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Aidan Gallagher on Life After Umbrella Academy & Debut Album | Delulu with Ryan Lu #404 · Delulu with Ryan Lu

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Being a child actor, it's when everything about it is not
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normal. I had a job at nine years old
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and I was learning blocking and in front of cameras, like that's
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not a, it's not normal for a person.
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I was riding my bike around the Paramount lot on lunches and
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like, it's very, very strange and lucky thing to do from a
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young age. I grew up going to movies and
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being like, that's amazing. I wonder how they make those.
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And then I was on a set and they're like, hey, do you want
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you want to be in a scene? And then you see me playing
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handball on Modern Family and I was like, this is a lot of fun.
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And then I ended up on a television show on Nickelodeon
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for four years. Hello, 5 Lulus, and welcome back
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to Delulu with Ryan Liu and a very special welcome Today's
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guest He he is remotely Zooming in to the podcast as our first
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remote guest, but please welcome Aiden Gallagher.
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Hi, Aiden. Hello, Ryan.
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Thank you for having me. Aiden, we are so excited to chat
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and get into everything. You have such an expansive
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career and honest, you're so young too, but you started, you
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started incredibly young. You're super young.
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You're like, you're 22, right? Yes.
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That's crazy, I'm 29. There you go.
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That is so crazy. And you've had like a decade,
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over a decade in this industry. You sure?
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I guess so, yeah. Yeah, I don't think about it too
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much. You really don't, no.
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I find it better not to. I mean, that's how you survive,
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right? Yeah, one day at a time.
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There you go, there you go. Well, Aiden is an incredible
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actor. He is known for his role as #5
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on Umbrella Academy, but he is also an incredible
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singer-songwriter, artist. And we're going to get into
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everything, Aiden. And I'm particularly excited to
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talk about your debut album that you're coming out with.
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Yay. Are you going to play something
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on guitar? I feel like you have your guitar
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with you, or you did. So many things.
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Yeah, I got a little. This is not really sounds
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terrible. Sounds beautiful, I love that.
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Thank you, very pretty. Thank you for the delulu
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exclusive. You know Aidan, your fans have
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missed you. I feel like you've been super
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inactive on all your socials. You haven't posted in a while.
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I know you've been doing your vlogs on YouTube and as well as
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your Patreon, but where have you been?
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Here in this room and many other rooms like making a record, I've
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basically been going to college to how to make music.
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Have you really? Kind of it's a lot of trial and
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error until I get something that I'm like, I can live with that.
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Yeah, I'm the exact same way actually.
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I'm working on my project right now too.
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And I feel, I feel literally that I, I actively filmed the
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show, but when I'm not doing the show, I'm literally just in a
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studio, like minding my business.
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And I also feel like I'm very removed from social media, which
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is kind of funny and ironic because it is my career.
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To be fair, I don't post for myself.
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So like, everything's being handled while I'm doing that.
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But yeah, I think that I think your fans probably have missed
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you quite a bit. So this is so exciting that
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you're sitting down and chatting with us.
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Yeah, it's good to be getting out there and posting.
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I feel bad about like not connecting with people as much
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as you know, you can only do so many things.
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I mean, you're about to connect on a such a deeper level.
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I think putting out your own music, especially being self
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produced and self written, they're they're gonna learn so
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much more about you very quickly when this project drops too.
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It'll be good. I'll be getting out there again,
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yeah. Hell yeah.
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We're so excited about that. But I didn't.
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Like I said, you started in this industry so young.
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I think you started acting when you were 9 is what I saw.
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Yeah. So like what did you?
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I've never, I've never done a podcast before.
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Really. This is my first.
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First podcast, first album. This is our first.
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I feel very in a different environment right now.
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It's OK, we're just chit chatting.
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It's totally chill. But yeah.
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So you started acting very, very young.
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Did you know you wanted to act? Because I know you're so focused
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right now on your artist project and putting out your album, but
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you started with acting. Did you know you wanted to act
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or did you always just wanted to be an artist?
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Like what was kind of like the road map you had in your mind,
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especially at such a young age? I didn't think about it too
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much. I grew up with parents who were
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introducing me to a lot of things, so I was very lucky in
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that way. Yeah, that's super awesome.
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I was always like listening to the music in the car with my
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parents and. What kind of music?
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Just whatever was on the radio. A lot of rock alternative like I
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have memories of, like listening to Mr. Brightside or Lithium or
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something like as a very young kid just driving down the LA
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freeway. Would you say those like have
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influenced? I remember a memory of like
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listening to somebody I used to know by Goatee and thinking
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like, so good music has this incredibly powerful thing.
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Like it. When they say like it, it pulls
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on the heartstrings. That's I understood that in that
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moment. So that's I think your music is
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doing exactly that too. I feel like you have a lot of
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deaf on your project. I was very lucky to hear some of
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it, a lot of it, whatever it is right now.
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And I think what you're doing and how you write, like it's,
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it's so gorgeous. And I feel like even before
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speaking to you, I was like, I feel like I got to know you so
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much more just from hearing it too.
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Yeah, if you don't, I, I have to.
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That's the reason for doing it, is you have to feel something
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when you're writing it. And if like that's sort of the
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reason for finishing anything for me.
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I'm glad that you're also connecting to it. 100%, I agree
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with that. I actually have a lot of friends
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who are also artists and surprisingly, at least
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surprisingly to me, because the reason I want to do music is
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because I want to tell my story. I want to write my own songs and
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I want to be able to convey an emotion.
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But I have a lot of artist friends who tell me like they
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just want to sing, you know, I mean, they just want to perform.
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So it's really, really cool to be able to chat with someone
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who's self produced and also self writes all their own music.
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That's actually kind of unique for the guests that we have on
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the show. I feel like everyone he's is
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just like trying to do the pop star thing, which we all should
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do. I don't think there's anything
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wrong with that. Sounds like your friends enjoy
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the performing aspect. 100%. Every artist is different, you
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know? Definitely.
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Every artist is different. I think that's what's exciting
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about it too. It's like, I love how all my
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friends are in their own lane. I love that they make their own
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music. I love what they're doing and
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how they want to perform it, and I think that's what sets
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everyone apart. I don't think I've ever found
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anyone who's like a copy or super similar to someone else,
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especially here in LA. If you're connecting with it on
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a personal level, that seems to be that.
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That's my light in the storm for doing anything.
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If I if, if I don't think about anyone else, if I'm thinking
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about how I feel about it and what aspect I connect with, and
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I'm letting myself be led by honesty and interest, then it
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yeah, ends up working out, whatever it is.
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It completely reflects in your lyrics too, so I think you're
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absolutely nailing it. Thank you.
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Yeah, I'm terrible with compliments.
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I want to argue every single one.
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Oh, no, don't do that. I'm very complimentary.
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So it's going to be a long show. No, I'll be a long show.
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Yeah. OK, we'll, we'll meet in the
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middle. So you were out here, you're
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doing, you're acting, and you're in LA, but you're in Seattle
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right now. Yes, we moved back to Seattle a
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few years ago. What was the reason for the
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move? My mom has asthma and the fires
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were just too much. Was the final.
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Story. All right?
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Yes, absolutely. Yeah.
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Yeah, that totally makes sense. But like I'd also I'd I'd have
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memories of like on a personal note, moving up with them.
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They're lovely people. I want to spend as much time
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with them as I can. But as a kid, when I would
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imagine heaven, I pictured like trees and moisture and we came
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up here and it was like aha I. Oh, you kind of manifested that,
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yeah. Do you find more like if you're
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more at peace there than you were when you were in LA?
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Yeah, much more. That's so interesting because I
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feel like you spent a lot of time in LA and you're doing like
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the whole Hollywood thing and entertainment and acting.
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Yeah. Yeah, you like grew up in front
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of everyone as well, especially like being casted in these roles
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so young. It's in.
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It's a strange thing growing up with the Internet, Yeah.
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Isn't that crazy? And also knowing a lot of people
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watching you grow up too. Yeah, You know, everyone has the
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the very similar scenario these days where it's like, you know,
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there's just a bunch of you online figuring out yourself and
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figuring out life. And yeah, I think every
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generation has a different set of cards and it's not
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necessarily better or worse. It's just different.
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Yeah, it's. My feeling now at 22 years old.
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OK, so Aiden, when you were you begin acting, you were on a
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Nickelodeon show. Was this when you were?
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This was the first role you had when you were 9.
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Well, kind of I basically what happened is my father was in the
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industry. I grew up going to movies and
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being like, that's amazing. I wonder how they make those.
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And then I was on a set and they're like, hey, do you want
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to be in a scene? And then you see me playing
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handball on Modern Family. And I was like, this is a lot of
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fun. And then I ended up on a
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television show on Nickelodeon for four years, which is just,
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you know, as crazy as anything else in existence but.
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How was your experience as a child actor?
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Unusual. I really.
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I'm sure it's very similar to everyone else who's a child
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actor. So when you say, when you say
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being a child actor was unusual for you, like define unusual,
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what does that mean? Being a child actor, it's when
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everything about it is not normal.
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Like, definitely. Yeah.
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I don't, I, you know, I had a job at nine years old and I was
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learning blocking and in front of cameras.
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Like that's not a, that's not normal for a person.
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I was riding my bike around the Paramount lot on lunches and
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like, it's very, very strange and lucky thing to do from a
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young age. Like when you look back.
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But also there's this perception online which I think is accurate
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of like child actors having unusual childhood.
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Yeah, I mean, you seem so grounded and normal.
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Like honestly, I feel like that exactly.
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We were talking about the perception of child actors like,
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you know, going crazy or like, you know, going through whatever
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shit they deal with, etcetera. But like, I feel like talking to
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you. You seem so chill, you know?
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There's like 2 parts to me and one part is chill and OK with
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everything and the other part is like a very sensitive person
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which probably where the musical side helps wrangle the two
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together. That's awesome because I feel
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like that chill side can reflect in your acting and, you know,
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taking direction and then you can be sensitive and you could
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be vulnerable in your music. Yeah.
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I think that's a. Terrible response for a podcast.
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Yes, that's correct. That's a really strong
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dichotomy. I think that's really lucky
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that. By the way, I don't, I don't
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think like being a child actor of the experiences that I've had
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often lead to people being more normal.
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I think it is like a stranger relationship.
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I mean, everyone's having a strange childhood right now with
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the idea of social media and what that's doing, but.
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Right. You know, I'm definitely pretty
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sure a lot of the experiences that I've had people can relate
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to in their own way. Definitely, I think so.
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I think especially with this generation, like, you know,
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everyone can be a star now and everyone can be seen.
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And you know, whether you're on ATV show at 9 or you have TikTok
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and you're like a 12 year old kid making Tik Toks, right?
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Like the way that people are perceiving everything is so
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different and so magnified. It's, you know, pros and cons.
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It's like I can watch a Bowie interview from the 90s that I
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would have never otherwise seen. And I can also have like, every
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unflattering mistake that I've ever made figuring out life out
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there forever. Like it's a.
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Whole do you feel like you do have those moments that are out
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there that people can like, look back on that you probably how's
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that? How's living with that?
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Uncomfortable, but you get enough exposure to things to
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where it's all right or you look back on things differently.
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Probably depends on the thing, but it's.
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Yeah. Anyone who grows up posting on
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social media all of a sudden has like, looking back to like, Oh
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my gosh, I did that. Yeah, the digital footprint is
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crazy for sure. Yeah, I got that.
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I'll look back on myself and I'll see the things that I was
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saying and I was like, that's like a it gets so many layers
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into the tree of who I am that it almost looks like something
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different, like the way I was formulating thought.
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It's just weird. The Internet's It's a strange
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thing, A. Million percent, yeah.
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Same ZS. I mean, it's literally like my
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job and I'm, I'm like right there with you where I'm like
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the way people perceive you is also like so deeply out of your
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control. Like you can, you can try at the
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same time, it's like people are going to think whatever they
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think. People are going to feel
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whatever they feel. That's what I'm hoping.
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Like, you know, with music, that's what I'm hoping for, my
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music, and hopefully with yours as well, that this is like me
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being like the most me I can be that people can dive into and
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digest. How do you approach lyrics?
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Personal. I really, really think for me,
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my lyrics need to be personal and specific.
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I always tell myself, like if I'm writing a song about
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someone, they need to know it's about them.
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So I'm going to reference like them's their specific things or
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specific experiences we share together.
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I'm a very conceptual writer, so I like to work around a concept,
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etcetera. I think the way I write is like,
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you know, I had so many collaborators where I go into
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sessions and they were like, this is way too specific.
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This is way too personal. No one's going to relate.
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It's not universal enough. And I'm like, I don't, I don't
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want people to relate. I want to tell my story.
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And I think that's how I am as an artist.
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I want to tell my story versus like, tell us something that
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everyone can like be like, yes, me too.
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And honest to God, I'm shockingly enough, like I find
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the most personal songs are the ones that people relate the most
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to. What about your approach to
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songwriting? I, I think we're similar in that
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you're, you're going with what you feel is right and because
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you, you feel like, no, this is how it should be.
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It's like you're observing there's something there that
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other people, I think no matter what you do, especially in like
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music or art, if you, if you feel it's the right thing, then
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it's valid. Because even if no one else gets
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it, there's one person who's saying, no, this is this is
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worth it. Yes, absolutely.
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I genuinely really connect with that.
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I think there's no right or wrong way to make a song.
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There's no right or wrong way to write a song.
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I think it really comes down to who the artist is.
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And I think especially going into making my own project and
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listening to all my friends and listening to music in general,
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it's like, I really genuinely love how everyone approaches
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their music. And I, I find it so uniquely
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different And how people make the music is so uniquely
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different. Like even talking to you like
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you're doing it yourself on your 2019 MacBook that you have to
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cool down. Like it's, it's, that's like,
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you know, like everyone, everyone does it differently.
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And I think that's so exciting, that's so fun.
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Yeah, it's, I think everything's sort of like a collage of
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everything else and you just pick out the things that you
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like the most and it informs you like you're probably, I, I would
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imagine you're looking at how your friends make music and
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you're like, oh, that's that's cool, I'm going to try that.
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Or I understand why that's working for you, but for me and
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the way I'm wired, that would throw me off.
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But you end up with a combination of things that
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you're like, yeah, this is working and this.
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Is very observational, analytical too.
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Like I do like to break down what my friends are doing or
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just like I see my friends, I'm in LA, like a lot of my friends
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are artists and they release music and I love their music so
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much. But then also like when I listen
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to just music in general and other people's music, I think
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they're like, oh, that's an interesting choice they made.
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I like that. Or I, I maybe not would not have
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necessarily done that for me, but it completely works for
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them. And I think that's the beauty of
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like everyone being their own artist, too.
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And that's why you're able to. Accept my music.
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Like the analytic from the enjoyment I have zones.
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Not recently. I think for me because I'm in,
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I'm like really deep into making my project.
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When I, when I listen to anything, I'm I'm literally like
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picking apart the stems in my mind where I'll be like here's
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the base. I see it in my head.
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I visually see like the Ableton or the Logic and I see the stems
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being separated in my head. It's so crazy now.
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And I like, analyze everything or be like, I really like that
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drum powder. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna make
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note of that or so like, my enjoyment of music is so
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different. Now.
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Let's get into your, the scope of your career.
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So you acted, you start acting very, very young.
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You're on a Nickelodeon show for four years, and then you got
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casted in your breakout role as #5 on Umbrella Academy.
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How was that experience? It's been a couple years since
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the show wrapped up. Well, you know, the crazy thing
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about that show is like I auditioned for it like a week
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after the Nickelodeon show ended.
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Like it was something crazy in terms of the to leap from that.
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Timing. Yeah.
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Yeah, absolutely. And it's like.
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Drastic. Drastically different role.
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Yeah, a lot of fun too. It's a lot to manage, but fun.
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I felt like I was failing to do it justice the whole time, but
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that's me. Do you feel like that's an
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impostor syndrome for yourself because you were a fan favorite
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the show did so well? Absolutely.
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It's hard to be. Very, very particular and also
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be happy. Oh shit that's so deep.
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Where do you find your happiness then?
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You know, music is like a huge source of the meaning.
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Like I often feel that music can feel for me in a time where I'm
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struggling to unpack certain things or like I'm still
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processing things. Like music has just been this
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huge anchor in my life. And you know, family does that
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to to a stronger extent. But music's there to like
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basically score different moments that can it can go in
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contrast to what you're feeling. It can reinforce.
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It's just been really, really powerful.
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And when you make something it's it's a similar version of that,
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but it's feels more 100% capsule of a memory or a feeling or
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something. I was literally going to say,
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Bridget Mendler says. I like making songs or like time
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stamps of like what you're going through.
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And that's how I feel too. Because like a lot of stuff that
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I'm doing on my project, that's how I felt then.
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And I definitely don't feel that way now, but I'm like, that's
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how I felt then. And I think there's such a
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beauty in that, too. Do you still, do you look at the
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songs as a third because of this is what I do.
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I, I sort of, if enough time goes by, I end up relating to
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the song in a different way. And so I especially for this
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record, I've tried to like. Yeah.
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In the lyrics tried to keep things open to where they're
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distract, but they also feel personal.
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And if you'd really go diving into it, you can't necessarily
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know exactly what's going on, but it's it's I try to get the
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emotion to come through and that way.
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I definitely caught that in your writing.
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Yeah, I, I feel that way, especially listening to because
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I feel like you're specific, but I can't pinpoint what even is
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exactly happening. I feel like the way you write
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feels very abstract. There's a lot of introspection,
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especially on songs like Dream. So I think stuff like that, it's
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like a peek into, you know, your psyche and.
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The way that people can relate a lot.
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I'm in there somewhere. Same.
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I'm very, I'm very conceptual, like I like to start off a
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concept and I like to write around a metaphor and.
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Have you, have you written a concept record or like inside of
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songs you're doing this? I consider my album to be a
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dream. It's like the most romanticized
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version of how I feel and my reactions a dream.
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It's also like just, I'm so dramatic as a person and I
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romanticize everything. I romanticize misery.
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I'm romanticize, you know, sadness.
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I romanticize love. I romanticize a crush.
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I romanticize like a touch like, and I feel like this is the most
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dramatic version of myself, but it's like my inner thoughts.
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It's like literally how I feel. This is how I perceive
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everything because I'm so dramatic and everything's like a
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big deal to me and like, et cetera.
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And I think that's what my project is.
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And I, I, the album plays like a dream and I think sonically it
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plays like a dream. The sounds I chose are meant to
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indicate that this is a little different.
21:40
You're not awake right now. And it follows this, it follows
21:44
the storyline of we're dreaming and we're going through what
21:48
Ryan experiences as a dream. And I'm really excited.
21:52
Every song transitions into each other.
21:54
So they're in, they're intentionally like placed.
21:57
Everything's like meant to be where it is.
22:00
I'm excited for you to. Listen to it.
22:02
It's a concept record as well. A little bit.
22:05
It's very autobiographical. It's it's a coming of age album
22:08
for me, but it's shifted into a more sad album as I'm, I'm
22:13
writing in real time. So like everything I'm writing
22:15
right now is what I'm experiencing right now, what I'm
22:16
dealing with right now. So it's shifting a little bit,
22:18
but I'm curious to see how it ends up because I want to have
22:22
it be, you know, just an album really excited about It's a
22:27
loose concept album. The loose concept is this is a
22:29
dream. And also this is ATV show is
22:32
what all is my my last tease. Not ATV show, so that you would
22:37
see on TV sitcom, if you will, That's mine.
22:41
What about? What about your project?
22:42
Picturing David Byrne's promotional material for I think
22:46
that was some talking heads that I forgot.
22:49
I Ryan, I'm going. To have to look into that.
22:51
I don't know if you're going to hate this or or love this.
22:53
I was laughing the whole time you said that because I've done
22:55
the same thing exactly. No, you're kidding.
22:58
I'm happy I said it first, then yours is Yours is a dream.
23:01
OK, So this record in terms of like how tied it is to the
23:07
second record which I have also written?
23:11
Oh my gosh. I I would like people to
23:13
interpret things. This thing is sort of a concept,
23:16
but looser. The second one is almost exactly
23:20
what you've described, where it's you're not sure what's
23:25
reality. I want to hear.
23:26
That dealing with grief and things and yeah.
23:30
Interesting. Wait, that's so exciting.
23:32
But I'm really interested in like your experience also like
23:35
writing a concept record because the second one was like the
23:40
first thing where it was like a more structured anything.
23:44
I'm curious if you've already done it before, like what, what
23:47
does that look like for you? Because I.
23:50
It. Was like a discovery for each
23:51
song, figuring out how things would tie in.
23:54
And you know, I didn't know that I could pull it off.
23:58
Let's talk about, let's talk about Umbrella Academy.
24:00
I feel like let's talk about Umbrella Academy.
24:02
All right? OK, so how was playing #5?
24:06
Can you be any more specific because there's like so much?
24:09
What's the T? What's the tea?
24:12
Well, the tea was English breakfast for the last season
24:15
with some oat milk. That was the tea.
24:18
That sounds like good tea. It is good tea.
24:20
It's the perfect work beverage because you're like caffeinated.
24:23
This is not this is not like juicy news or anything, but it's
24:28
too. Great beverage.
24:29
I don't know. Excited and calmed at the same
24:31
time. Very incredibly well done PR
24:34
answer. Like honestly, something that's
24:36
beyond something I'm capable of answering.
24:39
What so? If someone asks you about drama
24:42
like. Oh, I would, I would name names.
24:45
I would name names. I would, I would, I would really
24:48
get into it like like I actually have a lot to say about that and
24:51
I would love to talk about it, but.
24:54
My point of view is like everyone's doing the best with,
24:57
you know, their genetics and their surroundings, and it's I
25:00
try and be forgiving, even if you're.
25:03
So, so sweet and empathetic and that's honestly such a great
25:06
quality. And you're just even speaking to
25:08
you this entire time. Like yes, it's been really
25:10
messy, but also it's just like it's so nice to get to know you
25:13
and like, you know, like congratulations to your parents.
25:16
You're so well raised because like I have to keep reminding
25:18
myself that you're so young, but you're so.
25:20
Thank them for you. Yes, thank you.
25:24
I, I got a lot of work to do. Like I, I need some, I need some
25:28
good time with a therapist. I'm sure there's, there's kinks.
25:31
I got to work out compliments to start.
25:34
I got to learn to accept a compliment.
25:36
Well, get used to the compliments because I think when
25:38
this music comes out and the music drops and the album comes
25:40
out, you're probably going to be getting an influx of that.
25:42
I know like a lot of your. Fans, I'll put my in ears in.
25:45
I won't hear anything. Oh, you got to take them out.
25:49
You got to hear it. You got to accept it because
25:50
it's a great body of work and you should accept the
25:52
compliments here. I'm.
25:53
I'm very similar to you, actually.
25:55
Like, I I get so shy about compliments.
25:58
Like when people compliment me, I get really like, like, Oh my
26:01
God, stop. Don't look at me.
26:02
You know what I mean? Like, I I tell my team
26:04
exclusively. I'm like, guys, I know you want
26:07
to praise me, but maybe we just need to keep it a little.
26:09
Yeah, we just need to keep it, you know.
26:11
It's like hot potato, right? It's like, yeah, come on.
26:15
Yeah, exactly. I don't know what to do with it.
26:18
Right. We just got to get used to it
26:20
though. Or therapy.
26:22
I think that might be the solution that for.
26:25
Me might help you get used to it, you know.
26:27
Yeah, it's, it's another thing is like, well, I, I need the
26:30
time, so that's another. Excuse, absolutely.
26:33
That's what I say all the time too.
26:35
That's why I don't really see my therapist as often as I should.
26:38
But. There you go.
26:40
Do you feel like #5 you did therapy?
26:43
Oh, man, everyone in that show, every single character, that
26:47
whole show is like, you know, it's written by Gerard Wayne
26:51
that the idea of the comic it was based on is like
26:54
dysfunctional family, like superheroes.
26:57
It's a little bit like dealing with fame and the quirks of
27:00
that. But I don't think in that world
27:02
they had an Internet. But it's like this broken,
27:04
dysfunctional family, all different personalities, like
27:08
completely different genetics from all over the world.
27:11
And how do we wrestle with that and still be there for each
27:15
other despite everything that's wrong?
27:17
So yeah, you know, therapy, I'm sure helped.
27:20
But what's nice is in the show you see people wrestling with
27:25
everything and also still finding a way to be there for
27:28
each other. Yeah, absolutely.
27:31
And you know, what's interesting too is like, you know, being 22,
27:35
you were on the show for seven years.
27:36
You've given 1/3 of your life to Umbrella Academy.
27:40
It's weird to think about it like that, but yeah.
27:42
Isn't that crazy? I was literally doing the math
27:43
in my head. I was like, wait, that's like,
27:46
that's a good chunk of your life already, right?
27:49
Do you feel your age? I don't feel any age right now
27:52
in this. Part of No, no, I I don't feel
27:55
my age, genuinely. Actually, I think I'm
27:57
perpetually 24, if I'm being honest.
27:59
Like, yeah. I think a lot of people either
28:06
feel a certain age or don't worry about it.
28:09
Like I'd I think it's a weird you do catch up, it seems.
28:14
I remember there's a while that's like, I've at a very
28:18
young age, I felt like 30 year olds have the exact personality
28:23
type and way of life. Like I can I can get on with
28:25
that and then somewhere. You're like an old soul.
28:29
Yeah, recently though in somewhere in my like still very
28:33
early 20s now, but somewhere in that transition, I stopped
28:37
feeling, stopped looking forward to birthdays and not like a
28:42
negative thing, but just not excited because and I just
28:47
stopped associating with ages and you know, I like honestly
28:52
looking at the person I try to. Pass things.
28:56
Yeah, me too. I'm right there with you.
28:58
Like, I don't really, especially in Lai feel like time stops
29:02
here. Like all time stops here, you
29:03
know? It LA is a time cap.
29:05
It's like this giant snow globe of LA Ness.
29:09
It's. Such a world, it's such a world.
29:12
Do you miss LA? Do you miss acting?
29:14
Do you miss being on sets? Yes, I'm a very nostalgic person
29:18
and I miss every part of my life, good and bad.
29:21
LA is part of that. But I'm also like, like, I love
29:25
the moisture and and the trees of Seattle.
29:27
I, we were mentioning, I don't know if this is on the podcast
29:31
or not, but we were talking about Seattle.
29:33
Yeah. Yeah, No, I I think that's also
29:35
really special. Come back to Lai think I will
29:39
you. I mean, you're so young.
29:40
And we'll take them out. Honestly, it'll be great. 100%
29:43
yes. I I think that'd be so exciting.
29:46
I want to talk about everything that we cannot talk about on
29:48
here. But yeah, I think you also have
29:51
so much time to even return and like, you know, take on new
29:53
projects too. Like, that's actually really
29:55
nice to know because I know right now you're so deeply
29:58
ingrained in your album project and putting out your music and,
30:02
you know, locking in on making and finishing the project right
30:05
now too. Yes, right.
30:07
What do you? Think it inspired you for this
30:09
project? I didn't this is AI didn't like
30:13
set out to make an album. I've been playing instruments
30:19
since I was I think like 9 years old was the first day I learned
30:24
piano and then guitar at 11. And it just it's been a part of
30:29
my life, even listening to the radio and and music and
30:31
connecting with it. But the writing of songs is sort
30:35
of like a therapeutic thing where you're sitting alone with
30:39
a guitar in a bathroom because the acoustics are nice and you
30:44
play something accidentally and it makes you feel something, and
30:47
you go, yeah. You're like, let's run with.
30:49
This yeah. So the song sort of fall out of
30:52
that and then you're dealing with the skill of like, how do I
30:57
structure this in a way and guide it to the best place that
31:02
it it could be. And often that's the place that
31:05
makes you feel the strongest connection to it.
31:10
And yeah, it's sort of the album sort of progressed like this.
31:15
Ryan, I I do apologize. So I've forgotten your initial
31:17
question on my long term. That was that was it like what
31:20
inspired you? And it's exactly that, like
31:23
going through the process of. The songs inspire each other and
31:26
the emotion inspires the songs. Yeah, and I think you can hear
31:31
it and it translates really well, like I said.
31:33
And what we're talking about earlier, where it's like you
31:36
write, I think, from a very emotional and specific place,
31:39
but it's also ambiguous enough that it doesn't feel too
31:44
pigeonholed in one certain time, 1 certain aspect or one certain
31:47
experience. And I think that's actually a
31:48
really unique way to write too. I want everyone to have their
31:51
own pigeonhole of the song. I want everyone to think they
31:55
know exactly what it's about. That's interesting.
31:58
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That makes sense because they're
32:01
really personal. I'm you're singing about a
32:03
person on a lot of these. Am I?
32:07
There's a pronoun in there. There's things that reoccur,
32:11
don't they? Yes, yes, I noticed that.
32:15
Well, I want to talk about your first single for the project
32:18
without you. It is.
32:19
I told you prior to the show starting, that is my favorite
32:22
one out of the songs I've heard. I think it's so lush and pretty
32:28
and I think it's well written. I think it's so exciting.
32:30
I'm excited to listen to it again after we wrap this, but
32:33
let's talk about it without you. Songs, one of the few songs on
32:36
the album that people have heard before, so they have a
32:40
familiarity with it and oh, they're.
32:42
Probably going to be really excited that's coming down.
32:44
Yeah, that's why it's the first single is to sort of give people
32:48
an in between of something they're familiar with, with a
32:51
production aesthetic which sort of teases the rest of the
32:54
record. Yeah, I love that.
32:56
But the lyrics of the song are like, you know, they, they're
33:01
heartbreaking to me. Like I, I still, it's a heavy
33:04
thing for me. It's a pop production.
33:07
But when I play that song acoustically, I think that's how
33:11
I would do it live. Still do the acoustic version
33:14
because it just. Yeah.
33:16
It gets a different thing. I would argue a lot of the songs
33:20
that I've heard really sound like they come from a place of
33:24
hurt, you know, like introspection.
33:26
So I think that's really interesting and that's what I
33:28
find curious too. Just talking to you, you know,
33:32
like what's going on there? Like where, where are these
33:36
coming from? How is this coming about for
33:38
you? I'll sit with an instrument and
33:43
for enjoyment, and then something will happen by
33:46
accident. It'll make me feel something.
33:48
I'll discover it. I'll find the lyrics that
33:51
parallel with the emotion that the chords are creating and it's
33:55
sort of like, it's like digging up a a dinosaur bone or
33:59
something. Like you're discovering what the
34:01
thing can be and you're finding your truthful connection to it.
34:06
But if Phineas has some great quote that I'm at best I'm
34:12
paraphrasing, but it's it's like something like not getting in
34:17
the way of a good song just because you know, you're saying
34:21
the word 2 years, but really it was 5 like.
34:25
You know what I mean. I haven't heard.
34:27
The emotional truth is there. You're doing the thing that you
34:29
need to. Interesting that I'm that's
34:32
really interesting for me. I feel like for me it has to be
34:35
exactly the right thing. But like, that's a really,
34:38
that's a new perspective for me. I think I'm going to make note
34:41
of that when I continue to move forward.
34:42
This is interesting to me as well.
34:44
We were talking earlier about you and, and your writing and
34:48
you having instincts about doing it in a specific way.
34:53
And it makes me want to hear the music because I come at it from
34:55
a different angle. So I'm you're going to be making
34:59
something that's like new to me in a very fun way to interact
35:06
with. But I know you're.
35:07
Listening. You're talking about him.
35:11
I have I have something interesting that you said
35:13
actually, you were talking about how like, you know, beginning
35:16
the process of making these songs.
35:17
You'll like pick up an instrument and like you'll find
35:19
enjoyment out of that. I like the consistency because
35:22
actually in 2019 with 17, you did an interview and you
35:26
actually said that for you playing an instrument will make
35:30
you happy for like an hour. And that's something that you
35:31
can always return to and find back and now see how it evolves
35:34
into like continuing on with your own project and making
35:37
music that makes you feel something that I think that's
35:39
really, really, really cool. And I think we can all hear it.
35:41
Like what? I'm excited for everyone to hear
35:43
this project too. Me too.
35:45
Yeah. Also I wanted to ask, like you,
35:49
you don't necessarily recall the last time you released music.
35:52
Per my research, it was around 2020.
35:54
It has been years since you formally put out anything and
35:58
even when you did formally put out music, you only have like 6
36:01
songs out on Spotify. But now you're coming back full
36:05
swing full length album. Like why is now the time to drop
36:09
this project? With these group of songs, I
36:16
felt attached to them. I don't want to compare it to
36:20
parenthood because it's I used to.
36:25
Feel that way when? People were raising.
36:26
My children, yes. When artists would be like,
36:29
these are my children, I'd be like, what the hell?
36:30
But no, they are my children. It might not be exactly the
36:36
right metaphor to for to help translate it, but the idea is
36:41
like you're, you want to see an outcome of like equivalence to
36:51
the potential. Basically, you have a song, you
36:54
care about it a lot, you have a personal connection and you want
36:57
the best for it. It's basically 100%.
36:59
So for me and like releasing this record after so much time
37:03
of releasing music, there's six things out.
37:10
The last three I had a heavier hand in the production of and
37:16
overall I felt I had more success with in terms of getting
37:20
the emotional connection closer with the fan.
37:25
I just felt it was a stronger bond on the last three, so I've
37:29
taken the time on this one to. You want to access that?
37:33
Yeah, figure out how do I what's needed in the construction so
37:38
that the acoustic demo when it's produced out feels the same way
37:43
for me as it will for other people, even if they were
37:46
relating it to their lives. Like I want that connection with
37:49
them if we're both looking at this thing that makes us feel a
37:52
certain way if it's hard. I genuinely really love that.
37:55
I love hearing that. I think especially when it comes
37:58
to like being intentional about what you want the music to serve
38:01
and taking your time with it, because I'm such a firm believer
38:04
in not rushing art, I think that a lot of art can suffer when
38:08
things don't get the time that it needs.
38:10
So I think that's really good that you that you really, really
38:13
thought about it and it meant something to you to get it
38:16
right. Well, it's also fun for me on a
38:19
technical level, knowing how to construct things like the next
38:22
record that I'm going to make is exciting because I feel as
38:27
though I know I'm what I'm doing now.
38:29
And so things will be a lot quicker and closer to the
38:32
intent. This, this is my, this record is
38:35
like each song is my baby that I want to raise well, and I
38:38
finally figured out how to do that.
38:40
I'm excited for your project. So we heard another song on the
38:44
album Dream. It is so different from.
38:48
Without you. It's, it's more rock leaning,
38:51
gives more alternative. The lyrics feel like they're,
38:57
they're so introspective to me, and they're kind of jarring a
39:00
little bit, you know? Where did the dream come about?
39:04
That's, well, like without you and everything else that came
39:09
out of the chord progression. I was playing piano and I played
39:16
some in. I'm trying to avoid technical
39:18
terms. Please, by all means, you're,
39:21
you're absolutely welcome to say whatever you want.
39:24
You're free to say whatever you want.
39:25
You're free to say whatever you want.
39:27
I well, I'm a vessel right now. Yeah, Dream on a lyrical level
39:34
again, is like feels very specific, even if it's a
39:38
metaphor for another thing. And yeah, that is the most
39:42
conceptual song on the record in terms of world.
39:44
Oh, for. Sure.
39:46
I I think it's also very on track too.
39:49
It's like a very long 1, you know?
39:50
That's expansive. It might be the long.
39:53
Oh, you're hilarious. And thank you, Ryan.
39:56
You're like, I'm going to tie this all together.
39:58
It'll be beautiful. Look.
39:59
That was unintentional, but when I caught it, I was like, oh.
40:03
Well, I mean, this is also another thing about the record
40:06
which I do think is worth people knowing.
40:10
Like a lot of the chord progressions for me that I was
40:13
discovering as I was making this record.
40:18
Like the geometry that I would see when I would play the chord
40:21
progressions looked like it was breaking reality.
40:23
Like it did just the chord progressions because of whatever
40:26
key they were in. Yeah.
40:29
It just felt like something else and that was the initial use of
40:35
the word expansion and later tied it into other things on the
40:38
record and it means a lot of different things, but. 100%.
40:42
Dream is the best example of like the chords explaining what
40:47
I'm talking about right now and that's where the lyrics came
40:50
from as well as like how do I I think I played like something
40:58
which is called chromatic. Most of the time in music,
41:01
you're going up by two notes, and Dream has a thing that goes
41:04
up by one note and it. Felt.
41:07
Very specifically odd and. Yeah.
41:11
And it's it's interesting Ryan help process too.
41:13
Yes, that's no, you're right. That is traumatic.
41:17
All right, yes, yes, you're absolutely right.
41:19
I actually I think it's I think it's really interesting to have
41:21
things that are intentionally like a little jarring tune,
41:25
especially in music. And you know what's interesting
41:27
when you're talking about the the project itself and the
41:30
concept of expansion, like you really explore a lot of
41:34
different sounds and Sonic identities on this project while
41:37
maintaining this cohesion, which I think is really impressive.
41:40
But it feels cinematic, it feels dreamy, it feels alt, it feels
41:44
pop, it feels singer-songwriter, but it's all still there and
41:48
still very 8. And your DNA is so ingrained in
41:50
all the music, which I think that's something that people are
41:53
going to really connect with. So I'm excited for all this to
41:56
come out too, and I'm excited that you're talking about it.
41:58
Well, I'm very glad to hear you say these things because it was
42:01
always my intent that they come across and you never know, you
42:04
know? Yes, absolutely.
42:06
It's it's nice to feel when you have the intention to be
42:09
recognized 100%. I, I want this record,
42:13
especially it being so long since like a previous release.
42:15
I want it to set the groundwork, like set a perimeter of like
42:21
texture and like genre. Because I don't think about
42:25
genre. I'm blending whatever I like to.
42:27
Get there's a world building for yourself too.
42:29
Yeah. So this is like there's.
42:34
I love you, Ryan. Thank you.
42:37
I love you so much more. But it it's, it's like a
42:40
perimeter of of sonically in the different places I'm going to
42:43
explore in future records. Like some of my favorite music
42:47
is basically woven in there on a genre level and you know why?
42:51
There's like 3 different types of sounds that you hear.
42:54
But that's also really, really, really cool.
42:56
You know, Lord on Pure Heroin, her debut album.
42:58
She had no organic instruments on that album until the closing
43:02
track of The World Alone, where she puts on a guitar.
43:05
And then it feeds into her next album, Melodrama, which begins
43:08
with actual organic instruments. Yeah, it was a lot of
43:10
programming on her debut, and then similarly enough, Ke$ha on
43:14
her debut album Animal. She ends with title track
43:17
Animal, and she purposely made it so it could feed into the
43:21
next project. And I think this what you're
43:23
doing, it's just like the greats have done it and it's so
43:27
intentional and people are going to recognize that.
43:29
So moving from expansion into whatever comes next, I think
43:32
that's going to be so cool for your fans and just any listener
43:35
to be able to see that natural evolution and everything that
43:37
you're talking about. Thank you, Ryan.
43:40
Yeah, it's exciting. It is I'm I'm extra excited.
43:45
I never feel the right things at the right time.
43:47
I end up realizing later. And so I'm, I'm in like I'm in
43:53
the center of it right now and I'll be able to see the storm
43:57
when I'm outside of it. That's how it feels.
43:59
I feel that way too I think, especially working through
44:02
everything I'm working on, right?
44:04
Now I was just thinking about you, but this is like hearing a
44:07
storm. Oh, we got.
44:11
We got to get it so everyone could hear it.
44:14
Oh my gosh. I want to hear them too.
44:18
They should be part of the podcast.
44:19
I wish they were, I wish they were.
44:22
They would love this and they would be more forgiving for how
44:27
I'm engaging. But talk about the world
44:31
building of the project. What do you think they're?
44:36
What do you think your fans from Umbrella Academy are gonna react
44:39
to your music? Like, do you feel like you have
44:42
any nuances from your character #5 going into this project, I
44:48
think previously, you know, you had a song time, and I feel like
44:52
a lot of people tied that into your character on the show.
44:56
It was written that way. Would #5 have liked your album?
45:00
Oh man, you know, I would love to, I would love to ask like
45:06
Gerard more about #5's musical taste.
45:10
I'm sure it would have been informed by whatever record he
45:13
had. That character spent like 45
45:16
years in an apocalyptic wasteland alone and whatever
45:21
music he was able to find I think would have been the
45:24
influencing factor because he was like, I think it in the
45:28
comic it might not be this, but in the show it went from like 13
45:32
to to like 58 or some year before.
45:35
That's right. Yeah.
45:38
That's a really interesting way to play a character too.
45:40
Like also literally being a child mentally playing an adult,
45:43
you know? Yeah, it's, it's odd.
45:47
More prep work involved probably.
45:49
Definitely. I mean you slayed it.
45:51
Thank you. You slayed it.
45:53
We love. Would you ever want to do like
45:56
would you want to see the show come back and any capacity,
45:58
would you be down to do it again?
46:00
I I think as an animated show, it would free up the show to be
46:08
like it wouldn't you'd be able to do comic book stuff that we
46:12
couldn't do in a live action show like it would you can be
46:15
more creative. I think it would be a more comic
46:18
book Y version so. And you would want to be part.
46:21
Of me, if they decide to do like an animated version I would love
46:25
that. Yeah, I think that'd be really
46:27
cool. That's actually really that's a
46:29
cool idea, especially because it's it comes from a comic book.
46:31
Yeah. Also, if Gerard ends up doing
46:34
anything else that isn't comic book related and he asks, it's
46:38
an automatic yes. Yeah, well, that goes into my
46:41
next thing. So putting out this album,
46:43
working on music right now. Like, what else is next for
46:46
Aidan Gallagher? Like, what else do you want to
46:47
do? What are you trying to pursue
46:48
right now? Do you have any projects you
46:50
want to talk about? It's this record we're putting
46:53
together the entire release plan of it and how a tour is going to
46:59
look and all of that. And then right after that it's
47:02
going to be jumping into a second record.
47:05
The the first record on the second record conceptually are
47:07
sort of tied together a little bit.
47:09
Absolutely. Yeah.
47:11
So what won't be another six year wait?
47:13
For the next, no, well, this, you know, those six years is me
47:18
using YouTube and trial and error to figure out how to, you
47:23
know, write and then arrange and then perform all the instruments
47:27
and engineer it and produce it. And then I like, I just, I took
47:31
on too much responsibility because I, you know, find lovely
47:34
people to collaborate with. I have so many people to
47:37
recommend you but also. You got a jam.
47:39
Thing, Oh my God, absolutely. I would love to.
47:42
I think being an independent artist is putting on all those
47:45
roles and hats and what I actually do think to in my scope
47:49
of where I am in Los Angeles and all my artist friends and
47:53
everything, and the music I listen to.
47:54
Like, it is so nice to hear your project and hear how like
47:57
genuinely raw it is to see that's not necessarily like
48:00
being filtered through a million people.
48:02
This is genuinely like. It's you fashion project, yeah.
48:07
It's, it's just so well done. So congratulations on the album
48:10
and we're so excited to hear it. And we're excited to hear the
48:12
next one too. I'm very curious about the next
48:14
one. We had similar similar loose
48:16
concepts. Like I said, we got a gym, it'd
48:20
be a lot of fun. Oh yeah?
48:22
Oh my God. Seriously, come to LA like we
48:24
want you back here. We'll do.
48:26
I will be back. I don't know when but I will be
48:28
back. And when you're back, you'll sit
48:30
on this couch and we'll have like a very well done episode.
48:35
Yes. We really miss you on Umbrella
48:37
Academy and we miss seeing you act and being on the screen.
48:39
Do you have any other acting projects that you're interested
48:41
in that you're pursuing right now?
48:42
Any other things that you want to do or is it just focusing on
48:45
the music and the rollout right now?
48:47
Well, the the lovely thing and the thing that makes it more
48:51
rare about, you know, film and television is it's like a
48:55
collaboration of hundreds of people.
48:57
And so, yeah, you're really like, in the same way that it
49:01
would be with music, like a session player, like you're
49:04
helping someone else make a thing.
49:06
Yeah. So yeah, yeah, absolutely.
49:09
If that comes along and I I think I can help, I'm game.
49:13
But in the meantime, I love the ability to, you know, I have
49:17
music and all these different aspects of like piano, guitar,
49:21
like the ability to create things yourself is the same.
49:25
I love that too. Someone would feel painting a
49:27
canvas or something. 100%, that's actually how I feel.
49:31
I love the process of making music.
49:32
I even love. I love all of this too.
49:35
But yeah, Aidan, we want to know what is.
49:39
Can you tell us a secret, something from Umbrella Academy
49:42
that the fans might not know, that they would gag over?
49:44
It's not particularly exciting, but like I have a bunch of
49:47
behind the scenes photos that I would love to post at some point
49:51
of like these lovely memories of of making the show.
49:54
I think that. 'D be so special, they would
49:57
love to see that. I will at some point, but that's
50:00
not particularly like a fun answer.
50:03
Well, you know what? Piggybacking off of that, who's
50:06
a cast member on the show that you absolutely hated?
50:11
Well, to be honest with you. Yes, give it to me.
50:16
Mr. Pennycrum really got on my nerves, you know, that should
50:20
have been. That's fair.
50:21
That's that's actually how I felt too.
50:24
Yeah, that's pretty honest, though, because in the comic
50:27
book, you sort of, well, Five had this lovely, cute dog.
50:33
And it was such a beautiful contrast to the insanity that is
50:36
that character, right? And I I was sad to know that
50:41
Five wouldn't get a dog in the show.
50:43
That was the thing that stuck out to me.
50:45
You're very heavy on your activism.
50:47
How was your work with the United Nations and when you met
50:50
Prince William? Oh, my goodness.
50:53
I wonder how old I was that. Here's what I'll say.
50:57
It's my life has been extremely strange in a lot of different
51:03
ways. And yeah, I've tried to have
51:08
more of a positive impact than a negative impact in whatever way
51:11
that presented itself. And the environmental side of my
51:16
life has sort of like, come out of just, like, growing up in a
51:20
world where things like that I think should be addressed or
51:25
fixed are kind of neglected. Yeah.
51:28
When you're a kid, everything is new.
51:30
You're not like, your brain is still so curious about life.
51:34
It's less accepting. There's less patterns
51:36
established. And so you're just more aware of
51:38
when things are odd. And that's where the
51:41
environmental activism came out of it.
51:44
Like, oh, this seems to be an issue.
51:47
And I'm in this weird position of like, I can reach all these
51:50
people. So I might be however young I am
51:54
and however unknowledgeable I might be.
51:56
But if an expert says. To care so much about it.
51:59
You can do XY and Z to address this issue, which is a problem
52:04
for so many people. Then I'm.
52:06
I just have tried to share and tried to have in whatever way
52:10
that I could. It honestly means so much and
52:13
has so much more impact than you could even imagine, so I think
52:16
that's really important work for you to be involved in.
52:19
It's it's decent. I very much am though a
52:22
messenger. I'm you know if I can help.
52:24
Sharing, but sharing a massive platform to be able to amplify
52:28
that, it really does help you. Just kind of do what you can,
52:32
you know, every day you do your best.
52:35
That's all we could do. Yeah, you're entirely right
52:37
about that. That's not easy.
52:40
It's strange. It's very strange.
52:43
All sorts of life is strange. So we've talked so much at
52:47
lengths throughout this entire time chatting, but I ask every
52:51
guest on the show what is their most delusional take?
52:54
What's your most delulu take? What is the most illusional
52:56
thing you believe could be silly, controversial, funny?
53:01
Crazy serious. I choose to think on the hopeful
53:08
side of things in life, and sometimes it's rational and
53:13
sometimes it's not. But I think it's a better way to
53:19
go through life moment to moment, you know, to just be
53:22
accepting and positive and doing your best.
53:24
And it might be delusional. I don't.
53:29
Some things you'll just never know, but you got to do anyway.
53:32
Very unsurprising. A very unsurprising mature
53:37
answer and like introspective and deep.
53:40
You know what I find interesting?
53:41
Getting to know you right now they're chatting with you is
53:43
like, you do seem like a very positive, hopeful person, but I
53:47
feel like a lot of your lyric feels, it feels sad or leaning
53:50
to me with you and just experience with this person and
53:54
this concept. So I think that's that's
53:56
actually really cool to see the dichotomy when I'm talking to
53:58
you and just really getting to know you a little bit more and
54:01
also hearing your music and hearing that other side of you.
54:03
The first album is dealing with the upset and the second album
54:11
is dealing with the grief. So by the time you get to the
54:16
end of the second record, it what you're talking about of
54:20
like the hopeful nature versus the I don't know what the word
54:27
would be, but the the Saturn nature.
54:29
Whatever. Yeah, maybe the like the
54:31
introspection, I suppose, like I think especially if your lyrics
54:34
in the way that you're describing these situations and
54:36
how you're feeling, like really embracing that side of you which
54:41
is so vulnerable and special. We're back and we close out
54:44
every show by manifesting together.
54:46
Aiden, we've talked so much about your goals and dreams and
54:49
things that you're excited about and things that we're excited
54:51
about to finally come out with you.
54:52
But what do you want to speak into existence here on Delulu
54:55
with Ryan Liu. What do I want to speak into
54:59
existence? I don't know my my dreams for my
55:07
life is to make art that I love and that can be there for me and
55:13
for other people and to find the community in partners and
55:18
friends that you know you you feel truly known by someone else
55:25
and you feel that you truly know them.
55:29
And the two of you are going through looking at the same
55:32
moment with each other through the ups and downs.
55:35
That's like community like the same thing that a pod so.
55:38
Beautiful. Can be of like conversation of
55:40
two people in the same moment with each other.
55:42
I mean, we manifested that right now with each other.
55:45
This is true, it's already happened.
55:47
It's already happened. That's manifestation.
55:50
I just, I think when people come together and you get past
55:54
whatever the stressors are and the stressors are good because
55:57
again, it's it's contrast, it makes things interesting and it
56:00
gives things more totally. But like relaxed conversation
56:05
where you go from like small talk and laughing to something
56:09
really heavy. I feel that's my favorite part
56:13
of life. It's my favorite.
56:15
Part it's really beautiful to connect with someone.
56:17
It's beautiful to connect with community, you know, and I think
56:20
I said it a million times, but I think that's what's really
56:22
exciting about music in general, and specifically your music too.
56:24
I feel like it's another way to be able to connect to you and
56:28
for people to connect to each other, people who are going to
56:29
be relate to it and maybe feel less alone, maybe feel seen.
56:33
I think it's a really important project that you're putting out.
56:37
Yeah, it's that through song. It's great.
56:39
Yeah, I've had that with so many people in terms of music being
56:43
there for me and moments of my life.
56:45
And I love the idea that something that I made even just
56:50
as a therapeutic gesture to get something out in a moment where
56:53
I'm feeling in a. Moment.
56:55
It's it. Can then be there for other
56:57
people even if I don't know about it.
57:00
Yeah, exactly. Like actually that's what I find
57:02
too. Like the songs that I sometimes
57:03
I write for me, and then those songs are the ones that people
57:06
are like connecting the most with.
57:08
It's really crazy. That's what a lot of the people
57:12
I look up to seem to say it's if you're doing it for yourself,
57:15
you end up doing the best thing for the audience.
57:17
I love that. I think you're also doing that
57:20
too. I try.
57:22
Well, you were doing an amazing job and honestly, Aiden, I just
57:25
need to tell you, you were genuinely like an amazing
57:28
person, like talking to you like you're.
57:30
So I wish, I wish everyone heard everything.
57:32
He was saying on the compliments staff.
57:34
No, this is how I feel like philosophical, you're like deep,
57:38
you're like mature. You have a lot of empathy for
57:40
people. I'm like a little bit like,
57:41
damn, it should be a little bit more like you.
57:43
Like, I feel like there's a lot of peace in your life because
57:45
you're, you're like kind of a nice person, you know, like
57:48
really a nice person. I'm very critical of everything
57:52
and it's it has forced me to just, you know, it doesn't feel
57:58
great, but you look back and you're like, that was all.
58:01
Yeah, yeah. I mean, we're always going to be
58:03
a little harder on ourselves, I think.
58:05
Yeah. So that's fair, but Aiden, this
58:07
has been so. Incredible to hear though,
58:09
because I don't feel those ways that you describe.
58:12
I I have a sense that that's can be a perception, but I don't.
58:16
It's not how I feel. Aiden, this genuinely was so
58:18
incredible. Thank you so much for being a
58:19
guest. Where can the besties find you?
58:22
Oh boy, why? I believe I could be wrong, but
58:27
I believe when this is coming out I will have some new music
58:30
out as well. So whatever, yes, whatever
58:32
places that you find music, I will.
58:34
I will be there under my own name.
58:36
For Aiden Gallagher on Spotify, Apple Music, wherever you stream
58:40
your favorite Aiden Gallagher songs.
58:42
Yes. Yes, and then you can also find
58:44
Aiden on his socials at Aiden R Gallagher as well.
58:48
He's doing the plug for me. Thank you, Ryan.
58:51
I got you. He be sure to follow us to know
58:53
when all this music is coming out and this is exciting.
58:56
He's about to get more active on socials, so this is the time to
58:59
follow. I have more.
59:00
Time with him. You have more time and we're
59:03
we're hanging on the edge of our seats for your next post and
59:06
we're really excited for all of it.
59:07
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1:00:25
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1:00:38
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1:00:39
It was a very expansive podcast. What he said.
1:00:45
And they're they're queuing me to get off.
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