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NFL vs NBA Draft Mindset, Burrow & Bengals Outlook, Bucs Steal & Mailbag · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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  Speaker 1: watching Victor wm bin Yama last night. It got me
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  Speaker 1: thinking about the draft and young players, so we'll dive
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  Speaker 1: into that. Joe Burrow had some comments, Jason light on
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  Speaker 1: how they landed or Ruben Bayin really fell into their
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  Speaker 1: the show. But Victor Wembiyama, you know, in basketball more
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  Speaker 1: than football, because in football all the time you have Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't follow I used to follow high school recruiting
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  Speaker 1: much more closely. I pay attention to it now when
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  Speaker 1: I'm watching college football and they say, oh, this guy
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  Speaker 1: was a five star, or it's like, hey, this guy's
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  Speaker 1: an All American. Now he was an under the under
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  Speaker 1: the radar three star, right, or this guy transferred, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza went to cal His other offer I think
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  Speaker 1: was to Harbor Yale. You know, I wouldn't say Ohio
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  Speaker 1: State and Alabama were beating down the door for services.
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  Speaker 1: Or in basketball, you hear about prospects like AJ Debonsa,
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  Speaker 1: Victor wembin Yama, Zion Williams, And I was watching Zion
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  Speaker 1: Williamson clips on was it Vine or definitely Instagram? He
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  Speaker 1: had highlight reels made when he was like fifteen, sixteen
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  Speaker 1: years old. So the hype on basketball players and mainly
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  Speaker 1: because they can be one and done and go right
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  Speaker 1: to the NBA and have success. Is a lot different
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  Speaker 1: than football. It's pretty rare in football where you go, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this guy probably doesn't need to stay in college. Like
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  Speaker 1: Jeremiah Smith after year one at Ohio State, he could
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  Speaker 1: have come out and been I don't know if he
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  Speaker 1: would have been a lock top five pick, but he
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  Speaker 1: would have gone in the top twenty. He was ready
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  Speaker 1: for the NFL immediately, right. Jeremiah Love a couple of
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  Speaker 1: years ago could have come into the NFL. I remember
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  Speaker 1: when I was at Fresno State. I got there Ryan
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  Speaker 1: Matthews true sophomore season, and physically he was every bit
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  Speaker 1: as big as every NFL running back besides like Marshawn
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  Speaker 1: Lynch and Adrian Peterson. Physically he was now. He actually
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  Speaker 1: got injured a lot, which was ironic because he looked
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  Speaker 1: like a Greek god. But his look didn't change in
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  Speaker 1: the two years I was around him, and then when
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  Speaker 1: he got drafted in the top fifteen to replace Ledanian Tomlinson.
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  Speaker 1: Some guys are built ready to roll. Jadeveon Clowney, we're
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  Speaker 1: in basketball, It's like this guy's ready to go. You know,
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  Speaker 1: some guys are late bloomers. Not everyone is on the
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  Speaker 1: same path when it comes to a draft class, but
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  Speaker 1: regardless how great your talent is. And Victor Wembin Yama,
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  Speaker 1: I do think it's safe to say is one of
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  Speaker 1: the most unique prospects and young players the NBA has
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  Speaker 1: ever seen. He's like ten feet tall, he can dunk
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  Speaker 1: without jumping, he can shoot threes, not last night, but
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  Speaker 1: he's incredibly skilled. But the hard part about pro sports,
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  Speaker 1: especially when you get name recognition or you start having success,
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  Speaker 1: everyone comes gunning for you, and once you pass one level,
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  Speaker 1: you kind of just level up to the next, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to a more difficult path to where you're trying to go.
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  Speaker 1: And for him, it's like MVP candidate boom second round.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna take on OKC next round, and who knows,
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  Speaker 1: maybe we just win the championship this year. And they've
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  Speaker 1: been Minnesota Timberwolves, who are wired like a nineteen nineties
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  Speaker 1: NBA team. They got a football mentality, you know. Anthony
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  Speaker 1: Edwards once famously said his favorite sport is football, that
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  Speaker 1: they are a physical ragtag, like they want to get
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  Speaker 1: into a boxing match on the basketball court. Even Rudio
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  Speaker 1: Berry's a sawt frenchman. I watch him. He's pretty damn good,
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  Speaker 1: you know, play for my team. I watched the last
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  Speaker 1: round against Jokis looked pretty good to me, and it
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  Speaker 1: was really really hard for Winbinyama. He was getting shoved around.
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  Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, this is gonna be easy, bro. Rightfully,
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  Speaker 1: so this shouldn't be easy. And football a lot like
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  Speaker 1: basketball is. Once you show up, especially when you're a
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  Speaker 1: high pick, everyone's gunning for you. And physically a lot
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  Speaker 1: of these guys are far superior than anything that they
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  Speaker 1: faced at the collegiate level. I've told this story before,
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  Speaker 1: but Marvin Harrison was a guy that dominated at Ohio
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  Speaker 1: State and it has been very, very difficult for him
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  Speaker 1: so far in the NFL. It's not because he lacks
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  Speaker 1: physical talent. It's not because he doesn't have the athleticism
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  Speaker 1: to run routes and get open at this level. It's
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  Speaker 1: like a mentality, and I remember a buddy of mine
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  Speaker 1: in the league said it could be a tough transition.
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  Speaker 1: He's not used to getting bodied on a weekly basis
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  Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage in that conference. How many
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  Speaker 1: NFL dbs does he face throughout the season in the
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  Speaker 1: Big ten Iowa had a couple in Michigan, but you're
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  Speaker 1: facing Rutgers, Maryland, Minnesota, not exactly rolling out Dion Sanders
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  Speaker 1: and Darrell Reeves in those units. So mentality wise, like,
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  Speaker 1: these guys are coming for your lunch, and as it
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  Speaker 1: was described to me, he's gonna face the dB every
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  Speaker 1: single week. The majority of them have been to Pro Bowls,
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  Speaker 1: living mansions, driver range rovers, have a couple kids. These
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  Speaker 1: are grown ass men who are bringing it and are
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  Speaker 1: making it a point to embarrass you. And that's part
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  Speaker 1: of pro sports, right, So these guys that get drafted,
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  Speaker 1: I like this class, the top end guys, especially the
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State guys. Right Sonny Styles, As you know, I
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  Speaker 1: text multiple people throughout the league that said he might
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  Speaker 1: be the best linebacker prospect I've ever seen. Now I'm
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  Speaker 1: not talking to guys sixty or seventy years old. I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking to guys in their late thirties and in their forties.
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  Speaker 1: So we're talking about Luke Keikley's, Rokwan Smith's other linebackers
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  Speaker 1: that were drafted really high. And their point is I'm
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  Speaker 1: not saying this guy is going to be better than
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  Speaker 1: those guys, but as a prospect coming out of college.
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  Speaker 1: He's superior and Sonny Style is gonna show up be
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  Speaker 1: the starting middle linebacker for the Washington Commanders immediately week one.
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  Speaker 1: What if they draw the Eagles. It's like you're getting
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  Speaker 1: an offensive line with multi one Hall of Famer, assuming
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  Speaker 1: Lane Johnson on the field, cup multiple other Pro Bowls
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  Speaker 1: right there on the line of scrimmage, a quarterback that
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  Speaker 1: can run, and a running back that, when he's healthy,
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  Speaker 1: is one of the most talented guys we've ever seen.
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  Speaker 1: And they're going to run it right at your ass.
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  Speaker 1: This ain't Iowa, this ain't the Sharon More Michigan group. That.
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  Speaker 1: This is a team that two years ago won the
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl and they're coming right for you. Can you
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  Speaker 1: shed the block? And that's what is So that's week one,
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  Speaker 1: and then as you start to figure it out, there's
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  Speaker 1: a transitional process. You get better and more confident because
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  Speaker 1: I don't care what you do. You know, I first
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  Speaker 1: just got into football. Some of you guys get into finance,
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  Speaker 1: some of you guys get into the restaurant industry. Some
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  Speaker 1: of you guys get into construction. Obviously, these guys are
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  Speaker 1: all public figures. But regardless when you first get a
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  Speaker 1: job in your early twenties, the expectation there is some grace.
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  Speaker 1: There is a little bit of a period where it's like,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna let you figure some things out. We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: hold your hand a little bit. Our expectations for you
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  Speaker 1: aren't gonna be that high. Hell will even maybe give
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  Speaker 1: you a year. Most young professionals aren't held to the
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  Speaker 1: same standard as the veterans in their company, no different
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  Speaker 1: than Sonny Styles won't be held to the same standard
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  Speaker 1: as he'll be held to in a couple of years.
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  Speaker 1: Ruben Bain gets an easier rookie year, then Max Crosby
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  Speaker 1: will be judged this year. Right, the expectations are different,
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  Speaker 1: but after a while, the expectations rise. Jeremiah Love, there
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  Speaker 1: is no disputing if he was an NBA prospect like
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  Speaker 1: he's been an elite prospect for a long time, and
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  Speaker 1: if he didn't play running back, he played wide receiver,
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  Speaker 1: he played left tackle, he played quarterback, might have been
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  Speaker 1: the number one pick in the day. If you play
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  Speaker 1: quarterback like Jeremiah Love, that his position is better than
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  Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza at his position. He's better than David Bailey
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  Speaker 1: at his position. He plays running back, so he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: go one or two. But if he played their positions,
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  Speaker 1: especially quarterback, he would have been the number one overall pick.
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  Speaker 1: But two years ago he played on You know, I
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  Speaker 1: was gonna say the second best team in the country.
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  Speaker 1: Got pretty lucky that Drew Aller threw it right to
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  Speaker 1: his dB with the game kind of in hand. But
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  Speaker 1: obviously one of the better teams in the country two
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  Speaker 1: years ago. Last year, Notre Dame obviously was really good
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  Speaker 1: as well, right, I know that they lost their two
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  Speaker 1: meaningful games, which ended up keeping him out of the
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  Speaker 1: playoffs because you couldn't keep Miami out. And Miami obviously
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  Speaker 1: earned that bid by making a run to the National championship.
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  Speaker 1: But they went ten to two, and it was a disaster, right,
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  Speaker 1: getting left out of the playoffs. They quit the bowl game.
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  Speaker 1: But that's what he's used to. I mean, most of
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  Speaker 1: these guys when you look high in the draft. David
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  Speaker 1: Bailey transferred to Texas Tech and they were immediately in
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  Speaker 1: the playoffs, and if their quarterback wasn't me or you
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  Speaker 1: that they could have beat Oregon. That defense was elite.
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  Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza transfers torom Cow hasn't lost the game. Last
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  Speaker 1: sixteen games he played, he won them all. So all
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  Speaker 1: these guys like you could have a shitty season. Ohio
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  Speaker 1: State had a down year because they weren't in the finals,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because they lost the Big Ten championship game
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  Speaker 1: in a gut wrenching loss to Indiana. They still had
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  Speaker 1: to buy in the first round. That shows you, like
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  Speaker 1: the expectation for a lot of these guys. The guys
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  Speaker 1: are used to winning. Caleb Downs is like, uh, I'm
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  Speaker 1: leaving Alabama to go to Ohio State. So you get
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  Speaker 1: to the NFL, it's really really hard. Like I said
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  Speaker 1: Sony Styles first week, or maybe it's Hey, you're playing
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  Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys and you're getting a bunch of offensive linemen,
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  Speaker 1: they were all drafted in the first round. You're getting
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  Speaker 1: a sixty million dollar quarterback, You're getting Dak and George
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  Speaker 1: Pickens running rounts behind it, and you got to cover
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  Speaker 1: Ferguson News probably one of the more underrated players in
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  Speaker 1: the league. And if Javonte Williams looked like he did
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  Speaker 1: last year, he's coming at your ass with his shoulders lowered,
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  Speaker 1: and it just you just gotta match because there's no
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  Speaker 1: disputing what you earned to be drafted that high based
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  Speaker 1: on your talent in college and your potential moving forward.
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  Speaker 1: And then this training camp starts and the season starts,
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  Speaker 1: and you just got to produce and you gotta play
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  Speaker 1: well and you got to improve. You know, Victor Wembinyama,
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  Speaker 1: as this series goes on, like listen, there's only so
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  Speaker 1: much he can do from a strength standpoint against some
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  Speaker 1: of these guys, but he's just got to match their mentality.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's all that you want out of
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  Speaker 1: a rookie class. And then as you get older. Bo
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  Speaker 1: Nick's a good example, was drafted really high. Sean Payton.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to say attached his career to the guy,
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  Speaker 1: because he has enough equity. If it had gone bad,
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  Speaker 1: they probably would have let him pivot and sign someone else.
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  Speaker 1: But he's clearly at least has been all in on
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  Speaker 1: the kid. And it's been a little up and down.
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  Speaker 1: There's there's definitely been flashes, there's been games, there's been
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  Speaker 1: clutch moments, But once we start talking, it's like, are
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  Speaker 1: we gonna get this guy a couple hundred million dollars?
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  Speaker 1: We need to see more? Can we win the Super Bowl?
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  Speaker 1: With you because we have a Super Bowl roster, we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna need you to play well, and so the expectations
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  Speaker 1: he's a good example coming into this season couldn't be
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  Speaker 1: any higher. Caleb Williams expectations now that his team is
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  Speaker 1: viewed as good, that his coach is viewed as a star,
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  Speaker 1: are going to be Can you be a top three
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  Speaker 1: or four MVP candidate. You don't need to win the MVP,
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  Speaker 1: but can you be a top five or six quarterback
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  Speaker 1: this year? Because we know you could make the spectacular plays,
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  Speaker 1: We know you have the physical talent to play at
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  Speaker 1: this level, we know you have the clutch gene, But
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  Speaker 1: can you have consistent games where we just don't have
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  Speaker 1: to get into these clutch situations because we're up twenty points,
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  Speaker 1: because you've thrown four touchdowns, because your first, second and
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  Speaker 1: third quarters were awesome and you didn't need to do
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  Speaker 1: that much in the fourth quarter. And that, to me
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  Speaker 1: is what's so cool about sports is that there's just
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  Speaker 1: no hiding and after a while, it's like you just
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  Speaker 1: got to figure it out. And a lot of it,
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  Speaker 1: you know, is not physically right, because a lot of
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  Speaker 1: these guys, especially that are draft did really high have
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  Speaker 1: all the physical talent, like Zion Williams in basketball, didn't
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  Speaker 1: fail because he lacked the physical attributes, he didn't have
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  Speaker 1: the ideal height, but he failed because he clearly didn't
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  Speaker 1: work hard. He fucked around, he wasn't focused, couldn't put
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  Speaker 1: down the food, which a lot of us struggle with.
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  Speaker 1: But if you're going to be an NBA player, I
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  Speaker 1: bet if we ask Lebron about his diet over the
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  Speaker 1: course of the last fifteen years, or Steph Curry or
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  Speaker 1: some of these guys, it's probably blow you away how
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  Speaker 1: disciplined they are with food. Now, they can get by
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  Speaker 1: with a little more sugar because of the calories in
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  Speaker 1: which they burn. But you got to take that very
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  Speaker 1: very seriously. You know, when we talk about being a pro,
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  Speaker 1: it's not just about like are you on time, are
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  Speaker 1: you at practice a little early? It's how you do
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  Speaker 1: things when no one's looking right, because a lot of
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  Speaker 1: your life isn't just going to be sitting in a
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  Speaker 1: meeting or the practice field. Half the year you're at home.
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  Speaker 1: They don't even need to come to some of these
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  Speaker 1: offseason and activities because they're all voluntary. It's literally legally
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  Speaker 1: not mandated by your business that you have to show up.
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  Speaker 1: It's why there's nothing the Browns can do when Miles
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  Speaker 1: Garrett doesn't show up. It's why over the last couple
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  Speaker 1: of years, Lamar didn't show up and he technically wasn't
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  Speaker 1: doing anything wrong. You know, what, is it ideal if
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  Speaker 1: they're not there? Of course not. But if he wants
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  Speaker 1: to train on his own, he can train on his own.
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  Speaker 1: But if you are going to do that by expectations
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  Speaker 1: for you in terms of the way you're treating your body,
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  Speaker 1: the rehabilitation, you're going above and beyond. And that is
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  Speaker 1: what defines all these guys now in football different than basketball.
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  Speaker 1: Victor wimbin Yama, if he's such a great individual, even
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  Speaker 1: if his team wasn't as good, can carry them to
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  Speaker 1: heights as an individual that you can't do in football.
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  Speaker 1: Like in football, you need to help Jeremiah Love in
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  Speaker 1: a couple of years could be the best running back
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  Speaker 1: in the league. If his franchise sucks, if his coordinator sucks,
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  Speaker 1: if his offensive line isn't good and they don't have
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  Speaker 1: a quarterback, he can only do so much. Like did
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: Saquan just learn how to play football when he got
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  Speaker 1: to Philadelphia, of course not right. He had issues beside
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  Speaker 1: the injuries because their offensive line wasn't good. Daniel Jones struggled.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't have explosive playmakers on the outside. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of stuff's out of your control. No different sunny styles
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  Speaker 1: who I can't wait to watch play football? How good
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  Speaker 1: is the defensive line? Who's his defensive coordinator? You know?
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  Speaker 1: Is his offense good? Are they always up in games?
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  Speaker 1: Are they down in games? Are we you know, defending
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  Speaker 1: the pass in the second half? Are they just running
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  Speaker 1: it down my throat? These are all things. You know,
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  Speaker 1: into Ohio State most of their games they're dominating, right,
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  Speaker 1: they have a huge advantage. That's not how the NFL is.
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  Speaker 1: I think, like I remember the stat several years ago.
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  Speaker 1: It might have changed a little bit, but I think
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  Speaker 1: eighty plus percent of games are within one score going
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  Speaker 1: into the fourth quarter. So it's why at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the season, you know, the NFL, it's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: what do they need to do about tank? You know,
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  Speaker 1: because the NBA that became such a talking point. I
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  Speaker 1: don't like the word narrative because it was true. I
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  Speaker 1: mean it was it was a factual. Third of the
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  Speaker 1: league is literally not trying to win games in football,
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  Speaker 1: maybe your last game, maybe the last two games, like
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  Speaker 1: the Raiders with Max Crosby, but he need knee surgery.
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  Speaker 1: So like they didn't let Max Crosby play because he
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  Speaker 1: needed knee surgery. Now could he have played the last
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  Speaker 1: couple of games they were in a playoff run, of course,
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  Speaker 1: but he still would have needed knee surgery. Right, So
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  Speaker 1: to me, it's you know what the Eagles did several
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  Speaker 1: years ago when they benched a quarterback at halftime. That
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  Speaker 1: was Week seventeen, you know, and it's not their problem.
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  Speaker 1: What you're doing in the NFL. Tanking is not really
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  Speaker 1: an issue. I've said it forever. It's why we have
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  Speaker 1: so many games late in the season. It's like, Wow,
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  Speaker 1: this Monday night football game is the Rams against the Falcons.
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  Speaker 1: That game sucks. I wish the Rams were playing a
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  Speaker 1: playoff team. All of a sudden, you look up and
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  Speaker 1: the Rams lose, and Bijeon goes for a buck eighty.
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  Speaker 1: Because in football you have to try. You can't just
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: you know, in basketball or in baseball, you gotta go
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: through the motions. I would imagine if you talk to
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: a major league baseball player, there are some days there
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: in the outfield and they're just like, I'm not really
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: paying attention. I got no focus. I'm exhausted, and maybe
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: I went out a little hard the night before. It's
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: a day game. The next day, I do not have
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: my AG game. You know. In basketball, I mean, hell
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: you just the regular season has never been worse. That's
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: the worst regular season. The NBA playoffs Like if you
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: watch Minnesota against San Antonio or that Philly Boston game seven,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: it doesn't resemble anything, not that I watch much regular season,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: but it's just because it's become a terrible product and
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: the playoffs become completely different football. It's just you don't
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: have any average to below average quarterbacks often in the playoffs,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: so you're just gonna face two guys that are usually
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: highly paid, really good players, or a young up and
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: coming star. But I don't know if the game is
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: that much different, right, there's more Every play matters a
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: little bit more because there's no it's a one and
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: done scenario, like a playoff game feels like a big
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Sunday night game against the Ravens and the Bills, or
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: the Cowboys and the Eagles, or the Rams in Seattle,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: like that Rams Seattle. Those Thursday night you know showdown
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: toward the end of the season felt like a fucking
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: playoff game, right because in football a lot of games
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: feel like a playoff game because they all kind of matter.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: And these football players under the microscope, especially these young rookies,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: is just I mean to me, one of my favorite
• 18:32
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• 18:35
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  Speaker 1: New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia. Speaking of veteran players, Joe Burrow,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: who I think the Bengals need a little bit apology
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: would probably be too strong, but they get lumped in
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: as being like this clown organization that spends no money,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: that just doesn't know what they're doing. I think the
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: last couple of years they've done everything possible to put
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Joe Burrow in a good position except one thing. And
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: speaking of that, I think Joe Burrow, I don't know.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't call him Lebron because Lebron, through Rich Paul,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: would kind of indirectly make it public, like let everyone
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: know what he wanted. I don't know if Joe really
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: does that, but he clearly does, which I respect directly
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: with them and by all accounts. And this is why
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: it came out when they traded for Dexter Lawrence. It's
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: like signals have been shown. We better figure this out
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: or we're gonna have a problem. And Joe, who with
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson a couple by you Tigers. We're at the
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: met Gala, an event that not only will I never
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: get invited to, I don't think you could pay me
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: to attend. He said this I'm really excited about the
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: moves we made this offseason. We need to get better,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: so it was exciting to see the initiative from every
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: everybody in the organization to realize that we're in a
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: very exciting stage. We're in the prime of our We're
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: in our primes playing great football. Finding guys like Dexter
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: and Brian Cook and boy A that'd be boy A
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Mafe to you know, really solidify the defense so the
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: young guys can also rise up. We're really going to
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: try to achieve what we want to achieve. I think
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: he's right because the Bengals front office should be commended.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I think they've had one I think you could argue
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: that Burrow forced their hands on t Higgins where it's
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: like I think most front offices would have thought twice
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: about doing that deal, but the way they financially structured
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: it wasn't crazy. But he wanted him there. They kept
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: him with Jamar. I think he could have allocated other ways,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: but that's what he wanted, so that's what he got.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: And I think over the course of the last eighteen
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: months they've done a lot for the defense. We can
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: argue over the Shamar Stewart pick, but they invested in
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: a freak athlete in the top twenty to rush the passer.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: And then they doubled down this year with their first
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: pick because they traded for Dexter Lawrence on Cashus Howell,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: who played at tex A and m as Well. I
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: think is a much better player than Shamar Stewart, but
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: physically is a little different. He has really short arms.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: But so they've invested two really high picks in pass
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: rushers to go along with Dexter Lawrence, an all Pro.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: They've given him everything he needs on offense. I had
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: a buddy tell me this, who's a pro scout said, listen,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Joe burrow is. When he's on, he's as good as
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: it gets. I mean, when he's on, he looks like
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: a probably a little stronger Joe Montana. I mean he's
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: I think he's played one of the best games I've
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: ever seen two years ago against the forty nine ers.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: It was basically a perfect football game. It was one
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: of those you would have seen like the mid twenty
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: tens with Aaron Rodgers. It's like, this is perfection. But
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: their defense was a joke. And now they've added a
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: bunch of defensive players. I think all the pressure this year,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: assuming these guys stay healthy, which is always a big
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: if in football, is on the coaching staff. And the
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: one question you would have is could they have got
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: a better coach? Like could they have been in the
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: business last year when Ben Johnson was available, fired Zach
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Taylor and hired Ben Johnson. It's like, yeah, you could
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: probably nitpick that. People say that about should Jason light
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: and the Glazer family have fired Todd Bowles to keep
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Liam Cohen. I think that's easier said than done. But
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: they're all in, and when a team is ever all in,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: much easier to fire the coaches and the players. And
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Zach Taylor's clearly been on thin ice a little bit
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: in general, and now I think the pressure on him
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: his defensive staff. Right, they fired the defensive coordinator a
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: couple of years ago, was now in Indie and they
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: bring it out Golden who'd been there before, coming from
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I want to say Penn State, but he was a
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Notre Dame. I guess he was. He a Penn State.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: I get confused. He was actually the Temple head coach
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: when I lived in Philly. I think he's a pretty
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: good coach, but like no one's gonna want to hear
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: we didn't have enough because this they've I've been saying
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: this before the draft. Now that you add cash is
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Howell to go with Dexter, Lawrence Mafey and some of
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: the other guys they already had that they're easily right
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: now might pick to win the to win the North. Uh.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: You look at Pittsburgh a lot of question marks aging defense.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, this Rogers situation is the ongoing, never ending
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: saga that just God damn, no one wants to talk
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: about this anymore. And I mean last year we saw
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy coach, didn't go great. Obviously, the Ravens have
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: a ton of question marks new coaching staff. They just
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: lost a bunch of talent that the Browns more than
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: likely are gonna start Deshaun Watson, which I think, if
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: he wanted to be optimistic, is Deshaun Watson and the
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Shanahan offense which Stefanski essentially runs, is not really a fit.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: When you look at Todd Munkin in what he has
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: done over the course of his career, it actually might
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: be a little bit better of a scheme fit for
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: his in theory a bilit So I'm not gonna say
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: that he's gonna resurrect his career, but I can see
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: them happening some moments, assuming he's fully healthy. Because he's
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people go back and forth like,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: is it unfair? How shit door not beating him Out's guys,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: they're paying him like sixty million dollars. They gave him
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty million dollars. He's he's been in the
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: NFL for way. He should have the advantage if he's healthy.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: But I think the Bengals all the pressures on their coach,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: and if you tell me that Zach Taylor is not
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: the coach in twenty twenty seven, the bro think you
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: then get weird. You know, It's funny. I I struggle
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: with patients. I've never been a very patient human. And
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: then you know, you the Internet and the scrolling and
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: how often your phone's in front of you definitely does
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: not help the probably the brain chemistry if you're an
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: impatient human. I actually just ordered some blue light glasses.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: I saw Rory talk about that. It's like, if I'm
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: gonna look at my screen and my phone and my computer,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: my iPad NonStop, and I gotta get ahead of this
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: to help just any chemistry that's left upstairs. But I've
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: really tried to work now, you know, with Jack and
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: just you give family. Sometimes you got to slow down.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: And I think patience in your personal life with your family,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: with your close friends, I think that translates really well
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: to business. Like I'm always pro being aggressive and putting
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: your nuts on the line and taking big swings in life,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: but you have to do it. You got to be
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: measured with it. You can't just do it constantly. That's
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: not a good approach to have. Right, If an opportunity
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: presents itself, sometimes you got to trade pick ten for
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: dextern Lawrence. That is a risk worth taking, but it's
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: a risk. And the reality is most things in life
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: are a risk. Getting married as a risk, taking a
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: job zone risk. Quitting a job's a risk, Having a
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: child's a risk, getting a mortgage's a risk. Welcome to life.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: And I think historically in the draft, we have seen
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: so many examples of a team going we never acpected
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: this guy to be here. We just we just waited.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: All of our projections, especially now with AI and these
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: different models and the technology these teams have. They have
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: a pretty good idea. Once you get past pick six
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: or seven, they can run different models and go there's
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: probably less than a ten percent chance this player is
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: ever gonna be there. So if you don't, if you
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: want that player, you're gonna have to have some things
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: lined up before the draft to go up and get
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: them or be cool with the next cluster of players.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: And I think that's how when you're a team draft
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: in fifteen eighteen. Obviously in the twenties, you kind of
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: set up the operation. You know, Brett Veach talked about
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: it when they got delayed, is they kind of had
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: a pretty good idea who the first couple picks were
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: going to be. So they knew their cluster of guys,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: the couple guys they liked, whether it was Tate, whether
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: it was Reese and delaye of Once two of the
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: three of the cluster went up, they wanted to get
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: that guy. They desperately wanted defense. They had to go
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: up and get aggressive to make sure they got one
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: of their guys. But late in the draft, it's like
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: you never really know. And Daniel Jeremiahs told the story
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: when he was with the Ravens about Ed Reid. I
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: forget the player they wanted, but they were like getting
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: ready to trade up, and the trade got Nicks, and
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden they just took Ed Reed. That's
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: not the guy they wanted, And ten years later one
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: guy's a blaw Hall of Famer. I think the other
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: guy was out of the league. Happens all the time.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: There's a long list of those times or those situations
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: and examples being true. But sometimes life is about being
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: patient as much as it is about being aggressive. And
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: I think the draft's a good example of that. And
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: you look at Reuben Bain, anyone that watched college football regardless,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Like you don't need to be an NFL scout, You
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: didn't need to know as measurables. If you just watched
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: the games, you went, holy shit, who is that guy
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: coming off the edge from Miami. Really it was two
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: of them. Both of them went in the first round,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: both of them high. But Jason light told Pat McAfee
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: that all of our projections, everything that we had when
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: we left the combine going into free agency, not in
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: a million years did we imagine this happening. He's like
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: a lot of things were out of our control. If
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: you think about it, Max Crosby was traded to the Ravens.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: He said we were gonna try to sign Trey Hendrickson,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: and without saying it kind of made it sound like
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I think they thought they were gonna sign Trey Hendrickson. Well,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: then the Crosby trade gets nicked, obviously, the Ravens get
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: more aggressive with Trey. The Ravens then have Trey Hendrickson
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: lose their center to the Raiders for a ton of money.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: The Raiders, because they had so much cap space, don't
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: have to like nix that deal and they can just
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: keep all their free agents. So the Ravens add a
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: pass rusher for a lot of money and lose an
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: interior offensive line. So then when when ruben Bain falls
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: out of the top ten, I bet they're sitting there thinking, well,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: the Rams could easily take them, because all of a sudden,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: if you just rolled out young verse Fisk ruben Bain,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: who is blocking that unit of just constant rotation of
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: young stud pass rushers, and then all of a sudden,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: out of nowhere they take Ty Simpson. And then because
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: of the Max Crosby fiasco, the Ravens don't emphasize a
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: pass rusher. When you watch ruben Bain play, if you
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: ask me what type team does he remind you of.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: I would have been like raven Steelers matchup of like
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, back when it was like James Harrison
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: against Terrell Suggs, Hello Di Nada, Brett keesl like kind
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: of that group, you know, Lamar Woodley. That's just kind
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: of what he feels like in the heat of their rivalry.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: And like the late two thousands and early twenty tens
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: when it was a war zone before you want to
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: ever heard of CTE before these new rules, and it
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: felt like Mike Tyson fighting Mike Tyson. That's what ruben
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Baine felt like. He would have been right up the
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: alley of a Ravens type player. But clearly they're a
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: little more desperate for offensive line having just lost an
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: interior offensive lineman. And I know this guy's a guarden
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: not a center, but people think you can probably do both,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: and they take a guard and all of a sudden,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Ruben Babe's is sitting there at fifteen Like it just
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: shows you so many things are out of your control,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: whether you're drafting, whether you're dating, whether you're trying to
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: look for a new job, and sometimes it's hard. Like I,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: like I said, I can be impatient. I'm sure a
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: lot of you listening can be inpatient. Our society has
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: never been less patient. Sometimes patient pays. And Jason Light,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: who I think is easily considered one of the best
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: drafters in the NFL. We can nitpick Todd Bowles, right,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: but listen, I like Todd personally. I think there's a
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: lot of pressure for Todd to win. Jason Light is
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: not only on scholarship. He if he ever became available,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: there'd be ten teams lined up to hire him immediately.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: He's he's a star. And I'm not just saying that
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: because I know him. It's not like I know him
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: that well. But Jason Light's resume speaks for himself. When
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: it comes to drafting, and he just out there and
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: waited and got one of the best players in the draft,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: he'd be like, well, it's arm length. I think there
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: are sometimes now listen. Bill Parcell's famous thing was, you
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: start drafting exceptions, you start drafting outliers, you'll have a
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: team full of them. I don't think that's really what
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: they've done like Videvea, Mike Evans, Tristan Wurf's. You know,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: they got a lot of team, They got a lot
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: of guys, blue chip type guys. This is I think
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: somewhat of a unique opportunity to get a guy who
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: I can't see feeling. Someone asked me yesterday in the
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: mailbag who my favorite first round picks, and I said,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I think, I said Reese and and Caleb Downs. This
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: would be one of them because I think last year,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: just pound for pound as a football player, you could
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: make the argument, I know Fernando Mendez accomplished the most.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: I think. You know, it's hard because Jeremiah Loves season
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: was cut off after they didn't have a conference championship
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: game because they're not in one, they didn't make the playoffs.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: You could make the argument he was the best player
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: last year in college football. Ruben Bay and I'd be
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: stunned if at minimum he's not really good. There are
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: no guarantees in the draft, but I just I can't
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: see him failing now. Is he gonna be an all pro?
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but he definitely has the mentality and
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: what do we just talked about earlier sports, A lot
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: about mentality. After a while, it's like, how bad do
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: you want it? How mentally tough you are you? How
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: do you respond from getting your ass kicked back to
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: back weeks? How do you respond with getting benched week
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: four your rookie year? How do you respond with playing
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: through an injury that you've never had? And by all accounts,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: this guy is wired like a fucking badass. So props
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: the Bucks really quick. On the Packers. I saw Gudakin's
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: I think was on like Series XM after the draft.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: He said the hope in the expectation is to have
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Tucker Craft and Micah Parsons back. He didn't say week one,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: he said early in the season. I think when you
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: look at their roster, and I've always been a huge
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: proponent of this organization my entire life of watching sports,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: They've been good. They just never suck. Like when do
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: you ever get to April and be like, oh, the
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Packers of the fourth pick, Oh, the Packers of the
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: ninth pick. I think it's I didn't. I probably could
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: have done the research on this. But beside a j Hawk,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: which was was at six o seven, I mean, you're
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: talking twenty years. This team feels like consistently drafting twenty
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: or higher and a lot of times in the mid twenties,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: and in the Aaron Rodgers era a lot of times
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: like twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty nine. I know Packer
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: fans wish they would have made some more Super Bowls,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: but you guys win in the NFC Championship a lot.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: You know, got a lot of bites at the Apple.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: I do think when you look at this roster, there
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: are a lot of unknowns. They let a lot of
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: guys walk in free agency, they traded some players. This
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: is kind of a I don't want to say a
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: transitional time, but definitely more turnover than they've had in
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: recent memory, and they become somewhat of a top heavy team.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: It's like, well they just added Well they didn't add
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Ruben Bain or Messador or one of the good offensive
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: linemen that win the twenties, or Omar Cooper or any
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: of those guys because they didn't have a first round pick.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: That is Michaeh Parsons. Now, if Micup looked like he
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: did before he got injured, he was clearly a dominant,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: dominant force and they are going to need that to
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: continue They're gonna need him to be one of the
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: best players in the league, and they desperately need Tucker
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Craft back because you know, one is weird. You look
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: at the stats from last year. Their leading wide receiver
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: was Romeo Dobbs fifty five catches. You know Wicks, who
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: they just trade. The Eagles cut twenty nine balls, so
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: it's not like they had multiple guys eighty ninety catches
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: like they have in years past with the Jordan Nelson's,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Donald Drivers that you know, DeVante Adams. This is a
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: unit that they're gonna need to step up, and Tucker
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: is a huge part of that. I think there's a
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: ton of pressure on Matthew Golden. I think they need
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Matthew Golden to be I don't know, sixty five to
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: seventy five catch guy immediately next year and give him,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: you know, explosive speed with Watson down the field and
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: account for seven eight touchdowns. This is a team they're
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: gonna need some of their unproven guys to really pick
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: it up. And from a star power standpoint, Tucker Craft's
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: got to be one of the best tight ends in
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: the league. Michah Parsons has to be like a defensive
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: player of the Year type guy, which he has been
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: over the course of his career, but he's never come
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: back from an injury like this. It's a pretty big
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: thing for a guy whose game is all explosion, all
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: beating you with just warp speed off the edge. So
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: this is the first time in a long time where
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, this organizational kind of prestige that they've
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: always had, this organizational structure that is withstand or withstood
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: the test of decades, from Ron Wolf to Ted to Goot,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: to Mike Sherman to Mike Holmgren to Mike McCarthy. Now
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: it's on the floor. Goot Jordan love to kind of
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: keep this thing going because the Bears, I think some
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: people think they might come back to earth a little bit.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: I'm buying. You give me a coach that good, You
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: give me a quarterback who has that level of confidence
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: late in the game, if he just improves in the
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: middle of the game, they're gonna be excellent in The
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Lions just have too many impact players a key positions
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: that if they're playing, they're not gonna be a competitive team.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: So I think Minnesota's gonna fall off the off. Cliff
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: a little bit, But I think the Packers is a
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: major wild card. Like it's hard for me to imagine
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: them just sucking. But also you look at their roster
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: with some of the question marks, it's hard for me
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: to imagine them just win fourteen games. Like last year,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: I bet on them to make the super Bowl. It
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: actually felt pretty good about it until their whole team
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: started tearing acy else. But I have a lot more
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: questions at this time this year than I did at
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: this time last year at John Midcoff. At John Middcoff,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: is the instagram firing those dms questions answered here on
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: the show. Here's the thing the off season, my instagrams
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: are wide open, So fire in those dms. Get your
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: questions answered on the show again, dms wide open, fire
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: in talk with the people. We'll answer your questions here
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: and we'll be asked and have a good time going
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: into the twenty sixth season. What do you think the
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: best rivalries in the NFL are He kind of listed
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: some of his Bears, Packers, Niners, Rams, and Seahawks duke
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: it out in the NFC West. I would say currently
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: last year's Bears Packers was pretty special. Those are three
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: of the best games of the year. I think Rams
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Niners in so far on that Thursday night game, the
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Thursday night game Ram Seattle, I think you hit the
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: nail on the head with those games. I think the
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Cowboys Eagles has been pretty good, and I think there's
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: a lot of stakes. I just think, especially if the
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Cowboys are better this year, the Cowboys of Sneaky played
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: them really well. You know, they won the division a
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: couple times with McCarthy. Last year they beat him in
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: that comeback win. I think that's a pretty underrated rivalry.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: I think if the Patriots can maintain this, I think
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Bill's Pats could be pretty sick. If Harbaugh can resurrect
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: the Giants, I think Giants Cowboys and Giants Eagles can
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: be pretty you know, pretty special. I think the Ravens
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Steelers have lost a little luster, right, I mean they
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: just the Steelers just haven't been good enough, right. I
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: mean the Steelers, you know they're going nowhere. Those games
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: used to really resonate because it felt like they were
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl matchups. You know, a couple of years ago
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: they played in the playoffs and Baltimore won by double digits.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: It wasn't that close. So I think in theory that
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: game holds a steam from years back. But like things change,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: you know. I mean, part of it was Harbaugh and Tomlin.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: That was a huge part of the rivalry was those
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: two guys. Was it? Uh Jacoby I want to say,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: not Jacoby Brissette, not Jacoby Myers, Uh Jake some Jacoby
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: I think RP. I think he passed away when Mike
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Tomlin came on the field. I think there was just
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: something special about those games. It's not quite the same.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: I think Ravens Bills had a little more juice. That's
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: a pretty good game. I think, you know, the AFC
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: West games are pretty solid. But it's like, yeah, I
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: don't know. I'm trying to think of the best rivalries
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: in the AFC. Chiefs Bills. I mean, he's just a
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: fantastic game. When that game's on, feels really big. It's
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: not apples to apples, but it's taken on a little
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: you know, Patriot Colts, just when that game's on, it's
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: just gonna be the biggest game of the week. Jags Colts.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Just kidding. Question for the bag. I'm not getting the
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: assumption that Arch will be the number one pick. In
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: twenty seven. As soon as this year ended, I started
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: seeing an influx of mocks that all assumed Arch is
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: going to be the number one pick, in my opinion,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: over other guys who have done much more in their careers,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: like Chambliss and Dante Moore. It seemed to me like
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Arch was certainly suffering from poor offensive line play, but
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: he also had wildly inconsistent accuracy. He struggled against poor
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: competition and only had a few good games. Is his
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: position in these mock drafts all projection based on the
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: assumption he's gonna improve? And do you agree with him
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: being held in such high regards? I think you got
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: to look at this twofold He did improve. If you
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: put Arch Manning on the picture of your mock draft
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: on NFL dot com, on ESPN dot com, on a
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: tweet or an Instagram link, it's gonna get people to
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: click on it. If his name was Arch Middlecoff or
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Arch Johnson, not Manning, I don't think in a million
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: years we would be discussing him as the number one
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: overall pick. Now. I was probably a little too harsh
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: on him early in the season because I respect the
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: shit out of the family and by all accounts, mentally
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: he's pretty tough because he was getting the sh kicked
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: out of him. He was not playing good but and
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: maybe had an arm injury and he kind of battled
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: through and in that text A and M game, he
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: made some big plays with his legs like he was.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I'm excited to watch him, but based on last year,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: this notion that he's the number one pick to me
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: is one of the most insane things I've ever seen,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: and I've been in the internet business long enough. It's like,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: whenever someone tweets at me like you're just clickbait, like
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: I need you to listen to the podcast. So if
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: you I don't make any money from a social tweet
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: or a social clip, like that's not monetizing those They're
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: just for social awareness of anything. I'm not an influencer
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: on Instagram here, But in what world could you have
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: watched him last year without knowing that he's gonna dramatically
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: improve and think he's the number one overall pick. The
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: other thing is we have recent examples now Fernando Mendoza,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: who nobody at this time last year was discussing about
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: being a first round pick, let alone a number one
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: pick for a team. When do you think the Raiders
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: decide that Fernando Mendoza was their pick January? Like, he's
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: been the number one pick for probably four months. The
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: game that they attended in Miami with Brady spy Tech
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: and the rich dudes. I forget the owners the new owners' names,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: but I know they got a lot of cash. One
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: of the Moon's Discovery Properties and his partners with Cindy
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Crawford's husband. I would love to be a member of
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Discovery Properties. If the guy's listening, I would just hit
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: me up because we'd love to get involved. They look
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: really cool, but it's not really how quarterback play works,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: you know, in other positions. Jeremiah Smith, right, he's been
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: talked about as a top ten pick since he was
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: like eighteen years old, the offensive tackle from they just
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: transferred to LSU. To the five star guy from Colorado.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know where he's gonna go, but we've been
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: talking this guy as an NFL prospect for a long time.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: You know. Last year, think about some of the players
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: we've been talking about, Jerald my Love and Caleb Downs
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: for years. Cardinal Tate went a lot higher than we
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: thought but we've been talking about Cardinal Tait and Ohio
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: States wide receivers since all their guys have been getting drafted.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: So I just think sometimes with quarterbacks cam Ward, no
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: one was talking about him as the number one overall pick.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Then he transfers to Miami and becomes the number one
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: overall pick. Jane Daniels was viewed as like, I don't know,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: second third, fourth round pick. Then he has one of
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: the most incredible seasons of all time, wins the Heisman,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: puts up incredible stats, and gets drafted second overall. So
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: things change dramatically, and quarterback is more fickle than all
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: these other positions to me, Like, if you're viewed right
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: now in an NFL building, it's like, hey, we think
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: the guard, I'm just gonna pick a random player, some
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: guard at Oregon right now, the best guard I've seen
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: so far coming into this season, Like he's probably gonna
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: be a top thirty pick in one way or other.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Maybe if he if he if he peaks, he'll be
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: the eleventh pick. And if he has a down year,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: maybe he goes twenty eighth. Peter Woods, who the Chiefs
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: took in the late twenties, coming into the season, like
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: this guy could be a top ten pick, had a
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: down year, team was awful, got picked twenty ninth. Right,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: That's kind of how the quarterbacks. Garrett nus Smiler's gonna
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: be a top five pick, goes in the seventh round.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Drew Aller coming off that year, where where they were
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: in the final foward, if he doesn't fuck up, they're
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: in the championship. It's like, Drew Aller, he gets together
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: this year, Penn State wins the national championship, he could
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: be a first round pick. James Franklin gets fired, Drew
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Aller gets injured, he gets drafted in the third round.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: People think it's insane that he got drafted that high.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: So you just Carson Beck last year going into Miami,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: you would have been like the undrafted free agent gets
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: drafted in the second round, second round or first pick
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: of the third. I think first pick of the third,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, because he helped his
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: sock and in quarterbacks, to me, it's a lot like
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: the stock market, very up and down that you just
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: do not know. But there's no way right now unless
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: you're guessing and projecting, and the projection is he dramatically
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: improves one. I don't know if you know there was
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: rumors about some labrum shoulder issue. His throwing motion is weird.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: There is no way to dispute that. Like Eli had
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: a very natural, powerful arm, Peyton's was He famously said,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: I throw a wobbly duck. Peyton was elite precision inaccuracy. Right,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: I'm watching Arcs beside movement and running. What does he
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: do really well? Now? His team is going to be
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: stacked this year. They've bought offensive linemen, they bought the
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: wide receiver who's probably gonna go in the top ten,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: fifteen coleman from Auburn. So they are gonna have a
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: loaded fucking team. So that to me adds more pressure.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: It's like, okay, time to dominate. Still plays in the SEC,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: still playing a bunch of NFL guys. But there's no way,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: beside the name, you could say coming into the season,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: he's gonna go ahead of Dante Moore. I've seen Dante
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Moore do more in college, who also has some question marks.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: You could argue this class that is viewed very very highly, Right,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Dante Moore. We'll see what happens with Sores b Sellers.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: I think there's a guy Utsa's coach got the Oklahoma
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: State job. His quarterback came with him to Oklahoma State.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: I'm surely missing guys. I can't. I can't think of
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: all the quarterbacks. Oh, CJ. Carr from Notre Dame. There's
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: gonna be a ton of names. You still gotta play
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: well because at defensive line or corner or linebacker, you
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: could be this guy's probably like late first round pick
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: and have a bad year, still go in the second round.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: At quarterback. When you have a bad year, like you
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: can tumble tumble, Because most of these guys like a
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: bad character, quarterback typically is not that bad, so it's
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: really quarterback the focus is much more on the play
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: because I bet if we just Dante more car arch Sellers,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: my guess is they're all pretty good kids, good teammates,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: people like them. I'm just guessing I'm giving them the
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt because that's usually how it happens.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Most of these guys, I bet past the character test,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: so they're only judged on football, where a lot of
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: these other guys like elite talent, but god kind of
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: as comeback. That's usually not the case of quarterbacks, not
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: the good ones. Most of the good ones, good guys, right,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, look at the two quarterbacks won the first
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: round this year. Character and teammates like none of you
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: didn't hear the only thing we talked about Fernando Mendoz
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: and Ty Simpson on the field play it. So I
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: tend to agree with you. Now people change, and you know,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: it was his first year starting. The hype was unfair.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: It wasn't his fault. He didn't. As my wife tells me,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Jack didn't choose us. We created him, right, You don't
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: get to choose your parents, right, We just he is
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: easily could have been born into a home in Scottsdale.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: He could have been born, you know, in some other
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: country to some other random family. Might look a little different,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: but it's like he just he was born in that
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: family and obviously got the athletic gens right from his
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: brother or I mean not his brother, but his you know,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Peyton and Eli's brother was actually the best athlete of
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: the group in Cooper. He was a wide receiver. So
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: he's got the athletic jeans, but he's in theory, got
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: the quarterback skill set. I I see people talk so
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: confidently about this and just think, can we spint the breaks?
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Can we just watch them have a season? I would
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: say this, and again I hate picking on him because
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: it's not his fault. It's like people shit on Bronnie.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, he didn't. It's like this is out
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: of these guys control is that? Like he's got to
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: do it and everyone's gonna be watching them. Everyone was
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: watching them last year, but then they kind of were
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: out of it. Their season was weird and they just
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: kind of kind of stopped paying attention. The amount of
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: money they spent on that roster. It's like their expectation
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: is gonna be like OHU State or Miami. You know,
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be to fucking be deep into the playoffs.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: I mean last year, the year started and they played
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: when they played Ohio State. Now, looking back, like that
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: was a really tough defense to play. Trying to look
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: at their football schedule. Okay, they open up with with
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: the Kansasite Chiefs also known as Texas State, so no
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: expectation there, throw a couple of touchdowns, win the game
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: forty to seven, and just get out of there. Then
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: they play Ohio State and this is the home and home.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: So last year, you open up on the road against them,
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: turns out Kalem down Sunny Styles Reese like they were
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: fucking they were no joke. Now that was honestly we
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: might look back, Hey, first start against those guys on
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: the road. That's Peyton Manning would have struggled. I'll give
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: you a pass on that. This year, the expectations can
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: be a little bit different because they're gonna have a
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: lot of new guys starting on defense replacing those guys,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: and you're gonna have the experience in Austin. That's gonna
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: be the average ticket to get in that game. Right now,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: the low the get in price is four hundred and
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: fifty dollars where Texas state the openers one hundred bucks
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: go mean a lot of people in that thing. Then
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: they go utsa who has been good? I don't I
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: can't pretend to know their roster now. Initial just look
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: at these teams are playing like this is not gonna
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: be easy. At Tennessee, I think the biggest stadium in
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: the country or top two or three hundred and seven
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: thousand people, one hundred and twelve thousand people. Then they
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: get Oklahoma, which we know is one of the best
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: defenses in the country. Florida, who should be dramatically improved
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: with John Somemroll who by all accounts he inherited a
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: lot of good players. Playing Ole Miss that's gonna have
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of dudes returning and be really good. I mean,
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: that's we're not even to Halloween yet. And Archers played
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: Ohio State at Tennessee, Oklahoma, Florida, Ole Miss. That's a really,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: really tough stretch. Mississippi State not great. But then they
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: go to at Missouri, who has been a top twenty
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: five team, at LSU with Lane Kiffin, who's gonna have
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: playoff expectations. Arkansas is probably gonna suck next year. And
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: then at Texas A and M, who has one of
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: the best defensive coaches in the country. So they play
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: they play Oklahoma and TEXA and M, who are gonna
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: have two of the best defenses in the country. Ohio State,
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: who's probably gonna have one of the best defense in
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: the country. I would imagine between Florida and LSU, one
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: of those teams and Ole Miss is gonna be a
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: playoff team. I mean, this schedule is hard, which makes
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: it fun, I mean, makes it entertaining, but he's which
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: I respect. And this is Texas going to the SEC.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: You're not just playing Kansas State and Arizona. That's a mother.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: I know you're not the biggest fan of Stefanski, but
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: if you were Matt Ryan Shoes, was there any better
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: option available at head coach once Harbaugh went to the Giants?
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: Can I see this on stef I kind of treat
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: I'd rather have Kevin O'Connell than Stefanski. But I just
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: think everyone loves Stefanski, and it's like, Okay, I mean,
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: I he's solid, but he is very headstrong, and he
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: clearly doesn't adapt that well when it comes to his offense.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: And two he gets very I would say, tied to
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: a quarterback type, like once you take Dylan Gabriel, And
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: by all counts, Dylan Gabriel is a great guy, but
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: in the history of the draft, you can never take
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: that guy in the third round. For as crazy as
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: ty Simpson is, if if I said ty Simpson's one
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: of the craziest picks I've ever seen. We have seen
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Mac Jones go fifteen, We've seen Kenny Pick go twenty,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: but they were not going to a team as good
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: as the Rams. So part of it was the Rams
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: had to pick thirteenth pick. They could have taken incredible player.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: That factors in. I would say Ty Simpsons is physically
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: more gifted than those two guys just as a player.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: If I was ranking Ty Simpson, Kenny Pickett, Mac Jones,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: and Dylan Gabriel, I would have Ty Simpson one. I
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: would go Mac Jones. Two, I would go drop off
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: to Kenny Pickett, and then I would go Grand Canyon,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: drop off to Dylan Gabriel. But you can never convince
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: me they didn't draft Dylan Gabriel because Stefanski is a
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: pound on the table, because he likes players like that
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: in his offense, which is actually why I think the
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Falcons are gonna like Tua. I saw Matt Ryan say
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: that we feel that we're in good shape with our quarterbacks.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: Tua and Michael Pennix are his type. Quarterbacks, play action,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: dink and dunk, occasional deep shot, smart guys like know
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: the offense. They can't carry you. But Stefanski types, they
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: don't want quarterbacks that can carry you, and him and
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell a lot different. Kevin O'Connell wants to drop
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: back spread that shit out and throw bombs, which in
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: a weird way I respect, and I like sometimes you
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: need to run in certain situations. Stefanski's a fine iron.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: They couldn't have done much worse. The other thing I
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: had is how often do I hear Browns players and
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: I get they've lost a lot, this team's been weird.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: Just go we love this guy. I love Stefanski. Doesn't
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: feel like I don't know there's I just think something's
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: a little off. That's my whole point, not that he's bad.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: I just I think relative to the hype, I don't
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: necessarily see it. Lifelong Titans fan who foolishly is getting excited.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: I wanted to get your insight into a specific coach
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: player situation. What are your thoughts on the super talented
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: yet underachieving Keldric fulk with Bob Salah, given what you've
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: seen of sala before, what kind of expectations would be
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: fair for the Titans? You know, part of being a
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: great coach obviously anyone successful, and this simple reality of
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: life is once you start doing well financially, it probably
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: boosts a little bit of your ego and your self confidence.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: So coaches who are all multi millionaires are just naturally
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: gonna have a little bit of an ego and a
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: self belief because they're the guy at the top of
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: the food chain. But then once they are good at
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: their job, they're I don't know, I don't want to
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: say cocky, but they have this belief that they can
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: fix anybody. And if you're gonna have a guy in
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: the latter part of the first round, if I go, hey,
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: I can give you some overachieving player who tries hard
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: but might not have the physical characteristics to ever be
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: a high end player. Or I can give you a
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: guy that has the physical athletic profile to be a
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: pro Bowl guy, but a lot of question marks, effort,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: just production. I think one of the knocks on him
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: in the run game coaches Robertson thinks they can fix you.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: So part of his what he brings to the table
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: is let me get my hands on him. It's like
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: a great artist who works with clay. It's like, give
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: me a piece of clay. I'll make you some sweet Michaelangelo,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: give me a brush. Watch this well, if the material sucks,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: if the paint stole, maybe it's not gonna work. You know,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna paint the Sistine Chapel every single day.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: And I think this gets coaches burned a lot, which
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: I respect some coaches. I think there's two sides to
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: the coin with coaching mindset. One they don't mess with
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: question marks. I was around two coaches in Pat Hill
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: at Fresno State and then Andy, who were very let's
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: say liberal when it came to how they view problems. Yeah,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: we'll handle it now. At Fresne State, you didn't have
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: a choice. It was the way you could get talented
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: players from these other top programs, like we don't want
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: to deal with it past, Like I'll deal with it.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: And coach Reid is very open minded, you know when
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: it comes to what type players is he like good ones.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: You know, he would have liked Ruben Bain, he would
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: have liked Jeremiah Love, he would have liked r Vel Reese,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: he would have liked Delaye. He fucking likes you can play,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: like what's his prototype? Guys who kick ass and take
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: names where if you got with Shanahan. He likes you
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: on the straight and he's got a little Belichick to him,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: like I need you to be smart, I need to
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: be double to do this now. Obviously, coaches want you
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: to be able to understand the playbook, but some guys
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: look at his talent. I'll make it work. Clearly, Robert
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: Sala is telling his GM like, I like that, let
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: me work with him. There would be a ton of
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: coaches in the NFL that would not do that. They
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: don't even want that project on their hands. And I
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: think maybe Robert sala even though Kyle he's most associated
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: with Kyle, I do think it's fair to say he
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: looks at football players a little differently, and you kind
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: of have to on defense. It's different offense because it'd
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: be a great defensive lineman. You don't need to be
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: you know, Peyton Manning upstairs. When it comes to football,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: you just do you have the physical traits? Do you
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: try hard? I do think it can be very difficult.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: I have to do a little more research for my
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: scouting buddies on the on the true question marks of
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: this player. But like, it can be very difficult. It's
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: easier to tell a guy to slow down, take it
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: a little easy than it is to give him a
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: kick in the ass, because I would imagine most kicking
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: the ass guys consistently need the push, not like eventually
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: I need you to be a self starter. I need
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: you to handle business. But you're not gonna need to
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: worry about Fernando Mendoza or Carnel Taate or Jeremiah Love,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: you know, or the Ohio State guy like Caleb Downs.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: You think Brian Schottenneimer's gonna have to be on Caleb
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: Downs about study habits, about being early to workouts, about
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: being prepared for practice. They ain't an issue. But in fairness,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of guys you do need to be on.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: And I've said this forever about followers. Most of us
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: are followers. The majority of people are not like natural
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: born follow me to freedom. Most people aren't comfortable, you know,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: even if they had the capabilities of being Steve jobs Right,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: of being Roger Goodell, of being pat Riley. Some people
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: are kind of born or I don't know if you're
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: born with the leadership characteristics, but as you're a young person,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: they are kind of ingrained in you and you start
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: feeling comfortable in that seat and that's the seat that
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: you desire, that you like being at the head of
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: the table. Like clearly you watch McVeigh, he's pretty natural
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: in front of the room. The Hardbob brothers were fucking
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: born for it. Their dad was also a coach, so
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: from a very very young age before they ever played
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: high level football, Jim I in the NFL, John in college,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: they saw it every day at five years old, at
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: eight years old, at ten years old, at twelve years old,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: they just were round coaches. They saw leadership. Some people
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: just aren't that comfortable. I was. I think one of
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: the greatest songs ever played live is the Eagles Take
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: It to the Limit. You can YouTube it on the
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seven It comes right up and if you
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: watch the Eagles documentary, Like when you think of the Eagles,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: for those of you people that love music, you'd say
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: their two most you know, famous lead men would be
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: Glenn Fry and Don Henley, Like when you just think
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: of the Eagles, like those are the prominent members, and
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: then I would say Joe Walsh is behind them. Take
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: It the Limit is sung by the dude play playing bass,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: Randy Meisner, who I would imagine The Eagles are one
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: of the rare bands. Big bands, small bands, great bands,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: successful bands. I'm just talking musicians historically were every member
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: of their band in their prime, could be the lead
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: singer on a hit song and when you heard that song,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: it could be one of the be considered one of
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: the great songs of all time of its era. Pretty rare.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: It's like I watched the writ Hout Chili Pepper's documentary
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: is Flee the lead singer in a lot of songs,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: like you watched Nirvana, it's pretty rare. Their drummer turned
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: out to be David Grohl. Now he wasn't singing in
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: that band, but if they would have needed to, and
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: if you would have been like this is groll song
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: probably been pretty sweet and who knows, maybe lack the confidence.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: But to tie this all together, one thing in that
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: Eagles documentary, Joe Wall said about Randy Meiser, because you
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: could argue that take it to the limit, that live performance,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: It's got to be one of their best songs. For me,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: it's my favorite Eagle song. And Joe Walsh used to
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: say because his personality got kicked out of the band,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: Glenn Fry and Don Henley they could kind of be
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: they were alphas. They were like Tom Brady or Peyton Manning.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Some people thought they were assholes, but like they owned it.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: And Randy could be just, I don't want to say
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: a pushover, but clearly he wasn't an assertive individual. He
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: just kind of wanted to shape in. And Joe Walsh
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: used to say and set it in the documentary he
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: never knew how talented he was because you watched that song,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: you go, is this the most talented member of the
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: fucking band? And I just think that's what complicates all
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: this stuff when it comes to talent, right, part of
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: being really talented in the Eagles are an example of
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: all these guys had. Just when it comes to musical talent,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: they all could have been All pros if it was football,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: they all could have been All Stars if it was basketball,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: And musically you'd argue they were all Hall of famers,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: but some of them are remembered a little bit more
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: because they were comfortable in the moment. And part of
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: being a really good football player is for most guys,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: like you watch Micah Parsons play football, there have been
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: guys with his physical characteristics throughout NFL history that you
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: do not remember, probably didn't play that hard. When you
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: watch Micah Parsons play, like, goddamn, this guy's fucking playing hard.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: When you watch Max Player, Aaron Donald player, like, these
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: guys just play their ass off. And a huge part
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: of football on the defensive line is effort. And it's
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: hard to be in great shape when you're bigger. So
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: part of being two hundred and seventy two and eighty
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: two hundred ninety three hundred Dexter Lawrence th undred fifty pounds,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: you kind of have to go above and beyond because
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: your wind is going to go faster than Jamar Chase's.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: It just is. It takes a lot to get Jamar
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: Chase or Justin Jefferson or Ceede Lamp for those guys
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: to be winded in the middle of the season. For
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: a big guy, you give me a hard series, I'm
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: sucking win. I'm carrying that guy weighs on hundred pound.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: I weigh thre hundred and forty pounds. I'm caring. I'm
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: carrying an extra human being. Makes football fun. I've seen
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: you go over the Cowboys Eagles, Steelers situation with Mikayle
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: Lemon at the draft. My question is, why would Jerry
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: Person purposely block the Steelers from taking Lemon by telling
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: the Eagles to trade up for him instead wouldn't he
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: rather him go outside the division? I know the quote
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: regarding al Davis bonus, what the f are the Ravens
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: waiting for? Regarding the Lamar extension, I don't think it
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: was specifically about mackayle Lemon. I think if you watch
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: that the clip on the ESPN documentary is they knew
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: they could get their guy. And this is a huge
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: part of the draft is if you could get the
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: same thing for one hundred dollars, why would you pay
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: four hundred dollars right if you knew you could get
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: it for one hundred dollars. If I told you, hey,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: you like golf, I'll sell you my club right now
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: for one thousand dollars. I'll give you the greatest driver
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: you're ever gonna hit for one thousand dollars. But if
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: someone told you can get that same driver if you
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: just gotta wait a couple days at this other store
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: for half the price, you would just wait a couple
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: of days for half the price. So Jerry knows that
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: Lawrence is gonna be there when he trades back a
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: couple of picks, and he can accumulate more picks because
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: part of the draft is just taking swings, and the
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: more swings you take, the more likely you're gonna hit.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: So I think it was less about like, clearly they
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: don't view Mikayle Lemon as Jerry Rice. You know you're
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: not gonna lose sleep over mackay Lemon, but really your
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: focus on yourself. How can we add Lawrence and add picks?
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: And if that's the only dance partner we can get,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: they got two fourth round picks out of it, it
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: was worth it to them. Now we'll see how it
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: all plays out. Did the Cowboys even use those or
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: they use them to trade, I'd have to go. Look.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: I just think that they need a lot of help,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: and the Eagles were down to dance. I don't think
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: they cared that much about the Steelers. They use their
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: inside information on Lemon to just acquire more picks, and
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: I think going into the draft, I kind of agree
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: with that. Now. I wouldn't trade if I was the
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: number one overall pick and I was the Cowboys and
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: I had Dak Prescot. Let's just say last year he
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: had broke his leg and the Cowboys are the worst
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: season of all time, they had the number one overall pick.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: It's like we got Dak coming back off the broken leg.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: We're not going to draft a quarterback. We're taking bids
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: on the quarterback, right. You would not if you liked
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: that quarterback. But you're like, we don't need them. We're
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: gonna trade this for a haul. You wouldn't trade that
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: inside your division. I think when it comes to the
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: twentieth pick in the draft, and it could come back
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: to Burnham, that there could be a game this year
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: where Lemon scores two touchdowns against them and the Eagles
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: beat them thirty one to twenty seven, scores a game
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  Speaker 1: winner in the corner of the end zone in Dallas.
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  Speaker 1: That easily could happen. I think they're hoping maybe Caleb
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: downs and and Lawrence, you know, pickoff Jalen Hurts and
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: sack them, you know. So, I think it's more about
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: that last few years. But as a former scout, can
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: you explain why they exist? I get that sounds like
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: a dumb question, but in your last few pods, you've
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: said over and over we have no bleeping clue how
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: a player will turn out in the NFL, and the
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: owners will frequently step in and decide who to draft,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: which brings me to my question, why not just take
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  Speaker 1: the best player available for the position most needed on
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  Speaker 1: the team every pick. I saw Brandon Bean say this
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: the other day is he tells his scouts you're a detective.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: That's seventy five eighty percent of your job. So when
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: you're in these meetings and in the drafts room, a
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: huge part of your job is to get to know
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: the person. Because even if you don't draft the guy,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: you know. Kyle Shanahan said this the other day. He said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the shitty part about the draft is you
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: fall in love with guys you realize you're never going
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: to get him, or you know the draft doesn't break
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: that way, and you don't acquire them. What if you
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: acquire them a couple of years later. The reason you
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: evaluate every guy on the draft board is because even
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: if you don't draft, that guy won a couple of years.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: The Niners are a good example. They traded a third
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: round pick for Osa Digazoue from the Cowboys, who I
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: would imagine they love coming out of the draft. The
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: Eagles just trade for Wicks from the Packers. What are
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: the chances they liked him coming out of the draft.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know one hundred freaking percent. Well, you have
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: a lot of players that you like that go get
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  Speaker 1: drafted by other teams. Gets what happened to a large
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: percentage of those guys, they become available the trade, they
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: get cut, they become free agents. So huge part of
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: your job as the scout is if you're gonna be
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: playing these guys millions of dollars, I need to know
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: everything about them as a human being. We'll evaluate the player,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: we'll figure that out, and then once they get to
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: the NFL, whether they're on our team or not, we'll
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: figure out if they can play or not. Hey, I
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: can't do that. That's that's why. And I think there
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: are so many examples of forcing a need. We need
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: an offensive lineman, we take an offensive lineman, but the
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: offensive lineman wasn't good enough. Well, if you just take
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: the best player, it's it's gonna be hard to screw up,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: you know. Should the Miami Dolphins have just taken Caleb
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: Downs or Ruben Bay like the pretty risky for them
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  Speaker 1: to take the big offensive lineman out of Alabama. Yeah,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: that's the knock on the on the Rams, It's like
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: they've got a big picture with the quarterback should they
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: have just taken the best player? Did they kind of
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: overthink the room on that one. Time will tell, But
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: I think a huge part of the job is to
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: talk to people in the program because your boots on
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: the ground, guys going into this couls the information they
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: get is pretty invaluable. I think John schnyder and Mike
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: McDonald are elite GM head coach combo. But your friend
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: Haberman his take on Seattle made me feel better. Is
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: it realistic for the Seahawks to be a perennial Super
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: Bowl contender as a team with a defensive head coach
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: and a non elite quarterback. It's a good question. I
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: think their coach is so good and he's proven since
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: he was a defensive coordinator, it's pretty special. Right. If
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: he was an offensive coordinator, we would talk about him
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: like McVeigh or Kyle. He's the cream of the crown.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: So he's elite at his job. And a quarterback's pretty good.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: So if Sam Darnold just plays like he's been playing,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: I mean two years ago he threw thirty five touchdowns
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: and won fourteen games. And I was thinking about this today.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: I wonder how much the struggles in those final two
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: games against the Lions and the Rams benefited him this year.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: The kind of the metal callouses in the confidence he had,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: like I struggled, I know what it looks like. We
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: can battle through it. In the one game where he
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: threw all the picks and I think they still won
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: or they almost won. Yeah, I think Seattle's gonna be fine.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: They have an elite GM and elite coach. Quarterback's pretty good.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: I would take that trio. You tell me you get
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: elite GM, an elite coach, and a solid quarterback with
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: big time trades and he's a great guy. I would
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: take that. Could you provide some insight on Alec Hallaby
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: and how crucial he was the Eagles, wondering if you
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: could share some stories or interactions with him. Rapp and
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: Shifty made it seem like a big deal. I actually
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: texted him the other day. It looks like the rumors
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: that he might go into find nance, he's he went
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: to Harvard. The guy's a genius. When I first got
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: hired by the Eagles, his computer screen, I can't even
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: describe you what it looked like because it was just
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: stuff you see in movies that like coders are doing.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: I'm like, is this guy on a different planet than me?
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: And he was, because he's he's brilliant, he's really really smart,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: and he's you know, he's been there obviously. You know,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: I left in thirteen or fourteen, and I texted him,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: I said, there aren't many guys who could be at
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: a place for sixteen seventeen years and win multiple Super
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: Bowls in one place. I think he was on the
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: forefront of the analytics, and when I say analytics, just
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: the models to help predict players. I don't know how
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: his role expanded over the course of the last ten years.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: He clearly he was always you know, part of when
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: I was there, Howie's door, the department wasn't that big,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: so it's like Alec, me, a couple other scouts, pro guy.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: You know, everyone was kind of all together with the coaches.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: I think their staff has gotten dramatically bigger. But when
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: I was there, he was always with Howie, always had
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: different models and studies. Again, the guy, I mean, I
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: think he's made a lot of money with Philly, but
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: if he out of Harvard had just gone to work
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: for Goldman Sachs or you know, Jamie Diamond, he'd be
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: running like a hedge fund and it'd probably end up
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: doing something like that or start like the next Facebook.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: I just remember looking at his computer thinking, what is this?
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: Like what is happening? There? Is this what Zuckerberg and
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: the two water polo twins were doing in their basement,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: Like who creates these? Like the type people the government
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: would have to just create programs that a tiny, tiny
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: percentage of the most intelligent people could even come close
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: to creating. He was just he was very good with
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: They're just not many NFL. You know, the scouting community
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: doesn't Most people don't have Harvard backgrounds. And it's not
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: even just went to Harvard. It was like, this guy
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: is intellectually on a different level. And I would imagine,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know the details of you know,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: him and Howie over the last ten years, like his
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: specific role on a daily basis, but it was clear
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: when he was there, like he was he was a
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: pretty prominent figure and that was a long time ago.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: So how he's really good at just I think it's
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: because he's so entrenched. Yeah, he's never afraid like former
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: gms hiring your best analytic guys, hiring some up and
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: coming guy from the office. They will just always hire
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: guys who have accomplished a lot, so I'm sure maybe
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: they knew this was coming. I don't know all the details,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: but how Will be smart as shit when on this.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: If you were an owner and ran an NFL franchise,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: would you rather have? Who would you rather have as
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: your coach? GM Combo, Lynch and Kyle or Howie and Sirianni? Well,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: the number one draft picks in this are obviously Kyle
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: and Howie. And I was thinking about this because I
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: saw the question earlier. You know what's funny is like,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: I don't think Kyle could work with a Howie, and
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: I don't think how he would enjoy working with a Kyle.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: Kyle's like a way way better Chip Kelly, but it's
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: like kind of his way of the highway. And Howie's
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: greatest attribute is like let me cook, I will give
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: you incredible ingredients. You just basically throw the shit in
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: the microwave, you know. And I don't think either one
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: could work together. I don't think it would work. I
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: think how we could figure out how to work with
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: a guy like Kyle. I don't think Kyle could work
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: without it, because how would be like, what, we don't
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: need to do that in Freer. You know Kyle's big
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: thing is in free we gotta have this guy. We
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: gotta have this guy. Or in the draft we gotta
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: have this guy. We gotta have this guy. That's not
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: how gms think. You're always ready to pivot the value
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: doesn't work. And that's why I think how he's had
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of success with two guys that you know,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: Doug's a great guy and probably pretty average coach by
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: all accounts, Sirianni. Everyone likes him. I know whenever I'm
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: at the combine and see like Dom loves him. Dom's
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: got a pretty good judge character. So I'm hard on Syriann.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: I think as a coach, by all accounts, people really
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: like the guy. Scouting buddies that work there love him.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: But I don't think he's viewed as like some dynamic
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: head coach. But I think how he's actually like, you're
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: in a great Doug was in a great position and
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: now Nick's in a great position to have this guy
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: doing that. It's why when Lynch gets crushed guys, Now,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know if Lynch would have the capability of
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: wheeling and dealing in the draft like Howie. But I
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: don't think it's really allowed because Kyle's like, I want
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: this guy now, which he's a good enough coach that
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: he can overcome that. But the Eagles would never neither
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: franchise would operate like the either. So if you told
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: me the two most important people in this like I
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: could replace Sirianni and I can replace Lynch, it's I
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: think your question boils down to would you rather have
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: Howie Roseman or Kyle Shanahan. And I think the coach
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: just has so much more of an impact, right if Howie,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: which he has before, if you miss on some picks,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: there's only so much he can do in the middle
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: of the season. He doesn't call the plays, he's not
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: coaching them up in practice, running these meetings, you can
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: only cut so many guys, right. If the coach wanted
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: a guy and you didn't, you're kind of stuck with
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: the contract. I think the coach is just a more
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: powerful tool year round in the NFL. Like you, you
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: would rather have a top five coach than a top
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: five GM. But I think like Howie and John Schneider
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: have proven that they are so good at their job
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: that if if you do give like look at John Sandery,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: you hired Mike mc Mike McDonald, they won the fucking
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Sam Darnold, how he won the Super Bowl
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: with Nick Sirianni. So I would probably lean Kyle, and
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: I think there are similarities, like you know, how he
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: is not how he's intense. You know, it's not like
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: how he's just like feed up on his desk like
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: smile and all. It like it's a lot like Kyle,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: Like it's an intense environment in there. I just think
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: once training camp starts, I think he'd be the first
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: to tell you a lot's out of his hands, Like
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: the majority of his work has really happened the last
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: couple of months, combine to free agency to the draft.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: Now they'll do cut downs. Guys will get cut. You
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: can make a trade or two in season, and how
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: he will make several, But what trades you're gonna make.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: It's not like it's like he can't trade. Obviously a J.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: Brown will get traded, but in season he can't just
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: like wait, just uh, you know, we just need Miles Garrett.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like it's not even possible most times.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: So you send up like Jalen Phillips for a third
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: round because that's usually the best option you have. So
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: I think the question is would you rather have a
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: top coach or a top GM? And if I was
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: an owner, I think you just lean with the top coach,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: and that might not be right. You know, maybe you
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: should lead with the top GM because if the top
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: GM can then just land a top coach and not
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: even the top you know, the number one overall coach,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: but if you just give him, a good coach could
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: win every year. It's a great question. The volume