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Day Release Episode 1 - The Padded Cell Podcast · The Padded Cell Podcast

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_02: Are you a deviant?
• 0:01
  SPEAKER_02: You know, like those of us who binge watch serial killer programs, laugh at the stupid shit people do, and revel in anything adult.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you found your people! Join us as we crack open the doors to the pathetic cell and release the insanely stupid, the weirdly wonderful, and those who choose to live as side societies or norms.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_02: We'll delve into the strange, the macabre, the sexy and the outrageous! So, if you're a deviant, then you have your playthroughs in the Pathet Cell.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_02: Hello and welcome to the Pathet Cell Podcast.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_02: You are all expecting episode 101.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_02: Well, no, no, no, no, no.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_02: You're not getting episode 101 until next week.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_02: This is a new kind of episode that we're testing out.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_02: And uh it's a bit of a surprise.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not going to say what the surprise is, you'll find out in a minute.
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  SPEAKER_02: And this is called Day Release.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, from now on, it'll probably be over on Patreon, but we're going to be throwing it out to the masters so you get a little bit of a taster of it.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_02: So, what's Day Release all about?
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_02: Well, basically, we're not in the main studio.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_02: We're at home in our own studio.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so unmedicated, released into the wild.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_02: We're doing our own thing with no producers to tell us what to do.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_02: And um, I'm not joined by Rye today.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_02: I'm joined by Jim.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_02: He's just smiles.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_02: Hiya guys.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_02: Bit of a nervous smile, though, I think.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so Jim is stepping in uh for day release.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_02: Lots of you have asked for him to be part of the podcast, and uh he's always been quite reluctant, but we're gonna give it a go.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_02: Uh don't know where it's gonna go.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_02: Uh you can be as sweary as you want, it's absolutely fine.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_02: But to just like new the really offensive stuff, just take a beep before you actually open your mouth.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_02: We'll try.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_02: So we are gonna follow our normal format because we know that you love that for the main episodes.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and also it's a little bit easier on me and Jim for our first time doing this.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um so before I go on to the on this days and stuff, I just need to give a little nod to episode 100.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_02: I'm still reeling from it, I can't lie.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, what a great episode.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_02: We really enjoyed filming it.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I know some of you have had to watch it in several stints because it was that long.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_02: It was over two hours.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's the longest pod we've ever done, and it went so quick.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and you've all lapped it up and enjoyed every second.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_02: So thanks for tuning in.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, don't forget to tell your friends, it's the big one and it's a good one, and it'll be a great one for their first.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_02: So if you have got some friends you haven't seen it before, point them in the direction of FSO 100.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_02: So, before um, I'm gonna go on to some stories, but I've got a story that I haven't told Jim.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_02: I've been keeping it to yourself, I was dying to tell him when I came in before.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_02: So I was in our local supermarket, Morrison's, and um, I'm walking um out from the check house and just proving along, minding my own business, uh, with a box of uh crunching off cornflakes under one arm and uh two cakes in my hand in like a clear box.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_02: So I was walking along and uh this lady approached me and she went, Oh, you're Vicky off the Paster Sell podcast, aren't you?
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_02: And uh I said, Yeah, and she went, I watch it all the time.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_02: She said, I watch every episode, I listen to every episode, I absolutely love it.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_02: And she looked down into my hands and saw the cakes and she went, Shag night, is it?
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, I felt totally called out in the supermarket.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_02: So Lorraine, um it quite possibly could be, I'm not sure, yes.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_02: But we've got cakes just in case.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_02: We always get cakes just in case, don't we?
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not a shag like we eat the cakes anyway, don't we, most of the time?
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: Most of the time, mate.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: Most of the time.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_02: So uh I have spoken um in the past about a programme that we watch on TV um called Outback Opal Hunters.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um we're completely out of episodes, we've watched them all, haven't we?
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: We absolutely love it, and we've been like waiting for the next series to start, and it's just not coming till next year, I don't think.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_00: Fucking February.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_02: February 26th, is it?
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I can't wait that long.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um so we've got on to other programmes.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_02: We were watching um Aussie Gold Hunters, and we left it for a bit, we've gone back to it and we've binge watched the whole thing, haven't we?
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_02: You've gotta watch Aussie Gold Hunters.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, if you like the Opal guys, these guys just they're just nuts.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and the money they spend and everything.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_02: But the reason I'm bringing it up is because there's a character, a person in this series who passed away during the film of the, I think it was episode before last.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_02: And uh sorry, series before last.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_02: And if you haven't watched it, this is a spoiler.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_02: So you might just want to tear us down for a minute.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_02: But one of the uh the guys there, Neville Perry, died, and it's one of those um series, you just get to know everybody personally, you feel like they're like friends in the end, and you're like really like behind them all the way.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_02: You're rooting for them, yeah.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_02: Because you can see how much hard work goes into it, all the money that goes into it, and you get behind them and uh it you feel like you're you're their friend and you're with them every minute of the way.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_02: And so when this guy died, Neville, uh everybody felt it, and uh even Jim said you had a lump in your shorts, didn't you?
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, definitely.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_02: It was a sad moment, and um his sons have sort of taken the reins, uh, not very experienced in the field, but you know, they're giving it a good go.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_02: And it was a real poignant moment, and it sort of um it brought it all home, really, that his whole life was just dedicated to gold hunting.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_02: It was his passion.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_02: He had this patch that he called German Gully, and he was convinced that there's gonna be like a thousand outs um piece of gold in there.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, one of the biggest nuggets, one of the biggest nuggets, yeah.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_02: He was convinced.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_00: Who's the other guy?
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_00: Who's the uh Brett?
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: Is it Brett?
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_00: Brent.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_00: Brent Brent, isn't it?
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_00: Brent's a good character, yeah.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_00: And he's and he's he loved him as well.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_02: He's been helping him, hasn't he?
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_02: And oh my god, he he wears his heart on his sleeve, doesn't he?
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um I mean uh guys, you know, should wear the heart on the sleeve, even on TV.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_02: And Brent really does.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_02: He was obviously very close to Neville and when he died, oh my god, the emotion.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um so you know, if you haven't got to these episodes, yes, just prepare yourself.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_02: Brace, brace.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but what a great series! And we finished it, and now we're like, fuck, we've like literally run out of every gemstone gold opal program going, I think.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_02: So if you've got any suggestions of all the programmes, please fire them over.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_02: That's the sort of thing that we like.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_02: Things that are binge worthy, sometimes you watch two and three, no, don't we?
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_02: Can I help her?
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_02: So we're gonna move on to our on this day.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_02: This episode is going out on Thursday to the masses, which is the 18th of September.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and there's a few things that are picked up for the 18th of September.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I don't need to ask Jim, do you know this person?
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_02: Because especially where music's concerned, because Jim knows everything about music.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_02: Everything.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_02: Except rock.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_02: You've got a big rock collection, you don't know half of them.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_02: You got them from carboots and got given them, I think, didn't you?
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um but we had this um game music, it was it called Buzz.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_02: Buzz, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it was a multiple choice game, and um it was all like music releases, and you had like these um handheld buzzers, and it was like a multiple choice, different colours for each thing.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_02: And I either wasn't quick enough or didn't know the answer, and I don't think I got one answer.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I I got them right, but I wasn't quick enough on the buzzer, and you just completely wiped me out.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_02: I was fuming, I didn't wear it ever again, did I?
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_02: I think that thing rotted in a drink.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_02: It was on a PlayStation, wasn't it?
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_02: PlayStation.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_02: Something like that, wasn't it?
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, anyway, I was fuming, but I mean you know everything about music.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_02: So you'll know Jimi Hendrix, of course you do.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_02: We've got him on our wall in work.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_02: Fuck off.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_02: Don't even go there.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, he died on the 18th of September in 1970.
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  SPEAKER_02: And he was part of the 27 Club.
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  SPEAKER_02: With Janice and the rest.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, we're gonna talk about some of them now.
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  SPEAKER_02: The 27 Club, um, if you don't know, it's a a a club of famous people who died at the age of 27, obviously far too young before they should have died.
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  SPEAKER_02: And uh we're gonna go through a list of some of them and you'll figure out that they've obviously led a rock and roll lifestyle.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and sex, drugs, and rock and roll has definitely been a factor in them dying.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a little sliff if we say jam um Jim's bros's special biscuit, haven't you?
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: Greg's Jamie Dodgers or Jammy Hearts to call them.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_02: Jammy Hearts.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think they can call them jammy dodgers, a bit of a copyright issue.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, they're they're like, I don't know, baby Gose, they're about four inches wide, they're absolutely gorgeous.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_02: You might hear me chomping away soon.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, you're gonna know these, but you know, the people out there might not know them, so we're gonna go into them very briefly.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, Robert Johnson, you might not know this fella, because he's a bit of a year oldie one, he died in 19 ASEA's, but he was a blues pioneer, so I'm surprised you don't because he's a bit of our blues, don't we?
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  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, he died under mysterious circumstances in Mississippi.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_02: I'd say either uh strychnine poisoning or tainted whiskey, but then there's other people out there who said that he might have died of syphilis.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_01: What a way to go.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_02: His enemy is saying he died of syphilis.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_02: You can't argue, can he?
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_02: Strychnine, isn't that sort of like a rap poison?
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_02: Rap poison, yeah.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's must have had somebody who didn't like him.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's quite well known that um women who kill use poisons.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_02: So I haven't looked into him too much, but I wonder if there's a Jills had lover out there.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_02: Possibly.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_02: You blues pioneer, he could have been a bit of a goer.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, couldn't he?
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, she she might have been jealous, or she might have been Jills's and and uh poisoned.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_02: Total speculation, it might not be this at all, it might have been syphilis.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_02: Brian Jones, we were talking about him recently.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we're trying to remember his name, right?
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_02: He was uh one of Rolling Stone's founders and he died in 1969 at the age of um 27.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_02: How did he die, Jim?
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_03: Don't know.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_02: Didn't you do?
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_02: That was really high.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry that went down at the U.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_02: He was found uh in a swimming pool.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_02: He'd drowned after a heavy drug and alcohol use.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know what?
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_02: When you think of um the the lifestyle they must have led, it must have been just one long Saturday night, really, mustn't it?
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: One long up and down.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_02: When you look at the state of them now, they've definitely enjoyed themselves.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_02: And do you know what?
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think they've regretted one minute of their life.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_00: Gone in a blaze of glory.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_02: And let's face it, a lot of them are still living a long life, despite all of the you know drug taking you know they've admitted to.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_02: They've uh a very colourful life.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_02: So you mentioned it before, Janice Joplin.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_02: So she died at the age of 27 in 1970.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_02: And please tell me you all know her.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, she was a singer.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, she was in Woodstock.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_02: If you haven't seen her at Woodstock, please, please watch a video of Janice Joplin at Woodstock.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_02: She was totally twasses the whole way through, and she was living her best life.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_02: She wasn't singing to the audience at all, she was just singing to herself and whoever was up there looking down on her.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_02: She was properly off her face.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, um, how did she die, Jim?
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh drug overdose.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_02: Heroin overdose, but she was a big drinker, so do you reckon that um um alcohol overuse was a factor as well, uh, along with the heroin.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_02: And Jim Morrison.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_02: I realised recently we haven't got him on our wall in work, have we?
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_00: We haven't.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_00: No, we haven't.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_00: We have to make room for him.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we might get some artwork replaced.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: Jim may be good.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_02: It'd be good, yeah.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_02: If you don't know already, we've talked about it before, but in our live lounge in townhouse, um, it's it's the lounge where we play live music.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um, there's loads of like rock stars and big famous singers, really, all around the world.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, Jim Morrison's not one of them.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_02: It didn't even cross your mind when we were coming.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_02: Well, uh Amy Winehouse is already on there.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: She's already on there, yeah.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_00: And so is um so was Jimmy.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_02: Jimi Hendrix, yeah.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_02: You could have a whole wall of the 20s.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_02: That's a really good idea, actually, you know.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_02: You always come up with the good ideas.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, Jim Morrison, the doors front man found dead in a Paris bath.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um well, official cause was heart failure, but many suspect um uh as a result of a heroin overdose.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_02: But what I'm really surprised about, they didn't perform an autopsy.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_02: So, I mean, this was 1971 in France.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know uh you know what the rules are over there.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_02: I know now if you haven't seen a doctor uh two years, two years, two weeks prior to your death, and you know the death's like not not known, you've got to have an autopsy.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um but there's no autopsy performed, they just said heart failure.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_02: I mean it could I mean that could have been suspicious, really.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_00: Sounds a little bit dogs right, doesn't it?
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_00: Well it could have been it could have been that he's just um you know the family have sort of like to keep the family thing going, you know what I mean?
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_00: Uh discretion.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_00: Discretion, yeah, maybe that's butn't do with anybody else, it's always splattered everywhere.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, true.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, Kirkabain.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, front man of Nirvana died in 1994.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_02: Uh suicide by shotgun.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_02: After struggles with uh heroin addiction and depression.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_02: That's a bit of a travesty now, isn't it?
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um I mean, do you know I wasn't a big Nirvana fan, I don't know loads about him, but anybody that decides to take their own lives with a shotgun, that's it's not good then, is it?
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's easier ways.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_02: There is easier ways.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that takes a bit of balls that or all the heroin.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_02: And lastly, Amy Winehouse uh mentioned her before, obviously, a singer, and she died of alcohol poison.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_02: Uh now we watched her drama, didn't we, about her recently?
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_02: It was really, really good.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_02: A BPC drama, I think it was really good.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, it was a shame you could sort of see the path she was going down.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_02: And uh a real talented young lady who was idolised by her dad.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_02: I remember her dad just being absolutely devastated when she died, really devastated.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_02: And she'd actually been sober for a little while, hadn't she?
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, something had happened, I can't remember what it was now.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to speculate.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_02: And she just went on a binge and that was it.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_02: She was found dead.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_02: So the 27 club there, I was looking into it.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's um it's become symbolic, obviously, because a lot of famous people have died around this age, sudden, unexpected death, and it's created a myth um around the this this age.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_02: So it's come up in like modern culture, but actually there has been some research done, and uh the stats show that there's no increase, uh no likelihood, more likelihood that you're gonna die at the age of 27, any more than 28, 29, 40, 41.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_02: It's just that these are very famous people who all happen to be around this age, or they were this age, and um the media's just taken it on, and now it's become a bit of a cult thing all of its own.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: Bit madly.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_00: So it's all drug related, they've all done drugs at some stage in their life.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: None of them have actually just fell off the path.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_02: No, I w I wonder though if you know all these people have been famous from quite young, or that it's just been part of the struggle of you know, fame and you know the constant touring and all the rest of it.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_02: And it just so happens that you know around that time in their life they've you know they've had enough.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_02: Who knows?
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_02: I could have gone on, to be honest, but I don't want to.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_02: I want to do something else.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_00: That's cool.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_02: So you all know uh the next person I'm gonna talk about.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_02: It's actually different doing this as somebody that knows some stuff.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like I'm not educating you.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_02: Normally I'm educating Ryan's like, oh right, okay.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_02: And you'll look at me going, yeah, I know all that.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so do you know the name?
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_02: Patty Hurst.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: Patty Hurst, yeah.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: She was um she was a victim of a a wasn't she a um was she part of Manson's gang?
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_00: She was she was uh kidnapped and as a result of a kidnap, is that the same girl?
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um Jim's really digging deeper, you should see his face.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: So she was and she ended up with Munchhausen's, I think, or something like that, or no, so Stockholm.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_00: Stockholm syndrome, that's the fella, yeah.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_02: Very good.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_02: So you're digging deep there off.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_02: So let's talk a little bit about Patty Hearst because on this day in 1975, she was captured by the FBI.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_02: She had robbed a bank, but how did she get to this point?
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_02: Because actually, um she was a wealthy heiress.
• 16:44
  unknown: Yeah.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_02: Her name was Patricia Campbell Hearst, uh, and in February 1974, at just uh the age of 19, she was kidnapped.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_02: Why was she kidnapped?
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_02: She was the granddaughter of media giant William Randolph Hearst.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_02: I love that name, Randolph.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_02: Do you remember Brewster's Millions?
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_02: One of the guys in that was Randolph.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_02: What's the one?
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_02: One of them was Randolph.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_02: They had the best.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that name, Randolph.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_02: So she was the granddaughter of this media giant.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_02: She lived on campus, she had a great life.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, one night um these people burst into her apartment and abducted her.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and the kidnappers were the Symbionese Liberation Army or the SLA, a Raz cult left-wing group with revolutionary ambitions.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_02: She's just 19.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_02: The first demand wasn't money, and you think it would be media giant and all that.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_02: No, it was food.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_02: They said they insisted that the Hearst's wealthy father distribute millions of dollars worth of groceries to the poor, which they did.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_02: But the SLA refused to release Passy.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_02: And then just two months later came this shocking twist.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_02: Passy appeared in SLA propaganda photos armed with a rifle and declared she'd joined their cause.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_02: And she's taken on the name Tanya in honour of a Marxist gorilla who'd fought alongside Sheikh Avara.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_02: Now, there's this picture of her in this one that they're talking about, and she's in front of the SLA logo.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_02: I think she's got like a beret on, holding this machine gun or a rifle.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, she looks apart.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_02: Now, apparently, this picture has become really famous for around that time, the 70s and the like revolutionaries and stuff like that.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, often when these things come up, that's this picture.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_02: So when I was doing the research, it was popping up all over the place.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and like she does look the business like very convincing.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: Wasn't she in a relationship with one of the uh guys?
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_00: She ends up she ends up marry uh marrying or seeing or she they were together, and that's how come she came from there.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's how come she got twisted.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't know about her relationship, but this Stockholm thing that you brought up before.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_02: So basically, there's this the the nation was divided, but was she coerced?
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_02: Or had she truly embraced this like radical revolution?
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_02: Now, later on in testimony, she described being locked in a closet, blindfolded, threatened with death, and repeatedly raped by SLA members.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_02: Now, psychologists argued that she was a textbook case for coercive persuasion, which we now call Stockholm Syndrome.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_02: But uh the and the prosecutors, however, insisted she was a willing uh convert of the SLA.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, this transformation, it was cemented in April 74.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_02: Surveillance cameras caught her storming into the Hibernia Bank in San Francisco, I should quite rightly say, armed with an M1 carbine, and she shouted at terrified customers to get down.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_02: Two people were wounded during the robbery, and um photographs of her with a gun standing before the seven-headed Cobra emblem, like I said before, is now one of the most infamous photos that all come from this bank robbery.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_02: And um, do you know what?
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_02: I'll probably flash this off on facey.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it's quite a good photo.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_02: And over the following year, she participated in like so much SLA stuff, carjackens, shootout the whole nine yards, and she was finally arrested in September 75.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_02: She reportedly told police, tell everybody I'm smiling, I feel free and strong.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: Did she go to jail?
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_02: So she did.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_02: A trial, it's like a media surface, because she was the granddaughter of this wealthy guy, you know, and um how she was radicalised and stuff.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_02: The defence argued she'd been brainwashed and bruised, brutalised.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_02: The prosecution painted her as a revolutionary with free will.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, despite the debates and the and the expert, the jury found her guilty of armed bank robbery, and she was sentenced to seven years in prison.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: Seven years?
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: She had away right with then, didn't she?
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she did, really.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_00: Armed robbery.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, in the UK now, we should probably just get away with a slap on the wrist, to be honest with you.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_02: But the story didn't end there.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_02: After serving just 22 months, uh President Jimmy Carter commuted her sentence, and in 2001, Bill Clinton granted her a full pardon.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_02: So after this.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: Money talks, didn't it?
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I do know, I think it was because you know Stockholm syndrome is a bit more well more understood, and I think people believed that she actually was coerced.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: And that her family had loads of money to bribe everybody, you mean?
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah, that's where my brain was going.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's a very wealthy family.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and you know, we've got this dialogue of her being coerced.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, Bill Clinton gave her full pardon, Bill.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_02: Good old Bill.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: Cigar Bill.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_02: Don't want to slander ourselves here, but you know, we all have our opinions on good old Bill.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'd rather have Bill over the trump right now, to be honest with you, but we're not gonna get into that, are we?
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_02: Right then.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: So, we're gonna move on.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_02: Uh we're gonna do a little dangly bit.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_02: You're gonna get involved in a dangly boo.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: You are?
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: We're not going to get your dangly bit out in.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_02: All right, we're not going to do that on a space for you.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody's ear is all about my dangly bit.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_02: I know, I'm sorry.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's funny because I think I said before, Jim doesn't watch the podcast before anybody else.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_02: He watches it on a Thursday.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_02: And sometimes I remember that there's a cringe moment, other times I don't remember until I see it.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_02: I just sort of do a little side die over Jim, and occasionally he's just shaking his head with his eyes closed, and occasionally a head in his hands, like, oh God, where's this going?
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes it doesn't go where you think it goes, though.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_02: Right, so we've got a new little segment.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_02: We're going to do it every now and then on the main pods.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_02: I thought I'd try it out here.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_02: And I feel like I need game show music.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: I'm all out of game show music unfortunately.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: So I must have left it downstairs, my other pants.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_02: Oh God, we can't make it up either.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_02: So this segment, you've got to guess whether I am giving you a fact or something that isn't a fact.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: And the segment is called Factor Freak.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_02: So why I needed the game show music.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_02: Like a little jingly.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_02: Factor freak.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm going to um give you like a little line, a little statement, and you need to let me know if you're going into factor freak.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_02: So number one, Victorian doctors use vibrators to treat hysteria in women.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: I know that's number one.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_02: That one is definitely true.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_02: So, I mean, I think we've all heard before hysteria from a catch or diagnosis for a wide range of symptoms, ranging from anxiety, irritability, insomnia, nervousness, or even just sexual frustration.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: Do you remember that we seen the um the reel?
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: And it was uh it said um it said that doctors in the 1800s were going off sick because they were part of the the hysteria, they were able to wank off the the women, and they were going off with sore hands from repetitive strain.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_02: Repestive strain, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_02: Well, this is part of it.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_02: So, um, so the the treatment uh initially was pelvic massage, so uh basically um a vaginal finger blasting, which made them orgasm.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um it was actually described as hysterical paroxysm, basically an orgasm.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_02: But what the problem was is that it was very time-consuming and exhausting for the doctors, and they did get repressive straight.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, cues going down the block.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_02: Probably, yeah, depending on how good the skills were, the finger blasting skills were.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_02: And so inventors developed a mechanical vibrator to speed up the process.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_02: So the uh the statement Victorian doctors use vibrators to treat hysteria in women is true.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_02: So factor free, a Hawaiian mushroom supposedly makes women orgasm when they smell it.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_02: Jim's thinking.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you're not gonna win prizes.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_02: So fact fact.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, uh, I wanted this to be true.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_02: No, it is.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_02: It is true.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_02: It is true.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's a bit of a weird one, but back in 2001, uh, two researchers in Hawaii published a study about a very unusual mushroom called Dictophora.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_02: Do you think it was called Dictophora before they realize it made women orgasm?
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think it should have been called Dictofany?
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_02: It should have been called Dictofany, shouldn't it?
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um, also called the Vild Lady fungus.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_02: It grows in the lava fields of Oahu, hang on.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_02: Oahu.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_02: Oahu.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: Oahu.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: Oahu.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: Is that right?
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oahu.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_02: Don't look at me like that.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: I think.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_02: And it gives off a strong, unpleasant smell, a bit like rotting meat.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, the scientists claim that when women sniffed it, many reported sudden physical arousal with a few even experience and spontaneous orgasm.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_02: I'm buffed to get this ago.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: I've never tried mushrooms, but I'd have a little sniff of this one.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: Just awake on fellas.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_02: Apparently, men, on the other hand, mostly just complained that it really smelt bad.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's cheap.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_02: Didn't make them spontaneously uh splooch.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, uh, it does sound like a little bit off the wall.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_02: And the study was tiny and only involves 16 women.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and the study's never been replicated.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_02: However, the participants were 100% on board and said, you know, that they're not normally just spontaneously coming all over the place.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's only when they whiffed this mushroom.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um so they are completely taken in.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_02: So we are gonna say, yes, this is fact.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_02: Excellent.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: So two out of two.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_02: Two out of two.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_02: Fact or free.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_02: Napoleon collected 100 glass eyes from defeated enemies.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: True.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_02: Nope.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_02: Completely false.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_02: I wanted it to be true.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_02: I've got to think about glass eyes.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_02: They just fascinate me.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_02: It was after we went to uh see John Bishop live.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what?
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_02: And he was funny and he was talking about the guy who lost his glass eye and the toilet.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_02: He was looking around and went, is this as if there was hundreds on the floor.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah! Yeah, but no, unfortunately, that is not true.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_02: I completely made that one up.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_02: Number four, backdoor freak.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_02: The CIA tried to use Katza Spy's project name Acoustic Kitty.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: Not having that.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_02: Acoustic kitty.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's not I'm not having that.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_02: That's so that you're saying that's a freak.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_02: This one is both absurd and completely true.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: In the 1960s, during the Cold War, the CIA launched an experiment called Project Acoustic Kitty.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_02: The idea was to turn an ordinary house cat into a spy.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: You must have been high, man.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's 1960s.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: CIA is a CIA fear, innit?
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_02: So Agents surgically implanted a microphone into the cat's ear canal, a small radio transmitter at the base of its skull, and even ran a thin wire through its fur to act as an antenna.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_02: The plan was that the cat could wander near Soviet officials and nobody would suspect it was there recording it was recording conversations.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_00: Well that you're gonna hear us cats having sex, aren't you?
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_02: Licking the balls, scratching.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_02: Or any other sound that's around, cat wander.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_02: Cats go into other people's houses, you know, anyway.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_02: I mean So that was a fail.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it could have been ingenious if it wasn't a cat.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: He should have stuck to his orphans.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, in practice, this thing was a disaster because you're gonna love this.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_02: During its first field test outside the Soviet embassy in Washington, the wired-up cat wandered into the road and was almost immediately run over by a taxi.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_02: Millions of dollars of research down the drain basically splattered under the tyre.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_02: Poor cat.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_02: But I mean, that would have cost him a few quid.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_02: Experimental.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_02: And the cat just wandered to take something.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: Just sucking out all the drug money you were making.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: That's it, yeah.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: Pablo.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, brilliant.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, lastly.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_02: Factor freak.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_02: Dr.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_02: Guillotine, inventor of the guillotine, died by his own machine.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's actually false.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: Ah, okay.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's one of the uh most persistent myths.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_02: I thought it was true.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_02: There's a few things around this guy that I didn't know.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_02: So, uh Dr.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_02: Joseph Ignace Guillotine.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um he was a French physician and a politician.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and this myth says that he died by his own guillotine, but he didn't actually uh uh invent the guillotine.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_03: Oh.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_02: So it wasn't his own personal invention.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_02: Uh he muted the idea of this method of quickly killing people, and his name was guillotine.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_02: But actually, the guillotine was designed by a doctor called Antoine Louis and built by a German meme.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_02: German called Tobias Schmidt.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but guillotine's name uh basically stuck.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he lobbed the patent shit house.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_02: And he didn't die by guillotine, lived a long life and died in 1814 and natural causes.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_00: Did have fucking died by a guillotine.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_00: If you lobbed my patents, he'd be dying by a guillotine.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_00: Don't drop Tim.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_02: And he yeah, he had an abscess in the shoulder.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_02: Didn't die by guillotine at all.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_02: Oh there you did.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_02: So there you go.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_02: So what do you think of factor fee?
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's good, yeah.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_02: It's alright, fair enough.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_02: I quite like that.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_02: A nice little um it's a fun bit, bro.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_02: So we're learning stuff still.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_02: I need to burp, but I'm not penetring.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna try not to burp.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_02: So we're gonna move on to our next little bit.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: It's a bit of a discussion.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_02: Do you have a little slurpe of your coffee before we turn it?
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm gonna talk a little bit about the realities of working in the adult industry.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_02: It's a sore subject.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't it just anyway?
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_02: Because uh we've had a few little issues over the years, but more recently uh trying to get a mortgage, and it sort of triggered me into um chatting about this to give a little heads up to people who are thinking about working in the industry because it can be fun, it can earn you quite a few quid.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and you might get, you know, your moment of fame on social media and all the rest of it, or however you decide to work.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_02: But there's some long-same implications and real life implications that I think everybody just needs to be a little bit aware of.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_02: Not to scare you off at all, but just um you know, go in with eyes wide open, basically.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_02: And this is coming from two people who've been working in the industry for years and have been part of the of the scene for 21 years, Jim.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: 21.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_00: When I was when I was younger.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_02: We were both younger and my tits stayed up.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_02: I could walk around with no brawn on it, it'd be fine.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_02: That's no way.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_02: My flaps and my tits need to be chucked in nowadays.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, so I just wanted to just chat a little bit um around the industry and and what what the adult industry is, so what is encapsulated in that, because there's some parts of it that you might not think uh falls into that category.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_02: So we obviously run um uh a venue uh which runs swinging parties, BDSM parties, LGBTQ parties, we do education stuff around BDSM.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_02: We're very much at the centre, if you like, of the Azot industry.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_02: We have porn shoots that uh shots at the club, people you're privately hire to do that.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um we do STI checks and stuff.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_02: So we're very much at the centre of all aspects of the industry.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_02: And we've come across lots of people who've worked in the industry as well.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_02: But that is not just the only aspect, as we all know.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of people out there who might be escorting.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_02: There's people out there who are doing professional domination.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_02: I've done that, it's classed as adult industry.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_02: We've talked before about it, it's classed as sex work.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_02: Even if you don't include any sex in your beatings, it's still classed as sex work.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_02: You're still in the adult industry.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_02: It could be uh only fans, adult work stuff online.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um you're selling yourself and your services and of sexual nature online, it's adult industry.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_02: It could even be influencing online, it might be that you're on Instagram and you have a persona on there, like our Mr.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_02: G with his with his gas mask, his persona's malachi.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and he often talks about kidnapping and stuff like that.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's still adult industry, even though he's just putting reels out there, it's promoting and educating the adult industry.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_02: There's lots and lots of ways in which we do this, and it all seems quite um innocent, if you like, you know, if we're out there above board, um, but we've all still got real lives.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_02: And so when before you embark on anything like this, just take a little step back and think about this might be normal for you.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_02: So you might have been in the BGSM lifestyle for years and now want to go professional.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and so it's normalized for you, but just take a step back to Joe Public out there, what we do isn't normal.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_02: And to most people, we're still freaks.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_02: You know, whether you're into BGSM and or whether you're a swinger, you're you're dirty, you shouldn't be doing that, there's something wrong with you.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, I hate to say it, but the LGBTQ plus community is still getting targeted on a regular.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_02: And there's a lot of people out there that still discriminate against that community, and you know, we've we're still ostracized, and so we live in this, we breathe it every single day, but those people out there don't.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_02: And they have opinions about us.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_02: And so when we put ourselves online on reels or on podcasts or whatever, um, there's gonna be people out there that are probably gonna send some hate your way.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_02: And Jim knows that I've had quite a lot of it over the years, um, and I've had it on the podcast as well.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_02: You know, people send on me stuff.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_02: At first, it got to me because some of it was quite personal, it was about how we looked and the decisions that we were making about doing what we do.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um, now it's sort of water on a duck's back, and as you all know, uh the really good ones are put in cunt corner, and I haven't got to do a thing because you've all just attacked this person.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's so funny.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_02: I'd like to think that people don't ever do it again.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: Uh but you know, trolls will be trolls.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_02: But I mean, you know, the haze is just a tiny, tiny, tiny aspect of it.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_02: And if you're gonna go into the industry, you've got to have a thick skin.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_02: You can't let these things get to you because people will have opinions and you can't stop people having opinions.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_02: You know, what do they say?
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_02: Opinions are like ourselves, we all have one.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, definitely.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and you know, people are entitled to those opinions, but there'll be times when you might feel it more than others.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_02: And if you've got children and you're putting yourself out there, um, there might be small children now.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, when they get a bit bigger, the friends might find your reels online and what you're doing and what you're talking about and the lifestyle that and their teenage friends might share photos of you.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_02: So you've got to think about conversations that you have with your children and your bider family.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_02: Because, as Jim and I know, um, there might be members of your family that don't agree, don't understand it, want to understand, and you might lose friends and members of your family because of it.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but what I wanted to get into today was the financial side of it and actually how it can affect your progress as a vanilla person in the real world.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, what you do as a job maybe shouldn't impact your real life, but it does, especially in our industry.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_02: And when you're going through credit checks and stuff like that, if you're self-employed, it's pretty hard sometimes to get credits when you're having to put in a self-assessment and tax returns and stuff like that.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but then when we find out that you work in our industry, immediately you get shut down by a lot of people.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_02: So, as Townhouse, we found out over the years that even think getting things like card machines, there's loads of people that will not give us a card machine facility.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_02: We can't always get credit cards, and there's only one bank that will deal with us.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm not gonna say who they are, and that was after a fight and threats, I've got to say, from my part.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_02: I had to do it.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um, because they were gonna refuse us banking just because of the industry that we were in.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, well, we're also LGBTQ.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_02: And um, are you telling me that you're gonna refuse banking to to an LGBTQ plus business?
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, because I'll make it known.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_02: And they backed down.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um but you know, you shouldn't have to go to those sorts of lengths just to you know legally and legitimately run a business.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_02: You know, we've got everything, all of our ducks in a row, and we're still ostracised by you know the financial services.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_02: And recently we've tried to get a mortgage and we found it really hard being self-employed, but all all the more harder because of the industry that we work in.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_02: We're known as high risk.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: We're prejudiced against on every level.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_02: Every level.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_02: You feel like you're just having the finger pointed at you from every angle, and it's quite uncomfortable actually, and you know, you shouldn't be ashamed of what you do, but when you do keep getting knockbacks all the time, it can get to you.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I just I just want to progress and I want to use my legal, legitimate, hard-earned money to buy a house or to improve my house or you know, get a mobile phone, even.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um and there's there's um obstacles in the way all the time.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_02: So you've got to be prepared for these things.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, how is it gonna impact you further on down the line?
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I know there's a lot of young people who are getting into the industry now.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_02: I've seen quite a lot of like under under like 18 to 20 year olds, 18 to 21 year olds getting into like adult works only fans.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_02: And you know what, you do you.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not gonna judge anybody.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_02: And a lot of people do this to get through uni or whatever.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_02: And some people use escorts and to do the same thing, they haven't got the financial backing, whatever.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, all I'd say to you is whatever you put online now is there forever.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_02: And you might not be thinking about having children now or getting a mortgage, you might want to go and fuck off out of the country and emigrate.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_02: Who knows?
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_02: But you've got to think long term.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and you know, if you have a website, that website, even if you take it down, the history of that website's always out there.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_02: People can trace you.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_02: So just think about all these things, the realities.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_02: It can be an amazing industry to work in.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_02: There's quite a lot of solidarity and community in our industry.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_02: I feel it's quite nice to be part of that sometimes.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_02: But you can also feel quite isolated because even there's a lot of people in our community when you compare that to the big bad worlds out there, we're a little drop in the ocean, really.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_02: And the big bad worlds out there has got lots of opinions on us.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um so, yes, this stigma sticks, um, basically.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_02: And um, you know, even all these years down the line, you still feel it every now and then, don't you?
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_00: Feel it at all times, don't you?
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's uh prejudice the prejudices in a in a world where everybody's supposed to have a chance, they just don't give you the chance.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: They don't it's not a fair level playing field.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_00: You've got banks that won't bank with you because they're scared of PA.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: Same with insurance.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_00: And you're like, why, why, uh, why who in the right mind wouldn't ensure a safe business?
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: But they want to tax you on it to death.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_00: They want to, they want to every ounce of of profit that you get.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_00: So you're left with nothing in the end.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_00: And that it's harder and harder.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_02: It is getting harder and harder.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't understand this thing about um negative PR and you know public appearance and stuff.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_02: Because, you know, whoever, ever said, Yeah, I I uh own townhouse and uh I bank with XYZ.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like I have it at the size of me mini, is it?
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_00: No, my banking's with Blah de Blah or my insurance is with Joe Blogs.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_02: You don't put it out there, so I don't understand.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um It's just a reason.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's just a reason for them to deny.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and it's not even a very good reason.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's not a very good reason at all.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, it does make you quite bitter in the end, doesn't it?
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_02: We've been in this a long, long time, and you just feel like you're getting it all the time.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_00: And we're not the only ones.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_00: There's so many other clubs, pubs, businesses in clubs.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_00: Businesses, you've got the you've got the friend who's a um celebrants.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_02: Celebrants can't get insurance.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_02: Can't get insurance to do to do hair stuff in in a venue like ours, and like she wants to do same-sex marriages um and hand fasting and stuff in alternative venues, and you shouldn't get insurance for it.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_02: And you've got sex shops out there who've been around for years who are now being refused insurance as one insurer in the whole country who'll insure all of us.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we're trying to change that, aren't we?
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_00: Certainly are.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but you know, for the moment, these are the the hurdles that you've got to consider.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't want this to put you off, it's just you know, the reality, just think carefully.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_02: And and if you do embark on it, um, just keep your eyes wide open.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_02: Try not to let the bad guys get you down.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_02: And when you do keep getting no's, there will be somebody out there who will say yes, you've just got to find them.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, often you find them within our community, you know, so ask within your community, ask advice, you know, where did you get insurance?
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_02: Or and I need credit for blah blah.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_02: I need legal advice.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_02: We've even been turned down by solicitors.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_02: We were trying to sort the lease out on our business, and there's a well-known solicitor in Liverpool, a very big firm.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_02: And we had a couple of meetings with them, and I sent email after email afterwards asking for some follow-up, and they completely ghosted me.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_02: I never ever got a response.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_02: I phoned a next messages.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_00: Shit out of us.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I don't think we should curry because that's sand dress, really.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_02: But uh, they just ghosted us completely, and I said the my last email to them was look, I understand if you don't want to work with us, but the professional thing to do is just tell me.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_02: And they didn't reply to that either.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_02: And the person that I was conversing with, that we had the meeting with, was still working there because I phoned off and asked.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_02: So I wonder if he's left and the email's just not working anymore.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_02: No, he was still there.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, even the solicitors, you know, the people that should have your bath, um, don't always want to work with you.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so it's uh it's a very long and winding road, the adult industry with lots of um pedals and pit stopped along the way.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_02: But it's it can be fun, it really can.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_02: So if you do decide, enjoy every minute.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_02: And um, if you've got any stories like this, please feel free to share them in the comments because this is our perspective.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_02: It'd be very, very great to hear your perspective as well.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_02: You know, share your knowledge and let it educate each other.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_02: Uh the good and the bad.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_02: You know, we don't want to pop people off, but we just want people to be aware, basically.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, I hope that you found that helpful.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just gonna do a little lazy lobotomy.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_02: I just love that people are saying dear lazy lobotomy.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_02: I think I need to find myself like a little avatar.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_00: A pickaxe.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_02: A pickaxe?
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_02: No, I'm not a Mercedes, but no, I don't want to do that.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so dear.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: Lazy lobotomy.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_02: We've been together for twelve years and our sex life has become so predictable, I could set my watch bias.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_02: Same time, same position, same outcome.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_02: How should we shake off the cobwebs?
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_02: My partner has suggested a swingers club to spice things up, and although a thrill sounds exciting, I'm concerned that he'll meet someone who excites him more than I do.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_02: Help! I know the what I'm gonna say to this.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_02: What would you say to that, Jim?
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_02: Is it the right thing to do to go to a swingers club?
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's gotta be the right reasons, and it doesn't sound like that's the right reasons.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's not the right reasons, is it?
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_00: And also we've seen hundreds of people coming through who come in, it's the guy's idea.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_00: The girl comes along reluctantly, but they have a come in, have a few drinks, let's see what it's like.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_00: And 99% of the time it's the girl going out after having a ball.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_00: Shag top.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_00: Shag top and everything.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_02: Can't find the knickers and shoes.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_00: And uh and he's left frustrated at the counter going, uh it wasn't what I thought it was going to be.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_00: No, but you fucking think, you've just pushed the uh issue, you should talk about everything that you're going through.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly, you should.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_00: And go from there.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_02: So, my my position on this, we've we say quite a lot, don't we?
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I actually did a tour one time in the club and uh we stood at the changing rooms.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_02: That's often where we have like little discussions, you know, while they're waiting to get into the locker to put things away and everything.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so what brings you to townhouse?
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_02: And the woman said, Oh, you know, we've been going through some difficulties, and uh you know, we thought we'd come to a swingers club to try and spice things up and you get the spark back.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_02: And I actually said at that point, can we just go into the other room?
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_02: And I went into the what was the bunk room, yeah, yeah, and I said, Do you know what, guys, this is not the right thing for you.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, if you're going through some turbulence in your relationship, I can guarantee it'll probably be over in the next few months if you swing.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you've got to be 100% solid before you go swinging.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, if there's any kind of um you know, stuff going on in your relationship, uh, or your sex life isn't great, or there's just been some words you really should not be swinging, because swinging will be the biggest wedge in between your relationship ever.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_02: And I said this to the couple, you know, maybe not quite as brutal.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and I really said, you know, I'm more than happy to give you a refund now.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_02: I just I could just see that they're they weren't even a couple.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_02: You can just like they were so far apart.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and I didn't want to be a part of them splitting up.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_02: And so they actually she took it on board and she went, do you know what?
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_02: You're probably right.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_02: He was fuming.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_02: But then once she'd said no, that was it.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_02: And they said, Well, come on, I'll take you back downstairs, and then she thanked me for that.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_02: I never heard from them again.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_02: So hopefully, you know, they they worked it out.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_02: But the one thing you don't do if your relationship is on the rocks is invite other people into it.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's ridiculous.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_02: You just you just don't do that.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_02: You've got to be 100% solid.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_02: And like you said before, communicate all the way before, during, and especially after, to figure out what you liked and what you didn't like, what worked and what didn't work, what you do again, and you know, be honest about any feelings and jealousies and stuff like that.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_02: Otherwise, that's just gonna fester and eventually it'll just erupt.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_02: And the health swing and thing will be over, your own relationship will be on the rocks, and for what?
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_02: A shag.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's just not worth it.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_00: Find sex toys.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_00: Sex toys are much more fun.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_02: We found a couple of good ones recently, the Lilo one's great, isn't it?
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_00: Lilo's a box.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_02: I've now I can't remember what the name of it is to promote it, but I might take it on the pod, on the on the main.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_00: I'll clean it first.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, please do.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_02: See ya, Mary.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_02: Right, before we go, we're gonna do a little fashion factoid.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_02: Ooky's oak.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm not gonna say do you know because it hasn't got a name, but I feel like I need to do do you know because everyone's expecting it now.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_02: In my best voice.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know?
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_00: The muffin man.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_02: Oh.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_02: Is it a shag?
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_02: Nice.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_02: It is now.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like the families needed to hear that again.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_02: So it would you like to come a little bit closer to the microphone?
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_02: Hang on, hang on, hang on.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know?
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_01: The muffin man.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, knickers have dropped everywhere.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_02: So this has not got a name.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's a thing that I've done.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_02: Inadvertently.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't necessarily.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_02: No, I've no, not I'm not talking about anything that we've done while we're together at the moment.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_02: It could go really bad.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_02: We might forget that roughly on on uh the microphone.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um no, so I did it by accident.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and it was it was pleasant, but then not so pleasant.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um something that we've seen loads in the club, but the reason I'm bringing it up is because I sort of I saw a scene with this very thing, and it's actually cake sissing.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_00: Right, okay.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_02: So it hasn't got a name, and obviously it sits alongside um you know sloshing, which we've talked about loads and messy play.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_02: But with this, um normally the submissive will bring a cake presented, a nice and you know, a proper cake, like a 30 cake.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_02: They may have even decorated themselves or whatever, and the mistress just sits and squishes in it, yeah, and they just have a little wank, and that's it.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_02: But um something that I've seen, it was a poem.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so this cake had been presented, and it was just the most beautiful cake that this person presented.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_02: And the mistress had just like a little like thong thing on, and the soap was on the floor on his back with the cake next to him.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, she sort of straddled the cake, and she was like edging him.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_02: She kept like lowering her flaps and then lifting them again, even I was edged.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, just sit on the cake, and you could see he was going, uh uh uh and she'd lift herself up again.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_02: It was it was brilliant, channel.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_02: He was holding the cake.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_02: No, he was he was on the floor, yeah, and he the cake was next to him, and then she was shadowing the cake and he was watching it sitting on the cake, right?
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_02: Right, yeah.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_02: And eventually she just went boom into the cake, and he just went all over the place.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_02: Some of the cake splattered over him and it went up a poof, right?
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and the it was like a um like a a a creamy icing cake, like a Costco cake.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, and he had jam and that on it, so it was quite drippy, yeah.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_02: So, anyway, she sat up and then went over his face, and he was just the erection was unbelievable.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_02: You could just see the anticipation on his face with this cake, and she had him, she had him.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_02: So she was lowering herself down, and the cake was like dripping off his flaps, and the it was mainly the jam, and it was like jam was just oozing, it was just like sliding a little bit dripping, and his face was like waiting for this drip, and she'd lower herself down and he'd go waiting for it, and she'd just get us up the pocket and lower herself down, and honestly, every time she lowered herself down, his penis like um tweaked, yeah.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_02: Like she's got him around his little finger there.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, she then shook her flaps and all of the jam and stuff went all over his face and she's went boom onto his face when he wasn't expecting it.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_02: So she'd shook her flaps to get the cake on his face.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_02: It got in his eyes a little bit, so when he wasn't expecting, then she sat on his face.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_02: And she was quite a curvy lady, shall we say.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_02: So there's quite a large surface area for a lot of cake to go on.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_02: So when she actually sat on him, she then like just like shimmies over his face, shuffles over, and he just goes going, the noise was just unbelievable.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_02: It was just brilliant.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, she'd done all that and she was wiping a fanny all over his face.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_02: Next thing is she used him for clean up, but she wouldn't allow him to have control.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_02: So by this time, most of the sponge and everything had gone.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_02: It was many as like a little bit of ice and then jam.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_02: So she ordered him to stick his tongue out erect.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_02: But he wasn't allowed to lick.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_02: He had to just do that.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_02: And stick his tongue out and not move it.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_02: And she would use his tongue so he wasn't licking her.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_02: Like, oh, nice licking Mrs.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_02: Flaps.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_02: He had to keep his tongue out, and she was moving her flaps up and down, just using his tongue to scrape away what was left.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_02: So he was probably being used as like a an object, you know.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_02: Well, this guy, our scars, anyway, she wouldn't allow him to touch his penis the whole time.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_02: I swear to God, Jim.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_02: Once she'd finished, he was just covered in cake, his coch was throbbing, I was purple.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_02: And she's and she just gave him a nod, and that was his direction.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_02: He touched his coch.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_02: I've never seen somebody come so quick in my life.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_02: He loved it.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_02: Loved it.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, um, that was the only thing I could find on cake system which was worth repeating because it was the edging, the anticipation, even I was edged.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, go just do it, you know.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_02: It reminded me of when I did the sploshing in work and I was in the gunge tank.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_02: But first it'd been cake and meat, and then somebody put cake on the seat that I was sitting on.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_02: And I sat on it under the gunge tank, and me and my knickers had moved out the way, obviously.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_02: People were putting cakes down my knickers and their knickers were swinging.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_02: So when I sat down, the cake went up my flu.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_02: I remember going, oh, there's actually a picture of me that I've put out there and go, oh, and the faces because it's gone right up my vagina.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I thought it was the one when they had the hose pipe and that just filled you out.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_02: No, it wasn't that one.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_00: The cold.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_02: That one is not for public consumption.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_02: So um it went right up my flu.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_02: I remember at the time it wasn't unpleasant.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_02: It didn't make me go, oh.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_02: As everybody knows, I'm I'm like, you know, the my worst kept secret is a like sploshing, but I just hadn't sit on that sat on that amount of cake before.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't expect it to actually I am I haven't got a wide vagina, you know.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I don't, don't, Jim.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and it was a lot of it got up there.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_02: But all I could think of was that was really nice, but also, oh God, I'm gonna get a thrush.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, more the point.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_02: More of the point.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_02: And maybe too much information, but I literally has to get my fingers up my vagina and dig out the cake and the cream and that.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_02: It was up there.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um again, I'm not saying I've got a wide vagina, but you know, there's a lot of cake.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, if you're into cake sitting and stuff and you're a lady, just uh expect to have some repercussions and get yourself some caniston in because you might have thrush afterwards.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_02: So from cake to caniston.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_02: On that cake to caniston bombshell, we are gonna go.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_02: So I hope you've enjoyed our first edition of Day Release.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_02: Did you enjoy that, Jim?
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_00: Certainly did, yeah.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for having me.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't that hard, was it?
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_02: It's quite enjoyable.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it will be later, yeah.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_02: So Lorraine and Morrison's was it was correct.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, it wasn't that hard.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_02: It was fun, wasn't it?
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_02: It goes quick, doesn't it?
• 54:43
  unknown: Yeah.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_02: Just chatting when you forget all the most there's loads of people out there listening.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_02: That's it.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_02: Well, there will be.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_02: So, yes, on that cake to caniston bombshell we're gonna go.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_02: So, if you've been listening, put the cat on.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_02: We'll see you in five.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_02: If not, we'll see you next week.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks for listening.
• 55:00
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• 55:01
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• 55:23
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• 55:30
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