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3 to 10 · GAS MONEY

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SPEAKER_02: Welcome to another installment of Gas Money.
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SPEAKER_02: We're missing um our two anchors.
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SPEAKER_02: I want to call them anchors today.
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SPEAKER_02: Um Red is not here for uh medicinal reasons.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna just go with that.
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SPEAKER_02: Um so we have uh the Chubby single in the building.
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SPEAKER_10: We also got Ace in the building.
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SPEAKER_10: What the fuck was that?
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SPEAKER_08: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_06: It should have been more enthusiastic because you're single.
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SPEAKER_08: We also got Kyoto in the building.
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SPEAKER_06: Hi, yes.
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SPEAKER_08: Good to have you.
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SPEAKER_06: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_08: Okay.
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SPEAKER_08: Did somebody introduce Ace?
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SPEAKER_02: Did you?
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SPEAKER_08: Yeah, he did.
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SPEAKER_08: He did.
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SPEAKER_08: Alright, cool.
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SPEAKER_10: That was after the bird call.
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SPEAKER_08: Oh, exactly.
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SPEAKER_08: It got too.
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SPEAKER_10: I just like how it's very funny what AG did there.
0:43
SPEAKER_10: What?
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SPEAKER_10: So we have two people missing.
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SPEAKER_10: Red's missing for med whatever.
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SPEAKER_10: We got you.
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SPEAKER_10: We got Chubby Sav in the building.
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SPEAKER_10: He forgot about the whole other person that's missing.
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SPEAKER_10: Who?
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SPEAKER_10: Zap.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, he's always missing.
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SPEAKER_02: Doesn't really matter.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, uh, how was your guys' weekends?
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SPEAKER_02: Pretty funny.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Can I get a detail at least one from my rhythm?
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, he seemed to have a very eventful.
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SPEAKER_08: Oh, so he went on the safari.
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SPEAKER_06: And my cousins, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Lion's.
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SPEAKER_02: They had raps and shit on the street.
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SPEAKER_02: Rats are cool.
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SPEAKER_06: No, but that's how it is in the Bronx.
1:17
SPEAKER_02: Hey, it's the Bronx, you know?
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SPEAKER_02: Third world.
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SPEAKER_02: No.
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SPEAKER_02: So your your weekend, sir?
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SPEAKER_10: My weekend I had a game night with my friend AG.
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SPEAKER_10: I was there, yeah.
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SPEAKER_10: Chilling, playing games.
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SPEAKER_02: We barely got through taboo.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: It turned into like a couples argument.
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SPEAKER_02: I guess that's what it turned into.
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SPEAKER_02: Y'all niggas ain't shit.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, y'all bitches ain't shit.
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SPEAKER_02: And that's pretty much it.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, I'm learning we ain't shit together.
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SPEAKER_08: The couples group is uh slowly diminishing.
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SPEAKER_08: Oh, yeah.
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SPEAKER_08: Oh, yeah, but like, you're not gonna talk about your uh Nah.
1:46
SPEAKER_10: Why not?
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SPEAKER_10: The fans care about you, man.
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SPEAKER_10: If they care so much, they can go find my Instagram and slide in my DMs.
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SPEAKER_10: Oh wow.
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SPEAKER_10: Okay, what about the men fans?
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SPEAKER_08: You sound like a creep that we know who's just been in prison for uh an amount of years that uh none of us want to endure.
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SPEAKER_02: I think he's talking about Mr.
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SPEAKER_02: Billp Cosby.
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SPEAKER_02: So um, I mean we can roll right into that if you want to hear it.
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SPEAKER_08: Oh, that's what they're gonna call me when he gets Mr.
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SPEAKER_08: Bill Up.
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SPEAKER_08: Mr.
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SPEAKER_08: Bill Cosby.
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SPEAKER_10: I want to know, is it true that he really got that hot dog bun tossed out?
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SPEAKER_10: Yeah, I think somebody threw a hot dog at it.
2:22
SPEAKER_02: Let's uh pull it back a little bit.
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SPEAKER_02: So he is doing how many years?
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SPEAKER_02: Three to ten.
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SPEAKER_02: Three to ten.
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SPEAKER_02: Three to ten.
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SPEAKER_02: What does that mean?
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SPEAKER_10: Basically, you have a guaranteed three if you basically and it's basically up to ten.
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SPEAKER_10: So you could basically catch it in fresh and then it could go up.
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SPEAKER_02: I have never heard of a three to ten before.
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SPEAKER_08: Yeah, so they tell you.
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SPEAKER_08: Is that what with good behavior he could get?
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SPEAKER_08: Yes, exactly.
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SPEAKER_08: Good behavior.
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SPEAKER_08: If you do everything, pay the right people, keep your head down, you don't mention certain waivers, you you you'll get out in three potentially.
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SPEAKER_08: Yeah, but it's a maybe, maybe, maybe two and a half.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, but it's minimum three, because it might be minimum three.
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SPEAKER_06: You know how some people, if they give you a sentence, but then sometimes you're out early for like overcrowding or something.
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SPEAKER_06: But I feel like if it's three to ten, it may be minimum three.
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SPEAKER_06: Like you have to do.
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SPEAKER_08: You gotta do a minimum of sixty five years old.
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SPEAKER_08: But he doesn't have a mason chain on, therefore he's going to jail, brother.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
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SPEAKER_02: We start off like that.
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SPEAKER_02: You see, this guy's this guy's ready for this podcast.
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SPEAKER_02: So he's gonna look like he's uh he got convicted, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Of uh, what is it?
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SPEAKER_02: Sex did he get convicted of rape or it was sexual assault?
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SPEAKER_10: I think it was sexual misconduct or something like that.
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SPEAKER_09: Sexual assault.
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SPEAKER_02: But here's my thing.
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SPEAKER_09: Misconduct is too minimal.
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SPEAKER_02: Donald Trump, Harvey Weinstein, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, what's going on with them?
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SPEAKER_06: He's gonna go to court too.
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SPEAKER_06: I think Harvey is gonna go to court soon.
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SPEAKER_02: The last thing I heard about him was him going to court for like five minutes and leaving.
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SPEAKER_06: But yeah, he's out, he's out on bail.
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SPEAKER_06: On bail, okay.
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SPEAKER_02: So something should happen in his case.
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SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_02: But Donald Trump is I mean, it's only allegations in their accusations, so I guess.
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SPEAKER_02: Um and he's the president.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, couldn't he just pardon himself?
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SPEAKER_06: That's what I was thinking.
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SPEAKER_06: I was just like, how does that even go?
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SPEAKER_10: Okay, um that's just like Bill Cosby, so allegations.
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SPEAKER_02: No, Bill Cosby was proven, I think.
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SPEAKER_02: It had to.
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SPEAKER_02: He went, it went to court.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't listen, I don't think my brother did that, man.
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SPEAKER_02: Your brother?
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't think my brother did that.
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SPEAKER_02: First of all, we didn't grow up on Bill Cosby, so I I don't really feel this connection to him like all these other people.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, in my household.
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SPEAKER_06: Because like I feel like you can feel a connection to the character, but people need to separate the two because he's not his character on the show.
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SPEAKER_10: Yeah, on the show.
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SPEAKER_08: Mind you they have the same name, but the person uh being upheld and up uh that the black, the older black community is feeling that's being tarnished.
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SPEAKER_08: It's a representation that he had off the show.
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SPEAKER_08: Yeah, because he was like on a pedestal.
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SPEAKER_08: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_08: The man he was off the show was who he's idolized for.
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SPEAKER_08: Yeah, specifically.
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SPEAKER_08: No, exactly.
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SPEAKER_08: The show was a legacy that is that puts him in the household of everyone throughout America, yes.
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SPEAKER_08: But I mean, that's why a white, oh a lot more white people would know Bill Cosby.
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SPEAKER_08: Yeah, I heard he was on top.
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SPEAKER_10: Like when he was rocking, he was that guy.
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SPEAKER_10: But that's why I said, how many years did it take before anybody came out and said shit?
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SPEAKER_10: It was over a decade.
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SPEAKER_02: But there's no statute of limitation on rape, though.
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SPEAKER_10: But that's what I'm saying.
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SPEAKER_10: When he's about to buy what, C and N they come out?
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SPEAKER_02: It was definitely not CNN.
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SPEAKER_02: What was he about to buy?
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SPEAKER_02: ABC.
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SPEAKER_02: A B C.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, she's about to buy that.
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SPEAKER_08: I don't want to say it because I didn't know which, so I didn't want to.
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SPEAKER_06: I don't know what triggered the Me Too movement.
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SPEAKER_08: Um I feel like what?
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SPEAKER_06: Was it Harvey?
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SPEAKER_06: It was Harvey.
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SPEAKER_06: It was Harvey.
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SPEAKER_06: I think he triggered it, and then everybody came out.
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SPEAKER_02: The funny thing is, the woman that accused Harvey Weinstein is also a predator herself.
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SPEAKER_02: Like she was raping a little boy.
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SPEAKER_02: Like she was forcing a teen actor to have sex.
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SPEAKER_02: So she's also Are you talking about Rose?
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know her name.
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SPEAKER_02: It's all about black actions.
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SPEAKER_06: There's another Asia some something or other propaganda.
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SPEAKER_08: Black manipulation.
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SPEAKER_06: So Rose is the one on charmed.
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SPEAKER_02: Really?
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SPEAKER_02: Is she the one that um She's in Charmed?
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SPEAKER_02: Wow, damn.
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SPEAKER_02: I like that show.
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SPEAKER_02: Even though it's about witches.
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SPEAKER_02: She was one of the ones.
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SPEAKER_02: I like witches.
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SPEAKER_08: As long as they ain't casting no negative shit on me.
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SPEAKER_06: No, it's funny.
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SPEAKER_06: So the other woman, Alyssa Milano, she was the other uh woman on Charms.
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SPEAKER_06: And she was in, if you know Brett Kavanaugh, you know, his hearing with the sexual.
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SPEAKER_06: So she's in that, she's in the she's in the audience, you know, sitting in the courtroom and someone's like, damn, I wish she was an actual witch, like, because she's just like looking at him back.
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SPEAKER_10: Is that is that the the hearing that everybody was going crazy about saying there was about to be a fight or something like that?
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SPEAKER_10: Oh there was a hearing, I think, either earlier this week or something.
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SPEAKER_06: So it probably that, but I don't know if it was gonna be a fight, but he was all angry and shit after Who is this guy?
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SPEAKER_06: So he's he's a nominee um for the Supreme Court, right?
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SPEAKER_06: It's Brett Kavanaugh.
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SPEAKER_06: So he um so right now they're voting um if he's gonna be nominated um in general, just because there's been a few sexual assault allegations.
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SPEAKER_06: So one of the women testified yesterday or the other day, she testified the other day.
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SPEAKER_06: Um so they're trying to basically just get him out of that position.
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SPEAKER_06: You don't want someone who's accused of sexual assault.
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SPEAKER_06: Exactly, you don't want someone who's accused of sexual assault on the Supreme Court because that's a lifetime appointment, so he's there for life.
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SPEAKER_10: But we got a president that's accused of the wheel.
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SPEAKER_06: No, but Trump is backing him, and then he was like, he was like, Oh, if she didn't say anything before, it's po it probably wasn't that serious.
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SPEAKER_06: Or she was he was saying that she was messy and drunk at the time because it was like when he was 17.
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SPEAKER_10: But that's like what I said with the whole Qualu situation.
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SPEAKER_10: Uh and ballhead damage.
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SPEAKER_10: Back in those days, that was like the weed.
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SPEAKER_10: That's what everybody was doing.
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unknown: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_06: Well, it was more than one.
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SPEAKER_06: There's another, there's a couple other women too.
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SPEAKER_06: That they were saying that he was there during a gang rape situation.
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SPEAKER_06: Let me ask you a question.
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SPEAKER_10: If you tell me here's three million dollars, say that Bill Cosby raped you.
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SPEAKER_10: Guess what?
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SPEAKER_10: Yo, Bill Cosby, you rape me.
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SPEAKER_10: So you might take three million dollars.
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SPEAKER_06: Well, that's why the whole thing right now is they're trying to make it.
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SPEAKER_10: No, but that's basically what people are doing.
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SPEAKER_02: So you would take, you, Darius Prescott, would take, yeah, I said your government.
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SPEAKER_02: You're trying to find, you know, a new spouse.
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SPEAKER_02: I got you.
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SPEAKER_02: So you would take three million dollars and let the world think that you got raped by a man?
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SPEAKER_08: You said it.
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SPEAKER_08: Fuck.
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SPEAKER_08: No, what you I'm just asking.
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SPEAKER_08: You back there.
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SPEAKER_08: Three million dollars?
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SPEAKER_08: See, now you made it public, you changed his answer.
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SPEAKER_02: Your butthole is, you know, this is the part of your phone.
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SPEAKER_02: He had to fuck with it.
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SPEAKER_02: No, but everybody thinks he did, so he might as well have to be.
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SPEAKER_08: Anything you say that says sexual harassment means you had something in your mouth.
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SPEAKER_10: Some cavity.
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SPEAKER_10: No, not always.
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SPEAKER_10: Nah, I ain't taking that.
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SPEAKER_10: So five mil.
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SPEAKER_10: I ain't taking that cavity.
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SPEAKER_10: Ten mil.
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SPEAKER_10: I'm not taking that.
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SPEAKER_10: Say yes.
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SPEAKER_10: Alright, so not all women are gonna do that either.
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SPEAKER_06: It's mad women, yo.
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SPEAKER_10: It's like it's gonna be somebody that's gonna say at least a couple of things.
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SPEAKER_10: Oh, this nigga gay.
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SPEAKER_02: Bill Cowley playing with his bowls.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like No.
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SPEAKER_02: That's that's the thing.
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SPEAKER_02: So why would you think these women would do that?
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SPEAKER_06: And it's mad at them.
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SPEAKER_06: It's not one or two, it's like women's different.
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SPEAKER_10: Of course not.
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SPEAKER_10: They're gonna say that, but nobody's gonna really be like, oh, you're gay or do wrong.
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SPEAKER_10: They're gonna take the sympathy side, like, oh, you was abused.
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SPEAKER_10: And that's what people are gonna look at.
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SPEAKER_02: Nah, but why would a woman lie if she doesn't want to be con Okay, but you wouldn't lie for three million dollars, so why would a woman do it?
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SPEAKER_02: Because it's different.
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SPEAKER_10: I am a guy.
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SPEAKER_10: That would make me look even more weird that I took pleasure from another guy.
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SPEAKER_02: Getting raped.
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SPEAKER_02: Everybody knows that you got raped is not weird either.
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SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_10: Yeah, but you don't understand what I'm saying.
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SPEAKER_10: Nah, I do.
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SPEAKER_10: A guy getting raped?
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SPEAKER_10: Okay.
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SPEAKER_10: That's a little weirder.
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SPEAKER_10: Why?
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SPEAKER_10: Because people are gonna look at you in a different way.
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SPEAKER_10: So they're not gonna look at the woman that got raped.
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SPEAKER_10: Yeah, but they're gonna have more sympathy.
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SPEAKER_10: You still will get sympathy too?
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SPEAKER_08: Not as much as a female.
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SPEAKER_08: You know what makes it more weird for you?
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SPEAKER_08: What?
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SPEAKER_08: It's because now you now it's the race.
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SPEAKER_08: You know someone's in your ass.
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SPEAKER_08: No, no, no, no.
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SPEAKER_08: Because now we're putting him as the person being raped.
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SPEAKER_08: So now it's more weird for you because now you have to deal with it.
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SPEAKER_10: Okay.
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SPEAKER_08: It's just saying though it's not it's difficult for a woman because you don't understand.
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SPEAKER_10: No, but I'm saying they'll get more sympathy from a lot of people than a guy because that's that's now taking you out of the way.
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SPEAKER_02: Alright, this kid that uh Kevin Spacey raped and he ended up killing himself, he got he gets a lot of sympathy.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think he gets more sympathy because he killed himself, not because he got raped.
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SPEAKER_02: Nah, he's been killed himself.
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SPEAKER_02: They never knew the rape had anything to do with it.
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SPEAKER_02: They can't prove that he killed himself because of the rape, but they know he got raped by a man.
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SPEAKER_02: And he gets sympathy too.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Did Bow Wow get sympathy?
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SPEAKER_02: For the for what?
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SPEAKER_02: For he got raped?
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SPEAKER_02: Nobody has ever said that was true, though.
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SPEAKER_10: Yeah, that was all right.
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SPEAKER_02: Um he didn't say.
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SPEAKER_02: That has been a rumor for forever.
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SPEAKER_10: First of all, the fans know what the rumor is.
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SPEAKER_10: He basically got raped by his limo driver.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, but I've never heard that story come out of Bow Wow's mouth.
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SPEAKER_04: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: And we've never-If I legit got raped, you think I'm saying it?
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SPEAKER_02: So then how do you know about it right now?
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SPEAKER_02: Because I've heard that.
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SPEAKER_02: Sierra's a man too?
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SPEAKER_02: You don't remember all these fucking things.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, we're and she was at her back.
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SPEAKER_02: I still think she got a little tail hanging.
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SPEAKER_02: You think fucking 50 Cent, Future, all these niggas that impregnated her are are cool with fucking the dude.
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SPEAKER_02: That's what you're telling me.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
11:17
SPEAKER_02: Um, yes.
11:18
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
11:18
SPEAKER_02: You know what?
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SPEAKER_02: That's a whole different argument.
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SPEAKER_04: Mind you, how many niggas got caught with the kids?
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SPEAKER_04: Are her maphrodites fertile?
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SPEAKER_06: Because she had two children.
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SPEAKER_10: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_10: I don't even think.
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SPEAKER_06: I don't think they're fertile.
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SPEAKER_06: Hermaphrodites.
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SPEAKER_06: I don't think they can have babies.
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SPEAKER_10: Did she ever have a kid?
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, she's a few kids.
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SPEAKER_06: She got two kids.
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SPEAKER_10: Wait.
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SPEAKER_02: Future got a future.
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SPEAKER_02: Future?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Future named his kid after the shit he's not even himself.
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SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
11:41
SPEAKER_02: That's not his actual name.
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SPEAKER_02: You can't even call him Junior.
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SPEAKER_02: That's an ego.
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SPEAKER_08: He's the only real future, honestly.
11:46
SPEAKER_08: That's an ego, my friend.
11:48
SPEAKER_08: That nigga's crazy.
11:49
SPEAKER_08: That's an ego to uh to put as an idol.
11:52
SPEAKER_08: I had a video that I want to see.
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SPEAKER_02: And he's not even raising that kid either.
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SPEAKER_02: Because we're talking about it.
11:55
SPEAKER_02: That's a whole different story.
11:56
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
11:56
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, let's get back to the whole Bill Cosby thing.
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SPEAKER_02: Let's pull it all together because we have uh like a few, you know, you know, little things in the media that's causing a little stir.
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SPEAKER_02: We have Amber Rose, and she basically spoke uh up about it.
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SPEAKER_02: And uh what was the exact quote?
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SPEAKER_02: Let me see.
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SPEAKER_08: She says that I'm glad he's going to jail, and I hope he dies after he gets out.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, she was like, I hope he does the full 10 years and then dies after that.
12:19
SPEAKER_06: And then dies when he gets out.
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SPEAKER_02: You know that uh Instagram comedian Jess Hilarious?
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SPEAKER_02: That's her name?
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SPEAKER_02: The black one?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: She was really upset about that.
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SPEAKER_02: Like she came like at Amber Rose's bald head.
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SPEAKER_02: I agree with Jess.
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SPEAKER_06: I agree with what Jess said because she's stupid for saying that.
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SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
12:32
SPEAKER_06: Like it ruins her whole everything she said before that.
12:35
SPEAKER_06: It just kills it because you're wishing death on the night.
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SPEAKER_06: Not even that.
12:38
SPEAKER_06: Mind you, he's probably gonna die like soon anyway, but you're wishing death on the nigga.
12:41
SPEAKER_10: You know how to say that.
12:42
SPEAKER_10: Like we said, look at R.
12:43
SPEAKER_10: Kelly.
12:44
SPEAKER_10: Nobody's wishing death on that nigga.
12:46
SPEAKER_02: There's some people.
12:48
SPEAKER_10: Probably.
12:48
SPEAKER_10: His victims.
12:50
unknown: Probably.
12:51
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so we're gonna watch this video.
12:52
SPEAKER_02: What is this?
12:55
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
12:56
SPEAKER_02: That's Buster Roms.
12:57
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, I really remember that.
12:58
SPEAKER_10: That was a little flay the way he was sucking that shore.
13:01
SPEAKER_10: Okay.
13:01
SPEAKER_05: Alright.
13:02
SPEAKER_10: So um Amber Rose.
13:04
SPEAKER_10: A lot of celebrities are questionable.
13:06
SPEAKER_10: But like I said.
13:07
SPEAKER_10: We're gonna get back to that.
13:08
SPEAKER_10: No, we have to.
13:10
SPEAKER_10: That her saying that is a little fucked up because one, to be honest, we don't really know if he did or did not do it.
13:19
SPEAKER_02: He was he's convicted, so he did it.
13:20
SPEAKER_10: How many people get convicted and don't do the crime?
13:24
SPEAKER_06: I don't think there was any physical, there wasn't any physical evidence used, obviously.
13:27
SPEAKER_06: But one, that's the hardest thing to do.
13:29
SPEAKER_06: How are you gonna get physical?
13:30
SPEAKER_06: Like basically he got a match.
13:32
SPEAKER_02: Why would they got conspiracy?
13:35
SPEAKER_02: But that's what I'm saying.
13:36
SPEAKER_10: That's the whole thing.
13:37
SPEAKER_02: If you can't prove it, then I'm telling you innocent.
13:40
SPEAKER_10: It's all testimony.
13:41
SPEAKER_06: Did he admit to drugging?
13:43
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, he admitted to drugging, though.
13:44
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, he admitted to drugging.
13:45
SPEAKER_08: But listen, it's not like he does not, Bill Cosby doesn't have enough money to have adequate.
13:50
SPEAKER_08: Oh, he has a great defense.
13:52
SPEAKER_08: He lost.
13:52
SPEAKER_08: It's not like they're gonna be.
13:53
SPEAKER_06: Then some of them quit, too.
13:54
SPEAKER_10: No, this is what I feel has.
13:56
SPEAKER_10: One of them is suing him.
13:57
SPEAKER_10: I feel like his back was against the wall.
14:00
SPEAKER_10: I feel like his back was against the wall.
14:01
SPEAKER_06: Do you think he's innocent?
14:02
SPEAKER_06: Let's start there.
14:03
SPEAKER_06: I really do.
14:04
SPEAKER_10: So you don't think he raped anybody?
14:06
SPEAKER_10: I don't think he raped anybody.
14:06
SPEAKER_10: Why?
14:07
SPEAKER_10: You think he's not a good thing?
14:07
SPEAKER_06: What makes you think he's innocent?
14:09
SPEAKER_06: Because it's like it's a ton of women.
14:11
SPEAKER_06: It's not like one or two, but it's like, what is it, 30, 50, maybe?
14:14
SPEAKER_06: 50 something?
14:16
SPEAKER_10: But like I said, it's like how I look at it as, because think about it like this.
14:21
SPEAKER_10: If a guy be like, oh, do you want to smoke?
14:23
SPEAKER_10: You smoke, and then yeah, fuck.
14:24
SPEAKER_10: That's technically rape because you're under the influence.
14:25
SPEAKER_10: No, it's not.
14:26
SPEAKER_10: What?
14:27
SPEAKER_10: Rape?
14:28
SPEAKER_10: Look it up.
14:29
SPEAKER_04: You have to look, the thing is, you have to look into each of those.
14:31
SPEAKER_02: Or I get you drunk to fucking.
14:34
SPEAKER_02: It's only rape when this word is used.
14:36
SPEAKER_02: No.
14:37
SPEAKER_02: And yes.
14:38
SPEAKER_06: You have to look into some of the allegations, like some of the stories that the women are saying.
14:42
SPEAKER_06: I think once you hear all those stories, then you'll think differently.
14:46
SPEAKER_06: But it wasn't like, oh, we were both drinking and then we fucked and then I then I think it's rape.
14:53
SPEAKER_02: We are having sex.
14:55
SPEAKER_02: Not me and you, of course.
14:58
SPEAKER_02: Two consenting adults of different sexual orientations are having sex.
15:02
SPEAKER_02: One of them in the middle of intercourse says, stop.
15:07
SPEAKER_02: You continue going.
15:08
SPEAKER_02: Is that rape?
15:10
SPEAKER_02: It depends on how it it is.
15:12
SPEAKER_02: Just what he says.
15:13
SPEAKER_02: No, literally how I gave you the scenario.
15:14
SPEAKER_02: Is that rape?
15:15
SPEAKER_02: Like she just says, stop.
15:16
SPEAKER_02: Stop.
15:17
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, that's technically rape.
15:19
SPEAKER_10: No, yeah.
15:19
SPEAKER_10: What's the technical part?
15:20
SPEAKER_10: I want to know why.
15:22
SPEAKER_10: Stop.
15:22
SPEAKER_10: Why is it not just rape?
15:24
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, just a straight rape.
15:25
SPEAKER_10: Technically, it's like this.
15:26
SPEAKER_10: How I look at it, it's like, how many times you have a sex with female?
15:28
SPEAKER_10: She bet, no, stop, stop.
15:30
SPEAKER_10: Never mind.
15:30
SPEAKER_10: But she really wants to pleasure.
15:31
SPEAKER_10: No, never in my life.
15:32
SPEAKER_10: Oh, that's you're assuming.
15:33
SPEAKER_10: Never in my life.
15:34
SPEAKER_10: That's not true.
15:34
SPEAKER_10: So you're a rapist, pretty much.
15:36
SPEAKER_10: That's what you're telling me right now.
15:37
SPEAKER_10: You never had a never had a female.
15:39
SPEAKER_10: Oh, no, no.
15:40
SPEAKER_10: Oh, wait, harder.
15:41
SPEAKER_02: No, no, never in my life.
15:43
SPEAKER_02: Never in my life.
15:44
SPEAKER_02: Never in my life.
15:45
SPEAKER_02: You might need to go back and check yourself before you wreck yourself, because you sound like you've been participating in rape culture.
15:52
SPEAKER_02: And I wanted to talk about this, right?
15:54
SPEAKER_02: With the guy, uh, what was his name?
15:56
SPEAKER_02: The congressman, the Senate?
15:58
SPEAKER_06: Brett Kavanaugh?
15:59
SPEAKER_02: I can't even say that name.
16:00
SPEAKER_02: Brett, a white person.
16:01
SPEAKER_02: Brett Kapanot.
16:02
SPEAKER_02: No, that's definitely not it.
16:03
SPEAKER_02: But um, maybe it is.
16:05
SPEAKER_02: He his allegations were when he was 17 years old.
16:07
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
16:08
SPEAKER_02: Are we not different human beings from 17 to 50?
16:11
unknown: Yeah.
16:12
SPEAKER_05: Yes, well.
16:13
SPEAKER_02: He was 17 and they said he raped who?
16:15
SPEAKER_02: Whoever he raped.
16:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
16:17
SPEAKER_02: He did some sexual misconduct.
16:18
SPEAKER_02: Chris at the age of 17.
16:20
SPEAKER_02: How old was it?
16:21
SPEAKER_06: Something forged.
16:22
SPEAKER_06: The same age.
16:22
SPEAKER_06: We're like the same age.
16:24
SPEAKER_06: You don't understand how we're talking about.
16:26
SPEAKER_02: If a 50-year-old man walked in and had and forces you to have sex with him, he didn't rape you?
16:30
SPEAKER_02: Just because there's an age difference?
16:31
SPEAKER_02: What's wrong with you?
16:32
SPEAKER_10: Um, if we're at the age of 17 and we're both making a mistake, like we both fuck.
16:38
SPEAKER_10: I don't want to fuck you and you rape me at 17.
16:40
SPEAKER_02: That's rape.
16:41
SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
16:42
SPEAKER_10: See, this is why I say like you are walking down a very dangerous route.
16:46
SPEAKER_10: I think rape is a very sticky situation.
16:48
SPEAKER_10: No, it's not.
16:48
SPEAKER_08: Because rape is black and white.
16:50
SPEAKER_08: Rape is like this.
16:51
SPEAKER_08: Do we need to sit your ex down and talk to that makes it?
16:54
SPEAKER_10: In my head, I see rape like this.
16:56
SPEAKER_06: I'm forcing myself to be a good thing.
16:58
SPEAKER_08: You know what date rape is, right?
17:00
SPEAKER_06: And a husband can still rape a wife.
17:03
SPEAKER_06: Yes, no, it's still rape.
17:07
SPEAKER_02: Okay, but right here until the other girls in the room.
17:17
SPEAKER_06: No, no.
17:18
SPEAKER_06: It's y'all can so get it through your head.
17:20
SPEAKER_06: Just because you're married to someone doesn't mean you can't rape them.
17:24
SPEAKER_02: Isn't somebody in the middle of the body?
17:25
SPEAKER_06: Okay, but if she has she still owns her body, she still owns her own body.
17:29
SPEAKER_06: Okay, so let me own the body.
17:30
SPEAKER_06: She owns my body.
17:33
SPEAKER_10: Can a woman rape a man?
17:34
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
17:35
SPEAKER_02: This nigga Ben Majero.
17:36
SPEAKER_02: He got raped.
17:37
SPEAKER_02: He told that story about him getting raped.
17:39
SPEAKER_02: But the problem with uh women on men rape is that it becomes a joke.
17:42
SPEAKER_02: That's my issue.
17:43
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
17:44
SPEAKER_02: But I really wanna I really wanna uh talk about that.
17:46
SPEAKER_02: If I do something at 17 years old, at 50 years old, am I still supposed to be held accountable for it?
17:52
SPEAKER_06: The thing is, because it's a Supreme Court, there are people who don't do who have a clean slate like throughout their entire lives.
17:59
SPEAKER_06: Those are the people that should be in no.
18:02
SPEAKER_06: You think every guy has raped someone at 17?
18:06
SPEAKER_06: No, I mean no, but I'm saying people don't have any accusations.
18:10
SPEAKER_02: No, but this they did other shit.
18:11
SPEAKER_02: Like they probably raped it, probably.
18:13
SPEAKER_06: I'm not saying exactly, I'm not saying they're clean, but rape is something serious.
18:17
SPEAKER_06: Not every kid has raped someone at 17.
18:20
SPEAKER_06: And this is the Supreme Court.
18:21
SPEAKER_06: They should be held to a higher the same thing with the fucking presidency.
18:24
SPEAKER_06: He should not be president because of the type of person that he is.
18:27
SPEAKER_10: I don't think a lot of those people on that Supreme Court probably had sex with a female that probably said no, but just no longer.
18:35
SPEAKER_10: Exactly.
18:36
SPEAKER_06: We're not I'm not saying all those people are innocent, but now that you know the allegations and he is alleged.
18:44
SPEAKER_06: And now, obviously, but now that you he's going to be nominated, someone should not be nominated that has allegations.
18:49
SPEAKER_06: I want to ask y'all a question.
18:50
SPEAKER_06: That's the whole point.
18:51
SPEAKER_02: I want to ask y'all a question.
18:52
SPEAKER_02: So let's say you have two doctors, right?
18:54
SPEAKER_02: There's this one doctor, he's the greatest doctor of all time.
18:57
SPEAKER_02: But when he was 19 years old, you're going in for a heart surgery.
19:00
SPEAKER_02: When he was 19 years old, he let somebody bleed out on the table doing the same exact routine he's about to do on you, right?
19:05
SPEAKER_02: But he is now the greatest surgeon, like everybody would tell you.
19:08
SPEAKER_02: And you got this other guy who's never messed up in his life, but he's just a mid-tier surgeon.
19:13
SPEAKER_02: And this is your life on the line.
19:14
SPEAKER_02: Who are you gonna get the surgery from?
19:17
SPEAKER_08: I'm going with the specialist.
19:18
SPEAKER_02: The nigga, the nigga that is the greatest of all time, right?
19:21
SPEAKER_08: Even though he fucked up at 19?
19:22
SPEAKER_08: Right.
19:23
SPEAKER_08: Because I'm hoping that he has some experience if somebody else does it.
19:26
SPEAKER_08: Okay.
19:26
SPEAKER_06: I would just look at if his if the other guy's track work, it's fine.
19:30
SPEAKER_02: His own is fine, but everybody's gonna tell you that he's a he's a good surgeon.
19:33
SPEAKER_02: He's a good surgeon.
19:34
SPEAKER_02: This guy is the best.
19:35
SPEAKER_02: I'm going to his specialist.
19:36
SPEAKER_02: But when he was 19 years old, he had a little shaky hand and he fucked up.
19:39
SPEAKER_06: But I think like that's a different situation than the Supreme Court.
19:42
SPEAKER_02: I think that's a good thing.
19:46
SPEAKER_02: What if he's the greatest candidate?
19:47
SPEAKER_02: What if he's the has the best understanding of the law?
19:50
SPEAKER_02: But just because he was 17 years old, he fucked around.
19:53
SPEAKER_08: Hey, I say he's guilty.
19:56
SPEAKER_08: I say he's guilty.
19:57
SPEAKER_08: Hear me out.
19:57
SPEAKER_08: Okay.
19:58
SPEAKER_08: So what you just explained was um wasn't like uh But I don't think he's gonna be the best nominee in general.
20:05
SPEAKER_06: Especially regarding women.
20:07
SPEAKER_08: If he was never held accountable for his decisions then, and that's the time it took to k catch up with him, yeah.
20:13
SPEAKER_08: All right, he took his talent away from society by making that choice then.
20:18
SPEAKER_02: At 17, bro, think about the shit we're gonna do.
20:20
SPEAKER_02: Hello, this rape.
20:22
SPEAKER_08: And lucky for us, we didn't get caught, or we didn't end up in jail.
20:26
SPEAKER_08: But yeah, hello, have y'all raped someone as a rapers, okay.
20:30
SPEAKER_03: So that's what I'm saying.
20:31
SPEAKER_03: Not everybody has done that.
20:33
SPEAKER_03: That's a different level of wild.
20:36
SPEAKER_03: That's a different level.
20:37
SPEAKER_08: If she was what she didn't want to do, if she says no or not, it could be more than one.
20:43
SPEAKER_08: It can easily become rape.
20:45
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, exactly.
20:46
SPEAKER_08: What as soon as another person is.
20:53
SPEAKER_10: What was the word we used to say for for like what was it?
20:56
SPEAKER_10: Like, if you're fucking a girl by the window and then you're gonna be a little bit more.
20:58
SPEAKER_10: Oh, you're talking about a sexual maneuver called the ghost?
21:00
SPEAKER_10: The ghost.
21:01
SPEAKER_10: That's rape.
21:01
SPEAKER_10: Is that rape?
21:02
SPEAKER_10: Absolutely.
21:03
SPEAKER_06: Where someone comes up behind it, basically you're fucking around.
21:05
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, guess that guest, that's rape.
21:07
SPEAKER_06: If she doesn't know who you know who's about to she needs to know and then decide.
21:13
SPEAKER_02: The ghost is definitely rape.
21:15
SPEAKER_05: Ain't no ghost.
21:16
SPEAKER_06: You can't slip a third, fourth body in there and not know without her knowing.
21:21
SPEAKER_02: We used to joke about that as kids, right?
21:22
SPEAKER_02: So what if somebody would have heard that conversation now to leave?
21:27
SPEAKER_02: Y'all niggas can't have a podcast now because y'all niggas is talking about rape.
21:30
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
21:30
SPEAKER_02: Like that's what I mean.
21:31
SPEAKER_02: So the world is supposed to miss out because at 17 years old I thought something was funny.
21:35
SPEAKER_06: That's just I'm not saying he's not a good human being now, but it's like that's speaking.
21:42
SPEAKER_08: All right, let's say we did it.
21:44
SPEAKER_10: At this point in time, have someone who has no No, let's say we pull a ghost as a joke, just joking around as young as because we thought it would be funny, cause that's what we've been hearing around school.
21:54
SPEAKER_10: So we attempted it to be assholes as a joke.
21:56
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, that's weird.
21:57
SPEAKER_10: But now thirty years later, she comes up, yeah.
22:00
SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
22:00
SPEAKER_10: Answering you asked.
22:02
SPEAKER_10: So we deserve to miss out on the opportunity to do that.
22:04
SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes, because you break me.
22:07
SPEAKER_08: Yes, yes, yes, because you took her right to tell you that she doesn't want you.
22:11
SPEAKER_08: I was young and dumb.
22:12
SPEAKER_08: So she was young and dumb.
22:14
SPEAKER_06: You still made the decision.
22:15
SPEAKER_06: That's it.
22:17
SPEAKER_06: The thing is, if everybody did it, that'd be different.
22:19
SPEAKER_06: You know, if everybody does that at that age, but not everybody is like that.
22:23
SPEAKER_06: Not everybody's like that.
22:24
SPEAKER_06: So you should get someone who is.
22:25
SPEAKER_08: Committed murder.
22:26
SPEAKER_08: But mind you, I'm not saying he's not influenza.
22:28
SPEAKER_08: He got off because of influenza.
22:29
SPEAKER_02: That's bullshit, though.
22:30
SPEAKER_08: So how is it bullshit?
22:32
SPEAKER_08: Because the reasoning is bullshit.
22:33
SPEAKER_02: The reasoning was because they said he was too rich to understand.
22:36
SPEAKER_02: But if they were just like, yo, this is a young thing.
22:38
SPEAKER_02: The thing is that you were too dumb.
22:40
SPEAKER_02: No, but we all we all are dumb and that's right.
22:42
SPEAKER_02: All are dumb and young.
22:43
SPEAKER_02: Not all too rich, though.
22:44
SPEAKER_02: We all don't rape rape, though.
22:45
SPEAKER_02: No, no.
22:46
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
22:46
SPEAKER_03: That's my point.
22:47
SPEAKER_03: We all don't rape.
22:49
SPEAKER_03: That's what I'm saying.
22:50
SPEAKER_08: That's exactly what I'm saying.
22:53
SPEAKER_08: You can't be lenient or misguidance.
22:55
SPEAKER_08: Doesn't mean that you didn't.
22:57
SPEAKER_06: Like, if you murder someone at 17, like that's still murder.
23:02
SPEAKER_08: I consider rape higher than murder.
23:04
SPEAKER_08: In my book, rape is higher than murder.
23:06
SPEAKER_02: But on the same level, I understand.
23:07
SPEAKER_02: I understand the argument behind it.
23:08
SPEAKER_02: This is my thing.
23:12
SPEAKER_10: I'd rather not get rid of it.
23:14
SPEAKER_10: That's it.
23:14
SPEAKER_10: It's a different type of person.
23:15
SPEAKER_10: Because you made a stupid decision because of like it could be misguidance and you not even thinking in your mind that it's rape, you should basically lose out on your whole life.
23:26
SPEAKER_06: It's not a whole life.
23:27
SPEAKER_06: You're still gonna be a judge.
23:28
SPEAKER_06: It's not painful.
23:31
SPEAKER_10: 30 years later, let's say, let's say me and AG, as young, 15, 16 year olds.
23:36
SPEAKER_10: I've never done that shit.
23:37
SPEAKER_10: We ain't never doing shit like that.
23:38
SPEAKER_10: But let's say 15, 16 joking around in school, people talking about this ghost.
23:42
SPEAKER_10: Me and him just say, you know what?
23:44
SPEAKER_10: That shit sounds hilarious.
23:45
SPEAKER_10: Let's attempt it.
23:46
SPEAKER_10: We do it, she don't say nothing.
23:48
SPEAKER_10: Now that we're being put on a pedestal, that's what she wants to come say.
23:52
SPEAKER_06: No, but the whole thing is you said you were doing the ghost, right?
23:55
SPEAKER_06: Which means that she doesn't know who's coming.
23:56
SPEAKER_10: No, she doesn't know.
23:57
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
23:58
SPEAKER_06: So how were you saying she knew?
23:59
SPEAKER_06: She doesn't know.
24:00
SPEAKER_10: No, I'm saying she don't know.
24:01
SPEAKER_10: We know.
24:02
SPEAKER_10: No, no.
24:02
SPEAKER_10: So that's what I'm saying.
24:04
SPEAKER_06: After the fact it's right.
24:05
SPEAKER_10: No, but I'm saying after the fact that she doesn't race, though.
24:08
SPEAKER_10: But she doesn't say she don't go to cops, nothing for 30 years.
24:12
SPEAKER_06: That means you're lucky to have had those 30 years without saying anything.
24:16
SPEAKER_10: So why would that be still have to live being put on a pedestal to come?
24:19
SPEAKER_06: Because that's when she needs to say something.
24:21
SPEAKER_06: If he's gonna be freaking nominated to the Supreme Court, that's a big ass fucking decision.
24:25
SPEAKER_06: But he is dead for life.
24:28
SPEAKER_06: No, he isn't.
24:29
SPEAKER_06: You fucked her life up.
24:31
SPEAKER_06: Like you don't think you don't think Ray traumatizes people for the rest of their fucking life.
24:35
SPEAKER_06: So why are you in traumatizing the children?
24:38
SPEAKER_06: That's why she's saying something now.
24:40
SPEAKER_08: Hold on.
24:40
SPEAKER_00: She doesn't want to be on the spot.
24:42
SPEAKER_08: Alright.
24:43
SPEAKER_08: So I hear you where you're coming from, KO Tro, and I hear you where you're coming from.
24:46
SPEAKER_08: So because you rape somebody, it doesn't change the fact you rape them, right?
24:54
SPEAKER_08: Right or wrong.
24:54
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, you're right.
24:55
SPEAKER_08: Because your question had many parts.
24:57
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, you're right.
24:58
SPEAKER_08: So that that doesn't change rape.
25:01
SPEAKER_08: We got that off the table.
25:02
SPEAKER_08: Alright.
25:03
SPEAKER_08: You asked the question of why does she take 30 years to say it, right?
25:07
SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
25:08
SPEAKER_08: Multiple answers to that.
25:11
SPEAKER_08: She takes 30 years possibly because she finally got the courage to say something.
25:15
SPEAKER_08: And or she now finds the courage to do it because now you have a following of people that'll listen to what he's done.
25:24
SPEAKER_02: I disagree.
25:25
SPEAKER_08: And help, and help bring to light who the per who the per uh, whoever he was then, or who he may still be.
25:32
SPEAKER_08: Let me let me let me uh you said a lot, hold on.
25:35
SPEAKER_02: Let me sound off on that.
25:36
SPEAKER_02: So I think it's a culture thing.
25:39
SPEAKER_02: Because when we were 17, 18, 19, what we see in movies and what we see on television, the way to get girls is what?
25:46
SPEAKER_02: You go to a bar, you buy them drinks, you get them drunk, you go home and have sex with them.
25:49
SPEAKER_02: Facts.
25:50
SPEAKER_02: That right now, in this day and age, is literally rape culture.
25:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
25:52
SPEAKER_02: That's what it is.
25:53
SPEAKER_02: But that's what we were taught was the social norm of how to get women was you go to the club, you gotta buy them drinks.
26:01
SPEAKER_02: Like it was just a thing that you gotta buy a drink.
26:03
SPEAKER_02: You have to do it.
26:04
SPEAKER_02: What we realize now that was fucked up, and we shouldn't have been doing that.
26:08
SPEAKER_02: But women also participated in that.
26:11
SPEAKER_02: We go into the club, we not paying for no drinks.
26:13
SPEAKER_02: Because these niggas are gonna buy us drinks because they want to have sex with us.
26:16
SPEAKER_02: And that was the whole cat and mouse game that everybody played.
26:18
SPEAKER_02: A couple of people got fucked up.
26:20
SPEAKER_02: The entire music industry, yeah.
26:21
SPEAKER_02: A lot of people got fucked up because of that, and now that we realize, oh shit, you know what?
26:25
SPEAKER_02: That was rape culture.
26:26
SPEAKER_02: So I don't think it necessarily has anything to do with the oh, now he has a platform.
26:30
SPEAKER_02: I think she's just realized that, oh, what happens to me was rape.
26:33
SPEAKER_02: I need to tell somebody that it was rape.
26:35
SPEAKER_02: It just looks a little opportunist because why didn't you do it when I was 18 instead of when I'm 50 about to be a Supreme Court Court justice?
26:44
SPEAKER_06: For that same reason, because those are two different situations.
26:46
SPEAKER_06: But being that's what I'm saying.
26:48
SPEAKER_06: She's only saying, she's only if he wasn't.
26:51
SPEAKER_06: Listen, if he wasn't, she didn't do it when he was being conformed as a judge.
26:54
SPEAKER_06: She didn't do it then.
26:55
SPEAKER_06: But a Supreme Court, that's a whole different position.
26:59
SPEAKER_06: That's why she's doing it.
27:00
SPEAKER_06: She doesn't want to be there.
27:02
SPEAKER_06: She said she was terrified.
27:03
SPEAKER_06: She doesn't want to freaking be there.
27:04
SPEAKER_10: But what I'm saying.
27:05
SPEAKER_06: Testifying in front of a freaking group of men about what's sexual, like what happens.
27:09
SPEAKER_06: Like you think that's fun?
27:11
SPEAKER_06: That's not fun.
27:12
SPEAKER_10: You see me by self getting violated by men.
27:14
SPEAKER_10: I get what you're saying.
27:15
SPEAKER_10: That's like women.
27:17
SPEAKER_10: But guess what?
27:18
SPEAKER_10: You see me becoming a judge, a big name judge.
27:21
SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
27:21
SPEAKER_10: You had an opportunity to stop me then.
27:25
SPEAKER_10: You wait till now I'm getting.
27:27
SPEAKER_10: That's exactly what I'm saying.
27:28
SPEAKER_10: Why did that shit?
27:29
SPEAKER_06: I'm saying those two, those are two different situations.
27:32
SPEAKER_06: I'm saying being a judge and being a Supreme Court judge are two different things.
27:36
SPEAKER_10: So you wait till I get a high bag to fuck my life.
27:38
SPEAKER_06: Yes, because that is a lifetime appointment.
27:39
SPEAKER_06: He won't lose that job until he dies.
27:41
SPEAKER_06: That is the highest court.
27:43
SPEAKER_06: That is, and then they make decisions.
27:45
SPEAKER_06: They make decisions about so many different cases.
27:48
SPEAKER_06: Like, they have a lot of power.
27:50
SPEAKER_10: Just like Bill Cosby.
27:51
SPEAKER_10: You wait till I'm getting my bag to fuck my life up.
27:53
SPEAKER_10: Yes.
27:53
SPEAKER_10: The Bill Cosby one looks a little shady.
27:55
SPEAKER_08: It's Billy because it's been inspired and funded by the biggest.
27:58
SPEAKER_08: But that's what I'm saying.
27:59
SPEAKER_10: Why is it that all these situations, that's what's going on?
28:01
SPEAKER_10: They're waiting until they're getting their bag and fucking their life up.
28:04
SPEAKER_06: One, it's like the movement.
28:05
SPEAKER_06: The whole Me Too movement started from Harvey Weinstein, all the shit that was happening in Hollywood with these actresses, all them, you know, they were being violated, so now a lot of women they're lifting, they're giving no, I know actually.
28:16
SPEAKER_02: I want to ask you a question as a woman about the whole Me Too movement.
28:18
SPEAKER_02: I was on the docket anyway.
28:20
SPEAKER_02: It's a good segue, but I know you have to speak for the whole woman kind right now.
28:23
SPEAKER_02: It's a lot, a lot of pressure.
28:25
SPEAKER_02: So if I'm an actress and I want to become big and my skills are not getting me to the level I want to be at, and this guy offers me sex in exchange for a role in a movie, how is that rate?
28:43
SPEAKER_10: It's ultimatum.
28:44
SPEAKER_06: One, I I don't think well, okay.
28:48
SPEAKER_06: So that the difference is because, right, so being acting, that's sort of your livelihood, right?
28:52
SPEAKER_06: So they're in a position of power at that point.
28:54
SPEAKER_06: So that's what sort of makes it.
28:56
SPEAKER_06: Because at at those points, they need to do it to get money.
28:59
SPEAKER_06: So it's like it's hard for them to say it's you got what I'm saying?
29:03
SPEAKER_06: Because they're not in a level playing field.
29:04
SPEAKER_06: Like, let's say if you took out a random girl, like and you offered her, you know, like it's different.
29:09
SPEAKER_06: You're not in a position of power.
29:10
SPEAKER_06: You're not a superior.
29:12
SPEAKER_06: You're not a superior.
29:13
SPEAKER_06: So when you're a superior, it's it's harder for them to say no.
29:16
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
29:17
SPEAKER_06: That's why it's sort of rape because you don't really have, you know.
29:21
SPEAKER_10: Okay, no, I'm gonna go, I'm not rolling with that.
29:23
SPEAKER_08: I'm gonna go with what you're saying.
29:25
SPEAKER_08: I don't I don't get what you're saying.
29:26
SPEAKER_06: Basically, okay, so let's say someone you have a boss and they're like, the boss says you have to have sex with me to keep your job.
29:32
SPEAKER_06: A lot of women are gonna do it because they need to feed their families, they need to keep their jobs.
29:37
SPEAKER_01: Nah, you don't have to do that.
29:38
SPEAKER_06: So no, that's how it is.
29:39
SPEAKER_10: A lot of them have done it because they need to, you know, it's on your own accord, because you can leave and find another job that would be a good thing.
29:46
SPEAKER_06: But I'm saying that's what sort of makes it rape because they don't have to.
29:52
SPEAKER_06: One, they shouldn't be one, they shouldn't be offering you sex for a position.
29:57
SPEAKER_06: That's the whole thing.
29:58
SPEAKER_06: They're fucked up.
30:00
SPEAKER_06: Still, that they're still fucking.
30:02
SPEAKER_02: I should be able to do that.
30:03
SPEAKER_06: Nah.
30:04
SPEAKER_02: Why not?
30:04
SPEAKER_02: Why can't I do that?
30:05
SPEAKER_10: Because it's an ethical thing?
30:06
SPEAKER_10: It's a yes or no.
30:07
SPEAKER_10: You have to do it.
30:08
SPEAKER_10: It is an ethical thing.
30:09
SPEAKER_10: Because like that's what I'm saying.
30:10
SPEAKER_06: Because you're not one, that's supposed to be a uh an industry where it's talent above everything, right?
30:16
SPEAKER_06: Like you get up around.
30:18
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
30:19
SPEAKER_06: We all know obviously it's not, but that's what's the the fucked up thing about it.
30:23
SPEAKER_06: That they're they're involving sex and sexual favors into it when it's harder for them to say no.
30:28
SPEAKER_06: Like a lot of these, yo, actors are dirt poor, homeless a lot of the time.
30:32
SPEAKER_06: So is your so it's like it's harder for them to say no.
30:34
SPEAKER_06: That's the whole thing.
30:35
SPEAKER_06: That's what makes it rape because I don't think that makes it rape.
30:38
SPEAKER_08: Yes, it is.
30:39
SPEAKER_08: Yes, it is.
30:40
SPEAKER_08: Is your question, is it um not right if it's not agreed upon or if it's agreed upon, and then later on you change your answer?
30:48
SPEAKER_08: Which is the question?
30:48
SPEAKER_08: Okay.
30:49
SPEAKER_06: I think okay, so I think those situations maybe if you don't consider it rape, it's sort of man I would say it's it's obviously manipulation.
30:57
SPEAKER_02: You can call it all of that shit, but to call it rape is a little much.
31:00
SPEAKER_02: That's my thing.
31:01
SPEAKER_06: I get I get that point.
31:02
SPEAKER_06: I get that point.
31:03
SPEAKER_06: Because you're still exactly because at some point you're still consenting, but it's it's sort of coerced.
31:08
SPEAKER_06: Because the mo it's coercion.
31:09
SPEAKER_08: It's rape if you don't get what you would uh agreed upon.
31:12
SPEAKER_08: I don't think so either.
31:13
SPEAKER_10: It's like when you buy a stock.
31:15
SPEAKER_10: It's the same thing.
31:16
SPEAKER_10: Stock in the same gamble.
31:18
SPEAKER_10: What if I tell you I'm giving you the part?
31:20
SPEAKER_10: I give you the tryout for the part, but you just don't get picked.
31:22
SPEAKER_10: I gave you the opportunity to take the part, but you didn't get picked.
31:25
SPEAKER_10: I guess you gotta trust the people.
31:26
SPEAKER_10: Because it's still ethical.
31:28
SPEAKER_05: It's still very unethical.
31:31
SPEAKER_02: It's unethical as fuck.
31:32
SPEAKER_02: It is.
31:32
SPEAKER_02: It's coercion, it's all of that stuff.
31:34
SPEAKER_06: They shouldn't have been doing it either way.
31:36
SPEAKER_02: I think the women also participated, and I don't want to make this a victim-blaming thing, but to me, rape is a very powerful thing.
31:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
31:43
SPEAKER_02: That's literally me taking it.
31:45
SPEAKER_06: Because it's like you're forcing.
31:46
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, you're forcing you.
31:48
SPEAKER_06: There it wasn't sort of taking your right side.
31:50
SPEAKER_08: That should not be a part of the V2 movement.
31:52
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, no, no, no, no.
31:53
SPEAKER_08: Not if you're agreement.
31:56
SPEAKER_08: Understanding it was a it's a pig move, yes, but if you had an agreement, you had an agreement.
32:01
SPEAKER_06: But I'm still said yes at some point.
32:03
SPEAKER_02: And my I spent my whole career building up this company so I can have sex with these hot, beautiful celebrities because I can't get them in my normal life.
32:12
SPEAKER_02: This is what I spent my life doing.
32:13
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
32:14
SPEAKER_02: He's disgusting, he's a pig, he's subhuman, but at the end of the day, he's allowed to do these things if you allow him to do them.
32:20
SPEAKER_02: Some of the things he was doing was was wild though.
32:23
SPEAKER_02: Like he was cornering women in a room and masturbating in front of them.
32:26
SPEAKER_02: To me, that's not rape, but that's fucked up as well.
32:28
SPEAKER_02: And that's that's a whole different thing.
32:30
SPEAKER_02: That's sexual harassment.
32:31
SPEAKER_02: But to call that rape and harassed himself, that's all.
32:34
SPEAKER_06: That's yeah, nah, he didn't rape all those women.
32:36
SPEAKER_06: It was like different situations.
32:38
SPEAKER_06: But no, I get what you're saying.
32:39
SPEAKER_06: Like if there's if there's, you know, some sort of agreement, it's not the same as a big thing.
32:44
SPEAKER_02: Because it kind of downplays actual rape.
32:46
SPEAKER_02: Rape, exactly.
32:47
SPEAKER_02: No, I get that.
32:47
SPEAKER_06: I I think I agree with your point.
32:49
SPEAKER_06: I think I agree with your point, but I'm saying it's still it's still I don't know.
32:54
SPEAKER_06: It's still not right, but no, it's fucked up, bro.
32:57
SPEAKER_02: It's still not right, yeah.
32:58
SPEAKER_02: It's it's it's about it's about ethics at that point.
33:00
SPEAKER_06: And I think you still agreed.
33:02
SPEAKER_06: But that's what I was saying.
33:03
SPEAKER_06: If it's more core, that's why it sort of counts as rape, because it's sort of coursed at that point.
33:08
SPEAKER_06: But I I get what you're saying.
33:11
SPEAKER_08: Well, yeah, what are you talking about?
33:12
SPEAKER_08: No, I was just saying uh uh women need to have a lot more ralees around it in their corner.
33:16
SPEAKER_08: Oh, to stop the raping.
33:17
SPEAKER_08: No, no, no, no, just just as support because that's the problem with a lot of women, it's that they don't have too much of a support basis, so you have those wolves out there looking for the women that don't have a backing.
33:25
SPEAKER_08: Or not too many people behind it to be like, all right, I'll I'm I support you in whatever just happened with you.
33:31
SPEAKER_08: You don't have to wait 30 years to feel like you have the support or the backing or the opening that to be heard, the platform to be heard.
33:39
SPEAKER_08: Okay So somebody like Terry Cruz, he got raped?
33:41
SPEAKER_02: No, he got sexually assaulted.
33:42
SPEAKER_06: He was assaulted.
33:45
SPEAKER_02: But genitals and people shouldn't call him rape?
33:47
SPEAKER_06: No, it's not no no no, it's assault.
33:49
SPEAKER_06: You grab my nuts against my will.
33:51
SPEAKER_06: It's assault, not rape.
33:52
SPEAKER_06: If I punch you in the face, it's assault.
33:54
SPEAKER_05: It's sexual assault.
33:56
SPEAKER_05: Okay, so it's not rape.
33:58
SPEAKER_10: So rape has to be it has to enter and penetrate.
34:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
34:02
SPEAKER_10: Okay.
34:03
SPEAKER_02: Like, can you rape somebody with oral sex?
34:04
SPEAKER_02: You can rape somebody with a chance.
34:05
SPEAKER_02: That's what I was gonna say.
34:06
SPEAKER_02: Yes, absolutely.
34:07
SPEAKER_02: If I put a gun in your head and I'll force you to give me head, I'm gonna.
34:09
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I think that happens.
34:11
SPEAKER_06: That happens often.
34:12
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, like I feel like I heard a case about that.
34:14
SPEAKER_10: So, okay, so if a girl says, I want to do this, you say no, and she starts giving you oral sex, it's rape.
34:21
SPEAKER_10: Yes, absolutely.
34:22
SPEAKER_10: That's the whole thing.
34:22
SPEAKER_06: If you say the thing is That's what consent is Chubbs, that's what consent is.
34:27
SPEAKER_10: I'm about to catch your own.
34:28
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, let me rape me.
34:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but you're gonna lose in court though.
34:31
SPEAKER_02: How?
34:32
SPEAKER_02: You're gonna lose.
34:32
SPEAKER_02: You're gonna be.
34:33
SPEAKER_02: It's so hard to prove.
34:34
SPEAKER_02: Uh I got no memory.
34:36
SPEAKER_08: You have to prove that in no time after that, that you didn't put your hands behind her head.
34:42
SPEAKER_08: It's gonna be very hard to prove to you.
34:45
SPEAKER_05: Because it's like one of your stature.
34:47
SPEAKER_05: It's the same thing.
34:47
SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
34:48
SPEAKER_02: I never agree with an agreement.
34:49
SPEAKER_02: No, once you do it.
34:50
SPEAKER_02: See, no, no, that's it.
34:52
SPEAKER_02: That's a true agreement to prove.
34:54
SPEAKER_02: How is that gonna be?
34:54
SPEAKER_02: I never agree with you.
34:56
SPEAKER_10: Another thing, exactly.
34:57
SPEAKER_10: Another thing.
34:58
SPEAKER_10: That's because that's because I want to be over and get out of this.
35:02
SPEAKER_06: But that makes you still participate a little bit.
35:04
SPEAKER_06: But the thing is, like, a lot of the women who get raped, like, obviously, these men could be physically stronger than them.
35:09
SPEAKER_06: So they even though they like a lot of them try to resist and they can't.
35:13
SPEAKER_06: So if you're bigger than her physically, it's like, why didn't you?
35:16
SPEAKER_06: They're gonna be like, why didn't you stop her?
35:18
SPEAKER_10: She had a knife to my neck.
35:21
SPEAKER_10: No, no, man.
35:22
SPEAKER_10: Let's get into some ratchet shit.
35:23
SPEAKER_10: We talk about it.
35:24
SPEAKER_05: While she's sucking you off, she got a knife.
35:25
SPEAKER_05: Like, that's it.
35:27
SPEAKER_05: You deserve it.
35:27
SPEAKER_05: She got some long arms.
35:28
SPEAKER_10: She got a knife to my balls while she's doing it.
35:30
SPEAKER_10: You deserve it.
35:31
SPEAKER_10: All right, so break me and I'm kind of more.
35:33
SPEAKER_02: Again, you chose the wrong one.
35:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, let's talk about uh Lil Wayne man.
35:36
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
35:36
SPEAKER_02: Um, he dropped the Carter Five, the long-awaited Carter Five.
35:39
SPEAKER_02: And our ace has a lot of um pentum anger and rage.
35:44
SPEAKER_02: I actually like the album.
35:45
SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, let's let's let's just talk about how do we feel about the album as a whole.
35:48
SPEAKER_08: Go around the room, man.
35:49
SPEAKER_08: I'm heartbroken.
35:50
SPEAKER_10: Okay, we're gonna be.
35:50
SPEAKER_10: I actually like the album.
35:52
SPEAKER_10: I actually like the album.
35:53
SPEAKER_10: There's songs that I don't like, but there's songs that I'm like, yo, he really snapped on them.
35:58
SPEAKER_02: It's the second most streamed uh album of all time.
36:02
SPEAKER_02: Really?
36:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
36:03
SPEAKER_02: Number one is Drake.
36:04
SPEAKER_10: You know why?
36:05
SPEAKER_10: But you gotta remember because it's highly anticipated.
36:06
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, exactly.
36:07
SPEAKER_06: We've been waiting years.
36:08
SPEAKER_06: It's Lil Wayne, man.
36:09
SPEAKER_02: Isn't it crazy how Young Money has the two most streamed albums?
36:12
SPEAKER_06: I didn't really get to listen to the album like that.
36:14
SPEAKER_06: Like I didn't have that much time.
36:16
SPEAKER_06: I didn't have that much time.
36:17
SPEAKER_02: That shit was too long.
36:18
SPEAKER_02: It's a lot of songs.
36:19
SPEAKER_06: That's why I saw it and I was like, I'm not gonna have time to listen to it.
36:23
SPEAKER_02: Now let me ask you guys a question.
36:24
SPEAKER_02: Do you think it's too long?
36:25
SPEAKER_02: Because we No, no, no, hold on, hold on, hold on.
36:27
SPEAKER_02: We gotta go through it.
36:28
SPEAKER_02: Hold on, my bad, my bad.
36:29
SPEAKER_02: Uh I I gotta answer.
36:30
SPEAKER_02: So I think it was uh it was a good album.
36:33
SPEAKER_02: If I had to rank the the Carters alone, I'll go Carter three.
36:36
SPEAKER_02: I'll say Carter three, two, no, I gotta go Carter three.
36:39
SPEAKER_02: No, four.
36:40
SPEAKER_08: Oh, he's going in order.
36:42
SPEAKER_05: Let him go in order.
36:44
SPEAKER_08: He's choosing your list for you.
36:45
SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
36:46
SPEAKER_05: Let him say it.
36:47
SPEAKER_02: Oh I got Carter three, I got Carter Four, I got Carter Two, and I got Carter Five.
36:53
SPEAKER_06: Okay.
36:54
SPEAKER_06: So you so you don't like one?
36:55
SPEAKER_02: No, the Carter is the worst one.
36:56
SPEAKER_06: Okay.
36:57
SPEAKER_10: Three, four.
36:59
SPEAKER_10: You said three, four, two, five.
37:02
SPEAKER_10: Nah, I would go three, four, five, two.
37:05
SPEAKER_09: AJ?
37:07
SPEAKER_02: I like the album.
37:08
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
37:08
SPEAKER_02: I didn't love it.
37:09
SPEAKER_02: I like it.
37:10
SPEAKER_06: Okay.
37:11
SPEAKER_02: I like the album.
37:12
SPEAKER_02: I thought I liked it.
37:13
SPEAKER_06: I didn't really have a chance to like it.
37:18
SPEAKER_08: In anticipation for this damn uh album release, like like a like a groupie.
37:23
SPEAKER_08: I listened a day late.
37:24
SPEAKER_10: I listened to his birthday was the 27th, not the 28th.
37:28
SPEAKER_10: What about his birthday?
37:29
SPEAKER_10: He said I'm releasing it on my birthday.
37:31
SPEAKER_10: I don't care about that.
37:32
SPEAKER_08: So the day that it was being released, in anticipation for the release, I listened to seven different mixtapes.
37:40
SPEAKER_08: That's where you fucked up.
37:41
SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
37:42
SPEAKER_03: Because then now you're already in the middle of the room.
37:44
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
37:45
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
37:45
SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
37:46
SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
37:46
SPEAKER_08: I almost didn't know.
37:48
SPEAKER_08: I could be one of those fans who heard it.
37:50
SPEAKER_08: Because I do like sorry for the waiting.
37:54
SPEAKER_08: And she was like, nah, man, don't sleep deprive yourself over there.
37:57
SPEAKER_08: You know what?
37:57
SPEAKER_08: You're right.
37:58
SPEAKER_08: I'm gonna be bumping that shit for the next six months anyway.
38:00
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, yeah.
38:01
SPEAKER_08: It's enough content.
38:03
SPEAKER_08: Wake the fuck up to this garbage.
38:06
SPEAKER_08: Yo, I love Wayne.
38:07
SPEAKER_08: I would hate for Wayne to hear me saying this.
38:09
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
38:10
SPEAKER_10: Why do you think it's garbage though?
38:12
SPEAKER_10: Because here he had light eclipse.
38:13
SPEAKER_05: Do you not like like the lyrics or the beats?
38:17
SPEAKER_10: It's not sonically.
38:18
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, exactly.
38:19
SPEAKER_05: Sonically.
38:20
SPEAKER_05: Sonically.
38:21
SPEAKER_08: Sonically.
38:22
SPEAKER_08: No, you killed it that day.
38:23
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that shit was hilarious.
38:24
SPEAKER_08: Alright, as soon as you use it against me, I'm gonna make sure it's my kryptonite right now.
38:31
SPEAKER_08: Okay.
38:31
SPEAKER_08: Sonically.
38:32
SPEAKER_08: That shit was trash.
38:33
SPEAKER_02: Nah, I just were really good.
38:36
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, the songs were on there, but I'm not on uh I don't like Wayne for his Drake abilities.
38:42
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
38:43
SPEAKER_08: Alright.
38:43
SPEAKER_08: I feel like if to answer the first question as to why I didn't the first reason I didn't like it, because it sounded like everything I hear on the radio, it was just Wayne was on it.
38:51
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
38:52
SPEAKER_08: Normally, normally Wayne sounds different from everyone else, even though his songs saturate the market, he still individually sounds different from everybody else.
39:01
SPEAKER_02: Have you thought about this?
39:02
SPEAKER_02: Everything on the radio sounds the way it does because of Wayne.
39:06
SPEAKER_08: Um, like I said, because of his oversaturation throughout the course of the past five to six years.
39:12
SPEAKER_02: I think he's the most influential rapper on these kids, so that's why all the music sounds like.
39:18
SPEAKER_10: That's why hot 97, my man said, I ain't shit without you.
39:25
SPEAKER_06: I feel like Wayne at least, like he had a lot of clever lyrics, and like I feel like a lot of them rappers now are just saying some stupid shit.
39:32
SPEAKER_08: No matter how many times or how long of a period you put Wayne on the mic, he's gonna say some clever shit.
39:37
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, like he was very clever with his raps.
39:39
SPEAKER_06: Even though some people might sound stupid.
39:41
SPEAKER_08: To me, this album sounded like he didn't check the he didn't get clearance on this.
39:45
SPEAKER_08: This sounds like some old washed up material that maybe Baby just was gonna put out there for money, and he wasn't gonna put any money into it.
39:53
SPEAKER_08: He was just gonna put it out.
39:54
SPEAKER_02: Well, Baby is kicking himself right now because this shit is the second highest stream album of all time.
39:59
SPEAKER_02: That's a lot of money.
40:00
SPEAKER_08: Lil Wayne knew it was gonna be that, no matter if it was trash or not.
40:03
SPEAKER_08: So are still gonna listen.
40:05
SPEAKER_08: Nah, not at so much.
40:06
SPEAKER_06: Do you think he sort of he didn't put as much effort as Little Wayne's other album to do that?
40:11
SPEAKER_02: I don't think Wayne heard it.
40:13
SPEAKER_02: Because Wayne has released projects in between the Carter 5 and the last things uh he's released, and they didn't do well.
40:19
SPEAKER_02: So I think I think Birdman honestly thought that this shit wasn't gonna do well.
40:22
SPEAKER_02: I think Birdman holding it back has made it do this well.
40:26
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
40:27
SPEAKER_06: It's like, you know what?
40:28
SPEAKER_06: Because also you want to support Wayne, all the shit he went through.
40:31
SPEAKER_02: Free albums.
40:32
SPEAKER_02: Free Wheezy album, didn't do numbers.
40:34
SPEAKER_02: M and T Pain have a collab album that nobody learns to.
40:38
SPEAKER_02: Listen.
40:39
SPEAKER_08: These shit came out in the last year.
40:41
SPEAKER_08: To me, it sounded like Lil Wayne did not hear this album before it was put out.
40:45
SPEAKER_08: It sounds like they killed Wayne, and they're just not telling you because they want to get as much money as they can before they let you know Lil Wheezy passed away at such and such date.
40:56
SPEAKER_08: But we're gonna get this money off him from all of these, these songs that never made it.
41:00
SPEAKER_08: We're gonna just put a big 23 album combination together for you.
41:04
SPEAKER_08: Oh, the song.
41:06
SPEAKER_02: With him and Travis Scott was like four years old.
41:09
SPEAKER_08: Snapped on that song.
41:10
SPEAKER_08: And that song's like four years old.
41:11
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, so I'm not sure.
41:12
SPEAKER_08: Travis Scott tweeted about it.
41:13
SPEAKER_08: I don't think I'm emphasizing why I think this album was not up to par for a Wheezy album.
41:20
SPEAKER_08: I've never hit skip on a song.
41:22
SPEAKER_08: And a Wayne album?
41:23
SPEAKER_08: On a Wayne album?
41:25
SPEAKER_08: His album's never been.
41:26
SPEAKER_08: It doesn't matter.
41:26
SPEAKER_08: I've been able to digest all of it and wait for his track at least.
41:29
SPEAKER_10: You never hit a skip on Carter 2?
41:31
SPEAKER_10: No, man.
41:32
SPEAKER_10: Oh, you bugging.
41:33
SPEAKER_08: Nah, I don't think Wayne's albums are that great.
41:36
SPEAKER_08: Because at the Carter 2, I didn't know nothing about the Carter 2 when it first dropped.
41:39
SPEAKER_08: I knew about his mixtapes and then started doing homework on Wayne.
41:43
SPEAKER_08: To be honest, I just knew him for his singles.
41:46
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
41:46
SPEAKER_08: Alright, so you know.
41:47
SPEAKER_08: When Carter 3 dropped is when I became like a real Wayne fan.
41:50
SPEAKER_08: Like right before that, when I was hearing his his underground shit, his mixtape shit.
41:54
SPEAKER_08: That's what somebody just let loose.
41:58
SPEAKER_02: Was not me.
41:59
SPEAKER_02: But the Wayne, the Wayne album that comes out after this, how's that gonna do?
42:06
SPEAKER_08: I think it's gonna be fire if Wayne is alive.
42:08
SPEAKER_02: No, I'm not talking about Wayne is alive.
42:10
SPEAKER_02: I'm not talking.
42:11
SPEAKER_02: No, but niggas is acting like he's dying or something.
42:13
SPEAKER_02: Like, you don't see how the whole industry is like.
42:16
SPEAKER_02: I'm not gonna lie, when I saw him at Hot 97.
42:18
SPEAKER_10: Have you not heard the album?
42:20
SPEAKER_10: When I saw him at Hot 97, I'm not gonna lie, he looked sick, bro.
42:24
SPEAKER_10: Like he looked sick.
42:25
SPEAKER_10: The album started off very sad, too.
42:30
SPEAKER_08: That promethe scene.
42:32
SPEAKER_08: They told sick.
42:33
SPEAKER_08: Do you not remember right before he went to jail where he was having a problem with the seizures and shit?
42:37
SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
42:37
SPEAKER_08: That's from the Prometheusine.
42:39
SPEAKER_08: And they said that if he continues with the Prometheusine, he's not gonna live.
42:42
SPEAKER_08: He said he can't stop.
42:43
SPEAKER_08: And he said he can't stop because it's gonna have to kill me.
42:48
SPEAKER_10: Nah, I ain't gonna lie, he did come up with a double cup.
42:50
SPEAKER_10: I don't know what was in it, but.
42:51
SPEAKER_10: No, you know what was in it.
42:52
SPEAKER_02: It was late.
42:54
SPEAKER_02: I just think this album did so well numbers-wise because of the push.
43:00
SPEAKER_02: I don't think the next Wayne album is gonna do as well.
43:03
SPEAKER_10: Let me ask you a question.
43:03
SPEAKER_10: Did you hear Piss on my side?
43:06
SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
43:07
SPEAKER_10: Do you think that song is better than every song on his album?
43:11
SPEAKER_08: No song jumped out at me.
43:13
SPEAKER_08: I like the song that I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you the honest truth.
43:16
SPEAKER_08: I didn't memorize any names to any of them.
43:18
SPEAKER_08: Uh Mona Lisa, I remember because that's the one that everybody keeps showing her.
43:23
SPEAKER_02: That song is crazy, nigga.
43:24
SPEAKER_02: Mona Lisa's Mona Lisa and what's the one?
43:26
SPEAKER_10: Mona Lisa.
43:27
SPEAKER_02: Travis Scott?
43:28
SPEAKER_10: No, the one with the dance.
43:30
SPEAKER_10: The dance?
43:30
SPEAKER_10: The basically, the basically the Drake song on the album where everybody's doing a little shoulder dance.
43:36
SPEAKER_10: I don't know what you're talking about.
43:37
SPEAKER_06: Oh my gosh, it's on the Carter 5?
43:40
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, it's something with an R.
43:41
SPEAKER_10: I think it's like on the song.
43:43
SPEAKER_10: No, it's it's basically you see how Shiggy sounds like a Drake song.
43:45
SPEAKER_10: You see how Shiggy did the dance for Drake song?
43:47
SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
43:47
SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
43:48
SPEAKER_10: That's what's going on for Wayne's song.
43:50
SPEAKER_02: Oh, so there's a dance for Wayne's.
43:51
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, there's a challenge that he that Wayne had.
43:53
SPEAKER_06: Already?
43:54
SPEAKER_06: The one with Drake?
43:55
SPEAKER_10: No, no, it's not with Drake.
43:57
SPEAKER_10: It's right before Let It Fly.
43:58
SPEAKER_06: I think it's with an R.
44:00
SPEAKER_06: Uproar.
44:00
SPEAKER_06: There's that's the one before Letterfly.
44:02
SPEAKER_06: Uproar.
44:02
SPEAKER_02: Uproar is a song that sounds like um uh Green Ranger.
44:07
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, that's it.
44:08
SPEAKER_10: That's the one that they're doing the whole challenge for.
44:09
SPEAKER_10: Okay.
44:10
SPEAKER_10: And a lot of people giving him shit because J.
44:12
SPEAKER_10: Cole killed that beat and he took J.
44:15
SPEAKER_10: Cole off and flipped his verse.
44:17
SPEAKER_02: Oh.
44:17
SPEAKER_02: What do you mean he flipped his verse?
44:19
SPEAKER_10: That's not the same verse from Green Ranger.
44:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's not the same beat.
44:22
SPEAKER_02: It's a similar beat.
44:23
SPEAKER_02: It's not the same exact beat.
44:24
SPEAKER_02: Bro, he said.
44:25
SPEAKER_02: It's the same sample.
44:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
44:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
44:27
SPEAKER_10: That's why everybody gets shit.
44:29
SPEAKER_10: Because it's like you sample the beat, but it's like you sample that beat already and you already bodied that beat.
44:35
SPEAKER_10: Nonetheless, I'm heartbroken.
44:36
SPEAKER_10: I'm heartbroken.
44:37
SPEAKER_10: I'm heartbroken.
44:38
SPEAKER_06: You don't like it like at all?
44:40
SPEAKER_08: Nah.
44:41
SPEAKER_02: It was a very sad album, though.
44:43
SPEAKER_02: Like the content was very deep.
44:45
SPEAKER_10: The intro had me on some like, what the f now, like, I don't want to put this in the universe, but I think he might be going, man.
44:53
SPEAKER_02: I think he I know Ace is talking about his conspiracy shit that he's gone already.
44:57
SPEAKER_02: But I think something is like the way the industry is kind of like, yo, this is our guy, like, you know, the whole you you don't get to smell the flowers until that's why Birdman apologizes.
45:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like it's a lot of like, yo, it's not gonna apologize?
45:08
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
45:10
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, apologize.
45:12
SPEAKER_02: I think there's just there's something they're not telling us.
45:14
SPEAKER_08: I honestly think Little Wayne is like, yo, Wayne is the first rapper that I was listening to on their their fucking interviews, and we're like, listen, you gotta remember, we got rumors of our own, misinfo.
45:24
SPEAKER_08: Like, there's a lot of shit, obviously, within this society of people that we never even hear about, yeah.
45:29
SPEAKER_08: We're not gonna know.
45:29
SPEAKER_08: We're not gonna know the the fake beef that they they start so that they can have money going around.
45:34
SPEAKER_08: Alright, maybe it's not just a coincidence that Eminem just dropped, Nicki Minaj just dropped, Yeezy's dropping, everybody's dropping right now.
45:41
SPEAKER_08: It may not be a coincidence.
45:43
SPEAKER_02: Um, I want to ask you guys a question.
45:45
SPEAKER_02: Um, who is more influential on not the culture of hip hop, but music?
45:50
SPEAKER_02: Wayne or Kanye.
45:54
SPEAKER_08: Kanye has more uh political violence.
45:58
SPEAKER_02: Just the music.
46:00
SPEAKER_08: His music is controversial.
46:02
SPEAKER_08: Okay.
46:02
SPEAKER_08: So it it is political.
46:04
SPEAKER_08: I agree.
46:05
SPEAKER_08: Right now, our our politics is music.
46:07
SPEAKER_08: And that's the only thing we're watching headlines now.
46:09
SPEAKER_08: Our music is in headlines, Kadashi and Kanye, everything that we are now news.
46:14
SPEAKER_08: That's why that's the only reason we're misinformed.
46:16
SPEAKER_08: Because this is the only shit we want to be informed on.
46:19
SPEAKER_08: It's just our media.
46:21
SPEAKER_08: So they put our media so that they can put their influence on whatever else is happening.
46:25
SPEAKER_08: Keep looking at this.
46:26
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, it is what you like, keep looking at it.
46:28
SPEAKER_02: But do you see Kanye in the new artist?
46:33
SPEAKER_02: I feel like Kanye is aligning himself with the new artist instead of, hey, these guys are being directly influenced by me, as opposed to Wayne.
46:42
SPEAKER_02: You cannot tell me there's an artist that's come out in the last five years that does not have some semblance of Wayne.
46:47
SPEAKER_02: It's either the dreadlocks, it's either the autotune, it's either the drug abuse.
46:51
SPEAKER_02: Little Wayne was the first artist that started the I'm the abuser of drugs, not the dealer.
46:57
SPEAKER_02: He was on that popping pills, doing lean.
47:01
SPEAKER_02: Not saying the rest of them didn't do it, but he was like I'm doing it, and I'm proud of doing.
47:05
SPEAKER_02: I'm not selling the drugs, I'm doing them.
47:07
SPEAKER_02: And these kids are pretty much following the same thing.
47:09
SPEAKER_02: I don't hear a lot of drug bars besides I'm taking the drugs and the music now.
47:12
SPEAKER_02: Before it used to be I'm selling 92 bricks or I lost 92 bricks as host.
47:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but now it's like yo, I'll pop it 30 something.
47:21
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, with the face tattoos and all that shit, too.
47:23
SPEAKER_02: I think Little and Lil Wayne did a song called Dedicate on that album where he kind of touches on it a little bit, saying that, oh, like I made y'all niggas.
47:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
47:32
SPEAKER_02: Like I did the face tats, I did the lean, and y'all niggas is running with it.
47:35
SPEAKER_02: But Kanye on a production level, he, you know, he You can't I don't think there's no drinking.
47:42
SPEAKER_08: Asking if um Kanye is aligning himself with no.
47:45
SPEAKER_08: I think the industry has um has Kanye in such high regard that nothing is gonna maintain mainstream without having a touch of Kanye in it.
47:55
SPEAKER_08: And Kanye still, no matter how much he opens his mouth, and we realize that he might be losing it himself on certain aspects, um, he still has a major influence because he is a part of the culture.
48:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
48:08
SPEAKER_08: I don't know because a producer, he's an insane producer, he does that well.
48:12
SPEAKER_08: There's no way that we know how much music that he's doing.
48:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but who's doing soul samples still?
48:16
SPEAKER_06: So do you are you do you mean like Kanye's more actively influencing people versus like Lil Wayne is just like I think Lil Wayne's him being himself exactly impacting?
48:25
SPEAKER_08: I think Kanye currently current position is a little different because Lil Wayne's impact is a legacy.
48:31
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, it's never going anywhere no matter what anybody does.
48:34
SPEAKER_08: Kanye's done.
48:35
SPEAKER_06: Kanye's annoying.
48:36
SPEAKER_06: Kanye's impact are done.
48:38
SPEAKER_02: Like it's his albums are his albums aren't even selling.
48:40
SPEAKER_02: Kanye is the same.
48:42
SPEAKER_04: It's like he still didn't release that new album yet.
48:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he was supposed to release the Yandi album to compete.
48:48
SPEAKER_02: Well, he already admitted defeat.
48:50
SPEAKER_02: He knew he was gonna be second.
48:51
SPEAKER_02: I don't think he was gonna be second.
48:52
SPEAKER_08: I think Logical years ago.
48:55
SPEAKER_08: Dropped at the same time as J.
48:58
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, he did lose that.
48:59
SPEAKER_10: But J.
49:00
SPEAKER_10: Cole's following is like a cult following, bro.
49:02
SPEAKER_10: How so?
49:04
SPEAKER_10: You had people that would sit there, like the way J.
49:06
SPEAKER_10: Cole spit, it's like it's like Kid Cuddy to me in a sense.
49:11
SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
49:11
SPEAKER_10: Like you have he has a following that no matter what he really does.
49:14
SPEAKER_10: No matter what, loyal, like going to go to J.
49:17
SPEAKER_10: Cole.
49:18
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, a very loyal base.
49:20
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
49:20
SPEAKER_10: And I feel like it's worth the stretch that J.
49:21
SPEAKER_10: Cole does a lot of shit that niggas don't do.
49:24
SPEAKER_10: Instead of selling concert tickets for$40 and then charging$300 and breaking your pockets, he's like, yo, I know y'all like my content.
49:32
SPEAKER_10: Here's a dollar ticket.
49:33
SPEAKER_02: Nah, but you know, the the thing is that he was willing to accept a loss.
49:36
SPEAKER_02: That's why.
49:37
SPEAKER_02: A lot of these artists, because put it like this.
49:40
SPEAKER_06: It's sort of like he's paying his money for you to go to his own.
49:43
SPEAKER_06: He's taking a loss.
49:44
SPEAKER_10: But I'm saying, and that's real, that's real.
49:46
SPEAKER_10: That's what makes him better because it shows the realness.
49:49
SPEAKER_10: No, that when I say make you better as like a personality.
49:53
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, I'm gonna be.
49:55
SPEAKER_10: Someone who actually cares.
49:56
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, yeah.
49:56
SPEAKER_10: You don't it's not all about the money.
49:58
SPEAKER_10: It's not about the money too.
49:59
SPEAKER_10: It's about the content that you're giving me and making me feel like.
50:01
SPEAKER_10: J.
50:01
SPEAKER_02: Cole doesn't have J.
50:02
SPEAKER_02: Cole spawns.
50:04
SPEAKER_02: I can see Kanye's spawns.
50:05
SPEAKER_02: Like, I think without Kanye, we don't have a Drake.
50:09
SPEAKER_02: But I see a lot of, I see more little wing spawns than anybody.
50:13
SPEAKER_02: I see without a wing, we don't even have a Drake.
50:15
SPEAKER_02: No, but that's that's on a business level.
50:17
SPEAKER_02: I'm talking about like personality, music.
50:20
SPEAKER_02: Like, Kanye's the one that started.
50:21
SPEAKER_02: Yo, eight of weight some heartbreak, as garbage as I think that shit is, it sparked something in hip hop where I can talk about my problems.
50:28
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, more sentimental.
50:29
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, like in my feelings, in my feelings.
50:32
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
50:32
SPEAKER_02: And Drake was like I'm gonna take this and run with this.
50:36
SPEAKER_02: And he's the number one artist in hip-hop.
50:38
SPEAKER_02: The bitches move, the bitches move.
50:39
SPEAKER_02: Oh shit, Drake, we gotta wait.
50:40
SPEAKER_10: Like it's not about fucking bitches or whatever, but you and my the same thing with the weekend.
50:44
SPEAKER_10: I ain't gonna lie, and that's what kills me.
50:46
SPEAKER_10: Like, that's why I really thought I'd be like, I don't think he exists without uh Kanye either.
50:49
SPEAKER_10: That's why I really thought we should be able to do that.
50:50
SPEAKER_10: I get that point, definitely.
50:51
SPEAKER_10: I agree.
50:52
SPEAKER_10: With Drake's situation, I used to like Drake when he had rants or whatever.
50:55
SPEAKER_10: He would spit in balls.
50:56
SPEAKER_10: I knew Drake was a good one.
50:57
SPEAKER_10: Then he went into a Heartbreak Drake.
51:00
SPEAKER_10: He's a coin.
51:01
SPEAKER_10: He went into Heartbreak Drake and then he has artists like artists like P um Weekend?
51:07
SPEAKER_10: No, Party Next Door.
51:08
SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
51:09
SPEAKER_10: P and D.
51:09
SPEAKER_10: P and D.
51:10
SPEAKER_10: I was about to say P and B, I don't know why.
51:12
SPEAKER_10: But P and D and all of them.
51:13
SPEAKER_10: That he's just shelving and like not letting them shine.
51:17
SPEAKER_10: Because that's that's the money.
51:19
SPEAKER_02: No, he's paying these niggas.
51:20
SPEAKER_02: No.
51:20
SPEAKER_10: They rich?
51:21
SPEAKER_10: I feel because he's scared that Party Next Door will outshine him.
51:24
SPEAKER_10: Never.
51:24
SPEAKER_10: Nah.
51:25
SPEAKER_10: Never.
51:25
SPEAKER_10: I feel so.
51:26
SPEAKER_02: He just thinks that Party Next Door's records would sound a lot better coming out of his mouth.
51:29
SPEAKER_02: And that's that's that's the basic part of his business.
51:32
SPEAKER_08: You gotta understand that too.
51:33
SPEAKER_10: I feel like that.
51:34
SPEAKER_08: Because if you're not gonna give me your music, uh I'm gonna let you sit right there and say, Party Next Door's music, I I would listen to so much fast.
51:41
SPEAKER_10: Like you tell me party next door, dropping so long, I'm listening to it.
51:43
SPEAKER_02: That's you, but the masses, I want to hear Drake swag on it.
51:47
SPEAKER_02: And I just think that I think Kanye has he peaked, and he's doing literally anything to sell y'all shoes and records at this point.
51:55
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, yeah.
51:55
SPEAKER_08: Yo, he dropped.
51:56
SPEAKER_08: He knew his demise.
51:57
SPEAKER_08: He knew his demise after um Jigger and Beyonce did their thing.
52:01
SPEAKER_08: That's why when we didn't notice it, but Kanye was putting it out there that yo, Jay don't fuck with me.
52:07
SPEAKER_08: Jay ain't seen me in five years.
52:09
SPEAKER_08: He don't even know what my kid looked like.
52:11
SPEAKER_08: I I'm not quoting him verbatim, but we get the point.
52:14
SPEAKER_08: He was doing those rants.
52:15
SPEAKER_08: Exactly.
52:16
SPEAKER_08: That was coming from somewhere.
52:17
SPEAKER_08: That was coming from that darkness.
52:20
SPEAKER_08: He's like, yo, these they don't really fuck with me.
52:22
SPEAKER_08: I need to do something else because Rockefeller's done.
52:25
SPEAKER_08: I need to stay current.
52:28
SPEAKER_08: I need to get up on this mic right now and tell this bitch, nah yeah, yeah, your video.
52:33
SPEAKER_08: Talk to the mic.
52:34
SPEAKER_08: Your video was the worst video.
52:35
SPEAKER_08: I think Beyonce's video was the best of the year.
52:37
SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
52:38
SPEAKER_08: Because that's the thing.
52:39
SPEAKER_08: It's Kanye.
52:44
SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
52:44
SPEAKER_08: That people are going to be able to do that.
52:45
SPEAKER_06: But the issue seems the issue.
52:46
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
52:46
SPEAKER_06: People love that because it seemed like he was riding for black people.
52:50
SPEAKER_06: Like the same thing he said about George Bush, that George Bush hates back on TV.
52:54
SPEAKER_06: But it seemed like he was still riding for black people and he did whatever he, you know, whatever he felt.
52:59
SPEAKER_06: I remember that.
53:00
SPEAKER_06: But now, but the Kanye now, by supporting Trump, it's like you don't give a shit because Trump don't give a shit about black people.
53:07
SPEAKER_06: So it's like, why are you supporting someone who doesn't?
53:10
SPEAKER_06: When you were so gung-ho about, you know, saying that shit about George Bush, what happened?
53:15
SPEAKER_06: What happened to your agenda?
53:16
SPEAKER_06: That's why people That's why a lot of people don't like him.
53:19
SPEAKER_06: Because it's like, yo, have you forgotten who the hell you are?
53:21
SPEAKER_06: It makes me feel like that.
53:22
SPEAKER_06: Especially after he lost his mom.
53:24
SPEAKER_06: After he lost his mom, it's like, yo.
53:26
SPEAKER_10: When we said on the last podcast, a couple podcasts ago, when we said, even with the his Don the tragedy, Don the Joe's charity.
53:36
SPEAKER_10: And you just made it very clear.
53:38
SPEAKER_10: When you say certain shit like that, you come out with certain music, and we're idolizing these artists, and you're saying, fuck George Bush, this and third, who are we going to look at?
53:47
SPEAKER_10: Not the fucking other black motherfucker that's job.
53:50
SPEAKER_10: You feel me?
53:51
SPEAKER_10: Like so we're gonna look at you.
53:54
SPEAKER_10: Now when you're doing a walk of contradiction, it's like, what the fuck is wrong with that?
53:57
SPEAKER_02: Do you remember the first person to call out Kanye on his bullshit?
54:00
SPEAKER_02: It was J.
54:01
SPEAKER_02: Cole.
54:02
SPEAKER_02: Or no role models.
54:03
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
54:04
SPEAKER_02: I remember that.
54:05
SPEAKER_02: He called him out straight up.
54:06
SPEAKER_02: And this is before all the MAGA shit.
54:08
SPEAKER_02: What did he say?
54:08
SPEAKER_02: I don't remember.
54:09
SPEAKER_02: It was just the song that he released.
54:10
SPEAKER_02: He dissed him and Wale on it.
54:12
SPEAKER_02: The song that he shot, it was in a bus.
54:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I remember that.
54:16
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, it wasn't a rolling model.
54:16
SPEAKER_02: I remember the video.
54:17
SPEAKER_02: It was called something else.
54:18
SPEAKER_10: It was like No, he did do no role model that did have like.
54:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that was a little subtle shit.
54:23
SPEAKER_02: But that the song I'm talking about, it was uh yeah, uh KOJ.
54:25
SPEAKER_02: Can you look it up?
54:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
54:26
SPEAKER_02: Um it was he the video was him on a bus.
54:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I remember that video.
54:30
SPEAKER_02: He was dissing Wale.
54:31
SPEAKER_02: He was saying that, yo, Wale, like, stop being on the internet bitching about like your because you know Wale was bitching about not being as big as he should be.
54:38
SPEAKER_02: Right.
54:38
SPEAKER_02: And he was like, yo, Wale, you have a fucking amazing career.
54:40
SPEAKER_02: You're a great rapper.
54:41
SPEAKER_02: We know you're a great rapper.
54:43
SPEAKER_02: Fuck these people.
54:43
SPEAKER_02: And then he came at Kanye and he was just like letting him know, like, yo, bro, you're not you're not who you say you are.
54:49
SPEAKER_02: And he was the first one because, like Ace said earlier, there's probably shit that's false.
54:53
SPEAKER_02: False, false property.
54:54
SPEAKER_02: It's probably shit that goes on that we never hear about.
54:57
SPEAKER_02: And you know, J.
54:58
SPEAKER_02: Cole, like you said he's a real dude, and he was like, nah, I don't like this shit.
55:01
SPEAKER_02: Like, before he probably got in the industry, he probably looked at Kanye how we all used to look at him like that.
55:06
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
55:07
SPEAKER_02: And it was like a letdown because yo, I remember I tweeted out like maybe in 2012, uh, damn, homie, you used to be the man, homie.
55:13
SPEAKER_02: And I was talking, I added Kanye because I felt the same way.
55:16
SPEAKER_02: I was like, this nigga is like he was shifting because the music was not the same anymore to me.
55:21
SPEAKER_02: Like he was making Yeezus and shit like that.
55:23
SPEAKER_02: Like, as a super Christian dude, he was a super Christian dude.
55:26
SPEAKER_02: That's what he professed to be, but he started calling himself a god.
55:29
SPEAKER_02: And we know as Christians, I don't I don't know if everybody has to do what that is.
55:31
SPEAKER_04: No, yeah, but we're not supposed to do that.
55:34
SPEAKER_08: Check that transition though.
55:34
SPEAKER_08: Shit, the lights start flickering when we talk about that.
55:36
SPEAKER_08: But check that transition though.
55:38
SPEAKER_08: So as soon as he loses grandma and his mom's, right?
55:41
SPEAKER_08: He starts talking all this next shit.
55:43
SPEAKER_08: Because now he loses his back and his love, his real.
55:45
SPEAKER_02: This nigga made Jesus walks and then go turn around and say, I am a god, I'm Jesus.
55:50
SPEAKER_08: When Jesus walks uh came out, a friend or a close friend of mine at the time was like, yo, this dude used to have a beautiful soul.
55:57
SPEAKER_08: I really believe that.
55:59
SPEAKER_08: But I think something else got him now.
56:01
SPEAKER_08: I was like, ah, what the fuck are you talking about?
56:03
SPEAKER_08: This I'm telling you, this is like 11 years ago.
56:06
SPEAKER_08: Now I'm starting to see the shit within the past three years.
56:09
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, like he's talking about.
56:11
SPEAKER_02: We were watching the SNL clip before we uh started the podcast, and that nigga.
56:15
SPEAKER_10: He's also like you know, remember the the I forgot what um interview it was where Slim Shady came on and he just was calm and then he starts flipping everybody with blaming it on drugs.
56:28
SPEAKER_10: That's exactly what I see with Kanye right now.
56:31
SPEAKER_10: But they're saying it's not drugs, they're saying it's that's what I'm seeing.
56:36
SPEAKER_10: And listen.
56:37
SPEAKER_10: And we're gonna talk about mental illness.
56:38
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, which Kim doesn't believe is mental illness.
56:40
SPEAKER_06: He's like, just because he has an opinion, doesn't it?
56:42
SPEAKER_06: Like, I get it, but like obviously something changes.
56:46
SPEAKER_10: So you think it's some demon shit?
56:48
SPEAKER_10: No.
56:48
SPEAKER_10: I think the nigga just there's mental illness that exists.
56:51
SPEAKER_10: They both can't exist?
56:52
SPEAKER_10: You know what I think it is?
56:54
SPEAKER_06: Of course, there's many things that can go wrong.
56:56
SPEAKER_10: He came out with Jesus Walk.
56:57
SPEAKER_10: He was all spiritual.
56:58
SPEAKER_10: He lost his his mother and what was it, his grandmother?
57:03
SPEAKER_10: He loses that.
57:04
SPEAKER_10: You've been saying that for years.
57:05
SPEAKER_10: He loses.
57:07
SPEAKER_10: He loses that, and in his mind now, he sacrificed her.
57:10
SPEAKER_10: It was there's no God really out there because they, whoever it is, took that person away from me.
57:16
SPEAKER_10: If God was really there, he would have let them live with me until I pass.
57:19
SPEAKER_06: So he's like he's angry at God for letting his mom die.
57:23
SPEAKER_10: What the fuck is going on?
57:24
SPEAKER_10: Because look at it this way.
57:25
SPEAKER_10: Let's say you're in a situation, right?
57:27
SPEAKER_10: Everybody expects, you know, your parents or whatever to pass before you because of the age limit.
57:32
SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
57:33
SPEAKER_10: But let's say it was an elective surgery.
57:35
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, let's say it's like you expect it, but when it happens, it's like it still hits you so hard.
57:41
SPEAKER_10: Of course.
57:41
SPEAKER_10: My parents are gone.
57:43
SPEAKER_02: I honestly don't think it's that deep.
57:44
SPEAKER_02: To be real with y'all, I really think Kanye's just trying to sell music and he's not as gifted as he was before, or he can't keep up with the times.
57:50
SPEAKER_02: So he's trying to do this.
57:52
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna be controversial.
57:53
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
57:54
SPEAKER_05: That's exactly what I'm saying.
57:55
SPEAKER_05: I'm gonna be a troll.
57:56
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna be a troll.
57:57
SPEAKER_02: She keeps saying this troll, and they asked him about the hat.
57:58
SPEAKER_02: You heard what he said when they asked him about the hat?
58:00
SPEAKER_02: Oh, this is not the same hat.
58:01
SPEAKER_02: I took the evil out, I changed the lid, and I changed this, and I made it a new hat.
58:04
SPEAKER_02: This is my hat now.
58:05
SPEAKER_02: This just still says MAGA on it.
58:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
58:08
SPEAKER_02: And so he's admitting that the old hat had hatred in it.
58:12
SPEAKER_02: If you had to change it.
58:14
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
58:14
SPEAKER_02: So now you look like a hypocrite, like a.
58:16
SPEAKER_06: Because they think the whole problem with the hat is the words.
58:19
SPEAKER_06: He didn't change the words like crazy.
58:21
SPEAKER_06: Like stupid.
58:22
SPEAKER_02: He keep giving this nigga a pass being fucking nuts.
58:24
SPEAKER_02: He's freaking crazy.
58:25
SPEAKER_02: I wish there was a Kanye fan in the room.
58:26
SPEAKER_02: We normally have 17 of these niggas, but they just all decide not to show up today conveniently.
58:30
SPEAKER_08: I mean, I am a Kanye fan.
58:32
SPEAKER_08: No, yeah, you can't.
58:32
SPEAKER_02: No, no, I absolutely love Kanye as a as an artist.
58:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, currently I don't like who he is.
58:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, currently I don't like who he is.
58:40
SPEAKER_06: Did y'all listen to Ye?
58:41
SPEAKER_06: Nope.
58:42
SPEAKER_06: I don't listen.
58:42
SPEAKER_06: No, because I said as soon as he came out with that, I'm like, nope, I'm not participating.
58:46
SPEAKER_06: You love that person.
58:46
SPEAKER_06: No, I'm that type of person.
58:48
SPEAKER_06: Nah, I didn't listen to it.
58:50
SPEAKER_06: Because I'm like, nah, I'm for real.
58:52
SPEAKER_06: I'm not a few people.
58:53
SPEAKER_10: That song is the best-selling song.
58:55
SPEAKER_10: I'm not gonna be for him.
58:57
SPEAKER_02: What's the hook on that song?
58:58
SPEAKER_02: Um such a fucking hoe.
59:01
SPEAKER_02: I love it.
59:02
SPEAKER_02: So who we assuming he's talking about on that song?
59:04
SPEAKER_02: But then he's mad that other niggas is calling her a hoe.
59:07
SPEAKER_10: But I feel like you know what I feel that he's doing is basically like I'm getting tight because it's disrespectful, but I'm gonna make fun of it to sell.
59:18
SPEAKER_02: No, because first of all, he made the song first.
59:20
SPEAKER_02: Then he started addressing them.
59:22
SPEAKER_02: So it don't that don't even make any sense.
59:24
SPEAKER_10: Even the video went with him under the train, I'll just like anytime he's What the fuck is this wrong with this guy?
59:30
SPEAKER_02: I think I think naturally Kanye's a little, you know, crazy.
59:33
SPEAKER_02: He's always been a little crazy.
59:34
SPEAKER_02: Like that's his that's been his thing.
59:35
SPEAKER_02: He's been always been a little different.
59:37
SPEAKER_08: But now it's like it's like, why would people come see you if you're showing yourself for free?
59:42
SPEAKER_08: Alright, so if you take that in a in a different uh aspect in Kanye's sense, like he's saying, to maintain relevant, I'm gonna do things.
59:50
SPEAKER_08: I'm gonna do controversial shit that continues a stuff.
59:53
SPEAKER_10: But your cloven sells, your sneakers sell.
59:56
SPEAKER_10: Exactly.
59:57
SPEAKER_10: Why are you so focused on selling albums if that's not the road?
1:00:00
SPEAKER_10: So he dropped three sneakers within what, two weeks?
1:00:03
SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
1:00:03
SPEAKER_10: And they all sold out.
1:00:04
SPEAKER_10: Do y'all remember coming from a level of the stuff?
1:00:06
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, supposedly like he's worth a billion dollars with the Adidas shit.
1:00:10
SPEAKER_06: But I'm like, he had financial issues, so I'm like, what's happening with that?
1:00:13
SPEAKER_08: The person above him that we put him up next to his competitor, major competitor is Jigger.
1:00:18
SPEAKER_08: When you're comparing yourself to Jigger, no matter how many things you showing that he released, you still not.
1:00:22
SPEAKER_02: Seven seen platinum albums, nigga.
1:00:24
SPEAKER_08: You're not gonna be up to par with Jigger.
1:00:26
SPEAKER_08: They have the same amount of Grammys, though.
1:00:27
SPEAKER_08: He exactly, but still not the same amount.
1:00:31
SPEAKER_10: How does him and Kanye had the same amount?
1:00:32
SPEAKER_10: How the fuck does Kanye have that many Grammys?
1:00:34
SPEAKER_02: Nah, Kanye makes Grammy type music, though.
1:00:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because he's a producer.
1:00:37
SPEAKER_10: He doesn't have a producer.
1:00:39
SPEAKER_10: Okay, I see what you're saying.
1:00:40
SPEAKER_08: So he's like, what the fuck?
1:00:42
SPEAKER_08: So that's why producers are more uh most lethal artist in the in the industry.
1:00:47
SPEAKER_02: Do the rap and the track, triple double, no assist, you know?
1:00:50
SPEAKER_08: That's why Neo.
1:00:52
SPEAKER_08: I wish A wasn't gonna get a fucking Grammy.
1:00:54
SPEAKER_08: That's why Swiss Beats was the man.
1:00:55
SPEAKER_08: That's why DJ Cal is the man.
1:00:57
SPEAKER_08: Because you're a producer.
1:00:58
SPEAKER_10: I'm glad you said Swiss.
1:01:00
SPEAKER_10: Are you anticipating his album?
1:01:02
SPEAKER_10: Swiss.
1:01:02
SPEAKER_10: Come on, man.
1:01:04
SPEAKER_10: Wayne's on it.
1:01:06
SPEAKER_08: Swiss is Swiss.
1:01:07
SPEAKER_08: Like he creates great music.
1:01:10
SPEAKER_08: He's timeless.
1:01:11
SPEAKER_02: Created.
1:01:12
SPEAKER_02: Give me a Swiss track now that we fucking.
1:01:14
SPEAKER_08: I couldn't give it to you then.
1:01:15
SPEAKER_10: I think the last track that to me was.
1:01:18
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, that shit is old as fuck.
1:01:19
SPEAKER_10: That's my point.
1:01:20
SPEAKER_10: And Wayne body that.
1:01:21
SPEAKER_08: Nah, wait to go, though.
1:01:22
SPEAKER_08: The thing about Swiss Beats, he's been making his money in rock and roll for about 2013.
1:01:29
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, he's been teaching at NYU and shit.
1:01:31
SPEAKER_06: I think he he just he graduated from Harvard.
1:01:33
SPEAKER_08: So that's why I'm saying that I didn't even hear that Swiss Beat was having an album, but somebody's checking for that.
1:01:39
SPEAKER_08: Um I want to talk about mental illness away.
1:01:42
SPEAKER_08: What uh anticipation has brought us thus far.
1:01:44
SPEAKER_06: Talking way to Yeah, because isn't Kanye bipolar?
1:01:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's the thing.
1:01:47
SPEAKER_02: And uh you brought this topic.
1:01:49
SPEAKER_02: I was gonna actually have a shot to deal with this mental illness.
1:01:51
SPEAKER_06: Earlier in the week about them adding uh Yeah, so um now it's New York State law that they have to include mental illness in the curriculum, um, starting in September.
1:02:02
SPEAKER_06: So you mean in the curriculum?
1:02:04
SPEAKER_06: So they have to teach it, they have to either incorporate it in the class, or I believe a counselor has to speak, be able to speak to the kids about it.
1:02:11
SPEAKER_06: I don't like they have to learn about the signs and the symptoms of mental illness or for them to seek help in some sort of way.
1:02:19
SPEAKER_10: Didn't they always have that?
1:02:20
SPEAKER_10: No, no.
1:02:21
SPEAKER_10: You have counselors, don't you?
1:02:25
SPEAKER_10: No, counselor, that's a private school.
1:02:27
SPEAKER_10: Yo, what do you think Title I was?
1:02:28
unknown: No.
1:02:29
SPEAKER_06: The thing is, Chubbs, the thing is some schools may have done it, but it now it's New York State law that they are required to include it in the curriculum.
1:02:38
SPEAKER_08: Um uh household problems.
1:02:41
SPEAKER_10: What, Title I?
1:02:42
SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
1:02:42
SPEAKER_10: No, Title I was people basically Title I was um a sign for people that had problems uh um not understanding in certain subjects because of basically a lack learning disability.
1:02:54
SPEAKER_10: But that's a learning disability is different.
1:02:56
SPEAKER_10: That's different.
1:02:59
SPEAKER_10: They're different things.
1:02:59
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, they're different.
1:03:00
SPEAKER_08: What's the difference?
1:03:01
SPEAKER_08: Okay, so I know.
1:03:02
SPEAKER_08: So you have you can be uh you can have anxiety, depression, you can have mental illnesses that are those are learning disabilities.
1:03:11
SPEAKER_02: ADHD's more like a learning disability.
1:03:14
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:03:14
SPEAKER_02: They would say I don't even think ADHD is.
1:03:16
SPEAKER_06: No, I think it's still in the book, like in terms of the only reason schools gave a fuck about it was because it affects the city.
1:03:22
SPEAKER_10: It's affected the class.
1:03:23
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
1:03:24
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
1:03:25
SPEAKER_10: That's what I'm trying to figure out.
1:03:28
SPEAKER_10: What you're saying is autism is mentalism?
1:03:31
SPEAKER_10: Absolutely.
1:03:31
SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
1:03:31
SPEAKER_10: What else is is what you're saying?
1:03:33
SPEAKER_06: So anxiety, so there's a there's a range of anxiety disorders.
1:03:36
SPEAKER_10: Some people like me will say gay is mental.
1:03:38
SPEAKER_06: Depression, bipolar disorder.
1:03:40
SPEAKER_06: There's a whole bunch of stuff.
1:03:42
SPEAKER_10: Bipolocus see.
1:03:43
SPEAKER_06: You have certain phobia.
1:03:44
SPEAKER_10: Anxiety, anxiety, doesn't that happen?
1:03:46
SPEAKER_10: No, there's people that like stress.
1:03:48
SPEAKER_02: There's people that have anxiety that don't allow them to leave the house, dog.
1:03:52
SPEAKER_06: It could be genetic, environmental.
1:03:54
SPEAKER_08: You know how I say a lot of times if I didn't smoke, I wouldn't make it here.
1:03:56
SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
1:03:57
SPEAKER_08: It's possibly true because I'd probably flipped out and caused something else to not make me be in the room.
1:04:01
SPEAKER_08: I'm not a type of person that likes groups of people, like big crowds of people a lot of the times.
1:04:05
SPEAKER_08: I gotta be drinking, I gotta be like on um little more than mellow.
1:04:09
SPEAKER_10: Okay.
1:04:10
SPEAKER_08: To be around people.
1:04:11
SPEAKER_08: So anxiety is a sh that's a shit.
1:04:14
SPEAKER_10: So you have like a phobia of like being in law.
1:04:16
SPEAKER_10: Nah, it's not a phobia, it's not a fear.
1:04:18
SPEAKER_08: It's not a fear, it's just anxious, you're nervous system.
1:04:21
SPEAKER_05: So what happens is a lot of people like their heart starts beating, they start sweating.
1:04:24
SPEAKER_05: I can explain me.
1:04:25
SPEAKER_08: I can't explain anybody else.
1:04:27
SPEAKER_08: For me, I'm accounting for all right, so you got five people in a room.
1:04:30
SPEAKER_08: I have five people I have a better chance upon if everybody turned on me real quick.
1:04:33
SPEAKER_08: You understand?
1:04:34
SPEAKER_08: Like, say I think like this.
1:04:35
SPEAKER_08: You say you got some people.
1:04:36
SPEAKER_08: Now you step into a uh a room uh an area that has a hundred and fifty people.
1:04:42
SPEAKER_02: I got the reverse problem.
1:04:43
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I'm better than everybody in here.
1:04:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I got the reverse problem.
1:04:49
SPEAKER_10: The reason why I'm narcissists, what's better?
1:04:51
SPEAKER_10: Because me, I have a uh like extreme phobia of heights.
1:04:56
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, that's not a majority.
1:04:57
SPEAKER_10: But no, no, no, that's it gets to the point where if I get on the plane sometimes, I kid you not.
1:05:00
SPEAKER_10: Have you ever heard of fight or flight?
1:05:02
SPEAKER_10: That's what you're experiencing.
1:05:03
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, because you should be.
1:05:05
SPEAKER_10: Yo, I grabbed the seat, and bro, people look at me like I'm about to rip the seat off.
1:05:09
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, you're basically hyperventilating.
1:05:11
SPEAKER_08: You're an old West India woman, and um, you're just growing into yourself.
1:05:15
SPEAKER_08: That's all it is.
1:05:16
SPEAKER_08: But the thing about these a couple days ago, when there was an old West Indian woman just like yourself, hands.
1:05:22
SPEAKER_08: Oh Lord.
1:05:23
SPEAKER_08: Yo, hands between her head between her ears.
1:05:27
SPEAKER_06: Yo, because when we fly.
1:05:28
SPEAKER_06: Oh my god, Jesus Christ, oh my god, Jesus Christ.
1:05:31
SPEAKER_06: I was scared too, to be honest.
1:05:33
SPEAKER_06: It felt like a roller coaster, but you know the shit can go down.
1:05:36
SPEAKER_05: Holding on back in the next one.
1:05:38
SPEAKER_06: It was it's always raining when we fly back.
1:05:42
SPEAKER_10: The only time that's little punching.
1:05:44
SPEAKER_06: That's the situational thing.
1:05:45
SPEAKER_10: That hits me is takeoff and landing.
1:05:50
SPEAKER_10: The minute I feel my stomach going up, I panic.
1:05:52
SPEAKER_10: So you and there's times I've been on plain stuff.
1:05:55
SPEAKER_08: I get rainy patch like the turbulence.
1:05:57
SPEAKER_08: That right there, yo, I kid you not that.
1:06:04
SPEAKER_08: They have the planes that have the middle row.
1:06:05
SPEAKER_08: It was small.
1:06:06
SPEAKER_08: Only to that lights up.
1:06:08
SPEAKER_08: We went on the plane a little smaller than that on the way back.
1:06:11
SPEAKER_08: It only had like 25 replaces.
1:06:13
SPEAKER_08: The middle row.
1:06:13
SPEAKER_08: It just had the side rows of three.
1:06:15
SPEAKER_02: Y'all niggas flying a spirit or something?
1:06:16
SPEAKER_06: No, it was Jet Blue, but it was a smaller plane.
1:06:19
SPEAKER_02: Small Jet Blue plane I've ever been on.
1:06:20
SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
1:06:21
SPEAKER_08: Nonetheless, we said.
1:06:23
SPEAKER_08: Yo, we caught a rainy patch for the last 45 minutes of coming into the.
1:06:29
SPEAKER_08: That shit dropped about 50 feet, about seven times in a row.
1:06:34
SPEAKER_06: But either way, so Chubbs, either way, that's situational.
1:06:36
SPEAKER_06: You only have that problem when you're around heights.
1:06:39
SPEAKER_06: So with mental illness, it's sort of uh it affects your normal functioning.
1:06:42
SPEAKER_06: So like that's the difference.
1:06:44
SPEAKER_06: Like these people, it interrupts inspection of fruit.
1:06:46
SPEAKER_06: It interrupts their lives.
1:06:47
SPEAKER_10: No, that's why I asked, because you said anxiety.
1:06:50
SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
1:06:50
SPEAKER_10: And like I think I was.
1:06:52
SPEAKER_06: There's a whole bunch of different it's like just like autism, it's like a spectrum.
1:06:55
SPEAKER_10: Because I think I was like 16.
1:06:57
SPEAKER_10: Anxiety's first big panic attack.
1:06:59
SPEAKER_10: And the like the lady on the plane, like the the hostess or whatever, because I was flying by myself to Antigua.
1:07:05
SPEAKER_10: And the hostess on the plane, like, she came, she grabbed me, she was sitting there next to me, and she's like, relax, you just have an anxiety attack.
1:07:10
SPEAKER_10: Relax.
1:07:11
SPEAKER_10: You relax.
1:07:11
SPEAKER_10: Bitch.
1:07:12
SPEAKER_10: Calm down.
1:07:12
SPEAKER_10: No, because you know what happened.
1:07:14
SPEAKER_10: No big ass down before we tranquilize.
1:07:16
SPEAKER_10: What fucking happened that that I think really triggered everything was it was hurricane season, and we're going through, and they said, Oh, a hurricane, a tropical storm, a high-class tropical storm is out.
1:07:26
SPEAKER_10: It's okay.
1:07:26
SPEAKER_10: You're a big thing.
1:07:28
SPEAKER_10: And then the plane got mad calm, and the nigga goes, Okay, we're in the eye.
1:07:32
SPEAKER_10: I didn't know what the fuck that meant.
1:07:34
SPEAKER_10: That's the safest part.
1:07:35
SPEAKER_10: And then I heard that, like, after people tell me you're in the middle of the hurricane, and then it was like maybe less than two minutes, the whole period, shipwrecked.
1:07:44
unknown: Yeah.
1:07:44
SPEAKER_10: Ever since then, the minute I get in a roller coaster, sometimes I go down a fucking elevator too fast.
1:07:50
SPEAKER_10: I think.
1:07:51
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I like hearing about your life and shit, but I didn't ask for any of that.
1:07:54
SPEAKER_02: And I understand what I'm saying.
1:07:55
SPEAKER_06: But no, yes, yes, Chubbs, phobia-related disorders are under anxiety disorders.
1:08:00
SPEAKER_06: It is, but those are more situational.
1:08:02
SPEAKER_06: Let's get back to found a loophole for my child.
1:08:04
SPEAKER_08: Maybe he could be raised in New York.
1:08:06
SPEAKER_06: In terms of the curriculum, it's like a lot of kids, like, depression and anxiety can start at 14 around that age, so like that's why they feel like a need, you know, of course, or younger.
1:08:16
SPEAKER_06: But a lot of people don't seek help till they're in their like mid-20s.
1:08:20
SPEAKER_06: So that's why they want to be able to do that.
1:08:23
SPEAKER_02: We all plan on having, you know, seeds eventually.
1:08:26
SPEAKER_06: Yes.
1:08:27
SPEAKER_02: Will you be okay with your child going to school and being forced to be, I guess, screened by a person for mental illness.
1:08:37
SPEAKER_06: So the thing is, I don't think they're screening the kids.
1:08:40
SPEAKER_06: They're just teaching them in terms of what they are, the signs and symptoms of it, and then they'll they'll have the resources to seek a counselor or talk to a counselor if they feel like they feel, you know.
1:08:50
SPEAKER_06: It's just teaching them like what may be going on with some of them, because not all of them are gonna have obviously mental illnesses.
1:08:56
SPEAKER_05: I don't like that.
1:08:57
SPEAKER_06: But it's no, it's important.
1:08:59
SPEAKER_06: It's important a lot of people don't seek help.
1:09:02
SPEAKER_06: You're not screening them, it's basically it's giving the kids more knowledge as to maybe what something is going on.
1:09:07
SPEAKER_06: Like you, I'm saying something can be going on.
1:09:10
SPEAKER_06: Right.
1:09:11
SPEAKER_06: They are, but when you're 14, you're pretty smart.
1:09:13
SPEAKER_06: No, that's right.
1:09:14
SPEAKER_06: I think when I'm 14, oh, mind you, I'm a girl.
1:09:16
SPEAKER_06: Girls supposedly mature faster, but I think you're pretty smart at 14.
1:09:20
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, but let me ask you a question.
1:09:22
SPEAKER_10: If I start going, if let's say I was a child and I'm going to a school, and now I get screened, or they're telling me and teaching me, and then they label me as having a mental illness, right?
1:09:32
SPEAKER_10: That shit is with you for the rest of your life.
1:09:34
SPEAKER_10: Don't you think that would start causing more depression now in my mind thinking that I'm less than the person next to me is not a good thing.
1:09:40
SPEAKER_06: No, the thing I'm saying is that the point of this is just to have them teach, and I think they're giving the kids the option to go wherever.
1:09:48
SPEAKER_06: It's not, they're not trying to screen everybody and label everybody.
1:09:51
SPEAKER_06: That's not what they're trying to do.
1:09:52
SPEAKER_06: I think you're not going to a psychiatrist, or that's not what they're trying to do in terms in high school.
1:09:57
SPEAKER_06: You're not trying to do that.
1:09:58
SPEAKER_06: They're not going to give anybody a diagnosis because you have to be a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist to do it.
1:10:03
SPEAKER_06: They're just giving them the information as to how to recognize 12th grade things.
1:10:08
SPEAKER_02: That's the only way I'll be comfortable with.
1:10:10
SPEAKER_08: You get what it's like.
1:10:12
SPEAKER_08: I think it's like yeah, the schools will decide what they want to do.
1:10:15
SPEAKER_10: So then if you learn about schools are doing, but AG is saying what the kids go to.
1:10:20
SPEAKER_08: That's um that's not good because your children are very impressionable.
1:10:24
SPEAKER_08: So you could not have anything.
1:10:26
SPEAKER_08: But I think they're still smart with something and say, hey, um, yeah, I kind of like it.
1:10:30
SPEAKER_02: Hey, all my friends have anxiety.
1:10:32
SPEAKER_02: I would have anxiety too.
1:10:33
SPEAKER_02: I have anxiety.
1:10:34
SPEAKER_02: But that's what I'm saying.
1:10:35
SPEAKER_02: Now they're on anxiety meds for the rest of their life, and I'm like, I don't know if you're not.
1:10:40
SPEAKER_06: This is just teaching them nobody is diagnosing these kids in school.
1:10:44
SPEAKER_10: No, but I'm saying the reason why I'm not gonna be able to do that.
1:10:46
SPEAKER_10: And all that is up to the parents.
1:10:47
SPEAKER_06: The parents are the ones that take the kids wherever they need to go.
1:10:50
SPEAKER_06: But I'm saying usually they'll do that if it's like really disrupting the kids' lives.
1:10:54
SPEAKER_06: Whatever's happening.
1:10:55
SPEAKER_06: It's just not like, oh, I'm anxious about this, so let's get some meds.
1:10:58
SPEAKER_06: That's not the point of it.
1:10:59
SPEAKER_02: I think we're over over prescribed as a society.
1:11:02
SPEAKER_06: No, and in terms of in terms of diagnosis, there's a lot of things that you have to hit to get the diagnosis.
1:11:07
SPEAKER_06: You get you have usually you have peer interviews, teacher interviews, and interviews with the parents, and you know, so there's different levels that you have to go to to go get a diagnosis, and sometimes you're under that.
1:11:17
SPEAKER_06: Some people are like, so you know, it's a sub-diagnosis, but you don't, you're you're not always gonna be diagnosed.
1:11:22
SPEAKER_02: I'm a hustler, right?
1:11:23
SPEAKER_02: As a kid, I'm like, okay, Xanax is going for$50 a pop.
1:11:26
SPEAKER_02: If I go into this office and tell this lady I have anxiety five times in a row, she's gonna get me to tell my parents, hey, your kid needs Xanax, my kid gets the Xanax and goes over.
1:11:37
SPEAKER_06: I'm just saying it's not that simple.
1:11:38
SPEAKER_08: I'm saying it's not that simple.
1:11:40
SPEAKER_08: I have to flip out X.
1:11:41
SPEAKER_02: It's not that simple.
1:11:42
SPEAKER_02: So this kid is gonna start selling Xanax.
1:11:44
SPEAKER_02: I'll be cool if that was the.
1:11:46
SPEAKER_06: I'm saying it's not that simple to get the diagnosis.
1:11:49
SPEAKER_06: You were an ADHD kid in school?
1:11:51
SPEAKER_10: That's what I'm about to say.
1:11:52
SPEAKER_10: It is.
1:11:53
SPEAKER_10: Because I diagnosed in school for ADHD.
1:11:57
SPEAKER_10: They basically in school diagnosis said I have ADHD.
1:12:00
SPEAKER_06: I'm saying in terms of like anxiety in the person ADHD.
1:12:02
SPEAKER_10: You have ADHD for real?
1:12:03
SPEAKER_10: To be honest, looking at the symptoms, I wouldn't say I fully, but I say I have low cost because my attention span is shot.
1:12:09
SPEAKER_10: I'll keep it a buck.
1:12:10
SPEAKER_02: There's times when maybe it was just things you weren't you didn't want to learn.
1:12:14
SPEAKER_10: No, but no, I'm just saying in general.
1:12:15
SPEAKER_10: You could talk to me and tell me something.
1:12:16
SPEAKER_02: So when we talk about cars and bitches, uh, what's your attention like?
1:12:20
SPEAKER_02: But that's what I'm saying, but like it's like No, it's a call attention.
1:12:25
SPEAKER_02: That's those are the things you give a fuck about.
1:12:27
SPEAKER_02: If you're if they're trying to teach you some shit you don't give a fuck about, why are you paying attention to it?
1:12:30
SPEAKER_10: But there's a lot of shit that just I just gave you an example example of two things that you give to the top.
1:12:34
SPEAKER_10: You could tell me something today, you'll be like, oh, yo, help me out tomorrow.
1:12:37
SPEAKER_10: That's memory.
1:12:38
SPEAKER_10: That shit is fine.
1:12:39
SPEAKER_10: That's memory.
1:12:39
SPEAKER_10: That's not attention.
1:12:40
SPEAKER_10: Okay.
1:12:40
SPEAKER_10: My attention span when I say like that is like we'll be talking, and then sometimes you'll just see me just daze off and just lose hold folks.
1:12:47
SPEAKER_02: Because you are not paying attention to that because you don't have the interest.
1:12:49
SPEAKER_02: I'm telling you, if you sat a kid down, you said, yo, I want you to play Fortnite for five hours, they're gonna be cool with that.
1:12:56
SPEAKER_02: But if I I want you to learn about Albert Einstein for five hours, then they got ADHD all of a sudden.
1:13:01
SPEAKER_10: Okay.
1:13:01
SPEAKER_10: Another thing that they said is my hyperactive where it's like I just ramble.
1:13:07
SPEAKER_08: Well, so let me let me let me break this down to you.
1:13:09
SPEAKER_08: From what I've learned in my um uh for ADA ADD and ADHD, there's a lot of people that say a lot of doctors that say, well, that's uh here no there, because people can say whatever they want if they're uh they're they're paid for it.
1:13:23
SPEAKER_08: But um there's a lot of people who are on the fence that ADHD is just um a marketing tool for medication because the difference between ADD and ADHD, they're just adding hyper.
1:13:35
SPEAKER_08: They're not necessarily even specifying that the hyper mean a hyper form of or that you're hyperactive included with the ADHD.
1:13:44
SPEAKER_08: Exactly.
1:13:45
SPEAKER_08: They throw something else in there to give you a higher dosage of a different medication that's equivalent to this, that's not screen for that.
1:13:50
SPEAKER_08: That's why I never talked about it.
1:13:52
SPEAKER_08: Listen, they gave it to me, and the reason why I ended up with it and having to go counseling and all that shit once a week is because I decided to choke a fucking kid out who called the smelliest uh son girl my girlfriend at the moment.
1:14:06
SPEAKER_08: And I decided to get up.
1:14:08
SPEAKER_08: She was smelly?
1:14:09
SPEAKER_08: She she Alright, so it now that I'm older, I understand it was against her religion to use deodorant.
1:14:15
SPEAKER_02: Oh, you were talking with a brown girl.
1:14:16
SPEAKER_08: Nah, it wasn't the right of our class to make fun of her because she did have her natural odor.
1:14:22
SPEAKER_08: We don't know shit at that time.
1:14:23
SPEAKER_02: Was she brown?
1:14:24
SPEAKER_08: She was she was African of African society.
1:14:26
SPEAKER_08: Oh, she was African.
1:14:27
SPEAKER_08: She's actually African, dark skin African.
1:14:29
SPEAKER_08: Okay, it is.
1:14:30
SPEAKER_02: She's Muslim too?
1:14:31
SPEAKER_02: Maybe.
1:14:32
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
1:14:32
SPEAKER_08: I didn't know the details then because we weren't smart enough to understand and ask questions.
1:14:37
SPEAKER_08: All we do is criticize, because that's what society teaches.
1:14:40
SPEAKER_08: I was trying to find a joke in there, but it was a lot of fun made fun of her in school, and I don't think it was right.
1:14:46
SPEAKER_08: And I'm not also not gonna put her name out there so that she could further be made fun of.
1:14:50
SPEAKER_02: Oh, you still know her?
1:14:51
SPEAKER_08: I mean, no, I don't I've haven't spoken to her since.
1:14:55
SPEAKER_08: You know who her name is.
1:14:56
SPEAKER_08: You know who her name is.
1:14:57
SPEAKER_08: I'm not trying to get you in trouble at all.
1:14:58
SPEAKER_08: No, no, no, no, no, I should.
1:15:00
SPEAKER_08: Well, maybe that's what I'm doing.
1:15:01
SPEAKER_08: Unless her hair, you know, unless something drastically changed it, I should be able to recognize her.
1:15:04
SPEAKER_08: I know her full fucking name, and it's a long African name.
1:15:07
SPEAKER_02: You're gonna have a long conversation about this lady.
1:15:16
SPEAKER_08: She's not the beast.
1:15:18
SPEAKER_05: I don't give a fuck.
1:15:20
SPEAKER_05: How do I before?
1:15:21
SPEAKER_05: How do I before?
1:15:23
SPEAKER_05: Like, I'm not gonna be.
1:15:26
SPEAKER_10: Oh, he has a big man.
1:15:27
SPEAKER_08: Oh, no, no, no.
1:15:27
SPEAKER_08: He's gonna be a big times in my life.
1:15:31
SPEAKER_08: Really?
1:15:32
SPEAKER_08: And I don't remember what happened.
1:15:33
SPEAKER_08: It's like one or two.
1:15:34
SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry for cutting off your story.
1:15:36
SPEAKER_02: You can get to the point.
1:15:37
SPEAKER_08: Far going to the case.
1:15:38
SPEAKER_08: Okay, but you chose.
1:15:39
SPEAKER_08: Oh, okay, my biggest.
1:15:40
SPEAKER_08: Short term is shot.
1:15:41
SPEAKER_02: So You fucked up a kid because it was teasing her, and that's why you got labor.
1:15:45
SPEAKER_08: I didn't even fuck him up.
1:15:47
SPEAKER_08: No blood, I didn't hit him in the nose, nothing ran, you know.
1:15:50
SPEAKER_08: And so from that point, I got suspended, and the suspension required me to be evaluated, go to a psychiatrist.
1:15:59
SPEAKER_08: I tell the teacher, uh, I tell the um psychiatrist, what has uh what transpired to make me get suspended?
1:16:04
SPEAKER_08: And they're like, was it rage?
1:16:06
SPEAKER_08: It felt like uh Bad Boys 2.
1:16:07
SPEAKER_08: When he was like, Are you angry?
1:16:09
SPEAKER_08: No, I'm not angry.
1:16:10
SPEAKER_08: Yes, you are angry.
1:16:12
SPEAKER_08: No, I'm not fucking angry.
1:16:14
SPEAKER_08: That's it.
1:16:15
SPEAKER_08: That people don't realize that pisses you the fuck off.
1:16:17
SPEAKER_08: I went through that and I'm here to tell you that that whole system was bullshit.
1:16:21
SPEAKER_02: And they hit you with the riddle in?
1:16:22
SPEAKER_08: They hit me with the riddle.
1:16:23
SPEAKER_08: Nah, that's shit.
1:16:23
SPEAKER_08: Yo, I spit this shit.
1:16:24
SPEAKER_08: I spat the shit out every day.
1:16:27
SPEAKER_08: Crack.
1:16:28
SPEAKER_08: When I take it, every Monday I have an immense migraine that lasts the entire day.
1:16:33
SPEAKER_08: That's one thing.
1:16:35
SPEAKER_08: And all it made me feel like was a drug addict.
1:16:37
SPEAKER_08: I was sitting staring at a crack in the fucking wall.
1:16:41
SPEAKER_08: For hours, not knowing why the fuck you're staring at it.
1:16:43
SPEAKER_08: Like, yo, the reason why they gave me AD they gave me ADHD pills or ADD pills is because I already knew the curriculum.
1:16:50
SPEAKER_08: I started school in Antigua.
1:16:51
SPEAKER_08: Really?
1:16:52
SPEAKER_08: So I knew my I knew my 15 times table.
1:16:55
SPEAKER_08: My point is, I knew my 15 times table by what they call first grade.
1:16:59
SPEAKER_08: So when you throw me in uh a class of fourth grade, third and fourth graders who don't know their five times table, who don't know how to read a clock, who don't know how to write cursive, and you're teaching me this bullshit religion that I don't agree to, I'm not gonna be paying attention.
1:17:12
SPEAKER_08: You're not giving me any new material, and we're just everything is just repeat from last year.
1:17:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:17:17
SPEAKER_08: Like our own teachers, my my teachers in St.
1:17:20
SPEAKER_08: Gabe's are telling us, hey, listen, the kids in uh down south are four years ahead of you.
1:17:24
SPEAKER_08: So if you know that, why are you still giving us this curriculum?
1:17:27
SPEAKER_02: It's bullshit.
1:17:28
SPEAKER_02: And that's why I'm scared of what uh KOTHO brought to us about the whole, you know, them making this a thing.
1:17:34
SPEAKER_06: I'm just saying they're not screening.
1:17:35
SPEAKER_06: They're not they're not screening.
1:17:36
SPEAKER_02: I mean, it always starts off as, hey, we're gonna do the next one.
1:17:41
SPEAKER_06: I know, but a lot of kids, you guys are like forgetting that a lot of kids do need help.
1:17:44
SPEAKER_06: Like, okay, you don't want to mislabel or misdiagnose a kid.
1:17:48
SPEAKER_06: I understand that.
1:17:49
SPEAKER_08: But there are a lot of kids that need help in this generation that need different help.
1:17:53
SPEAKER_06: No, they're not tainted.
1:17:55
SPEAKER_06: They're not tainted.
1:17:56
SPEAKER_06: I'm a homeschooling.
1:17:57
SPEAKER_06: Why do you think like that?
1:17:58
SPEAKER_08: Fuck it.
1:17:59
SPEAKER_06: A lot of kids have mental illness.
1:18:01
SPEAKER_06: It starts around that age.
1:18:02
SPEAKER_10: I think that's that's it's not bullshit.
1:18:04
SPEAKER_06: I'm not sure I'm gonna just jump out the wheel.
1:18:06
SPEAKER_06: Just like certain things keep physically happy.
1:18:09
SPEAKER_06: Just like certain things.
1:18:11
SPEAKER_10: I don't believe it's a psychiatrist.
1:18:12
SPEAKER_10: I don't believe it's a big shit.
1:18:12
SPEAKER_10: So what do you think it is?
1:18:13
SPEAKER_10: Why?
1:18:13
SPEAKER_10: Why don't you why don't you believe it?
1:18:15
SPEAKER_10: No, no.
1:18:15
SPEAKER_10: That's that's actually the question because it's a good thing.
1:18:17
SPEAKER_10: Why?
1:18:17
SPEAKER_10: Because it's like you said, when they what?
1:18:20
SPEAKER_10: Go ahead.
1:18:21
SPEAKER_10: I'm just saying that I might not agree with you.
1:18:23
SPEAKER_10: When you said that they put you in a room, they ask you these questions about are you mad, this third.
1:18:27
SPEAKER_10: What people don't talk about them easily influenced.
1:18:29
SPEAKER_10: What people don't realize is if you say something like, Are you mad, I say no, and you keep repeating the same shit, you're gonna start to irritate me.
1:18:36
SPEAKER_10: But that's not everything.
1:18:38
SPEAKER_10: They don't go away exactly, that's not everything.
1:18:40
SPEAKER_10: When you start doing certain stuff like that to get a reaction, and then you want to label me, I don't agree with you.
1:18:45
SPEAKER_08: The reason why you don't agree with it, because depending on how you were raised, you're gonna react a different way.
1:18:50
SPEAKER_08: So instead of them targeting how the child was raised, is this a developmental difference or is this just something that's wrong with the person chemically?
1:19:00
SPEAKER_08: So if you if you react if you act like that, if a psychiatrist act like that, like we uh just said, repeating a question, are you angry?
1:19:08
SPEAKER_08: Are you angry?
1:19:09
SPEAKER_08: Depending on what type of household you come from, the second time that person a uh asked you that same uh repetitive question, you may snap and slap them.
1:19:17
SPEAKER_08: And then they're gonna put a tag on you that's oh, you're uh panic depressive, you're bipolar, you're this and that.
1:19:24
SPEAKER_08: No, that's just upbringing.
1:19:25
SPEAKER_10: Because why do you think it's so easy to you think this not how it works?
1:19:32
SPEAKER_08: That's not how it works.
1:19:34
SPEAKER_08: That's not how it works to get a diagnosis.
1:19:37
SPEAKER_08: The diagnosis don't happen that way.
1:19:39
SPEAKER_06: It's not like, oh, you show anger and that's it.
1:19:41
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it's not, it's usually not one thing happened exactly.
1:19:45
SPEAKER_06: Now it's introduced.
1:19:46
SPEAKER_06: There's a disruption in your life.
1:19:48
SPEAKER_08: You understand things in your own mind that you can notice as triggers in yourself that hey, maybe I do have a problem.
1:19:54
SPEAKER_08: Maybe lean uh cutting myself isn't isn't the solution.
1:19:57
SPEAKER_08: And one day.
1:19:59
SPEAKER_10: Don't judge a person.
1:20:00
SPEAKER_10: You don't know what to do.
1:20:01
SPEAKER_10: No, no, no.
1:20:01
SPEAKER_10: What I'm saying is, you know that it's a mental illness.
1:20:03
SPEAKER_10: I don't think that's a mental illness.
1:20:05
SPEAKER_10: What do you think it is?
1:20:05
SPEAKER_10: You don't know.
1:20:06
SPEAKER_10: I think that's just you're self-harmed?
1:20:08
SPEAKER_10: You're just so struck.
1:20:09
SPEAKER_10: Listen, the reason why I say it to me, it's not a mental illness.
1:20:12
SPEAKER_10: I'm not gonna put my business out there.
1:20:14
SPEAKER_10: Say why you think.
1:20:15
SPEAKER_10: Nigga, you already did on this podcast.
1:20:16
SPEAKER_10: Uh oh, I did already?
1:20:17
SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
1:20:17
SPEAKER_10: Alright, so basically, I went through my time of that era.
1:20:21
SPEAKER_10: I think you I think you was just hanging out with too many wife.
1:20:23
SPEAKER_10: I went through that time of era.
1:20:25
SPEAKER_08: Which time is this?
1:20:26
SPEAKER_10: What do you mean?
1:20:27
SPEAKER_10: Explain what the fuck.
1:20:28
SPEAKER_10: I was like, all right, so basically, it was a lot of fucking chemicals in my body.
1:20:31
SPEAKER_10: There was drugs, pre-workout, fat burners, like Cine Drex and all that shit in my system.
1:20:37
SPEAKER_08: Dietary supplements, shit.
1:20:39
SPEAKER_10: A whole bunch of shit that was just having me go haywire.
1:20:43
SPEAKER_10: Did I go into a little funk where I thought I wasn't good for the world?
1:20:47
SPEAKER_08: Herbalife.
1:20:49
SPEAKER_10: I didn't think I was good for the world?
1:20:50
SPEAKER_10: Yes.
1:20:51
SPEAKER_10: Did I do something?
1:20:52
SPEAKER_10: Yes.
1:20:52
SPEAKER_10: I'd cut myself, yes.
1:20:54
SPEAKER_10: But then as I did it, I'll just like- Who are your group of friends at the time?
1:20:57
SPEAKER_10: Shut up.
1:20:57
SPEAKER_10: That don't fucking matter.
1:21:02
SPEAKER_08: So where did you ever hear that as an expression of something to do?
1:21:06
SPEAKER_10: What do you mean?
1:21:07
SPEAKER_08: The cutting yourself.
1:21:08
SPEAKER_08: What made you think to do that?
1:21:09
SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
1:21:09
SPEAKER_10: What made me think to do that?
1:21:10
SPEAKER_10: You know why?
1:21:11
SPEAKER_10: No, it's not that.
1:21:12
SPEAKER_10: It's the shit that they portray on TV and all that.
1:21:14
SPEAKER_10: That's why I say it's not a mental health.
1:21:16
SPEAKER_10: They're pushing that out to the world.
1:21:19
SPEAKER_10: It's going to make it TVs.
1:21:22
SPEAKER_10: They had a whole thing that they've got to do.
1:21:24
SPEAKER_10: Netflix had a whole two-season series that we had.
1:21:26
SPEAKER_10: 13 reasons why.
1:21:27
SPEAKER_10: And that's what you think.
1:21:29
SPEAKER_10: Push that out?
1:21:30
SPEAKER_02: What is going to be like?
1:21:31
SPEAKER_02: She wasn't on the podcast when we had the debate about suicide, and how do we think that when you show, like, what are we supposed to do with suicide?
1:21:38
SPEAKER_02: When all these celebrities kill themselves, are we supposed to be like, yo, such and such kill themselves and we need to be aware of suicide?
1:21:43
SPEAKER_02: Or do we just not mention it at all because some people are copycasts?
1:21:46
SPEAKER_02: Like, man, my life is tough.
1:21:47
SPEAKER_02: Anthony Bordane just killed himself to get out of his tough life.
1:21:50
SPEAKER_02: Now let me do it.
1:21:50
SPEAKER_02: So let me kill myself and get love.
1:21:52
SPEAKER_02: Or should we just be like, this guy killed himself, nobody reported, and we leave it alone because we don't want people to copycast.
1:21:57
SPEAKER_02: So how do we police when they're pushing that into the stuff?
1:22:00
SPEAKER_06: How do you really prevent it?
1:22:01
SPEAKER_06: But that's what I'm saying.
1:22:02
SPEAKER_10: When you're pushing stuff like that into the world, then people are gonna say, oh, it's a mental illness.
1:22:06
SPEAKER_10: When it's not, it's like what we're seeing is what we're what we're basically looked at to do, portrayed to do.
1:22:13
SPEAKER_10: Like 13 reasons why.
1:22:15
SPEAKER_06: But if you kill yourself, you don't think you're mentally ill at some point?
1:22:18
SPEAKER_06: Because you're killing yourself.
1:22:19
SPEAKER_10: Because you gotta think about what you're doing.
1:22:21
SPEAKER_06: That's not a normal, that's not a normal thing to do.
1:22:24
SPEAKER_06: That's not a normal thing to do.
1:22:26
SPEAKER_06: So then there's someone ill.
1:22:28
SPEAKER_08: Your psycho is created to keep you alive.
1:22:31
SPEAKER_08: Yes.
1:22:32
SPEAKER_02: You can't bite yourself and bleed.
1:22:34
SPEAKER_02: Right.
1:22:35
SPEAKER_02: Your body's not gonna allow your blood.
1:22:36
SPEAKER_08: Simple things like that, simple psychological tests like that.
1:22:38
SPEAKER_08: If you're able to bite yourself and make you bleed, you'll have it.
1:22:42
SPEAKER_08: Because your psyche is here to help you stay alive and protect yourself at all costs.
1:22:47
SPEAKER_08: The same psyche is what allows you as a child to suppress things that may have happened to you so that you can continue to develop.
1:22:54
SPEAKER_08: Okay.
1:22:55
SPEAKER_08: So understanding that, that should change what you're doing.
1:22:58
SPEAKER_08: If you kill yourself, you're gonna kill.
1:23:00
SPEAKER_10: You know why?
1:23:00
SPEAKER_10: It's like this.
1:23:01
SPEAKER_08: If I It's not just because you saw something, understanding.
1:23:04
SPEAKER_08: Something has to happen.
1:23:06
SPEAKER_08: The problems that you may express that you've had without any sort of drug introduction to it.
1:23:11
SPEAKER_08: I get what you're saying.
1:23:11
SPEAKER_08: It's just a regular.
1:23:12
SPEAKER_10: But look at it like this.
1:23:13
SPEAKER_10: If I'm 10 years old, grown up in a household, right?
1:23:16
SPEAKER_10: Uh-huh.
1:23:17
SPEAKER_10: My older sister, older brother.
1:23:18
SPEAKER_06: I just think you haven't seen it in real life to know how real it is.
1:23:22
SPEAKER_10: What do you mean?
1:23:23
SPEAKER_06: You haven't seen someone who's have you seen someone who's mentally ill in your life?
1:23:27
SPEAKER_06: What do you I don't believe anything?
1:23:29
SPEAKER_06: Anxiety, depression, bipolar, schizophrenia, anything.
1:23:32
SPEAKER_06: Any of those titles have you seen it in your life?
1:23:36
SPEAKER_06: Because we saw it in real life.
1:23:38
SPEAKER_06: We're not gonna say who, well, there's multiple people, but we saw that shit hap go down in real life.
1:23:43
SPEAKER_06: Mind you, I studied it in college.
1:23:45
SPEAKER_06: I studied psychology, neuroscience.
1:23:46
SPEAKER_06: We didn't believe in it.
1:23:47
SPEAKER_06: All that stuff.
1:23:48
SPEAKER_06: All that stuff.
1:23:48
SPEAKER_06: I'm no, I'm not saying I didn't believe in it, but it's a totally different thing.
1:23:56
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, because a lot of people like you don't think it's real, but like when you see that shit go down to somebody, like somebody you care about.
1:24:01
SPEAKER_06: So it's then you're like, yo, this shit really exists.
1:24:05
SPEAKER_10: Listen to this.
1:24:06
SPEAKER_10: If I'm 10 years old, right?
1:24:08
SPEAKER_10: I have I have no clue what's really right from wrong.
1:24:11
SPEAKER_10: I'm still young-minded, whatever.
1:24:13
SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
1:24:13
SPEAKER_10: An older cousin, whatever, is watching 13 Reason Why, right?
1:24:18
SPEAKER_10: She's going through something, she feels people don't love her, she turns to cut herself.
1:24:22
SPEAKER_10: Now I'm a young person, right?
1:24:24
SPEAKER_10: I might not be thinking it's the right thing, but as a young person, I see that's what's going on on TV.
1:24:29
SPEAKER_10: These people are famous.
1:24:30
SPEAKER_10: Now I'm like, okay, oh, my mother might have said something along the lines of, oh, you're being stupid or whatever.
1:24:35
SPEAKER_10: Now I feel away.
1:24:36
SPEAKER_10: Now what do I do?
1:24:38
SPEAKER_10: Oh, this person cuts themselves and that helps them.
1:24:39
SPEAKER_10: Now I start cutting myself.
1:24:41
SPEAKER_10: That's not because I have a mental problem.
1:24:43
SPEAKER_10: That's because of what I see.
1:24:44
SPEAKER_10: You're impressionable.
1:24:45
SPEAKER_10: You get what I'm saying?
1:24:46
SPEAKER_10: That's just forced upon you.
1:24:47
SPEAKER_10: If that never happened in this world where the media never pushed that, there's a lot of stuff that went to the city.
1:24:53
SPEAKER_10: But why?
1:24:53
SPEAKER_06: What was the root cause of you cutting yourself, though?
1:24:56
SPEAKER_06: Obviously, something was.
1:24:57
SPEAKER_06: Explain bipolarism then.
1:24:58
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
1:24:58
SPEAKER_10: Explain one.
1:24:59
SPEAKER_10: Okay, explain bipolar.
1:25:00
SPEAKER_10: Bipolar, what?
1:25:01
SPEAKER_10: Like flipping out.
1:25:02
SPEAKER_10: I just don't think it's a good one.
1:25:03
SPEAKER_10: No, it's not just flipping out.
1:25:04
SPEAKER_10: You gotta read it.
1:25:05
SPEAKER_10: So so yeah, somebody read it.
1:25:06
SPEAKER_10: I'll give you the most basic scenario.
1:25:08
SPEAKER_08: So let me let me touch on what you just said.
1:25:09
SPEAKER_08: You you have an explanation for?
1:25:11
SPEAKER_02: No, this is the most basic scenario.
1:25:12
SPEAKER_02: Like you see a person that two hours ago they were on top of the moon.
1:25:17
SPEAKER_02: I mean the the sun.
1:25:18
SPEAKER_02: They were cool, everything was fine with them, and then literally nothing changed, and they're just the most depressed person.
1:25:23
SPEAKER_02: They want to kill themselves, or they're angry, and they there's no explanation for it.
1:25:29
SPEAKER_02: No, you're with them all day, and they're just sitting here, and they literally just can't control their emotion of what happiness is sad.
1:25:35
SPEAKER_06: Or people like when they're having a manic episode, that's when you have you're full of energy, like you're happy, you think you can't, and a manic episode can last for weeks.
1:25:43
SPEAKER_10: Exactly.
1:25:44
SPEAKER_10: Like they don't sleep.
1:25:45
SPEAKER_10: You have manic energy.
1:25:47
SPEAKER_10: There's never been times you're happy and like a thought of something that maybe you see you said a thought.
1:25:52
SPEAKER_10: But you don't know if something happened.
1:25:54
SPEAKER_10: I could have thought in my head about a family member, something that people rationalize it to yourself though.
1:26:00
SPEAKER_10: But this person can't express this.
1:26:02
SPEAKER_10: They have no reason.
1:26:03
SPEAKER_06: They don't know, they don't know a lot of the time they don't know something is wrong.
1:26:06
SPEAKER_06: Let me tell you.
1:26:07
SPEAKER_10: But how can you get sad and not know why you got sad?
1:26:10
SPEAKER_10: They don't fucking know because it happens in your head.
1:26:12
SPEAKER_10: It's a chemical imbalance.
1:26:13
SPEAKER_06: It happens in your head.
1:26:17
SPEAKER_08: Like what I what I just said.
1:26:18
SPEAKER_08: Mind you, it's not just that.
1:26:19
SPEAKER_08: I just said to you.
1:26:20
SPEAKER_08: Obviously, I'm just saying, just to stick to what you're doing.
1:26:22
SPEAKER_08: Exactly.
1:26:22
SPEAKER_06: It's so complicated.
1:26:23
SPEAKER_06: We don't even freaking know.
1:26:24
SPEAKER_08: So that that change is just because the brain is so complex.
1:26:28
SPEAKER_08: And then their body kicks in and then catches that chemical change, right?
1:26:32
SPEAKER_08: And then it gives off something else to react to that chemical.
1:26:36
SPEAKER_08: Okay.
1:26:37
SPEAKER_08: It causes that polar switch.
1:26:38
SPEAKER_08: Imagine that happening chemically in you without anything happening.
1:26:43
SPEAKER_06: It doesn't have a reason.
1:26:44
SPEAKER_06: There's no reason for the channel.
1:26:47
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, you have to see it.
1:26:51
SPEAKER_02: There's a show called Um Homeland, right?
1:26:53
SPEAKER_02: The main character, she suffers.
1:26:55
SPEAKER_02: She's a suffering.
1:26:56
SPEAKER_06: She's bipolar, right?
1:26:57
SPEAKER_02: She she suffers from bipolarism.
1:26:59
SPEAKER_02: And it's one of the the show is kind of crap now.
1:27:02
SPEAKER_02: Like, you know.
1:27:02
SPEAKER_02: But the greatest thing is the writing in that show that shows you how she gets manic.
1:27:08
SPEAKER_02: This wor this lady works for the CIA.
1:27:09
SPEAKER_02: She has these times where she's drawing these big ass spreadsheets.
1:27:12
SPEAKER_02: She don't sleep for days.
1:27:13
SPEAKER_02: They took away her daughter because she just went crazy.
1:27:16
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, damn.
1:27:18
SPEAKER_02: Like she can't control it.
1:27:19
SPEAKER_02: Without her drugs, she's a great fucking FBI.
1:27:21
SPEAKER_02: I mean a CIA agent.
1:27:23
SPEAKER_02: But she's so crazy.
1:27:24
SPEAKER_02: Like some of the things she puts it together in her brain, she can't explain them.
1:27:27
SPEAKER_02: Some of them happen in real life.
1:27:28
SPEAKER_02: Like she stopped terrorists from blowing up shit because the manic part of her brain put all these things together that nobody else can see.
1:27:34
SPEAKER_02: But on that same tip, she's neglecting her daughter.
1:27:37
SPEAKER_02: Her daughter has an eight.
1:27:39
SPEAKER_02: And she's three days up connecting these dots.
1:27:42
SPEAKER_02: And she can't explain why she's like this, but without her drug, when she's on her drug, she's, you know, she's calm.
1:27:47
SPEAKER_02: But she can't get the shit done though.
1:27:48
SPEAKER_10: Okay, so okay, the people that have um That's just a different time.
1:27:52
SPEAKER_10: I'm saying the people that what's that thing where it's like you have people that like before they leave the crib, they gotta That's O C D.
1:27:59
SPEAKER_10: Oh something like that.
1:28:00
SPEAKER_10: Is that a mental illness?
1:28:01
SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
1:28:02
SPEAKER_05: Yes, it is.
1:28:02
SPEAKER_05: Yes.
1:28:03
SPEAKER_05: Yes.
1:28:03
SPEAKER_05: It is.
1:28:04
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
1:28:04
SPEAKER_02: We they say we all have a s little bit of it, but there's some of them that have like they literally I mean that's the thing.
1:28:09
SPEAKER_06: It interrupts their lives.
1:28:11
SPEAKER_06: Like if the it messes up.
1:28:12
SPEAKER_06: For example, social life.
1:28:14
SPEAKER_08: Because some people may need a person who leaves, the person who leaves their house a particular way every day, locks the door a specific way, leaves the house, and then walks back up the block every day to recheck that door has that same disorder.
1:28:28
SPEAKER_08: The only reason why I asked compulsive disorder.
1:28:34
SPEAKER_08: Some people it's really severe.
1:28:37
SPEAKER_08: About anything.
1:28:38
SPEAKER_08: Anything, anything.
1:28:39
SPEAKER_08: They walk in the room, oh the fucking light's not clean.
1:28:41
SPEAKER_08: Like it's it's a it's a problem.
1:28:43
SPEAKER_08: It's things that we don't look like.
1:28:44
SPEAKER_02: Did you watch um Everybody Loves Raymond?
1:28:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:28:47
SPEAKER_02: He had a brother.
1:28:48
SPEAKER_02: Every time he ate something, he had to do this.
1:28:50
SPEAKER_02: He had to touch his chin and put it in his mouth.
1:28:52
SPEAKER_02: And he never realized he was doing it until somebody called him out on it.
1:28:55
SPEAKER_02: And they asked him to stop.
1:28:56
SPEAKER_02: He couldn't.
1:28:56
SPEAKER_02: He had a problem.
1:28:57
SPEAKER_02: It was a mental illness.
1:28:58
SPEAKER_02: He literally could not do it.
1:29:00
SPEAKER_10: The reason why I say that, because how many people you say, Oh, I developed OCD.
1:29:04
SPEAKER_10: Certain things gotta be certain ways in my mind.
1:29:06
SPEAKER_02: No, those people are just using the word very simple.
1:29:08
SPEAKER_06: Some people misuse the word.
1:29:09
SPEAKER_06: We all do it.
1:29:10
SPEAKER_06: They say we are a little bit more.
1:29:11
SPEAKER_06: Some people always call themselves bipolar, but they don't really bipolar.
1:29:15
SPEAKER_10: That's why when I hear some shit, I'm just like, okay.
1:29:17
SPEAKER_10: No, but that's what I'm saying.
1:29:18
SPEAKER_06: But that's my point, is you haven't really seen it in real life, so you don't really think it's real, but it's real.
1:29:24
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:29:24
SPEAKER_06: We've seen it firsthand.
1:29:26
SPEAKER_06: And especially with a lot of homeless people.
1:29:28
SPEAKER_06: A lot of homeless people have mental disorders.
1:29:30
SPEAKER_08: That's why they're like, a lot, there are a lot of them are schizophrenic, a lot of bipolar.
1:29:36
unknown: Yeah.
1:29:36
SPEAKER_08: Because they have certain uh mental illnesses or certain conditions that just go.
1:29:43
SPEAKER_06: Just how you can get sick, you know you can get physically sick.
1:29:46
SPEAKER_06: Don't you think your brain is complex enough for something to go wrong?
1:29:49
SPEAKER_08: So that was my question.
1:29:51
SPEAKER_08: That influences your behavior.
1:29:52
SPEAKER_08: That influences your behavior, your thought process.
1:29:55
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
1:29:56
SPEAKER_06: Like things can go wrong.
1:29:57
SPEAKER_10: The reason why I say something has to happen, I don't feel like it's just boom, you just have it.
1:30:02
SPEAKER_06: It's the thing is sometimes it comes with age.
1:30:05
SPEAKER_06: So, like with schizophrenia, depression, bipolar, a lot of the times it comes around in your mid twin in your twenties.
1:30:12
SPEAKER_02: You've never seen homeless people in the train talking to themselves?
1:30:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:30:14
SPEAKER_02: So okay.
1:30:15
SPEAKER_02: What do you think is wrong with that?
1:30:16
SPEAKER_10: Now let me ask you a question.
1:30:17
SPEAKER_10: When they talk to themselves, what's that?
1:30:19
SPEAKER_10: Schizophrenia.
1:30:22
SPEAKER_10: So look, so look, so look.
1:30:27
SPEAKER_10: You know my cousin that's Kurt?
1:30:28
SPEAKER_10: You know my cousin Kirk.
1:30:31
SPEAKER_10: You have hallucinations.
1:30:32
SPEAKER_10: You have a cousin.
1:30:34
SPEAKER_10: You have hallucinations.
1:30:36
SPEAKER_10: You know my cousin Kurt.
1:30:38
SPEAKER_10: You never see him sitting there?
1:30:39
SPEAKER_10: He'll be just mad cop.
1:30:40
SPEAKER_10: No, no, don't say that.
1:30:41
SPEAKER_10: Don't say that.
1:30:42
SPEAKER_10: This is it.
1:30:42
SPEAKER_10: So talking.
1:30:43
SPEAKER_10: He skips up.
1:30:43
SPEAKER_10: I've never seen him do it.
1:30:44
SPEAKER_10: Which one is this?
1:30:46
SPEAKER_10: He could be.
1:30:46
SPEAKER_10: Nah, you didn't really know.
1:30:48
SPEAKER_10: But he absolutely could be.
1:30:49
SPEAKER_10: He could be.
1:30:50
SPEAKER_10: But that's what I said.
1:30:50
SPEAKER_10: I don't think he skips it.
1:30:52
SPEAKER_10: But that's you.
1:30:52
SPEAKER_10: I just doctor, nigga.
1:30:54
SPEAKER_10: Exactly.
1:30:54
SPEAKER_10: Something happened that traumatized him.
1:30:56
SPEAKER_10: And that was it.
1:30:57
SPEAKER_10: Like what?
1:30:57
SPEAKER_10: What?
1:30:57
SPEAKER_10: What could have traumatized him to be talking to him?
1:30:59
SPEAKER_10: I don't think he skips over, bro.
1:31:00
SPEAKER_10: I don't think he has a mental issue.
1:31:02
SPEAKER_10: That's your type of issue is that?
1:31:03
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
1:31:04
SPEAKER_10: That's the difference between that.
1:31:05
SPEAKER_06: Because the problem is you think everything is environmental.
1:31:08
SPEAKER_06: You think something triggers like sometimes it does, but sometimes it's because there's something, you know.
1:31:14
SPEAKER_06: The reason why I think it's a good thing.
1:31:14
SPEAKER_06: There couldn't be something biologically, so then that trigger triggers that.
1:31:18
SPEAKER_02: So when those soldiers come back from the war and they hear firecrackers and they start flipping out.
1:31:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's post-traumatic stress disorder.
1:31:23
SPEAKER_02: That that I do believe a mental illness.
1:31:26
SPEAKER_02: And exactly, that's triggered by a traumatic stress.
1:31:28
SPEAKER_02: That one is what you're describing as a bigger thing.
1:31:30
SPEAKER_10: Exactly.
1:31:31
SPEAKER_10: That's triggered exactly.
1:31:32
SPEAKER_10: But see, that's what I'm saying.
1:31:33
SPEAKER_10: That I I do believe because there's a guy that works at my store now.
1:31:36
SPEAKER_02: It's easy for you to believe.
1:31:37
SPEAKER_10: They believe one and not the others.
1:31:39
SPEAKER_10: It's like this.
1:31:40
SPEAKER_10: If I go to war, right, and things are happening where I'm seeing large flash, and I know when let's say I see a light, a big flash, you know, that's like a bomb going off or something, and now I'm sleeping and you quickly turn on the light.
1:31:53
SPEAKER_10: I'm gonna have that flashback.
1:31:54
SPEAKER_02: No, but what about the guys that don't have that?
1:31:56
SPEAKER_10: Exactly.
1:31:58
SPEAKER_10: They can have that reaction.
1:32:01
SPEAKER_10: Because they never experienced it.
1:32:03
SPEAKER_03: No, they go to not all of them have PTSD.
1:32:08
SPEAKER_06: That's exactly what I'm saying.
1:32:09
SPEAKER_06: That's exactly what I'm saying.
1:32:11
SPEAKER_06: Not everybody's reacts the same way, but the people who do, there couldn't be something biologically wrong that led them to have that disorder.
1:32:19
SPEAKER_02: I'm mental illness frank from now on.
1:32:21
SPEAKER_02: That that doesn't work like that.
1:32:23
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:32:23
SPEAKER_02: But that is the point where we're talking about it.
1:32:25
SPEAKER_06: That's what we're trying to say.
1:32:27
SPEAKER_06: Not everybody's susceptible to that.
1:32:30
SPEAKER_08: We need to bring these psychiatrists into class so we can identify early so we can get help faster.
1:32:35
SPEAKER_06: No, the whole point is to teach the kids.
1:32:37
SPEAKER_08: The whole point is just to teach the kids about you said, AG, I don't mean to cut you off, uh KOcho.
1:32:43
SPEAKER_08: But the whole point is to what?
1:32:45
SPEAKER_06: I'm saying the whole point of these classes is just to teach the kids about the signs and symptoms and that it can exist.
1:32:50
SPEAKER_06: It's not for them to be psychiatrists, it's not for them to diagnose these.
1:32:55
SPEAKER_08: That's not the point.
1:32:57
SPEAKER_08: Slippery slope.
1:32:58
SPEAKER_08: AG, I get what you're saying, but let me let me let me break it down to you.
1:33:01
SPEAKER_08: It's a slippery slope if you don't have if you have a weak-minded child.
1:33:04
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:33:05
SPEAKER_04: Oh, fucking weak-minded.
1:33:07
SPEAKER_03: Not all of them, no.
1:33:09
SPEAKER_03: No, no.
1:33:10
SPEAKER_03: All of them are gonna be like, look, I'm depressed.
1:33:16
SPEAKER_10: Okay, let me ask you a question.
1:33:16
SPEAKER_10: You don't think a lot um majority of these kids are weak minded?
1:33:20
SPEAKER_10: Look at all these motherfuckers in these younger generations popping.
1:33:24
SPEAKER_10: They all do the same drunk, they all feel the same drug.
1:33:28
SPEAKER_10: I don't think so.
1:33:29
SPEAKER_10: For Christ's sake, they all walked around in 2011 for the same fucking haircut.
1:33:33
SPEAKER_06: I don't think so.
1:33:34
SPEAKER_10: I still got the haircut.
1:33:35
SPEAKER_06: No.
1:33:36
SPEAKER_02: I wear it because I like it.
1:33:38
SPEAKER_06: I don't think so.
1:33:39
SPEAKER_06: Because I grew up in the neighborhood where everybody did drugs.
1:33:42
SPEAKER_06: My sisters, you know, smoke, but I never did any of that.
1:33:45
SPEAKER_10: But see, you're one.
1:33:46
SPEAKER_06: Okay, so I'm saying there's more people like me.
1:33:49
SPEAKER_10: No, there's less people.
1:33:50
SPEAKER_10: There's more people, there's more people like the people.
1:33:52
SPEAKER_10: No, no, no.
1:33:52
SPEAKER_06: I'm not saying the majority.
1:33:53
SPEAKER_06: I'm saying I'm not the only one.
1:33:54
SPEAKER_06: That is my word.
1:33:55
SPEAKER_10: I get that, but we're talking about the majority of the kids.
1:33:59
SPEAKER_10: Oh, we just bad for the kids.
1:34:00
SPEAKER_02: That's on the parents.
1:34:01
SPEAKER_02: If you bring ten kids in this room, I'm convincing nine of them that they smoke worship.
1:34:05
SPEAKER_06: No.
1:34:06
SPEAKER_06: I can do it.
1:34:06
SPEAKER_06: I know I can do it.
1:34:07
SPEAKER_06: I'm saying that's not the point of these classes, is to it's not to diagnose.
1:34:11
SPEAKER_06: You're not, you're not diagnosing it.
1:34:13
SPEAKER_06: If you're just teaching them about what exists in the world, which is the whole point.
1:34:18
SPEAKER_06: In high school, you should learn more things that are gonna happen in real life, like how to build your credit score.
1:34:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we can talk about how school the school systems bullshit from the beginning.
1:34:25
SPEAKER_06: I think it's good because they're actually learning something that they may encounter in the real field of the world.
1:34:29
SPEAKER_02: You're also kind of biased because you know your uh your major was uh psychology.
1:34:33
SPEAKER_02: You're just trying to get a job.
1:34:34
SPEAKER_02: That's what's up.
1:34:35
SPEAKER_06: Because I don't even work in the field of psychology.
1:34:37
SPEAKER_02: All right, now for now.
1:34:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, all right, but um, I want to ask you a question.
1:34:40
SPEAKER_06: Most of us don't.
1:34:41
SPEAKER_02: Practition over here.
1:34:42
SPEAKER_02: If your kid um showed tendencies of being a serial killer, what is tendencies of being a serial killer?
1:34:49
SPEAKER_02: Oh, harming harming animals.
1:34:52
SPEAKER_02: He kills like every scroll he sees.
1:34:53
SPEAKER_10: Like you go to the backyard, you see him have 10 scrolls.
1:34:57
SPEAKER_10: Okay, okay.
1:34:57
SPEAKER_10: We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna nip this in the fucking butt.
1:35:00
SPEAKER_10: Because I don't see that as signs of being a serial killer.
1:35:02
SPEAKER_10: Um, why not?
1:35:03
SPEAKER_10: What if science says so?
1:35:04
SPEAKER_10: If every serial killer is.
1:35:05
SPEAKER_06: Keeping on ants is not what we're talking about.
1:35:07
SPEAKER_10: No, if that's the case, then I'm a serial killer.
1:35:08
SPEAKER_10: Because when I was younger, you know what I'm saying?
1:35:10
SPEAKER_10: You know what I had fun doing?
1:35:12
SPEAKER_10: You know what I had fun doing?
1:35:13
SPEAKER_10: You see, like my aunt has a cat.
1:35:15
SPEAKER_10: I had fun plucking the shit out of every fucking hand, tossing him off the balcony to see if he had non-fucking lives.
1:35:20
SPEAKER_10: Okay.
1:35:21
SPEAKER_10: Every time she got a cat, I kept doing it.
1:35:22
SPEAKER_10: She got a dog, I'll do the same shit.
1:35:24
SPEAKER_10: Okay, so you throw dogs off the balcony.
1:35:28
SPEAKER_02: You threw dogs off the balcony?
1:35:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:35:30
SPEAKER_02: How many dogs did you kill?
1:35:31
SPEAKER_02: Three.
1:35:32
SPEAKER_02: You killed three dogs, and when did they correct that behavior in you?
1:35:35
SPEAKER_10: Well, they just beat the shit out of me.
1:35:37
SPEAKER_02: Okay, and you didn't do it anymore, right?
1:35:39
SPEAKER_02: I grew older.
1:35:40
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so you didn't do it anymore, right?
1:35:41
SPEAKER_02: But I'm saying, at the time, why does he never answer my questions?
1:35:44
SPEAKER_02: So did you stop doing it?
1:35:46
SPEAKER_02: Now?
1:35:47
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:35:47
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna walk around.
1:35:48
SPEAKER_02: Now I'll walk.
1:35:49
SPEAKER_02: I'll drive and probably hit the cat too.
1:35:51
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna walk this back for you.
1:35:52
SPEAKER_02: First of all, you have a problem.
1:35:53
SPEAKER_10: But I'm gonna walk this back.
1:35:54
SPEAKER_10: That doesn't make you a serial killer, because I'm not gonna go kill a person.
1:35:56
SPEAKER_10: No, no, no.
1:35:57
SPEAKER_06: He says those are the signs that can lead up to that.
1:35:59
SPEAKER_06: Doesn't mean everybody's gonna become a serial killer who does that.
1:36:03
SPEAKER_02: It's not, it's not, yeah.
1:36:05
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna walk this back for you.
1:36:06
SPEAKER_02: So you killed the three cats or whatever the case may be.
1:36:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:36:09
SPEAKER_02: What did they do to you?
1:36:10
SPEAKER_02: Piece of shit.
1:36:10
SPEAKER_02: They ain't do shit to me.
1:36:11
SPEAKER_02: You killed the three dogs?
1:36:12
SPEAKER_02: What did they do to you?
1:36:13
SPEAKER_02: They didn't do shit to me.
1:36:14
SPEAKER_02: You just told me they beat you.
1:36:16
SPEAKER_10: Oh, you're talking about like my concept.
1:36:19
SPEAKER_06: Well, if you killed it, they ain't gonna do shit.
1:36:21
SPEAKER_02: Then they beat you, and then eventually you stopped doing this.
1:36:23
SPEAKER_10: Not really, because sometimes I'd be driving, I'll see cats.
1:36:26
SPEAKER_10: Oh, boo!
1:36:27
SPEAKER_02: You lived in that same house and you stopped throwing these animals off the balcony, yes or no?
1:36:31
SPEAKER_02: Well, they didn't have any more.
1:36:32
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so that's the only reason you stopped.
1:36:34
SPEAKER_02: It's because they didn't have anymore.
1:36:36
SPEAKER_10: To be honest, I got my ass beat.
1:36:37
SPEAKER_10: They never bought pets.
1:36:38
SPEAKER_10: Just worked out.
1:36:39
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so you're telling me that.
1:36:41
SPEAKER_02: There's nothing wrong with you at that point.
1:36:44
SPEAKER_02: I don't see anything too.
1:36:45
SPEAKER_02: I think violence against animals is.
1:36:46
SPEAKER_06: Hello.
1:36:47
SPEAKER_06: Um, nothing wrong with killing an animal?
1:36:49
SPEAKER_02: One of the most despicable things you can do is violence against animals.
1:36:51
SPEAKER_02: But anyways, so What do you mean?
1:36:53
SPEAKER_06: Why are you looking at us like we're crazy?
1:36:54
SPEAKER_10: Because now y'all gonna try to tell me Michael Vick was wrong for fighting dogs.
1:36:57
SPEAKER_10: He absolutely was.
1:36:58
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
1:36:58
SPEAKER_10: They do that in Caribbean all the time.
1:37:00
SPEAKER_10: Okay, they're wrong for that.
1:37:00
SPEAKER_06: That doesn't mean it's right.
1:37:02
SPEAKER_02: Anyways, the point I'm trying to make is your behavior was corrected.
1:37:04
SPEAKER_02: So I'm gonna ask you now, if you had a child and your child was doing the same thing, what would you, what would you do?
1:37:10
SPEAKER_02: To be honest, I'll probably beat him.
1:37:11
SPEAKER_02: Why?
1:37:12
SPEAKER_02: Why are you beating him if you think it's okay?
1:37:13
SPEAKER_02: Because I got beaten.
1:37:14
SPEAKER_02: No, but that doesn't make it right, though.
1:37:16
SPEAKER_10: But it's like if I got beaten for it because it was looked down upon, I'll try to tell you.
1:37:21
SPEAKER_02: No, but you don't think there's nothing wrong with that right now.
1:37:23
SPEAKER_10: I don't think that I don't think there's really So then why are you disciplining your kids for things you don't think is a good thing?
1:37:27
SPEAKER_10: I don't want society to look at him a certain way.
1:37:30
SPEAKER_10: Why would society look at him a certain way for killing his own cat?
1:37:32
SPEAKER_10: Because look at something as simple as Michael Vick.
1:37:35
SPEAKER_10: Look at something as simple as Michael Vick.
1:37:36
SPEAKER_10: Michael Vick has.
1:37:38
SPEAKER_10: Whatever the case may be.
1:37:39
SPEAKER_10: But I'm letting you know what the case is.
1:37:41
SPEAKER_10: Fighting dogs, whatever.
1:37:42
SPEAKER_10: It's illegal.
1:37:42
SPEAKER_10: Okay, and people these days have so much, so much love for animals and dogs and stuff that they get more eyelids than people to me.
1:37:50
SPEAKER_02: So you're telling me if the law was different, like if society didn't look at animals as highly, you would allow your kid to just randomly kill kids.
1:37:58
SPEAKER_10: In the Caribbean, don't people stone fucking dogs for fucking just walking in their crib, walking in their yard?
1:38:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for for trespassing.
1:38:03
SPEAKER_02: They're trying to protect themselves.
1:38:05
SPEAKER_10: A random dog just walks in the yard, what do you usually do?
1:38:08
SPEAKER_10: Me?
1:38:09
SPEAKER_02: As a human?
1:38:09
SPEAKER_02: Like people in the city.
1:38:11
SPEAKER_02: No, they they tried to get rid of the dog.
1:38:12
SPEAKER_02: No, they throw stones.
1:38:13
SPEAKER_02: To get rid of the dog.
1:38:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and sometimes niggas be talking about.
1:38:16
SPEAKER_02: Not for fun.
1:38:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, to get rid of the dog.
1:38:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's a reasonable.
1:38:20
SPEAKER_10: I used to have fun throwing stones at cows to get rid of them.
1:38:23
SPEAKER_02: The reason I'm not asking you why you were doing it, I'm telling you why the the people are doing it, is to get rid of them.
1:38:28
SPEAKER_02: They're not doing it for sport.
1:38:29
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:38:29
SPEAKER_02: What you were doing was for sport, apparently.
1:38:31
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:38:32
SPEAKER_02: So if your kid is doing the same thing, why are you gonna discipline them?
1:38:34
SPEAKER_02: Because society is going to be a good thing.
1:38:35
SPEAKER_02: So I'm asking you, if society wasn't like that, wait, you would be okay with your kid throwing cats and dogs off a balcony.
1:38:41
SPEAKER_02: I just won't stop by animals.
1:38:43
SPEAKER_02: No, but you would think that's an okay behavior.
1:38:45
SPEAKER_10: I'll just be okay.
1:38:46
SPEAKER_10: He's going through the same phase I went through.
1:38:48
SPEAKER_10: So it was a phase?
1:38:50
SPEAKER_10: Pretty much.
1:38:50
SPEAKER_02: Well, what what what prompted this phase?
1:38:52
SPEAKER_02: People tell me cats and shit have non-lives.
1:38:55
SPEAKER_02: So you have a pro yeah, that's just ignorance.
1:38:57
SPEAKER_02: That's not a problem.
1:38:58
SPEAKER_02: But if you find your kid torturing animals, you're not gonna think a certain way?
1:39:02
SPEAKER_10: I wouldn't think he's a serial killer.
1:39:04
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so then he he he levels up to torturing his friends.
1:39:07
SPEAKER_02: Or his friends.
1:39:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, okay.
1:39:08
SPEAKER_10: Now if he starts doing something like that and it keeps upgrading, then I'll say, okay, my nigga, you're wowing.
1:39:14
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so now you figure out that your kid has a problem.
1:39:17
SPEAKER_02: What do you do?
1:39:18
SPEAKER_02: What do I do?
1:39:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:39:20
SPEAKER_02: What is your first step?
1:39:22
SPEAKER_10: Old school, you're going back to the Caribbean, nigga.
1:39:24
SPEAKER_10: I'm you getting your ass beat.
1:39:26
SPEAKER_02: So you're gonna send him back to a place that has less laws and infrastructure for these things.
1:39:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:39:30
SPEAKER_02: So he can continue.
1:39:31
SPEAKER_10: He's not gonna continue because you go down.
1:39:33
SPEAKER_02: No, he's already letting you know that the you beating him is not stopping this.
1:39:36
SPEAKER_02: He's going to upgrade.
1:39:36
SPEAKER_02: He's on humans now.
1:39:38
SPEAKER_02: He's torturing humans.
1:39:39
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so you're just not gonna live in my household.
1:39:41
SPEAKER_02: So you're not gonna send him to get some help.
1:39:43
SPEAKER_10: Where am I really gonna send him to get help?
1:39:44
SPEAKER_10: If he's gonna do what the fuck he wanna do, mental institution?
1:39:48
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, you send him to a mental institution, right?
1:39:50
SPEAKER_10: They're gonna diagnose and do all this extra stuff, then guess what?
1:39:53
SPEAKER_10: He's still gonna do the same shit.
1:39:54
SPEAKER_10: That's not true.
1:39:54
SPEAKER_10: They put them on drugs.
1:39:56
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
1:39:56
SPEAKER_10: So you would rather have your child sit there and be drugged up.
1:40:00
SPEAKER_10: Then you're not sure.
1:40:00
SPEAKER_06: Then kill someone than possibly kill someone, yes.
1:40:03
SPEAKER_10: That's my responsibility as a parent.
1:40:05
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
1:40:06
SPEAKER_10: As a person.
1:40:07
SPEAKER_10: I wouldn't want to see my children.
1:40:09
SPEAKER_06: Because listen, if he kills fucking drawing, but do you want to see him killing another person's setting for a while?
1:40:14
SPEAKER_06: Look, if he ends up in jail, it's worse.
1:40:16
SPEAKER_08: That's not true.
1:40:17
SPEAKER_08: He already told you he's not gonna stop.
1:40:18
SPEAKER_08: Beating doesn't help.
1:40:19
SPEAKER_08: Because you said it didn't stop you.
1:40:20
SPEAKER_08: Yo, I'm a kid that used to get beat for everything.
1:40:22
SPEAKER_08: Right?
1:40:23
SPEAKER_08: I was just super fucking hyper.
1:40:24
SPEAKER_08: And I was bored.
1:40:25
SPEAKER_08: Now you just need to play a sport.
1:40:28
SPEAKER_08: I was grounded.
1:40:31
SPEAKER_08: Everything I did, they took away something.
1:40:33
SPEAKER_10: And then if I got nothing.
1:40:34
SPEAKER_10: Well, you kept getting your ass beat.
1:40:36
SPEAKER_10: You ain't just realized, all right.
1:40:37
SPEAKER_02: No, that's not the solution.
1:40:39
SPEAKER_08: I just kept getting my ass beat.
1:40:41
SPEAKER_02: And I wanted to talk about KOTA's topic about discipline and child abuse.
1:40:45
SPEAKER_08: Okay.
1:40:46
unknown: Okay.
1:40:47
SPEAKER_08: What's that?
1:40:48
SPEAKER_08: Where's the line?
1:40:49
SPEAKER_08: I need to learn something.
1:40:50
SPEAKER_02: Let me hit it.
1:40:50
SPEAKER_06: Where's the line?
1:40:51
SPEAKER_02: So where's the line?
1:40:52
SPEAKER_02: I kind of threw the serial killer thing in there.
1:40:54
SPEAKER_02: Just to see I tried to gauge the room.
1:40:56
SPEAKER_06: So like you would you would hit your kids, right?
1:40:58
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I'll be back.
1:40:59
SPEAKER_02: But then where does this child where does child abuse start?
1:41:02
SPEAKER_10: Are you gonna punch a kid in the face?
1:41:03
SPEAKER_10: What?
1:41:04
SPEAKER_02: You're gonna punch a kid in the face.
1:41:05
SPEAKER_10: Money, if I I was raised in a house, if I said fuck as a young kid.
1:41:10
SPEAKER_10: You could be raised in a popped in the mouth, like got my lip busted.
1:41:13
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:41:14
SPEAKER_02: And you think that helped or hurt you?
1:41:15
SPEAKER_02: That did help.
1:41:16
SPEAKER_02: You curse more than anybody in this room.
1:41:18
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, but I don't curse as like growing up, grown up and.
1:41:20
SPEAKER_10: As a kid, you didn't curse.
1:41:22
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, that's it.
1:41:22
SPEAKER_10: As a kid get knowing if I say fuck, I'm getting my lip bust or getting soap in my mouth.
1:41:27
SPEAKER_10: I didn't say it around my parents.
1:41:28
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:41:28
SPEAKER_02: I didn't say it around my parents.
1:41:30
SPEAKER_02: You just did it around your friends at a higher rate than everybody.
1:41:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because now I'm at an age.
1:41:34
SPEAKER_02: So do you think that was corrective?
1:41:36
SPEAKER_10: It was corrective because I learned that these words aren't supposed to be said around.
1:41:41
SPEAKER_10: Do you think that's a lesson they wanted to teach you?
1:41:43
SPEAKER_02: What?
1:41:43
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
1:41:44
SPEAKER_02: No, the lesson was don't curse at all.
1:41:46
SPEAKER_10: No.
1:41:46
SPEAKER_10: Yes, it was.
1:41:47
SPEAKER_10: You can call your mother ask her right now.
1:41:48
SPEAKER_10: I would call my mother and ask my mother.
1:41:50
SPEAKER_10: And my mother even had this discussion.
1:41:51
SPEAKER_10: She's like, the reason why you got beaten is because you weren't supposed to do certain things around certain people in front of me at the time.
1:41:58
SPEAKER_08: Exactly.
1:41:58
SPEAKER_10: Because now my mother's not going to be able to do that.
1:42:02
SPEAKER_10: My mother curses.
1:42:03
SPEAKER_10: Like I done heard my mother say fucking shit like that.
1:42:05
SPEAKER_10: Of course.
1:42:06
SPEAKER_10: You know what I'm saying?
1:42:06
SPEAKER_10: And she told me the only reason why I used to get beaten is because at the age that I was, she did not want it to do me to do it around her.
1:42:13
SPEAKER_10: She didn't want me to do it around, let's say, my aunt, or be in school and doing it.
1:42:17
SPEAKER_08: So that's the difference of misinformed and uninformed.
1:42:20
SPEAKER_08: Like uh Denzel Washington has a little clip of uh.
1:42:22
SPEAKER_08: That's your second time calling this nigga today.
1:42:24
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, yeah.
1:42:25
SPEAKER_08: I mean, he I gotta look up to him.
1:42:27
SPEAKER_08: He's a cool thing.
1:42:27
SPEAKER_08: He's an idol, Lamon.
1:42:28
SPEAKER_08: Um, he's a he's a real guy.
1:42:30
SPEAKER_10: Um and even now, I don't curse around my parents as much.
1:42:34
SPEAKER_02: You still curse a lot as a human, I'm saying.
1:42:36
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, but what did the beating really do for you?
1:42:38
SPEAKER_10: It showed respect for elders.
1:42:41
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:42:42
SPEAKER_02: When you go to the club and the bouncer's throwing you out, what are you telling the bouncer?
1:42:46
SPEAKER_10: That's a different story.
1:42:46
SPEAKER_10: He caused me to get like that.
1:42:48
SPEAKER_10: But I don't go in there intentionally.
1:42:50
SPEAKER_10: Okay.
1:42:51
SPEAKER_10: I don't know.
1:42:54
SPEAKER_10: I don't see intentions, man.
1:42:55
SPEAKER_10: I don't go in there intentionally being like, yo, fuck you and go off.
1:42:59
SPEAKER_10: You know what I'm saying?
1:43:00
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:43:00
SPEAKER_02: So and my thing is what are you beating your kids for?
1:43:03
SPEAKER_02: What do you mean?
1:43:04
SPEAKER_02: Do you don't you think, okay, let's say your kid curses.
1:43:07
SPEAKER_02: You think beating them is better as opposed to speaking to them?
1:43:12
SPEAKER_02: Because I'm gonna beat my kids too, but there's a different reason.
1:43:14
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
1:43:15
SPEAKER_10: Me, I'll this is how I always said I'll raise my kid.
1:43:18
SPEAKER_10: I'll talk to you the first time.
1:43:20
SPEAKER_10: Okay, I agree with that.
1:43:21
SPEAKER_10: The second time, I'll talk to you again.
1:43:23
SPEAKER_10: Nah, not me.
1:43:23
SPEAKER_10: No, me, I'll talk to you and be like, yo, listen, I spoke to you one time.
1:43:26
SPEAKER_10: I spoke, I'm speaking to you.
1:43:28
SPEAKER_10: Speak to you more aggressive too.
1:43:29
SPEAKER_10: The next time I'm not gonna be talking.
1:43:30
SPEAKER_10: The second time I'm gonna be a little more like, nigga, now I'm speaking to you on a grown man level.
1:43:34
SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
1:43:34
SPEAKER_10: Now if you still do the shit, I'm popping.
1:43:36
SPEAKER_05: Like louder.
1:43:37
SPEAKER_10: Okay.
1:43:37
SPEAKER_10: You feel me?
1:43:38
SPEAKER_10: Like, like I tell people, I came to y'all opinion.
1:43:40
SPEAKER_10: I came from shit where, nigga, I used to get hit with pots, nigga.
1:43:43
SPEAKER_10: And I learned my fucking lesson.
1:43:45
SPEAKER_10: If I'm beating on my little cousin, guess what they did?
1:43:47
SPEAKER_10: Boom, I'm getting hit with anything the motherfuckers could grab.
1:43:50
SPEAKER_10: I gotta be with fucking PlayStation-wise.
1:43:52
SPEAKER_10: And what did I learn?
1:43:53
SPEAKER_10: Don't do it.
1:43:54
SPEAKER_10: Because the motherfucker hurts.
1:43:56
SPEAKER_02: But the killing animals thing didn't work out.
1:43:58
SPEAKER_02: So nah, that ain't really you got a problem.
1:44:00
SPEAKER_08: I want to hear from my between misinformed and uninformed.
1:44:04
SPEAKER_08: Like damn judge.
1:44:05
SPEAKER_08: Alright, so your mother was misinformed, but at least she was informed of something as a as a form of reprimanding, right?
1:44:14
SPEAKER_08: So she knew to teach you not to do things that were out of her liking or things that she thought she was taught, right?
1:44:20
SPEAKER_08: See, now all you learned was getting hit for buttering up your mother.
1:44:25
SPEAKER_08: Alright, so she didn't instill a lesson in in in the cursing.
1:44:29
SPEAKER_08: So where the cursing comes from, cursing is believed to be an actual curse.
1:44:33
SPEAKER_08: Like you believe in uh witches and words and shit like that.
1:44:36
SPEAKER_08: Words that have power.
1:44:37
SPEAKER_08: So you're actually cursing, you're saying a curse.
1:44:41
SPEAKER_08: You're you're asking an uh an entity you don't want, a a negative entity or a negative evil.
1:44:47
SPEAKER_08: So that's why you're not supposed to curse ever, not just in front of your parents.
1:44:51
SPEAKER_08: So that's what kind of gets lost in translation of that reprimanding.
1:44:54
SPEAKER_08: Exactly.
1:44:55
SPEAKER_08: So you're learning how is more most effective into how to teach a lesson, but you're not teaching.
1:45:01
SPEAKER_08: Not why.
1:45:02
SPEAKER_08: You're just instilling the abuse inside of it.
1:45:05
SPEAKER_08: Not the lesson that goes along with it.
1:45:07
SPEAKER_08: So to just pointlessly beat your child, that's abuse.
1:45:10
SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
1:45:11
SPEAKER_08: To reprimand your child and have a lesson behind it and have them grow as a person and as a as a being, that's an entire different conversation.
1:45:18
SPEAKER_10: What about grades?
1:45:19
SPEAKER_10: I wouldn't say, I wouldn't say it's abuse until there's wouldn't you say it's abuse?
1:45:24
SPEAKER_08: Because I said specifically abuse is repeatedly beating your child without a lesson.
1:45:29
SPEAKER_10: But if I'm teaching you I just would never want to make my kid bleed.
1:45:33
SPEAKER_10: That's what I'm saying.
1:45:34
SPEAKER_10: Like, if it depends on like what was it?
1:45:36
SPEAKER_10: When I say bleed, it depends on like if if let's say like my mother's teaching me not to curse around elders because it's a form of disrespect.
1:45:46
SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
1:45:46
SPEAKER_10: I've learnt a lesson.
1:45:48
SPEAKER_10: You get what I'm saying?
1:45:49
SPEAKER_10: It's not like I didn't learn a lesson at all.
1:45:51
SPEAKER_10: I did learn a lesson.
1:45:52
SPEAKER_10: It might not be the original lesson of what the actual curses really is, but I learned a lesson of that's a disrespect in front of elders.
1:45:59
SPEAKER_10: It just like so you see how we both agree on that?
1:46:01
SPEAKER_08: What part do you what part do you think I'd be missed but that's being missed about the whole spectrum of it?
1:46:06
SPEAKER_08: Because you were lot taught a half lesson, you didn't understand the full intensity of it.
1:46:12
SPEAKER_08: That's why you continue to curse on a regular basis when your mother is not around or that superior isn't around.
1:46:17
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, but what I'm saying is abuse, you get what I'm saying?
1:46:20
SPEAKER_10: Because you're they're still teaching you a lesson.
1:46:23
SPEAKER_10: So do you guys believe you guys were abused?
1:46:25
SPEAKER_02: Anybody anybody in there?
1:46:26
SPEAKER_10: That's what I'm saying.
1:46:26
SPEAKER_10: Because if you're saying that they didn't really teach me a lesson, then that means I got abused.
1:46:30
SPEAKER_10: I don't really think I got abused because I learnt a lesson.
1:46:33
SPEAKER_10: It may not be the same.
1:46:34
SPEAKER_08: Some women don't believe that they're raped because their husband decided to do whatever they felt like or punch them in the face.
1:46:40
SPEAKER_08: So it's not spousal abuse because um, I deserved it.
1:46:44
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, I deserved it.
1:46:45
SPEAKER_08: That doesn't make it right.
1:46:46
SPEAKER_08: I burned the topic.
1:46:47
SPEAKER_08: But that's what I say.
1:46:48
SPEAKER_10: So technically you're saying that when we got beaten, we got abused.
1:46:51
SPEAKER_08: Um, yeah, I I've I've I've got physically abused, but I deserve abuse.
1:46:55
SPEAKER_06: I think most Caribbean parents, it is sort of abuse.
1:46:57
SPEAKER_06: I don't I don't say it's abuse.
1:46:58
SPEAKER_06: Nah, a lot of them, a lot of them, a lot of them.
1:47:01
SPEAKER_08: You know why it's like everything is not equal.
1:47:03
SPEAKER_06: I'm not saying it doesn't have, you know, the kid doesn't have some sort of responsibility in terms of what he did, but I think most Caribbean parents is a little bit abusive.
1:47:10
SPEAKER_06: How do they feel about closed fists?
1:47:12
SPEAKER_06: It's a little bit abusive.
1:47:13
SPEAKER_10: That's what I'm asking.
1:47:14
SPEAKER_10: Close fist?
1:47:14
SPEAKER_10: Depends.
1:47:15
SPEAKER_08: Depends.
1:47:16
SPEAKER_08: Close fist onto what from whom?
1:47:18
SPEAKER_08: Face.
1:47:19
SPEAKER_08: Adult?
1:47:20
SPEAKER_08: Face.
1:47:20
SPEAKER_08: Depends on what you did.
1:47:22
SPEAKER_08: Okay.
1:47:22
SPEAKER_08: There were children like that.
1:47:24
SPEAKER_06: So what what would be the line?
1:47:25
SPEAKER_06: What would be okay?
1:47:26
SPEAKER_06: No, no, no, no.
1:47:27
SPEAKER_08: There were children like AG and there were children like me.
1:47:29
SPEAKER_08: I mean that's to say AG was technically that size when he was fucking ten.
1:47:34
SPEAKER_08: Five years old, he was that.
1:47:36
SPEAKER_08: I used to try to tell him to do something, and his question, yo, he's gonna do it forcefully, but he's gonna still say, but why?
1:47:44
SPEAKER_08: With his hands out like all the time, all the time.
1:47:46
SPEAKER_08: Same shit.
1:47:48
SPEAKER_08: You can't physic I couldn't physically move him to do that thing, because at that time I was smaller than him still.
1:47:53
SPEAKER_10: Okay.
1:47:54
SPEAKER_08: So you have to address that differently.
1:47:56
SPEAKER_08: So maybe it would have been alright for me to close fists, hit him in the ribs real quick.
1:48:00
SPEAKER_08: So you're gonna say I meant it.
1:48:02
SPEAKER_06: Because he's bigger.
1:48:03
SPEAKER_08: But if it was reversed, it would look like it would look like abuse.
1:48:06
SPEAKER_08: Although the age is smaller.
1:48:09
SPEAKER_10: But okay, this is this is where I draw the line.
1:48:11
SPEAKER_10: I'm gonna give you where I go discipline and abuse.
1:48:14
SPEAKER_10: Okay.
1:48:15
SPEAKER_10: If you get your ass beat by whatever it is, it's discipline.
1:48:18
SPEAKER_10: The minute it gets to the point where now let's say, let's say I close fist you, and now you have a bruise with him and has to go to the hospital, that's abuse.
1:48:26
SPEAKER_10: That's not a bruise, that's a broken bone.
1:48:28
SPEAKER_10: Ribbon.
1:48:28
SPEAKER_10: That's contusion.
1:48:29
SPEAKER_10: Okay, something like that, that's abuse.
1:48:31
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
1:48:32
SPEAKER_10: If I pop you for, let's say, cursing and your lip bust, cool.
1:48:37
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, you're you're West India.
1:48:38
SPEAKER_08: I know you heard this.
1:48:39
SPEAKER_08: Don't move.
1:48:41
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, that ain't abuse.
1:48:43
SPEAKER_08: Hey, so now if you moved and now that strike has now ended up in your rib or your tooth, who's not abuse.
1:48:49
SPEAKER_08: That's your fault.
1:48:50
SPEAKER_08: You moved.
1:48:50
SPEAKER_08: That's not abuse.
1:48:51
SPEAKER_08: So that's where it's dangerous, bro.
1:48:53
SPEAKER_10: You know what I'm saying?
1:48:54
SPEAKER_10: But that's what I'm saying.
1:48:54
SPEAKER_10: That's why I draw the line.
1:48:55
SPEAKER_10: If it comes to where now it's a broke, because I I'll keep it above.
1:48:58
SPEAKER_10: Where I felt like was the most worst bean I got is I had cursed out my teacher, I think, my freshman year or some stupid shit.
1:49:08
SPEAKER_08: I went home.
1:49:09
SPEAKER_08: Point being, I don't think a I don't think a parent is supposed to close fist, close fists, reprimand a child.
1:49:14
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, me either.
1:49:15
SPEAKER_08: Period.
1:49:16
SPEAKER_08: Period.
1:49:16
SPEAKER_08: But I was also just being a devil's advocate to saying it's a different society and shit like that.
1:49:21
SPEAKER_08: That's that comes in.
1:49:22
SPEAKER_10: So if your mom close fits is a problem.
1:49:25
SPEAKER_08: It's not that I can make a problem over it if I'm just gonna be able to do it.
1:49:27
SPEAKER_08: No, I'm asking, is that at what point in my life?
1:49:29
SPEAKER_08: At what point in my life?
1:49:31
SPEAKER_10: A child.
1:49:32
SPEAKER_10: I think there's maybe middle school, high school.
1:49:34
SPEAKER_10: Slap the shit.
1:49:34
SPEAKER_10: Your mom, as you being a guy, your mom, your mom close fits you.
1:49:38
SPEAKER_10: Is that abuse?
1:49:39
SPEAKER_02: That's abuse, bro.
1:49:40
SPEAKER_10: How's that abuse?
1:49:40
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, how's that abuse?
1:49:42
SPEAKER_10: She's disrespecting your person.
1:49:43
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, that's not true.
1:49:44
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, that's a fight.
1:49:45
SPEAKER_10: I'm gonna tell you why I don't look at it as abuse.
1:49:47
SPEAKER_10: Because it happened to you now.
1:49:48
SPEAKER_10: No, no.
1:49:49
SPEAKER_10: It's not like if she had she's gonna sit there, close fist you with the amount of power that's actually gonna do physical damage.
1:49:55
SPEAKER_10: Get the fuck out of here.
1:49:57
SPEAKER_10: You get what I'm saying?
1:49:58
SPEAKER_10: That's a close father, close fish.
1:50:00
SPEAKER_10: You, you're gonna have a brute.
1:50:01
SPEAKER_10: Any of your parents clothes fits you has a problem.
1:50:04
SPEAKER_10: It's like a man, bro.
1:50:05
SPEAKER_10: Well, that's that that's just you.
1:50:06
SPEAKER_10: That's a fight.
1:50:08
SPEAKER_02: That's not a move of discipline.
1:50:09
SPEAKER_02: That's a move of this is of assault.
1:50:11
SPEAKER_02: When you get into a fight with a person, death is the outcome.
1:50:13
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
1:50:14
SPEAKER_08: That's my point.
1:50:15
SPEAKER_08: That is my point.
1:50:16
SPEAKER_08: There's no I'm fighting you a little bit.
1:50:17
SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
1:50:18
SPEAKER_08: I'm gonna try to rip your shoulder out of his joint, bend your net your fingers backwards.
1:50:22
SPEAKER_08: No, no, no.
1:50:23
SPEAKER_08: That's why you fight people to fuck alone because you don't understand.
1:50:27
SPEAKER_08: You don't understand the level of how they think.
1:50:28
SPEAKER_08: I'm not fighting you just to put it.
1:50:30
SPEAKER_08: But you think you're not rip upon you.
1:50:32
SPEAKER_08: They said rip my fight.
1:50:34
SPEAKER_08: No, I agree with him.
1:50:35
SPEAKER_08: It's a fight.
1:50:40
SPEAKER_02: It's a fight.
1:50:40
SPEAKER_02: It's a fight.
1:50:41
SPEAKER_08: That's why I want you to be anything.
1:50:44
SPEAKER_10: I I say abuse is when it's actually physical problem.
1:50:49
SPEAKER_10: Like if you have a bruise, no, no, no, no.
1:50:51
SPEAKER_08: See, the bruising thing, you can't the bruising thing is hard to distinguish.
1:50:54
SPEAKER_08: Because what I'm saying, it's abuse when, alright, you close fists, alright, even though I disagree on the close fist.
1:51:00
SPEAKER_08: You close fist and bow.
1:51:01
SPEAKER_08: Alright, he says something.
1:51:02
SPEAKER_08: Like you said, at minor energy, you didn't hit him full through.
1:51:05
SPEAKER_08: You didn't throw your shoulder back into it.
1:51:07
SPEAKER_08: Alright, that was just reprimanding.
1:51:09
SPEAKER_08: Okay, I see that.
1:51:10
SPEAKER_08: But for those people who sit there and punch that child repeatedly in their face seven fucking times, that's abuse.
1:51:16
SPEAKER_08: Okay, still a big thing.
1:51:19
SPEAKER_08: That's why we're trying to have this discussion.
1:51:21
SPEAKER_10: But that's what I'm saying.
1:51:22
SPEAKER_10: That's why I draw the line.
1:51:23
SPEAKER_06: If I'm gonna get a big thing, because then if the kid is trying to get seven times, then if the kid is trying to defend himself and then then it gets three beated.
1:51:30
SPEAKER_08: Even if it's three, that shit right there is that that should not happen.
1:51:34
SPEAKER_08: Because now you're putting him socially in a different place in his mind.
1:51:37
SPEAKER_08: Now maybe he's gonna flinch at another person or put himself in a smaller place because he doesn't want to get that aggression out by a person across the room.
1:51:45
SPEAKER_08: Alright, so if you get if you get your ass beat by a belt to the point that it's hard to say, that's why I think certain complexions act a certain uh the way that they do in society, because they didn't get the reprimanding that we got.
1:51:57
SPEAKER_08: They didn't get the physical abuse, they never got punched in that face.
1:52:00
SPEAKER_08: I just think certain things didn't deserve that.
1:52:02
SPEAKER_06: I feel like certain actions didn't deserve.
1:52:05
SPEAKER_08: That's what I'm saying.
1:52:06
SPEAKER_08: That's why that's why I'm gonna be able to do that.
1:52:07
SPEAKER_08: And now you're wrong because you reprimanded him and you gave him a dose of what you're doing.
1:52:11
SPEAKER_10: That's what I'm saying.
1:52:11
SPEAKER_10: That's why I don't see it as abuse, because it humbles you.
1:52:15
SPEAKER_10: No, a punch in the face is not a humbling.
1:52:17
SPEAKER_10: It humbles you because you knew for a fact, you knew for a fact if you let's say it could be some shit that you smack your sister or whatever.
1:52:24
SPEAKER_10: And you knew for a fact you're gonna get jabbed.
1:52:26
SPEAKER_10: What are you not gonna do?
1:52:27
SPEAKER_10: You're not gonna smack your sister.
1:52:28
SPEAKER_10: You're gonna learn not to hit women.
1:52:29
SPEAKER_10: Right.
1:52:30
SPEAKER_10: All right.
1:52:30
SPEAKER_10: No, I'm not gonna smack it.
1:52:31
SPEAKER_06: But some people it can be the opposite, because they think violence is okay.
1:52:34
SPEAKER_06: Oh, that's the answer now.
1:52:35
SPEAKER_06: I'm gonna go punch my face.
1:52:37
SPEAKER_06: Like with some bullies like Are y'all gonna let me speak?
1:52:41
SPEAKER_06: Cause y'all been talking for a real long time.
1:52:43
SPEAKER_09: Oh shit.
1:52:44
SPEAKER_06: Okay, thank you.
1:52:45
SPEAKER_06: Because this was my topic.
1:52:48
SPEAKER_01: It actually was.
1:52:48
SPEAKER_06: Thank you.
1:52:50
SPEAKER_06: No, so what I'm saying in terms of the violence, like some kids, like let's say like they have trouble at home where their dads are beating them, like let's say they're they're a male.
1:52:57
SPEAKER_06: Um, but then they might go to school and bully some other kid.
1:53:00
SPEAKER_06: So not it doesn't humble everybody.
1:53:03
SPEAKER_06: Like it can have different consequences.
1:53:06
SPEAKER_06: Because some people might think like violence is okay, or like again, they're just gonna take that embarrassment and aggression because they couldn't fight back with their father and you know, and put it on some empathy.
1:53:15
SPEAKER_08: The nigga hit at a certain bike.
1:53:17
SPEAKER_08: It's just like and but I think like trying to say that violence does not work, it's just not the answer to to develop a wholesome person.
1:53:26
SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
1:53:27
SPEAKER_08: I just think certain things don't warrant anything.
1:53:28
SPEAKER_08: Violence teaches us.
1:53:29
SPEAKER_08: Don't warrant that violence.
1:53:31
SPEAKER_08: Violence is the way sometimes we teach animals to learn our language.
1:53:34
SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
1:53:34
SPEAKER_08: Not saying that the education is a pass and it doesn't work.
1:53:37
SPEAKER_10: Is that abuse?
1:53:38
SPEAKER_08: Yes, it is, because there's other ways.
1:53:39
SPEAKER_08: Violence isn't the answer to everything.
1:53:42
SPEAKER_10: Okay, so if if you're training your dog, right?
1:53:45
SPEAKER_10: Your dog piss or shit on the floor, you flick its nose, is that abuse?
1:53:49
SPEAKER_08: So I'm straining away from the answer.
1:53:50
SPEAKER_08: I'm just saying I don't I'm not saying that violence is does isn't effective, but it's not the way to develop in a wholesome person.
1:53:58
SPEAKER_10: No, I'm just asking, is that abuse?
1:53:59
SPEAKER_10: If you flick the dog in its nose.
1:54:00
SPEAKER_10: I don't think that's a good thing.
1:54:01
SPEAKER_10: That's a form, that's a form of pain, and everybody knows the dog's nose is a very sore spot.
1:54:06
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, but I didn't kick him in the nuts.
1:54:08
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:54:08
SPEAKER_10: You get what I'm saying?
1:54:09
SPEAKER_10: It's different.
1:54:10
SPEAKER_10: So there's a limit.
1:54:10
SPEAKER_08: Of course, it's a limit.
1:54:12
SPEAKER_08: That's what I said.
1:54:12
SPEAKER_08: One is that's why I said discipline.
1:54:14
SPEAKER_08: Discipline.
1:54:19
SPEAKER_08: But now if I kicked you in the nuts as a joke, that's not a fucking joke in our circle of friendship.
1:54:24
SPEAKER_08: No, white niggas joke like that.
1:54:26
SPEAKER_08: That's why circle of friendship.
1:54:28
SPEAKER_08: Odyssey motherfucker.
1:54:29
SPEAKER_08: Cup check, boom.
1:54:30
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, no, so you don't play with me like that.
1:54:32
SPEAKER_06: Chubbs, that's why I was saying, like, there's a like there's a line between what is discipline and what is child abuse.
1:54:37
SPEAKER_10: So what do you consider discipline?
1:54:39
SPEAKER_06: So, like, for me, like, I say you can slap, you can slap the kids.
1:54:43
SPEAKER_06: Like, whatever.
1:54:44
SPEAKER_06: That's not that serious.
1:54:44
SPEAKER_06: But like, again, once you start like punching them and like kicking them or like pushing them against walls, that's when it gets a little beautiful.
1:54:52
SPEAKER_06: So Cause mind you, like, my mom did, you know, like, mind you, it's four, it's four girls, so it's a lot to handle by herself.
1:55:00
SPEAKER_06: But I don't hold anything against her now, you know, because we tried, like, especially growing up, as like when we were high school, like we were very good students, blah blah blah.
1:55:09
SPEAKER_06: But as kids, like, we were freaking mad hyper too, where we all had to go to therapy together and all that crap.
1:55:14
SPEAKER_08: Your mom is a soldier, but I can't.
1:55:16
SPEAKER_06: You know, sometimes I didn't appreciate like that she always just went to hitting.
1:55:21
SPEAKER_02: Like that was her first.
1:55:22
SPEAKER_02: She was probably tall.
1:55:23
SPEAKER_06: Like, it just seemed very aggressive.
1:55:25
SPEAKER_06: Mind you, she's the she had a she has a heavy hand.
1:55:28
SPEAKER_02: What do you guys think about it?
1:55:29
SPEAKER_02: And we were skinny.
1:55:30
SPEAKER_06: What?
1:55:31
SPEAKER_02: Grades.
1:55:31
SPEAKER_02: Grades?
1:55:32
SPEAKER_02: Grades?
1:55:32
SPEAKER_02: I don't think.
1:55:33
SPEAKER_02: We always had good grades.
1:55:34
SPEAKER_02: No, but like, are you should you not be able to beat your kid for grades?
1:55:36
SPEAKER_10: It it it's it also comes down to now.
1:55:40
SPEAKER_06: But I feel like the kids should the parents should monitor that throughout.
1:55:44
SPEAKER_06: Like, don't be surprised if this kid gets an F if you're not seeing any of their tests throughout the year or checking in on them.
1:55:50
SPEAKER_10: I work three jobs.
1:55:51
SPEAKER_10: I don't have time to do that.
1:55:52
SPEAKER_10: I I'll be honest with you.
1:55:54
SPEAKER_10: That's right.
1:55:55
SPEAKER_10: Like me.
1:55:55
SPEAKER_06: Still, exactly, because you're not taking the time to spend on your child, which is important.
1:56:01
SPEAKER_08: Like me.
1:56:01
SPEAKER_06: You can't you can't forget about them.
1:56:03
SPEAKER_06: Okay, in my own.
1:56:04
SPEAKER_06: No, no, no.
1:56:04
SPEAKER_08: You can't fully blame them for everything on that part.
1:56:07
SPEAKER_08: You have to pick your battles.
1:56:08
SPEAKER_08: Okay, like look, like in my situation, you shouldn't be allowed to beat them for grades.
1:56:11
SPEAKER_08: You have to pick your battles.
1:56:12
SPEAKER_08: If you think it's gonna work real quick, you know, one time, yeah.
1:56:15
SPEAKER_08: I'm gonna show you how I used to outsmart.
1:56:17
SPEAKER_06: I just think you just don't, like, you know what I'm saying?
1:56:18
SPEAKER_06: Like you can slap or whatever.
1:56:20
SPEAKER_10: Like grades?
1:56:21
SPEAKER_10: I'm gonna show you how I used to outsmart my parents until parent teacher night came.
1:56:25
SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
1:56:25
SPEAKER_10: They'll be like, oh, let me see your homework.
1:56:27
SPEAKER_10: I'll show them the classwork that I fucking did.
1:56:29
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
1:56:29
SPEAKER_10: You get what I'm saying?
1:56:30
SPEAKER_10: And it would look like I did homework.
1:56:32
SPEAKER_10: Because it had our date, whatever the case may be.
1:56:34
SPEAKER_10: They didn't know when I did it because they came home from work.
1:56:36
SPEAKER_02: Maybe your parents didn't go to school?
1:56:38
SPEAKER_02: Classwork don't look shit like homework.
1:56:40
SPEAKER_02: But you gotta remember.
1:56:42
SPEAKER_10: That's what I hate.
1:56:43
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, classwork mad easier than you think.
1:56:45
SPEAKER_10: Shit they give you like what's going on.
1:56:47
SPEAKER_10: From the Caribbean school.
1:56:49
SPEAKER_10: Which is hard as well.
1:56:49
SPEAKER_10: Where it's like they're learning, they're learning, like he said, up to 15, like first, second grade.
1:56:55
SPEAKER_10: So if I'm showing her in, let's say third grade, that I'm doing the five times tables or whatever case, she's thinking, okay, that's what I did, even though it's easy, but she doesn't know what to do.
1:57:04
SPEAKER_02: So you're telling me you didn't have a heading in in school?
1:57:07
SPEAKER_02: What do you mean?
1:57:08
SPEAKER_10: Nigga, I never used to write the whole do now and all that shit.
1:57:10
SPEAKER_10: But you know, you had a date.
1:57:12
SPEAKER_10: Like they had a dates.
1:57:13
SPEAKER_10: All I used to do was write my name, a date, and that's it.
1:57:15
SPEAKER_10: My parents wasn't paying attention.
1:57:17
SPEAKER_10: That's the problem.
1:57:17
SPEAKER_10: You know what I'm saying?
1:57:18
SPEAKER_10: But I don't blame you.
1:57:19
SPEAKER_06: So that's what I'm saying.
1:57:20
SPEAKER_06: Don't blame the kids if you're not really keeping up with them.
1:57:22
SPEAKER_10: I don't, that's what I'm saying.
1:57:23
SPEAKER_10: Like, I used to get B if a grade.
1:57:25
SPEAKER_10: Because that's on YouTube.
1:57:26
SPEAKER_10: That was on me.
1:57:27
SPEAKER_10: Did it work?
1:57:27
SPEAKER_10: What?
1:57:28
SPEAKER_10: Did you do better?
1:57:29
SPEAKER_10: No.
1:57:30
SPEAKER_10: I'm gonna keep it a buck to a certain point.
1:57:33
SPEAKER_10: I would say maybe like from like third to maybe like sixth, and I just stopped giving a fuck.
1:57:37
SPEAKER_10: Why?
1:57:38
SPEAKER_10: That's how you give it a fucking fucking fucking.
1:57:38
SPEAKER_10: Because I got to that age where it's like I was big in it, like I was big, like body size, so it's like when my father would hit me, I'll try to go toe to toe.
1:57:47
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, I'll get fucked up, but I'll just try to show him like I didn't I wasn't scared.
1:57:51
SPEAKER_10: You were the son that get shot while I sleep.
1:57:54
SPEAKER_02: That's how discipline.
1:57:57
SPEAKER_02: If he were just make it uh, yo, I'm gonna speak to you as a person.
1:58:01
SPEAKER_02: No, I'm gonna lie, he's not no I'm not saying no, but this is not acceptable here.
1:58:06
SPEAKER_02: As opposed to, oh, when he gets to a certain size and he can beat me now or he can challenge me and you feel like you can challenge him, now the discipline doesn't work.
1:58:15
SPEAKER_02: So there's no it was no hierarchy.
1:58:17
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
1:58:17
SPEAKER_06: But what I'm saying, like it didn't do its job.
1:58:21
SPEAKER_06: It didn't do its job.
1:58:22
SPEAKER_10: The way it always came in my situation, they'll talk to me.
1:58:24
SPEAKER_10: They'll tell me, yo, this is not what we want for you, you want better.
1:58:27
SPEAKER_10: But I just never gave a fuck.
1:58:28
SPEAKER_10: But I so you have to understand why you don't give a fuck.
1:58:31
SPEAKER_08: That's the question right there.
1:58:32
SPEAKER_10: Why did I not give a fuck?
1:58:33
SPEAKER_10: Is simple.
1:58:34
SPEAKER_10: Like, especially the first time I went to summer school, nigga, I went there for let's say three hours, chilled with my friends, did bullshit, did bullshit homework, got a free MetroCard, got a free meal.
1:58:45
SPEAKER_02: How did you even get to the summer school part?
1:58:47
SPEAKER_08: So get back to the point.
1:58:48
SPEAKER_08: The point is if abuse works, yes.
1:58:52
SPEAKER_08: Or did it not?
1:58:53
SPEAKER_06: And it didn't.
1:58:54
SPEAKER_06: It didn't.
1:58:54
SPEAKER_06: In that situation, definitely worked.
1:58:55
SPEAKER_06: All right, so that's it.
1:58:56
SPEAKER_06: No, no, no, no, no.
1:58:56
SPEAKER_06: You can't say nothing worse than that.
1:58:59
SPEAKER_08: Exactly.
1:58:59
SPEAKER_08: Because that's what they identified.
1:59:01
SPEAKER_08: Is your child capable of the of uh doing the curriculum or is he incapable when he also applies himself?
1:59:08
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
1:59:08
SPEAKER_06: Like do you need exactly like did you need extra help?
1:59:11
SPEAKER_06: I didn't need extra help.
1:59:12
SPEAKER_06: How do you know that?
1:59:14
SPEAKER_10: You could ask any of my teachers to do that.
1:59:17
SPEAKER_10: If I came into the class and it was a day that I felt like doing shit, I would max everything out.
1:59:21
SPEAKER_10: Everything would be good.
1:59:22
SPEAKER_10: I'll have 90s everything.
1:59:23
SPEAKER_10: But there would just be days where I'm like, yo, fuck this.
1:59:25
SPEAKER_10: But then you have to identify why it's exactly what's the problem.
1:59:29
SPEAKER_02: Fuck this.
1:59:29
SPEAKER_10: That's the problem.
1:59:30
SPEAKER_10: Really and truly, I'm gonna keep it, I'm gonna keep it a stack.
1:59:33
SPEAKER_10: When I went to even high school, it was just like, nigga, all I want to do is bullshit.
1:59:37
SPEAKER_10: I didn't want to sit there.
1:59:39
SPEAKER_02: Because I'm getting tired of learning bullshit, Matt.
1:59:41
SPEAKER_02: That's not gonna apply enough for you.
1:59:42
SPEAKER_02: Hey, so as a parent, you must identify that.
1:59:45
SPEAKER_02: And what's gonna change?
1:59:46
SPEAKER_02: And you see.
1:59:46
SPEAKER_08: And you exactly identify that you are learning something.
1:59:50
SPEAKER_08: You're learning how to conform in society and get ahead.
1:59:53
SPEAKER_08: Finish something, get a grade for it, and then move on.
1:59:56
SPEAKER_08: That's what you're learning.
1:59:57
SPEAKER_08: It's not per se the curriculum, although it should be.
2:00:01
SPEAKER_02: You're displaying your ability to retain information and regurgitate it.
2:00:04
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
2:00:04
SPEAKER_02: That's how I would describe it.
2:00:06
SPEAKER_10: So if I'm getting 90s and a hundreds and a tenths, what would you say?
2:00:10
SPEAKER_10: But I'm just the type, I ain't doing no fucking homework.
2:00:13
SPEAKER_08: No, that's not getting 90s and hundreds if you're not doing home.
2:00:17
SPEAKER_10: Like every test, I'll have nineties and a hundred.
2:00:19
SPEAKER_10: But when it came to because me, I'm the type of kid, I don't believe I should get fucking homework.
2:00:24
SPEAKER_10: I did this shit in class, I took a test, my package, why the fuck am I getting home skills?
2:00:27
SPEAKER_08: Yo, I agree with him, and I was just trying to, like, like you say, gauge the room.
2:00:31
SPEAKER_08: I wanted to see where you're coming from.
2:00:33
SPEAKER_08: Because the answer for me is why I wasn't doing well in class, is because I didn't feel like doing the homework, and I didn't feel like doing um whatever the hell so they a they asked.
2:00:42
SPEAKER_08: Like the packet during the summer, but when that test came, I know I got a hundred on it because it'll allow me to get an eighty at the end of the grade.
2:00:49
SPEAKER_02: Okay, then I'll if if my kid is like that, I'll be like, okay, are you okay with going to a school that you could have excelled if you did two homeworks a a week?
2:01:00
SPEAKER_02: Like your grade, your classwork affects what school you can now get into.
2:01:04
SPEAKER_02: Because a B is gonna get you into the B schools.
2:01:06
SPEAKER_02: If you want to go to a B school, what do you want to study in life?
2:01:08
SPEAKER_02: Like you gotta figure out what your kid wants to be able to do.
2:01:10
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
2:01:10
SPEAKER_06: They have to they have to draw that map, that map out of your life.
2:01:14
SPEAKER_10: Like how it how it affects he knew I want to go into his field.
2:01:17
SPEAKER_10: And with that, you don't need really like college and all that.
2:01:21
SPEAKER_10: No, yes, you do because to go to a trade show.
2:01:23
SPEAKER_10: Hold on, hold on.
2:01:24
SPEAKER_02: If you wanted to be a owner of something, you gotta bring certain certificates to these people for them to allow you to be.
2:01:30
SPEAKER_02: Yo, you want to do it.
2:01:32
SPEAKER_08: That's now a different dynamic.
2:01:33
SPEAKER_08: Now that's that's how are the child or the parents raising us to gear us up and to have us ready for society.
2:01:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but see, I'm talking about from my perspective.
2:01:40
SPEAKER_02: If I was your father per se, and you said, Dad, I want to do what you do, I'll be like, how about you do better than I do, son?
2:01:45
SPEAKER_02: How about you own the company I work for?
2:01:46
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
2:01:47
SPEAKER_02: And to do that, you gotta get this.
2:01:49
SPEAKER_02: Right.
2:01:49
SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
2:01:50
SPEAKER_02: I see what you're saying.
2:01:51
SPEAKER_02: And that's it.
2:01:51
SPEAKER_02: Instead of just hey, I'm gonna be upside the head.
2:01:53
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
2:01:54
SPEAKER_02: You don't want to do your homework until there's a point that my kid is six three and I'm only six feet, and he's slapping me upside my head now.
2:02:00
SPEAKER_02: Now I have a problem because this the discipline shit don't work.
2:02:03
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
2:02:03
SPEAKER_06: Because he has You're not getting at the root cause.
2:02:06
unknown: Listen.
2:02:06
SPEAKER_06: You're just trying to like it.
2:02:09
SPEAKER_02: You need discipline, like physical discipline.
2:02:11
SPEAKER_10: No, definitely.
2:02:12
SPEAKER_10: I definitely what kills me is when I see these kids walk down into stores and they're carrying around like animals.
2:02:20
SPEAKER_10: And their mother just, come on, Billy, or come on, John, let's go.
2:02:25
SPEAKER_10: Stop it.
2:02:26
SPEAKER_02: No, pop that nigga, let him learn.
2:02:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but some of those kids, you gotta gauge them.
2:02:31
SPEAKER_02: Some of those kids, you pop them and be like, okay, mom, I'm gonna piss on your bed when you when you before you go to sleep.
2:02:35
SPEAKER_02: Hey, you're gonna get popped again.
2:02:36
SPEAKER_02: And he don't give a fuck.
2:02:37
SPEAKER_02: As long as he got to piss on your bed, he's cool.
2:02:39
SPEAKER_02: Okay, and then when you take that tit for tat.
2:02:41
SPEAKER_02: Okay until he's 27.
2:02:42
SPEAKER_02: Exactly with a grin like this.
2:02:44
SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, he's a cop now, and he's doing the same shit to the civilians.
2:02:47
SPEAKER_02: That's how this shit works.
2:02:48
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna wait until I clock out, motherfucker.
2:02:49
SPEAKER_02: I know.
2:02:50
SPEAKER_02: I know where you live at.
2:02:51
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna set a couple of boys.
2:02:52
SPEAKER_06: Some people don't like to address the actual issues of the child.
2:02:55
SPEAKER_02: Every kid is not the same.
2:02:56
SPEAKER_02: You might have three kids, one kid needs a discipline, one kid you could talk to, and one kid is no matter what you do as a parent, he's just a fucked up individual.
2:03:03
SPEAKER_02: What you gotta do is you gotta do your best as a brother.
2:03:06
SPEAKER_02: That's why I find out that's why I feel like it can't help.
2:03:08
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
2:03:09
SPEAKER_02: Because that's what I'm saying.
2:03:10
SPEAKER_02: Some kids need that help.
2:03:11
SPEAKER_02: Because the ego is a parent, sometimes you think you know best, and my kid don't need this, my kid don't need that.
2:03:16
SPEAKER_02: You put this kid in a program and he's with a fucking marine every day, and he realizes, oh shit, I needed this.
2:03:21
SPEAKER_02: And then that's it.
2:03:22
SPEAKER_02: You saved your kid's life from being a gangbanger because all he needed was discipline.
2:03:26
SPEAKER_02: Like I feel sorry for single moms who don't have a male figure in the home.
2:03:29
SPEAKER_02: It's really tough.
2:03:30
SPEAKER_02: The same thing for a man raising a raising a daughter, he might be too hard on the girl.
2:03:34
SPEAKER_02: She turns out she's on a pole now because he didn't give her the proper things.
2:03:37
SPEAKER_02: And we have egos as parents sometimes.
2:03:39
SPEAKER_02: And we gotta check strapping on the poll out.
2:03:41
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
2:03:42
SPEAKER_02: You gotta check yourself.
2:03:45
SPEAKER_08: Because you've now disgusted her for the male race.
2:03:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so you know, we gotta be more you know attentive when we raise our children.
2:03:51
SPEAKER_08: No, that shit happens.
2:03:52
SPEAKER_08: There's a lot of fathers out here that uh women from the male race.
2:03:58
SPEAKER_02: Uh you don't think it's environmental?
2:04:00
SPEAKER_02: Nah, that's he just gave you how it was environmental.
2:04:02
SPEAKER_10: Nah.
2:04:02
SPEAKER_10: I think let me not say that on this podcast.
2:04:05
SPEAKER_10: No, we're trying to get worse than that.
2:04:08
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, no, no, you you brought that up before.
2:04:10
SPEAKER_08: What was the next topic about?
2:04:11
SPEAKER_02: Oh, the the next topic is about cheating.
2:04:13
SPEAKER_02: Oh.
2:04:14
SPEAKER_02: And I I wanted to hear a woman's perspective on cheating.
2:04:17
SPEAKER_08: I'm gonna go get some chips.
2:04:18
SPEAKER_02: Okay, you can go do that and then we'll have this uh conversation.
2:04:21
SPEAKER_02: So I think the exact quote was let me find this uh this topic real fast.
2:04:28
SPEAKER_02: Would you forgive a partner that cheated on you?
2:04:31
SPEAKER_02: How do you view people that stay?
2:04:32
SPEAKER_02: And do you think it's pathetic or more so that they are honoring their vows?
2:04:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm gonna go.
2:04:37
SPEAKER_03: So that's for the couples that are married.
2:04:39
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
2:04:39
SPEAKER_02: Let's start from the beginning.
2:04:40
SPEAKER_02: We're gonna start from the beginning.
2:04:41
SPEAKER_02: What is cheating?
2:04:43
SPEAKER_02: The most basic definition of cheating.
2:04:47
SPEAKER_08: Going against an agreement that you have with your significant other.
2:04:50
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
2:04:51
SPEAKER_02: So if you have an agreement that if you as long as you are not fucking anybody, which is just vaginal penetration, that's not cheating.
2:04:58
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna be upset if you go out and kiss a girl, I'm gonna be upset.
2:05:01
SPEAKER_02: If you get a hand job, I'm gonna be upset if you get a blow job.
2:05:04
SPEAKER_02: But until you penetrate, that's cheating.
2:05:06
SPEAKER_02: So if you go out the next day and you kiss a girl in the mouth, then you cheat.
2:05:10
SPEAKER_02: By that definition.
2:05:12
SPEAKER_02: No.
2:05:13
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
2:05:13
SPEAKER_02: It's cheating.
2:05:14
SPEAKER_02: She'll just be upset.
2:05:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:05:17
SPEAKER_02: I agree with your definition.
2:05:18
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I definitely you do need to decide.
2:05:20
SPEAKER_06: Because you don't know everybody's household.
2:05:21
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
2:05:23
SPEAKER_02: So specifically, what is cheating to you?
2:05:25
SPEAKER_02: Because you're just the only woman in the room, not to single you out.
2:05:27
SPEAKER_06: So I guess like if you're in an you agree to be an exclusive relationship with that person, right?
2:05:33
SPEAKER_06: So they're gonna be the only person that you're gonna have sex with.
2:05:36
SPEAKER_06: Again, you can I don't you can have your own agreements, but most of the time it's like you can't fuck or get a blowjob or get a hand job or anything.
2:05:43
SPEAKER_06: What about kissing?
2:05:43
SPEAKER_02: Is that cheating?
2:05:44
SPEAKER_06: No kissing, yes, no kissing either.
2:05:46
SPEAKER_06: What about dancing?
2:05:47
SPEAKER_02: What about dancing at a club?
2:05:49
SPEAKER_06: Dancing.
2:05:51
SPEAKER_08: She's suspending because this is a hard one for her to answer.
2:05:54
SPEAKER_02: I have the same problem with my girl all the time.
2:05:55
SPEAKER_06: I'd say, I'd say no.
2:05:56
SPEAKER_06: No dance.
2:05:59
SPEAKER_06: If you agreed, if she tells you you can't and you do it.
2:06:03
SPEAKER_02: I'm asking you right now, is that cheating?
2:06:04
SPEAKER_02: Or is that just something you're gonna get upset at?
2:06:06
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I think it's more of upset.
2:06:08
SPEAKER_06: Okay, but that's not cheating.
2:06:09
SPEAKER_06: I don't think it'd be cheating.
2:06:10
SPEAKER_06: Because it's a dance is a dance.
2:06:12
SPEAKER_06: You didn't fucking.
2:06:12
SPEAKER_10: Does it matter what form of dancing?
2:06:15
SPEAKER_06: Um, yes.
2:06:16
SPEAKER_06: The form matters.
2:06:17
SPEAKER_06: Like obviously, if you dance salsa bachata, that's not really cheating.
2:06:21
SPEAKER_02: Oh, well, those dances are more intimate.
2:06:24
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
2:06:26
SPEAKER_06: No, but I'm saying that's not for me, I wouldn't be upset at that.
2:06:29
SPEAKER_06: But like if you No, there's some there's some dances where your ass is literally just on his dick the entire time.
2:06:36
SPEAKER_06: I understand those, I understand those other dances are more intimate, but it's not the same left.
2:06:42
SPEAKER_10: But you would rather him dance with chata and have his hand on her lower back and while her vag is basically on his thigh.
2:06:50
SPEAKER_06: It's not like that all the time.
2:06:51
SPEAKER_06: Some people can dance with more space in between them.
2:06:54
SPEAKER_08: You don't do it.
2:06:55
SPEAKER_08: I'm not nice with it.
2:06:56
SPEAKER_08: The Sasaubachata.
2:06:58
SPEAKER_09: Nah, I ain't gonna lie.
2:06:58
SPEAKER_09: You don't have to dance like that though.
2:07:01
SPEAKER_08: You don't always like grinding, but it's not.
2:07:03
SPEAKER_08: It's just harmony.
2:07:04
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, it doesn't matter.
2:07:05
SPEAKER_08: To me, those dances are more than a few minutes.
2:07:09
SPEAKER_08: Because I can dance with more sexual than out of anything.
2:07:13
SPEAKER_08: But if you actually so if I dance with her mom, we're gonna still have the same flow as each other.
2:07:18
SPEAKER_08: But your space is different.
2:07:20
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, I'm saying exactly the hands are definitely placing just same places.
2:07:25
SPEAKER_08: Yes, with the the pinky right at the top of the yeah, I get you, at the lower bottom.
2:07:29
SPEAKER_08: But you can also move top or bottom.
2:07:30
SPEAKER_06: Just you can move on.
2:07:31
SPEAKER_06: I think that too.
2:07:32
SPEAKER_06: Because you can see older couples dancing and they're not on top of each other.
2:07:35
SPEAKER_08: But when you have a dog dancing those dances, they can definitely get away with a lot of moves.
2:07:41
SPEAKER_02: I'm telling you guys to me, I would rather my girl be dubbing in a club than dancing at bachata maringa.
2:07:47
SPEAKER_10: She was like, She's not even looking at the nigga.
2:07:49
SPEAKER_02: She don't know who he is.
2:07:50
SPEAKER_02: They don't need it.
2:07:51
SPEAKER_02: They would never see each other again.
2:07:52
SPEAKER_02: But if I'm dancing with a girl face to face, I know she looked like intimate interaction.
2:07:56
SPEAKER_02: If I see her on Instagram, I know that was her.
2:07:59
SPEAKER_02: Y'all smiling and dancing and swerving.
2:08:01
SPEAKER_02: I have this argument with my girl all the time.
2:08:03
SPEAKER_02: I think it's just a cultural difference.
2:08:04
SPEAKER_02: I've been dancing like that with over.
2:08:06
SPEAKER_02: We don't do the pachata merengue shit in our culture.
2:08:08
SPEAKER_02: When when reggae music and soaker music come on, I dance with my cousins like that.
2:08:11
SPEAKER_02: You go to carnival, it's just regular dancing.
2:08:13
SPEAKER_02: That's just our dance.
2:08:14
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, no, I never dance with my cousins like that.
2:08:16
SPEAKER_02: So it's not sexual, it's just my household.
2:08:18
SPEAKER_02: That was that wasn't sexual for us.
2:08:20
SPEAKER_02: But to me, when I see the merengue, the bachata, to me, I'm like, that's more intimate.
2:08:26
SPEAKER_02: Even if it's not sexual, it's intimate though.
2:08:28
SPEAKER_02: Because it was declared.
2:08:29
SPEAKER_08: I understand it's more intimate.
2:08:31
SPEAKER_08: What you're used to seeing is more comfortable.
2:08:33
SPEAKER_08: That's your norm.
2:08:35
SPEAKER_06: But I guess it's the same argument.
2:08:36
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, she can't even fit.
2:08:37
SPEAKER_02: No, but I think it's it's not the same argument.
2:08:39
SPEAKER_02: It is.
2:08:40
SPEAKER_02: I can't.
2:08:40
SPEAKER_06: Because you weren't brought up in that culture, so again, we don't see it as a sexual thing.
2:08:44
SPEAKER_02: No, I didn't say sexual, it's intimate.
2:08:46
SPEAKER_06: It is intimate.
2:08:47
SPEAKER_06: Yes, you're facing the person.
2:08:48
SPEAKER_02: But if it's not intimate, would you ever use the word intimate?
2:08:51
SPEAKER_02: You could call it.
2:08:52
SPEAKER_02: Hello, you know what's intimate.
2:08:54
SPEAKER_03: You think it's like on her face.
2:08:56
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but you know it's intimate.
2:08:57
SPEAKER_03: You know what's her in.
2:08:58
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
2:09:00
SPEAKER_02: It doesn't matter.
2:09:00
SPEAKER_02: It's like pick it hard.
2:09:02
SPEAKER_02: And guys can get hard.
2:09:04
SPEAKER_02: It's cool.
2:09:04
SPEAKER_02: You could call it all of that, but it's not a good thing.
2:09:06
SPEAKER_02: But guys think it's hard while your girl's dubbing.
2:09:08
SPEAKER_02: Intimate, but would you call it intimate?
2:09:09
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
2:09:10
SPEAKER_02: No, I would call it intimate.
2:09:13
SPEAKER_04: I would call it both.
2:09:14
SPEAKER_04: I'd call it both.
2:09:17
SPEAKER_06: That's not intimate at all.
2:09:18
SPEAKER_06: Because I think it's intimate just because of how close you are and what is touching.
2:09:22
SPEAKER_06: Okay, but you all agree that's not cheating, though.
2:09:24
SPEAKER_06: No, yeah, I don't consider cheating.
2:09:26
SPEAKER_06: Okay, all right.
2:09:26
SPEAKER_06: I don't consider cheating.
2:09:27
SPEAKER_10: So Okay, so hold on, hold on.
2:09:29
SPEAKER_10: Because I want to propose the question that we propose when I asked all of us about getting around getting around cheating.
2:09:35
SPEAKER_10: Uh-huh.
2:09:36
SPEAKER_10: So you said around us.
2:09:37
SPEAKER_10: You said you said cheating is basically fucking whatever the kill is.
2:09:43
SPEAKER_06: I would say fucking handjob.
2:09:44
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
2:09:46
SPEAKER_06: That's why that's the thing.
2:09:47
SPEAKER_06: People need to have those discussions with their significant other.
2:09:50
SPEAKER_06: Because if you don't have the discussions, then that's when some men can take advantage.
2:09:55
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
2:09:55
SPEAKER_06: So I said no, no, no fucking, no hand job, no blowjob, no kissing.
2:10:00
SPEAKER_10: Okay.
2:10:01
SPEAKER_10: What if you found out he he he didn't touch her?
2:10:03
SPEAKER_10: He didn't do anything.
2:10:04
SPEAKER_10: All he did was use a dildo to please her.
2:10:07
SPEAKER_10: Is that cheating?
2:10:09
SPEAKER_10: He didn't touch her.
2:10:10
SPEAKER_10: He didn't do nothing.
2:10:11
SPEAKER_10: He didn't get off, nothing.
2:10:12
SPEAKER_10: All he did was go to her quick.
2:10:13
SPEAKER_10: All he did was go to her quick, took a dildo, whack, whent, whack, she got off, left.
2:10:17
SPEAKER_10: Is that cheating?
2:10:18
SPEAKER_10: Yes.
2:10:19
SPEAKER_10: How?
2:10:19
SPEAKER_10: How?
2:10:20
SPEAKER_10: By your definition is cheating.
2:10:21
SPEAKER_10: By your definition, it's not cheating.
2:10:23
SPEAKER_10: Because you guys are thinking another option.
2:10:27
SPEAKER_03: But that's what I'm saying.
2:10:31
SPEAKER_08: Oh, you stupid type.
2:10:33
SPEAKER_08: Exactly like you're not going to be able to do that.
2:10:35
SPEAKER_08: Why?
2:10:36
SPEAKER_08: Look.
2:10:36
SPEAKER_08: So basically just saying that if he she went over to somebody else's house with a fleshlight, jacked him off with the flesh job.
2:10:42
SPEAKER_02: No, but you said you said but you told her she couldn't give out handjobs.
2:10:46
SPEAKER_02: That's a handjob.
2:10:46
SPEAKER_06: The whole, listen, the whole thing.
2:10:49
SPEAKER_06: That's not a handjob.
2:10:50
SPEAKER_06: But he doesn't have to do that.
2:10:50
SPEAKER_10: No, no, no.
2:10:51
SPEAKER_10: You're not giving Shody a head job.
2:10:53
SPEAKER_08: If she's the fleshlight, she has to move the fleshlight for him.
2:10:56
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, but they have to move the dildo for her.
2:11:00
SPEAKER_02: Okay, but she never said you couldn't uh give a hand.
2:11:05
SPEAKER_02: Get a hand that's a good thing.
2:11:06
SPEAKER_02: Okay, okay.
2:11:07
SPEAKER_05: See if you're not gonna be a good one.
2:11:09
SPEAKER_05: Hold on.
2:11:10
SPEAKER_05: This is the A, exactly.
2:11:12
SPEAKER_06: These are some ancient niggas radicalizations right now.
2:11:15
SPEAKER_06: That's fine.
2:11:16
SPEAKER_06: Because the whole point is you're only supposed to be fucking with her.
2:11:20
SPEAKER_06: If the whole thing you're trying to be like, oh, that's technically wasn't.
2:11:23
SPEAKER_06: That's still cheating because you know in your head, you know in your head you should have that she's gonna be upset.
2:11:30
SPEAKER_06: You know in your head she's gonna be upset about that.
2:11:32
SPEAKER_06: You don't you don't you know she's not gonna be happy about what you did.
2:11:35
SPEAKER_06: No, no, no, no.
2:11:36
SPEAKER_06: So why are you trying to why are you trying to get a loophole if the whole thing you're only supposed to be fucking with her, if you love her?
2:11:47
SPEAKER_06: So I'm shooting.
2:11:48
SPEAKER_06: But the whole thing is you're not supposed to be fucking with anybody else but her.
2:11:51
SPEAKER_06: No, no, I got a question.
2:11:52
SPEAKER_06: In any sense, in any sense, sexual.
2:11:55
SPEAKER_06: You saw that girl naked, you saw her pussy, like whatever.
2:11:57
SPEAKER_06: Or you're gonna be like, no, I pulled her panties to the side and like No.
2:12:00
SPEAKER_06: Like, why y'all trying to why you guys are trying to like get loopholes?
2:12:03
SPEAKER_06: The whole point of being in a relationship is you're supposed to be focused on that woman.
2:12:07
SPEAKER_06: Okay.
2:12:07
SPEAKER_06: You don't want anybody else.
2:12:09
SPEAKER_06: This, this, exactly.
2:12:10
SPEAKER_06: So you gotta be happy and you shouldn't be looking for no freaking loopholes.
2:12:13
SPEAKER_06: Then you shouldn't be in a relationship.
2:12:14
SPEAKER_02: Let me ask you this question.
2:12:16
SPEAKER_02: I go to work every day.
2:12:17
SPEAKER_02: There's a young lady at work, and she brings me, you know, food and stuff.
2:12:23
SPEAKER_02: We we share uh lunch together every day.
2:12:25
SPEAKER_02: That's our routine.
2:12:26
SPEAKER_02: Is that cheating?
2:12:27
SPEAKER_06: No.
2:12:28
SPEAKER_02: Okay, hold on.
2:12:28
SPEAKER_02: Let me extend the story a little bit.
2:12:31
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
2:12:31
SPEAKER_02: I have problems at home.
2:12:33
SPEAKER_02: I tell her about my problems at home, and I can talk to her about my problems at home.
2:12:37
SPEAKER_02: Is that cheating?
2:12:38
SPEAKER_06: No.
2:12:38
SPEAKER_02: I have insecurities about myself.
2:12:41
SPEAKER_02: I have goals I want to achieve.
2:12:44
SPEAKER_06: If you don't tell, I feel like if you don't tell your significant other these issues, then it's sort of because you're you're going you're going to someone else.
2:12:55
SPEAKER_02: Emotional cheating.
2:12:56
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
2:12:56
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
2:12:57
SPEAKER_02: So it's not.
2:12:57
SPEAKER_06: That's something like if you told both of them, then okay.
2:13:00
SPEAKER_06: But if you net if you did not mention those issues to her first.
2:13:03
SPEAKER_02: No, I didn't.
2:13:04
SPEAKER_02: I never do.
2:13:05
SPEAKER_02: I don't feel comfortable telling my girlfriend.
2:13:06
SPEAKER_02: And this is hypothetical, though.
2:13:07
SPEAKER_02: Yes, absolutely.
2:13:08
SPEAKER_02: What the fuck?
2:13:08
SPEAKER_06: I don't even talk to other women.
2:13:10
SPEAKER_02: I don't talk to other women.
2:13:11
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
2:13:11
SPEAKER_02: So if she was the one in front of me.
2:13:13
SPEAKER_06: Yes, I do think that's a good thing.
2:13:14
SPEAKER_02: So that's that's that's emotional cheating.
2:13:16
SPEAKER_06: And some and sometimes obviously it's worse.
2:13:21
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
2:13:22
SPEAKER_02: It is and I just want to know, like, there's always these.
2:13:25
SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't consider cheating.
2:13:26
SPEAKER_02: What the fuck are y'all niggas talking about?
2:13:27
SPEAKER_06: They're having a whole side conversation right now.
2:13:29
SPEAKER_08: Oh, so he he's showing me a picture of uh one girl giving the other girl the dagger and him behind her giving her the same thing.
2:13:38
SPEAKER_08: So he's like, is this cheating?
2:13:40
SPEAKER_08: I said no.
2:13:40
SPEAKER_08: But now, if she was the girl received on the receiving end of the guy behind her, that's not you.
2:13:47
SPEAKER_08: Now is that cheating?
2:13:48
SPEAKER_06: No, it's a dance dancing.
2:13:49
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so let me ask the men in the room.
2:13:52
SPEAKER_02: If your girl goes to a club and she comes back and tells you that she kissed a girl in the mouth, she cheated on you.
2:14:00
SPEAKER_10: I would say no, but yeah.
2:14:04
SPEAKER_10: Because I'm I'm gonna feel bad, like, damn, like you just kissed a whole female, you ain't bring her home.
2:14:08
SPEAKER_04: No, that's a different thing.
2:14:10
SPEAKER_10: That's a different thing.
2:14:10
SPEAKER_02: The fuck you mean that's a different thing.
2:14:11
SPEAKER_02: You're not even you're not even built like that, man.
2:14:12
SPEAKER_02: Don't do that.
2:14:13
SPEAKER_02: Same thing.
2:14:15
SPEAKER_05: Like, you selfish.
2:14:17
SPEAKER_05: So cheating is not the thing.
2:14:18
SPEAKER_02: You didn't say you give her my lips, which are young.
2:14:21
SPEAKER_02: Wait, so cheating is not the thing.
2:14:22
SPEAKER_02: It's just uh you're upset.
2:14:23
SPEAKER_02: No, no, so wait a minute.
2:14:24
SPEAKER_10: You'd be upset.
2:14:25
SPEAKER_10: I don't know what the fuck that that girl may have.
2:14:27
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so she cheated on you.
2:14:28
SPEAKER_02: You would call your woman a cheater.
2:14:29
SPEAKER_02: She did that to you.
2:14:30
SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
2:14:30
SPEAKER_02: Okay, you you two Ace?
2:14:32
SPEAKER_02: Nah.
2:14:32
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
2:14:33
SPEAKER_02: Gray area.
2:14:34
SPEAKER_02: Let me move.
2:14:35
SPEAKER_02: Let me move the let me move it a little further.
2:14:37
SPEAKER_02: She comes home, she's very depressed.
2:14:38
SPEAKER_02: She's like, I've been wanting to tell you this for a long time.
2:14:41
SPEAKER_02: Um, me and one of my homegirls, I just say it's one of her best friends, and me and her did some stuff last night, and we were drunk.
2:14:47
SPEAKER_02: That's cheating?
2:14:47
SPEAKER_02: That's cheating?
2:14:48
SPEAKER_01: Kilt What?
2:14:50
SPEAKER_08: Is he saying?
2:14:51
SPEAKER_08: That's kilt.
2:14:52
SPEAKER_08: Like killed, dead, done.
2:14:54
SPEAKER_08: No, I'm joking.
2:14:54
SPEAKER_08: Um, that's not cheating.
2:14:57
SPEAKER_08: That's um That's her bringing to the table that we have an issue that she obviously doesn't feel comfortable with me, but somebody else makes her feel comfortable with.
2:15:05
SPEAKER_02: Nah, we just got drunk, we was kissing, and then we just now you don't just get drunk and don't just drink.
2:15:09
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, because you don't always kiss me.
2:15:11
SPEAKER_05: I've seen girls get drunk and just kiss.
2:15:13
SPEAKER_08: No, no, no, hold on.
2:15:14
SPEAKER_08: So I know my woman, and she wouldn't just be out just to get drunk.
2:15:18
SPEAKER_08: Okay.
2:15:18
SPEAKER_08: So for that to be the issue, something else happened.
2:15:21
SPEAKER_02: Okay, fine.
2:15:22
SPEAKER_10: How about that?
2:15:22
SPEAKER_08: It's more premeditated than just a mistake.
2:15:26
SPEAKER_10: I'm gonna keep it a buck.
2:15:28
SPEAKER_10: So she got lit, hooked up.
2:15:31
SPEAKER_10: Well, her friend.
2:15:32
SPEAKER_10: This is a friend.
2:15:34
SPEAKER_02: She was staying in her house, whatever.
2:15:35
SPEAKER_10: Why you gonna hit me up to come home?
2:15:36
SPEAKER_10: What the fuck you keeping?
2:15:37
SPEAKER_02: Nigga, I'm just asking you if that's cheating.
2:15:39
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
2:15:40
SPEAKER_10: Don't ask your response.
2:15:40
SPEAKER_10: You keep it, you keep it her side piece?
2:15:43
SPEAKER_10: That's cheating, man.
2:15:44
SPEAKER_10: So that's cheating all around.
2:15:45
SPEAKER_10: Okay.
2:15:45
SPEAKER_10: You gotta share.
2:15:46
SPEAKER_10: That's fair.
2:15:47
SPEAKER_10: Sharing is caring.
2:15:49
SPEAKER_08: So let me he's gonna flip this right now.
2:15:51
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, so I'm gonna go.
2:15:53
SPEAKER_10: I'm not gonna flip it.
2:15:54
SPEAKER_10: I can't deal with visuals.
2:15:55
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, and there goes there goes the fucking board.
2:15:58
SPEAKER_02: I can aim.
2:16:01
SPEAKER_02: That takes four people to pour.
2:16:02
SPEAKER_02: We're wasting man tequila here.
2:16:04
SPEAKER_08: We ain't wasting shit.
2:16:05
SPEAKER_08: I'm gonna drink this motherfucker.
2:16:08
SPEAKER_02: I know this is gonna get into the.
2:16:09
SPEAKER_02: I wasn't gonna flip it how y'all think I was gonna flip it.
2:16:12
SPEAKER_02: I know it's gonna get into a little it's gonna sound a little gay.
2:16:14
SPEAKER_02: But let's let's put you in a hypothetical relationship.
2:16:17
SPEAKER_02: If your significant other were to kiss a man while he was out, is that cheating?
2:16:23
SPEAKER_02: Of course.
2:16:23
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
2:16:24
SPEAKER_02: How?
2:16:24
SPEAKER_10: Of course.
2:16:26
SPEAKER_10: You just agree that if a girl kiss a girl, it's not cheating.
2:16:29
SPEAKER_10: But if it's the opposite way, right, it's just cheating.
2:16:31
SPEAKER_08: You asked me a question.
2:16:32
SPEAKER_10: No, I'm not talking about chaotic.
2:16:34
SPEAKER_08: No, but she never said it wasn't cheating, though.
2:16:35
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, I said it was.
2:16:36
SPEAKER_08: He agrees with me.
2:16:37
SPEAKER_06: I said it was cheating.
2:16:39
unknown: Wait.
2:16:39
SPEAKER_10: No, no, no.
2:16:40
SPEAKER_10: No, no, no.
2:16:41
SPEAKER_05: He lit if I kissed a girl, he doesn't think it's cheating.
2:16:45
SPEAKER_10: But you think it's cheating.
2:16:46
SPEAKER_10: No.
2:16:46
SPEAKER_05: Yes.
2:16:47
SPEAKER_05: I I think it's cheating.
2:16:48
SPEAKER_10: If you kissed a girl?
2:16:49
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
2:16:49
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
2:16:50
SPEAKER_05: Oh.
2:16:50
SPEAKER_05: I could have sworn they both just agreed to that.
2:16:52
SPEAKER_05: No, no, no.
2:16:56
SPEAKER_10: She thinks it's cheating.
2:16:57
SPEAKER_10: But again, exactly.
2:16:58
SPEAKER_10: I would have just called a nigga gay.
2:16:59
SPEAKER_10: That was it.
2:17:00
SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
2:17:00
SPEAKER_02: I mean, hey.
2:17:03
SPEAKER_06: No, but he said, but he was like, if my man kissed another man.
2:17:07
SPEAKER_06: I didn't say it was evil.
2:17:07
SPEAKER_06: Oh.
2:17:08
SPEAKER_06: No, exactly.
2:17:09
SPEAKER_02: Hypothetical.
2:17:09
SPEAKER_02: Yes, that's what he just said.
2:17:11
SPEAKER_05: He said it.
2:17:12
SPEAKER_05: I kissed another man.
2:17:13
SPEAKER_05: No, no, no.
2:17:13
SPEAKER_05: He said hypothetical.
2:17:15
SPEAKER_05: He said.
2:17:16
SPEAKER_05: That's literally what I'm saying.
2:17:17
SPEAKER_10: Hypothetically, not specifically.
2:17:21
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, he removed you out of it.
2:17:22
SPEAKER_10: Hypothetical.
2:17:22
SPEAKER_10: It was a hypothetical.
2:17:23
SPEAKER_06: Your man kissed another man.
2:17:25
SPEAKER_06: Is that cheating?
2:17:25
SPEAKER_06: I said yes.
2:17:27
SPEAKER_02: I didn't hear that.
2:17:34
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, because you definitely lied.
2:17:36
SPEAKER_08: Lied, lied, lied.
2:17:38
SPEAKER_02: How do you feel about the people that um like can you salvage that?
2:17:42
SPEAKER_02: No.
2:17:42
SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
2:17:42
SPEAKER_08: It depends on the temperament of the per the people.
2:17:45
SPEAKER_02: No, but we, right in this room, is that solvable for you?
2:17:48
SPEAKER_02: No.
2:17:49
SPEAKER_06: When somebody cheats on you, it's something that's a good one.
2:17:50
SPEAKER_02: What if it's just it was just a kiss?
2:17:52
SPEAKER_02: What do you mean?
2:17:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think it's like a cheese.
2:17:54
SPEAKER_02: No.
2:17:54
SPEAKER_02: I'm done.
2:17:55
SPEAKER_02: You done?
2:17:56
SPEAKER_02: Ace?
2:17:57
SPEAKER_08: I'm a weak person.
2:17:58
SPEAKER_02: Just a kiss.
2:17:59
SPEAKER_02: You out?
2:18:01
SPEAKER_08: Nah.
2:18:02
SPEAKER_08: Okay.
2:18:03
SPEAKER_08: I love this one.
2:18:04
SPEAKER_08: You know, I honestly don't want to answer this because I don't want to put it in her head that we can see somebody.
2:18:10
SPEAKER_08: I got one on the shelf.
2:18:12
SPEAKER_08: Like, nah.
2:18:13
SPEAKER_08: But on some real shit, I I do love this individual.
2:18:15
SPEAKER_08: I don't want to get all mushy.
2:18:17
SPEAKER_02: A kiss is not enough to destroy your ball.
2:18:18
SPEAKER_02: I get it.
2:18:18
SPEAKER_02: Nah at all.
2:18:19
SPEAKER_02: No, but this is the funny thing.
2:18:20
SPEAKER_02: This is the women is who I really like to hear about these things.
2:18:22
SPEAKER_02: So a kiss.
2:18:24
SPEAKER_02: You ended the relationship with her kiss.
2:18:26
SPEAKER_04: No.
2:18:27
SPEAKER_02: Penetration.
2:18:28
SPEAKER_02: One time.
2:18:28
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
2:18:29
SPEAKER_02: I don't think so.
2:18:30
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
2:18:30
SPEAKER_02: I don't think so.
2:18:30
SPEAKER_02: I think women is negotiable.
2:18:32
SPEAKER_02: I think it depends on a lot of things.
2:18:34
SPEAKER_02: I think it depends on a lot of things.
2:18:35
SPEAKER_02: It depends on the women.
2:18:36
SPEAKER_02: It does.
2:18:37
SPEAKER_06: It does.
2:18:37
SPEAKER_06: I think it depends on who.
2:18:40
SPEAKER_06: I just think if you had an agreed-upon relationship, and like it it depends.
2:18:43
SPEAKER_06: Like if he comes, if he thinks it's a mistake, like something happened.
2:18:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he comes to you literally.
2:18:48
SPEAKER_02: As soon as he's done, he's like, yo, I made the biggest mistake of my life.
2:18:51
SPEAKER_02: I'm telling you as a man.
2:18:52
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, that's the whole thing.
2:18:54
SPEAKER_06: I think if it's more, if there's more honesty and transparency involved, I think it is salvageable.
2:18:59
SPEAKER_02: Let me ask a man.
2:18:59
SPEAKER_10: I think it is salvage.
2:19:00
SPEAKER_02: Penetration.
2:19:02
SPEAKER_10: She comes to you as a woman to tell you the truth right after.
2:19:05
unknown: Damn.
2:19:06
SPEAKER_02: You can use the word you use earlier.
2:19:07
SPEAKER_02: Kilt.
2:19:07
SPEAKER_02: It's over for that.
2:19:08
SPEAKER_02: It's over.
2:19:09
SPEAKER_02: This thing just got bad, right?
2:19:11
SPEAKER_02: You don't even want to think about this.
2:19:13
SPEAKER_02: You don't want to break about it.
2:19:15
SPEAKER_08: Like I said, the visualization is crazy.
2:19:17
SPEAKER_08: Don't visualize it, man.
2:19:18
SPEAKER_08: Don't think about it.
2:19:19
SPEAKER_08: Um, see, there's uh uh nobody can ever be in my room.
2:19:23
SPEAKER_08: That's my room.
2:19:24
SPEAKER_06: Isn't that what you guys discussed the other week?
2:19:26
SPEAKER_08: The week that we missed, we missed about can you tell me if someone's been in TV?
2:19:31
SPEAKER_08: I call it my room.
2:19:33
SPEAKER_08: So you can absolutely tell when somebody has moved the TV in your room.
2:19:36
SPEAKER_02: Just even if it's just an inch over, too.
2:19:39
SPEAKER_08: The TV's not where you left it.
2:19:41
SPEAKER_02: So what are you doing, young man?
2:19:44
SPEAKER_02: The relationship dead, potty done?
2:19:46
SPEAKER_08: I'm I'm passive aggressive.
2:19:48
SPEAKER_08: So I won't straight out ask her first.
2:19:50
SPEAKER_08: I will do go back to my little heritage and uh find my information.
2:19:53
SPEAKER_08: I'll turn into that crazy person.
2:19:55
SPEAKER_10: But if you find out I told you, like she came to you like ace, I fucked up, I stepped out, boom.
2:20:04
SPEAKER_10: Party done.
2:20:05
SPEAKER_10: That's it.
2:20:06
SPEAKER_08: So I like how you said that because um Alright, within our relationship, how we are right now, if she was able to pull that off, she had to be extra cunning and extra lying.
2:20:19
SPEAKER_08: So you she, yes, that that would be Okay, but remove all of that shit.
2:20:22
SPEAKER_02: Remove the lying cunning.
2:20:24
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, no, no.
2:20:25
SPEAKER_02: Let's just differ because look.
2:20:27
SPEAKER_02: She works somewhere, right?
2:20:28
SPEAKER_02: She has a job somewhere.
2:20:29
SPEAKER_02: They go out on a fucking job party and she has sex with some dude there.
2:20:32
SPEAKER_02: That's it.
2:20:33
SPEAKER_02: There was no cunning, there was no lying.
2:20:34
SPEAKER_02: She told you immediately.
2:20:36
SPEAKER_02: It wasn't premeditating.
2:20:37
SPEAKER_10: No premeditation.
2:20:38
SPEAKER_10: They went out, they basically went out to a party for the job.
2:20:41
SPEAKER_10: Little, probably had a couple shots, boom.
2:20:43
SPEAKER_10: Bang the nigga in the bathroom store some stupid shit.
2:20:45
SPEAKER_08: No, I can't say it's over.
2:20:46
SPEAKER_08: Things definitely change, but I can't say it's over.
2:20:48
SPEAKER_08: Oh, yeah, that nigga's strong.
2:20:50
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, that's strong.
2:20:52
SPEAKER_10: Toss her out.
2:20:53
SPEAKER_10: Toss the back.
2:20:55
SPEAKER_10: I'm not sure.
2:20:56
SPEAKER_10: I'm always man.
2:20:57
SPEAKER_10: Toss the child out, toss everything.
2:20:59
SPEAKER_10: I'm out.
2:21:00
SPEAKER_10: I'm burning out.
2:21:01
SPEAKER_10: I'm gonna out.
2:21:02
SPEAKER_02: And I love my girl.
2:21:03
SPEAKER_02: My girl's my wife.
2:21:04
SPEAKER_02: I don't even play the girl.
2:21:05
SPEAKER_02: I'm out.
2:21:06
SPEAKER_02: For the simple fact.
2:21:07
SPEAKER_02: My rib right there, but if she's for the simple fact, is this this?
2:21:11
SPEAKER_10: That's all for that.
2:21:13
SPEAKER_10: I take you back in my head.
2:21:15
SPEAKER_10: I'ma keep questioning.
2:21:16
SPEAKER_10: So are you gonna do it again?
2:21:17
SPEAKER_10: Along with your court.
2:21:18
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, exactly.
2:21:18
SPEAKER_10: I hate you.
2:21:19
SPEAKER_10: And that's gonna fuck my mental up.
2:21:20
SPEAKER_06: I hate you.
2:21:21
SPEAKER_06: So that's it.
2:21:22
SPEAKER_06: Like, because that's the thing, you don't really forgive them then.
2:21:24
SPEAKER_06: You don't.
2:21:25
SPEAKER_10: It's no matter how much you say you forgive.
2:21:27
SPEAKER_02: What?
2:21:28
SPEAKER_02: You don't really forgive them.
2:21:28
SPEAKER_10: That means you didn't forgive them.
2:21:29
SPEAKER_02: I don't think that's a forgivable effect.
2:21:33
SPEAKER_06: Oh.
2:21:34
SPEAKER_06: But if a man does it in the way.
2:21:35
SPEAKER_02: If a man knows why we are we are.
2:21:37
SPEAKER_06: But for a woman, you think it's more emotional?
2:21:39
SPEAKER_06: No, no, no, no.
2:21:40
SPEAKER_08: I was gonna go use that.
2:21:41
SPEAKER_08: Even on that tense, like you women have already expressed that it's different and it is way more emotional.
2:21:48
SPEAKER_08: You know, not always if you allow that to open up.
2:21:52
SPEAKER_10: Exactly.
2:21:52
SPEAKER_10: You know how much more emotional it is?
2:21:55
SPEAKER_10: Is it your female?
2:21:56
SPEAKER_10: That's not my argument.
2:21:57
SPEAKER_08: What do you mean?
2:21:57
SPEAKER_08: Is it your fault?
2:21:58
SPEAKER_08: Why is she stepping out on you?
2:22:00
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
2:22:00
SPEAKER_08: So that's it.
2:22:01
SPEAKER_06: Did you have anything to play?
2:22:02
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
2:22:03
SPEAKER_02: We're going into the cuck zone right now.
2:22:05
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
2:22:06
SPEAKER_02: Fuck that shit.
2:22:09
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, no, no.
2:22:10
SPEAKER_02: Is it something that I'm doing wrong, Sally?
2:22:12
SPEAKER_02: Like, nah, no.
2:22:13
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, that's why it's difficult for me to say it because I don't think I would ever put my woman in the situation in her life where she would even remotely by mistake, completely drunk, or if she did coke down.
2:22:26
SPEAKER_08: This is just all hypothetical.
2:22:27
SPEAKER_08: No disrespect to nobody in the world.
2:22:29
SPEAKER_08: On that hypothesis, it's just like I don't think I would be in a relationship with a woman who would do that.
2:22:37
SPEAKER_08: Do that.
2:22:38
SPEAKER_06: That's why it's hard for him to do that.
2:22:39
SPEAKER_06: No, no, I get hard for me to agree.
2:22:43
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
2:22:43
SPEAKER_06: Because I've never met anybody.
2:22:48
SPEAKER_08: Okay, so if I never met Carrie, yo, you blow smoke the wrong direction, and our relationships.
2:22:52
SPEAKER_08: Oh, I have no problem in the relationships because I'm a person who believes in whatever you do in life, follow your path, and your significant other is gonna fall along.
2:23:01
SPEAKER_02: I agree.
2:23:02
SPEAKER_08: There's no people that should be out here just looking at companionship.
2:23:07
SPEAKER_08: That shit is dead.
2:23:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I've never had a relationship outside of one of them right now.
2:23:10
SPEAKER_08: You're gonna come up, you're gonna find a lot of weirdos and a lot of people that you shouldn't even be meeting.
2:23:15
SPEAKER_08: Because life is designed, it's gonna design itself.
2:23:18
SPEAKER_08: Your luck is what you create.
2:23:20
SPEAKER_08: You're gonna put yourself where you need to be.
2:23:22
SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
2:23:23
SPEAKER_08: Okay.
2:23:23
SPEAKER_08: So that being said, before Carrie, yeah.
2:23:27
SPEAKER_08: Before KO Tro, I'll be like, yo, um, peace.
2:23:31
SPEAKER_08: Okay.
2:23:32
SPEAKER_08: You was talking ahead.
2:23:33
SPEAKER_08: Now you good.
2:23:33
SPEAKER_08: You can say over there, I I really have no problems with you.
2:23:36
SPEAKER_08: We're just no longer in a relationship.
2:23:38
SPEAKER_10: So now I'm gonna take it a step further.
2:23:40
SPEAKER_08: Alright.
2:23:41
SPEAKER_08: This is before post or pre-Kary.
2:23:43
SPEAKER_08: Before or after.
2:23:45
SPEAKER_10: I think it's more interesting.
2:23:48
SPEAKER_10: I think it's more interesting if we use prior.
2:23:50
SPEAKER_10: Well, no.
2:23:51
SPEAKER_10: No.
2:23:51
SPEAKER_10: However you want to say now.
2:23:54
SPEAKER_10: Right now.
2:23:54
SPEAKER_10: Let's say, let's say, let's say, let's say, let's say, you know, you go out, boom, party, slips up, one time, boom, she ends up pregnant.
2:24:11
SPEAKER_10: Are you staying?
2:24:12
SPEAKER_10: Party done!
2:24:17
SPEAKER_08: Um, still difficult.
2:24:19
SPEAKER_08: Are we talking about carry or nah?
2:24:20
SPEAKER_08: Don't carry.
2:24:21
SPEAKER_08: I'm gonna slap you.
2:24:23
SPEAKER_08: I'm gonna carry.
2:24:25
SPEAKER_08: I mean KO Cho.
2:24:27
SPEAKER_08: We're gonna bleep all that shit out.
2:24:28
SPEAKER_08: I got it.
2:24:30
SPEAKER_08: I'm sorry, bitch.
2:24:30
SPEAKER_06: Jesus.
2:24:31
SPEAKER_02: KO Cho.
2:24:32
SPEAKER_02: We are talking about KOcho.
2:24:33
SPEAKER_02: We don't even know what a carry is.
2:24:34
SPEAKER_02: You know, in basketball, that rule is kind of weird.
2:24:36
SPEAKER_08: K-A-R-R-I-E.
2:24:37
SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
2:24:38
SPEAKER_08: That carry.
2:24:39
SPEAKER_08: Um.
2:24:40
SPEAKER_06: Making it worse.
2:24:41
SPEAKER_08: No, because it's not the same.
2:24:43
SPEAKER_06: Why'd you wait?
2:24:44
SPEAKER_08: You just added a baby to the scenario?
2:24:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that she's still dying that baby.
2:24:48
SPEAKER_02: You gotta go.
2:24:48
SPEAKER_02: Come on.
2:24:49
SPEAKER_02: Don't disrespect her.
2:24:50
SPEAKER_02: Before this one?
2:24:51
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
2:24:51
SPEAKER_02: This one is a good one.
2:24:52
SPEAKER_02: No, just one right now.
2:24:53
SPEAKER_08: She could almost do anything.
2:24:54
SPEAKER_08: I'm not going over there.
2:24:55
SPEAKER_08: Nah, baby.
2:24:57
SPEAKER_08: Baby?
2:24:58
SPEAKER_05: Stop.
2:24:59
SPEAKER_08: Yo.
2:24:59
SPEAKER_08: Yo, something like that.
2:25:00
SPEAKER_08: You gonna raise a little bit.
2:25:04
SPEAKER_08: She could have probably not even enjoyed that shit and just ended up pregnant real quick.
2:25:09
SPEAKER_10: Okay.
2:25:10
SPEAKER_10: She does not.
2:25:10
SPEAKER_10: I don't know where we found this in the because she's scared that she might not have to be a little bit more.
2:25:14
SPEAKER_08: You gotta know who she is.
2:25:16
SPEAKER_08: That's the best person you ever met.
2:25:17
SPEAKER_06: It's because it's not gonna happen, but worry.
2:25:19
SPEAKER_06: It's okay.
2:25:20
SPEAKER_06: No, he's not leaving.
2:25:22
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, because he's saying this.
2:25:23
SPEAKER_08: I'm not gonna end up with that predicament.
2:25:25
SPEAKER_02: I just honestly think, um, just to get back to the argument of men versus women and the whole cheating thing.
2:25:30
SPEAKER_02: So before Carrie, she's gone.
2:25:32
SPEAKER_02: I think it's easier.
2:25:33
SPEAKER_02: This thing I don't know who KOcho is.
2:25:35
SPEAKER_02: I think it's easier to for a woman to get over the fact that a man cheated.
2:25:40
SPEAKER_02: Because as a woman, you understand that men, we are hardwired to want to spread our seed.
2:25:46
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:25:47
SPEAKER_02: Women don't have that same innate ability to, hey, I need an erection.
2:25:52
SPEAKER_02: Not all.
2:25:53
SPEAKER_02: Some women do.
2:25:55
SPEAKER_02: I don't continue.
2:25:56
SPEAKER_02: I don't think without outside influence, they're naturally.
2:25:59
SPEAKER_02: I'm talking about in our natural states.
2:26:02
SPEAKER_02: I think in our natural states, this is just my opinion.
2:26:04
SPEAKER_02: I think in our natural states, men have a unvalidated hypotenuse.
2:26:08
SPEAKER_02: No, that's like the that has something to do with triangles.
2:26:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:26:12
SPEAKER_06: It's like the longest side.
2:26:14
SPEAKER_10: Is that like the first thing?
2:26:15
SPEAKER_10: No.
2:26:16
SPEAKER_02: Can I get my fucking point across?
2:26:18
SPEAKER_02: No, that's a hypothesis.
2:26:19
SPEAKER_02: Oh, hypothesis.
2:26:20
SPEAKER_02: Anyways, so I think that because we are just wired differently, it's easier for a woman to be like, yo, you just fuck this girl because you were horny and shit happens, as opposed to you had an emotional connection with this person, and this is gonna be a repeat offense.
2:26:33
SPEAKER_02: Like if this is a girl you've been stalking on Instagram for weeks and you like shit about her, like, yo, you like her because she does tattoos, like you, Chubby Sav, you had this emotional connection with what's that girl's name?
2:26:44
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, I got into a situation for that one.
2:26:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
2:26:46
SPEAKER_02: Uh what was her name?
2:26:47
SPEAKER_02: Westbrook?
2:26:47
SPEAKER_02: Morgan Westbrook.
2:26:48
SPEAKER_02: Like he has an attraction to her outside of just physical.
2:26:51
SPEAKER_10: I even told her I'll marry her.
2:26:53
SPEAKER_10: And when she responded, oh my god.
2:26:54
SPEAKER_10: What did she say?
2:26:55
SPEAKER_10: She's like, oh my god, it's so cute.
2:26:57
SPEAKER_10: Like, thank you.
2:26:58
SPEAKER_10: Because I wish her happy birthday and everything.
2:27:00
SPEAKER_10: I told her straight up the next time she comes to New York, and I said, Morgan's the one Morgan doesn't have babies, right?
2:27:04
SPEAKER_10: I don't know who winning these for.
2:27:05
SPEAKER_10: Morgan doesn't have kids.
2:27:05
SPEAKER_10: I just know they have uh they have one for everybody.
2:27:07
SPEAKER_06: No, because I know the Westbrooks, I just I'm trying to.
2:27:10
SPEAKER_10: I ain't gonna lie, I'm yo, I don't know what the fuck they face.
2:27:13
SPEAKER_10: But they're natural.
2:27:14
SPEAKER_10: But I just love the fact that Morgan Westbrook could get on a dirt bike or a four-wheeler and fucking put that shit at 12.
2:27:21
SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
2:27:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so if you cheated on her with uh with your if you ever get into another relationship and you cheated on your girl with her, your girl has every right to leave you.
2:27:29
SPEAKER_02: No, she better understand that shit.
2:27:31
SPEAKER_02: She has every right to leave you.
2:27:32
SPEAKER_10: But it's like if she cheat with the city.
2:27:33
SPEAKER_06: So that's that's called she gives you a pass.
2:27:35
SPEAKER_06: Like that's a whole pass.
2:27:37
SPEAKER_06: That's your whole pass, yeah.
2:27:38
SPEAKER_02: She gotta understand.
2:27:39
SPEAKER_02: I mean You want to be in a relationship with her, that respite lady.
2:27:43
SPEAKER_02: So I don't know what you're talking about.
2:27:44
SPEAKER_02: But I know I'll never marry her.
2:27:46
SPEAKER_06: Exactly.
2:27:46
SPEAKER_06: He knows, but if he can hit it, at least.
2:27:48
SPEAKER_02: Nah, it's not about just the sex for him.
2:27:50
SPEAKER_02: It's about he likes her as a person.
2:27:52
SPEAKER_06: I know, but he's saying he knows it's never gonna happen.
2:27:54
SPEAKER_02: How do you know that?
2:27:55
SPEAKER_02: Why are you so you know you're not even gonna be able to do that?
2:27:56
SPEAKER_02: You know why I said you know why I said it would happen?
2:27:58
SPEAKER_10: Sure.
2:27:58
SPEAKER_10: It's just like the chances of- Can I raise your kids for you?
2:28:02
SPEAKER_10: The chances of me really coming across her and being on a one-to-one without how people like basically stopping that or security.
2:28:12
SPEAKER_02: Do me a favor.
2:28:13
SPEAKER_02: When if you have more than one son, let me raise one of them for you.
2:28:16
SPEAKER_02: And I'm gonna show you how ill this kid turns out under my tree.
2:28:20
SPEAKER_02: I don't need a boy seriously.
2:28:21
SPEAKER_10: You can raise all my boys.
2:28:22
SPEAKER_02: Alright, and watch how ill these kids become.
2:28:24
SPEAKER_02: Watch, watch.
2:28:25
SPEAKER_02: You gotta provide all the money though.
2:28:26
SPEAKER_02: What?
2:28:26
SPEAKER_02: Oh, hell no.
2:28:27
SPEAKER_02: Why don't you shoot?
2:28:28
SPEAKER_06: You gotta give him child support.
2:28:30
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:28:32
unknown: Oh yeah.
2:28:34
SPEAKER_02: Anyways, uh, what did you show?
2:28:36
SPEAKER_02: The bill face.
2:28:37
SPEAKER_02: When you say you you gotta you you have to uh send the money, face he will probably be like, ooh.
2:28:42
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so just to bring this whole conversation to a close, I think the last part of the question was.
2:28:48
SPEAKER_04: Oh yes.
2:28:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um, do you think it's a pathetic move?
2:28:52
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
2:28:53
SPEAKER_02: I didn't even get to finish the question.
2:28:55
SPEAKER_02: Or more so that they are honoring their vows.
2:28:58
SPEAKER_06: If someone stays after Ace?
2:29:01
SPEAKER_02: So you think Ace is pathetic?
2:29:02
SPEAKER_06: So look at Kevin Hart and his current wife and Beyonce and Jay-Z.
2:29:06
SPEAKER_10: But look at it this way.
2:29:07
SPEAKER_10: I like it when Kevin Hart's wife got him like that.
2:29:10
SPEAKER_10: So she already knows what he's capable of.
2:29:12
SPEAKER_10: She already knows his background.
2:29:14
SPEAKER_10: So for him to do it to her, it's like, what do you expect?
2:29:17
SPEAKER_02: Can y'all give me an example of a woman that cheated and the man took her back?
2:29:21
SPEAKER_02: The only one I can think of is Scottie Pippen.
2:29:23
SPEAKER_02: He's just a cuck for that.
2:29:24
SPEAKER_02: Um, damn.
2:29:26
SPEAKER_02: Because she says she likes Future.
2:29:27
SPEAKER_02: Like she was a big thing.
2:29:28
SPEAKER_08: His name is his name's Flip.
2:29:29
SPEAKER_08: Uh the name's.
2:29:30
SPEAKER_06: I just know from the show Sex in the City.
2:29:32
SPEAKER_02: No, that's not real.
2:29:33
SPEAKER_02: That's not real.
2:29:34
SPEAKER_06: I know it's not real.
2:29:35
SPEAKER_06: Because in all yo, what's up with HBO making all the female leagues cheat on their men?
2:29:40
SPEAKER_08: And uh came up like one of the one of the first black men to come up on a prenup.
2:29:45
SPEAKER_08: Who was it?
2:29:46
SPEAKER_08: Who was it?
2:29:46
SPEAKER_08: Name slips to me.
2:29:47
SPEAKER_08: Red would have known this.
2:29:48
SPEAKER_08: Came up on a prenup?
2:29:49
SPEAKER_08: Who's the is it Mary J.
2:29:50
SPEAKER_06: Blige's husband?
2:29:51
SPEAKER_08: Yes, Mary J.
2:29:52
SPEAKER_08: Blige's husband.
2:29:53
SPEAKER_08: She cheated?
2:29:54
SPEAKER_08: Didn't she cheat?
2:29:55
SPEAKER_08: Or she just divorced?
2:29:56
SPEAKER_06: No, they divorced, but she gotta pay him.
2:29:58
SPEAKER_06: Like he cheated on her, and then she has to pay him.
2:30:00
SPEAKER_10: That's a little nigga, right?
2:30:01
SPEAKER_10: Reverse alibi.
2:30:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:30:03
SPEAKER_02: Alimony.
2:30:04
SPEAKER_02: Spouse's support.
2:30:05
SPEAKER_02: So tell me.
2:30:06
SPEAKER_10: I feel like it's pathetic because it's at a certain point where if you have really like to me, it's like in my situation, if let's say I had a girl, she cheated on me, and I stayed, I would feel pathetic because like I know I could do better to a point where somebody would not disrespect me like that.
2:30:23
SPEAKER_02: Okay, but we know what I'm saying.
2:30:25
SPEAKER_02: We just gave the scenario.
2:30:26
SPEAKER_06: What if it was just they're honoring their vows, like in sickness and in health, and like you tell Okay, so I feel like people don't take vows seriously nowadays.
2:30:33
SPEAKER_06: Like, don't get married.
2:30:35
SPEAKER_06: Like, people are just so quick to divorce and they don't really work shit out.
2:30:38
SPEAKER_06: They just feel like as soon as the road gets rocky, that's it.
2:30:41
SPEAKER_06: They're gonna honor their vows.
2:30:45
SPEAKER_06: No, that's exactly what I'm saying.
2:30:47
SPEAKER_02: They said that millennials have better, um have less divorces because we take longer to get married than the baby boomers did.
2:30:54
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
2:30:55
SPEAKER_02: The baby boomers are the ones are the ones that actually do the divorcing, nothing.
2:30:58
SPEAKER_08: Because they had money and didn't need degrees.
2:31:01
SPEAKER_08: But let me say they had a lot of idle time and money to spend.
2:31:04
SPEAKER_08: So now we plan our time and our money a lot better.
2:31:07
SPEAKER_08: Now that we have less.
2:31:08
SPEAKER_08: Because all of us now, we go to school, what happens?
2:31:12
SPEAKER_08: After six or nine months of graduation, you're you're back to your parents' house in the same room that you started in because now you have immense debt that you have to take care of.
2:31:20
SPEAKER_08: I'm the victim of one of those schools who are fucking rapists, and they took out federal and private loans on the same loan and double down on my loan.
2:31:29
SPEAKER_08: We didn't know shit until two and a half years later.
2:31:31
SPEAKER_08: So now I'm paying a um a law firm to take care of and the school shut down.
2:31:39
SPEAKER_08: To take care of robbery that's been going going around forever.
2:31:42
SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
2:31:42
SPEAKER_08: Like right now I'm supposed to be paying$760 in um in uh what do you call it?
2:31:48
SPEAKER_08: Uh student loans.
2:31:49
SPEAKER_08: Yeah for something that's not even it's it's it's not even like I I went to Yale.
2:31:54
SPEAKER_08: Am I paying the same amount per year?
2:31:57
SPEAKER_10: You said$760.
2:31:59
SPEAKER_10: A month.
2:32:00
SPEAKER_10: Oh, I thought I thought you'd tell my like that's a total.
2:32:02
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, you're paying more in the loan for.
2:32:09
SPEAKER_08: That already looks like bullshit.
2:32:12
SPEAKER_08: Um I say all that to say, like you you you do a lot of shit and then you you end up in debt back home.
2:32:17
SPEAKER_08: True.
2:32:17
SPEAKER_08: So is it is it really worth it?
2:32:19
SPEAKER_10: No.
2:32:20
SPEAKER_10: Somebody else ain't gone.
2:32:21
SPEAKER_02: But no, it's only worth it if you're going for a specialized skill, in my opinion.
2:32:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:32:26
SPEAKER_02: If you want to be a lawyer or a doctor, you can't become a lawyer by going on YouTube.
2:32:29
SPEAKER_02: True.
2:32:29
SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
2:32:30
SPEAKER_10: Like I said, the reason why.
2:32:32
SPEAKER_10: No, so do you think ace is pathetic?
2:32:34
SPEAKER_10: In a certain sense, yes, because it's me stirring the pocket.
2:32:38
SPEAKER_08: In what sense?
2:32:38
SPEAKER_08: How much you guys just said, you said you would take your girl because the girl.
2:32:43
SPEAKER_02: So not your girl.
2:32:44
SPEAKER_02: Not just any girl, like the girl that you're with right now.
2:32:46
SPEAKER_10: The reason why the reason why I say that is because you just said people don't worship their vows in sickness and health.
2:32:54
SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
2:32:55
SPEAKER_10: When I say that, like I take that vow, it's more to that, but a rocky road is something like arguments over anything small.
2:33:04
SPEAKER_10: Cheating is not a rocky road.
2:33:07
SPEAKER_10: That is a fucking line that we when we say in sickness and health, that don't mean I could just, oh yeah, I fucked up my cheating.
2:33:15
SPEAKER_10: You know what I'm saying?
2:33:17
SPEAKER_10: You know what I'm saying?
2:33:18
SPEAKER_10: No, no, no.
2:33:18
SPEAKER_05: The vow is more than that.
2:33:20
SPEAKER_05: Your vows are more than significant.
2:33:23
SPEAKER_08: Like, it's a little it's a it's drastically different from my opinion that I would have had seven years ago.
2:33:30
SPEAKER_08: Seven years ago, I wouldn't even entertain the thought of having a uh a relationship.
2:33:34
SPEAKER_08: Facts.
2:33:35
SPEAKER_08: A relationship that means that I'm gonna only be with one woman, woman.
2:33:39
SPEAKER_08: Because I I'm uh I understand who I am, and I don't wanna I've seen many women get hurt in my life, I've seen family get hurt in my life.
2:33:46
SPEAKER_08: I don't want to be the cause of that bullshit.
2:33:48
SPEAKER_08: Just from what?
2:33:49
SPEAKER_08: Pitch ass niggas lying.
2:33:51
SPEAKER_08: When you could have told them the truth, they would have been fine with it, and you would have never hurt them and still had them as great friends, possibly marry them.
2:33:57
SPEAKER_02: That's why I have a harem is.
2:34:00
SPEAKER_08: So that's what I say about our generation and the generations after us.
2:34:03
SPEAKER_08: They're a bunch of bitch ass niggas.
2:34:06
SPEAKER_08: Call me a bitch ass nigga.
2:34:07
SPEAKER_08: If you act like that, you are.
2:34:09
SPEAKER_08: You disrespected what I thought, my opinion in taking my woman back because I know I can't find another like her.
2:34:16
SPEAKER_02: Let's let down.
2:34:17
SPEAKER_08: See shit stirring the pot.
2:34:20
SPEAKER_08: You can say that.
2:34:20
SPEAKER_02: One's a bitch ass nigga, one's pathetic.
2:34:22
SPEAKER_02: No, you can say that being pathetic.
2:34:24
SPEAKER_02: Like I said, I ain't got to be.
2:34:25
SPEAKER_10: When you when you take that step of getting married and say your vows, that is something that once a certain line is different because you got to slap in the face.
2:34:37
SPEAKER_05: It is, but again, you took this vow.
2:34:38
SPEAKER_05: No vow.
2:34:39
SPEAKER_08: That's what we were saying.
2:34:42
SPEAKER_08: No, no, no.
2:34:43
SPEAKER_08: No, but I'm saying we couldn't listen.
2:34:44
SPEAKER_08: No, but we just said with vows.
2:34:46
SPEAKER_06: Listen, the thing about these vows is you took this vow too much.
2:34:49
SPEAKER_08: I don't believe in vows too much.
2:34:50
SPEAKER_08: I have a hard time with religion.
2:34:52
SPEAKER_08: I do believe in religion, a hierarchy, and a God.
2:34:55
SPEAKER_08: I don't believe in what I've been told, though.
2:34:57
SPEAKER_08: You went to Catholic school?
2:34:58
unknown: Yeah.
2:34:59
SPEAKER_08: I did go to Catholic.
2:35:00
SPEAKER_08: Why?
2:35:01
SPEAKER_02: The Catholic school system is.
2:35:02
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, hold on.
2:35:03
SPEAKER_08: I went to Catholic school as a Christian.
2:35:05
SPEAKER_08: As what I thought was.
2:35:07
SPEAKER_02: Which is hard to do.
2:35:08
SPEAKER_02: I'm sure you tried.
2:35:09
SPEAKER_08: So that's why Brother Charles always had his fucking the vein across his forehead fucking raised because I always had questions that stumped the entire class.
2:35:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that Catholic school shit is dangerous, right?
2:35:20
SPEAKER_08: So I don't believe in the Catholic faith for a lot of things.
2:35:22
SPEAKER_08: Like what was broken down to me as a child, the difference between Catholicism and um uh Christianity is Catholicism prays to saints and uh uh the mother of a child.
2:35:33
SPEAKER_02: Which the Bible tells you strictly not to do.
2:35:35
SPEAKER_08: Which you're only supposed to praise the Lord.
2:35:38
SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
2:35:38
SPEAKER_08: Jesus Christ as one entity.
2:35:40
SPEAKER_08: They separate him as three and then also pray to his mother and then added saints.
2:35:45
SPEAKER_02: I can become a saint.
2:35:46
SPEAKER_08: There's a rubric to become a saint.
2:35:48
SPEAKER_08: Exactly.
2:35:50
SPEAKER_08: Well my basically my little questions like that is why I was kind of shunned in class and got lesser grades in classroom uh participation, and that's why from a young age I really didn't believe in the system.
2:36:00
SPEAKER_10: You were the one that sat in the back of the church when we went when they went, right?
2:36:03
SPEAKER_08: Nah, I was the one ask telling the kids around me, yo, ask this question as to why this religion doesn't make sense.
2:36:09
SPEAKER_08: See what happens.
2:36:10
SPEAKER_08: I was the one who instigated your own thought.
2:36:13
SPEAKER_10: So you was like my brother, the asshole that told me to go tell religion teachers I'm atheists.
2:36:16
SPEAKER_08: No, no, no, no, no, no.
2:36:17
SPEAKER_08: I was the one that educated you on thinking differently than you're told to think.
2:36:21
SPEAKER_06: Don't not just listen.
2:36:22
SPEAKER_08: So I was the shit stirrer of everything else that I was in because not.
2:36:26
SPEAKER_08: You can't look at me like you can look at me how you want.
2:36:28
SPEAKER_08: But just understand where I'm coming.
2:36:30
SPEAKER_07: Nah.
2:36:31
SPEAKER_06: Okay.
2:36:31
SPEAKER_06: But what I was saying, back to the vows, right?
2:36:34
SPEAKER_06: Like, obviously, they messed up, but your vow is you're supposed to be with this person, you know.
2:36:39
SPEAKER_10: Through sickness?
2:36:40
SPEAKER_10: That's it.
2:36:40
SPEAKER_10: As long as that's not the only two vows.
2:36:43
SPEAKER_10: That's why I'm not sure.
2:36:43
SPEAKER_10: Why does he not understand that's not the only two vows?
2:36:45
SPEAKER_10: Okay, so what's a whole list of things?
2:36:46
SPEAKER_10: So go through the vows of PS4.
2:36:48
SPEAKER_10: Where does it say if you cheat?
2:36:50
SPEAKER_02: Hey Ocho, do not do that.
2:36:51
SPEAKER_02: Where does cheating go with the just goes under the idea of we are going to survive this storm through anything?
2:36:57
SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm saying.
2:36:58
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
2:36:58
SPEAKER_02: Anything.
2:36:59
SPEAKER_06: Cheating falls under anything.
2:37:00
SPEAKER_06: Mistakes, yeah.
2:37:02
SPEAKER_10: Alright, so I'm a I'm a stir to shit.
2:37:05
SPEAKER_10: How many times are you gonna allow cheating?
2:37:07
SPEAKER_10: I don't allow cheating in my relationship.
2:37:09
SPEAKER_10: How many times would you allow it?
2:37:11
SPEAKER_06: My point is I've turned in some people.
2:37:15
SPEAKER_06: Some people stay my point is that some people stay because you know they're trying to honor their vows or like they're trying to work.
2:37:22
SPEAKER_06: They love the person, they're trying to work it out.
2:37:24
SPEAKER_06: I understand.
2:37:24
SPEAKER_06: It's not always pathetic because some people make these vows and they don't stick to them.
2:37:29
SPEAKER_06: Like you're not sticking to your vows if you're trying to work something out with the city.
2:37:31
SPEAKER_02: I don't think Ace is pathetic.
2:37:33
SPEAKER_02: I just don't have the same ability that he has.
2:37:36
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
2:37:36
SPEAKER_02: And I understand that as a weakness in myself, and I don't have that ability, and I'm okay with that.
2:37:41
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
2:37:41
SPEAKER_06: I wish I was.
2:37:42
SPEAKER_06: That's what I was saying.
2:37:43
SPEAKER_06: I was like, it's not, I don't think it's always a pathetic situation.
2:37:46
SPEAKER_06: Like, mind you, if this person is like a serial cheater where they're constantly gonna cheat and cheat and cheat, some people are not gonna take that.
2:37:52
SPEAKER_06: But if it happened a couple times and they're working on it, I think abuse is more telling than cheating, honestly.
2:37:58
SPEAKER_02: If a woman will stay with a guy that beats them, yeah, that's it.
2:38:02
SPEAKER_01: This is another thing.
2:38:03
SPEAKER_08: So what if it's the reverse role?
2:38:05
SPEAKER_08: Knowing the person that you're dating, if you know they have a history of a certain thing too, you also can't fully criticize them for everything.
2:38:12
SPEAKER_08: Because you know that something is.
2:38:13
SPEAKER_06: That's what he was saying about Kevin Hart with his wife, as his wife stayed.
2:38:17
SPEAKER_06: And he cheated on her while she was pregnant.
2:38:19
SPEAKER_08: But that's what does that make it better or worse?
2:38:21
SPEAKER_08: Worse.
2:38:22
SPEAKER_08: Why?
2:38:22
SPEAKER_06: That makes it worse.
2:38:23
SPEAKER_06: That makes it worse.
2:38:25
SPEAKER_10: Because she's over here.
2:38:26
SPEAKER_10: But she's over here carrying her freaking child.
2:38:29
SPEAKER_10: But that's what I'm saying.
2:38:31
SPEAKER_04: She is carrying your child, Zob.
2:38:34
SPEAKER_10: I like that shit.
2:38:37
SPEAKER_08: Exactly.
2:38:39
SPEAKER_10: We don't know that situation, but I'm gonna toss a balloon in the air.
2:38:42
SPEAKER_10: What if she was like during these nine months, you're not getting no pussy?
2:38:48
SPEAKER_06: Because I'm carrying your frickin' child.
2:38:50
SPEAKER_10: I didn't tell you that.
2:38:51
SPEAKER_10: What the fuck do you expect me to do for nine months, baby?
2:38:53
SPEAKER_10: You better jerk off.
2:38:54
SPEAKER_10: Yeah, you better be a kid.
2:38:56
SPEAKER_10: Yes.
2:38:57
SPEAKER_03: You know how hard it is to carry a child for nine months?
2:38:59
SPEAKER_03: How it changes your body forever?
2:39:01
SPEAKER_06: And you want to be like, oh, I can't fucking have sex with her.
2:39:05
SPEAKER_06: Are you kidding me?
2:39:06
SPEAKER_06: You know the things women have to do to have a baby.
2:39:09
SPEAKER_06: You don't have to hold your nut.
2:39:10
SPEAKER_06: You can jerk off.
2:39:11
SPEAKER_06: Get a fleshlight.
2:39:11
SPEAKER_06: Do whatever you need to do.
2:39:13
SPEAKER_06: Just don't fuck anybody.
2:39:15
SPEAKER_10: Tell me how female be thinking fleshlights are cheating because it's a different person.
2:39:18
SPEAKER_04: No, that's not cheating.
2:39:19
SPEAKER_10: So if I get a blow up doll, it's not cheating.
2:39:20
SPEAKER_10: No.
2:39:22
SPEAKER_06: It's a doll.
2:39:23
SPEAKER_06: That's fine.
2:39:24
SPEAKER_06: I think that's a good thing.
2:39:25
SPEAKER_06: Get your rocks off.
2:39:26
SPEAKER_06: Get your rocks off, but no, like, she's doing she's doing something that's really hard to do.
2:39:33
SPEAKER_06: It's not easy carrying a freaking child.
2:39:35
SPEAKER_06: Get out of here.
2:39:36
SPEAKER_10: The most you could do for me in that.
2:39:37
SPEAKER_10: Now she gotta carry on.
2:39:38
SPEAKER_10: And at least give me a blowjob and a haircut.
2:39:41
SPEAKER_06: So she gotta get on her knees and your blowjob.
2:39:44
SPEAKER_06: You gotta get on your knees.
2:39:45
SPEAKER_06: You should be catering to her.
2:39:48
SPEAKER_06: That's the difference.
2:39:49
SPEAKER_06: You shouldn't be so selfish.
2:39:51
SPEAKER_06: You shouldn't be so selfish.
2:39:52
SPEAKER_10: The little thing I asked for some pleasure at night.
2:39:54
SPEAKER_06: No, the little thing you asked for.
2:39:55
SPEAKER_06: To carry a child, then to come talk to you.
2:39:57
SPEAKER_02: Just to bring this topic for.
2:39:59
SPEAKER_02: I don't have exercises.
2:40:00
SPEAKER_02: Okay, that's another thing.
2:40:02
SPEAKER_02: I just want everybody's opinion.
2:40:03
SPEAKER_02: So you say it's pathetic.
2:40:04
SPEAKER_02: I feel like it's pathetic.
2:40:05
SPEAKER_02: I think that I don't have the ability to do so, but I respect the ones that do.
2:40:10
SPEAKER_10: I know I don't have the ability.
2:40:12
SPEAKER_02: Ace, how do you feel?
2:40:13
SPEAKER_10: I think you're cheating, you gone.
2:40:15
SPEAKER_08: I think I'm a broken puppy.
2:40:17
SPEAKER_08: Okay.
2:40:17
SPEAKER_08: And being a broken puppy, uh, it's not much that she could do that I wouldn't take it back for.
2:40:22
SPEAKER_02: And it's it's really noble that you would.
2:40:24
SPEAKER_06: But I I'll never do anything to you.
2:40:26
SPEAKER_06: Okay.
2:40:26
SPEAKER_06: That's why he says I'm coming here with the big thing.
2:40:30
SPEAKER_06: No, no, no.
2:40:31
SPEAKER_06: If this was anybody else, he'll probably say no, but I'm saying no.
2:40:35
SPEAKER_08: I'm a psycho, and there's not much that I can allow in my brain at certain times.
2:40:40
SPEAKER_08: So even just this mere thought, this decision, I'm on Instagram scrolling, so I'm not wholeheartedly in this conversation and get it tight.
2:40:47
SPEAKER_08: So I'm not saying I won't get angry loyal.
2:40:51
SPEAKER_08: It's just other things I've learned in life that allow me.
2:40:52
SPEAKER_08: Let's throw, let's throw one last multiple.
2:40:56
SPEAKER_08: How do you feel about the people?
2:40:57
SPEAKER_06: For me, I think it's the vows.
2:40:59
SPEAKER_06: It depends on the situation.
2:41:00
SPEAKER_06: So like I sort of respect people who can stay and you know, honoring their vows and are trying to work it out with their partner.
2:41:06
SPEAKER_06: Some people aren't worth that.
2:41:08
SPEAKER_06: So like again, it depends on the I think it depends on the situation, exactly.
2:41:11
SPEAKER_06: So like I'm not gonna, you know, sort of like what I don't know.
2:41:15
SPEAKER_08: In terms of like Jay-Z and Beyonce, like I don't know about that situation, but Jay-Z and Beyonce, I feel like uh that level of life that you should be able to do.
2:41:23
SPEAKER_08: But in terms of you want like both parties.
2:41:26
SPEAKER_06: They've built like they've built like this empire, so it's also hard.
2:41:29
SPEAKER_06: Like they both like this empire together.
2:41:31
SPEAKER_06: But I feel like what Kevin Hart did with his wife was a little pathetic.
2:41:34
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
2:41:34
SPEAKER_02: What did he do?
2:41:35
SPEAKER_06: He cheated on her while she was pregnant.
2:41:37
SPEAKER_02: So she should have left.
2:41:38
SPEAKER_02: I took her money.
2:41:42
SPEAKER_02: Maybe.
2:41:43
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
2:41:43
SPEAKER_10: She got him that way, so how should she go?
2:41:45
SPEAKER_10: It depends, yeah.
2:41:47
SPEAKER_03: It didn't just happen once.
2:41:48
SPEAKER_03: She wasn't with me shooting in the gym.
2:41:50
SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah.
2:41:51
SPEAKER_06: It was one time they got caught, like recorded.
2:41:53
SPEAKER_06: Mind you, you're a short ass nigga.
2:41:54
SPEAKER_06: Okay, so I'm lucky to have her.
2:41:56
SPEAKER_10: I'm gonna throw a monkey wrong.
2:41:57
SPEAKER_10: I'm gonna throw up.
2:41:58
SPEAKER_10: Big monkey wrench in this.
2:42:00
SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
2:42:00
SPEAKER_10: Hopefully, this is actually a good topic.
2:42:02
SPEAKER_10: You walk in on him cheating.
2:42:04
SPEAKER_10: You staying or leaving.
2:42:09
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
2:42:09
SPEAKER_02: She gotta think about her.
2:42:10
SPEAKER_02: I think it depends.
2:42:12
SPEAKER_02: Women are staying, bro.
2:42:13
SPEAKER_02: I promise you.
2:42:14
SPEAKER_02: Any woman walking on her cheat is low.
2:42:16
SPEAKER_02: Staying or leaving.
2:42:18
SPEAKER_02: He's on Instagram right now.
2:42:19
unknown: Yeah.
2:42:20
SPEAKER_02: You don't walk in?
2:42:22
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, that's hard.
2:42:22
SPEAKER_06: That's the thing.
2:42:23
SPEAKER_06: Had this conversation among you.
2:42:25
SPEAKER_06: It's different to when you're detached and you don't see it, but seeing it can have a different reaction.
2:42:31
SPEAKER_10: You walk in there smack.
2:42:33
SPEAKER_08: What you mean, walking in there smack?
2:42:34
SPEAKER_08: You're high, sir.
2:42:35
SPEAKER_08: Oh, that's probably the best chance you got at leaving the premise.
2:42:40
SPEAKER_06: I'm talking about my wife.
2:42:42
SPEAKER_06: I don't want to see what kind of work he's doing.
2:42:44
SPEAKER_06: Huh?
2:42:45
SPEAKER_06: If I catch you cheating.
2:42:47
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, she probably peeps in with the eyebrow up like, you ain't give me that move.
2:42:52
SPEAKER_08: That's really funny.
2:42:54
SPEAKER_08: Nah, but um, uh, if I walk in and it's happening, there's no telling how I'll react.
2:43:00
SPEAKER_10: So there's a possibility that you might just stay and get cucked.
2:43:03
SPEAKER_05: I feel like it's worse if he's eating her out.
2:43:05
SPEAKER_05: There's no possibility that it's like, I feel like it's worse.
2:43:09
SPEAKER_05: I feel like it's if he eats her out.
2:43:11
SPEAKER_05: I feel like it's worse.
2:43:13
SPEAKER_05: To me, it's worse.
2:43:14
SPEAKER_05: So it's worse.
2:43:15
SPEAKER_10: It's worse if you walk in and see him in her out that penetrating her.
2:43:18
SPEAKER_10: That's very intimate, man.
2:43:20
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, exactly.
2:43:20
SPEAKER_06: Because I think eating someone else is a little more is a little more intimate.
2:43:24
SPEAKER_06: It's all about you.
2:43:25
SPEAKER_06: Exactly, because it's not about you.
2:43:26
SPEAKER_02: You're not doing what you did.
2:43:29
SPEAKER_06: You're making it on my bed to go.
2:43:31
SPEAKER_06: I understand, but still, like, still, like that's something that should be reserved for your girlfriend.
2:43:35
SPEAKER_08: If I walked in, um, yeah, it's definitely not gonna continue after I see it.
2:43:41
SPEAKER_08: I'm not saying that I'm gonna kill him right then and there, but he's trespassing.
2:43:46
SPEAKER_02: You have every right to.
2:43:47
SPEAKER_08: Oh, I know.
2:43:48
SPEAKER_08: But me, I know my limits.
2:43:50
SPEAKER_08: I might just kill everybody in the room.
2:43:52
SPEAKER_06: So, because that's what I'm saying.
2:43:54
SPEAKER_08: If you see it, it's not after after someone has shown me what they rather do in life.
2:43:59
SPEAKER_08: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:43:59
SPEAKER_08: So you you know what I mean?
2:44:00
SPEAKER_08: Like, in in that sense, I have to think about myself.
2:44:04
SPEAKER_08: Self-preservation.
2:44:05
SPEAKER_09: All right.
2:44:06
SPEAKER_08: Do I want to be in jail for this?
2:44:07
SPEAKER_08: Nah.
2:44:07
SPEAKER_10: Nah.
2:44:08
SPEAKER_10: So if he's the in how you're tossing out the kid, tossing out everything, tossing out the bath for everything.
2:44:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:44:15
SPEAKER_02: Alright.
2:44:16
SPEAKER_08: No eating the kitty.
2:44:18
SPEAKER_02: I think um this has been another great installment of gas money.
2:44:21
SPEAKER_02: We talked about pretty much everything.
2:44:23
SPEAKER_02: I just want to give a PSA to our listeners.
2:44:25
SPEAKER_02: The the Now we have 21 listeners lit.
2:44:27
SPEAKER_02: Oh, our 21 listeners.
2:44:29
SPEAKER_08: I'm gonna like it so we get 27.
2:44:31
SPEAKER_08: So follow me on King Chubbs.
2:44:34
SPEAKER_10: My DM is open for females.
2:44:36
SPEAKER_10: Okay.
2:44:37
SPEAKER_02: Um what are the men?
2:44:38
SPEAKER_02: What do the men do?
2:44:39
SPEAKER_02: Y'all can just follow and be a number.
2:44:41
SPEAKER_02: Follow gas money.
2:44:42
SPEAKER_02: Alright, cool.
2:44:43
SPEAKER_02: So I just want to give a PSA.
2:44:44
SPEAKER_08: What your interjections and uh things you want to see being spoken about.
2:44:47
SPEAKER_08: Oh, that too.
2:44:48
SPEAKER_08: We we all take inquiries here.
2:44:52
SPEAKER_02: I just don't want niggas in my DMs.
2:44:54
SPEAKER_10: It's kind of awkward.
2:44:54
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
2:44:55
SPEAKER_02: Anyways, I just wanted to let the listeners know that we are actually going to Miami.
2:44:58
SPEAKER_02: So this will be the last episode before uh we're not.
2:45:04
SPEAKER_02: This is the last episode before we go.
2:45:05
SPEAKER_02: When are we gonna have the time to do that?
2:45:07
SPEAKER_02: Nigga, you can talk into the October.
2:45:10
SPEAKER_06: October 7th, there won't be an episode, right?
2:45:12
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
2:45:12
SPEAKER_02: So there'll be a few.
2:45:13
SPEAKER_02: But the following on the 14th.
2:45:15
SPEAKER_02: I think my girl's gonna roll through for that episode too.
2:45:17
SPEAKER_06: On the 14th?
2:45:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think so.
2:45:20
SPEAKER_02: This shall be funny.
2:45:21
SPEAKER_05: KO chos are about to age.
2:45:22
SPEAKER_05: I won't be the only uh female opinion.
2:45:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm gonna try to get her to bring a couple of other girls.
2:45:26
SPEAKER_10: We have FEMA's opinion, because I remember I called in a female and had them speak about that cheating topic.
2:45:32
SPEAKER_08: Alright, so we're we're also possibly gonna include the uh the Mangisa over here.
2:45:37
SPEAKER_08: So um my twin.
2:45:39
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I I was uh I didn't know what were though.
2:45:41
SPEAKER_08: We're gonna call it K dot for now.
2:45:43
SPEAKER_08: Alright, so we got K dot K O chocolate.
2:45:45
SPEAKER_09: K C K C K C K C dot?
2:45:48
SPEAKER_09: Yeah, no, K just K C no dot.
2:45:50
SPEAKER_09: K Casey.
2:45:51
SPEAKER_10: See, there's gonna be another K and then we're just gonna have the KKK.
2:45:54
SPEAKER_10: Remember Nicki Minaj?
2:45:55
SPEAKER_10: We're gonna have K the the the Kim's over here.
2:45:59
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
2:45:59
SPEAKER_02: All right.
2:46:00
SPEAKER_05: They don't own the letter K.
2:46:02
SPEAKER_02: Um, Zap is not here to take us out, and I hope Zap never returns.
2:46:05
SPEAKER_02: Um everybody have a blessed weekend.
2:46:06
SPEAKER_02: We're gonna be in Miami, bitch.