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Sean O'Connell Show - FULL POD - 7-14-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Havebit Tuesday. Everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Shaw on ESPN seven hundred
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  Speaker 2: rice Ecles Stadium, August seventh.
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  Speaker 1: We're drawing closer and closer.
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  Speaker 2: We're just over a couple of weeks away from Utah
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  Speaker 2: opening their football camp. Players report back to campus officially
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  Speaker 2: on August second, so they'll roll in that Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they do the whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, I don't know what I'm talking about now that
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  Speaker 2: football is such a year round game. It used to
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  Speaker 2: be you roll back in after the season or when
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  Speaker 2: the season's beginning, and you know, you talk with the
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  Speaker 2: equipment staff, you get the stuff that you need. These
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  Speaker 2: guys probably have it all now it's probably just like
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  Speaker 2: permanently theirs in the lockers.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I really don't know.
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  Speaker 2: But August second, so we're just over two weeks away
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  Speaker 2: from football camp beginning, and because of that, we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: start speculating. All right, we're gonna do what I love
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  Speaker 2: to do here on the Sean O'Connell Show. We're gonna
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  Speaker 2: start playing with the over unders. We're gonna start talking
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  Speaker 2: about totals, and we're gonna get more and more specific.
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  Speaker 2: The win totals have been out, they've been set by
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  Speaker 2: the sportsbooks for a while, and we haven't yet really
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  Speaker 2: taken a deep dive into them. Player personnel obviously matters
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  Speaker 2: for your win total. The big thing here for Utah
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  Speaker 2: and for BYU and for Texas Tech, and for filling
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  Speaker 2: the blank on whoever you think is kind of the
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  Speaker 2: next or also belongs in that conversation. Team like schedules
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  Speaker 2: are really really interesting and really important in this year's
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  Speaker 2: Big Twelve Conference. The way that everything worked out on
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  Speaker 2: the scheduling grid, as we discussed when it was released
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  Speaker 2: way back in I think January. There's there's certain players
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  Speaker 2: that are certain teams that dodge other opponents. There's some
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  Speaker 2: teams like Arizona who has to really wade through the
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  Speaker 2: muck if they want to have a great season this year.
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  Speaker 1: And the the win.
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  Speaker 2: Total the over unders reflect that. So we're gonna get
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  Speaker 2: into some of that today. It is a World Cup
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  Speaker 2: Soccer day. You've got a semi final. Uh, this is
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  Speaker 2: a big one. My guy Zach filling in for James again.
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  Speaker 2: He expects Spain to advance.
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  Speaker 1: This is.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is as fascinating of the final four
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  Speaker 2: as you can get. It's it's the equivalent of like
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  Speaker 2: Duke Kansas, North Carolina, Arizona in your final four in
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  Speaker 2: an NCAA tournament. It's the the first time that it's
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  Speaker 2: been this chalky at the top. And you know, the
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  Speaker 2: expanded the expanded format, the expanded field of World Cup
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  Speaker 2: teams that now has them flirting with the idea of
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  Speaker 2: expanding even further gave us exactly what we grew accustomed
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  Speaker 2: to in March Madness, especially in the pre nil era,
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  Speaker 2: where you get your Cinderellas. And honestly, this might the
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  Speaker 2: World Cup might be the place where we have to
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  Speaker 2: get our Cinderella stories from now on, because Cinderella in
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  Speaker 2: March Madness is dead.
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  Speaker 1: Cinderella gone, no more glass slippers.
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  Speaker 2: The chariot has turned back into a pumpkin and is
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  Speaker 2: going to stay there in World Cup soccer, while these
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  Speaker 2: tiny nations that have to rely upon like strange lineage
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  Speaker 2: patterns and visa requirements in order to fill out a roster,
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  Speaker 2: like we still got some really cool stuff, but you
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  Speaker 2: have to have some you know, familial tie or residential
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  Speaker 2: tie at the very least to these countries to play
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  Speaker 2: for them. It's not just the prospect of nil money.
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  Speaker 2: I maybe should not have said that because I've jinxed us.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure some wealthy like Monaco is gonna be the
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  Speaker 2: best World Cup squad in twenty thirty. They're just gonna
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  Speaker 2: buy a bunch of players and give them dual citizenship
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  Speaker 2: or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: But I digress. That'll be a fun matchup.
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  Speaker 2: First kick at one o'clock, so we'll be on air
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  Speaker 2: when it happens, and let's be honest, the final hour
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  Speaker 2: of the show, I'll probably just give you terrible soccer
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  Speaker 2: play by play. Also, I will give you play by
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  Speaker 2: play on Zach trying to figure out how to work
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  Speaker 2: the TV here in the studio because I don't even
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  Speaker 2: know how to do it all right, Like we've got
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  Speaker 2: this big flass screen TV right in front of me
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  Speaker 2: here in studio. I don't think we actually have cable.
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  Speaker 2: I think we're like bootlegging off of somebody else. I
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  Speaker 2: know that there's occasionally like YouTube TV logo up on there.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes James figures out how to do a split screen,
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  Speaker 2: but it's not like there's no remote control in here.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have a remote, Zach.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think has a remote in his in his
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  Speaker 2: studio right there either production studio. James, whenever he's here
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  Speaker 2: and he's trying to turn on the TV and adjust
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  Speaker 2: the channels, he scurries off around the corner somewhere it
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  Speaker 2: goes back into the room with all the stacks, and
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  Speaker 2: then he comes back.
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  Speaker 1: And checks and say, oh no, I gotta go back
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  Speaker 1: on O D. And then he runs off again.
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  Speaker 2: So, uh, that is going to be just as much
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  Speaker 2: fun as watching the game today, yelling at Zach and
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  Speaker 2: making him get that came actually on the TV here
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  Speaker 2: in studio. Are you prepared for that, Zach Wi while
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  Speaker 2: simultaneously trying to produce.
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  Speaker 3: A show and pay attention to Spain in France as well.
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  Speaker 3: But you know I'm used to being yelled at. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: so you know I'm used to it. But we'll figure
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  Speaker 3: it out.
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  Speaker 2: We'll figure it, figure it out, We will figure it out.
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  Speaker 2: Gordy Chase is gonna swing by summer League action for
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  Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz.
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  Speaker 1: J T wistercill host of Locked on Utes.
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  Speaker 2: And he writes for the Ute Authority, helping us preview
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  Speaker 2: this season and dive into some of the storylines on
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  Speaker 2: you Tough Football. We are efforting something here for one
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  Speaker 2: o'clock that I cannot tease for you yet, but like
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  Speaker 2: I said, that will be Spain versus France on the
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  Speaker 2: televisions in front of you as well. Okay, jumping into
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  Speaker 2: what we talked about with the over underw So, the
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  Speaker 2: over under totals that Vegas has set for Big twelve
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  Speaker 2: football is fascinating because a lot of it I think
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  Speaker 2: is scheduled dependent, and obviously some of it is optimism
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  Speaker 2: over a return of certain player personnel, consistency on coaching staffs,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. But we'll play a little game
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  Speaker 2: here while you're listening along, and I'm giving you all
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  Speaker 2: the win totals.
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  Speaker 1: While while you're listening along.
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  Speaker 2: I want you to make a mental note of whether
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  Speaker 2: or not you think this optimism or tessimism is based
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  Speaker 2: on who they actually are, who their players and their
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  Speaker 2: coaching staff is, or whether it's scheduled dependent. Because there's
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  Speaker 2: some of this here obviously at the very top of
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  Speaker 2: the preseason expectations and rankings. Despite the controversy and all
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  Speaker 2: the insanity that they were embroiled in over this offseason.
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  Speaker 1: We've talked about it plenty.
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  Speaker 2: Optimism remains high for Texas Tech now bet MGM. So
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  Speaker 2: the MGM Sports book has them at ten and a half.
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  Speaker 2: Some other books, like the On three book it just
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  Speaker 2: doesn't make a ton of sense for me, has them
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  Speaker 2: at eleven and a half. So there is some disparity
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  Speaker 2: with Texas Tech and their predictive win totals eleven and
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  Speaker 2: a half.
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  Speaker 1: Again, we've talked about this couple weeks ago. It is
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  Speaker 1: it's the question of are you undefeated or not?
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  Speaker 2: In some of these sportsbooks, like, really, I understand why
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  Speaker 2: you think Texas Tech is the team that they are.
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  Speaker 2: They've got, on paper, probably the most talented roster in
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  Speaker 2: the conference, but it is a tall task for anyone
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  Speaker 2: to finish the season undefeated, and the question of them
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  Speaker 2: being eleven and a half or eleven and a half
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  Speaker 2: wins being the over under being you're undefeated, the under
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  Speaker 2: being you're not. That's that's too far a bridge for
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  Speaker 2: me to cross. So for me, I'm sticking with the
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  Speaker 2: Vegas win total of ten and a half for Texas Tech.
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  Speaker 2: And again, I want you to be asking yourself the question,
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  Speaker 2: is this because of who they are our personnel wise?
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  Speaker 2: Is this because of their schedule? Texas tech schedule is
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  Speaker 2: Abilene Christian And remember they tried to get rid of
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  Speaker 2: that game so they could take on Texas. Which is
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  Speaker 2: the only positive outcome of this whole thing that Texas
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  Speaker 2: Tech was stunk up in this offseason is that you
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  Speaker 2: had an opportunity to call out Texas and Steve Sarkisian
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  Speaker 2: and say, all right, if you think that you're better
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  Speaker 2: than us, come play us, We'll pay the buy out
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  Speaker 2: for Abilene Christian, We'll pay the buy out for your
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  Speaker 2: first week opponent, and we will play you. Obviously that
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  Speaker 2: never came to fruition, but I loved the flex. Texas
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  Speaker 2: Tech is Abilene Christian, Oregon State. Week three is Houston,
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  Speaker 2: so a conference game in week three instead of Week four,
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  Speaker 2: and then they get back to a kind of a
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  Speaker 2: rest game, so to speak, Sam Houston State, Colorado and
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  Speaker 2: then their bye week. Okay, Arizona State Cincinnati Arizona I
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  Speaker 2: think is probably probably their toughest game in the regular season,
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  Speaker 2: with respect to Baylor and to Cincinnati, who are both
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  Speaker 2: away games. Texas Tech has Arizona at home, West Virginia
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  Speaker 2: at home, then Oklahoma State, Baylor, and TCU to finish
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  Speaker 2: their season. So that's there's some intrigue at the very
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  Speaker 2: end of the season for Texas Tech. But as you
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  Speaker 2: could see their schedule, if it pencils out, let's assume
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  Speaker 2: that you get Will Hammond back. Probably I wouldn't be surprised.
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  Speaker 2: Now they've been optimistic on the timeline. They've said he
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  Speaker 2: might be back even for week one. But let's say
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  Speaker 2: that you bring him back week three for Houston because
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  Speaker 2: Houston's athletic, Houston's fast, Houston's well coached, Houston all of
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  Speaker 2: their tough games, Houston might be one of the other
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  Speaker 2: games you'd call their a tough game for them, Houston
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  Speaker 2: Week three, they're at home. Scratch what I said about Arizona.
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  Speaker 2: Houston Week three might be the toughest game on their
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  Speaker 2: schedule because of the questions about your starting quarterback situation
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  Speaker 2: and the health of your presumed starter. Now that Brendan
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  Speaker 2: Soresby is not available to you, right, so I think
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  Speaker 2: Texas Tech. You look at their over under win total
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  Speaker 2: and you say, all right, this is based on a
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  Speaker 2: combination of who they are and their schedule. It gets
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  Speaker 2: more interesting when we talk about the Utah teams. When
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  Speaker 2: we talk about your beloved University of Utah football squad.
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  Speaker 1: And the in state rival BYU.
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  Speaker 2: Both of these teams, despite having wildly different I mean
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  Speaker 2: wildly different off seasons, wildly insanely different off seasons, the
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  Speaker 2: projected win totals, according to the betting masterminds and the
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  Speaker 2: time travelers who know more than we do, eight and
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  Speaker 2: a half wins. So equal optimism on the schedule for
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  Speaker 2: Utah and for BYU, Why tell me why eight seven
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  Speaker 2: seven three five three zero seven hundred.
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  Speaker 1: BYU's schedule.
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  Speaker 2: Is not markedly tougher than Utah's schedule, with the exception
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  Speaker 2: of they've gotten Notre Dame smack dab in the middle
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  Speaker 2: of their season and nobody expects BYU right now. Nobody's
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  Speaker 2: projecting BYU to win that game, so you'll lop off
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  Speaker 2: one win right off the top. So maybe it well
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  Speaker 2: not maybe definitively if BYU were not playing Notre Dame
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  Speaker 2: in a stellar mid season non conference matchup, which I
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  Speaker 2: hope continues in perpetuity. I hope we get Morton's versus
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  Speaker 2: Catholics every single year. I hope you get the religious clash,
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  Speaker 2: the Holy War two point zero. I hope you get
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  Speaker 2: it every single year. And I think there's interest in
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  Speaker 2: both parties to continue that. Notre Dame in the middle
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  Speaker 2: of your season is the reason why BYU is projected
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  Speaker 2: eight and a half wins instead of nine and a
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  Speaker 2: half wins, because everyone's looking at that game and saying, well,
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  Speaker 2: you can't you can't expect them to win that game.
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  Speaker 2: Notre Dame is preseason number two, preseason number three, preseason
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  Speaker 2: and BYU can be a preseason top ten, as they
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  Speaker 2: are in a lot of people's minds, but nobody is saying,
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  Speaker 2: even though it's a home game, that BYU is going
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  Speaker 2: to beat Notre Dame in week seven.
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  Speaker 1: Their schedule is utah.
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  Speaker 2: Techent Brennan talked about it, Kiloni Satake talked about a
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  Speaker 2: town a big twelve b to days. Week two, so
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  Speaker 2: pretty close to right off the bat, you hit the
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  Speaker 2: ground running. You got Arizona, a tough conference squad in
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  Speaker 2: week two, Colorado State week three, and early season by
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  Speaker 2: and again, this is where the schedule for BYU is
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  Speaker 2: the reason that they're winning.
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  Speaker 1: Totally sitting at eight and a half.
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  Speaker 2: Because people see that week three or excuse me, the
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  Speaker 2: week four by.
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  Speaker 1: And then they're like, well, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: After that, you've got this run that goes TCU on
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  Speaker 2: the road, tough game, Iowa stayed at home. You win
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  Speaker 2: that one, Notre Dame at home. I think it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be a great game. We'll see nobody's expecting BYU to
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  Speaker 2: win that one. So that's after TCU, Iowa State, then
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  Speaker 2: you've got Notre Dame at home. Then you've got this
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  Speaker 2: long trip after an emotional dump after a tough game
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  Speaker 2: against a nationally prominent, nationally ranked opponent. You've got a
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  Speaker 2: trip to Orlando to UCF, and UCF could be problematic
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  Speaker 2: for our body. They're annoying, they're fast, they're smack dab
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  Speaker 2: in the middle of one of the most talent rich,
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  Speaker 2: explosiveness dense markets in all of college football recruiting. So
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  Speaker 2: UCF Week eight is not a walk in the park.
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  Speaker 2: It's a game that by you should win and will
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  Speaker 2: win probably, but it's not a walk in the park.
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  Speaker 2: And then your return is Arizona State. You come back home,
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  Speaker 2: you take on Arizona State. I've got a lot of
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  Speaker 2: questions about Kenny Dillingham squad. I've got a lot of
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  Speaker 2: questions about the direction of that program as a whole.
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  Speaker 2: But Arizona State again, is not an easy out for anybody.
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  Speaker 1: You're glad you have that one at home BYU.
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  Speaker 2: Then after now we're talking about five straight weeks of
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  Speaker 2: pretty tough games, decently tough games, like it's sort of
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  Speaker 2: an every other week TCU really tough on the road,
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  Speaker 2: Iowa State, okay, you got that one. Notre Dame tough again.
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  Speaker 2: UCF tough but fair Arizona State again tough. Now you're
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  Speaker 2: on the road at Rice ECL Stadium, and that's everybody
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  Speaker 2: in the state super Bowl. That's more meaningful than it's been,
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  Speaker 2: even as meaningful as it has been for the last
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  Speaker 2: several years. I mean, this one is Morgan Scalley's first chance.
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  Speaker 2: And there's no complicated history with Morgan Scalley and BYU.
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  Speaker 2: There's no oh well, he actually played here way back
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  Speaker 2: in the day, like Kyle Whittingham had done that. Morgan
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  Speaker 2: Scalley has been indoctrinated since he was in diapers to
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  Speaker 2: dislike BYU. He's been a Utah man. I mean, we
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  Speaker 2: have the SoundBite somewhere in that computer Zach always always was,
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  Speaker 2: always will be. He's talking about being a ute right.
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  Speaker 2: BYU comes in week ten two rice ECL Stadium. So
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  Speaker 2: now you're talking six weeks in a row of unfriendly
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  Speaker 2: competition for BYU. No bye week, no rest, assuming full
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  Speaker 2: health because they've got a great strengthy conditioning program. They've
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  Speaker 2: got an incredibly talented roster that will see how deep
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  Speaker 2: they are. I think their starters are as good as
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  Speaker 2: anyone else in college football right now, certainly in the
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  Speaker 2: Big twelve, but is the depth really there. They certainly
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  Speaker 2: feel that way. They've had better recruiting classes as of late.
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  Speaker 2: That it's Baylor at home, Kansas away, we know what
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  Speaker 2: Kansas did to BYU, and then it's Cincinnati at home.
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  Speaker 2: So the meat of that schedule right in the middle, TCU,
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  Speaker 2: Iowa State, Notre Dame, UCF on the road, Arizona State
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  Speaker 2: at home, Utah on the road.
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  Speaker 1: That sucks if you're a BYU football fan.
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  Speaker 2: That is a gauntlet, and that is why BYU's win
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  Speaker 2: total is set at eight and a half.
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  Speaker 1: This is a program with.
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  Speaker 2: The returning offensive player of the year in the conference,
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  Speaker 2: a guy who will be either the best running back
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  Speaker 2: or the second best running back in this conference again
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  Speaker 2: this year. A quarterback, a young quarterback that there is
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  Speaker 2: such thing as a sophomore slump, so we have to
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  Speaker 2: allow for that possibility. But a guy that surprised all
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  Speaker 2: of us last year and ended up being the little
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  Speaker 2: mini Tim Tebow in BYU. Bear Bachmeyer, right, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think your wide receiving corps is as talented as last year.
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  Speaker 2: I think your defense is just as talented, if not
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  Speaker 2: more so than last year. So the big question for
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  Speaker 2: BYU is is Kelly Papinga going to be able to
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  Speaker 2: create some fac simile of what Jay Hill was able
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  Speaker 2: to do defensively last year? BYU has while they missed
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  Speaker 2: Texas Tech, which is a nice thing in the regular
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  Speaker 2: season and sets up for a a lot more drama
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  Speaker 2: come whatever happens in a Big twelve championship game. BYU's
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  Speaker 2: schedule based on the timing of when you meet certain teams,
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  Speaker 2: and really more importantly, I think the timing of when
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  Speaker 2: that bye week is and the just run of nasty
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  Speaker 2: opponents from weeks five through ten, and you could probably
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  Speaker 2: even extend that out to five through eleven. That is
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  Speaker 2: why Vegas says BYU is gonna win eight and a
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  Speaker 2: half games. Now, why does Vegas think Utah, who does
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  Speaker 2: not return the same level of decoration, the same level
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  Speaker 2: of decorated player from last year. Why is Utah also
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  Speaker 2: projected at an equal win total to BYU. Why are
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  Speaker 2: they also on that second tier behind Texas Tech? According
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  Speaker 2: to Vegas, at least it's BYU, Utah and Kansas State
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: at eight and a half wins, that's the over under.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Why.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Well, it's because when you look at Utah's schedule and
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: you look at Utah's personnel and you look at what
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Utah does have in you know, the continuity. It's not
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: the same as bringing your same coaching staff back. It's
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: not the same as having your same head coach who
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: was there for twenty one years. But there's respect for
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Morgan Scalley, and Morgan Scalley was given a gift by
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: the football gods that his first season schedule is one
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: that is Dare I say soft is the wrong term
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: to use, but as forgiving as any first first time
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: head coaches schedule is going to be in power for football.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Idaho Arkansas at home, Utah stayed at home. You should
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: win all three of those games. Arkansas, by the way,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: the toughest schedule in all of college foot according to
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: most rankings. And part of that for Arkansas is this
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: week two trip to Salt Lake City, a place where
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: they do not come ever in the SEC you never
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: play at anything even remotely approaching altitude.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Arkansas is going to be like what is happening here? Right?
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: So?
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Idaho, Arkansas, Utah State, Iowa State on the road. And
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: I actually don't like the fact that your bye week
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: comes when you're knock on wood, undefeated, and finally building momentum. Right,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: But why, aside from how good these teams are projected
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: to be or not, why does this matter for Utah?
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Why is Utah being treated so well by Vegas predictively?
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Because there's an understanding that it's not just like the
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: health thing matters and the bye week where it is matters.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: But for Utah, integrating a brand new offensive line coach,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: a brand new offensive coordinator, a brand new defensive coordinator,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: all five new starters on the offensive line, pretty much
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: a whole wide receiving corps. Right, there's going to be
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: I've threatened this, and I've warned against this, and I've
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: talked about this, the growing pains that I'm referring to.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: You can survive those growing pains based on when you
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: face your tough opponents. Like take Texas Tech schedule, where
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: you've got Houston in week three. If you're Utah, that's
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: pretty problematic because your guys are still figuring it out.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Your offensive line is probably still gelling. You might even
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: be picking and pulling and still working out the mix
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: of who's your starters on that offensive line based on
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: game film and actual gameplay. If you give Utah this
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: BYU schedule where they meet Arizona in week two, the
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: same thing. Right, You're like, oh dang, not that those
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: squads don't have something to figure out themselves, but you've
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: got tougher tech earlier in the season on some of
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: these big twelve slates, and that is problematic for Utah, Idaho, Arkansas,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Utah State. Those are games you can get things figured out.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: All respect to Arkansas because they do have sec talent
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: and things like that, they're not that threatening.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: They're gonna be a five win team this year.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Right, Idaho, Arkansas, Utah State, Iowa State.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not high on the Cyclones.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Now we're talking about all right, as we head into
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: our bye week, we've we've been able to iron out
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: some of these wrinkles in live competition without the toughest, stiffest,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: nastiest test. Now we got a bye week and then
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: it's Kansas, Colorado Houston. Kansas and Houston are home games,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Colorado away. Do you see what I'm getting at here?
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: You get Kansas and Houston at home. Then you go
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: to Cincinnati, you get BYU at home home. Arizona is
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: a road game. TCU is a road game. I don't
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: like week eleven and twelve, those back to back away
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: games that that's actually a tougher stretch. I think TCU
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: is gonna be decent. I think Arizona is gonna be
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: better than decent. And then you finish your season with
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: that historic rivalry the West Virginia Mountaineers.
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: So historic.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Uh, you know that's a home game for Utah Mountains
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: versus Mountains.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: We can at least get on board with that.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: The Utah band will play country roads for the sake
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: of West Virginia. So you look at this win total
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: and Utah, it's like, okay. That actually, I think explains
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: why Vegas, despite the questions, are looking at Utah and saying, yeah,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: they're gonna have a really good season. So as you're
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: over under eight and a half wins, I'm not even
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: gonna ask it on Twitter. I'm not even gonna ask
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: it here at eight seven seven three five three zero
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: seven hundred, because if you're a Utah fan, you're saying over,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: you're taking the over, you're not shy about it, and
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: that's fine. I think that the over is the right
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: play if you're so inclined. But eight and a half
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: wins is for Vegas with a team that has a
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: lot of uncertainty, it's optimistic, and it's in a lot
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: of ways a schedule that lends itself to the optimism.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: The other eight and a half win team, according to
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Vegas is Kansas State. Colin Klein is coming back. You
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: see what's happening here Utah with one of their favorite
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: sons now in the head coaching position. He never left.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Colin Klein was the offensive coordinator of Texas A and M.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: He's done the more traditional half in college football. He's
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: bounced around, he's done his thing. But again, a former
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Kansas State Wildcat, one of their favorite sons, the prodigal
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: sun Hath returned to Manhattan, Kansas, and now they're looking
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: at an eight and a half win season according to Vegas.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Are you taking the over or the under on that?
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: I forgive anyone who doesn't have any real idea about
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: what their schedule looks like, and again, listen to how
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: their schedule shapes up. Nichols State at home, Washington State
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: at home, Two Lane at home. I think two Lane's
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: actually a tougher game than we're probably going to give
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: it credit for. They've had some really high level success
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: as of late, They've done well in recruiting, they've done
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: well in nil. Their first road game is in week four,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: which is exactly mirroring what Utahs is.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Vegas is looking at the schedules on these win totals.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: So if you're making your wagers, right, if you're going
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: to the MGM sportsbook, understand this. A lot of what
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: they are doing on these wind projection totals is schedule based.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: At the top, they're undervaluing BYU's talent because of their
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: tough schedule and the fact that Notre Dame is on it.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: They're perhaps overvaluing Kansas State, and some people might say
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Utah because of friendly schedules. These are schedule based over
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: underwin totals Nickels State, Washington State, two Lane Cincinnati, and
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: then a bye week. Kansas State and Utah have the
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: same schedule.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: In those first five weeks.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Effectively, it's scheduled win, slightly tougher scheduled win, slightly tougher
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: scheduled win, and then a road trip that is middle
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: probably middle of the Big twelve, and then a bye
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: for entertainment purposes only when we're talking about betting, but
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: you know, make your predictions. Accordingly, we're gonna talking about
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: about this a lot Utah football, Big twelve football a
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: lot on the show today.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: J T.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Wisterstill at noon and dare I say it now? Ben
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Crittle from our sister station, b YU insider. Former b
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: YU football player Ben Crittle will join us at one
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: o'clock as we talk about the outlook for BYU coming
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: off of Big twelve media days last week. We'll talk
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: a little summer league basketball with Gordy Chias At next,
• 29:30
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  Speaker 1: One happen.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: The American League and National League taking on one another
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  Speaker 2: in All Star.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Showdown in Major League Baseball.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: I watched the home run Derby on Netflix yesterday.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Electric incredible. It was awesome.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: All Star weekends in pro sports, all Star games in
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: pro sports, they're they're they're twisting, they're tweaking, they're changing
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: things across all leagues, effectively trying to figure out what
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: the best situation is. And it came out of the
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: last swing last night in the final round with one
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Philadelphia Philly. This game is the weekend is in Philadelphia, right.
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: You have.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Schwarber battling it out and trying to get it done.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: You have have you know, he's like this grizzled vet
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: with five hundred career home runs and he got this
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: upstart young kid Jordan Walker, who on his last swing
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: of the Home Run Derby beats out the hometown hero
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: like literally on the final swing. The drama it was
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: incredible and the stakes are exactly zero in the All
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Star Gate in the Home Run Derby.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, it was fun.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: It was a great watch, it was entertainment, it was fantastic,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: and it was on Netflix. So we'll see what that
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: does for things like ratings and for the pop that
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Major League Baseball gets out of it, because Netflix, of
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: course the big biggest streaming platform in the world, the
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: most subscribed to streaming platform in the world. As when
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: they dabbled and touch other pro sports and they dabble
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: and touch other things, it gives a little juice to it.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: So we'll see what those numbers actually look like. Jordan Walker,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: when asked about you know, winning the home run Derby.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: He he mentioned this, and I got to be delicate
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: with how I talk about these things for obvious reasons.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: But he's a twenty four year old, right, and he said,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: I hope it. He was asked about, you know, what
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: it means him to win it, which, by the way,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: he gets a million dollars for winning the home run Derby.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: His twenty twenty sixth salary is seven hundred ninety nine
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars, so he's making just shy of eight hundred k,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: which let's not be crazy that that's great money for
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: regular human it's not great money in pro baseball.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: He gets a million dollars.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: He has more than that just for winning the home
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: run Derby, So probably more meaningful for him than for
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Kyle Schwarber, at least on that front.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: I needed the thing, you know, talking His parents were there.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Going crazy as family, going absolutely nuts when he wins
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: the home run Derby, and the rest of the arena,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: the rest of the stadium is disappointed because a lot
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: of those folks are Philadelphia fans who wanted to see
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: a Philadelphia guy win it.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: But he's twenty four years old.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: He asked about what it means, and he talks, he
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: does the thing, thanks everyone relevant, and he's happy to
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: do it in front of mom and dad, and he
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: mentions that he wants to inspire more black children. He says,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: I hope it means a lot to them. I want
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: to be a role model for the black kids. I
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: want more Black kids in baseball. Hopefully this raises more
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: awareness and in a week and in a time where
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: the conversation around youth sports in America has gone like
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: push to the forefront with soccer more specifically during the
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: World Cup, but you can extend it out to all
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: of little league sports, all of kids sports around the country.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: It's a.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: It's a telling thing that this twenty four year old
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: feels a certain amount of pressure or a certain amount
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: of motivation to make sure that kids who are like him,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: kids who came up in some of the same areas
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: in America's pastime. It no longer is NFL football is
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: America's pastime. Football in general, grid iron, American football, shoulder
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: pads and helmets, that's America's pastime. Now, that is our thing,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: that is our national sports identity. Or of course, also
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: gold medalists and hockey, don't want to forget about that.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: But the World Baseball Classic tells you, right that Japan,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: the Caribbean Nations, South America, the northern tip of South
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: America more, which probably falls into that Caribbean world. Right
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: It's like the epicenter of the baseball world has sort
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: of shifted a little bit. And while it's still very
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: much an American game, the biggest star in the game
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: right now is not an American. A lot of the
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: biggest young stars in the game are not of American descent,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: and even fewer of them are of African American descent.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: So a pretty cool moment for him.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: And it's something that I like, I'm in the luxurious
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: position and probably don't care enough about baseball, but in
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: the position where it's like I don't even think about
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: that until it's mentioned here, but then you know, you go,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: you go, Okay, wait a second, we're talking having these
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: conversations with youth soccer and the pay to Play world
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: and worths youth soccer. I don't know what it's like
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: in baseball right now. Eight seven seven three five three
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: zero seven hundred. If you want to text me and
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: let me know. When I was young when I was
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: playing baseball and asked to be on travel teams and
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: do the All Star summer stuff. Back in the nineties,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: baseball was expensive, insanely so, prohibitively so.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: In some cases. Back then, I went to a I
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: was looking.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: At baseball gloves for my daughter because she's playing t ball, right.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: I was looking at Sports Authority for a baseball glove
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: for my daughter, and I was looking at the bats.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: You know what a baseball bat cost now, like four
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: hundred dollars for a little kids baseball bat.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy. You know how dumb that is.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: So I don't want to get into like an overly
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: grandiose conversation about what this means for baseball. But I
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: thought it was neat that Jordan Walker acknowledged after winning
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: a home run derby in hostile territories, hostile his All
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Star weekend territory can be right, the twenty four year
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: old versus the old guy.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Uh, interesting dynamics. There.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: He comes through in the clutch final swing in the
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: home run derby, wins it million dollars more than his
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: salary this year, and then he's like, I want to
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: make sure that the little kids like me from my place,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: from my background. I want to make sure they know
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: the baseball's for them too, because there's a lot of
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: athletes who don't want to be role models. And I
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: thought it was neat that he went there with it,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: when you know, I wouldn't have thought about it any
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: other reason. All Right, we've been able to track down
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: our resident NBA guru, Gordy Chiaza, for just a couple
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: of minutes. We'll have him to talk a little summer
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: league basketball high Gordy, Now you know what's going all right, sir.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: The Jazz had a wild night last night. Trey All,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Alexander stretchered off the court. You know, the Bulls and
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: the Jazz going at it. What was your biggest takeaway
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: from a Jazz appearance that did not feature some of
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: the more interesting youth prospects.
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: Well, a Jazz right now, they're going to shut down
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: their three main guys, meaning Darmon Peterson and Cody Williams
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: and a spilly with the back spasms. So they're playing
• 38:26
  Speaker 7: only young guys and they're going to try to get
• 38:28
  Speaker 7: a look at them as far as possibly non guaranteed
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: contracts or exhibit ten they call it, or the other
• 38:36
  Speaker 7: teams also trying to evaluate the Jazz players betray Alexander Joins,
• 38:41
  Speaker 7: alluding to either two way player for the Jazz third
• 38:44
  Speaker 7: year in the NBA, formerly of a great university. He
• 38:48
  Speaker 7: drop their basket against Taylor Wilson and it was it
• 38:52
  Speaker 7: really wasn't like a hard hit, but he fell and
• 38:55
  Speaker 7: it seems like he was clutching his side on abdomen
• 38:58
  Speaker 7: and we'll see right now what the but the diagnosis,
• 39:02
  Speaker 7: but he didn't get hurt, and he was tay down
• 39:04
  Speaker 7: the stretcher, which we know is always very scary.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: And shutting down these these guys that I mean, look,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: four twenty point games for Darren Peterson, you probably saw
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: kind of what you need to see from him. But
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: it is shutting down those guys the right move for
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: this Utah Jazz team.
• 39:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah, this time of the answer is yes, exactly, Yeah,
• 39:23
  Speaker 7: just shut them out as far as not playing them.
• 39:26
  Speaker 7: The other guys play and then get get these guys
• 39:29
  Speaker 7: and now they have an idea just quickly of the
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: speed of the game. And so even though these guys
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: talk about it, when you play in summer league, it's
• 39:37
  Speaker 7: the first entry level for NBA rookies the speed of
• 39:42
  Speaker 7: the game, which is absolutely different. You can assimilate that
• 39:45
  Speaker 7: in other situations. And so now Darren Peterson. You know,
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: with Darren Peterson, he's a knockdown shooter. And then in
• 39:52
  Speaker 7: the in the four games he played two in Utah
• 39:56
  Speaker 7: and two and in Vegas, he shot thirty three percent
• 40:00
  Speaker 7: in the field and thirty percent from freeze. Even though
• 40:03
  Speaker 7: he's choose a tremendous shooter, And that tells us about
• 40:07
  Speaker 7: the physicality that he have to learn it and that
• 40:10
  Speaker 7: he was willing to go drive to the basket. So
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: Darren Peason leading right now the Vegas Summer League and
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: most three POWs attempted per game, which is good. He's
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: averaging eight attempts per game through the Charity stripe line,
• 40:23
  Speaker 7: and that shows that he's willing to take a hit
• 40:26
  Speaker 7: to the basket and his jump shout which is really strong.
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: He'll he'll get better with the other players around him.
• 40:32
  Speaker 7: That will help him as far as scoring the ball.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: When we were talking about the NBA draft before it happened, right,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: it was the list at the top, the guys at
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: the top were there was the normal cast of characters.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: It was Aj Debonsa and Cam Boozer and Darren Peterson,
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: who obviously the Jazz ended up picking. And then in
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: that next tier of guys, Caleb Wilson was mentioned a
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: lot and he ended up with the Chicago Bulls. Friday night,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: he scored thirty five points against the Jazz. Last night,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: he had nineteen points to lead all of his Chicago
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Bulls teammates.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: And I'm curious your thoughts on him.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: He was a guy that got injured back in what
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: January February, and so was limited in the pre draft process,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: and I don't know how much that hurt him with
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: these NBA teams or not. But he's another cat that
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: when we talked about this deep draft class, he was
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: absolutely one of those names that made it such a
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: great draft class. So far, so good for him. On
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: the individual performances, the Bulls have their own things to
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: figure out like everyone else does. But what are your
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: thoughts on Caleb Wilson now that he's back healthy and.
• 41:37
  Speaker 7: Playing, he's an All Star in the making. He hit
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: last February. He broke his thumb on February fifth, and
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: that's say he's in bested this season. On Carolina, he
• 41:47
  Speaker 7: set out and that hurt Carolina's chances to advancing deeper
• 41:52
  Speaker 7: into the NCAA march medas they lost in the second
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: round in an upset. And so everybody saw him play
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: in the ACC and they love his talent before the draft.
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: United just talked about him in uh in length. They
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: reminds you. He reminds me of Kevin Gonet and also
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: of James Worthy the way he plays so to a
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: Hall of famers, with that unbelievable kangaroo jumping ability and
• 42:18
  Speaker 7: that that perimeterive skills and that quick baseline drive that
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: James Worthy had of yesteryear. And this guy should be
• 42:26
  Speaker 7: a star. And you mentioned about the Bulls. The Bulls
• 42:29
  Speaker 7: are interesting team where they're a proud franchise, but they've
• 42:33
  Speaker 7: been really dismal. They only made the playoffs once in
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: the last nine years and they've had four straight losing seasons.
• 42:42
  Speaker 7: So Caleb Wilson, he's going to be the guy they
• 42:45
  Speaker 7: think that's going to give them the first foundational piece.
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: And he's he's willing and able either tremendous talent. The
• 42:53
  Speaker 7: top four guys in the draft could should will be
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: all stars. That happens, that will be the first time
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: that the top four players in the draft became All Stars.
• 43:05
  Speaker 7: The last time it was nineteen seventy, So it was
• 43:08
  Speaker 7: fifty six years ago the top four guys in the
• 43:11
  Speaker 7: draft became All Stars at least in one season. Mainstints,
• 43:16
  Speaker 7: tell me it's that happened again, Porty.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: I love when you drop those little nuggets on us,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: stuff like that.
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: Okay, So now in nineteen seventy draft, in case you're
• 43:25
  Speaker 7: wondering to get me at my airs right now, with
• 43:28
  Speaker 7: Bob Lanier, Calvin Murphy, Pete Maravich, and Dave Cowens. So
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: that was the top fourth the last time it happened. Ever,
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: So that just shows you that the NBA Draft is
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: really a combination of scouting and also luck, because luck
• 43:54
  Speaker 7: does play a factor. I know it sounds weird saying it,
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: but it really truly does. Do you think this has
• 44:00
  Speaker 7: to be a great, great player and suddenly he's not.
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: But again, these top four guys, more importantly, in the
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: twenty twenty sixth draft, these guys have talent, and they
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: have savvy and they've got skill set.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Just because you sent me scrambling to look up the
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy draft order, Gordy This is another thing that's
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: so fascinating when you go back to the early days
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: in these sports. Right, So that that nineteen seventy draft
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: that you just mentioned, the universities, the colleges that these
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: guys at the very top came out of. Saint Bonaventure, Okay,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: then Michigan, Yeah, Michigan makes sense, LSU for Pete Marivitch, right,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: that's great, Florida State for Dave Cowens. Okay, those are
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: like Saint Bonaventure's not, but those other those are big,
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: powerful universities.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Then you get into like number.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Five, New Mexico State with a number five pick in
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Sam Lacy Cincinnati, then Iowa Princeton with the number eight pick,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Steven F. Austin with the number nine pick, New Mexico,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: and New Mexico State with ten and eleven. Like the world,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: the college world was just so different back then.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: Gordy, Yeah, very much.
• 45:09
  Speaker 7: I had to very much. And that again, it's it's
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: hard to there was almost like, remember there's no ESPN.
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: ESPN for the young listeners. I'm dating myself was in
• 45:21
  Speaker 7: nineteen seventy nine eighty season. That was the first year
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: of ESPN, and everyone thought it's never gonna work. No
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: one's gonna watch sports for twenty four hours. It's never
• 45:33
  Speaker 7: gonna work. What are you crazy? And that was the
• 45:36
  Speaker 7: same year of the Big East, so the Big East
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: Basketball Conference and ESPN they were in lockstep and that
• 45:44
  Speaker 7: created this unbelievable now mega situation where now ESPN does
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: Summer League games in the middle of July in twenty
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: twenty six. That's how powerful the brand is. And I'm
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: glad it happened because it really and everybody as far
• 46:01
  Speaker 7: as being a sports fan, whatever sport is so it's
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: not only because the basketball or football, it's it's everything
• 46:07
  Speaker 7: and that makes it so interesting. And that's and that's
• 46:10
  Speaker 7: what's gonna happen. And let's see now with the other
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• 46:28
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• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Gordon, I know you're a basketball JUNKI and you've been
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: watching all this Summer League stuff for this Utah Jazz
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: and all the guys on ten days and two ways
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: and things like that. Who has impressed you and and
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: maybe played his way onto an NBA roster or at
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: least into a better NBA opportunity based on what you've
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: seen in summer league.
• 46:51
  Speaker 7: Well, the two guys that really again they're in a
• 46:53
  Speaker 7: roster ready, but they really played well. Just shows you
• 46:56
  Speaker 7: that when you were second your player in the NBA,
• 47:00
  Speaker 7: it's after that rookie season. A lot of times you
• 47:03
  Speaker 7: don't play much or you play erratic. And these two
• 47:06
  Speaker 7: guys that he popped out will rally from the Washington
• 47:09
  Speaker 7: Wizards as the Boxer's team. That young teammate. He's averaging
• 47:13
  Speaker 7: twenty five points a game in Summer League and he's
• 47:16
  Speaker 7: shooting fifty three point eight percent fieldal percentage, but he's
• 47:20
  Speaker 7: shooting from three point range seventy percent. He was the
• 47:23
  Speaker 7: twenty first pick of the draft at of Illinois in
• 47:25
  Speaker 7: twenty twenty five. The other guy that's really popped out,
• 47:29
  Speaker 7: he plays behind Joey Lumbeid for the seventy sixes. He's
• 47:32
  Speaker 7: in his Johnny Broom. He was the thirty fifth picket
• 47:36
  Speaker 7: of draft, meaning in the second round, and they're twenty
• 47:39
  Speaker 7: twenty five. He's averaging twenty one points per game in
• 47:43
  Speaker 7: twelve rebounds, including a very beastly seven point five offensive rebounds.
• 47:50
  Speaker 7: So those are two guys that should get more playing
• 47:52
  Speaker 7: time on their teams. And that's the beauty of summer
• 47:56
  Speaker 7: league with a big difference from the rookie season to
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: your second year, and that it's that one jump. One
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: year in the NBA, you see visually what it's like
• 48:06
  Speaker 7: to play against literally grown men as greatest Darren Peterson
• 48:10
  Speaker 7: will be someday. The fact of the matter is that
• 48:13
  Speaker 7: he's only nineteen years old and versus someone that's twenty seven,
• 48:18
  Speaker 7: twenty eight, twenty nine in the prime of their career.
• 48:21
  Speaker 7: It's really the physicality separates so many people.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Do you have a list for us today, Gordy.
• 48:28
  Speaker 7: Yes, my list today, Sean is. We do this once
• 48:32
  Speaker 7: a year. All time best NBA foreign born players, All
• 48:37
  Speaker 7: time best foreign born players. What's the criteria? Quickly, all
• 48:42
  Speaker 7: around skills including clutch scoring, assists, passing, rebounding, shot blocking,
• 48:52
  Speaker 7: and playoff success. And that's the catch Rord playoff success. Quickly.
• 48:56
  Speaker 7: I didn't include Tim Duncan this list because he's born
• 48:59
  Speaker 7: in US Virgin Islands, and they did include Patrick Ewing,
• 49:03
  Speaker 7: who moved from Jamaica, West Indies when he was seven
• 49:06
  Speaker 7: years old up the Boston, Massachusetts. So there's two guys
• 49:09
  Speaker 7: in the other list is just a list of thirteen players.
• 49:13
  Speaker 7: Thirteenth all time foreign born player the Kenda Matumbo's in
• 49:19
  Speaker 7: a Hall of Fame Republic of Congo, number twelve, Joel
• 49:23
  Speaker 7: Embiid future Hall of Famer from Cameroon. Number eleven, and
• 49:28
  Speaker 7: this guy could be the number one list someday. Victor
• 49:31
  Speaker 7: wen beyond the future Hall of Famer from France, number ten,
• 49:35
  Speaker 7: Mono Genobi Hall of Fame from Argentina. Number nine, Powergar
• 49:40
  Speaker 7: Soul Hall of Famer from Spain. Number eight. Sha Jillis
• 49:45
  Speaker 7: Alexander future Hall of Famer from Canada. Number seven, best
• 49:50
  Speaker 7: all time foreign player, Tony Parker Hall of Fame from France.
• 49:54
  Speaker 7: Number six. Steve Nash Hall of Famer from Canada, who
• 49:59
  Speaker 7: ironically was born in Johannesburg, South Africa when his father
• 50:03
  Speaker 7: was a missionary. Number five all time Luka Dantech future
• 50:08
  Speaker 7: Hall of Famer from Slovenia. Number four, Dirk yu Ritzky
• 50:13
  Speaker 7: Hall of Famer from Germany. Number three. Giannis future Hall
• 50:17
  Speaker 7: of Famer. He was born in Nigeria, he moved to Greece.
• 50:22
  Speaker 7: The second greatest ever foreign player is a team Alajawan
• 50:26
  Speaker 7: born in Nigeria and the number one ever foreign born
• 50:30
  Speaker 7: player that plays in the NBA that played in the
• 50:33
  Speaker 7: NBA is currently on the Devon Nuggets. Nikolai Jokic future
• 50:38
  Speaker 7: Hall of Famer from Serbia. That's my thirteen top foreign players.
• 50:42
  Speaker 7: What about quickly Jazz basketball? Fifth all time jazz foreign
• 50:48
  Speaker 7: born player Joe Ingles the Ausi with a swag jump
• 50:52
  Speaker 7: shot from Australia. Number four plays for the Jazz right now.
• 50:57
  Speaker 7: Larry Markinin from Finland. Number three from Russia played like
• 51:02
  Speaker 7: a Russian comedy in the Galaxy, Andre Carolinko. The second
• 51:05
  Speaker 7: greatest jazz farm born player memon O Corps from Turkey,
• 51:10
  Speaker 7: and the number one jazz player of all time born
• 51:13
  Speaker 7: the Front Country is Rudy Gobert from France. That's my
• 51:17
  Speaker 7: list for today, Sean.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Gourdi, We love it every time.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for teaching us about basketball, my friend,
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: see you soon.
• 51:25
  Speaker 7: Thanks, Sean, stay well, fin out peace out, Gordia.
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  Speaker 1: How are you doing good?
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  Speaker 8: Good to be hon with you, Sean. I appreciate you
• 53:09
  Speaker 8: having me.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nice to you to give us some time.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: So you know, you and I have not had a
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: conversation since the insanity of the offseason played out. And
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: you know, Kyle Whittingham no longer they have. Coach Morgan
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: Scalley takes over. He has to replace most of his
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: offensive staff, well, his entire offensive staff. He has to
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: replace one of the more important coaches on the staff,
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: and Lewis Powell and the recruiting front and the defensive
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: ends coach.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: And you know, they did an excellent job.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: I thought of retention, even though they did lose some
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: players did an excellent job of retention in keeping, especially
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Devin Dan Pierre in the fold, keeping Burn Fickland somehow
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: in the fold as well. And I wanted your thoughts
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: on the big picture of just you know, how much
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: uncertainty is there around this Utah football team heading into
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: a season where Vegas says they're gonna win somewhere in
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: the eight to nine, maybe ten game range.
• 54:05
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's the craziest thing, right, we have a new
• 54:07
  Speaker 8: head coach still, even if it's a guy who's just
• 54:09
  Speaker 8: stepping up from the DC chair to the head coach,
• 54:11
  Speaker 8: and you're still projected to win more than eight games.
• 54:14
  Speaker 8: And you look at a lot of the other coaches
• 54:15
  Speaker 8: who are a lot of the other schools in the
• 54:18
  Speaker 8: Big Twelve who are turning over coaches, they're not as fortunate.
• 54:20
  Speaker 8: I mean, you talk to people about how Iowa State
• 54:22
  Speaker 8: it's going to be this year. It's not ideal, and
• 54:24
  Speaker 8: Kansas State's a big enigma. But it's just hard anytime
• 54:27
  Speaker 8: you replace the coach to feel really strong about a
• 54:29
  Speaker 8: team going into the season. Utah has been able to
• 54:32
  Speaker 8: do that, And I think you mentioned one of the
• 54:33
  Speaker 8: biggest keys as being the retention aspect. Anytime you return
• 54:37
  Speaker 8: a guy like Devin damp here, you're gonna feel like
• 54:39
  Speaker 8: you have a chance against pretty much anyone in the country. Honestly,
• 54:41
  Speaker 8: with his dual threat abilities. And we know he's playing
• 54:43
  Speaker 8: hard for most of last year or too so. In fact,
• 54:45
  Speaker 8: he's still won Big Twelve. Newcomer of the year was
• 54:48
  Speaker 8: just tremendous. You mentioned getting bird back to so excited
• 54:50
  Speaker 8: about even just what his role will be this year,
• 54:52
  Speaker 8: let alone when he'll likely be the starter in twenty
• 54:55
  Speaker 8: twenty seven. And way Shaun Parker are running back going
• 54:57
  Speaker 8: to be I think one of the better backs in
• 54:59
  Speaker 8: the Big twelve. I hope he's it'll be the guys. LJ.
• 55:01
  Speaker 8: Martin looks really good there. But there's just a lot
• 55:04
  Speaker 8: of key returners on this team. It's gonna be tough
• 55:07
  Speaker 8: when you have to replace what is all nine starters
• 55:09
  Speaker 8: in the trenches on the D line and then switch
• 55:11
  Speaker 8: it over the O line too. But look, Morgan Scalley
• 55:13
  Speaker 8: is still there, most of the defensive staff in place,
• 55:15
  Speaker 8: and a lot of excitement around the new offensive additions,
• 55:18
  Speaker 8: not just from a player's standpoint, but a staff standpoint too.
• 55:21
  Speaker 8: So I'm excited. And also to say, a schedule that
• 55:24
  Speaker 8: I think really sets this team up for success. So
• 55:26
  Speaker 8: it should be a really fun year. And you mentioned
• 55:28
  Speaker 8: Vaull Campus is right around the corner. Can't wait to
• 55:30
  Speaker 8: get all under way.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about that schedule to start the show today.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: The grand scheme of how these predictions are being put
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: together by Vegas by the books in relative to the
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: Big Twelve conference, it seems like, you know, there's high
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: optimism for Texas Tech. There's BYUS highly thought of Utah
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: with that eight and a half win total right where
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: BYU is at. I think that they're taking a win
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: away from BYU because they've got Notre Dame in the
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: middle of the schedule. But when you look at like
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: where you Utah, Kansas State by you are at all
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: those teams expected to kind of be crowded right behind
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech. We're coming off of Big twelve media days.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Do you see it that way or is there another
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: team that's on your radar that you think is going
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: to be in the conversation with the two in state
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: teams and Texas Tech.
• 56:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think Houston and Arizona are right there as
• 56:22
  Speaker 8: well too. You can make an argument for Arizona State,
• 56:24
  Speaker 8: but I feel like it's just so much more Kenny
• 56:26
  Speaker 8: Dillingham arguments than anything else with all they turn over to.
• 56:30
  Speaker 8: But really, Fritz at Houston's just done a tremendous job
• 56:33
  Speaker 8: there and I think there if you look just the
• 56:35
  Speaker 8: progression that program is making, you know, they beat Utah
• 56:38
  Speaker 8: of course a couple of years ago, back when it
• 56:39
  Speaker 8: was kind of Isaac Wilson Brandon Rose at the time.
• 56:42
  Speaker 8: But even last year, how great of a team were they?
• 56:45
  Speaker 8: I think it's fair to question they had that West
• 56:46
  Speaker 8: Virginia lost got hammered by Tech. Granted most of the
• 56:49
  Speaker 8: conference did, but I think Houston should be right there
• 56:52
  Speaker 8: with the Utah I think Houston and then Arizona I
• 56:55
  Speaker 8: would say, Ifafiita is the best quarterback in the conference,
• 56:57
  Speaker 8: I think anywhere with him. Dan Pierre Bachmeyer all right
• 57:01
  Speaker 8: in that discussion too, But even the Wildcats did lose
• 57:03
  Speaker 8: a lot in the secondary and they have a very
• 57:05
  Speaker 8: tough schedule, so we'll see how they fare this fall.
• 57:07
  Speaker 8: But the Houston team not just excites me. The Houston
• 57:10
  Speaker 8: game excites me for Utah because I think that's their
• 57:13
  Speaker 8: true first test. Like, yes, Arkansas is an SEC team,
• 57:16
  Speaker 8: but when the SEC preseason poll comes out, they will
• 57:19
  Speaker 8: probably be at the bottom of that with a new
• 57:20
  Speaker 8: coach taken over and the roster turnover lost their quarterback.
• 57:23
  Speaker 8: So I'm just I don't know if we'll really have
• 57:25
  Speaker 8: a good idea for how good this Utah team is
• 57:28
  Speaker 8: until that Houston game, because then I think you're playing
• 57:30
  Speaker 8: a legitimate top twenty five team, and that's where you
• 57:33
  Speaker 8: It's nice that you tak and hey get the offensive
• 57:35
  Speaker 8: flying chemistry down the first few weeks, figure out who
• 57:37
  Speaker 8: the top pass rushers are, and get some of the
• 57:40
  Speaker 8: other new players and the chemistry down between Dan Pere
• 57:42
  Speaker 8: and some of those new receivers that Utah added to.
• 57:44
  Speaker 8: So schedule sets up nicely, and I think, really Houston
• 57:47
  Speaker 8: is that other team. I think they're very much on
• 57:49
  Speaker 8: equal footing with Utah, and Arizona could be right there
• 57:52
  Speaker 8: as well too, So Big twelve in some ways will
• 57:54
  Speaker 8: be a little unpredictable again, especially with all the soresby news,
• 57:56
  Speaker 8: So it should be a lot of fun this year.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: I don't disagree with what you are saying in Houston
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: being maybe the first like really stiff test.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: But just for the people out there listening, that is
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: week eight.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: So we're talking about a possibility where like we're still
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: kind of wondering what Utah is until week eight of
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: the college football season. So that's Iowa Arkansas, Utah State,
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: Iowa State by Kansas, Colorado, and then Houston in week eight.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: Is your expectation that we're talking about.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: A six and one seven and oh, Utah team going
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: into that matchup with Houston.
• 58:33
  Speaker 8: I think if they're not seven and oh, it's a disappointment.
• 58:36
  Speaker 8: I really do when you look at how the schedule
• 58:38
  Speaker 8: sets up. You already mentioned getting those first three at home,
• 58:41
  Speaker 8: and yes, Utah State is still has some nice pieces,
• 58:44
  Speaker 8: but we even took a lot of the best pieces.
• 58:46
  Speaker 8: Right when you look at Pagan coming over and Kevin
• 58:48
  Speaker 8: mcgiven coming over to I, like McKay hill said, I
• 58:50
  Speaker 8: think he's a solid quarterback was the back of the BYU,
• 58:53
  Speaker 8: but I don't think he's walking in the right cycle
• 58:55
  Speaker 8: stadium getting a win. We already mentioned how much turnover
• 58:58
  Speaker 8: there is at Arkansas and also remember the last time
• 59:00
  Speaker 8: at SECT made the trip up to Salt Lake City
• 59:03
  Speaker 8: and the Utah defense, and that was a while ago,
• 59:05
  Speaker 8: but I assume remember what they did to that Floord team,
• 59:07
  Speaker 8: And I just think Morgan Scalley, this team, this staff,
• 59:09
  Speaker 8: they're gonna come ready. It takes a really good quarterback
• 59:12
  Speaker 8: to win in Salt Lake City. Even when Utah was
• 59:14
  Speaker 8: down a couple of years ago, it was rock O Beeckt,
• 59:16
  Speaker 8: it was Hoover who's now at TCU. It was for Feeda.
• 59:19
  Speaker 8: So it just takes a good quarterback play to beat Utah.
• 59:22
  Speaker 8: And I have a lot of questions about if the
• 59:23
  Speaker 8: Razorbacks are gonna have that this year. Even even talk
• 59:25
  Speaker 8: to people in Arkansas, They're gonna have questions about that too.
• 59:28
  Speaker 8: I know Colorado should be better, and they're talking about
• 59:32
  Speaker 8: some of the new staff editions they've made to making
• 59:34
  Speaker 8: them better, but I have to see it to believe it.
• 59:36
  Speaker 8: I know Lewis was a high recruit, but we have
• 59:38
  Speaker 8: to see if he's capable of it. And maybe Isaac
• 59:40
  Speaker 8: Wilson plays in that game. It's probably not likely, but
• 59:42
  Speaker 8: that would be quite the reunion there. And yeah, outside
• 59:45
  Speaker 8: of that, Kansas, I mean, Jalen Daniels is gone and
• 59:47
  Speaker 8: that program is just not trending in the right direction either.
• 59:50
  Speaker 8: Andre I mentioned that this time last year, Right, if
• 59:53
  Speaker 8: we had to go to Iowa State last year, I'd
• 59:54
  Speaker 8: be nervous about that. But there's a reason that Iowa
• 59:57
  Speaker 8: State is what it was. It was Matt Campbell and
• 59:59
  Speaker 8: he's gone, and they didn't have the same Utah. Almost
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 8: every one state, right, Iowa was state that wasn't the case.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 8: Almost everyone left. Yes, Utah lost a couple of key
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 8: players and coaches, but at least they returned some. Iowa
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 8: State returned almost nothing. So I really feel like this
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 8: schedule sets Utah up to be seven and zero. And
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 8: we do see this happen in college football seasons, where
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 8: a team gets a soft schedule, then they hit the
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 8: tough games, and then we learn about them. Are they
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 8: a team that's capable of contending with the best teams
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 8: in the league or were they a pretender? I hope
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 8: that for Utah it's that they are a two contender,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 8: But I just really do feel like this team should
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 8: be seven to zero, and the national media is going
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 8: to be questioning how good they are, and in some
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 8: ways it's going to be fair because I don't see
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 8: a top twenty five team on their schedule those first
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 8: few weeks of the season. J. T.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: Wister still is our guest talk at ut says, we
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: get ready for football camps starting right around the corner
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: of football season about six weeks away early September. Is
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: going to be fascinating watching this Utah team for the
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: first time under Morgan Scaley as the head coach. And
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: there you mentioned already some turnover on especially the defensive front.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: I like the linebackers that this team has. I think
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: that your defensive backfield looks pretty good. We'll see if
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: they're elite, but I think they look pretty good so far.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: My question for you is JT.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: How much consistency do you think there will be on
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: the defensive side of the ball. Morgan scally moves into
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: a head coaching role where he does not get to
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: handle the minutia. Right he's an administrator now. It's something
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: that he has mentioned many many times. That's the hardest
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: part of this transition for him. He doesn't have a
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: position group, he doesn't get to be quite his hands on.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: He's not calling the defense.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: And I know Colton Swan is going to do things
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: similarly to how Morgan did it. But just like Morgan
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: made tweaks and Kalonie Satake when he was running the
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: defense made tweaks, and Gary Anderson had his own flavor,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: and John Peas had his own flavor, and Kyle Whittingham
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: had adjustments based off of his own dad's defense. Right,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: Like it's a lineage, it's a consistent framework, but there's
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: always something a little bit different. How different do you
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: expect it to be? In year one under Colton Swamp.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think there will be some changes. I don't
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 8: think it will be crazy different. I just think having
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 8: been with Morgan for so long, he knows how Morgan
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 8: wants to do things. But I totally agree there are
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 8: going to be little differences, little wrinkles and things of
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 8: that flavor. I really hope that Utah can keep the
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 8: same blitzing style that they've had under Morgan, because I
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 8: think that was one of the biggest things that allowed
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 8: this team to be successful. Stop the run on first
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 8: and second down, and then hey, just recruit really good
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 8: corners on the outside who can hold up their nan
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 8: coverage and blitz the farm and also just send blitzes
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 8: on all types of different angles and just do all
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 8: types of different things that confuse and create chaos against quarterbacks.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 8: But one I don't even know if this is a wrinkle,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 8: but just what Utah has to do better is they
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 8: have to get better against the run. Had it then
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 8: a sixteen team college football playoff format last year and
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 8: Utah found their way in, I don't know how that
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 8: run defense would have held up against the best teams
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 8: in the country. And obviously they swapped a lot of
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 8: those pieces out for graduation and other things, and your
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 8: hope and some sophomores can step up, but that's just
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 8: an area that has to get better.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 7: And I agree with you, I do.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 8: I like the linebackers here, right Johnathan Hall, I think
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 8: he's coming along nicely. Last year's first full year as
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 8: a starter. Of course, was a safety at one point,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 8: but look sent him down to Big twelve media days.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 8: He should lead this team and tackles once again. And
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 8: I think heeps seeking missile at the linebacker spot, and
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 8: Trey Reynolds is really solid next to him. And that's
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 8: not even mentioning Cyrus Paulo guys a freshman last year.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 8: I think sophomore should really step up there. But in
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 8: order for those guys to do what they do best,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 8: that defensive front has to stop the run. And I'm
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 8: curious to see how those freshmen to sophomore stepping up.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 8: Like Parson Kfusi's a guy a lot of people are
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 8: talking about. He's generating a lot of buzz as someone
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 8: who can step up. Then you need some of those transfers.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 8: He added multiple transfers a defensive tackle spot. I think
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 8: jah or Moa is a guy from San Jose State
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 8: who he has a great shot to be the team
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 8: starter too. But you need those guys to take on
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 8: the double teams. You hope a Lance Holtzklack can do
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 8: a good job getting after the quarterback, along with the
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 8: Cash Dylan defensive end and Ethan Day the North Texas
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 8: transfer to. But this is a team that has to
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 8: stop the runoff front. That's the number one part already
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 8: for this group.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: Ben.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 8: We'll see how things change slightly schematically, but I really
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 8: do still believe this Utah team is just going to
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 8: do everything they can to put pressure on quarterbacks to
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 8: try to get in those third and long situations and
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 8: still have those cornerbacks hold up on the outside against
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 8: those wide receivers for a limited amount of time while
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 8: you send a lot of pressure. So what all the
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 8: changes will look like, I'm curious to see, but I
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 8: do think this Utah defense will remain run the ball,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 8: play a league defense. I still think it's going to
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 8: be the calling card for this Utah football program, regardless
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 8: of the slight coaching.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: Change last year this time, a lot of us were
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: talking about this is Logan Fano's year. He's the guy
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: who's going to be the new mayor of Sac Lake City.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: He's going to be the one that creates nightmares for
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: opposing offensive tackles and ended up being John Henry Daily instead,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: So you know, we were wrong about who it was.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: But the result kind of doesn't matter as long as
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: you have somebody doing it, as long as you have
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: a disruptor rushing the passer. And I want to know
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: if you think they're there is one like Lance Holtzklaw
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: is supposed to be the guy, He's the one they
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: send down there to Big twelve media Days to be
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: kind of the face the voice of that defensive front.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: But again, that was Logan Fano last year and it
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: didn't play out that way on the field.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: So will it be Lance Holtzklaw.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: Is that somebody else on this roster that is going
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: to lead this team in sacks?
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 8: Yeah? I think it is Lance. I think it's a
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 8: safe bet when you look at and I do. I
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 8: just have a hard time believing Utah would send him
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 8: down to Big twelve media Days if they didn't think
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 8: he was going to be one of the guys. And
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 8: you mentioned, right, Logan Fano was a guy last year
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 8: who they were excited about too, and John Henry Daily
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 8: did surprise us. But it just feels like a lot
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 8: of things are trending. The direction for Lance to have
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 8: a big year came over from Washington last year. Actually
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 8: only had a sack and half, so that's where it
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 8: was kind of like, Oh, this is the guy that's
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 8: going down to Big twelve media Day, a guy who
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 8: only had a sack at half and that sack actually
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 8: came against Nebraska though it wasn't even the regular season,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 8: but he was still a reliable contributor on that defensive one.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 8: I think he was still did a good job stop
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 8: in the run and can't create pressure, and I did
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 8: like what we saw from him in the ball game.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 8: The ball game felt like it was a teaser in
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 8: many ways for what's to come for this Utah football
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 8: team across college football, so bowl games kind of are
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 8: now with some of the opt outs and things we
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 8: see of that nature. So I think Lance will be
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 8: the guy when you look at the athleticism, you look
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 8: at the veteran leadership that he brings out there too,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 8: I think he's going to be a guy you talk
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 8: and rally behind. I will say Utahs the leader in
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 8: sack production. Returning was obviously John Henry Daley led the
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 8: team he left. You said that, but it was actually
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 8: Cash Dyllon who sophomore last year was a retrot freshman basically,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 8: but second year with the team, coming from Corner Canyon
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 8: High School. Half three and a half sacks, and I
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 8: thought he was solid. I liked what he showed too.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 8: I think Lance will still be the guy that is
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 8: the mayor of Sac Lake City, but I do think
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 8: Cash starts opposite of him, another guy that just continues
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 8: to learn, grow and get better. He played a lot
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 8: of sophomore year and think we'll see even more action
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 8: this year. And I already mentioned Ethan Day. I just
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 8: think that's a guy to.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: Keep an eye on.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 8: The fact that he's already on the leadership council was
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 8: something that was really interesting to me. It shows what
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 8: a quick impact that he's been able to bring. Obviously
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 8: had a huge impact on North Texas's success last year
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 8: there at the mean Green only have four and a
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 8: half sacks, So how does that project to the P
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 8: four level. We will wait and see there. But he
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 8: is a guy I expect to find his way on
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 8: the field fairly frequently and who knows, maybe Minpaul Fitzgerald
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 8: can finally contribute. Came over from Utah State a couple
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 8: of years ago at eight and a half sacks. Back
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 8: then with the Jaggies, hasn't done much, but maybe this
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 8: will be the year he can get healthy, he can
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 8: click and make things happen. I feel like the defensive
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 8: end room is pretty well stocked. This guy to have
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 8: confidence there. Defensive tackle room, it's more of an enigma
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 8: to me. But I still go with hul Squad being
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 8: the guy to lead the team sacks.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: You mentioned something right, and you have to every time
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: when we're talking about players that unfortunately have been snake
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: bit to this point. Yeah, if this guy gets healthy,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: then maybe he'll be something special. If this guy can
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: stay healthy and the health of this Utah football team
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: has been a major conversation in the last you know, well,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: at least three of the last four years, you've missed
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: some big time players due to injure. Even last year
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: ended up being a great season, Devin dan Pierre was
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: not what he wanted to be right.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: He was dealing with the sports hernias.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: He was quiet about it during the season, but he
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: had surgery after the season to repair it. We expect
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: him to be more consistently explosive this year, and if not,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: I guess now you know that you can trust Bird
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: Ficklin in big time situations. But they made a change
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: in the strength and conditioning program this offseason. Steve Saunders
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: comes in gets elevated after just a few months with
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: the staff, And that's.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: Really kind of what it comes down to. That's what
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: those guys are for.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: They're supposed to physically prepare a team, get them ready,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: and make them more durable in addition to being faster,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: more explosive, stronger, et cetera. Do you think that there
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: will be a notable or a marked difference or improvement
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: hopefully on that front.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 8: I think there will be. I think this is where
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 8: the change to Morgan Scalley will really benefit Utah football. Well,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 8: Kyle did an amazing job right. He helped put Utah
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 8: football on the national map in a way it wasn't before.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 8: But no matter how great a coach is, some of
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 8: his ten season styles just don't always translate to the
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 8: modern game. And I do think the way that Kyle
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 8: and the way he liked to have his team train
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 8: and prepare at Some of the things of that nature
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 8: led the guys getting hurt a lot more frequently, and
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 8: I think Morgan understands that it changes needs. He actually
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 8: even said as much as Big twelve Media Day when
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 8: he was on the main stage. He made a comment
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 8: he was asked about the culture of the team and
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 8: he said, you know, we're not going to change much,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 8: just a little thing. And one of the little things
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 8: he did mention was the preparation. So I do feel
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 8: like that will be a huge priority for this Utah
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 8: football team. Kyle always said like you will become us,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 8: not we will become you, and I think Utah will
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 8: keep that motto intact. But I do think under Morgan
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 8: they will do a better job of catering plans to
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 8: keep the best guys out there available and on the field.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 8: You mentioned like to see injuries we've seen over the
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 8: course of the year for this Utah team. Then this
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 8: was than an issue. I don't think of the training
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 8: and regimen and those things, but John Henry daily goes down.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 8: That's a huge part of the reason the run defense
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 8: fell off. U John needs to do everything in their
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 8: power to keep those type of guys on the field
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 8: to keep them healthy, to keep the Devin damp Piers
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 8: of the world out there. Because we mentioned Bert, I
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 8: think Bird is ready for a bigger load. I think
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 8: he will do a good job. One of the reasons
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 8: Bird Fitlim was amazing last year was because more times
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 8: than not he only had to make one guy miss
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 8: when he was running the ball, because that's how dominant
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 8: the Utah offensive line is. I think the Utah offensive
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 8: line will be solid this season. I don't know if
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 8: we'll use the word dominant each and every game because
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 8: they just don't have that level of first round prowess.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 8: I mean, two offensive linemen going there is still crazy
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 8: what they were able to do last year. So to me,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 8: this is a Utah football team that has to do
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 8: a better job of keeping those key pieces healthy. Enup right,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 8: Devin dam Pierre, Let's really be careful with how much
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 8: we run him.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: You don't want to.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 8: Completely change his game, but if he gets hurt, I
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 8: just don't see how this team competes for a Big
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 8: twelve title. So there are changes I think that can
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 8: be made to make sure this team's in the best
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 8: spot possible to keep those top guys healthy, and I
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 8: think that's what this Utah staff is going to do.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 8: I think the off season training, the preparation, all those
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 8: things will set themselves up to keep those guys healthy
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 8: throughout the fall camp duration and they'll be ready to
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 8: go come Idaho and especially against some of.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: Those big games. Injuries are going.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 8: To happen, but there are things that you talk can
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 8: do differently to help make sure those guys are going
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 8: to be okay, And I do think that's the approach
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 8: Morgan Scalley will take.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: Several times now, Morgan Scalley has praised the wide receiving
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: corps and look, on paper, you bring in a bunch
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: of production. You have some production from last year's roster
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: coming back, but really what you brought in with Kyrie
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: Scholz and Pagan and those guys is what people are
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: excited about. A healthy Creed Widemore who started to show
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: some flashes toward the end of last season. So it's
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: great to hear a head coach be like, this might
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: be the most talented wide receiving corps we've ever had.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: JT.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: What does it actually mean though for Utah Because in
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: the past it's like, well, you don't really have a
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: wide Receiving Corp. You're relying on your tight ends to
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: get all of your production, so comparison is the thief
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: of joy in that regard. For me, it's like, this
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: is the best room we've ever had. Well cool, some
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: of the rooms you've had in the past were just
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: like terrible, honestly, And does it mean that this is
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: a past first offense? Mcgiven really really likes to get
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: those guys in space and let him make plays. While
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: we're here in prognostication season when we're just predicting, we
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: don't actually know. How do you envision the impact of
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: that new wide receiver room in this Utah offense?
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's going to be a tremendous impact,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 8: and I think it has to be. But you did
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 8: a great job mentioning Sean. I mean, it is not
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 8: a high bar to clear for the best wide receiver
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 8: room overall. Yes, we've had Dorian Singer, we've had Devon Veley,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 8: but it hasn't been a collective wide receiver room. It's
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 8: been wide receivers and tight ends and the tight end
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 8: front right, I mean, Hunter Andrews is degenerating. A lot
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 8: of buzz players were talking about him at Big twelve
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 8: media days. So it sounds like he's healthy, sounds like
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 8: he's back, sounds like he's good to go. But outside
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 8: him and even he had less than one hundred yards
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 8: receiving last year. Limited sample size, but still there's a
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 8: lot of questions in that tight end room. Feels like
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 8: less questions in that wide receiver room. Look, Pagan was
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 8: really good in mcgiven's offense last year at Utah State,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 8: first team All Conference Mountain West. A guy who can
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 8: go up and get the ball to I mean, just
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 8: a true wide receiver one really can do everything well.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 8: Schultz is a guy with some speed that really excites me.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 8: Coming out from San Jose State. I think he made
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 8: plays against the likes of Texas a season ago, a
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 8: huge game against Stanford. It just feels like he's ready
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 8: for his powerful opportunity. And look, replacing Ryan Davis is
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 8: always going to be tough for Utah, but man just
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 8: creed way to more look up for the task. It
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 8: was a limited sample size that I really like when
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 8: he's capable of and the slaughter guy who can consistently
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 8: create separation and Devin Dan Pierre is a good passler,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 8: but he is not a being talked about as the
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 8: first round quarterback for a reason. He does need to
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 8: hone in tighten up some of the accuracy areas of
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 8: his game, but we know one of the things he
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 8: does well is kind of that short area of the field.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 8: That's where the tight ends, those slot receivers really come
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 8: into play and where I think Ryan Davis can make
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 8: a big impact.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: And going on the other.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 8: Side of the question he talked about it is it's
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 8: going to be a path for us offense. I think
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 8: that would be a mistake when you have way Shawn Parker,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 8: when you have Bird Ficklin, when you have Dampier, even
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 8: if you want to be careful with how much you
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 8: run him, I just think you still want to establish
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 8: the run first and foremost and lean on the strength
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 8: of your team, which is still the physicality an offensive
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 8: line that has been waiting for their opportunity for a
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 8: long time that I still think will we'll do a
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 8: good job. I think when a lot of these first
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 8: year head coaches come in, they make mistakes when they
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 8: really try to change things up from what's worked. Jason
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 8: Beck's offense really worked, and while Kevin McGibbon is going
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 8: to make some tweaks and some changes. I think a
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 8: lot of those elements should stay the same. I'd love
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 8: to still see a six offensive line, and Kevin McGibbon
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 8: used a lot of motion just like Jason Beck does,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 8: so I do expect that to stay the same. But
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 8: I just feel like this Utah team will be the
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 8: best version of itself if they do run the ball.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 8: Because while we've also heard about the hype four of
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 8: these wide receivers, none of these guys have proven they
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 8: can be high level, powerful football players, even Larry Simmons, right.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 8: I like Larry Simmons. He was good down the stretch
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 8: last year, but it took some time to get going
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 8: in in some of the bigger games.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 7: We didn't see.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 8: As much of him, but we saw. We know that
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 8: way Shaw Parkers came delivering. We know that Devin Dampier
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 8: is on this level. I really want to see Utah
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 8: established the run first and then use it to set
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 8: up the pass. I still think it remains a run
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 8: first offense because Morgan is still a ky winning hand disciple.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 8: He learned run the ball, don't turn it over. He
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 8: might be a little more okay to let me give
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 8: an air it out. That's still going to be the
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 8: main mindset and the main focus. I expect his offense
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 8: to be run first, but I do think it will
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 8: be much more of a closer to fifty to fifty
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 8: split maybe than we've seen in fight some time, because
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 8: Morgan's trust I think in damp here all.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: Right, before I let you go, JT, this is where
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: I give you the opportunity to look like an absolute
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: genius later in the year, and you can tell me
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: who this year's breakout star is. You want to do
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: offensive and defense, if you want to do overall, whatever.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: We all have our predictions, right the guy that maybe
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: hasn't talked about enough a recruit you see coming in,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: a transfer, you see coming in that everyone's going to
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: be gaga over. There were a couple folks who texted
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: us last year and said, oh, John Henry Daily Man,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: watch what this kid's gonna do this year. They were
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: all right, he wasn't the guy that I tagged. But
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: all those people who said that were absolutely correct. Who
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: is that guy this year for the University of Utah
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: football team?
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll name one.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 8: On defense, I think's a little more underrated. If I'm
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 8: going for accuracy, I think you gotta go with Daniel Bray, right.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 8: I mean, if Morgan Scally's the one being like, this
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 8: guy looks awesome, and we are the players talking about
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 8: Bray in addition to Hunter Andrews, the guy is generating hype.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 8: Bray just seems like such an easy pick. I mean,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 8: what a special debut he had against BYU. Speed like
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 8: his is rare at this level, and I really think
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 8: that Utah is going to find a way to utilize
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 8: it and get him in the best positions they can
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 8: to succeed. Sounds like he is RB two behind way
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 8: Sean Parker, and even if Parker gets most of the carries,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 8: I still think they're going to look to get Bray
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 8: the ball in different scenarios. Just his speed is shifting.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 8: It's the ability to break tackles. Guy went over three
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 8: hundred dollar purpose yards last year. In Bray, I think
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 8: we're gonna see a larger workload for him, So that'd
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 8: be my main breakout Candadates just based on the comments
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 8: and how the freshman looked last year, projecting the sophomore
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 8: league slightly under the rare R one was actually who
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 8: my pick was last year. I'm gonna go with Rabbit Evans.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 8: I thought Rabbit Evans was gonna have a monster year
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 8: on this Utah defense. Unfortunately, injuries limited him to just
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 8: the one game and he was knocked out for the
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 8: season after that. In that twenty four season, a mostly
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 8: forgettable year for Utah, Evans really came on strong down
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 8: the stretch. I think he does a lot of things
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 8: wellout the safety spot, particularly from a tackling standpoint. I
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 8: think he really can make things, make plays and make
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 8: things happen in the box. And I expect him to
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 8: make a lot of plays behind the line of scrimmage
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 8: this fall too. So for more slightly under the rare one,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 8: I'll just do Robit Evans because I feel like a
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 8: lot of people have forgot about him. But feels like
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 8: Bray is a safe pick for the main breakout guy
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 8: in Salt Lake City this season. J T.
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  Speaker 1: I love the picks.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: We'll write him down and then we'll give you the
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: opportunity to come on and later and gloat about being
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: correct if you are.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: We'll also just ignore it if you're not correct.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 8: Yeah, everything always gets forgotten, right so that no one
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 8: ever holds you to your bat takes in this industry,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 8: so I figure right on that. Oh see, Hey, thank
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 8: you so much for having me on This is blast.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 8: Appreciate you guys.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: Thanks JT. That's JT.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: Wester, Show, host of the Lockdown Utes podcast, the writer
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: for Ute Authority. Check about twenty four to seven sports
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: dot com on the Utah front. Look, there's there's a
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: lot of guys, right. One of the exciting things. But
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: the scary things about roster turnover is there are a
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: lot of guys on this Utah football roster that are
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: talented and largely unproven. And even the guys who we've
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: seen a lot of, or we've seen a relative amount of,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: we don't have a bunch of like every down returning
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: starter type high level guys. What do those guys end
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: up being this year when they step into that role?
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: Like we love Cash Dyllan, I think Cash Jillon ceiling
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: is incredibly high. I think Alance Holds class ceiling is
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: incredibly high. What do they look like when it is
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: your gig, when it's your job, when it's your position,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: When you're the guy who gets twelve reps a game
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: of rest and every other down it's you, some guys
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: rise to that occasion. Some guys they just don't have that.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: We have twenty something of those on the Utah roster
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: this year for a little question mark positive, cautious optimism,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: but realism as well. I like JT's picks, though on
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: the breakout Stars, Daniel Bray makes perfect sense. Rabbit Evans
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: is a little bit more of a deep cut. But man,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: how huge would that be for this Utah football team
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: if he could stay healthy and ended up being the
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: safety that a lot of people think he could be.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: Daily Dump is coming next. I did not know about this,
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  Speaker 2: because it's one hundred and twenty two degrees outside. It's
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  Speaker 2: Let me pull out the app here. We hit one
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  Speaker 2: we're you know what, We're a breezy ninety four degrees here.
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  Speaker 1: That's no problem. I have ninety six today. What are
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  Speaker 1: we crying about? Kids? Now, that's a that's a warm day.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: Set an all time record over the weekend in Salt
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: Lake City at one hundred and nine degrees apparently.
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  Speaker 1: Let me tell you what okay, so let me tell
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: you what that did. In our house.
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  Speaker 2: My uh my wife decided that my daughters needed rabbits
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: as pets bunnies. Yeah, and so we got you know,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: a little hutch. We have four rabbits with hilarious names
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: that just don't make sense. Cotton Candy has won, Puff Cheeto,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: and Darthy because it's a black bunny and they wanted
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: to name it Darth Vader, but the bunny's a girl,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: so it's Darthy.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, they're they're outside in this little rabbit hutch, and
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: it was decided on one hundred and nine degree day
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: that that was unsafe for the bunnies. And we were
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: going down to the provo for the little family fun
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: with the in laws, and my wife is like, we
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: can't leave them outside.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: They'll they'll it's too hot. Yep.
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  Speaker 2: It's like they're bunnies. It's like we have to do something.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: So the genius plan was we have you know, there's
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: like we've got a downstairs bathroom that's like wasn't part
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: of the remodel initially not great, not a great bathroom,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: if you know what I'm saying. It's like the old
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: tile and things like that. I was like, just put
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  Speaker 2: him in there. It's nice and cool down there. I
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: was like, just put him in there. You would be amazed,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: Zach at the amount of waste four bunnies can create.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: It like a six to eight hour span while you're
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: down at a family party in Provo's that bad. The
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: bathroom looked like it had been rented out to a
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: rhinoceros at the zoo.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy, just absolutely insane.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, next time it's one
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: hundred degrees, We're just throwing a fan on them.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was crazy. Anyway.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was up with my parents, uh Saturday and canvas.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: It was pretty hot, and they have chickens now okay,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: and we went in there started laying eggs finally, which
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: is good, good news.
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  Speaker 5: But it was like.
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  Speaker 3: Ninety degrees in their coop and I'm like, dude, And
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: then I'm running my Australian Shepherd border Collie mix, who's fluffy. Yeah,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: and she's like dying. I'm like ten minutes. He's like
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: already in the shade.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: I'm like who. This was up in canvas. He said, yeah,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: so that's the mountains. That's cooler. It's still hot though.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: It was really hot, very.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: Hot anyway, hot day, hot weekend.
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  Speaker 1: not come.
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  Speaker 2: From a video game era where there were in game
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  Speaker 2: purchases that you would have, like you know, skins that
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  Speaker 2: you could buy, and you could pay credits, and the
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  Speaker 2: only way you actually get credits in the game, like
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  Speaker 2: the game currency, is with real money. I'm not I
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  Speaker 2: was already aged out of the video game world because
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: I'm an old, lame dad now before any of that
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  Speaker 2: stuff really became a thing. It is a big thing, though,
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  Speaker 2: and EA Sports has received a bunch of backlash from
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  Speaker 2: the fan base over the fact that they put in
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  Speaker 2: their College Football twenty twenty seven they put micro transactions
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  Speaker 2: in the game where if you wanted to level up
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  Speaker 2: in your Dynasty mode, if you wanted to go into
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  Speaker 2: you know, the next Step or whatever, you could buy
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  Speaker 2: your way in, and that is obviously not the fabric
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: of what this game was at the beginning, and a
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: bunch of like Twitch streamers and influential individuals in the
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: video gaming world were just like, no, we're boycotting this
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: game because you should not have to pay in order
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: to do this, which is the most ironic thing ever.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: Like EA Sports, what you did is you just made
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: the game a lot more like college football in real life. Yeah,
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: where you got to be able to pay to be
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: an elite team, right, Unfortunately, that is not what fans want.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: Like the chagrin of most college football.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: Fans right now is that, like, you know, even great,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: historically awesome programs like what Utah has been these last
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: several years, and what Stanford and Cal and some of
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: those teams have been. I mean, USC is like, how
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: do we get back to the level we were at?
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: And the answer is money, money, money, money, right well,
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: throwing that into the video game world when it is
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: a massive frustration for people watching the sport as actual fans,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: probably not the smartest idea that EA Sports has ever had.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: And these influencers and these video game streamers, they punished
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: them for it, and power to the people, man, the
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: revolution is upon us. EA Sports read the room, saw
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: the reaction and said, you know what, we're taking these
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: out and now now video games are not actual CDs
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: or cartridges. Apparently you just download them onto your system.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: They're off the internet, so it's like a bug. It's
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: like the update on your iPhone where they make it
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: obsolete after two years and you have to get a
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: new one. They're able to remove some of these things
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: from the game and return to the desires of their
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: fan base. Miraculous, incredible. I give EA Sports. Obviously, they've
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: got buildings here in Utah. I'll give them a ton
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: of credit for reacting the way that a lot of
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: corporate entities don't. They say, well, tough, we're getting money
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: out of this, but they saw that the reaction was
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: not what the fans actually wanted. They're also there were
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: prominent players in college football that had decided not to
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: lend their name, image, and likeness to the game because
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: micro transactions were going to be part of the game.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: There were guys taking a stance against that because this
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: is a thing that again I didn't have to deal
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: with when I was young, thank goodness.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: But there's you know, kids.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: Are impulsive, and kids playing video games are often presented
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: with this, Hey, do you want to buy this like
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: cool Fortnite's outfit for your character? And they're just like yes,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: and it ends up costing people real money. Mom and
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: Dad end up with like a four hundred dollars bill
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: because they somehow foolishly attached their credit card and didn't
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: put the set the PNAL renal controls and things like that.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: So players being aware of that, or at least their
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: agents and parents being aware of that and saying, hey,
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: don't be involved in a game that has micro transactions.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: I'm glad that this is a heartwarming story for me
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: because so often the consumer, even when it's not in
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: your best interest, it's just kind of like, got tough.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: We're trying to get as much money as we can.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: You want to play the game, you gotta pay micro
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: transactions out single player micro transactions are gone after significant
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: backlash in EA College Football twenty seven. Well done to
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: all of you Robin Hood revolutionaries out there in the
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: video game world. I don't know if all of you
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: are aware of Jacob Michiowski, the Nationals pitcher who is
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: just throwing.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: Heat right now.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: I think I know where you're going with this.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: Again, this is something generationally that doesn't make a ton
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: of sense to me because.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: I was, Oh, I had already.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: I was too old for Pokemon, all right, Zach, You're
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: like prime age for the Pokemon phenomenon.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: Yep, right.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 5: I still play it to this day.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: My younger brother Patrick is here in studio with us.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: My Patrick had Pokemon cards. I wish he had like
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: he was like first generation Pokemon cards, like when they
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: first got popular and came out. I wish we had
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: kept all those Pokemon cards because there probably would have
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: been a couple of good ones in there. And now
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know why the algorithm feeds me all these
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: card collectors. There's I saw someone buy a Charizard for
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: a couple of million bucks or whatever. Yeah, insane anyway,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: So we are now in this very odd space where
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: something like that was not a pop culture phenomenon in
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: my era. It's one that I'm aware of because you know,
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: I had a younger brother, and I'm not living under
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: a rock. But the Pokemon thing is now like right
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: in the wheelhouse of the thirty to well twenty five
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: to thirty five year old range, where those guys have money,
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: and some of these guys are professional athletes and they
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: love themselves some Pokemon, like the Paul brothers Jake and
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: Logan Paul are big Pokemon dudes, and they like they
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: buy expensive cards and have them set into jewelry pieces
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: they hang around their neck.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: It's like this whole thing.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: Well, Jacob Izarowski got this this Charizard card glove commemorative
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: glove baseball glove for the All Star Game. And I
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: don't think he's actually gonna be able to play in
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: this thing, but it's like, you know, it's a show
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: piece for his All Star Game photos and all that
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff. It's a glove that in the webbing,
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: in the netting, it has a Charizard card sewn.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 5: Into it, which I think is so cool.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: By the way.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: Look for me, it's the wrong pop culture crossover for me.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: I'm like, give me a Star Wars baseball glove. Give
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: me all of those stupid mockups that used to be
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: popular like ten years ago, where it's like, hey, this
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: is what the football helmet would look like if every
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: NFL team was a Star Wars mascot. I love that crap,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: man like that, because that's give me the X Men, Marvel,
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: all that stuff.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: If you're an All Star baseball player.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: If I ever had made it to that level of
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: a traditional bat and ball sport or whatever, and I'd
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: gotten some collab done, it would have I would have
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: tried to do it with like Marvel. I would have
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: tried to do it with Lucasfilm and Star Wars. Right,
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: these guys, these young guys that are like, dude, give
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: me some Pokemon collab.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: It's cool. I like it.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: It's it's lost a little bit on me because I'm like,
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: I know that there are like expensive chars Aarn cards
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: out there. I know that Jars Ared was like the
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: original og like Mega Pokemon. Now there's seventy trillion of
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: the dang things. I can't keep track of any of them.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: But kind of cool that a major league baseball player.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: It also bridge is a gap that used to be
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: a gap and no longer is Like in my generation
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: of you know, pop culture crossover. If you are the
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: kid who was like super into Pokemon, you probably weren't
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: also the elite baseball, basketball, football player. Yeah, Like there
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: used to be a separation the magic. The Gathering kids
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: were for the most part, not the best kids on
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: the sports teams. The Dungeons and Dragons kids were for
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: the most part not necessarily into that kind of stuff.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: All the dudes painting the little Warhammer five thousand or
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: whatever it's called figurines probably weren't spending a ton of
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: time in the weight room. But now there is not
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: this like divide that the jock nerd divide thing doesn't
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: exist anymore. It's totally acceptable if you're you know, the
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: sports guy to be deep in on anime and on
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: Pokemon and on Star Wars and all that stuff and
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: vice versa. Right, if you're the Pokemon you might also
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: be the best dang basketball player on the team, which
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: is really neat.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: I like that that is not like the clickiness of
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: all that was.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: Always dumb and now it's gone and pro athletes are
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: just like, yeah, dude, I love Pokemon cards, like, okay, cool.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: I think it's definitely easier for them to kind of
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: come out about that stuff easier too, yeah, because it's
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 3: it's already been mixed together. And like I'm that type
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 3: of kid too, Like in high school too, Like I
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: was probably one of the fastest swimmers on the team,
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: and I was like playing Pokemon, I was playing Spyro,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: I was playing you know.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: But swimming is always like kind of a nerdy sport,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: right really, I mean, like Michael Phelps was definitely like
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: kind of a weird dude. Right, I'm not the weird
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: dude's football player too, But I mean I tease you,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: I kid, but like it, like it really is neat,
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: and I wanted I want to know if he's actually
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: going to like play in this glove, because you can't do.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: It in a Major League Baseball and an All Star game.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 5: Maybe you can, yeah, I mean all Star games for fun.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: And And.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: How secure is that charsred card if it's like a
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: good card, if it's like one of the crazy holographic ones,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: and then a baseball hits it. Suddenly your expensive card
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: is no longer worth anything.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: It's been in half. You can't get graded anymore.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: I'm also blown away that this era of card collecting
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: on sports front everything. The mass production of cards in
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: you know, my dad's generation and then my generation made
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: it so like it was really hard to have valuable
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: cards in my generation because they just overprinted all these things.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: Now Baseball cards, basketball cards, Pokemon cards, everything, they have
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: these crazy special edition things, and the hobby is thriving.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: It's pretty cool.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 5: It looks pretty secure in that glove.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: Like if he gets a comebacker off of Kyle Schwarber's bat.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that might be a different store that.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: That Charizard's exploding.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: But you know what, if I'm a card collector with
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: unlimited money like some of these guys appear to have,
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: and then I can buy the card that got damaged
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: for being in the Major League Baseball All Star Game.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: That's even cooler than having like a mint condition one. Yeah, exactly,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: because that's a true one of one of one. It's
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: already a rare card. Potentially, I don't know, I think
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: Probably is.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: It's already kind of a rare card, and it's the
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: only card ever that got damaged in a major league sport.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 5: Let's go, yeah, there you go.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: I want that damaged card.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: Now, let's put that in the budget here at ESPN
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: seven hundred in ninety twofm. All right, I gotta take
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: a break here. That's the end of the Daily Dump.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: Ben Krittle's gonna join us at one o'clock. The last
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: segment of this second hour Billable Hours and Lawyers are Undefeated.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: A new eligibility model in college football, college basketball, college
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: sports age based model five years to play already the
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: lawsuits are out there. Hey wait a second, I deserve
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: another year of eligibility. We'll talk about whether or not
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: you can grandfather in an entire senior class for an.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: Extra year of eligibility.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: It's the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN seven hundred and
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: ninety two one FM.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 6: You were listening to the Sean O'Connell Show from the
• 1:36:27
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• 1:36:31
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• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: West.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: All Right, bet Cral's going to join us for a
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  Speaker 2: little BYU cross over a little red and blue if
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: you will.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: It's the top of our third hour.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: It's the Sean O'Connell Show here on ESPN seven hundred
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: and ninety two one FM. Another class action lawsuit against
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: the nc DOUBLEA. This one eleven athletes, including a former
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: Division one basketball standouts, Kate tie In brock Weisney Uh.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: They have filed a last They've filed a class action
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: lawsuit in Colorado alleging the NCAA and its new eligibility
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: rules again age base model five years to play five
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: has adversatively affected their ability to extend their college careers
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: and the nil benefits attached to that opportunity. They're not
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: pro basketball players, they're not pro level basketball players. They
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: want another year of eligibility. Moving forward, other players are
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: going to get another year of eligibility.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: It's going to be five for five.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: We talked about this with you know good Devin Dan
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: Pierre potentially use this other guys in the conference, other
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: guys on this Utah football team. Well, this is one
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: that Sorry, at some point you have to draw the line.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: And these are players whose eligibility ended this last year,
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: this this graduating season. Right, everyone just walked in May
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: or whatever their college graduations, so the twenty twenty five
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty six season was their last season. And they're like, well,
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: hold on a minute, No, if everyone's getting five years now,
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: we should get five years, which is fine, except why
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: is it only you if the rule doesn't go into
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: effect until twenty twenty six, the twenty twenty six twenty
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: twenty seven academic year, why do you think the twenty
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: I know you're close to it, right, It's like all
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: the guys that graduated the year before NIL became a thing,
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: or two years or five years or even like in
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: that decade before NL become a thing, all the guys
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: my age, like, God's so far away, man, it would
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: have been nice, though. Imagine being the dude that had
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: a college career that was worth five million dollars and
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: you got zero because NIL didn't become a thing until
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: the year after you graduated. So it makes sense that
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: these people are upset. Eleven of them are filing a
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: loss saying give us more eligibility so we can earn
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: more nil money and coaches out there, and this is
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: applying to mostly basketball people right now.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: Football is.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't cross over necessarily. It's not as
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: it's not like a multi year season. I guess your
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: postseason is in the new academic year, but it's at
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: the start of your semesters, before that second semester, So
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: eligibility rules are a little bit clear on the timeline when
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: it comes to things like football, these winter and spring sports,
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: they just they want to keep going back to the well,
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: especially if that well is full of nil money for them.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: And I totally understand.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: Now, Athletic directors coaches conferences are like, hey, we don't
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: we got to draw the line somewhere, and the players
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: are like, yeah, yeah, we know you think that, but
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: I want my money, I want my opportunity to play.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: And we saw this in COVID, right, everyone got an
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: extra year of their scholarship, everyone got an extra year
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: of eligibility because COVID just didn't count.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: The reason that college athletics is not enthusiastic about even
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: bringing back the seniors from last year is.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: Because they can't afford it. Nobody can afford to be like,
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: all right.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: We got ten extra scholarships this year. You know, great,
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: that is add more depth. Your roster limit goes up
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: ten players COVID rules. Just five years ago, six years ago,
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: we did this. You know why people don't want to
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: do it anymore because it's too expensive. The business of
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: college sports now cost these schools too much money.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: They don't want to have to do it.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: Some coaches have gone on record, Doug Gottlieb, who's a
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: reporter and a coach, which is very odd. He said, look,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: we'll make the space if we're allowed to, but it's
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: going to come at the expense of somebody. Either a
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: freshman's not going to get the time, they're not going
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: to get the NIL money because it's not unlimited anymore.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: Ever was, but it's far more limited now because you're
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: basically extending yourself all the way out every single season,
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: and then you're asking your boosters and your NIL fund
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: and your revenue share for even.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: More billible hours. Man lawyers are undefeated.
• 1:41:18
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• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: a little legal advice out on a golf course, right,
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: if you have not yet played the Stansbury Park golf Course,
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: well how about this this weekend. It's not as hot
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: as last weekend. You're gonna be in the nineties instead
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: of the one hundreds. It's the historic Tuila County golf Course.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: It's not as far as you think it is. There's
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: water on almost every single hole. There's wildlife out there.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: You're gonna see the prong horn antelope, which I like.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you like that.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: The greens world true.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: The layout keeps you focused, gets you fired up, and yeah,
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: there's gonna be a hole that is just absolutely devastating
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: for your score or the score or whatever. Friend you
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: want to talk trash too while you play. Traffic is light,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: no long waits, don't worry about pace of play, no
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: overpriced green fees.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: It's pure golf.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: Eighteen holes this weekend for only forty five dollars. Oh sorry,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: fifty dollars on a weekend, forty five on weekdays. Fifty
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: dollars round this weekend, forty five on the weekdays. Right
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: off of I eighty, super easy to get to and
• 1:42:19
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• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: Stick around and explore Twila County while you're there.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: Stansbury Park Golf, great rates, gorgeous greens, all just a
• 1:42:33
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  Speaker 6: You're tuned to the show on O'Connell's show from the
• 1:43:01
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  Speaker 6: to one.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: Alf am technological update. Here in the studio, Zach was
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: able to find the France and Spain World Cup semi
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: final game seven minutes in scoreless. So far you got
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: it turned on on our complicated multimedia set up here
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: in the studio, the aspect ratio is a little bit off.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: For some reason, we're zoomed into like one hundred and
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: ten percent. I don't know why, but so you know,
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: a minus because the game is on and the zoomman
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: makes it look a little bit faster, which I like.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: We started the show today talking about the expectations for
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: Big twelve win totals and BYU and Utah are on
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: the same level according to Vegas Now. We talked about
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: the nuance of the difference in schedules and things like that.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: Of course, the two teams will meet one another in
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: November as well, and we check in on the cougar
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: side of things with the former kook himself, Ben Krettle,
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: who is of course hosting his own radio show over
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: on our sister station, Ben Crittle, What's up?
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  Speaker 4: What's up guys? What are you guys talking about today?
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  Speaker 4: What do you guys got cooking over there on ESPN
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  Speaker 4: seven hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I went and I looked at the Vegas win
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  Speaker 2: totals for Texas Tech Utabou for the whole Big twelve,
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  Speaker 2: and I'll be honest, Ben, given the consistency of what
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  Speaker 2: BYU has and brings back and all the changeover for Utah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm a little surprised, or I was initially a little
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  Speaker 2: surprised that both teams have an eight and a half set,
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  Speaker 2: as they're over under for wins this season. When you
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  Speaker 2: start to really dive into the schedule, it makes a
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  Speaker 2: little bit more sense. But my first question for you
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  Speaker 2: is should Utah and b YU be on the same
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  Speaker 2: level of expectations for wins and losses this year given
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  Speaker 2: the whole picture.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's a great question. I think it's a
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  Speaker 4: valid question. I think most Utah are sorry DYU fans
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  Speaker 4: are going to say they shouldn't be on the same level. Right,
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  Speaker 4: You're going to see kind of this inverse data set
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 4: when you talk about the Ledger. As Kyle Whitningham discussed
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 4: in his postgame press conference, they were on the very
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  Speaker 4: positive side of the Ledger nine in a row before
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  Speaker 4: this slip of the script where by us now looking
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  Speaker 4: and feeling and their momentum isn't on a similar trend
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  Speaker 4: to what Utah was when they went to the PAC
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  Speaker 4: twelve and out that they're on the same playing field.
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  Speaker 4: BYU looks to be in the lead from a resource standpoint,
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  Speaker 4: from a returning production standpoint, all those things. I think
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  Speaker 4: this is a public relations element, right, There's a public
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  Speaker 4: relations element that I think we need to delve into.
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  Speaker 4: I think look at what the SEC gets every single
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  Speaker 4: preseas and from a public relations standpoint, this is equity
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  Speaker 4: that's been built over twenty five thirty years of winning
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  Speaker 4: and producing NFL talent, and the the equity is still
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  Speaker 4: there from a from a public relations standpoint, So uh, ESPN, Fox, Uh,
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  Speaker 4: these media entities, they're gonna they're gonna put the SEC
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  Speaker 4: up on a pulpit and say, okay, until they fall
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  Speaker 4: from grace, we're gonna continue to put them up on
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  Speaker 4: that on that pulpit. Now, the question is is they're
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  Speaker 4: an equivalency? Is Utah what the SEC was with this
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  Speaker 4: whole transition from the Pac twelve to the Big twelve,
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  Speaker 4: with their coaching staff leaving, with many of their key
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  Speaker 4: players leaving. Uh, the y U fans are gonna say, yes,
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  Speaker 4: they've fallen from grace. They're they're they're being left behind.
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  Speaker 4: They had to sell their souls to Ultro Capital University.
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  Speaker 4: There's a rebrand in place. It's no longer the U
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 4: of You, it's Outro Capital University, YadA, YadA, YadA from
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  Speaker 4: And that's what they're saying. Okay, look I talked to
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  Speaker 4: them every single day. I'm like, guys, settle down. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: this is still a very just look at the recruiting rankings.
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  Speaker 4: I chadow with Steve Bartell on the flight home and
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  Speaker 4: and I'm like, how does like the you know, how
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  Speaker 4: do you guys feel about the recruiting quest because I'm
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 4: looking at it, like, you guys did a really nice job.
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  Speaker 4: Utah did a fantastic job of maintaining some great relationships
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  Speaker 4: within the state of Utah and and ultimately acquiring some
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  Speaker 4: of the best products and prospects in the state. At
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  Speaker 4: any rate, like I feel like for the time being, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: they're on an equivalent level if you look at the
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  Speaker 4: last even three years of this battle the Holy War.
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  Speaker 4: This is a one score game, as it has been
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  Speaker 4: yet independence. But the ball bounced Utah's way for nine years,
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  Speaker 4: and the ball's bouncing BYU's way the last three or
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  Speaker 4: so years. And so I have no problem with the
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  Speaker 4: the over under eight and a half. I think Morgan's
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  Speaker 4: Cowley is a heck of a coach. I think that
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  Speaker 4: there's any of talents still on that roster, and like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't see any problem with putting them at eight
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  Speaker 4: and a half. Now, am I more likely to hit
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  Speaker 4: the under? Yeah? Maybe I may. I'm calling eighty four
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  Speaker 4: for Utah is where I see it, and that's why Vegas.
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  Speaker 4: You know, Vegas is Vegas, and because it could go
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  Speaker 4: either way, but Uh and BYU, I'm probably hitting it over.
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  Speaker 4: Why because they they're eighteenth and returning productivity, they return
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  Speaker 4: most of their roster and they turned most of their staff.
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  Speaker 4: So I think you'll lean to the over and you
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  Speaker 4: lean to the under with Utah just because they lost
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  Speaker 4: so much and they have a they have almost an
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  Speaker 4: entirely new staff. I mean they retained some of their staff,
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  Speaker 4: but you know, fifty less than fifty percent of their staff,
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  Speaker 4: and I think there was from a key player attrition standpoint,
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  Speaker 4: you lost a lot of your returning production. I think
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  Speaker 4: Utah from a returning production stand where they're fifty fourth
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  Speaker 4: in the nation. So that's why I lean towards the
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  Speaker 4: under in that eight and a half line for Utah.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's a huge commentary here about the schedules
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  Speaker 2: for both teams because like the returning production thing, you
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  Speaker 2: just laid the numbers out. It very obviously favors BYU
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: the talent that they've got with LJ. Martin deciding to
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: come back. I'm very high on Bear Bachmeyer. Obviously, your
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: wide receiver room doesn't look exactly the same as you
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: thought it was going to because of some off field
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: issues and things like that, But there's a lot of
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: returning production at BYU.
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  Speaker 1: The scheduling thing.
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  Speaker 2: Here is where it gets a little more interesting because
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  Speaker 2: BOU has got that early buy and then it's just
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  Speaker 2: like a grind for the rest of the season.
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  Speaker 1: After Week four.
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  Speaker 2: Also, I think I think what Vegas is saying is
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  Speaker 2: that BYU really is a nine and a half team
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  Speaker 2: if they have everyone else's schedule, but they're taking a
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  Speaker 2: win away because nobody in Vegas believes that BOU is
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  Speaker 2: gonna beat Notre Dame smack dab in the middle of
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  Speaker 2: the season. What's that Week seven your thoughts on that
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  Speaker 2: Notre Dame game, because it's not a gimme for the
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  Speaker 2: Irish by any stretch of the imagination.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'll pick you back off of the strength of
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  Speaker 4: schedule commentary. So I don't know if you saw that,
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  Speaker 4: like every single SEC team in the country has like
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 4: the most difficult strength of schedule per ESPN FPI Strength
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  Speaker 4: of Schedule ranking, So whereas the Big twelve, if you
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 4: look at BYU and Utah their ranked fifty fifth and
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 4: sixty third, respectively. Why because while they're playing more Big
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 4: twelve teams, and the Big twelve isn't as good as
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 4: the SEC. So I think that's an initial commentary to
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 4: the whole strength of schedule commentary. But as it pertains
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 4: to BYU and the Notre Dame game, what's interesting is
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 4: Notre Dame. Per ESPN FBI strength of Schedule ranking, they're
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 4: actually fifty six in the country. So Notre Dame doesn't
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 4: have a very difficult schedule either. Per ESPN FPI. The
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  Speaker 4: last few times BYU is space Notre Dame, it's been
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 4: a competitive game. They match up well from a personnel standpoint.
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  Speaker 4: I think you could agree with that from an athlete standpoint.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 4: Now is Notre Dame more talented and recruiting star rankings,
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 4: There's no doubt about it. They recruit better than BYU,
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  Speaker 4: they have more resources than BYU. They're going to be
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 4: a ten point favorite more than likely heading into this game,
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 4: a double digit favorite going into this game. But that
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  Speaker 4: hasn't stopped BYU from being competitive in this game, and
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  Speaker 4: I expected to be competitive once again in two thousand
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  Speaker 4: and four when Notre Dame came into provo, they took
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  Speaker 4: an l and that BYU team was I would say
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  Speaker 4: fairly talented. If you look at the NFL players that
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 4: were on that roster, they just didn't have the culture
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  Speaker 4: and the cohesion, maybe the schematics to really extract the
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  Speaker 4: potential of that roster. And they ended up going what
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 4: five they had a five win season or whatever, and
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 4: Gary Croton got fired and all that stuff. There was
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 4: a lot of hullablu that went on in the offseason.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 4: But if that BYU team could could match up well,
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  Speaker 4: and even the BYU team that face Notre Dame at
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 4: Allegiance Stadum could match up well and keep it competitive,
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  Speaker 4: why can't this team keep it competitive and keep it
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  Speaker 4: a one score game? And maybe there's a final drive.
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  Speaker 4: So I mean to be determined what these two teams
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 4: look like once you get into that that game and
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 4: availability and help, but it's going to be a one
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  Speaker 4: score game in the fourth quarter of my opinion, And
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 4: and special teams, flipping of the field, turnovers, that's all
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 4: going to play a role in this and and BYU
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  Speaker 4: has done pretty well in that regard, and they've ranked
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 4: over the last three years as one of the best
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 4: special teams units in college football, and they've been also
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 4: on the on the plus end of that turnover margin.
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  Speaker 4: So I'd hope that that continues with how much retention
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  Speaker 4: they have in the coaching staff and players.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: Ben Krittle is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell Show,
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: the host of Cougar Sports.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: Over on ESPN the Fan.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: You can listen to him every day, every weekday from
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: three to seven pm, breaking down all things three to
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: six excuse me breaking down things on the BYU side.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: Youth fans are already sick of me saying this, and
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: they're going to be even more sick of me saying
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  Speaker 2: this by the time we get halfway through football season.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: But it feels like for me, if not now for
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: BYU win. I mean, Utah has a bunch of changeover
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech has an offseason controversy that takes an important
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: player off of their roster justifiably so, and BYU's got
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: like all of this production coming back. Yeah, they lost
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: Jay Hill, but you know, K Pop's been there for decades,
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  Speaker 2: So it feels like to me a year that BYU
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: has the recipe to potentially win their first powerful conference
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: championship not an easy path, but it feels like if
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: not now win for BYU. In my mind, is that
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: how Cougar fans feel about this year for Kalonisatakian Company.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I can't speak for all the fans, but
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  Speaker 4: I do think that they feel like they're trending in
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 4: the right direction to get back to a big twelve
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 4: championship game. Now, whether or not they can win that game,
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 4: I would say most of the BUI fans are still
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 4: on the pessimistic side of things, saying like it's going
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 4: to be tough to overcome a forty million dollars roster
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 4: even if Brennan Sorosby is not the starting quarterback for
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 4: Texas Tech. I think you look at even one score
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 4: games over the last three years. Okay, like I put
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 4: out an analytic just go to my Twitter page. I
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  Speaker 4: think it's about you know, third or fourth down the road.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 4: You can look at the fourteen games that BYU has
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 4: either one or lost in one score game, right, so
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 4: this is eight or fewer points. They're ten and four?
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 4: Why are they tended for? How have they become tennifour?
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 4: Why has the ball bounced their way more often than not?
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  Speaker 4: And you know, they went two and two in twenty
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 4: twenty three, twenty twenty four they went four and two,
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 4: and then twenty twenty five they went four and Oh.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 4: But remember the Colorado or Arizona game, and even you know,
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 4: to a certain degree, maybe even the Georgia Tech game.
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  Speaker 4: You felt like you were kind of playing from behind
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 4: in those games. The Utah game, that was a more
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 4: convincing win than I think the score denotes. But why
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  Speaker 4: is it that BYU is winning these one score games
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 4: whereas in independent era they weren't able to win those
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 4: one score games. I think when you have so many
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 4: close games like this, it's it's difficult to just make
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  Speaker 4: a declaration that you're going to win a Big twelve
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  Speaker 4: championship and if not this year, then never. Like to me,
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 4: it's more about if if BYU can continue to well,
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 4: let me take a step back. They're not even a
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 4: full revshare member of the Big twelve. Yet now is
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 4: the year. This is the year where they get that
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 4: thirty million, that forty million. BYU's been operating with a
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 4: budget that is significantly less than the University of Utah.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 4: They haven't been operating with the same budget, and the
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 4: same revenue from a TV standpoint and a media standpoint.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 4: So with that, we don't know what's going to happen
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 4: in the future. If you give me twenty million sean
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 4: year over year, I think I'm gonna be able to
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 4: do a little bit of work with that, right, I'm
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 4: gonna be able to build an organizational design that can
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 4: extract the most out of maybe the talent that I have,
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 4: and I can recruit better talent. If you look, if
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 4: you compare and contrast the Utah recruiting department to BYU's
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 4: recruiting department during independence, you have like four full time
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 4: people at BYU and you had like sixteen at Utah.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 4: Does that make a difference one hundercent? Does that make
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 4: a difference year over year? So I think I'm not
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  Speaker 4: so sure excited to say, Okay, well, now's the time,
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 4: now's the place, because I feel like BYU is just
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 4: getting started with in the year four of the Big twelve,
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 4: Like when did Utah get their shride in the Pac twelve?
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: Would you say, well, what their first trip to a
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: conference championship game would have been in like year seven
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: you're eighty and then they didn't win it until year nine.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: So if I'm not mistaken eight seven seven three zero
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: seven hundred, for all of you who are out there
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: waiting for me to make mistakes so you can correct me,
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: that's probably a good opportunity for you to do, so,
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 4: What I mean. So like to me, like that's that's
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 4: a maybe maybe there's a more accelerated peak for BYU
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 4: because they do have a well resourced program with donorship
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 4: and fan base, and they do still have that LDS
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 4: ponies and pipeline that has come in and buoyed them
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 4: up over the years. But but still, like my expectations are,
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 4: if you're talking about elite college football play, I'm not
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 4: expecting them to win a conference championship and then like
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden this year, I think they're going
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 4: to continue to be competitive. No, but what does it
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 4: take to win a conference championship? You know that? Right?
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: Honestly, I think they have it all except beating Texas Tech.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: I mean that that's why last year they were like
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: they beat Utah again and earned that one. They they
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: had everything you need to win a conference championship. The
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: hump that they could not get over, unfortunately, was those
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: two games against Texas Tech. I don't believe Texas Tech
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 2: is going to be as good this year as they
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: were they were last year. Like, even if you take
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: the Sowersby situation out, I think they're fine.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: A quarterback. I think Will Hammon is an awesome quarterback.
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: He terrorized.
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 2: He's but it's also it's also not going to be
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 2: like he doesn't have to drive that bus.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: They have elite talent all over right.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 2: I think the thing that makes Texas Tech fall off
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 2: And when I say fall off, I mean they fall
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: off a game, maybe a conference championship game. Maybe they're
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 2: not quite as dumb. I think where they fall off
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: is on the defense. I think that they were incredibly
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: fortunate last year to have all the right pieces, all
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: the right guys pulling on the same rope. And yeah,
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: on paper, they still have some of that, but not
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: a direct equivalent to what they had last year in
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: my opinion, And and that's why I feel like this
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: a window of opportunity has presented itself for everyone in
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: the conference, not just BYU but to me, b Yu's
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: roster wise is today the closest to Texas Tech. Like
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 2: on paper, Utah talked about the returning production. I think
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 2: that when you go down the roster talent rankings, you go,
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech is still probably one, BYU is number two,
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: Houston and Utah, and in my opinion, I think that weirdly,
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: you know, Cincinnati has some they probably got four NFL
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: guys on their team, but it falls apart when you
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 2: talk about the mix of coaching and all that BYU has,
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: all that. USA today says that Kalona Sataki is the
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: eleventh best coach in college football. I think that's probably
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: an appropriate level of him, you know, top top ten
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: to top twenty somewhere in there for Kilani. And the
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: thing in his way of being higher than that is
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 2: he has not yet gotten over that hump. And to me,
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: the only hump is Texas Tech the Red Raiders, And
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 2: to me, I'm like, I look at what they've got
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: relative to what BYU has, and I say, this could
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: be a year that BYU gets them.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 4: And if I'm a you know, okay, yeah, maybe maybe.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 4: But if they don't win it this year, are you
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 4: like they're not going to win it ever because of
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 4: what they have returned? Is that kind of where you stand?
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: Of course not? But but yeah, when you had like.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 2: LJ Martin's not coming back next year, and l J
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 2: Martin is a special, special player. I don't think b
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: YU has another LJ Martin three years from now. I
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 2: think that LJ Martin is like had they.
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 4: Had Jamal they had Jamal in two thousand thirteen to
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 4: two thousand six, that they had Tyler Aw's year from
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 4: what twenty eighteen to twenty twenty.
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: Two awesome players.
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: I don't think either of those guys are as good
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 2: as LJ Martin.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm higher on LJ.
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 4: That hot take, I think that's I think that's a
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 4: fiery take that you think that LJ is better than
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 4: both Jamal Williams and Tyler Er.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 2: I think that a great take, who, by the way,
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 2: are incredible, like even NFL football players.
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 1: I'm that high on LJ Martin.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 2: I think LJ Martin is, like, you know, he's the
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 2: best running back they've had since Luke Staley, and Luke
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 2: Staley didn't have an NFL career because of injury. But
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 2: that's where I'm at with LJ Martin.
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, one thing I'll say about LJ is
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 4: something that he has that maybe the other two didn't
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 4: really develop. Early on was the receiving ability of the
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 4: backfield and definitely a mismatch in the in the receiving
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 4: pass game. So I'd say that that is hot. I
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 4: don't think he's as physical as Tyler Jamal, still he's
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 4: to me, LJ is a big back that is learning
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 4: to be a really physical back, and once he learns
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 4: how to even run behind his pads consistently, then it
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 4: could very well could it could very well be game
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 4: over because he's built. He's built a little bit different.
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 4: He's a little bit thicker, a little bit denser than
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 4: those other two guys, so but he has a little
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 4: bit of finesse to him, whereas I think Jamal and
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 4: Tyler became you know, I felt like they were more
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 4: like violent early on in their careers. So I'm intrigued
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 4: to see that, Like I'm not where you standing at,
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 4: LJ to me is a unique and special player and
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 4: he's an all time great and he could end up
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 4: being the best running back in b y football history.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 4: We'll see how this ended this last season plays out
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 4: for him, but I feel like Byu has found a
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 4: way during the Aaron Roderick era to find some pretty
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 4: good running backs as well, and we'll see if Devon
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 4: Ekka is that next guy or if there's somebody else.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 4: But it's it's an interesting debate. This is a really
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 4: big season for BYU because of the retention the coaching
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 4: staff and the retention of the players. Eighteen ranked eighteenth
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 4: and returning production right now, so there's high expectations. There's
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 4: no doubt about it. And I thought the eight and
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 4: a half, you know, some people thought that was a
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 4: little low for the Vegas line. But what does Vegas
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 4: know that we don't know?
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 9: Do you?
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 2: They know everything? Unfortunate they got time Trevors working for
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 2: him last thing before I let you go. As isaiam
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 2: on LJ. Martin, I might even be higher on bear Bachmeyer.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: He is. He is Cougar blue Tim Tebow. The kid
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 2: is well ahead of schedule, at least he was as
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: a freshman. I guess we'll have to see if he
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: makes the next step as a sophomore or if he
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: has a slump. But when we're having the same conversation
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 2: in week eight and then after week twelve, where does
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 2: bear Bachmeyer rank among Big twelve quarterbacks.
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 4: Right now? I mean, look, he went to the manning
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 4: passing Academy, right, like, I don't know if you saw
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 4: that that he got him he got the invite. So
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 4: I think in that regard in college football, he's probably
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 4: a top thirty five quarterback. I don't think from a
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 4: throwing ability, an arm strength ability, I don't think he's
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 4: as impressive as the as some of these other guys.
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 4: He's not going to be as impressive. But he's a
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 4: football player, not a kid tis Mill, but Tisamill was
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 4: a football player that was also a quarterback, a great
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 4: athlete that could also play quarterback, not a quarterback that
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 4: was a great athlete. And there's somewhere in between. He's
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 4: a fantastic intermediate to short thrower. He doesn't necessarily have
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 4: the arm strength of a guy like no Fafita. I
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 4: can tell you that much. He doesn't. It doesn't rip
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 4: off as much as you know from a velocity standpoint,
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 4: as well as some of these other guys in the
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 4: in the Big twelve. So it just depends on how
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 4: you view quarterback play. And it's a bit subjective to me.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 4: If you're looking at just objective data, you know, three
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 4: thousand yard passer and a five hundred yard rusher. That
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 4: accounts for thirty touchdowns through the air and on the ground.
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 4: I mean that's insane, right, that's kind of like if
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 4: you're looking at his trajectory or like that, it feels
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 4: like Tim Tebow. Was Tim Tebow a good thrower? Was
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 4: he a good quarterback? Or was this a really good
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 4: football player that could also throw? You know what I mean?
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 4: And so I'm not calling Bear Blackmer Tim.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: I am Tim Tebow because I think that's what he is.
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: I think that he's like, I think he's that dude.
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 4: Player com Yeah, if you can do a player cop
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's hard to compare. Tim Tebow is
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 4: one of the greatest college football players ever, right. Like
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 4: so it's a little bit for some people, with Florida
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 4: fans in particular, they may call that blasphemy, like don't
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 4: ever you know, keep your Tim Tebow's name out of
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 4: out of your mouth. But from a play style standpoint,
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 4: I agree with you. He he's Tim Tebow.
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 2: Asked, so, where does he rank among big twelve quarterbacks
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 2: when we're when we're in the meat of this thing,
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 2: And I'm not talking about how pretty his throwing motion looks.
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about production.
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 4: Tommy if I'm recruiting. If I'm recruiting and I get
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 4: to pick a quarterback, I may lean towards Uh Noah
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 4: first and then Bart Bachmeyer second. That's where I probably
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 4: put it. I mess the is awesome, you know, Wigman
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 4: is good. Like there's a lot of good quarterbacks in
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 4: the Big twelve. But if I'm choosing a leader, a
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 4: culture builder, someone that's going to execute, someone that's gonna
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 4: score the football in the red zone and make good decisions,
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 4: not turn the ball over, not fumble the football, know
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 4: what everyone's job is, and to be a pure quarterback
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 4: and distributor, Bear Blackmer is probably number two. I put
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 4: Noah above him just because he is truly an elite thrower,
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 4: a scrambler, a developer, a great human. He's a great
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 4: leader too, and is extremely intelligent. So I'd probably put
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 4: Noah above him. But I put Bear's number two in
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 4: the Big twelve.
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 2: That's my personal take, all right, I like that and
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 2: we'll see how it plays out. That's Ben Krittle with
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 2: the b YU inside. I always appreciate your time, sir, Thanks Osee.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 4: H.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 1: Crittle.
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 2: It's a great example right of the gunshy optimism that
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: happens when your team has close but has not gotten
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 2: over the hump. This is how all of us were
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: when Utah was going up against Washington and conference championship
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 2: games and saying like, ah, you know what, I think
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 2: they're ready, and then going up against Oregon and conference
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 2: championship games, I think this is our year, and then
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 2: you know, you're just like.
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 1: Ooh, I don't know.
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 2: If I don't know, I'm not ready to say like that.
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 2: I think Byu is really good. By the way, when stylistically,
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: bear Bachmeyer is Tim Tebow ability wise to push his
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 2: team to new heights. I really think that bear Bachmeyer
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 2: is a playmaker like Tim Tebow was for Florida. Production Wise,
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 2: they're not in the same atmosphere together, like, but part
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 2: of that is because Tim Tebow was playing for a
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 2: Florida team that had the best players in the nation
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 2: at every position around.
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 3: Him and none of the fact being coached by one
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 3: of the best college coaches in the world with Urban Meyer.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 2: Like, if you put bear Bachmeyer's physicality, he's very similar.
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 2: Like the best player he has the Tim Tebow skills.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 2: It's not the prettiest ball, but man, you want a
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 2: first down he's gonna get it for you because he's
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: just gonna bowl through like three tacklers.
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 2: However, Bear Bachmeyer has yet to be surrounded by. I mean,
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 2: how many guys from that Florida offense played in the NFL.
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 2: I think all of them did. I don't think that's
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: an exaggeration. I think every single player from Tim Tebow's
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 2: sophomore junior years played in the NFL. I think it's
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 2: every single one. Bear doesn't have that luxury. And that's
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 2: why Tim Tebow's numbers. Bear, by the way, accounted for
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 2: what eighteen touchdowns something like that. I think that he
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 2: probably gives you thirty this year total between passing and running.
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 2: Tim Tebow in his first full year as a starter,
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 2: accounted for fifty five touchdowns.
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 3: I got a big number for you for the Florida
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 3: Over forty players from the two thousand and eight National
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 3: Championship roster made it to the NFL played in the NFL.
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 2: Forty players, So all of your starters and some of
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 2: the guys who were backups that year ended up playing
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 2: in the nflp that year. By the way, two thousand
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 2: and eight, the National Championship year, Tim Tebow had thirty
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 2: passing touchdowns and he had twelve rushing touchdowns. The year
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 2: before that he had thirty two passing touchdowns and twenty
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 2: three rushing touchdowns. That is fifty five touchdowns from one player.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 2: So, all your Utah fans out there who don't like
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: hearing me say good things about bear Backmeyer, I'm saying
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 2: that the player comp is Tim Tebow. I'm not saying
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 2: he's gonna score fifty five touchdowns.
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: All right, give you a update on what's going on
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 1: in the World Cup.
• 2:11:04
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• 2:11:07
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  Speaker 2: but a little update. We are forty minutes into a
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  Speaker 2: World Cup semi final between France and Ifpanya and Spain
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 2: is up one nil on a penalty kick goal. I
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: don't know which French player it was, but somebody straight
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 2: up Muay Thai kickboxing leg kick on ya mean Lamal, and.
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 1: Spain gets the penalty kick because of it.
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  Speaker 2: Like you, hear me complain more than anyone else on
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 2: the planet about flopping in world soccer.
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 1: This was not a flop, Lamina Mall.
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 2: The teenager got a full roundhouse kick to the thigh
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 2: the French player. It was a high ball that was
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 2: coming down on a bounce, and the French player did
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 2: not He was not aware of the position of his
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 2: opponent of La Mina Mal for Spain, and he just
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 2: full on roundhouse kicked him right in the quad, so
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 2: probably not a lot of debate on that particular penalty,
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 2: and Spain puts it in the back of the net.
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 2: They're up one nil. England Argentina will be tomorrow at
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 2: this same time, but right now, Spain and France in
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 2: a highly technical, very interesting semi final matchup between two
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 2: of the top squads in the world. I saw some
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 2: people by the way, American sports fans lamenting the fact
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 2: that these semi finals were being played during the workday,
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 2: because you know, this one started.
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: At one o'clock.
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 2: Most people are not fortunate enough to have a job
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 2: like myself where I could sit here and watch this
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 2: thing while I'm doing radio show talking about sports. The
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 2: thing is, though, this level of elimination games in the
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 2: World Cup, it makes a lot of sense for the
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 2: television broadcast to be at a time where Europeans aren't
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: up in the middle of.
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 1: The night watching it.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, I agree with you on that.
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 2: Like as as fun as US men's national team was
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 2: in this World Cup and hopefully we'll be moving forward,
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 2: nobody thought that in the top four, the final four,
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 2: you'd be playing to a domestic audience in this World Cup,
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 2: right this is very clearly being put forth for a
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 2: European audience where it's what it's.
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 1: Nine or ten. It's ten pm in France right now.
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like almost ten pm. I would say, yeah, I.
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 2: Guess I can use the computer in front of me.
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 2: Local time France. Yeah it's nine forty three.
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 3: I think Spain is ten forty three.
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 5: I think they're nine hours ahead.
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 2: Let's see current local time for Spain is the same
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 2: in Madrid. So yeah, you know we're talking about two teams.
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 2: This is this is late night viewing. But you're not
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 2: gonna make them stay up until two am to watch
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 2: the semi final in Europe, not if you want to maximize.
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  Speaker 2: And that's where the World Cup is so fascinating and
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 2: it's look, it's different than pretty much every other sporting event.
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 2: When we're talking about the super Bowl, that is a
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 2: primetime US event, when we're talking about the NBA finals,
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  Speaker 2: even most prize fights that you see, the big heavyweight
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  Speaker 2: boxing matches, the big time UFC fights, they do it.
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  Speaker 2: They play to the audience that they're trying to appeal to.
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  Speaker 2: They put the start time at whatever in Vegas, even
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: if it's a French fighter, even if it's a like
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 2: you know, Alexander Usik. They're not playing to a Ukrainian
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 2: audience in that case, They're playing to what they think
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 2: is their biggest base, which is I guess that's a
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 2: bad example because that's a mostly UK base that are
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 2: watching those Saudi boxing fights. But yeah, Madrid and Paris.
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 2: It is coming up on ten PM, and I imagine
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 2: everybody in France and everybody in Spain right now is
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: watching this game that, unfortunately for many American soccer fans,
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 2: is in the middle of their workday. The final will
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 2: be on a weekend, so you have that at least
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 2: one nil Spain for now.
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  Speaker 2: As they're finishing up the first half of Spain versus
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  Speaker 2: Spain is up one nill on a penalty kick goal.
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  Speaker 2: to play as the players and the physicality of the game.
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 2: You know, we talked about this last year with Cooper Flag.
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 2: When when these guys get into runs, they get an opportunity.
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 2: When you're an elite level college player like this, when
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 2: you're an elite level AAU player like Darren Peterson and
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 2: AJ Debonsa and Cam Boozer and Caleb Wilson and all
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 2: these guys were, you get an opportunity to kind of
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 2: rub shoulders and get into runs with NBA guys. And
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: so most of these kids don't actually have any doubt
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 2: that they can hang by the time they get there.
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 2: The ones who do, it's because they're not physically mature
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 2: enough yet. They're not strong enough yet to go play basketball.
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's the case with AJ. I don't
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 2: think that's the case with Darren Peterson. I don't think
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 2: that's the case with a two hundred and fifty five
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 2: pound cam boozer. This class at the top doesn't have
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 2: as many of those like you know, Kevin Durant coming
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 2: out of college bodies. Kevin Durant coming out of college
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 2: was six eleven and a half and like one hundred
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 2: and eighty five pounds. He very famously couldn't bench press
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 2: effect like the bar at that point in his career.
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 1: Now he's stronger.
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: Now, he's not still not like a physically powerful, imposing
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 2: figure in.
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 1: That sense, but it's just it's just different.
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 2: Aj Debonca is a big, broad shoulder, big body type
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 2: of guy. The Washington Wizards saw what they needed to see. Yep,
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 2: his game's gonna translate, okay at this next level shut
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 2: him down. So see you in November. I guess Aj
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 2: debonsa fun while it lasted in the Summer League. We'll
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 2: be watching his career closely for obvious reasons. A trivia
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 2: question for you today seven to seven three five three
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 2: zero seven hundred. Well, we're probably just gonna give you
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 2: James Peterson bonus. At points, Zach got a thousand, by
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 2: the way, because he got the TV figured out. Gordi
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 2: Chier's had joined us earlier, and his prognostication, his prediction
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 2: is that the top four picks in this year's NBA
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 2: Draft are all going to be All Stars. Eight seven
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 2: seven three five three zero seven hundred. When was the
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 2: last time that happened? I would have thought it would
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 2: be more recent than the number he gave us it was.
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 1: It was a while back. Hint, hint.
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 2: And because this is a really tough one, this is
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 2: where the guys came from, all right, Saint Bonaventure College,
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 2: University of Michigan, LSU, Florida State, and then again, these
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 2: are first round NBA draft picks in the year where
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 2: the last the last time the top four picks were
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 2: NBA All Stars then it was New Mexico State. Princeton
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 2: had two first round picks. Princeton had two first round
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 2: picks back in the day. New Mexico State had two
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 2: first round picks back in this draft. Columbia University had
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 2: a first round pick.
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 1: Steven F.
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 2: Austin had a first round pick. Oregon State was producing
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 2: first round picks. I guess it hasn't been that long
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 2: since they did the same in modern NBA, But it
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 2: was a while back that we last saw anybody or
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 2: any draft produced four All Stars out of the top
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 2: four picks. I wasn't even alive, Zach. Your parents probably
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 2: were born in this year.
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 3: Like I think they were, like maybeing there threes or fours.
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 1: Crazy.
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, As we wrap things up here on the show today,
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 2: a reminder Murdoch Ford and Sana Quinn has incredible deals
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  Speaker 2: going on right now with trucks, cars nsuvs. We will
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 2: have conversation and coverage of Burnley FC coming in to
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 2: take on oursel. Jason Christ is going to join us
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 2: on the show tomorrow. That'll be about eleven thirty. We
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 2: get Jason Christ on the show. Jeff Schwartz on the
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 2: show tomorrow as well, and of course at one o'clock
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 2: you'll have the other World Cup semi final between England
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 2: and Argentina while we're here on the air.
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 1: That's after we.
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 2: Find out who comes out victorious from this Spain versus
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 2: France game. Zach, you picked Spain, right, Spain is your
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 2: team they you think that it's going to be a
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 2: Spania in the final.
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 3: I do think it's gonna be a spawna in the
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 3: final and you know, I like move back a little bit. Yeap,
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 3: that was definitely a fel but yes, yes, that was
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 3: definitely a penalty. But I think that Spain or England
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 3: are the only two teams that could beat Argentina if
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 3: France does not win this game.
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 2: Honestly, So you think that France winning this game meets
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 2: Argentina would win the World Cup if they can advance.
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 3: Potentially, I mean it could go to pks again like
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 3: it did in twenty twenty two, and Katar, there's a chance.
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 3: I mean there's been a lot of games this past
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 3: you know, past tournament where it's gone to pks, so
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 3: you know, in extra time and there's no golden goal,
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 3: which is like the sudden death rule, which is nice,
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 3: but you still got to play two fifteen minute periods
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 3: before you go into penalties. Like when why didn't you
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 3: like much rathers go to penalties and get it over with.
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 3: But I understand the extra time as well. But I think, yeah,
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 3: I think it could go to p ks again at
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 3: France and Gargania. It's a rematch between France and Argentina.
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 2: I want to finish the show the way we started
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 2: the show, we were talking about the over under win
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 2: totals set by Vegas for this up approaching Big twelve
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 2: football season. We talked a lot about Texas Tech sitting
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 2: at ten and a half in some books at eleven
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 2: and a half. I'm going with ten and a half,
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 2: Utah BYU in, Kansas State at eight and a half,
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 2: Arizona seven and a half, Houston seven and a half,
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 2: TCU and Arizona State joined Baylor at six and a
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 2: half for their projected win total, and then UCF, Kansas,
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 2: Iowa State, West Virginia, Oklahoma State, and Cincinnati all at
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 2: five and a half games. According to Vegas, Colorado the
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 2: Caboose in the conference four and a half wins projected
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 2: for the Colorado Buffaloes in this upcoming twenty twenty six
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 2: football season. If Deon Sanders wins five games and still
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 2: hits the over at ten plus million dollars a year,
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 2: you you have to move on. I don't know what
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 2: their buyout situation looks like with coach Prime, but I
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 2: was among those who thought maybe he was going to
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 2: resign after last season with all the health struggle. Now
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 2: his health apparently is much better and he appeared re
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 2: energized but.
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 1: Somewhat rambling and.
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 2: Unfocused in his comments at Big Twelve media Days. In
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 2: any case, Colorado is projected to be the worst team
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 2: by the the odds makers in the Big twelve Conference,
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 2: and their their schedule is Georgia Tech, Weaber State, Northwestern,
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 2: then it's Baylor to start conference play Texas Tech. They've
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 2: got that one at home. They have a buy between
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech and Utah. Both of those are home games
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 2: for Colorado. They finished with Oklahoma State, k State, Arizona State, Houston, Cincinnati, UCF.
• 2:26:41
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  Speaker 5: I Spence, I've failed you. I was tardy. I apologize.
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 1: It's fine. I usually just ramble on into you show up.
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 5: Anyway, Well, a couple of minutes late. I just need
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 5: to be better. I'm publicly acknowledging that I want to
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 5: be better. All right, yeah, okay, Well, how's the game going.
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 2: It's really interesting, fascinating game between Spain and France so
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 2: far scored one from the spot on a penalty after
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 2: Laminia Mal. It's the actual it's the nastiest real foul
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 2: we have seen so far in the World Cup. No
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 2: flopping necessary. It was a full roundhouse kick to the quadriceps.
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 5: Of the kid of Lamina Mal La Media Mall.
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 2: Got just rallied by a French player. I don't know
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 2: who it was who. The ball was coming down on
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 2: a bounce and he did not realize Laminia Mall was
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 2: there and just blindly through a roundhouse kick that looked
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 2: like something from an MMA fight, hit.
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 1: Laminia right in the leg.
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 5: Was there a card pulled?
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 1: No? No card, no card, but penalty kick granted to Spain.
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 1: They score from the spot.
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 5: Lamina Mal is he seven teen seventeen years old? I
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 5: think he plays for Barcelona. I thought he's nineteen nineteen
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 5: plays with Barcelona. There's this hilarious video going around of
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 5: him like being in a Walmart.
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 4: Ye.
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, their first games were in Atlanta, Yeah, and he
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 2: was in just like a Georgia Walmart, pushing a card
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 2: around and probably loving it because he can't do that in.
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 5: Europe, right right, And no one recognized him He's this
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 5: international global soccer star. No one recognized him.
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 1: Funny.
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 5: It's interesting, I think to see some of the reaction,
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 5: and you know, I don't live on social media, but
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 5: I feel like for all of the hand ringing about
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 5: people being nervous concerning the way the World Cup was
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 5: going to unfold in America, I feel like it's gone really,
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 5: really well and it's actually shown a lot of people
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 5: around the world that we're not in this horrible spot
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 5: that most people think we are. I mean, I feel
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 5: like most of the reaction has been very positive.
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's been really great.
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 2: I think it's been one of the overwhelmingly positive things
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 2: about this World Cup. And I actually did not like
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 2: the way that the reversal of the flow Ballogan red
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 2: card kind of interrupted that for a second.
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 1: But we're back to kumbaya.
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 2: Can we just can I just close the show with
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 2: just like, we don't talk about European soccer contracts very often,
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 2: right or.
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 5: Speak for yourself? Bro let me Patrick like that one.
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 2: How much do you think Laminia mal is making for
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 2: Barcelona at at nineteen years old?
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 5: Oh man recently turn nine? Is it an annual? Are
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 5: you asking for an annual sex an.
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 2: Estimated base salary per season twenty million dollars.
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 1: It's twenty one million euro.
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 5: Twenty one million euro.
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 2: Okay if you're if you're a teenager making four hundred
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 2: thousand euro per week, and this is I don't know
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 2: about release clauses. I assume this is buyouts or like
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 2: if you cut him, you have to pay. This is
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 2: this is a joke. Laminia Mall is under contract until
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 2: twenty thirty one with FC Barcelona. His release clause is
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 2: one billion euro. My god, what well? They talk about
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 2: him like he is the next like MESSI. There was
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 2: some Pele stat rolling around like as far Oh you
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 2: know what it was. It was his age and combined
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 2: amount of appearances for club slash country. I think combined
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 2: like the last player that young to be on this
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 2: stage was Pele And they look, I don't know enough
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 2: about it to tell you whether or not these superlatives
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 2: are accurate. But he has talked about as the next
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 2: global superstar. And then you see him play and he's
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 2: got braces and you're like, wait, what who is this
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 2: young kid? A lot of skill though a lot of talent,
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 2: by the way, who took the p K did did
• 2:30:45
  Speaker 2: Lamina Mall because he hasn't scored a goal yet, I
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 2: don't think of the tournament.
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 1: He has not. It was not Lamina Mal. It was
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 1: somebody else.
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 5: Really hoping that France comes back, really hoping.
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 2: If I'm Laminia Mal, I want them to me so
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 2: I get to get a billion year.
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 5: Oh you guys cut me. Oh that's ste bad. We
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 5: really should have found like college football coaches, global soccer superstars.
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 5: I would lose my job in a heartbeat for a
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 5: billion euros like wait, what, okay? Fine?
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 2: If I had like a Kirby Smart style contract or
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 2: a Jimbo Fisher style contract or whatever, I would actively
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 2: be trying to get fired one hundred percent.
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 1: One hundred percent.
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 5: I'd lose every game in the name of a seventy
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 5: six million dollar buyout.
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 1: Not for cause, because then they don't give you the money.
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you gotta be sneaky about it. You gotta be
• 2:31:36
  Speaker 5: sneaky about it.
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 2: But like to get paid seventy million dollars to go away? Yeah,
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 2: I will accept that from ESPN seven hundred if they
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 2: want to.
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 5: You know what, Coson, let's pass the message.
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 1: The buye. The buyout doesn't even have to be seventy million.
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 1: I'd do it for half that.
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 5: Also cosign. So if we could send the message along,
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 5: you can end our shows for a cool forty five
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 5: mil each. We're willing to.
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 1: Walk away bad math, but I spend chicks.
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 5: No that eaguals ninety forty five plus forty five is
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 5: ninety okay. I also, I'm just saying I'm on board
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 5: with this plan, all right. I'm not sure it will
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 5: be well received as we escalate this message up the ladder.
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 5: But you know, as they say in life, you never
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 5: know what you can get unless you unless you asked
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 5: for it.
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 1: Gordi Chiers always drops these incredible nuggets.
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 5: Yes he does.
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 2: When is the last time that the top four NBA
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 2: draft picks all became All stars?
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 1: Holy? He thinks he thinks that.
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 2: These top four from this year's draft will eventually wow.
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 5: Okay, so Lebron d Wade Mellow, but not our guy Darko. Sorry,
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 5: shout out Darko, dude. That is a good one. Alajuan No,
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 5: sam Bouie, I was thinking of La Joan Jordan. I
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 5: have I have no idea that's a good one, because
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 5: you weren't alive. I was gonna say it can't be
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 5: a need on recently nineteen seventy. Who are the names.
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 2: Bob Lanier, Rudy tom Janovic, Pete Maravich and Dave Kallens.
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 5: Wow, Okay, because he thinks all four of these kids
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 5: have a chance to be also, that's why he brought
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 5: it up. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I was gonna
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 5: say there's because the two drafts that instantly came into
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 5: my mind were eighty four, but Sam Buie is the
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 5: outlier there and then the mellow lebron d waydrop and
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 5: then darker was the second pick. Interesting stuff.
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 2: Stay tuned for the Drive with Spence check Its. Thanks
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 2: for listening to The Sean O'Connell Show. We'll do it
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 2: again tomorrow on ESPN seven hundred and ninety two one FM.