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Jags A.M. Podcast Ep. 136 | Front Office Structure, Head Coach Coen on Current Players & Future NFL Tentpoles · Jags A.M.

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Speaker 1: Sign sex name don Oger. Are with me as we're
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Speaker 1: going to recap the Combine for you from last week
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Speaker 1: and also talk a little bit about free agency, which
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Speaker 1: is about a week away at this point. So let's
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Speaker 1: start out with our big things today. First big thing
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Speaker 1: is first impressions GM. James Gladstone was introduced to us
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Speaker 1: last week and kick things off right away by heading
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Speaker 1: to the Combine and getting to work. And he's talking
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Speaker 1: a little bit to us about what it's going to
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Speaker 1: be like getting integrated with his new.
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Speaker 2: Team in terms of you know, what you may say
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Speaker 2: is me getting up to speed. I'm going to calibrate
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Speaker 2: my own mode of operation to the jaguars current mode
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Speaker 2: of operation. One person changing rather than a large group
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Speaker 2: changing in the immediate immediate mode is going to be
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Speaker 2: a little bit more efficient and less disruptive.
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Speaker 1: Brian, there's a lot of new faces around here right now.
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Speaker 1: They are all in Indianapolis last week getting to work together.
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Speaker 1: What are your first impressions of James Gladstone from what
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Speaker 1: we've seen so far?
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Speaker 3: Well, I told Jeff Logerman during our live broadcast before
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Speaker 3: his introductor press conference that I had talked to a
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Speaker 3: friend who used to work here, who now works there?
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Speaker 3: Who said that James Gladstone in a building filled with stars,
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Speaker 3: great people, very successful people, that RAMS organization has produced
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Speaker 3: a spider web of people all across the NFL because
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Speaker 3: of the way they do things. But that Gladstone in
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Speaker 3: a building filled with stars who shined is bright or.
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Speaker 4: Brighter than almost all of them.
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Speaker 3: And the more that you listen to him and get
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Speaker 3: a feel for a thirty four year old guy with
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Speaker 3: the presence, with the wisdom to say what he just said,
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Speaker 3: it just it verifies what I was told that the
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Speaker 3: guy is made for this position. And no one out
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Speaker 3: there in LA expects anything but incredible success from Gladstone.
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Speaker 4: So that's good to hear.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's really really really sharp. I mean and talking
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Speaker 5: to him a couple of times the combine. Uh, the
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Speaker 5: thing that stands out is his ability to communicate, and
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Speaker 5: it's it's difficult to overemphasize that trait in a GM.
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Speaker 5: His ability to take an idea, a concept, a trait
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Speaker 5: that he wants in a player and make it so
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Speaker 5: everybody in the organization clearly understands what a team is
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Speaker 5: looking for.
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Speaker 6: Uh.
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Speaker 5: That goes to messaging, it goes to player trait, et cetera,
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Speaker 5: et cetera.
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Speaker 6: Uh I I it's uh h, he's going.
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Speaker 5: To be really really good at this and you know
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Speaker 5: it that doesn't guarantee results on the field, but and
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Speaker 5: you know, because nothing does, but I H. This guy's
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Speaker 5: communication skills along with Liam Cohen's uh energy focus, uh
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Speaker 5: it gives you organization a chance.
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Speaker 1: Let's go to our second big thing today, which is
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Speaker 1: gonna be hunkered down when we're talking about getting things going,
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Speaker 1: you know, hitting the ground running with them.
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Speaker 6: Of course, James Gladstone.
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Speaker 1: Talked a little bit about with the new EVP Tony Bsseli,
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Speaker 1: and of course new head coach Lilliam Cohen, all of
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Speaker 1: them traveled to Indianapolis together, had a hunkered down right.
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Speaker 2: The fact that we're a new coaching staff, a new
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Speaker 2: general manager working with our scouting staff, this is a
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Speaker 2: great opportunity for an off site and just build some
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Speaker 2: of the connective kissue that otherwise wouldn't necessarily exist because
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Speaker 2: we'd just be in our normal mode of operation in Jacksonville.
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Speaker 1: John, you always send a team, if you work for
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Speaker 1: a team, you always send some people to the combine.
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Speaker 1: But they pretty much send everybody from the new front
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Speaker 1: office out there to kind of work together and get
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Speaker 1: things going.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, they did, and I'm not sure how long they
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Speaker 5: will do it this way. The Rams historically don't go
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Speaker 5: to the combine except for a small number of people,
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Speaker 5: so maybe that's the Jaguars approach going forward.
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Speaker 6: I think this approach this year was about, Okay, we
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Speaker 6: need to go to the combine. We need to get
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Speaker 6: this thing established.
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Speaker 5: They also looked at it as very much let's move
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Speaker 5: the facilities out there, let's move the workforce out there,
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Speaker 5: as a chance for everybody to get to know each other,
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Speaker 5: to build some camaraderie, to build some chemistry.
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Speaker 6: A very expensive team building, if you will.
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Speaker 5: But I think that's important at this stage, and they
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Speaker 5: were certainly approaching it like that.
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Speaker 3: Well it's listen, it's every day now that they're back, kay.
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Speaker 3: I mean, these guys are here in the building and
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Speaker 3: they're working late nights, in early mornings some Saturdays and Sundays.
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Speaker 3: It's hard to take a day off when you have
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Speaker 3: as much coming at them as is coming at them.
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Speaker 3: You mentioned free agency begins next week, and then you're
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Speaker 3: going to have guys who are out on the pro
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Speaker 3: day tour and before you know it, you'll have the
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Speaker 3: off not off the field, the out of season program
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Speaker 3: right where the guys are back in. I think April
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Speaker 3: seventh is when that starts, and then the draft and
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Speaker 3: the OTAs. They have a lot of ground to cover
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Speaker 3: in a very short period of time. So that was
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Speaker 3: just the jump start to getting guys you know who
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Speaker 3: each individual person is, kind of names and faces. Because
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Speaker 3: now the real work begins to get ready.
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Speaker 1: That leads us into our final big thing, which is
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Speaker 1: free agency. We've talked about all the changes in the
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Speaker 1: off season, and now free agency is upon us about
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Speaker 1: a week away at this point. So Brian, when you're
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Speaker 1: looking at what the players are going to be in
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Speaker 1: this because in the past the Jaguars have had to
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Speaker 1: do a lot a free agency, but now with a
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Speaker 1: new coaching staff, you might have to address the needs
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Speaker 1: as well. So do we have any inkling of which
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Speaker 1: way they might be going with that?
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Speaker 6: Not really.
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Speaker 3: I mean, listen, the DNA of this organization has been
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Speaker 3: to use free agency to build the roster, but all
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Speaker 3: at the same time professing they didn't want to do
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Speaker 3: it that way.
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Speaker 4: The most successful.
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Speaker 3: Teams in the last ten years, fifteen years, maybe the
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Speaker 3: modern era of the NFL have built through the draft.
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Speaker 3: Now you're talking about a very strong Rams presence in
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Speaker 3: the building now, and they're asymmetrical thinkers. I mean, they
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Speaker 3: were trading first round picks to grab veteran guys. We
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Speaker 3: know about Jalen Ramsey and many many others, Dante Fowler,
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Speaker 3: junior players who ended up out there. So it'll be
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Speaker 3: interesting to see how it evolves. It'll depend on their
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Speaker 3: evaluation of the roster. Do there a couple guys here
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Speaker 3: they could move with. They've got some room they could
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Speaker 3: play if they want. I just don't know whether they
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Speaker 3: want to or not.
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Speaker 5: John, Yeah, I think they'll They'll have a plan. They'll
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Speaker 5: go after some guys, some trades.
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Speaker 6: It's important.
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Speaker 5: Remember the Rams did what Brian talking about when they
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Speaker 5: were going after it, and they feel like they were
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Speaker 5: close to the Super Bowl. I don't think the Jaguars
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Speaker 5: will necessarily try to build the roster that way. When
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Speaker 5: Gladstone talked philosophically at the combine last week, he talked
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Speaker 5: for He talked far more about the fact that the
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Speaker 5: Jaguars have more draft picks in the next two years
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Speaker 5: and any other team he likes that. I think he's
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Speaker 5: gonna lean toward that. No team really wants to build
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Speaker 5: their roster through free agency. It's when you don't draft
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Speaker 5: and develop well that you wind up having to. So
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Speaker 5: I think you will see freedency use this year to
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Speaker 5: make up for some roster holes they need.
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Speaker 6: They need to address quickly.
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Speaker 5: But I think overall it's gonna try to be draft
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Speaker 5: and developed that they just have to draft.
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Speaker 1: Well, just draft well, it's easy enough. It sounds that way. Anyway, Staylas,
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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk a little bit about what went down
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Speaker 1: at the combine last week.
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Speaker 2: You know what, one of the most alluring and intriguing
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Speaker 2: pieces to this opportunity was the fact that the leadership
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Speaker 2: group and the dynamic actually mirrors what I'm most familiar
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Speaker 2: with in Los Angeles.
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Speaker 6: So it was one that I.
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Speaker 2: Could see a clear visual for finding success.
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Speaker 4: So really excited about.
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Speaker 2: The opportunity to work with Tony and Liam and support
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Speaker 2: both of them and bring Liam's vision to life here
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Speaker 2: in these next few weeks into the later portion of
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Speaker 2: the spring, through the draft to your.
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Speaker 6: General manager games.
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Speaker 1: Last on the final piece of this front office puzzle
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Speaker 1: that they've been putting together for the last couple of
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Speaker 1: months at this point.
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Speaker 6: Excited to all be.
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Speaker 1: In place now, Brian, I think we finally know where
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Speaker 1: everything is going and now we can kind of get
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Speaker 1: everything pushed.
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Speaker 4: Off that way.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they've got a plan and he's mentioned it, We've
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Speaker 3: all talked about it. We don't know exactly what the
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Speaker 3: plan is at this point, but.
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Speaker 4: They're figuring their way out.
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Speaker 3: John, You figure the most important thing for them to
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Speaker 3: be doing right now is to have a full evaluation
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Speaker 3: of the roster. What each of these individual coaches thinks
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Speaker 3: about what he's got.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's a lot of what last week was about.
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Speaker 5: Meaning the coaching had clearly grinded through the roster in
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Speaker 5: the week or so before the Combine, and then at
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Speaker 5: the Combine last week there was a lot of meetings about, Okay,
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Speaker 5: this is the roster, this is the free agency plan.
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Speaker 5: How do you get that going with the draft preparations.
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Speaker 5: It's important to note that and Glassow and Cohen both
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Speaker 5: went into this deep last week. This is about the
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Speaker 5: schedule that most teams have when you start getting ready
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Speaker 5: for free agency. With the combine, the cram for the
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Speaker 5: test phase, so to speak, is them digging into their
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Speaker 5: own roster. The coaches trying to figure out, Okay, this
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Speaker 5: is what we have. It's encouraging. I think that Tony
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Speaker 5: BISSELLI yesterday when I was talking to him for the Tony.
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Speaker 7: Biselli podcast, the EVP podcast Call It said Gladstone's interpretation
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Speaker 7: of the roster already was dead on, very in line
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Speaker 7: with what Tony had seen.
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Speaker 6: And Tony is, I guess, really the guy in the
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Speaker 6: unique position.
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Speaker 5: He has some muscle memory on these guys, the ability
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Speaker 5: to absorb what they've done over the course of time.
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Speaker 6: Or has everybody else is sort of cramming for the test.
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Speaker 1: How much should be made of We talk about each
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Speaker 1: of them reporting to the owner separately, right, so it's
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Speaker 1: maybe not a typical power dynamic of reporting to your.
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Speaker 6: Boss and reporting up.
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Speaker 1: They all kind of will report to Shad Khan and
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Speaker 1: is there something he said for that or if you're
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Speaker 1: all actually kind of working together on the same page,
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Speaker 1: hopefully there's not a ton of infighting that you really
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Speaker 1: need to be going around each other.
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Speaker 3: Well, they were very deliberate in their timeline to grab
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Speaker 3: the right general manager because it was pretty clear, I mean,
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Speaker 3: Liam is the leader over here in terms of football,
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Speaker 3: and Tony's gonna handle football operations, and Sead said at
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Speaker 3: the introductor news conference last week that what he was
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Speaker 3: really looking for was a group of three guys who
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Speaker 3: could work together so he didn't have to be the
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Speaker 3: guy who.
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Speaker 4: Was the thread.
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Speaker 3: And at various times he has had to be that guy.
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Speaker 3: So I guess that Gladstone coming in and the aliberate
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Speaker 3: way that they went about finding the right guy means
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Speaker 3: that those three men will be able to put their
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Speaker 3: finger on the right moves, whether it's free agency, the draft,
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Speaker 3: the execution from a football operation standpoint, and all three
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Speaker 3: will communicate to the owner, who's not going to necessarily
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Speaker 3: be that common thread like he has been in the past.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's certainly this plan works until you're oh to
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Speaker 5: thirteen and everybody's like mad at each other. That's sort
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Speaker 5: of the cynicists or cynical person's point of view. But
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Speaker 5: I thought Cohen said it best last week when he said, look,
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Speaker 5: if we're grinding through and talking about a player and
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Speaker 5: we just can't find middle ground, this is clearly the
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Speaker 5: way the rams work. Because Glaston said a couple of times,
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Speaker 5: well then we move on from the player, and I
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Speaker 5: think that makes the most sense the Coen's going to
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Speaker 5: be coaching the team.
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Speaker 6: Glastone won't be involved with that.
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Speaker 5: So this, you know, final say thing comes down to
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Speaker 5: those rare occasions, and it doesn't happen that often, even
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Speaker 5: when guys aren't getting along, when you just can't agree.
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Speaker 5: And I think they both saw with the Rams that
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Speaker 5: you can get to a certain point and then you
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Speaker 5: get a feeling of you know what, if we're at
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Speaker 5: odds about this guy, then he's not going to work here.
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Speaker 6: It doesn't make any sense. So I think it works fine.
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Speaker 3: Look, it became a storyline in the early nineties when
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Speaker 3: Bill Parcells left the Giants and went to the Patriots.
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Speaker 3: He had a general manager everywhere he was and he
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Speaker 3: uttered the famous line, if I'm going to cook the meal,
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Speaker 3: I should be able to go and buy the groceries.
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Speaker 3: And at various times that's worked. The model that really
11:35
Speaker 3: has worked is what's worked in Kansas City in recent years,
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Speaker 3: and that is that Andy Reard hired Brent Viach, who
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Speaker 3: is his GM, and he gets him the players that
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Speaker 3: he wants.
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Speaker 4: That's the model that works. However they structure.
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Speaker 3: It, reporting to the owner. Liam had a strong say
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Speaker 3: in who the general manager was going to be because
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Speaker 3: those two men had to be able to communicate about
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Speaker 3: exactly the players he wanted to make the system. John said,
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Speaker 3: Liam's coaching the team. Gladstone's job to bring him the
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Speaker 3: players that he wants.
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Speaker 5: I think the phrase coach centric organization which has kicked around,
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Speaker 5: and SHOT's really talked about that really now since the
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Speaker 5: urban Meyer higher that, you know that's what he wants.
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Speaker 6: It's certainly what Bisselli believes he's here to do.
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Speaker 5: He said any number of times, I'm the left tackle
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Speaker 5: of the organization. I'm here to support what's going on.
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Speaker 5: And I think that's really the spirit of what Gladstone
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Speaker 5: and b Besselli are.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 3: The other thing about Tony is he's a common sense guy, right.
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Speaker 3: I mean he understands people, knowing from happy hour with
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Speaker 3: Pete where the two were, you know, butt heads in
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Speaker 3: battle and spar verbally. But Tony's a guy who can
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Speaker 3: bring consensus to a room as well. I've seen it
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Speaker 3: over time. He's a guy who can sit in there
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Speaker 3: and talk through some things. He's got a little diplomat
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Speaker 3: in him. People don't give him credit for that.
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Speaker 1: I think it's the offensive lineman in him.
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Speaker 6: You got to get everybody on the same page together.
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Speaker 3: In the Jaggars Golden Ear, he was the leader in
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Speaker 3: the locker room, not the quarterback, not the receiver, and
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Speaker 3: no one on defense. Tony Boselli was the leader, and
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Speaker 3: he understood that he had to set the tone, and
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Speaker 3: at times in this new arrangement, there may be times
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Speaker 3: where he has to help bring everyone together for the
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Speaker 3: common tone.
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Speaker 1: We're talking a little bit about James Gladston because he's
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Speaker 1: the newest addition to this thirty four years old. Obviously
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Speaker 1: it's a youth movement all around here in Jacksonville right now, John,
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Speaker 1: did you hear anything at the combine? Obviously you don't
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Speaker 1: hear a ton about front office people until they take
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Speaker 1: over as a GM somewhere.
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Speaker 6: So what have we heard so.
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Speaker 4: Far about him?
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Speaker 5: Well, basically that what you see in the press conferences
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Speaker 5: is what he is meaning. Sean McVay was on the
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Speaker 5: Pat McAfee show and pretty insightful in terms of saying
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Speaker 5: exactly what we've already said about James Gladstone, his ability
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Speaker 5: to communicate. I think Shawn's quote was I could just
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Speaker 5: sit in the room and listen to this guy, and
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Speaker 5: you can kind of see that when he's on the podium,
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Speaker 5: even though he's only thirty four. He has an interesting
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Speaker 5: way of talking about things. It's easy to see how
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Speaker 5: if you're a wide receivers coach or an area scout,
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Speaker 5: you sit and you listen to this guy and you
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Speaker 5: know what he's talking about. And that's really the important
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Speaker 5: trade of this general manager position. That person has to
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Speaker 5: make sure that everybody who's involved with talent acquisition with
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Speaker 5: direction understands what we're looking for in a special team
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Speaker 5: or in an offensive alignment, and they also be on
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Speaker 5: the same page.
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Speaker 6: That's not that easy to do.
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Speaker 5: It's a job of intelligence, player evaluation, but more than anything,
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Speaker 5: it's a job of communication because you're dealing with a
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Speaker 5: lot of moving parts.
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Speaker 3: I had it explained to me by somebody in Los
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Speaker 3: Angeles who said that he is where he is because
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Speaker 3: he was never scared to step into a challenging situation
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Speaker 3: that maybe exceeded his skill set when he got there
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Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen and went out there with less need,
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Speaker 3: and it quickly became apparent that he could work his
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Speaker 3: way through situations that were maybe beyond him at the point,
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Speaker 3: and he raced to this point where he now nine
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Speaker 3: years later, is the general manager because he is able
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Speaker 3: to see situations for what they are and work right
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Speaker 3: through them. He always took on the big challenge, and.
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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a challenge.
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Speaker 6: It's gonna be a good challenge. Stay with here on JAGSZAM.
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Speaker 1: Coming up after the break, we'll talk a little bit
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Speaker 1: about free agency and the draft and what.
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Speaker 6: The focuses might be for the Jacks.
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Speaker 8: He's so dynamic, being able to move him around where
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Speaker 8: you saw him at LSU, maybe not do some of
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Speaker 8: those things right where he was mostly outside running more
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Speaker 8: linear routes, vertical posts, some overs and then this stop,
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Speaker 8: you know, so the ability for him to snap down,
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Speaker 8: get in the slot, be able to run some of
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Speaker 8: the choice routes, lookie routes, and then oh, by the way,
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Speaker 8: you can throw him a screen and he can go
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Speaker 8: do something with it. You know, our past game will
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Speaker 8: run through him. And super excited to get to work
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Speaker 8: with him.
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Speaker 1: I mean you have to be excited to get to
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Speaker 1: work with Brian Thomas Junior. Obviously, Liam Colin talking about
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Speaker 1: BTJ and what he's gonna be able to do with
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Speaker 1: him going forward. I'm excited to see his second season
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Speaker 1: as well, cause we saw him develop as the season
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Speaker 1: went along. Maybe that second half even with Mac Jones
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Speaker 1: at quarterback when he was able to do. Second year
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Speaker 1: is gonna be fun. Well, working with Trevor Lawrence consistently,
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Speaker 1: it would be fun. I mean, if you look back
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Speaker 1: at Trevor, he is good at throwing the deep ball,
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Speaker 1: and we saw a few of those shots with Brian
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Speaker 1: last year, the one in particular against the Patriots at Wembley.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: W When you consider what Brian was able to do
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Speaker 3: with Mac, who does not have the deep ball accuracy
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Speaker 3: or even the deep bowl arm that Trevor does, it's
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Speaker 3: easy to get excited.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: And then there was the play against the Colts here
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Speaker 5: when he basically showed everybody how he can separate and
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Speaker 5: uh hit that second gear clearly at as Liam said,
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Speaker 5: the offense.
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Speaker 6: Will run through him.
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Speaker 5: Uh, they have a potential franchise quarterback and a franchise
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Speaker 5: wide receiver to work with.
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Speaker 6: Uh. That's a good start.
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Speaker 1: Alright, We're gonna do a little dis or that right now.
16:58
Speaker 1: And we're gonna go through some position groups and do
17:01
Speaker 1: this or that with draft or free agency. So we're
17:04
Speaker 1: looking at wide receivers. Obviously BTJ is going to be
17:06
Speaker 1: your number one. You're going to run the offense through him.
17:09
Speaker 1: But who's going to be surrounded Who's going to be
17:11
Speaker 1: surrounding him? There's questions about whether Christian Kirk will be
17:13
Speaker 1: here or not. Are you going to look at maybe
17:16
Speaker 1: possibly drafting someone Brian. If you're looking at the wide
17:18
Speaker 1: receiver groups, where do you want to see additions there.
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Speaker 6: Or none at all?
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Speaker 3: Well, not knowing what's going to happen with Christian. Even
17:24
Speaker 3: at Evan Ingram, who I know he's a tight end,
17:26
Speaker 3: but let's be honest, he's a receiver. He had one
17:28
Speaker 3: hundred and fourteen receptions in twenty twenty three draft right
17:31
Speaker 3: there are because of the way the college football plays now,
17:35
Speaker 3: there are receivers throughout the draft, whether you're talking about
17:39
Speaker 3: a star at the top of the first round or
17:41
Speaker 3: you know, finding a good player somewhere in the middle round.
17:45
Speaker 3: You've got a lot of money tied up in Christian
17:46
Speaker 3: Kirk and if he's going to be here draft draft.
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Speaker 5: Draft, Yeah, I hope both Christian and Evan are here.
17:54
Speaker 5: For the purposes of this question, let's assume they're not,
17:57
Speaker 5: because you have to have some sort of parameters. I
17:59
Speaker 5: to answer the quest question, I think if they're not,
18:02
Speaker 5: then I think you could see an element of both
18:05
Speaker 5: a receiver, meaning either a relatively high profile free agent
18:11
Speaker 5: lower receiver or vice versa. If I had to lean,
18:15
Speaker 5: I would say probably a mid tier receiver who they
18:19
Speaker 5: feel like can get can fill a role, and then
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Speaker 5: maybe draft the position in the first three rounds ish,
18:28
Speaker 5: because I think coming from the Rams, I think there's
18:32
Speaker 5: probably a belief with these guys we can get Cooper
18:36
Speaker 5: cup ish player. They've had success in later rounds. So
18:41
Speaker 5: my guess is, without talking to them specifically, that they
18:45
Speaker 5: feel like receiver can be acquired in that range.
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Speaker 3: Receivers become a premium position and as such they are expensive,
18:52
Speaker 3: which is why I would lean into the draft on
18:55
Speaker 3: that one.
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Speaker 1: A lot of these options can be expensive. We've talked
18:57
Speaker 1: a ton about the lines on both sides. The trenches
19:00
Speaker 1: need to get better. When you're looking at offensive line
19:02
Speaker 1: and defensive line. That could be a focus at five
19:05
Speaker 1: in the first round. For we don't know exactly where
19:07
Speaker 1: they're going to go with that yet, but you need
19:09
Speaker 1: depth on both of those positions. I think it's fair
19:12
Speaker 1: to say. So, is this a combination of both or
19:14
Speaker 1: do you think it just has to be draft?
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Speaker 3: Well, listen, it's a really good draft for defensive tackles,
19:19
Speaker 3: and not just at the top of the draft. There
19:21
Speaker 3: are good tackle options, you know, into the second and
19:23
Speaker 3: even the third round from what I'm hearing. So I
19:26
Speaker 3: would lean on the defensive side too. Young, You've got
19:28
Speaker 3: a couple of young guys that you want to develop already,
19:31
Speaker 3: and you know you still have Devon Hamilton here draft
19:34
Speaker 3: there offensive line, I would look for some veteran presence. Now,
19:38
Speaker 3: keep in mind the Jaguars drafted Brandon Linder in the
19:41
Speaker 3: third round and he was an eight year starter here
19:43
Speaker 3: and a really good player. You can find those guys
19:46
Speaker 3: in the middle rounds if you do your due diligence.
19:49
Speaker 3: But you're probably going to want to find a couple
19:51
Speaker 3: of those guys in free agency as well. And guards
19:54
Speaker 3: are not necessarily as expensive, so you can do some
19:57
Speaker 3: work there in free agency.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Unfortunately, only if you're gonna get great top of
20:02
Speaker 5: the market guy.
20:03
Speaker 6: They're all expensive, But do you need that.
20:06
Speaker 3: I mean, you want that, but do you need to
20:07
Speaker 3: go pay the top of the market. Do you need
20:09
Speaker 3: aj Can kind of guy who is a moderate price player.
20:12
Speaker 6: Yeah.
20:13
Speaker 5: I think on the interior of the line, they need
20:15
Speaker 5: somebody to come in and be a presence and be
20:18
Speaker 5: I think what.
20:19
Speaker 6: They hoped that Sheriff would be.
20:21
Speaker 5: Scheff was a decent player here past his prime, I think,
20:25
Speaker 5: but a solid play for three years, but didn't necessarily
20:29
Speaker 5: dominate the middle personality wise, didn't dominate locker room. I
20:33
Speaker 5: think you'd like to find that in free agency, so
20:35
Speaker 5: you have some immediate presence. Defensive line feels like, you know,
20:42
Speaker 5: everybody's Maulk and Mason Graham.
20:43
Speaker 6: It feels like that has a good chance to be
20:45
Speaker 6: the pick.
20:46
Speaker 5: Interesting, you wonder how long term they're going to develop
20:50
Speaker 5: the tackle position. I don't know that they go a
20:53
Speaker 5: premium there. At some point.
20:56
Speaker 6: You wonder how they're going to build that long term,
20:58
Speaker 6: but that's to be played out.
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Speaker 4: Things.
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Speaker 3: You look at the best tackles at the top of
21:01
Speaker 3: this draft and everyone's questioning whether they belong inside a
21:04
Speaker 3: guard or not, whether they're tall enough or have the
21:05
Speaker 3: length to play there.
21:06
Speaker 4: This is not a good draft.
21:07
Speaker 3: For tackles, but it is a good draft for interior
21:09
Speaker 3: off fancy alignement, which.
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Speaker 6: Is what we need.
21:11
Speaker 4: So perhaps that's the pick.
21:12
Speaker 6: Not that all right.
21:14
Speaker 1: A final position in group we're gonna go with is
21:16
Speaker 1: defensive back, safety and corner. Obviously, corner depth was an
21:19
Speaker 1: issue this year. Safety Andre Cisco's becoming a free agency,
21:22
Speaker 1: so there might be an opening there if they don't
21:23
Speaker 1: resign him. Do you think this is a free agency
21:26
Speaker 1: drafting situation? Where do you think they'll go with this?
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Speaker 6: John, Yes, all the things. Yeah, because they've got I mean,
21:32
Speaker 6: they have a lot of work to do. I mean it's.
21:35
Speaker 5: You could see potentially, I Jerion Jones and Tyson Campbell
21:40
Speaker 5: are the guys that I know out of a group
21:43
Speaker 5: that was there last.
21:44
Speaker 6: Year, will be on the field.
21:45
Speaker 5: I think some of the other guys will compete and
21:48
Speaker 5: maybe one of them will be in it.
21:51
Speaker 6: But I think they've got a lot of work to do, so.
21:54
Speaker 5: A second, third round, one first tearish guy in free agency.
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Speaker 5: It's I'm not trying to avoid the question, but I
22:03
Speaker 5: think when you've got corner depth, corner meaning fourth maybe
22:08
Speaker 5: two safeties, I don't quite know how to say where
22:12
Speaker 5: they'll go with what I think they may let the
22:14
Speaker 5: draft come to him and free agency come to him
22:16
Speaker 5: because it's sort of you have to throw some resources here.
22:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, listen, we don't know if the Jaggers are
22:22
Speaker 3: going to stay five. They might get an offer and
22:24
Speaker 3: they could move back if someone wants to come up
22:26
Speaker 3: and get a cornerback. You know, the Raiders are shitting
22:28
Speaker 3: at six. Maybe this is a spot where the Jags
22:30
Speaker 3: can move back, and there are some first round safeties,
22:32
Speaker 3: some elite level guys. I would like the Cisco of
22:36
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three back the guy
22:39
Speaker 3: who played here last year. I mean, listen, he had
22:42
Speaker 3: all the motivation in the world to go out and
22:43
Speaker 3: have a big year because they didn't pay him and
22:45
Speaker 3: he didn't do it. So I fully expect them to
22:48
Speaker 3: let him walk, which means they're going to have to
22:50
Speaker 3: go find a guy.
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Speaker 1: There are some options in free agencies, so I'm sure
22:53
Speaker 1: they'll dabble in that a little bit. And we'll talk
22:55
Speaker 1: a little bit more next week about who they might
22:56
Speaker 1: be targeting, specifically, say with us and Jagszam coming up
22:59
Speaker 1: after the break, we'll talk a little bit about what's
23:01
Speaker 1: going on the runs the week Jack xam brought to
23:10
Speaker 1: me by Prush from Florida. It's always in season.
23:15
Speaker 8: The development of Baker will be different than Trevor. It
23:19
Speaker 8: just will be because of the different type of player.
23:22
Speaker 8: But you see a lot of the same in tangibles
23:25
Speaker 8: in terms of the work ethic, the want to he
23:28
Speaker 8: wants to be great, he wants to be coach hard,
23:30
Speaker 8: and the process like, how do we get him on
23:33
Speaker 8: a schedule, a process every single day that he can
23:37
Speaker 8: follow to get him to the point that he feels
23:39
Speaker 8: like he's playing at a higher level.
23:42
Speaker 1: And con talking a little bit about what it was
23:44
Speaker 1: like working with Baker Mayfield, but how it's going to
23:46
Speaker 1: be different working with Tyber Lawrence, and you know they
23:48
Speaker 1: want to get in the building kind of go over
23:49
Speaker 1: the xs and o's. There are some limitations to that,
23:51
Speaker 1: John with when they can meet, we'll see this probably
23:54
Speaker 1: hit the ground a little bit more in April.
23:56
Speaker 5: Yeah, they can talk minimally because you're allowed to talk
24:02
Speaker 5: to human beings. But in terms of any sort of
24:06
Speaker 5: football real game planning meeting, anything like that, that starts
24:11
Speaker 5: up when the off season program, and that's plenty of time.
24:14
Speaker 5: I mean, that's but that'll be when the fun starts.
24:18
Speaker 6: You know.
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Speaker 3: One of the reasons why Baker Mayfield was able to
24:21
Speaker 3: take that big jump last year was because the Buccaneers
24:24
Speaker 3: running game went from bottom five to top five, right,
24:27
Speaker 3: So we were talking about offensive line and getting that right,
24:29
Speaker 3: getting the running game going, and they proved it last
24:33
Speaker 3: year in Tampaly. Improved what he can do. I'm gonna
24:35
Speaker 3: be really interested in that. I know we talked about
24:37
Speaker 3: Brian Thomas and wide receivers and you know that's the
24:39
Speaker 3: sexy talk in the NFL these days, but that ground
24:42
Speaker 3: game is going to be really important for the coach
24:44
Speaker 3: to get the quarterback where he wants to.
24:45
Speaker 1: Be and being able to rely on that consistently in
24:48
Speaker 1: every game will be.
24:48
Speaker 4: Here, which we have not had around here in a while.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Gladstone at the combine didn't reveal everything they're going
24:54
Speaker 5: to do, obviously because you don't, but he did sort
24:57
Speaker 5: of open the hand a little bit when asked about
25:00
Speaker 5: the roster. He said, you know, the guys in the
25:03
Speaker 5: trenches I'm paraphrasing, and guys who can score, So you know,
25:08
Speaker 5: sort of keep that in mind when trying to figure
25:10
Speaker 5: out free agency in the.
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Speaker 1: Draft, free agency begins on Monday. Things open up, they
25:15
Speaker 1: can start talking. We'll announce things on Wednesday, and on
25:17
Speaker 1: Tuesday we'll be in here to talk to you about
25:19
Speaker 1: what we think the Jacks might do.
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Speaker 6: Enjoy your week,