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ARMED PERV RISES FROM BACK SEAT OF MINIVAN, MOM & KIDS SCREAM IN FEAR! 'DON'T BE A VICTIM' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. When you aren't driving along
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Speaker 1: in your car, do you zone out, listen to music,
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Speaker 1: your favorite songs, talk radio serious? Don't? And I'll tell
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Speaker 1: you why. First of all, I'll tell you all about
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Speaker 1: it in this brand new book took two years to
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Speaker 1: research right and get to You don't be a victim
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Speaker 1: fighting back against America's crime wave. You don't have to
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Speaker 1: be power less. You can fight back. And let's start
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Speaker 1: with you in your car driving dangers. I want you
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Speaker 1: to meet who I now consider a friend of mine.
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Speaker 1: Her name is Dorothy Baker. She's a mother of six,
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Speaker 1: and she lived to tell a tale to save you.
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Speaker 1: First of all, Dorothy Baker, thank you so much for
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Speaker 1: being with us. What happened when you went into the CVS.
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Speaker 1: I got him in the car. We went through the
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Speaker 1: driver's side, front seat and I had him climb over
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Speaker 1: the seat, and my five year old was buckling up
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Speaker 1: my two year old and we take off. And what
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Speaker 1: kind of car is it? It was a It was
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Speaker 1: a dodged Grand Caravan. It was a minivan. So you
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Speaker 1: have a minivan like me? Okay, um, so you're getting
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Speaker 1: into a van and you all get in on the
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Speaker 1: driver's side. Now, does it have one of those instant
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Speaker 1: door openers where you just pushed the button and it opens. No,
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Speaker 1: it didn't have that. But my keythob, I guess there
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Speaker 1: was some kind of deep factory default or some something
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Speaker 1: that are defect. And when you impress so the keysob
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Speaker 1: to lock the doors. The doors looked locked, but they
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Speaker 1: didn't always lock. Real number one lock your doors. Dorothy
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Speaker 1: thought the doors were locked, but they weren't. With me
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Speaker 1: an all start panel to break it down and put
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Speaker 1: it back together again to help you fight back. Joining me,
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Speaker 1: of course, Dorothy Baker. Jim Elliott, lawyer with Butler Snow.
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Speaker 1: You can find him at Butler snow dot com. Karen Stark,
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Speaker 1: New York psychologists joining us from Manhattan at Karen Stark
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Speaker 1: dot com. Steve Lampley detective all They of twelve and
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Speaker 1: Murdered on Amazon at Steve Lampley dot com. Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on
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Speaker 1: Amazon and Starve and You Showed Poisonous Liaisons on the
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Speaker 1: True Crime Network. Joseph Scott Morgan, Tom Pateri, America's leading
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Speaker 1: personal safety expert author of Tampaterri's Personal Protection Handbook, and
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Speaker 1: it's awesome. And to Ray Kiputo, lead news anchor w
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Speaker 1: DBO Orlando. You know, Ray Kaputo, We're gonna get to
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Speaker 1: the rest of Dorothy's story. But crimes on people in
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Speaker 1: cars happened all of the time. I can't tell you
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Speaker 1: how many nights, Ray Kiputo, I'll be sitting there in
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Speaker 1: AshEL and studios, in a dark studio, and I would
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Speaker 1: start the story off with white minivan tag x y
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Speaker 1: Z one two three, last seen in her car, in
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Speaker 1: her Volkswagen, in her Honda. I mean, I said it
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Speaker 1: over and over and over, people being veered off the road,
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Speaker 1: road raged, stopped in their cars, attacked, kidnapped, and murdered,
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Speaker 1: over and over and over. How many stories have you
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Speaker 1: covered like that, Ray Kaputo, Nancy of the Orlando area
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Speaker 1: here is it's non stop. We have I four tons
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Speaker 1: of traffic, people always get around, lots of tourists, especially
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Speaker 1: which are easy targets, you know. But because I said
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Speaker 1: yesterday morning there was a murder, suicide in the car,
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Speaker 1: another car jacking, I mean, it really is non stop nowadays. Well,
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you this much. They messed with the wrong mom.
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Speaker 1: They're in Baytown, Texas when they tried to mess with
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Speaker 1: Dorothy Baker, mother of six. So Dorothy, what happened next?
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Speaker 1: I drive away and my son, my oldest boy, decided
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Speaker 1: that he was gonna unbuckle a seat bolt to try
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Speaker 1: to get the donuts, and I told him to sit down.
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, how do donuts get into this? Where
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Speaker 1: were the donuts? We had actually saw the man at
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Speaker 1: Kroger right across the street. I went to Kroger's first.
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Speaker 1: You saw him at Kroger? Yeah, And I was walking
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Speaker 1: into Kroger's because I was going to grab a few
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Speaker 1: items and then turn in a red box d ned
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Speaker 1: when when I first saw him, I had to pass
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Speaker 1: by him. I thought maybe he might have been a worker.
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Speaker 1: But um like the feeling that I got when I
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Speaker 1: saw him, my whole body just kind of moved away
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Speaker 1: from him, like I don't need to be around him.
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Speaker 1: He had a very bad vibe. If if you can
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Speaker 1: believe that, you know, just Steve Lampley, detective author of
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Speaker 1: twelve and Murder, right there, I want to ask you
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Speaker 1: a bad vibe. You know, I've heard crime victims say
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Speaker 1: that a million times, and it's it's happened to me too. Instinctively,
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Speaker 1: you know somebody is violent or bad. And I don't
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Speaker 1: think it's a hunch, Steve Lampley. I think it's part
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Speaker 1: of instinct born over thousands of thousands of years. Fancy,
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Speaker 1: you're correct, and I can't tell you not only from
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Speaker 1: the victim's standpoint of people that I have talked to
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Speaker 1: who have told me the very same thing. I got
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Speaker 1: a feeling. I had this gut instinct, I had something,
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Speaker 1: and even myself, as a police officer, have had that happen.
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Speaker 1: And when you go to check or you follow through,
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Speaker 1: your gut instinct is correct. I always listen to people
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Speaker 1: who tell me I felt this or I felt like
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Speaker 1: that always, you know, Karen Stark a psychologists joining us
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Speaker 1: from Manhattan. A lot of pseudo intellectuals will probably disagree
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Speaker 1: with me, but I have been known to quote, get
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Speaker 1: a feeling and it turns out to be exactly right.
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Speaker 1: It's some kind of something you pick up off the
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Speaker 1: person because you hear Dorothy talking, she saw the guy
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Speaker 1: and she almost physically recoiled. You have to trust your
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Speaker 1: instincts in these cases, Nancy, because I think it's part
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Speaker 1: of our DNA. You know, you're talking about an instinct
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Speaker 1: that has grown inside of people, and there's a reason
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Speaker 1: that it's there. You have the history, and you've got
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Speaker 1: to pay attention to it. It's very, very important. If
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Speaker 1: it feels bad, go with your gut, you know. To you,
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Speaker 1: Dorothy Baker, one of our favorite things to do is
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Speaker 1: to drive to it. It was for a long time,
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Speaker 1: for ten years, across the street from where I lived.
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Speaker 1: My favorite thing in the world to eat a Crispy
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Speaker 1: Creme donut. You know, hot donuts, now the glazed ones.
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Speaker 1: Long story short, Let me get off the donuts and
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Speaker 1: back to your story. What happened next? Well, I told
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Speaker 1: my five year old son at the time. He got
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Speaker 1: up to get some donuts and I told him to
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Speaker 1: sit down. Well, when he went to sit back down,
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Speaker 1: he actually saw the guy and he said, hey, who
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Speaker 1: are you? Oh more stars, And I looked in my
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Speaker 1: rear view mirror, and that's when he grabbed my son
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Speaker 1: and put the knife in my son's throat. I'm just
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Speaker 1: trying to take in what you are saying. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you know, Joseph S. Gott Morgan, Professor Forensics. There's even
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Speaker 1: a movie which, of course I've shown the twins rear window,
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Speaker 1: and it's in our psyche. I mean, it's in our
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Speaker 1: subconscious looking in the rear window and seeing just what
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Speaker 1: Dorothy's describing Right now, you see a guy come up
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Speaker 1: in the rear window, and you've got your children back there. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I'm a forensic scientist by trade, Nancy, and I gotta
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Speaker 1: tell you these feelings that people have. You see this
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Speaker 1: threat that's approaching, and your senses start tingling, and you
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Speaker 1: know that there's something wrong. This is the reality. I
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Speaker 1: have seen the end result of these things that have
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Speaker 1: gone bad over and over and over again. It is
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Speaker 1: better to react to that good instinct than to have
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Speaker 1: something really, really bad happen. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Guys,
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Speaker 1: don't be a victim fighting back against America's crime wave.
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Speaker 1: This is a labor of love. My proceed is going
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Speaker 1: to National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Took over
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Speaker 1: two years to research right and get this to you.
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Speaker 1: I take all the cases I investigated, all the cases
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Speaker 1: I personally prosecuted and covered over all these years to
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Speaker 1: make a difference, to come up with something not just
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Speaker 1: rehash the bloody details of cases but to figure out, what,
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Speaker 1: if anything, have we learned. How can we use that
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Speaker 1: knowledge so we don't go through life powerlessness, powerless against
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Speaker 1: those stronger or more cunning than we are, those people
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Speaker 1: that are predators, that think differently than we do. I
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Speaker 1: don't like the feeling of powerlessness. Don't live that way.
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Speaker 1: Learn what you can do to fight back, because you can.
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Speaker 1: With me. Special guest Tom Petteri, America's leading personal safety expert,
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Speaker 1: author of Tom Petteri's Personal Protection Handbook. As far as
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Speaker 1: I'm concerned, Tom, in most cases, the vast majority of cases,
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Speaker 1: once the perp is in your car, it's over once
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Speaker 1: they get in your car. Yes, And the problem with
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Speaker 1: this is there's two ways to deal with things. You'd
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Speaker 1: be proactive or reactive. We're a reactive society. That's why
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Speaker 1: we get ourselves into different troubles. We're preoccupied with things
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Speaker 1: like that. Proactive. Let's look at the vehicle as a
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Speaker 1: protective veil. When you go to your vehicle, especially with kids,
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Speaker 1: you need to bypass that vehicle, maybe one car. Take
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Speaker 1: a good look at the surroundings of the vehicle. If
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Speaker 1: you see somebody coming towards you, you get those kids
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Speaker 1: closer to you, you go back to where you came from.
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Speaker 1: As you circle into the vehicle, look into that vehicle,
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Speaker 1: as with Miss Baker said about her locks not being
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Speaker 1: locked because of the keypad, So you look inside the
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Speaker 1: vehicle and believe you, when you have kids on your hands,
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Speaker 1: it's even more cumbersome to do this. But if we
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Speaker 1: take that five second or six seconds of safety, it
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Speaker 1: could prevent us from being a victim. Dorothy, you're a miracle.
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Speaker 1: You are a miracle that you survive to join us today.
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Speaker 1: What happened next? While I'm driving, I'm trying to dial
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Speaker 1: nine one one without him seeing me with my phone,
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Speaker 1: and when he ends up jumping into the climbing over
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Speaker 1: the seats and into the front seat. He saw me
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Speaker 1: with my phone and he tried to get it, and
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Speaker 1: I moved my hand, but I hit my hand on
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Speaker 1: the door and my phone dropped in between the door
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Speaker 1: and the seat, and he's trying to get it. I'm
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Speaker 1: trying to drive, and when he realized he couldn't get it,
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Speaker 1: that's when he tries to slit my throat and I'm
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Speaker 1: fighting him, trying to drive, and my kids are screaming
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Speaker 1: in the back seat. I'm trying to keep the knife
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Speaker 1: away from any part of my body and I see
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Speaker 1: a telephone pole on the right hand side of the road,
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Speaker 1: and my first thought is, he's not wearing a seatbelt.
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Speaker 1: If I hit that pole, if I go fast enough,
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Speaker 1: he'll go through the windfield. If if I don't go
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Speaker 1: fast enough, he'll at least hit his head hard enough
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Speaker 1: to where he maybe dazed and I can fight him
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Speaker 1: off and finished talking to our calle do something. It's
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Speaker 1: amazing to me you're having this thought process as a
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Speaker 1: guy is in the car. Luckily you're in the boys
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Speaker 1: are all buckled in, so your mind immediately goes to
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Speaker 1: if I crash into this phone pole, he'll fly through
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Speaker 1: the windshell. I mean to you. Jim Elliott, lawyer with
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Speaker 1: Butler Snow at butlersnow dot com. Jim, you have seen
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Speaker 1: so many vehicular homicides and we hear quote the car
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Speaker 1: got out of control, the motorcycle got out of control.
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Speaker 1: I don't think most people have the wherewithal to come
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Speaker 1: up with a plan when they've got their children in
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Speaker 1: the car screaming. A guy rears up in the back
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Speaker 1: and the rear window with a knife. Now he's up
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Speaker 1: front with a knife with you, and here she is
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Speaker 1: coming up with a plan. Most people that have vehicular mishaps,
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Speaker 1: they lose control. They can't think of a plan exactly.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is the exactly the opposite of losing
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Speaker 1: can all. She exactly had control of the vehicle, knew
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Speaker 1: I mean, how smart to have that thought in an
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Speaker 1: instant to do an accident that hopefully would would would
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Speaker 1: hurt him. And you also hear Jim Elliott, you never
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Speaker 1: hear of people dying in a crash when the car's
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Speaker 1: not moving. Here she is moving down the street and
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Speaker 1: this guy is up front with a knife. Typically, and
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Speaker 1: your practice, the faster you go, the more likely it
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Speaker 1: is you're gonna die. They'll try try. Truly, her mother
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Speaker 1: instincts kicked in, didn't He didn't. Hey, I'm just surprised
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Speaker 1: you could think that. Clearly, Go ahead, Dorothy. I'm driving
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Speaker 1: with one hand, and I'm constantly switching hands depending on
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Speaker 1: where the knife was. I was constantly switching hands, keeping
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Speaker 1: my hand one hand on the steering wheel and the
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Speaker 1: other hand fighting. Really it was my right hand because
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm right handed, so I was mainly using my
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Speaker 1: right hand to fight him. Off and I managed to
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Speaker 1: push him. So he went for your throat. He went
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Speaker 1: for your throat with a knife. He went for my
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Speaker 1: throat first and then tried my side and then my legs.
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Speaker 1: He was trying to do some damage. He was not
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Speaker 1: just messing around. So so how he slashed you all
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Speaker 1: the way across your chest at the time, when you
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Speaker 1: were slashed with a knife across your chest, over your heart,
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Speaker 1: did you even feel the pain or were you in shot?
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Speaker 1: What happened? I didn't feel anything, but I thought bigger
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Speaker 1: and better, better than you have tried to end me.
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Speaker 1: And it's not going down like this, you know it
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Speaker 1: just Scott Morgan. She seemingly didn't feel when this guy
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Speaker 1: slashed her with a knife from shoulder all the way
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Speaker 1: across her heart and breast. She said she didn't feel it. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: adrenaline is kicking in at this point. I mean, there's
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Speaker 1: all kinds of things that you're not gonna feel because
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Speaker 1: you've become desensitized to it, because you are laser focused
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Speaker 1: on the fact. Listen, you're you're talking about a mama
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Speaker 1: bear with her cubs in the back seat. Nancy, There's
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Speaker 1: nothing that's going to be getting between her and those
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Speaker 1: babies trying to protect them, and so she's gonna take
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Speaker 1: these desperate measures try to get this guy off over.
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine somebody coming at you with an edged
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Speaker 1: weapon to try to slice you to pieces? And you
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Speaker 1: know what's going to happen to your kids if you
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Speaker 1: don't defend them. Dorothy, isn't true he beat you? Well?
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Speaker 1: He when he bit in my hand, he was. He
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Speaker 1: was trying to get me to let go of his
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Speaker 1: knife because I had his nice by then. Um, and
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Speaker 1: I've got the scars on my hand to prove wall
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Speaker 1: you manage to disarm, he Smeil Martinez. You got the
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Speaker 1: knife away from a knife away from him and that's
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Speaker 1: why he bit my hand. Did you punch him in
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Speaker 1: the face? I did? I did you punch him in
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Speaker 1: the face? I where did it land? I hope in
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Speaker 1: the nose, because that really hurts. I had the knife
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Speaker 1: in my right hand and he bit my hands, and
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Speaker 1: when he realized that I wasn't going to let go,
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Speaker 1: he just kind of looked at me, and I switched
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Speaker 1: the knife with from my right hand to my left hand,
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Speaker 1: and I just hauled off and punched him square in
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Speaker 1: the jaw. And he looked at me shocked. Well what
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Speaker 1: were the boys doing during all this? At some point,
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Speaker 1: my my youngest at the time, he was he had
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Speaker 1: stopped crying. Um. And my five year old he actually hid.
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Speaker 1: He really didn't, he didn't do much anything. He was
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Speaker 1: in shock. I mean when when the guy grabbed him,
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Speaker 1: I could see like all the life go out of
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Speaker 1: my son's face. So that was that was not a
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Speaker 1: good uh, not a good feeling. So um. But my
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Speaker 1: kids they were they were safe and they didn't get hurt.
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Speaker 1: There was no no cuts on them, no, no, nothing. Well,
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Speaker 1: let me ask you this one goes into basically shock mode.
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Speaker 1: Which one was in shocking? Which one was screaming his
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Speaker 1: head off? My two year old he was the one
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Speaker 1: in the car seat screaming. And my older boys five
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Speaker 1: year old he was one that went into Shaw crime
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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace, guys, we are talking about fighting
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Speaker 1: back if you have an attack while you're going to
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Speaker 1: or in your car. And with me Dorothy Baker who
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Speaker 1: managed to survive a knife attack in her mini van
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Speaker 1: with her little boys in the car. Dorothy, do you
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Speaker 1: remember the mama you hit the gas and mowed him down. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I do. I was watching him run away, and what
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Speaker 1: went through my head was he was he was at Kroger's.
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Speaker 1: He was close enough to walk there. He didn't have
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Speaker 1: a vehicle, he had a knife this time. What happens
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Speaker 1: if I see him next time and he has a
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Speaker 1: gun and I have all my kids, or what happens
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Speaker 1: if there's a mother who doesn't it isn't going to
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Speaker 1: be able to to help her kids, and she panics
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Speaker 1: and she's got a baby, and he goes after her.
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Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, I'll be barned if I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna let that happen and watch him walk away. And
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Speaker 1: my intention was as he was running away, was I
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Speaker 1: went after him, and I had my door to where
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Speaker 1: I was going to open it and hit him with it.
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Speaker 1: And when we were, when I was driving behind him,
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Speaker 1: he made a swerve and I had sped up just
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Speaker 1: right then at I guess, the perfect time, and I
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Speaker 1: heard him hit my tires And the only thing I
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Speaker 1: thought after that was, oh my god, I'm going to
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Speaker 1: jail because I just killed this man. What's going to
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Speaker 1: happen to my kids? Well luckily she didn't kill him
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Speaker 1: and she didn't go to jail. This guy has a
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Speaker 1: rap sheet as long as I seventy five. I'm so
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Speaker 1: glad Dorothy Baker that, let's just say, your foot slipped
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Speaker 1: and you mowed him down before he could knife attack
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Speaker 1: another young mother. So, Dorothy, I know you're not surprised
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Speaker 1: to discover your front and center in the new book,
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Speaker 1: Don't be a victim fighting back against America's crime way.
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Speaker 1: When it comes to safety in cars, You're actually one
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Speaker 1: of the very few crime victims that have lived to
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Speaker 1: tell the tale. So how did your experience change you?
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Speaker 1: It is it always did. I didn't drive my van
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Speaker 1: and I actually got rid of it. I still to
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Speaker 1: this day will not let my kids in the car
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Speaker 1: until I've looked in the car. I'm always very observance
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Speaker 1: of most surroundings and the people around me. I watch
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Speaker 1: if they're following the earth, are going in the same direction.
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Speaker 1: If I feel like someone's following me, I'll make detours
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Speaker 1: to see things like that. I mean, it's it's made
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Speaker 1: me very very interesting of people, Dorothy lived, That's not
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Speaker 1: true for countless others. Take a listen to our friends
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Speaker 1: at Fox seven News Austin. Brittany Parker's mother and father
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Speaker 1: have not spoken with her since last Monday. Her phone
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Speaker 1: is off and now without a car, her family is
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Speaker 1: becoming increasingly worried for her safety. It's hard every day.
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Speaker 1: It's when I wake up. It's hard to avoid depression.
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Speaker 1: I have to keep my mind centered on God, or
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Speaker 1: you know, it would just be hard to cope. David
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Speaker 1: Parker's daughter, Brittany, has been missing since Tuesday, July twelfth.
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Speaker 1: On the fourteenth, Has County Sheriff's deputy is called to
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Speaker 1: say they've found the twenty six year olds vehicle with
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Speaker 1: the key still in it in a field and Kyle,
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Speaker 1: I'm hoping Brittany just decided to go someplace and it's okay.
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Speaker 1: But wouldn't she Her car's abandoned and she didn't answer
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Speaker 1: her phone. It does lead to extreme concern. This beautiful
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Speaker 1: young Texas girl goes missing in her Toyota camera. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at Fox seven. We do
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Speaker 1: have an update on a missing person's case out of
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Speaker 1: Hayes County. Officials say they found and identified the body
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Speaker 1: of Brittany Parker on Friday. She was reported missing since
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Speaker 1: July twelfth. Parker's body was found in the same cornfield
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Speaker 1: where her Toyota camera was found abandoned last month. Officials
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Speaker 1: were able to pinpoint her location through phone records and
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Speaker 1: GPS coordinates. Parker's cause of death is still under investigation.
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Speaker 1: Straight Out to Ray Caputo, lead news anchor WDBO Orlando,
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Speaker 1: What happened? What are the facts around Britney Parker's disappearance
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Speaker 1: in her Toyota camera? Well, Nancy, you know, Britney was
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Speaker 1: having a little trouble according to her family, should you
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Speaker 1: had some depression and she was she was out and
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Speaker 1: it was really simple that she was very out of
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Speaker 1: character for that. She was supposed to be coming back
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Speaker 1: home and nobody heard from her. It was was Tuesday,
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Speaker 1: July at twelfth of twenty sixteen. This was in the
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Speaker 1: Southoston area as well. This young girl goes missing in
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Speaker 1: her Toyota camera. Her parents try everything to locate her,
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Speaker 1: holding out hope that she is still alive. She has
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Speaker 1: found dead in her car. Her body found in a
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Speaker 1: field off Old Mineral Springs Road and Walker County. But why?
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Speaker 1: What could have saved her life? Straight Out to a
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Speaker 1: special guest joining us is named Tom Peterri. He's known
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Speaker 1: as America's leading personal safety expert and author of Tom
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Speaker 1: Peterr's Personal Protection Handbook. What are things that all of
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Speaker 1: us can do to protect ourselves in our vehicles? Okay,
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Speaker 1: so let's look at the society as a whole. Less
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Speaker 1: than seven percent we'll ever take a martial art, self
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Speaker 1: defense or safety course. So the people that are victimizing
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Speaker 1: us know that, you know, nine out of ten people
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Speaker 1: are going to be an easy mark. That being said,
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Speaker 1: being proactive, well, these phones could be tracked, so they
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Speaker 1: should have a phone locate on all the time, a
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Speaker 1: check and balance. Hey mom, Hey dad, here's where I'm
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Speaker 1: going to go. You know, when I get there, our
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Speaker 1: call you. If not, they go track the phone. If
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Speaker 1: they're in the vehicle, okay, I don't care. If the
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Speaker 1: person has a weapon brandished and pointing at him, it's
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Speaker 1: a protective veil. Hit the gas and take off. You'll
24:37
Speaker 1: see that statistical fact is the bad guy doesn't fire weapons,
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Speaker 1: buying lead, he doesn't try to break through windows. He's
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Speaker 1: using intimidation to get into the vehicle to go to
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Speaker 1: an isolation zone. So if we're more proactive, if we
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Speaker 1: feel in tune to our senses and take a little
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Speaker 1: time to have safety sense instead of common sense will
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Speaker 1: be much better. Ye. And it always seems to start
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Speaker 1: Steve Lampley, detective and author of twelve and Murdered, as
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Speaker 1: in the case of Brittany, it seems to start so innocently,
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Speaker 1: someone was going to the grocery store, or with Dorothy,
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Speaker 1: she had been to Kroger, and she saw this guy
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Speaker 1: at Kroger. And what she didn't know as he followed
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Speaker 1: her across the street with her little boys to CBS.
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Speaker 1: So the fact that you're not alone. She had children
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Speaker 1: with her, but he still targeted her so seemingly innocent,
25:37
Speaker 1: simple things. Aaron's going to the mall, going to the
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Speaker 1: grocery store, going to the pharmacy. That's where you're targeted.
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Speaker 1: It is, Nancy, and I have told so many people
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Speaker 1: over the years, even when I was a police officer,
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Speaker 1: detective and even now having retired for these many years.
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Speaker 1: The real estate profession has a phrase. It says, location, location, Location, Well,
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Speaker 1: when you're out and about with or without your family,
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Speaker 1: alone or with someone else, it's about your surroundings. Your surroundings,
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Speaker 1: your surroundings. Always look around you for anything, like he
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Speaker 1: was saying a while ago, look for things, look for
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Speaker 1: somebody watching you look for somebody following you, look for
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Speaker 1: somebody staring at you, look for the person sitting next
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Speaker 1: to you in the car when you pull in. You
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Speaker 1: have to observe. You really really have to pay attention.
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Speaker 1: And isn't it true? Jim Elliott, lawyer with Butler Snow
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Speaker 1: at Butler Snow dot com. Jim Elliot. Very often I'll
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Speaker 1: put up at a red light and I'll look around.
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Speaker 1: I think, you know what, there's a huge jail population
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Speaker 1: out on pardon, parole, probation, bond. I mean millions and
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Speaker 1: millions of them. Is that guy one of them? When
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Speaker 1: I'm at the grocery store and I go, hi, was
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Speaker 1: that guy out on bail for a violent crime? You
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Speaker 1: never know who's around you, Joe Scott, You never know, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: because this is the thing. You're not watching them. They
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Speaker 1: are watching you, particularly those individuals that are meant to
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Speaker 1: do harm to those that are completely defenseless. You have
27:16
Speaker 1: to work, You have to live in this world as
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Speaker 1: if their predators around every corner. Because Nancy reality is
27:23
Speaker 1: is that there are crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys
27:39
Speaker 1: we're talking about don't be a victim fighting back against
27:43
Speaker 1: America's Crime Wave, a new book that took over two
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Speaker 1: years to write. For you to take back the power
27:52
Speaker 1: and fight back against criminals. Don't be a statistic. Jenna
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Speaker 1: Zipton WSLS tells us the story of Heather she Can.
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Speaker 1: An investigation underway after a woman was found dead in
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Speaker 1: a vehicle in Spotsylvania County. Deputy has discovered twenty one
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Speaker 1: year old Heather Scone's body in the passenger seat of
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Speaker 1: her car Monday. The car was parked at the end
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Speaker 1: of a driveway about thirty minutes from her home. Police
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Speaker 1: say she had been shot at Her death is suspicious.
28:25
Speaker 1: Police don't know of any connection between the woman and
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Speaker 1: the home where she was found. Her parents say she
28:31
Speaker 1: lived with them and told them she was going to
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Speaker 1: help a friend whose car broke down. Now the family
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Speaker 1: is pleading for answers. Please, if anybody has any information,
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Speaker 1: can bring whoever did this to justice, please do so.
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Speaker 1: Family members believe she was killed by another woman. They
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Speaker 1: say she had been recently getting death threats, so lured
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Speaker 1: out in her car on the side of the road,
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Speaker 1: try to repair a flat, everything goes wrong. Heather dead?
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Speaker 1: How did it happen? And what can we do to
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Speaker 1: stop crimes like that. Back to Tom Petteri, America's leading
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Speaker 1: expert personal safety author of Tom Petteri's Personal Protection Handbook,
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Speaker 1: and it's awesome pulling over to fix a flat. Oh man,
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Speaker 1: it hurts me to even say it, Tom. I know
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Speaker 1: one of the newest ploys out there is that that
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Speaker 1: flat was set up. In most cases it was done
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Speaker 1: with a little puncture of a sole leak, somebody following you,
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Speaker 1: waiting for, you know, an isolation zone, and then take
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Speaker 1: advantage of you know, the old adage was stay in
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Speaker 1: your car, call the police and wait. The new adages
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Speaker 1: ride that car on the rim as you're calling the police.
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Speaker 1: Don't stop the vehicle and they will be within prompt time.
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Speaker 1: All right. The police are there to help, but they
29:52
Speaker 1: can't help if they don't know. So don't pull over
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Speaker 1: in isolation zones. No matter what, the vehicle can be replaced,
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Speaker 1: but you cannot. I go through pages and pages of
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Speaker 1: tips that I've gotten from experts from real life cases
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Speaker 1: to help you not be a victim when it comes
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Speaker 1: to being in your car. Don't be a victim. Here
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Speaker 1: are a few, of course. Make sure your doors are locked.
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Speaker 1: How often do you drive around with them unlocked. Don't
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Speaker 1: do it at red lights when you park you're sitting target.
30:31
Speaker 1: Some repairs have to wait. I get it, but not
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Speaker 1: when it comes to your doors being locked. You heard
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Speaker 1: Dorothy say she thought she locked her car, but her
30:41
Speaker 1: key fob wasn't working. The car never locked. When you
30:45
Speaker 1: find yourself stopped to traffic, being at a red light
30:47
Speaker 1: or stop sign, waiting for the person in front of
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Speaker 1: you to move, always leave plenty of space between yourself
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Speaker 1: and them so you're never blocked in to Tomati Erie.
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Speaker 1: Why is that so important, Well, one of the things
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Speaker 1: that people do is called the box and two. A
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Speaker 1: boxing two is basically to get you in a situation
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Speaker 1: where you can't move the vehicle. When you can't move
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Speaker 1: the vehicle, you are at their bay. So if you
31:16
Speaker 1: give yourself that little extra out, you always stay out
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Speaker 1: of fast lanes when you're coming to a light. If
31:23
Speaker 1: you are at a light and somebody approaches you, look
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Speaker 1: left and right go through the light. You could always
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Speaker 1: explain to the police officer, listen, you are fear of
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Speaker 1: your life and this is why you did what you do.
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Speaker 1: We have to start listening to ourselves, our situational awareness
31:40
Speaker 1: is inside of us. That's the tingling all the experts
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Speaker 1: talked about before. Be your own bodyguard by being proactive,
31:49
Speaker 1: be super cautious at crowded intersections. How often has squeegee
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Speaker 1: guys come up? Street vendors, people asking for money, panhandles,
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Speaker 1: newspaper water salesman. I learned the hard ways the prosecutor
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Speaker 1: that very often youths are tricked by adults into working scams.
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Speaker 1: You let your window down to buy a bottle of
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Speaker 1: water or a candy bar from a kid who looks
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Speaker 1: like they're trying to earn money, and the next thing
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Speaker 1: you know, somebody comes in from the other side and
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Speaker 1: gets in your car. And that's why your car has
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Speaker 1: got to be a lot and the windows up when
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Speaker 1: you come to intersect intersections. Agree or disagree? Steve Lampley agree,
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Speaker 1: Nancy agree. Even as a retired police officer, I do
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Speaker 1: that I leave space enough room between me and the
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Speaker 1: vehicle in front of me. If I need to get out,
32:44
Speaker 1: I can. I sit still, and some people call me paranoid.
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Speaker 1: I just call it being observant and being safe. I
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Speaker 1: still sit with my back in the corner in a restaurant.
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Speaker 1: These are things too second nature. It is, and I
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Speaker 1: know everybody can't sit in the corner in a restaurant
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Speaker 1: is over thes But you have to do the things
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Speaker 1: that you have to do to keep yourself, your friends
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Speaker 1: and family safe. Like locking your door. For me now
33:08
Speaker 1: a second nature. I immediately punch the butt until locking
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Speaker 1: my doors, avoid distractions, keep the volume low on podcast
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Speaker 1: news or music. And in the same vein, do you
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Speaker 1: really need to update your Instagram or text while you're
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Speaker 1: a driving or while you're at a red light, or
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Speaker 1: after you park your car? Can't you do it when
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Speaker 1: you get home for Pete's sake? So show some self control.
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, you're the death investigator. How many times
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Speaker 1: have you heard of death fatalities because people are on
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Speaker 1: their phone when they're driving, much less at red lights
33:51
Speaker 1: and when they first part their car or sit back
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Speaker 1: down in their car in the parking lot. Yeah, you know,
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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, Nancy. It used to be where
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Speaker 1: I was terrified of drunk drivers, and I still am,
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Speaker 1: but now I see you know, I'm a college professor.
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Speaker 1: I see kids walking around campus all the time with
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Speaker 1: their nose buried in a phone. I see people riding
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Speaker 1: around campus with their nose buried in the phone. There's
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Speaker 1: so many distractions in this world, and it is absolutely
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Speaker 1: terrifying because, like I have said, predators are looking for
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Speaker 1: that way in, They're looking for that leverage. They're looking
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Speaker 1: for that place where they can attack you and get
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Speaker 1: what they want, either property, maybe your wallet, maybe your car.
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Speaker 1: Maybe they want your car or at you know, in
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Speaker 1: these horrible situations your life, they want to do harm
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Speaker 1: to you and your family. And the reality is to
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Speaker 1: get the things you're mentioning, they will kill you to
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Speaker 1: get them. And to Jim Elliott, attorney with Butler Snow
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Speaker 1: at Butler snow dot com, Jim, isn't it a traffic
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Speaker 1: violation or a crime now? For you to be texting
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Speaker 1: and driving? Is every stage of adopted laws of that sort,
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Speaker 1: Yet you see people all the time doing it. It's amazing. Predators, criminals,
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Speaker 1: they can't wait for you to ease up at a
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Speaker 1: red light or stop sign and get on that phone.
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Speaker 1: You'll never hear them walking up to your driver's side door.
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Speaker 1: The next thing you know, the first thing you'll know,
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Speaker 1: that door is open and they're in your car. So
35:21
Speaker 1: where are you supposed to go. Why do you think
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Speaker 1: they're in your car? They want something like Joe Scott said,
35:28
Speaker 1: you're a pocketbook, your money, your laptop or you. So
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Speaker 1: many of these ladies are raped, sodomized and murdered, taken
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Speaker 1: out of their car. How are these people getting in?
35:44
Speaker 1: That predator is just walking around that parking lot at
35:47
Speaker 1: the CVS waiting for you to come part and then
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Speaker 1: look down on your phone. They can't wait. I mean,
35:55
Speaker 1: you know, Karen start I keep talking about them like
35:58
Speaker 1: their wolves. They very much are like let's just say
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Speaker 1: the hyena at the watering hole in the Seengetti. Here
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Speaker 1: we are the gazelle coming up to drink, and we're
36:13
Speaker 1: not looking up, We're looking down, and that's just what
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Speaker 1: they want. Why after all this time, do we still
36:21
Speaker 1: seem to go to our safe spot in our head
36:24
Speaker 1: and not realize what's going on around us. Well, there's
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Speaker 1: so many distractions, especially today against as you said, we've
36:31
Speaker 1: got iPhones. We could look at social media, and there's
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Speaker 1: this false sense of security. It's just we're not living
36:40
Speaker 1: anymore in where the Serengetti world. We're supposed to be
36:45
Speaker 1: very conscious of the fact that we're prey, but we
36:48
Speaker 1: are prey, and the more that you're in a vulnerable situation,
36:52
Speaker 1: the more you're going to attract somebody who's just looking
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Speaker 1: to attack you. Don't give rides to stranger. Think Ted Bundy.
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Speaker 1: Charge your phone, keeper charger in your car, use GPS,
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Speaker 1: Be careful when you ask strangers for directions. What do
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Speaker 1: you do if you have a flat or a car trouble?
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Speaker 1: What do you do if somebody bumps into you on
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Speaker 1: purpose at a red light. I'm not trying to scare you,
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Speaker 1: none of us on the panel today, or trying to
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Speaker 1: scare you or actually trying to save your life. Don't
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Speaker 1: be a victim. Fight back. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off,
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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,