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Dad Tells Daughter 'Mommy's in Mental Hospital,' But No Trace of Mom · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a prairie village woman seemingly
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Speaker 1: vanishes into thin air. Now think about it. This is
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Speaker 1: a town of about twenty thousand people. Where is Angela?
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Speaker 1: I me, Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Nation and series
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Speaker 1: XM one eleven. First of all, take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friends at Fox for Kansas City neighbors safe. Angela
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Speaker 1: Green was devoted to her daughter and to her neighborhood
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Speaker 1: near seventy sixth and all. When she wasn't out gardening
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Speaker 1: in her own yard, she tended to the Tomahawk Rhode Islands,
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Speaker 1: hoping to clean them up. When the summer came up
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Speaker 1: and Angela wasn't out as usual, I had asked other neighbors,
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Speaker 1: and they thought maybe she had gone to Please say,
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Speaker 1: the native of China hasn't been seen since June nineteenth
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Speaker 1: and was just reported missing by someone last week, eight
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Speaker 1: months later, eight months later. That's like Humpty Dumpty. All
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Speaker 1: the King's horses and all the King's men couldn't put
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Speaker 1: Humpty together again time and a missing person's case is
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Speaker 1: of the essence. We've heard the stat a million times before.
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Speaker 1: Very often a kidnapped person can be killed within the
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Speaker 1: first seventy two hours. That's why they're so critical. And
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Speaker 1: think about it. If someone has been kidnapped sixty mp
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Speaker 1: eight with every hour, they could be getting further and
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Speaker 1: further away to a point they can never be found again.
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Speaker 1: And now we find out there's an eight month delay. Well,
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Speaker 1: I think I know why there was an eight month delay,
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Speaker 1: but I want you to hear it all yourself with me,
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Speaker 1: and I'll start to make sense of what we know
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Speaker 1: right now. But first I want to go to Mary hen,
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Speaker 1: associate editor of Kansas City Magazine. She is the one
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Speaker 1: that brought this to my attention through an essay she
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Speaker 1: wrote called where is Angela Green? I happen to find
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Speaker 1: it on the Kansas citymag dot com website. You know,
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Speaker 1: Mary Ann, thank you for being with us. Jordan Us
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Speaker 1: from Kansas City. Mary. A lot of people are wondering
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Speaker 1: why there was an eight month delay in reporting Angela missing.
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Speaker 1: But I want to go back to something that we
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Speaker 1: just heard from our friends at Fox four KC Kansas City.
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Speaker 1: It was pointed out and I'm not really sure why,
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Speaker 1: that she Angela is Chinese and she Angela had lived
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Speaker 1: here for years and years and years, created a family.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm looking right now at photos you Mary
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Speaker 1: hen included in your essay, and I'm looking at her.
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Speaker 1: These You could change the faces in these phoes and
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Speaker 1: it would be meet with the twins, one or two
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Speaker 1: of them. You've got her in the hospital and she's
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Speaker 1: got her baby, Ellie on her chest right after she's
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Speaker 1: given birth. There she is riding her piggyback. There they
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Speaker 1: are at Christmas when Ellie's just a little baby girl
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Speaker 1: at the Christmas tree. They're very, very poignant. This is
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Speaker 1: a woman who spent many, many years and created a
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Speaker 1: life here in the US. Tell me Mary about her
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Speaker 1: coming here and assimilating and having a child here in
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Speaker 1: the US. That little girl now Ellie, Right, So, Matthew said, Angela,
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Speaker 1: you know, she's been in the United States for more
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Speaker 1: than twenty years. At the time of her disappearance, she
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Speaker 1: didn't even really have family in training. Um. Most of
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Speaker 1: her family had moved to New York. Um you know
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Speaker 1: she had she didn't visit China. Um. She lived in
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Speaker 1: the same house her you know, entire American life. You know,
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the neighbors Mary hann and let me
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Speaker 1: go to you Karen Start, Karen start and joining me
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Speaker 1: or known psychologists joining us from Manhattan. You can find
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Speaker 1: her at Karen star dot com. That's Karen with a
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Speaker 1: see Karen Um. Nice to have you joined yesterday. As always,
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Speaker 1: I agree with almost everything you say, but let me
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Speaker 1: talk to you about about about this um. Here's a
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Speaker 1: good example. My son John David has a really close friend,
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Speaker 1: a May and a May and his whole family left
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Speaker 1: to go visit relatives in India where the mom and
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Speaker 1: the dad are from, and he is going to be
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Speaker 1: gone over a month. And I'm wondering, you know how
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Speaker 1: I blast neighbors that they're like the monkeys. See no
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Speaker 1: evil here, no evil speak no evil. And you can
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Speaker 1: see children are not out in the yard. They're not
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Speaker 1: catching the school bus. You don't hear them playing. You
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Speaker 1: don't hear the door slamming or any playing basketball, anything
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Speaker 1: you expect to hear outside. And remember the House of Horrors,
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Speaker 1: remember them the Turpin family. How many children they have,
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Speaker 1: Jackie a lot. I don't think it was seventeen. I
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Speaker 1: want to say eleven. You look it up, okay. If
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Speaker 1: I were a betting woman, Jackie, I would bet a
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Speaker 1: dollar with you, but I'm not going to do that.
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Speaker 1: And none of the neighbors said a darned thing. And
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Speaker 1: all the while, these children are inside getting horribly abused, starved,
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Speaker 1: chained their beds. He's treated a lots in closets, the works.
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Speaker 1: So I'm always blasting neighbors. But in this case, if
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Speaker 1: neighbors thought that she Angela had gone home to visit China,
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Speaker 1: that's not unusual to be gone for one month, three months,
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Speaker 1: an extended period of time. So I'm going to give
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Speaker 1: the neighbors a break on this one. Yes that maybe
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Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense to me, Nancy. I think the
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Speaker 1: most telling part of this is that she had a
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Speaker 1: very very close relationship with her daughter. And the fact
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Speaker 1: that she had just close relationship with her child, and
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Speaker 1: you know that that, how would she possibly might be
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Speaker 1: in touch with her at all? Or take the child with,
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Speaker 1: take the daughter with? You really think I'm going to
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Speaker 1: go anywhere? You know my real I don't want to
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Speaker 1: be gone over one night away from the twins. One night.
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Speaker 1: I'm in pure anguish. They seem to be doing fine
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Speaker 1: with it. Karen Stark, I'm the one that has a
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Speaker 1: problem with so how many chirping children were there? Uhha,
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Speaker 1: So neither one of us were right, But I was closer.
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Speaker 1: I was closer. I want my imaginary dollar, Jackie. So
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out why the neighbors wouldn't have
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Speaker 1: said anything, even and not taking the daughter with you.
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Speaker 1: I think that is a sign. But I don't know
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Speaker 1: that the neighbors knew that. But you know another thing,
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Speaker 1: Karen stark And that's why I threw this to you,
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Speaker 1: because you're the shrink. I think people don't want to
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Speaker 1: see anything wrong where I see a stranger behind every tree.
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Speaker 1: A lot of people want to just live. You know that,
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Speaker 1: I'm unhappy. They don't want to know something bad is
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Speaker 1: lurking next door, that someone could be in distress. They
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Speaker 1: don't want to think about it. They don't you know what,
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Speaker 1: Let me be blunt. They don't want to be bothered.
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Speaker 1: Karen Starker, They don't want to be bothered. And I
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Speaker 1: also think that people tell themselves, well, it really isn't
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Speaker 1: any of my business. You know, maybe they didn't. Really
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Speaker 1: she didn't have a relationship with the neighbors, although you
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Speaker 1: did mention them. We know that because she would spend
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Speaker 1: some time. I think you mentioned it. She would love
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Speaker 1: to be in the garden, and she can be places
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Speaker 1: around her house. But I think that people are they
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Speaker 1: kind of teaching themselves. One person starts to speak out
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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden everybody joined in. Well,
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Speaker 1: I do have to give them one more break. Del
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Speaker 1: Carson is joining me, high profile lawyer out of Jacksonville.
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Speaker 1: This is something I really like about Dell Carson. Not
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Speaker 1: only does he know the law although you're totally on
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Speaker 1: the wrong side of the law, but former fed with
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Speaker 1: the FBI. He's the author of a rest proof yourself
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Speaker 1: and you can find him at Dell Carson law dot com.
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Speaker 1: I've got to give the neighbors another break because when
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Speaker 1: she went missing, when Angela goes missing, the daughter was
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Speaker 1: no longer an infant. So I can't really blame the
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Speaker 1: neighbors for not putting two and two together and saying, wow,
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Speaker 1: she didn't take her daughter. Her daughter was already of
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Speaker 1: the age where she was studying abroad, so's I can't
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Speaker 1: blame them. But do you find the old Carson. Generally speaking,
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Speaker 1: neighbors don't want to notice anything is wrong. Well, that's true,
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Speaker 1: and if you don't know anything, you can't be responsible, right.
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Speaker 1: I think people are denying responsibility for their neighbors. If
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Speaker 1: you don't know, then you won't be responsible for not
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Speaker 1: doing anything. And that went on for eight months. You know,
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Speaker 1: I want you to hear the daughter who has become
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Speaker 1: a central fixture in this case as she should be.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut fifteen. This is Ellie
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Speaker 1: Green speaking to our friend Mary Hen at the Kansas
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Speaker 1: City Star. And my mom is Angela Green, and she
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Speaker 1: came from China in her twenties, married my dad, and
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Speaker 1: then had me a couple of years later, and she
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Speaker 1: basically gave her life to me, Like she put all
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Speaker 1: of her time and effort into raising me and making
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Speaker 1: me the best that I could be. So she is
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Speaker 1: amazing and like she would give everything to people without
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Speaker 1: really wanting much in return. June twentieth, we got into
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Speaker 1: typical like mother daughter little argument about something insignificant I
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Speaker 1: don't even remember. She whired to kick me out, and
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Speaker 1: I didn't understand why that was really I didn't know
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Speaker 1: if there was something mental going on. I knew she
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Speaker 1: really missed me throughout college. Then June twentieth, I left
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Speaker 1: and I never saw her again in person crime stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace to Marryhan joining me associate at or
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Speaker 1: Kansas City magazine Her Safe, whereas Angela Green is phenomenal.
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Speaker 1: Mary described for me Ellie's demeanor when she was talking
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Speaker 1: about never seeing her mother again. They have a spat,
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Speaker 1: the mom says, well, you know what, if you're not happy,
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Speaker 1: just leave, and then she takes it upon herself to leave,
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Speaker 1: as I could imagine somebody at that age would do,
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Speaker 1: and flounce out. She goes to her boyfriend's house. She
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Speaker 1: never sees her mother again. Tell me her demeanor when
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Speaker 1: she was describing this. Um, you know, I talked to
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Speaker 1: Ellie around Christmas time and that was Angela's favorite time
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Speaker 1: of year. And I think, you know, Ellie was kind
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Speaker 1: of keenly aware of that. She thought spoken a little
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Speaker 1: bit passive, and it was it was a hard conversation
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Speaker 1: to have. You know, she was still as anymore most
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Speaker 1: people would be, UM, pretty visibly upset and concerned about, um,
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Speaker 1: you know what what happened to her mother. You know.
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Speaker 1: Dan Corsentino was with me, former police chief, former sheriff,
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Speaker 1: served on US Homeless Senior Security Advisory Board. Now a
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Speaker 1: PI private investigator at Dan Coorsenttino dot com. Dan, you know,
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Speaker 1: it's one thing to lose someone you love. That's bad enough,
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Speaker 1: but then to never know what happened to them. So
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Speaker 1: you're I remember, after my famt sake, Keith was martyred.
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Speaker 1: I would have dreams and still do actually to this day,
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Speaker 1: that he wasn't really killed. He just left me, And
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Speaker 1: I wake up all upset and conflicted thinking, well, wow,
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Speaker 1: would you be happier if he had died as opposed
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Speaker 1: to just left you? Are your feelings of abandonment more
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Speaker 1: important than what happened to him his murder? And I mean,
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Speaker 1: you know, Karen, you can wait on this later. But
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Speaker 1: I think that's a struggle that you have inside when
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Speaker 1: you don't really know exactly what happened. At least I
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Speaker 1: know that Keith was murdered. I was at the funeral.
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Speaker 1: But to live, Dan Corcentino, And you've seen this a
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Speaker 1: lot with families, children, wives that never know what happened,
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Speaker 1: that's just got to be awful. Well, there's never closure,
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Speaker 1: and they become eternal victims in themselves. That's self perpetuating
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Speaker 1: because they hold themselves sometimes responsible because they think perhaps
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Speaker 1: they should have known, They should have known something. What
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Speaker 1: was the tipping point? What did they miss? And to
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Speaker 1: your point, absolutely, they're empty inside and they relive it
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Speaker 1: day and day. Again, We've had so many people that
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Speaker 1: have in murder cases vanished. In other cases domestic, they
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Speaker 1: have not been seen in the family members become for
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Speaker 1: as long as until there's closure. In that case, they
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Speaker 1: just cannot deal with it in a proper way, you know,
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Speaker 1: Karen start I agree with everything he said. Can you
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Speaker 1: explain the thinking that victims go through when they never know,
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Speaker 1: like in this case, Ellie. He just heard Mary Hann
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Speaker 1: from the Kansas City magazine describing what she was going through,
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Speaker 1: how Christmas brought it all back in her mind. What
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Speaker 1: do these people go through that never have any idea?
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Speaker 1: Did she just walk out on me? Did she leave
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Speaker 1: me and dad? Is she dead? Did she start a
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Speaker 1: new life somewhere else? Yeah? Have you ever wanted to
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Speaker 1: go back and look up somebody you went to elementary
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Speaker 1: school with or kindergarten and think, Wow, whatever happened to
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Speaker 1: you so and so? Can you imagine scouring the internet
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Speaker 1: every day trying to find out where's your mother? Look
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Speaker 1: at the story with you and Keith, Nancy, and you
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Speaker 1: actually knew what happened to him, but you weren't there.
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Speaker 1: And even that causes a response where you keep thinking,
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Speaker 1: maybe who left you? He or she is she had
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Speaker 1: an argument with her mother. I can't think of anything
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Speaker 1: worse than you have a fight with somebody and then
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Speaker 1: they disappear and you never see them again. And so
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Speaker 1: of course there's a part of her that's going to
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Speaker 1: hold herself responsible. What if we didn't have a fight
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Speaker 1: that day, what if I didn't leave and had stayed
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Speaker 1: with her? And it's all that guilt, Karen horrible, and
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Speaker 1: people when someone dies, there's a natural response in the
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Speaker 1: beginning to feel guilt to begin with. You know, I
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Speaker 1: should have been nice or I should have said that.
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Speaker 1: What about that day or the other day. You can't
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Speaker 1: help it. Your mind just keeps me playing it. But
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Speaker 1: here's the situation where she didn't know where her mother is.
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Speaker 1: And the worst part, Nancy, really, the worst part is
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Speaker 1: that she still has a little bit of hope. I
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Speaker 1: have no doubt that maybe her mother will show up.
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Speaker 1: Well a development. Take a listen hour cut sixteen. This
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Speaker 1: is Ellie speaking with Kansas City. So I went to
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Speaker 1: my boyfriend, Zach Krass's house, and I ended up staying
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Speaker 1: with him for the rest of the summer. What tre
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Speaker 1: now was that my dad said that she had been
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Speaker 1: taken away, taken to a mental institution hospital. He did
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Speaker 1: not want me visiting her until she was better. Okay,
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Speaker 1: right right there. Mary Hann joining me, associate editor of
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Speaker 1: Kansas City Magazine, who started my quest to try to
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Speaker 1: find out what happened to Angela Green. Mary taken away.
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Speaker 1: So the daughter has a spat with mom, she goes
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Speaker 1: to boyfriend's house, she stays there the rest of the summer,
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Speaker 1: just a few weeks left in the summer, and then
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Speaker 1: dad says she had a mental breakdown. Don't go see
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Speaker 1: until she's better. Wow, Okay, did did she have a
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Speaker 1: history of mental illness? There is no um you know,
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Speaker 1: record on paper that Angela Green had um you know,
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Speaker 1: serious mental health issues. They kind of described her as
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Speaker 1: being a bit of a recluse and said that she
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Speaker 1: at times exhibited some odd behaviors, like she didn't really
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Speaker 1: like to go to the grocery store alone, for instance,
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Speaker 1: she didn't like driving. She really kind of liked to
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Speaker 1: stay at home. Okay, right there, I just want to
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Speaker 1: stop Dale, Carson, I hate I hate going shopping. In fact,
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Speaker 1: I feel like a bad mother because so she's like, hey,
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Speaker 1: can we go shopping? I'm like, in and I'll actually
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Speaker 1: arrange playdates. So Lucy and goes shopping with her friends translations,
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Speaker 1: so I don't have to go and A'm all, they're
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Speaker 1: the devil. Do I want to go to the grocery store? Well,
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Speaker 1: the pandemic totally ruined me because I haven't delivered whenever
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Speaker 1: I can, wherever I can find it cheap enough to deliver.
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Speaker 1: Long story short, I don't find any of that unusual.
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Speaker 1: And did the relatives ever think maybe it was them?
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Speaker 1: Maybe she just didn't want to be around them. I mean,
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Speaker 1: think about a deal, Carson. None of that sounds odd
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Speaker 1: to me at all. Well, I don't think it's necessarily odd,
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Speaker 1: but the fact that she didn't like to leave the
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Speaker 1: house runs in the face of her leaving and just
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Speaker 1: going away. Oh it really does. As far as mental
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Speaker 1: illness though, I mean, Karen start, let me ask you.
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Speaker 1: You're joining us from Manhattan, would you do you? Would
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Speaker 1: you rather stay? And you're awesome apartment with all those
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Speaker 1: dogs that bark their heads off, up with a nice
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Speaker 1: cup of latte, Or do you want to go down
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Speaker 1: your elevator and go out on the city streets where
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Speaker 1: they probably haven't picked up the trash yet, and fight
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Speaker 1: your way through the crowd to get to the grocery
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Speaker 1: store where you could what dagstinos, where you could easily
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Speaker 1: have it delivered for like a five dollar fee. I mean,
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Speaker 1: which one would you pick? Well, I, personally, I don't
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Speaker 1: like them to the grocery store. It's just not something
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Speaker 1: that I do. I really, I'd rather order something. And
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Speaker 1: I'm medica. I know I forgot about the fact that
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Speaker 1: you don't like you don't. Let me just say cooking
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Speaker 1: is not your favorite thing to do. But I mean,
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Speaker 1: I don't find any of this odd. Yeah, only it
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Speaker 1: would be odd if she was a person who ever
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Speaker 1: would leave her house, right, And I'm just not getting that.
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Speaker 1: But to just suddenly tell your daughter, Hey, your mom
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Speaker 1: just got committed to a mental institution where she has
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Speaker 1: no history of mental illness. I just no, something is screaming.
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Speaker 1: This is all wrong, Okay, listen to this. On July sixteenth,
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Speaker 1: he pulled up to Zach's house and told me that
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Speaker 1: Angela died of a stroke. And then I basically fell
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Speaker 1: to my knees in the driveway and didn't have any words,
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Speaker 1: couldn't cry. I was just in shock. He did not
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Speaker 1: want to have a funeral or memorial service. Dear Lord
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Speaker 1: in Heaven, can you even imagine telling your daughter first
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Speaker 1: mom went to a mental institution, she threw a big
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Speaker 1: fit in the parking lot, don't go see her until
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Speaker 1: she's better, and then driving up to your daughter and going, oh, yes,
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Speaker 1: she died of a stroke. Mary Hann joining me, associate
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Speaker 1: editor or Kansas City Magazine, who sparked my whole inquiry
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Speaker 1: into what happened to Angela Greene. How old would Angela
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Speaker 1: have been at the time she had a stroke? About
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Speaker 1: fifty one? That's old she was when Yeah, at the
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Speaker 1: time of all of this, so a stroke, I mean,
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Speaker 1: is that normal to have a stroke at age fifty
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Speaker 1: one with no history of high pretension? I mean, none
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Speaker 1: of this seems seems normal? Right, And and just real
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Speaker 1: quick to her previous point. When I talked to Ellie,
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Speaker 1: she did say that, well, she might have noticed that
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Speaker 1: her mom, you know, may have had a few odd behavior.
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Speaker 1: She never imagined that that would be enough to hospitalize
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Speaker 1: her due to mental health issues slightly well, everything spins
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Speaker 1: out even more. Take a listen again to Ellie Greene.
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Speaker 1: I called it my aunt Catherine. I couldn't even say
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Speaker 1: anything at first, and I just cried for a whole minute.
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Speaker 1: And then I told her her sister had died, and
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Speaker 1: she was so confused, and she asked, like, why hasn't
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Speaker 1: Jeff told us this? I said, because he doesn't want
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Speaker 1: to um and her mind started racing about like funeral
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Speaker 1: re agiment since she had to fly down here. And
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Speaker 1: I told her it was back in July, and she said,
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Speaker 1: why to just like fig here that news. It's just horrible,
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Speaker 1: Dale Carson, I got all kind of alarms going off
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Speaker 1: in my head. Why would you not tell your wife's
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Speaker 1: sister that she's dead of a stroke? You know what?
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Speaker 1: This is reminding me of tod Mom Casey Anthony, where
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Speaker 1: tod Mom claims that Kelly was taken by the babysitter,
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Speaker 1: but she was doing her own private investigation and waited
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Speaker 1: for a month until her mom found out that Kelly
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Speaker 1: was missing. Or oh, here's another one taught mom. Also
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Speaker 1: taught Mom related where the new theory at trial was
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Speaker 1: that Kelly died in the pool where she accidentally fell
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Speaker 1: in and instead of telling people Kelly has passed away,
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Speaker 1: she drowned in the pool, having a funeral, letting family
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Speaker 1: and friends know about the tragedy. Todten mom's terry was
24:05
Speaker 1: her father, a former cop, fished the body out of
24:08
Speaker 1: the pool, through it the trash bag and threw it
24:09
Speaker 1: in the woods. That doesn't make sense, no, of course,
24:13
Speaker 1: not in first year, the eight months delay and notifying anyone.
24:17
Speaker 1: Then you have the follow up of the father, the
24:21
Speaker 1: husbands saying well she died or she's taken to the
24:25
Speaker 1: mental institution, things that can't easily be verified. So those
24:29
Speaker 1: are the three red flags that tell us that he
24:32
Speaker 1: knows way more than he's sake. You know, another thing
24:34
Speaker 1: to in course and tena former police chief from her
24:36
Speaker 1: sheriff US Homeland Security now private eye. Dan. I don't
24:42
Speaker 1: want you to take this the wrong way, but have
24:44
Speaker 1: you ever noticed I've got two women here in the
24:46
Speaker 1: studio with me. Have you ever noticed that? Is you
24:50
Speaker 1: hear how women become que hysterical. I remember a movie
24:53
Speaker 1: that was titled Women on the Verge of a nervous breakdown.
24:56
Speaker 1: You never hear, Oh, he just was hysterical. We had
25:00
Speaker 1: to put him in a mindal institution. You never hear that.
25:03
Speaker 1: It's always the woman. He's crazy and hysterical, and it's
25:07
Speaker 1: forced into a middle institution and swoops, she died. Why
25:11
Speaker 1: is that, Dan Corsentino, You're the former police chief, the
25:14
Speaker 1: former sheriff. Why is it just as women are the
25:17
Speaker 1: ones that are hysterical all the time. Well, I don't
25:19
Speaker 1: think women are the only ones we die. Yeah, I
25:23
Speaker 1: don't know if that's completely true. I know, you don't
25:27
Speaker 1: know if he's completely true that just the women are hysterical.
25:32
Speaker 1: It's not true. Men are hysterical. Men are hysterical, and
25:37
Speaker 1: men have great passion, great emotion. They display that, And
25:41
Speaker 1: that's an unfair comment. But this case is, as many cases,
25:46
Speaker 1: it's very calculating. Dan Corsentino, you just said that so
25:50
Speaker 1: much better than I was saying it. I was angry
25:54
Speaker 1: that women are always paid his emotional hysterical. Oh hey,
25:59
Speaker 1: you know what, Jackie, it must have been her period.
26:02
Speaker 1: She was nutting up. She was quote hormonal. If I
26:05
Speaker 1: hear that one more time, I guess I'll just get hysterical.
26:10
Speaker 1: Mary Ann who she goes to a male institution and
26:15
Speaker 1: then she dies. But then not telling the relatives, not
26:22
Speaker 1: telling Angela's own sister that she had passed to me
26:28
Speaker 1: is a huge red flag. When you heard that, what
26:32
Speaker 1: was your reaction? And does Angela understand how wrong that is? Yeah?
26:40
Speaker 1: I mean my first thought is to ask why why
26:44
Speaker 1: didn't he tell family? And not? Something that I asked
26:48
Speaker 1: Ellie and her response was sort of, you know that
26:52
Speaker 1: her her father kind of expressed that he wasn't ready,
26:57
Speaker 1: he wasn't ready to tell them. And then my other
27:00
Speaker 1: thought was, well, if this is her family, why why
27:06
Speaker 1: are they sort of okay with going eight months without
27:10
Speaker 1: hearing from her? Right? Seven eight months without hearing anything
27:12
Speaker 1: from her? And apparently, you know, by this point in time,
27:16
Speaker 1: Angela had been kind of withdrawn from her her family.
27:21
Speaker 1: They had moved to New York from Kansas. We're kind
27:25
Speaker 1: of living their own lives, and it wasn't uncommon that
27:28
Speaker 1: they would go, you know, months without talking to each other,
27:32
Speaker 1: even on the phone. That's a really good point, Mary,
27:34
Speaker 1: because I thought the same thing. You don't talk to
27:36
Speaker 1: your sister for eight months, and there's something nothing wrong
27:38
Speaker 1: with that. But apparently they had that relationship where they
27:41
Speaker 1: were not very close. Ones in New York, one is
27:44
Speaker 1: in Kansas, and they just don't They just don't talk
27:48
Speaker 1: that much. You know. I see a lot of people
27:50
Speaker 1: Mary when they have their own family, they kind of
27:52
Speaker 1: discard their siblings. And maybe that's what happened here, or
27:57
Speaker 1: maybe it was the other way around. But I'll tell
28:00
Speaker 1: you now we're getting into conflicting stories. Take a listen
28:07
Speaker 1: to Dave DeMarco Box four Casey. When neighbors reached out
28:12
Speaker 1: to the couple's daughter away at college, she texted He
28:15
Speaker 1: said her dad told her that her mom died of
28:20
Speaker 1: a stroke in July, but that she thinks that may
28:23
Speaker 1: not be the came. We have some conflicting statements about
28:27
Speaker 1: her whereabouts. That's a little concerning for us. Yeah, we
28:30
Speaker 1: have some more information. Yeah, it's very kind of disturbing,
28:36
Speaker 1: and some neighbors just don't believe what they're hearing, guaranteeing
28:40
Speaker 1: she did not have a stroke. So police are calling
28:42
Speaker 1: this a missing person's investigation and asking anyone who has
28:46
Speaker 1: seen Angela Green to contact them. She's a five foot
28:49
Speaker 1: nine inches tall Asian woman, one hundred and sixteen pounds
28:52
Speaker 1: with brown hair and brown eyes. You can call the
28:55
Speaker 1: Prairie Village Police Department here or the Crime Stoppers Tips
28:59
Speaker 1: hot line at eight one six four seven four tips.
29:03
Speaker 1: You know, I love what that neighbor said. I guarantee
29:07
Speaker 1: you she did not have a stroke. Did you hear
29:10
Speaker 1: the neighbors say that, Jack, I guarantee you she did
29:13
Speaker 1: not have a stroke. You know, very often when I
29:19
Speaker 1: argue to juries, I asked them to use their common sense.
29:25
Speaker 1: Nobody believes this woman had a stroke. Can I tell
29:31
Speaker 1: you there's always a trail if you know where to look.
29:35
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at the Kansas City
29:38
Speaker 1: Star speaking to Ellie Greene. My mom's family asked me
29:41
Speaker 1: for a death certificate, so I went to Tubeka and
29:47
Speaker 1: I as if they could find one, and he said
29:55
Speaker 1: that there wasn't any record of her death. There was
29:59
Speaker 1: an any record of her death in the state of Kansas.
30:02
Speaker 1: Because I knew when there was no death certificate that
30:05
Speaker 1: my stomach sank and something was wrong. But then I
30:08
Speaker 1: went to the police. I filed on missing this person's report.
30:12
Speaker 1: I wish I had closure to this. I don't believe
30:16
Speaker 1: she's alive anymore. I think she would reach out to me,
30:21
Speaker 1: have some sort of contact with me, there would be
30:24
Speaker 1: some trace of her somewhere, Like she wouldn't just leave
30:28
Speaker 1: home without her driver's license or passport or phone or car.
30:34
Speaker 1: That seems really strange to me. Prime stories with Nancy
30:53
Speaker 1: Grace to Mayhan, associate editor or Kansas City Magazine, you
31:05
Speaker 1: can't have a legal cremation without a death certificate. That
31:14
Speaker 1: that's against the law. That is against the law. Who
31:18
Speaker 1: declared her dad? Where was she supposed to have died?
31:22
Speaker 1: Was there an autopsy? Was she in a medical hospital?
31:29
Speaker 1: Is there any trace of Angela to suggest she really
31:37
Speaker 1: passed away, that she really was cremated, that there was
31:41
Speaker 1: ever a death certificate? Yeah, there's there's no trace, Nancy,
31:46
Speaker 1: No death certificate for Angela Green was found in the
31:48
Speaker 1: state of Kansas or in the entire US. No death
31:53
Speaker 1: certificate exists for Angela Green. Are you sure? Yes? That was?
31:57
Speaker 1: I mean that was according to police. They they investigated
32:02
Speaker 1: that after Ellie went on her own and searched for
32:05
Speaker 1: a death certificate for a mother in the state of Kansas,
32:07
Speaker 1: there wasn't one, And then later police did a nationwide
32:12
Speaker 1: search for a death certificate and there was not one.
32:15
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our French Roy Honeycutt Fox four.
32:19
Speaker 1: Green also told his daughter's Angela's ashes were delivered to
32:22
Speaker 1: the home, but he never made arrangements to have her cremated.
32:25
Speaker 1: In another call, Ellie points that out to her dad.
32:28
Speaker 1: Did you look into a death certificate after mom passed away?
32:32
Speaker 1: After you got that phone call? So I figured that
32:36
Speaker 1: when the time came to where a death certificate was needed,
32:39
Speaker 1: and that could have been the taxes. Well, the death
32:43
Speaker 1: sertificate is needed when you cremate somebody. Yeah, but I
32:46
Speaker 1: don't know that I need to get a death certificate
32:48
Speaker 1: for crema that all works, and you chose not to
32:53
Speaker 1: look it up and research anything about it. Funeral directors
32:58
Speaker 1: say they won't make that decision for a family. They can't.
33:01
Speaker 1: Is there ever an instance in Kansas where someone could
33:05
Speaker 1: be cremated leasally without a cremator's permit? No, funeral holmes
33:09
Speaker 1: want to make incrematories want to make sure number one,
33:12
Speaker 1: they have a correct body, that the family does want
33:15
Speaker 1: the cremation, and they obviously don't want to cremate someone
33:19
Speaker 1: where the person who has authority to make those decisions
33:23
Speaker 1: is signing off on it. Back to Mary Hint, joining
33:26
Speaker 1: us from Kansas City, Mary. That is actually the husband,
33:31
Speaker 1: Jeff's voice. How was that obtained? That was husband Jeff
33:36
Speaker 1: Green speaking to the daughter Ellie. Correct, Yes, Yes, that
33:40
Speaker 1: was a phone conversation or recorded phone conversation between Jeff
33:45
Speaker 1: and Ellie. If you've been following this case, you know
33:49
Speaker 1: that Jeff has from the beginning not said a word
33:53
Speaker 1: to police. So there aren't any recordings of Jeff, you know,
33:57
Speaker 1: spechnically they're going on record. He has not done that.
34:00
Speaker 1: Ellie did take the liberty the initiative to record her
34:06
Speaker 1: phone calls with her father, and that's what you're hearing
34:09
Speaker 1: there in that recording. So he's basically saying that someone
34:13
Speaker 1: else just delivered the cremated remains, that he never asked
34:17
Speaker 1: for his wife to be cremated. Yeah, that was sort
34:19
Speaker 1: of a story that he apparently gave to his daughter Ellie,
34:26
Speaker 1: that Angela had been cremated after her death after having
34:30
Speaker 1: a stroke in the hospital. There was even an urn
34:33
Speaker 1: in the family home, but later that urn was found
34:39
Speaker 1: to be empty, and all the time he had implied
34:43
Speaker 1: that those were his wife's ashes, according to Ellie. Okay, okay,
34:48
Speaker 1: take a lesson hour cut nine, Fox four. In this
34:50
Speaker 1: text message that's never been made public. Jeff tells his
34:53
Speaker 1: daughter Ellie he has Angela taken to a mental health
34:56
Speaker 1: facility to handoff to care workers. Happens in the parking
34:59
Speaker 1: lot of a sue from market. However, later he says
35:01
Speaker 1: that never happened. You literally told me that she was
35:05
Speaker 1: not taking away in a public parking lot with people. Well,
35:10
Speaker 1: I thought that I was going to try and do that,
35:12
Speaker 1: and then I figured to that thing, not people the
35:14
Speaker 1: best thing. So I told her that I was going
35:16
Speaker 1: to have people come and pick her up and she
35:19
Speaker 1: was going to go to the hospital. Anytime law enforcement
35:21
Speaker 1: looks at changing stories, it raises suspicion without evidence. I
35:26
Speaker 1: wouldn't dare say he did it, and I wouldn't say
35:29
Speaker 1: it's not possible. There's another explanation, del Carson joining me,
35:32
Speaker 1: former fed with the FBI, now high profile lawyer joining
35:35
Speaker 1: me out of Jacksonville. Dell Carson. It's one thing to
35:38
Speaker 1: add to your story under the right questioning, I would
35:41
Speaker 1: assume facts would be added, But to change your story
35:46
Speaker 1: as a whole other animal. No question that. When you're
35:50
Speaker 1: interviewed by whoever it is, and you are giving answers
35:55
Speaker 1: to reasonable questions and they're all turned around backwards. It's
36:00
Speaker 1: as though the person asking the questions, why would you
36:04
Speaker 1: ask me that question when you know what the answer
36:07
Speaker 1: is going to be and the answers are invalid. There's
36:11
Speaker 1: no reason in the world to answer by saying she
36:15
Speaker 1: was taken away and then she died and we got
36:18
Speaker 1: her ashes. But we don't know where she was taken
36:21
Speaker 1: away too. We don't know how she was taken We
36:25
Speaker 1: don't know how she actually died. And as we know,
36:28
Speaker 1: I saying Dell Carson, she wasn't cremated. There's nothing in
36:32
Speaker 1: that urn. Nothing, that's the fact. You know, Mary hen
36:38
Speaker 1: do they still does the father, Jeff Green, still live
36:43
Speaker 1: in the same home that he was living in when
36:47
Speaker 1: his wife Angela had a stroke. Yeah, it's it's my knowledge.
36:51
Speaker 1: She is still living in their Prairie Village home and
36:56
Speaker 1: kiss Um. You know, Dean Corsentino, did you hear what
36:59
Speaker 1: Mary Hena said? They need to be tearing that home
37:02
Speaker 1: up board by board. I agree, one hund. I think
37:05
Speaker 1: that's an investigation from the man of time. The past
37:10
Speaker 1: of eight months has been inconclusive because the police haven't
37:15
Speaker 1: got in in the thorough search and I agree with that. Okay,
37:20
Speaker 1: is it true, Mary hen that at some point the husband,
37:25
Speaker 1: Jeff Green changes his story and says his wife ran
37:30
Speaker 1: away with another man. Maybe that's what happened. Yeah, so
37:33
Speaker 1: that's certainly what the information that I got from Ellie.
37:37
Speaker 1: So this whole time, his story has been changing, he's
37:42
Speaker 1: been changing the narrative, as you know, related to Ellie. Again,
37:49
Speaker 1: he has refused to cooperate with law enforcement. So we
37:52
Speaker 1: don't have, you know, an official record of that, but
37:56
Speaker 1: we do have as you just played the recorded phone calls,
37:59
Speaker 1: we have text messages to Ellie, and it's very obvious
38:04
Speaker 1: that he has lied somewhere down the line that his story,
38:09
Speaker 1: you know, the very leads that his story has changed
38:12
Speaker 1: several times. What was his story about her running away
38:15
Speaker 1: with another man? Yeah? He So after all of this
38:21
Speaker 1: sort of starts surfacing and Ellie and Angela's family kind
38:26
Speaker 1: of started digging for answers, Jeff starts to tell Ellie
38:31
Speaker 1: that he might have seen Angela around their home in
38:34
Speaker 1: Prairie Village at the end of twenty nineteen, that she
38:38
Speaker 1: ran off with friends, that she left the house, you know,
38:43
Speaker 1: and that someone picked her up in a car. Wow.
38:45
Speaker 1: You know what that sounds like, uh to you, Karen starts,
38:49
Speaker 1: it sounds like exactly like what Drew Peterson said about
38:53
Speaker 1: his fourth wife, Stacy Peterson, whose body has never been found.
38:58
Speaker 1: He was finally tried for them murder of his third wife,
39:01
Speaker 1: Kathleen Savio, who was found drowned in a bone dry bathtub.
39:09
Speaker 1: She was exhumed and jury convicted him of murder. But
39:14
Speaker 1: he also said that fourth wife Stacy just left on foot.
39:20
Speaker 1: A car came and got her. She left behind all
39:22
Speaker 1: of her stuff, all of her clothes, everything, their children,
39:25
Speaker 1: her children, to be with another man, and she's never
39:29
Speaker 1: been seen again. Well, Nancy, I mean, what makes sense
39:32
Speaker 1: out of all of this? He changes his story over
39:35
Speaker 1: and over again. Joy's a woman who doesn't leave the
39:40
Speaker 1: house that much. I mean, everyone is saying she doesn't
39:43
Speaker 1: like to go out. Her daughter says, and somehow after
39:49
Speaker 1: he said he's been committed, then she said when she
39:53
Speaker 1: left in a car with somebody else, there's no burnt,
39:57
Speaker 1: no death, So to give it none of it and
39:59
Speaker 1: is so conveni and that oh suddenly she has a boyfriend. Guys,
40:03
Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut eleven. Our friend Dylan
40:06
Speaker 1: Thomas at CBS four Colorado. This weekend, a new Miss
40:09
Speaker 1: Colorado USA will be crowned right here on the stage
40:12
Speaker 1: behind me in Greeley. Each contestant comes with a unique
40:15
Speaker 1: story and a different cause which they are backing. But
40:18
Speaker 1: for one contestant, she says, this stage behind me will
40:21
Speaker 1: give her the opportunity to bring a voice to those
40:24
Speaker 1: who no longer have one. Pageants they aren't for the
40:27
Speaker 1: faint of heart, but for first time contestant Ellie Green,
40:30
Speaker 1: the excitement and also the reasons I'm doing this, they
40:33
Speaker 1: cancel out those nerves. The Miss Colorado USA pageant gives
40:37
Speaker 1: contestants like Ellie a platform, a platform Ellie hopes to
40:41
Speaker 1: share with her mother. I'm advocating for my mom because
40:44
Speaker 1: she doesn't have a voice. She disappeared about two years
40:47
Speaker 1: ago and I still don't know where she is or
40:51
Speaker 1: what happened to her. Two years ago, Angela Green went
40:53
Speaker 1: missing near Kansas City. Ellie's father told her Angela had
40:57
Speaker 1: been unexpectedly hospitalized, later saying she had passed away, But
41:01
Speaker 1: then when no death record could be found, he changed
41:04
Speaker 1: the story, saying Angelo was actually alive but had run away.
41:09
Speaker 1: Mary hen that proves that you can look as she does,
41:14
Speaker 1: absolutely stunning and beautiful, like you've got the world at
41:17
Speaker 1: your fate. Here she is competing in miss Colorado, and
41:22
Speaker 1: even as she is on the stage and all of
41:25
Speaker 1: her finery, she is missing her mother desperately. Why what
41:33
Speaker 1: are police doing to solve the case? Mary? That's a
41:36
Speaker 1: great question, Nancy, And that's something that I've asked that
41:41
Speaker 1: something Michelle Angela's needs has been asking that something Ellie
41:44
Speaker 1: has been asking. They want answers, they want some closure,
41:51
Speaker 1: and you know, I believe Prairie Village police said in
41:57
Speaker 1: July twenty twenty that they had exhausted over two hundred
42:00
Speaker 1: leads and that the case was officially cold. Have they
42:04
Speaker 1: torn apart of the house. Well, the thing about that
42:06
Speaker 1: is Jeff had multiple properties, so they did a search
42:09
Speaker 1: of the Prairie Village home and later searched another home
42:14
Speaker 1: that he had in Laurence. But there's some some questionable
42:18
Speaker 1: things kind of surrounding the search of that Lawrence property.
42:22
Speaker 1: You know what, this case needs to be reopened. If
42:26
Speaker 1: you have information, dial nine one three six four two
42:30
Speaker 1: six eight six eight or Crime Stoppers eight one six
42:35
Speaker 1: four seven four tips T I P S. Eight, four, seven, seven,
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Speaker 1: Where is Angela? Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off goodbye friend,