play the Cincinnati Reds today at 120.
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  SPEAKER_00: My name is Carl, and I am your host for today's show.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a solo show.
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  SPEAKER_00: Take a second right now, subscribe to the show, leave a comment, a review.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's a Friday solo.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_00: These have been long, these have been weird, be quite frank with you.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_00: And they've filled a good void.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_00: Today's show, a little different because we're gonna be specific and tactical about the bullpen.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I make promises how long the show will be.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how many minutes.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: I just know it this will be flowing much more directly uh and practically towards a purpose.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_00: And the big purpose for today's show, we want to talk about the bullpen.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_00: We want to talk about the bullpen.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm gonna explain why we're at a point where talking about the bullpen just makes all the sense in the world to me.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_00: Now to get there though, we have to obviously acknowledge a couple things.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_00: And that's we're not it's not great.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you lose a series to the Mariners, you lose a series to the diving backs, we get walked off, the bullpen, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and Philadelphia is up our ass.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they got a good whiff our ass.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_00: And we've said emphatically on the Monday morning cub show that the most important thing about the playoffs is guaranteeing a home field advantage if you're in the wild card.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_00: Because the concept of catching Milwaukee, they're playing great ball, they have such good pitching.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we do play them a lot.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_00: We said ball or strike, you know, we're out of the division.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: That's a ball.
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  SPEAKER_00: We still play Milwaukee a lot.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but so as you can tell immediately off the top of the show, we're compartmentalizing.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: We're just gonna focus on a couple things because what we're gonna do is we're gonna we're gonna say, here's what we know to be sure.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_00: And the stuff we don't know to be sure is mostly in the back of the bullpen.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_00: So when we start listening, here are the questions I have on my mind.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_00: Now, the first question people have though is are we freaking out?
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: Now, the answer to that question is no.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: We'll talk about that on Monday.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: Let's play the Reds this weekend.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_00: Let's get a 120 Friday on our belt.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody have a good day.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: You know, if you're at work right now, have a good day.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: If you're going home to something that's a shit storm, do the best you can.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_00: You know, if you got big plans tonight, enjoy them.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: Don't let the fact that Cubs have played bad baseball over the last week put you in a different headspace than if they played great baseball.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's hard to do that, but just don't.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_00: Just fucking don't do that shit, Tom.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: Tony, Bill, Joe, whoever you are, stay positive, please.
• 2:40
  unknown: Okay?
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: Stay positive.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_00: The true sauce, the true juice, it's been with us throughout the duration of the season.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_00: We had a horrible 30-game stretch in May, obviously.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_00: And then just the bounce back from this.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_00: So now again, when we play a bad week after I've watched a bad month this season, um, no, I'm I'm just refocusing here.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'm reframing, I'm staying positive.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'm getting ready for this red series.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_00: We know the brewers lurk on Monday.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and just if you guys hear Scotty Puppen barking in the background, that's my pup.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_00: We got a delivery man coming by the house today.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_00: So he gets fired up about that stuff.
• 3:17
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• 3:19
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• 3:25
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• 3:27
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• 3:30
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  SPEAKER_00: And honestly, I blame some of you guys for fast forwarding through the ad reads for why we went two and four last week.
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• 4:01
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• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: So hey, quick, before before we get to bullpen, obviously we got to tear ourselves up.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_00: Just a little pitch and catch exercise here.
• 4:17
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• 4:20
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• 4:28
  SPEAKER_00: So the first one, spicy watermelon, that's a classic PCA.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_00: That's just you have it until you see it, until it's in person, until you experience it, you know, you just don't.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_00: You just don't have a clue.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_00: And then you experience it and you go, that might be the best thing I've ever had in my entire life.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_00: And then people who don't experience it are gonna say you're crazy.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_00: And then they experience it and they go, Holy fuck, Pete Crow Armstrong is good.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_00: This spicy watermelon.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm going mango this week is Clay Holmes.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's a guy we we traded for a guy with a broken leg.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: You know, what did I say, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: When we got Clay Holmes, if this guy's healthy, the high end of a healthy Clay Holmes is as high end as anything we were gonna get at the trade deadline.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, so like, sure, Jeff Jefferson Rojas, go right ahead.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_00: You get to go play double-A with the Mets.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_00: You're a good player.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_00: Clay Holmes is so much more important than what we want to accomplish with this team right now.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_00: And he's so good.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_00: Do you guys get it now?
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_00: Do you see how weak that contact is?
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I said, just we don't knock on wood on Friday shows on any shows, we to be quite frank with you.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_00: We just do not knock on wood.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_00: I'm asking you guys to knock on the wood.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, keep keep Clayholm's health in mind.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_00: Keep that in mind.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_00: I know they're just fucking players.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_00: I know they're just baseball cards and numbers and a fantasy league, but Clay Holmes's guy, he's a regular guy.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_00: Gets up in the morning, takes a dump.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_00: Same thing as you.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he likes it, he likes a spicy watermelon just as much as you do.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_00: And a Mango Muerte.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_00: But he also likes you twist your ankle playing what?
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_00: You twisted your ankle playing co-ed softball.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_00: You're trying to bang that girl you worked with.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_00: She didn't fuck you.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_00: You know, she ended up blowing one of your friends one night out.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then she criticized him the next day at work.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, hey, your friends get small, you know.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_00: You're like, lady, in the meantime, you're trying to bang her.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's why you're playing co-ed softball.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_00: And you twist your ankle coming around second base, because the bases are put in Portly, of course.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's the Chicago Park District League.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you twist that ankle, you're on fucking crutches.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_00: You're complaining, you're aircasted.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and you emailed your boss that night.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_00: You're like, hey, Terry, I don't know if I'm gonna be in tomorrow because my ankle is is I twisted it playing co-ed softball.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_00: Clay almost broke his fucking leg playing baseball, folks.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_00: There's a human element to this.
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  SPEAKER_00: You want these guys to feel good.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_00: I want him getting to the ball like he feels slucky to be putting out the Cubs uniform, you know, pitching in front of 40,000.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_00: We have that.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_00: He's a man of morte.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_00: And then obviously the La Moma drone, Kevin Gossman and the two-pitch stuff.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_00: You can't just say enough good things.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_00: And how different those two guys are, where Gossman truly is gonna make you flip a coin.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_00: You know, is it heads or is it tails?
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why the swing of the miss on Gossman's just so hilarious because guys are intentionally making the decision before the pitch comes in.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_00: I'm getting a split.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's why he throws a fastball and you're seven seconds behind it.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and then the times when you go, I'm getting the fastball, and you swing 70 feet over the ball.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's because you're literally in a guessing game.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: Clay Holmes, people are trying to react.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you can't react to Gossman.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: You can't go in there and go, I'm gonna see a pitch and hit it.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_00: Because the pitches look identical, they do two different things.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_00: Your best bet is to just fucking hunt, guess.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: Clay Holmes, you're like, please make mistake.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_00: Clay Holmes, you're like, please spin a slider over the middle of the plate.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: He's elite.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: This is good stuff.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: So let's get out, let's get out and start building into some of these blocks, some of these thought blocks I have, so that we can be better served when we're watching the Cubs and we think about you know, where is this going?
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_00: Now, again, Philadelphia is up our ass.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_00: We gotta play good baseball this weekend.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: You know, then we got the Brewers next, and then we got the Brewers again in September.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_00: We have we just have, you know, we have the opportunity to completely bomb, to be honest with you.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_00: Then I'm gonna go back and say the team won't because the team doesn't bomb.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_00: The team, they had the bad stretch, they played great baseball.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_00: We've seen everything we need to see to now look at this team and go, you've already bombed.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_00: You're kind of in the process of bombing a second time.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_00: Not not with Bregman as good as he is right now, not with Nico Horner, the best second baseman in the second half of baseball.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_00: Not with Pete Crow Armstrong redefining statistics.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_00: Not now that Craig Console has figured out how to platoon Ian Happ so we get more effective played appearances from him without giving away the fucking bag against left-handed pitching.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's a lot of things here, guys.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: We've we've developed Michael Bush.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_00: We, he has developed himself.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_00: The Cubs have given Michael Bush the opportunity, he's taken advantage of it to where he comfortably hits fourth.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: Now we get blanked against a lefty the day he hits four.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: But would we talk about all off season the start of the season?
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_00: Michael Bush against lefties, what are we gonna do?
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's fucking late August and he's sitting clay up.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: Now that in the same respect, a little bit of an indictment as I talked on the lineup preview, I should say.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that I do want my cleanup hitter against a left-handed pitcher of the major leagues to have a to have great splits against lefties.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: Now, Bush is good enough.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: Bush is good enough.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_00: Now I'm now I'm gonna argue my I'm gonna argue myself back and forth on this.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna forget what I'm fucking talking about.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_00: My my point is that we have known things across the field.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why we're gonna talk about the bullpen today.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_00: That's why I'm fine going, I know Philadelphia is good.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: Unless they're playing at Wrigley today, I'm not getting into Philly.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I Eduardo Rodriguez shoved it up our ass.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: Every three years he pitches like a number one.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: This is one of the three years he's pitching like a number one.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_00: He just shoved it up our ass.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: Which, if again, if you're paying attention to stuff, probably doesn't surprise you.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_00: You probably looked at the getaway game, you saw Eddie Rodriguez on the mount for the diamondbacks, you went, this one could be a little tough.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_00: Now, what also sucks is I believe it's I believe it's almost impossible.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: And as I'm saying, two of four, it's like I think it's almost I think it's almost impossible Um to take to take what's happened over the last couple games and start to draw conclusions about the team that we have.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_00: This it's a challenge because if you're a real Cubs fan, you watch them every day, you're obviously you're getting pissed off, you obviously you want them to win.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, all that stuff matters.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_00: But again, it's just the encouragement of just taking a step back, get a whiff of some fresh air.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_00: That's why we're gonna talk about a little playoff bullpen stuff here.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: Now, people may not like the bullpen thing or the playoff concept, so maybe that's a jank.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_00: So we'll just say, let's just talk late season bullpen.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_00: Where's the bullpen headed now that Palency's back?
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_00: I see names all over the place.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: You know, somebody yesterday somebody's asked me, is Shelby Miller gonna start for us?
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's like okay, obviously, people are we're all we've lost our fucking minds.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I I've heard people say Jackson Wiggins, you know, coming up, gonna make an impact.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: This way I gotta reel, I gotta reel everybody in.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a I'm an Australian sheepdog right now.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just reeling you guys in.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_00: Am I smart?
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_00: No, I'm a dog.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'm instinctual.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'm trained on the process here, folks.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_00: Okay?
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: You guys are you guys are the ones who matter.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_00: You're you're the you're the valuable fucking commodity in this exchange here.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just here to make sure you don't step on the barbed wire.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm just making sure you don't get poached, killed, stolen by a fucking greasy cattle rancher.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just here to make sure no bad shit happens and that we all have a nice fucking day.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_00: I but at the end of the day I'm a dog, I'm a moron.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_00: All right, I'm here to shit, eat, sleep, that's it.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_00: And hurt.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: And so let's herd, let's get together on this.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: Because when I look at this pitching staff, I like a lot of things.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_00: I love a lot of things.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, I'll I'll say right now Gossman Clay Holmes, one-two in a playoff rotation, can absolutely beat the Dodgers.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_00: Matt Boyd is a three.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_00: Do you have do we use David Peterson for two innings in a game four for three innings in a game four?
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_00: Do we use an opener and then go to Peterson in a game four?
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_00: You have all that depth, you've all you have all these options uh while you have these pillars at the very top between Gossman and Holmes.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we bring in the mercenaries, they're delivering under the premise that this is a World Series caliber roster.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: I you're seeing it from them.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: So we're just gonna keep building these blocks.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: We know we're getting to go back to the infield.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_00: First solid, second solid, third base solid.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: Craig Council is sunsetting Ian Haps' full-time role in the platoon because the day is gonna come where Craig's gonna go, you're on the bench, Ian.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: And then it's gonna be a big game.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_00: Some of you guys are gonna celebrate it.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we're locked solid in center field.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: I feel great.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: I feel I I feel great about the combination we had between Suzuki and Confordo playing right and how we mix the DH and all that shit.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: Our catching's fine.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: Carson Kelly's gangster veteran, knows the ABS system inside and out.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_00: So, like, the gap there is what?
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: Dan is Dan Z.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: Swanson gonna be healthy for the playoffs?
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_00: Probably, I would guess he's in phenomena, his his body is phenomenal.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: I know he's hurt now.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but like that's a guy where the trainer says, here's over the next, if you want to get healthy the next four weeks, here's a list of all the stuff you have to do.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_00: So Dan Zwanson's gonna do it perfectly, right?
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: He's gonna say, Hey, you show up at 6 a.m.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: to the trainer's room, you know, we're gonna do these exercises for an hour, then we're gonna ice you, you know, then we're gonna massage you, which sounds pretty nice to be honest with you.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_00: I could use a rub.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but they're gonna put them through a process, then they're gonna ask them to do exercises.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: They're gonna say, when you go home, make sure you sleep on your left side.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_00: You there it's just like a list of shit.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: How many people is this have had to do physical therapy or then through a process where it's like you gotta follow it?
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: Now, the more you follow it, the closer you do to shit, the better off you are.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: So there's your silver lining with an oblique, a Danzby oblique.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: Your silver lining is if someone's gonna be injured and they're gonna have to come back from soft tissue, soft tissue, I'm not operating on soft tissue.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not you're not shaving bone spurs on soft tissue, folks.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: You're not casting up soft tissue.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: Soft tissue, you gotta get better, you gotta work that shit better.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_00: So we've I'm I'm being dead.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_00: You guys think I'm crazy, I am, but I'm being dead fucking serious about this right now.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: If I could pick one guy on the Cubs roster to go soft tissue, quick bounce back, ready for the plus, Dave Swanson, not even close.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's not even close.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: Don't ask me if there's a second name on a fucking list because there's only one name, it's not even a list, it's just an index card.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: And in large black, bold fucking font, it says, number one, Danzby Swanson.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: And then in the bottom, in small subscript and smaller font, it says, Don't ever consider putting another person on this list, and if you do, I'll fucking kill you.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know who wrote that, but I'm just reading the card right now, and I'm saying it's not a list, there's just one person, his name is Danzby Swanson.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: So that's what that's where we're getting into the fact that I'm trying to introduce uncertainty about our makeup.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_00: So tell me where the question marks are at.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: Are they in the lineup?
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: When Craig puts out the lineup, are you guys going, why is Pedro Maris in seven?
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_00: When he puts out the lineup, are you going, I hate Braggman in three.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_00: I don't like Bush.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_00: I think everybody's kind of sees the lineup, they go, okay.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: I I think everybody kind of sees that.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: I think some of the questions go where?
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: They're in the bullpen.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: The place where people the conversation that needs to happen is in the back end of the pitching staff.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's not because we're blowing fucking games against the Diamondbacks, and I gotta watch the F-word, but this is where I start to get passionate and I really get into my head here.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't want to slow down, but I do want to I do want to be a little more polished here.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm asking you, your listener to the show, where do your questions lie with this team?
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't say where are your questions about the team.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: I said with the team.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: With the team.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not asking you what your questions are about the schedule.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not asking, do you give a do you think we'll catch the brewers?
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: We'll get there later.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: We play them next week.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: You know where are your where's your where's the uncertainty?
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: I have the schedule.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: I know the bases are 90 feet.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's sit it's 60 feet six inches to the mount.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's 360 to 368 to the gaps.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: I got the dimensions, I know we're bringing the hats, or the you know, the hats and the helmets, the bats, the gloves.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: I I got all that shit figured out.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: I'm asking, what do we not know yet about this team?
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: Or what's the stuff that still has to be decided?
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: And the answer to that question is who would pitch game four in a seven-game playoff series?
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: That's a question we can't answer right now.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: I can tell you who get was game one, game two, game three.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: I have an idea about game four.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I don't know is today.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: We play the Reds.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: Who saves the game?
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_00: If if it's a if who gets a save situation, say it's four to two, top nine, nobody on, nobody out.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: We're bringing somebody in.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: Who is that?
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: Who?
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not asking this ain't rhetorical.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: I'm legitimately asking who.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: Now I have a couple ideas, but what I don't have are concrete answers, and that's what that's that's where we spend our time, folks.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have the concrete answers, we're gonna see it.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: So let's talk about it.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so here's what I believe.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: I I believe that if Daniel Palency is healthy enough to be on the big league roster, then the only situations he should be pitching for the rest of the season are safe situations.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to see him in an eighth.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: I don't I don't give up I it makes sense when he's coming back from injury to give him a little taste.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: Here's a little low leverage taste to get you back comfortable with being on a mound.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: Now that makes sense for most guys.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_00: For Palencia, I don't think that's how it works for him.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: For Palencia, I would much rather just say as soon as he gets back, because you're going through the you're going through the rehab shit, dude.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_00: You had to go to Iowa, you had to go to Tennessee, you know, you're in the fucking operating room or whatever.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: You're you're on the table with the trainer, they're rubbing the tire mom in your elbow.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they're they're shoot they're injecting you with with some clear fluid you don't fucking know how to pronounce.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: You don't bunch of X's and Zs and fucking C Y L is in there.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: Zill is a zilophone.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this will make you this will make you feel good.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: Pump me up, doc.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_00: We go my point is if you're hurt, you're rehabbing, you're you're in the lab working on yourself.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um you get back to the big leagues, like for Palencia, for a guy like Palencia, who's all gas, no fucking brakes, right?
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: Who's pitches with I I would say as close as you could pitch with like a blind rage without it without exhibiting blind rage characteristics.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: So like I won't go as far as wild thing, Mitch Williams, or any of that shit, but he's all 100% coming at you with the four-seam fastball.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: As much as he's got it.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: Premium octane.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_00: And so I don't think that's a guy you go, okay, let's get you up to speed.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I was for.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: Now I understand counsel.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: Here's a low-leverage taste.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: You know, so you're just comfortable back on the mound.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: I get why that's something you do.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm saying I don't think that applies to Palencia.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I don't know Daniel Palencia, I just watch him like you guys.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm thinking if he's back on the big league roster, right?
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: If he left the big league roster on the I.O.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: injury, then gets back on the big league roster, isn't he the closer?
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: What's the argument there?
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_00: Webb goes 24 scoreless, Webb carries the load in July, Webb sensational on the stretch in August.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: So do you give up a hot hand because it's Palencia's role?
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I think this is a similar comparison to the backup quarterback versus, you know.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_00: Listen, don't ever break Tyset Badgett into this house over Caleb Williams.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: You know who I'm talking to.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: What I'm purely saying is when the backup's playing well and the starter comes back from injury and is like, well, the team's gone six and one.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Team 7-0 under the backup.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know, who had to do that?
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: Was it did Cordell Stewart have to do that with Mike Tomzak?
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: Wasn't there some bullshit with that?
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: So That's right with Palencia.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: My point in going back to this, I understand why he's pitching medium leverage, Anything 4-0.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: And that double from Arena, and now we're getting specific.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's like that just happens.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: Those are baseball gods.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: That just whatever.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_00: To fucking check swinging double.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, great.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: We lose that game.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: Fine.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: Today's Friday.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: We play a game in three and a half hours.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: When Palencia takes them out, like when Palencia goes into the bullpen at Wrigley Field today.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: I'm saying this.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: I believe he should be walking in that bullpen.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: He's the closer.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: I want the sound guy, the music guy, I want Dami Moscasolina all fired up.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: I know it's a day game, but I want the light show anyways.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: I want the light show.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: I want the full dog and pony closer experience.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: I want it immediately.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_00: No, why?
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_00: Because if, yeah, if my grandma had balls, she'd beat my grandpa.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: But if this season will be successful, turns into anything worth his shit, you're gonna need a closer.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: You're gonna need a good closer, you're gonna need a high-leverage, ninth inning guy to shut doors in the most pressure situations that the sport in the season has to offer.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, then you go down the roster and you go, I appreciate Jacob Webb has stepped up and delivered when we didn't have a closer.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: But our closer's back, guys.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: Okay?
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: Our closer's back.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: He's back and he's the closer.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: And it's the end of the fucking story, and just do that.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what they just fill in the blanks.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's kind of the I should have said this off the top.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: That's what we're trying to do here at the show in talking about the bullpen, the back end as we get down on season.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: Because again, I don't need to fill in blanks on the infield.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: I know what the lineup looks like.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: I know what to expect from these guys.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: I know they'll get blank to come out and hang 10.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we we've seen everything we need to know about the lineup.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: All right, and then since the trade deadline, I think the starting pitching has materialized so quickly and so concretely uh that like I sleep well at night when I think about our starting pitching.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_00: So now we're just putting a puzzle together.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: And the puzzle is the bullpen.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: In the first piece, when you put the puzzle together, you're looking for the four corners.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: You gotta find the four corners so you can build a border.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: Anybody who's made a puzzle and doesn't start with the four corners, do not trust that motherfucker.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: I was a bad F word.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: Don't trust that guy.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: I don't trust that guy.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: I start with the four corners, and the four corners in this bowpen conversation are Daniel Palencia, a big Venezuelan bastard.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's where the conversation starts about the bullpen.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm gonna take the four corners, I'm gonna go.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: Here's my closer, it's Daniel Palencia.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: Now, tell me I'm wrong, Craig.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: Tell me why.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: Now, effective now, he doesn't get the save situation.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: Well, he's not ready.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: Well, how does he get ready then?
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: Can someone explain to me how you get ready?
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: If you're gonna pitch the ninth game one of an NL wild card series in a one-run game, when do you get ready for that?
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think it's just he got up that day, had a nice bowl of oatmeal, sunshine the right way, not a fucking cloud in the sky.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: Daniel Palency feels good, he's gonna go pitch good.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's like playing an instrument, dude.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: You you gotta be so deep into it, you're not even thinking about it.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: You don't even like, how'd you do that?
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, I don't know, I just do it.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_00: This is what I do, this is how I do it.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: Start with the closer.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_00: Now we have Palency as a close.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: Now, people can argue with me or disagree with me, I suppose.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: The the purpose of this show is is not to debate the the decisions, it's more to say, here's what I believe, here's my conviction in the belief, here's some weaknesses in that belief, here's some opportunities, and knock that down.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: But ultimately, when we measure it together and I put it on the scales of baseball justice, I'm finding the balance.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so I understand there's people going, get Palencia out of here, I'd rather see Jackson Wiggins and my blah blah blah.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_00: We're getting there, folks.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: We gotta build the puzzle.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: The corners here though, right, are you got it, Daniel Palencia.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_00: Now the picture on the box is what are we working towards as an entire complete pitching staff.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's a great picture.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's not really that hard of a puzzle either because we have got great starting pitching at the top between Holmes and Gossman.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: We do those guys are those guys will give you six in a playoff series.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: They'll pit I'll guarantee you these guys are pitching at a sixth inning of every playoff game they'll start.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_00: So now we're crunching down, and I'm going, this whole bullpen, which obviously over 162, you know, everybody gets a taste.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: But now we're thinking about towards the end of the season, last week of the regular season into the playoffs.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_00: You know, typically when you show up to the you're the bullpen, typically you're you're thinking, we're probably gonna have to record 10 outs today.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: I would say on average, 10 or 11.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: You know, where game's going these days, 11 and a half.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: Outside average.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: So who gets outs?
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: Now, most bullpen guys they get three outs.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: I get four outs.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: That most guys.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: Now, this may not seem like a big deal to you, but in back-to-back subsequent games and over like the two-week stretch I'm defining down the stretch into what should be playoff baseball rookie field, the outs you're gonna ask in the bullpen are gonna are gonna shrink a little bit.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: We're we're trying to source where those outs are.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: Now I'm gonna say three of those outs in the ninth inning in a safe situation, which is really the situations you care about the bullpen.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: Those three outs belong to Daniel Palencia.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: Alright, now let's further assume that you know, regular season baseball compared to playoffs, you get more adrenaline in the playoffs, you get better starting pitching.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_00: You get more adrenaline in the playoffs, that's why you get worse hitting.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: That's why the pitching in the defense outperforms in October historically, generally relative to regular season averages almost every single year.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, it's also because the talent in October is better, and when there's more talent on the pitching staff, you know, that leads to lower runs.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: So uh obviously all that stuff adds up.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: But what I'm what I'm trying to make sense of here is in a regular season game, I'm gonna look at the starting pitcher and I'm gonna say, please get me 17 outs at least.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_00: Please.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: Please register two outs into the sixth inning.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: Please do not make us get to the bullpen before that time.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: I can stomach a reliever coming in with two outs in the sixth inning.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: I cannot stomach a reliever in the fifth.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: I can't, it just it can not or to open the sixth.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: That bothers me.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: Because now you're looking at it, now we're gonna use four relievers.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: So in an ideal world, we're using three relievers.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_00: In an ideal world, maximum you're seeing four pitchers.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm gonna again go back, one of those pitchers is the closer, and he's got the last three outs of the game.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, the other pitcher is the starter, and let's just say conservatively, I'm gonna ask for 17 outs.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna ask for you to go five and two-thirds.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: That Gossman and Holmes will outperform that.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_00: Matt Boyd may not.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: That's where the balancing act comes in, so I can go fine.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: Fuck it, 17.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'd rather ask for 18, I'm gonna say 17.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_00: Now, this could be two in the weeds for you guys, but it is the Monday morning cub show, and this is how I like talking about baseball.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: So uh, yeah, I understand this ain't for everybody, but but if you're with me on this, we're gonna build some good progress here.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: So if I'm gonna ask the starting pitcher to get 17 outs, and I'm gonna say the closer is gonna get me what, three.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: So now I have 20 outs, 20 of the 27 outs required to win a baseball game.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: So then those seven outs are now distributed across seemingly an impossible pool of bulk of relievers to predict.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: Whether how they're gonna perform, who Craig Council's gonna use, you know.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_00: So let's get into some of the meat and potatoes because I went through this.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_00: There's injuries, there's there's people are rehabbing, Justin Seals coming back, Shelby Miller, Hunter Harvey, Phil Ma.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: Is Phil Maton dead?
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_00: You know what about Hobie Milner?
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't heard that name in a while, and I thought Jackson Wiggins was a top 100 prospect.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: Can someone please explain to me what in the ever God loving fuck is going on with this bullpen?
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna I'm gonna give you, we're just gonna go name by name, and then I'll I'll address how I think this person fits into that seven out question that we have.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_00: That's the question.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_00: Now to ask this question again, we're making some assumptions.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_00: Assumption one, Daniel Palency is our closer.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_00: David Palency is signed up for the three outs.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_00: Now, whether he gets them or he doesn't, those three outs are his, and they're nobody else's, they're his.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, some of some of the other assumptions is we're we're talking about a game where Clay Holmes or Kevin Gossman starting in in a must-win end-of-season playoff scenario.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so not just only saying playoffs because you know, obviously we bomb, we miss him.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: Crazier shit's happened in my lifetime, but I start getting in here talking about how we're gonna pitch in the NLCS.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: We miss the playoffs.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: I'm walking off a fucking bridge.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: Where's Carl?
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: Bottom of the cal sack, you know, just just just felt like a sack of bricks.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: Didn't see any fight a lot, any any fight from this guy or signs of life once he hit the water, just body right to the bottom.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, that's that's where that's where I'll go mentally.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I won't actually do that.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_00: And and no one do that.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_00: No one ever hurt yourself.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: We I love you.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_00: Hear it from me.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: I fucking love you.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: If you are if you're a maniac and you're listening to this show, I love you.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_00: Even if it feels like the rest of the world doesn't, I promise you I love you.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: So, and I want, and that's a mess, all maniacs.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_00: We're in this together, pal.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: So I got any of you guys out there not feeling good about yourself.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_00: Fuck that.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_00: We're you got buddies, you got all of us.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: You got every single maniac's with you.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: All right, nobody's jumping off the bridge.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's just a bad euphemism where I'm saying I don't want to go to the mental headspace where I spend all this time talking about the playoffs, and then we fucking blow it.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_00: So that's why you're getting this wrinkle in today's show about late season into playoffs.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's a it's a tribute to baseball gods.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'm paying my respects.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: I know those guys watch and listen to everything that people are saying about their team, and they have no restraint when it comes to striking your ass down.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_00: So, out of respect to those guys, no.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_00: Late season into October.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: Should we get the privilege to play playoff baseball?
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'm looking for seven outs.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm looking for seven outs of back-to-back days.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_00: I need a Monday and a Tuesday, I need 14 total outs.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: I know Palency is gonna close.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_00: I know Gossman or Clay Holmes is on the mound.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: That's the scenario I'm talking through.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: We've got back-to-back games, the 14 outs.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_00: So keep that, just put that on the table over there.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: 14 ounce, that's over there.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: All right, if we're doing yard work, the 14 ounces that's cutting the grass.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_00: Now put the lawnmower there.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: We gotta go weed whack for a second.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_00: And in the weed whacking, we're gonna talk timeline people coming back.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_00: So here are the guys in the bullpen coming back.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_00: Holby Milner should be back.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: He's basically finishing up whatever it takes for him to get back.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_00: Now, that's a lefty who Cred Council likes a lot and is is likely more effective at this point than a Caleb Thiel bar.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: Now we talk other lefties, someone's gonna say Justin Steele.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: So Justin Steele is doing okay right now, from my understanding.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_00: He feels good.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: The problem with Justin Steele, and and I mean this with the utmost amount of respect, he's so competitive that he will say he's healthy when he's not.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: Do you understand what I mean?
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: He's on the rehab progression, he's he's so competitive and wants to be on that mound with this team so bad.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, how's that feel?
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, good.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: No, I feel good.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, great, I'm ready to go.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_00: He's probably been asking, can you guys can I just go to South Bend and throw an inning?
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: What if I'll drive myself to Tennessee?
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like he's a psychopath, is what I'm trying to get to.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_00: So the way you kind of measure the Justin Steele uh return timeline and how he fits in is be mindful of the fact that like any sound bite from Justin Steele, any interview from Justin Steele, any primary source of information about how Justin Steele feels is going to be inherently biased by his competitive nature to represent that he's prepared, he's gonna come back, he's just shove it up their ass.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I'm not saying he is hurt or anything, I'm saying take all that with a grain of salt, where you really can figure out where Justin Steele's at in the rehab process is purely just from are they letting him throw pitches on a mound?
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so when the rehab assignment starts, the only thing we care about is how many pitches did he throw, how many pitches did he throw, how many pitches is he throwing next time out?
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_00: Because the quality of the pitches are there, the stuff's there.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_00: He's got a unique way he holds and releases his fastball so he has natural cut.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_00: Stuff you can't teach, stuff you just do.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_00: Why?
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_00: Because when he was a kid, he's skipping rocks in the fucking golf.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's just shit like that.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: That stuff happens in baseball.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: Where's he at?
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: Where does he fit in?
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_00: Now, ideally, he would come back, he would pitch probably mid-September, get like seven or eight innings into the playoffs, and then he becomes this interesting in a pinch jam situation guy.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: Runners on first and third, one out.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: Justin Steele, we'll get you the double play.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_00: He has a remarkable capacity to execute uh in high-leverage situations.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: He has across his career.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: Go look at the batting averages, his batting average split with runners in scoring position in less than two outs compared to the batting average split, nobody on, nobody out, leadoff hitter of an inning, is the difference between not having a major league career and being a hall of famer.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's how big the gap is.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: Hitters against Justin Steele with nobody on, nobody out to lead off an inning are babe fucking Ruth compared to the Jeff Mathis that uh the Jeff Mathis slash line that's generated when runners are in scoring position in less than two outs.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_00: Then Justin Steele turns into Walter fucking Johnson.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's a bad F word.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_00: So why do we like that?
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_00: Is because I'm talking about seven outs, 14 outs and back-to-back games.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know, wait, let's be honest here, guys.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_00: At least three of those outs we're gonna want over that two-game stretch are are gonna be like clench your butt cheeks moments.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's where Justin Steele can fit in.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_00: I don't like the idea of him working a clean seventh inning.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: He's never done that.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_00: He's he's never he won twice.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_00: He's not that guy, doesn't have he doesn't even have that experience.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna ask him, hey, you were hurt all year, you're gonna come back, whatever.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_00: If Justin Steele fits into the playoff, we're gonna give him an extremely specific role.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna go, hey, you're probably not gonna get that much time in the playoffs where we're gonna keep you on the roster because A, you're left-handed, B, we could you weak we have a role for you.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's just very specific and unique.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: So, like, say it's a tie game, it's a sixth inning, you know, and they've got that bases loaded and nobody out.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like, we would probably ask you to come in and clean up that sixth inning.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's where Justin Seal is going, give me the ball.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_00: He's foaming at the mouth.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, Oh, this is so bad.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_00: Now we just need to see how many pitches he's throwing in his rehab starts when those start.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_00: And then the other name I would compare against Justin Seal, because we're talking about a starting pitcher who who could mix in as a reliever, is Edward Cabrera, and I never want to say that guy's name for the rest of the season unless I'm making fun of him.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't people are like, maybe he works for the bowl.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_00: Nope, nope, no, no.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen too many gutless appearances from this guy, and and I'm willing to say, based on watching him play, like I've watched him play, that the he sources no value from the spirit of competition.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_00: There's nothing about that guy that gives a fuck about winning or losing.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_00: There ain't nothing about Eddie Cabrera that makes me say tough, wants it, will pitch inside with purpose, all that shit intent.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_00: He's a big guy with a lot of talent.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_00: All right, big guys with a lot of talent, don't have to work too hard, don't have to think too hard, shouldn't be surprised when he gets here and you go, You're kind of gutless, huh?
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_00: How about that?
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_00: How about that?
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_00: Now, opposite that would be the Ben Brown side, where I've made the argument Ben Brown is gutless, Ben Brown has been gutless, Ben Brown, Ben Brown, not fair to call him gutless.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: Ben Brown was scared.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm taking away from the 24 and 25 seasons of Ben Brown.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: Poor guy.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_00: Moistman's so anxious and nervous, or could be a chip on his shoulder for being a late round guy.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe he's got imposter syndrome.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's a huge thing in Major League Baseball, especially in pitchers where they're like, How the how did I get here?
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know, because you hit a girl spurt, you throw a 98 pal.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_00: Now get out of the mount and pump it.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: Now, issue with him is the neck and the head space and all this stuff.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_00: So he kind of would fit into that similar Justin steal where you'd say, Hey, uh, you know, and this is all under the assumption that these guys are healthy and pitching in September, and they're even in the conversation to say, where do you fit in?
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: And so again, I'm not asking for the bullpen to get 12 outs a game.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: Or did I?
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_00: No, I'm asking him to get 11.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not asking the bullpen to get 15 outs, is what I'm saying.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: We're not, I'm not shaping this up and saying, yeah, we want Justin Steele.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_00: He could give it, he could pitch the fourth and the fifth.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like, shut the fuck up.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_00: We're just gonna we're gonna put as many pitchers on the mount as possible.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_00: You're gonna expose yourself to the risk that you're gonna one of these guys is gonna get shelled.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_00: Somebody doesn't have it today.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_00: Don't like that.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_00: I like four pitchers.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_00: I like four pitchers, and so where would Ben Brown's not the closer, Ben Brown's not the starter, where would Ben Brown fit into that mix?
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_00: In a specialized role similar to the Justin Steele, where I'm not going with Ben Brown's our eighth inning guy, Ben Brown's a seventh inning guy.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_00: Those aren't seventh, eighth inning guys.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_00: We have a whole stable guys who've done nothing but pitch seventh, eighth innings this year.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm not gonna go to the starters that have been hurt coming back and go, do you want to pitch the eighth?
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: The eighth is nerve-wracking.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_00: One, two, they don't have a lot of experience in the eighth.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_00: They got great experience in the first.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_00: They'll set the tone.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_00: So just this, how we interact with this information as it comes out.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_00: What are we gonna do with this?
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_00: What are we gonna do with that?
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_00: Now, here's a guy who could pitch the eighth.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_00: How about Shelby Miller?
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_00: Just throwing a hundred in AAA.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_00: See, he he should he should be back very soon.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: No one has seen him, and he's probably dying to get on the mound.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: Just dying.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like imagine signing the contract, knowing you're hurt, knowing you have to spend the entire year rehabbing with this new team.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_00: And then it's just you get to be at Wrigley.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_00: You're watching this team walk off 15 times at Wrigley Field or something this year.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't that insane?
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like 15 of the 70 games played at Wrigley Field or 14 of the 70 games played at Wrigley Field result in a walk-off win.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_00: So you're just like, I don't want to get back there.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: I want to get back there.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_00: And this is a veteran, this guy who has been back there, has been on the mound, has pitched well, has had success, throws hard, has remarkably sharp stuff.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so then that falls in the category of if he is truly healthy, um, he could absolutely be three of those seven outs.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_00: And those three outs would be swing and miss, dominant outs.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_00: Very dominant outs.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so then if you go back to some of the other guys, like Trent Thornton or whatever, like not Tom, not a dom at all, nothing dominant at all.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_00: I like Jacob Webb.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_00: I've said a lot of positive things about him.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_00: There's not a dominant thing about him.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_00: Caleb Tielbar, there's not a dominant nothing.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_00: Nothing.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_00: Gavin Howell.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_00: Phil Maton throws 89.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_00: And again, is he alive?
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_00: Can someone confirm that?
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_00: So you just you just like you're making these, not making these, but you're now we're just sorting through the puzzle piece and say, I'm putting these puzzle pieces over here because they're green.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_00: The red ones are gonna go over here, and then we'll then we're gonna start to really figure out where they piece together.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_00: But now I'm taking the starting pitchers that are hurt that are coming in the bullpen.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_00: People say, What do we do with these guys?
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_00: This is good.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: We'll just pitch the seventh and the eighth, and yeah.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_00: So everybody calm down.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody calm down.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_00: We get the bullpen, guys, in September over the next you know, three, four weeks.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_00: Reality is so that at the end of September, Craig and Jed put that know exactly how to put the puzzle together.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just organizing pieces.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just I'm getting in front of this.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_00: I just open the box.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_00: I'm the four corners are out.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's Palencia.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_00: All right, the picture on the box is really clear.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_00: That's our starting pitching.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just I'm just sorting through the puzzle pieces now, and I'm saying, all right, Chelby Miller, I like you over here in the 7-8 role.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_00: For for the chance to go out and dominate and shut people down.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_00: Now, Jacob Webb, you're interested in a seventh inning role because you have been consistent.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_00: You you've put up an entire season, a body of work.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_00: Makes sense.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Zavarishon, you profile to be 7-8.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_00: You've pitched like you don't belong at Wrigley Field.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_00: You pitch like we should not have traded Moises Bayesteros for you.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_00: And we identified on this show immediately a risk when we traded for this guy who's not having the background or the profile that lends itself to high leverage.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_00: High leverage in Anaheim is not high leverage at Wrigley Field.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_00: High leverage, uh, you know, and you're 50 games out of first place is not high leverage in front of 40,000 people all standing on their feet cheering your name.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_00: Those are two different things.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_00: And when you take a guy from small town America in Kansas who who who literally just got to the big leagues, just got into Major League Baseball, what's his service time?
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's got to be under two years.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_00: This is his third season, but he doesn't have full seasons.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_00: So he's really figured it out recently.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: So now you're asking a guy who's like, hey, you just figured this out now.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_00: Apply this in the in one of the most pressure-packed, intense environments in baseball.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_00: We got to close that gap.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_00: But I want that stuff on the 7-8th.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_00: I want the Zaverishon in Aheim to be the Zaverishon that we get in October.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_00: So somebody coaching that guy has to figure out how to close that gap.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_00: I don't coach him.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_00: If I did, I'll guarantee I'd close it.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'd close that fucking gap so fast your head be spinning.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_00: I don't work with him.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_00: If I did, I know exactly what we would do.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_00: Alright?
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_00: Get me that string out.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_00: I want I I'm not messing around.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_00: Get me that string.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_00: Please, thank you.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_00: Now raise it 28 inches off the ground.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_00: Stretch it taut.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_00: I want it running across home plate.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_00: I need I don't even need a catcher.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_00: I need a bucket of balls.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_00: I need an empty bucket behind home plate.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_00: And me and Zavarishan are gonna work flat ground from 45 feet, and he is gonna throw baseballs through that fucking string into that bucket until I have to replace the string a dozen times.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_00: I don't care how long it takes, I don't care how many pitches you're throwing, you need to slow your shit down, buddy.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_00: You need to get the tempo and the rhythm to your delivery.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_00: You are so wound up and jacked up in trying to throw the best pitch every single time you're throwing a pitch.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody's asking for that.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_00: So we have a four-week window here where hey, I'm working with Zavier Sean, I'll get the tempo down.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'll I'll get the rhythm that he had because he had you have to have tempo and rhythm to throw a sweeper like he does.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_00: You can't that thing just doesn't fall out of the sky.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's all got to be loaded.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's like when you see a small guy hit a big drive, the reason a small guy can hit a golf ball far away is because his body is loading the power correctly.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_00: All right, then you see big guys who hit the ball like an asshole, and so Xavier Shan has lost the tempo that he had in Anaheim.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_00: He's a little rushed, he's a little quick, and I don't like it.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_00: However, it could be worse, he could be hurt.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_00: But the fact that he's kind of struggling relative to what we would want for a guy we traded Moises Ballesteros for, then you come back and you go, okay, fine, now the door is open for Shelby Miller to be competitive for that seventh, eighth inning spot.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_00: Now, when we say Jacob Webb is not the closer, now he can be competitive about getting the say seventh and the eighth inning.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_00: Does it make sense?
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like I've I I I know I'm moving a little quick here.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'm talking a lot about outs and numbers and and I'm throwing names.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_00: If you don't follow the codes, you're just listening.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_00: That'd be the craziest thing of all time.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_00: That if you don't watch every game and don't know intimately about the players I'm talking about, um, and you're with me on this show.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you you're crazier than I.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_00: You're more fucked up than me.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so we're just we'll just and then I got the 40 man in front of me, so we'll just run through this.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like a Javier Assad, I love to death.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_00: It is all-time gangster status.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, my personal preference would be I'd like to see him pitch a full season as a number five next year.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_00: Which sucks.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_00: I'm even saying this about him, you know.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_00: But I just want to see Javier Assad pitch a full season next year.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_00: Let the guy throw 150, 160 innings.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_00: As far as bullpen playoff and could he start game four?
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_00: If they started him game four, I would probably enjoy it.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I would also go as far as to say, I don't know if David Peterson has a huge edge between him and Assad.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if Peterson has a huge edge.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_00: I think he has an edge.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_00: But I could be wrong because it's Assad.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_00: Who's ever been right about him except for Assad?
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_00: Matthew Boyle pitching the three again.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just gonna run through 40-man pitching side here quick.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_00: We've talked about Eddie Cabrera.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_00: Aaron Savali's interesting, but not interesting enough to warrant any attention.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Braxton Garrett, obviously, you know, the miners not somebody worth the shit.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_00: Hunter Harvey was a name we were expecting to come back.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_00: Hunter Harvey was a name we were expecting to come back, and Phil Maytown was a name we were expecting something from.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_00: Those puzzle pieces are not and are not on the table.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_00: Those puzzle pieces are are you know when the puzzle gets like wrinkly at the end?
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_00: The cardboard, maybe it got wet, your Aunt Nancy spilled a diet Pepsi all over the all over the nice pre all over the nice puzzle.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_00: Your mom's bitching at her.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_00: God damn it, Nancy! How many times?
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and what is Nancy Nancy's it's a is it's diet Pepsi?
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's actually a Cali Ocho, which is which is what is it?
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_00: That's that the drink from are they Basque or Basque?
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_00: How do you say that?
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_00: That northern part of Spain?
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_00: They drink Pepsi and red wine together, is what I'm saying.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_00: And you're in Nancy just spilled a whole fucking glass of it all over the puzzle.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_00: Now I'm shaking out these two puzzle pieces.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_00: I gotta dry them.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna put them in the bathroom.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know why I'm putting them in the bathroom.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna put them somewhere else and put them on a paper towel, but they're away from the puzzle.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_00: And and those those puzzle pieces are filming title and Hunter Harvey.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_00: And Nancy, she you know, have another.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um okay, haven't said Shoda's name, nope, don't care.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's why.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_00: So just don't.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_00: We're talking about high leverage, can't win, must win.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_00: Baseball, love you, Shoda.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_00: Love you, love you, love you.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_00: You're great, you're warm, love you.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, how do you say this?
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, I'm gonna get my ass kicked if I show up to this fight with you.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_00: Is it this like that's Shoda?
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_00: I love you, dude.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_00: You're you're my boy, one of my best buddies.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you're saying you and I are at a bar and someone's like, oh, and we're about to get into a fight with you.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna get my ass kicked if I'm relying on you to have my back.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's how I feel about Shoda.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_00: He's a great guy.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_00: But um, I mean, a lot of these names, they're just banged.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's banged.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_00: Philmate not banged, Riley Martin, banged.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, we're not talking about Caleb Thielbar for a reason.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it just hasn't been that good.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_00: Ryan Rawlison was.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_00: So then gone to your head.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_00: Do you take the 40-year-old who has the experience?
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_00: Do you take Rawlison?
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_00: Would you rather have Justin Steele?
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_00: The answer to that question is you better hope Hobie Milner is healthy so that we're not in a situation where we're rolling the dice on any of those three lefties I said in any type of lefty situation.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_00: You you definitely want a guy coming in there who's like, Yeah, I'm getting these outs.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm not not going in there going, I hope I have my stuff today.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think Teal Bar would fit into that category right now with how he's pitching.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know if Justin Steele uh is can quickly pick up on you get a clean seventh in a playoff game.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_00: That might be now what's the difference?
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, you're inheriting the bases loaded, nobody out in a playoff game is a different mindset, and that's that riverboat gambler mindset I love from Justin Steele.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_00: I love him in that situation.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_00: And not to say I don't love him in seventh that ain't nobody on, but does that make sense where you're like you are more effective based on your injury?
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like you're you've been hurt, you haven't pitched.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_00: So we we're working against that.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_00: But it but if we are gonna get you spot, here's where it is specialist, and I think that that takes that burden off him of like I don't want to fuck this up because he's so competitive.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I kind of like that idea of like you have nothing to lose, so go make your pitches, go be as aggressive as you can.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's re-executes sensationally.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_00: So then where does that leave us?
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go back to the beginning.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_00: Then we have our four corners and plenty as a closer, we have good starting pitching.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_00: You know, conservatively, we're asking the bullpen to record seven outs in a game to win.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_00: Where do those seven outs come from?
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_00: So in the back in the eighth, I'm gonna have to go in and say, I need Zavirchan to close the gap.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_00: I need the guy who's unhittable.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_00: We need it.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_00: No questions asked.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna say nobody bring up Jackson Wiggins unless his walk rate in Major League Baseball.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_00: Here's a funny one for you.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_00: His walk rate right now at AAA is like 36%.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_00: Alright?
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_00: Pete Crow Armstrong has gotten his dick sucked this year for bringing his walk rate through the roof.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's at 11.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_00: And that's a great walk rate.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_00: Alright?
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_00: Jackson Wiggins is walking over a third of the batters he faces at AAA.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_00: Am I getting that right?
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_00: Third yeah?
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_00: I am?
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_00: How about that?
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_00: So no, uh we if you can't, I'm not even talking about commanding the fastball.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_00: Commanding means you're throwing it where you want it.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_00: Control means you can throw it in a general area over the strike zone.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_00: Control means you don't walk people.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you could get your shit rocked and have control.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's hard to get rocked with command.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_00: Command means you can zip it around.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_00: Command is not a testament to your walk rate.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_00: You then you go control.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_00: Command's more about the presence and all this shit, which now we're getting nuanced and and I don't want to do that.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_00: But Jackson Williams doesn't have control.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_00: We we you never talk about that at Major League Baseball.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_00: You talk about that at Little League.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_00: You talk about you say the word control in high school.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_00: He's got great control, James.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_00: He doesn't walk people, you know, and then you just advance in the game, and then you never hear anybody say the word control.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know why?
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you can't control, you don't pitch.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't exist.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_00: It would be like calling an offensive lineman if we'd be like, that guy's really skinny.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_00: How did he get here then?
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_00: How could you criticize the size of this offense?
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_00: This is a truly thin guard.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_00: Uh no, dude.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_00: You you're not you're you're this is the big league.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_00: So you say control, that's little league shit.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_00: So Jackson Wiggins doesn't even have control.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_00: No, I mean he's the he's he's he's a game of fucking checkers right now.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm over here building puzzles.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_00: Go play checkers.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not we're not we're not doing that right now.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's how I feel about Jackson Wiggins.
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_00: Does that make sense?
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_00: You know, because people are gonna go that he could, he could, sure.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I haven't seen it.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_00: So if you've seen it, tell me where it is so I go look at it.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_00: But I haven't seen it, you know, and so then he falls in that category of what you're looking for, what K Rod did, Francisco Rodriguez, who should be in the Hall of Fame, uh in 2002 with the Angels.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_00: Now he pitched twice as many innings in the playoffs that year as he did in the regular season.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_00: He pitched about 17 innings in the postseason the year the Angels won the World Series.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, now in those 17 innings, I believe he struck out over 28.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_00: I want to say, now I'm not gonna look this up because then I gotta do the keystrokes and then I gotta edit that.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm just telling you guys, I believe that he did, I think it was 17 innings, 28 strikeouts.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_00: His regular season, big league totals that year, I want to say he threw less than nine innings.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_00: Still had sensational strikeouts, maybe struck out 17 in those nine innings.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I'm what I'm getting to is K Rod that year in the Meyer League struck out like 150, was just put everybody down that he faced.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_00: The Angels knew this.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_00: The Angels were like, we should call this guy up.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_00: We should call this guy up in a way where we can just take the momentum that he has, and then we're just gonna carry that right into October, and hopefully, this guy doesn't take any time to realize that we're in the playoffs, that we are compete.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I know that sounds elementary, but what you're trying to do is get a young athlete in such a compete now mode who is lost to the sense on the scale of the competition because the scale is where the pressure comes in, and the pressure will crush you.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_00: So, how do you get a young guy?
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm thinking in the history of my lifetime, the greatest young reliever uh who is managed perfectly by his organization so that when he got to October, nobody saw K-Rod.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody knew who this guy was.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, they just immediately overnight put like one of the best strikeout pitchers in all of Major League Baseball right into the machine of the playoffs, right into the machine.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_00: Boom, seventh inning and eighth in in any situation.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_00: Now you have Troy Percival backing him up.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's the four corners to the Angels puzzle.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_00: So then you take a guy like K-Rod and you go, okay, I can be creative with this guy.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_00: Now, who in the Cubs bullpen from all the names that we talked about today can step up in this stretch of September?
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not asking you to have a 57% strikeout rate like Francisco Rodriguez, but I am gonna ask you uh, you know, to be better than what we do currently, to improve from baseline, to give us more than what we have now.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_00: And so we have our options.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_00: It could be Shelby Miller coming back is significantly better than Zavarishon.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_00: It could be Zaverishon closes the gap because he hasn't pitched that well.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_00: It could be the two of them doing it together, it could be Jacob Webb not wanting to close and being like, Thank God Planzi's back.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sick of pitching the ninth.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_00: I like I like pitching the seventh, and some guys like that.
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_00: Uh not everybody needs, you know, some guys are real sensitive about when they come in if they're a reliever.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_00: I only pitch the ninth.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_00: I only pitch in this situation.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, there's plenty of great examples of gigantic pussies in the history of Major League Baseball who refuse and turn down and get mad at the manager because he's not using me in the right situation.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_00: You know, go fucking blow me, pal.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_00: Seriously, I'm not doing I'm not doing that.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_00: What I'm talking about is can we get guys, you know, that want to show up to the field, and as soon as they get to the field, they want to play.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_00: They want to get on the mound, they want to compete, they want to pitch, give me the ball.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so if MSA plenty, you go to the back, you're just pitching the ninth.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_00: Now who fills in six, seven, eight?
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_00: Six for the out, seven full, eight full.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I hope it's not a defined situation.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like crap, I hope it's not guys walking around going, I'm eighth inning, you're seventh inning.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, everybody loves to have some sort of designation for who they are with their roles.
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_00: And it's certain certainly are the fans.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_00: We like to look at players and go, that's our eighth inning guy.
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's our seventh inning guy.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, what I'm looking for is the best combination between two different guys for those seven outs, okay, or three, right?
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's like if we have to use Hobie to get out of an inning, perfect, then we'll use him to get out of an inning.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_00: And there's your out.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know, or like I I'm um now I'm I'm putting the puzzle together so we I've sorted too much, so now I'm taking a step back.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_00: I gotta I gotta gather my faculties here so that I can I can leave you guys with some practical stuff as we get in this red series.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know, if this team ultimately turns into something that we fondly remember, right?
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_00: 2015, we finally remember.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_00: I know we got swept in the LCS.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_00: 2016, we fondly remember.
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_00: Do you fondly remember 17, or is that frustrating to watch them go under 500 in the first half?
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_00: That was frustrating.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_00: And into what I perceive to be an entirely gutless performance in the NLCS, whereas like they were tired.
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_00: When we get to the NLCS in 17, it was like, oh, this is so much baseball.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, guys, yes, you play it for a living.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_00: Did did you know that?
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_00: Did you know that?
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_00: Or are you guys just here to sit on Lesser's boat and have beers and steak dinners and be a bunch of cocksuckers?
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_00: How about you play?
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_00: No, I you know, and in and I had this thought the other day.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sick and tired of of measuring you know sentiment against these guys.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_00: You're professional athlete.
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_00: No one made you put the uniform on.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_00: I no one put a gun to your head and said you have to go play left field for a decade.
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 1:01:39
  SPEAKER_00: Danzu Swanson, nobody made you come to Chicago.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe your wife did.
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_00: Fucking don't don't put me down this path.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_00: I'll say some mean shit there.
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_00: You know, come go come and fucking cancel me.
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_00: Good luck.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_00: Ben there, right?
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like, come on.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_00: Seriously?
• 1:01:55
  SPEAKER_00: Seriously, Danzby.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_00: You don't have to be here.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_00: Not that he wants to be here.
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm just using these are just these are just these are just examples, guys.
• 1:02:03
  SPEAKER_00: They're just like Bregman.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_00: Bradman wants you want it, he wants it.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_00: He he fucking wants it.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_00: So like if this season, then it's gonna be something we fondly look back on.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_00: That's the point of this.
• 1:02:16
  SPEAKER_00: That's the point of the closing thought here.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_00: If it's something we look back on, we go, that one was awesome.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_00: That was sick.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna have to have the bullpen.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_00: We don't we have everything else.
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want this to be a season where we wasted Pete's MVP because you know Mo Leary and Curly in the front office couldn't figure out how to get seven outs around a healthy Daniel Palencia in uh Clay Holmes and Kevin Gauss when we are pitching at the top of their shit right now.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_00: So we go into a wild card series, we lose a game winner game two because in seven, eight, you know, we get got sped up on us.
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_00: Uh that would make me sick to my stomach because I've gone through 20 names today, and we have four weeks to figure out who those where those guys match up, and we're putting in as many foundational pillars, right?
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_00: Structure breeds creativity.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_00: We're building as much structure to this question as possible.
• 1:03:13
  SPEAKER_00: Now, what who's it up to?
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's up to the players to go out, play, go play.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_00: Here's your opportunity.
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_00: All right, no more.
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_00: I don't don't even email me about the Cubs Convention or season tickets, or we are in the moment where the only thing that matters right now is getting our shit ready, tightening it up, playing the best baseball that we can down the stretch because we've already been through it.
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_00: We played great, we played like shit.
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_00: Then we played great.
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_00: Now we're in the second half and we are hitting on a lot of great investments.
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_00: Nico gets an extension, he's been awesome in the second half.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_00: Bragman gets a huge contract, he's been awesome in the second half.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_00: PCA gets his extension, he's been awesome in the second half.
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_00: All the parts that you put money into to say this is the core are flourishing at the right time.
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_00: The starting pitching looks good enough.
• 1:04:00
  SPEAKER_00: We have a home field advantage against anybody we're ever going to play against because it's Wrigley Field in October.
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like, there's so many good things to work off of.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_00: There's the one thing I can't say definitively, and that's who's getting the ball in the seventh or the eighth.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_00: I've talked through a bunch of options here.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_00: I've said this is where I would do this guy, this guy, this guy.
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_00: But I would say I'm very pumped to follow that story for the next couple weeks and have the pitch counter going, see what's going on with Justin Steele.
• 1:04:28
  SPEAKER_00: Is Ben Brown's neck okay?
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_00: Again, if anybody's heard from Phil Maidon, please, I'm I don't want to see him on a milk carton, you know.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_00: But now we're we have to start to get to the point, detach yourself from the emotional side of, yeah, I love Assad.
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_00: I do, I love that guy.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_00: And Colin Ray has been nothing but a gangster for me.
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_00: If you're telling me that those are the high leverage options, I'm telling you we shouldn't be here in the first place.
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_00: We got to find the high leverage guys, we gotta build them up, and we gotta hope Crack Council uses them to absolute masterful perfection.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_00: Then and only then can this season materialize it as something that becomes a fond thing that we hold on to.
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, but we've done our work, it's up to those guys.
• 1:05:12
  SPEAKER_00: Go fucking do it.
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_00: All right, Palency is back.
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_00: Webb, you go pitch the seventh.
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_00: You know, somebody get Shelby Miller a private jet.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_00: All right, we got our we got some shit to do, and it starts today at 120 against the Reds.
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_00: So this is the Monday Morning Cub show.
• 1:05:26
  SPEAKER_00: This but I've thoroughly enjoyed this.
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_00: I have thoroughly enjoyed myself because this stuff's on my mind.
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sitting here walking around watching it.
• 1:05:33
  SPEAKER_00: I'm it I gotta get the shit off my chest.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_00: So so thank you guys.
• 1:05:39
  SPEAKER_00: And hey, earlier in the show I said something uh that wasn't cool.
• 1:05:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh the euphemism of like, yeah, I'm gonna throw myself off a bridge.
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_00: This baseball team's never gonna, never, ever, ever gonna cross into the realm of self-harm.
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_00: All right, and uh I I'd be remiss if I didn't emphasize the fact to the Monday morning cup, to the maniacs, to my guys.
• 1:06:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like you have, you have it may if if it feels like you got no friends, nothing, if you if fucking if life has taken you to the absolute brink, please, please let me use this as an opportunity then to say you are you are not alone, my friend.
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_00: You are a part of a community of maniacs.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_00: If you're part of this shit, you like this shit.
• 1:06:27
  SPEAKER_00: If you're if you're one of my guys I'm talking to, we're in the DMs together, you're on the spot.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_00: We're if you're mixing it up with Mahoney, you're part of this, you want to be a part of this.
• 1:06:36
  SPEAKER_00: This is what it's for.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 1:06:39
  SPEAKER_00: I don't need anybody if you're listening and you've got stuff going on in your life that's making you even consider that type of stuff.
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_00: I I'm I'm I'm here.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_00: I'm here, I mean it.
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_00: Michael Carlster is fucking here for you.
• 1:06:50
  SPEAKER_00: Maniacs are here for you.
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I should not ever use a euphemism of self-arm like that ever, ever, ever.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's fucking not cool.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_00: That is not cool.
• 1:06:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um, what is cool is we play the Cincinnati Reds today.
• 1:07:02
  SPEAKER_00: What is cool is the weather is absolutely perfect.
• 1:07:04
  SPEAKER_00: What is cool is this is my this is my third day off in seven fucking weeks.
• 1:07:09
  SPEAKER_00: So um what's not cool is how many F-words I've used to show.
• 1:07:13
  SPEAKER_00: But I get I I'm gonna go hit some golf balls um and then I'm gonna sit down for a big lunch.
• 1:07:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna have a couple manual muertes.
• 1:07:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, I'm I'm honestly I'm I'm probably gonna get drunk in the middle of the day and watch this Cubs game.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm probably gonna get buzzed.
• 1:07:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be awesome.
• 1:07:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna take my dog for a walk.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna grill burgers tonight.
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, you're just like it's everything's rolling in the right direction here.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_00: Everything's rolling in the right direction.
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_00: We need good ballpen.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_00: We need high leverage arms.
• 1:07:39
  SPEAKER_00: We have all the talent in the world.
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_00: We just need to, we just need to package that shit up.
• 1:07:42
  SPEAKER_00: So you guys get a chance, review the show, listen to the show, spread some love.
• 1:07:46
  SPEAKER_00: Be a good dude.
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's it.
• 1:07:48
  SPEAKER_00: Just spread some love.
• 1:07:49
  SPEAKER_00: Go put a smile on somebody's face today.
• 1:07:51
  SPEAKER_00: Don't even worry about telling them about the show.
• 1:07:53
  SPEAKER_00: Just go ask somebody, how you doing?
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_00: How you doing?
• 1:07:55
  SPEAKER_00: Good to see you.
• 1:07:56
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, how you do?
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, this is the Monday morning cup show.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'll be back Monday with Mahoney.
• 1:08:01
  SPEAKER_00: I think CB is gonna join us too.
• 1:08:03
  SPEAKER_00: So that should be a good ball or strike, heavy mailbag episode.
• 1:08:06
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna be previewing the brewers, but this is just we did the bullpen show.
• 1:08:10
  SPEAKER_00: So now we have the bullpen show.
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_00: And now as the season progresses and materializes, we can come back to the bullpen show as a point of reference.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_00: So we are not caught with our pants around our ankles when it matters most.
• 1:08:23
  SPEAKER_00: Does that make sense?
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_00: I hope so.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_00: If it does, subscribe to the show, leave a review.
• 1:08:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, or not.
• 1:08:28
  SPEAKER_00: Again, no gun to your head.
• 1:08:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'll be back next week, anyways.
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_00: God bless you.
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_00: Bye.
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_00: Good.